Bambu Lab P1P - Your questions answered!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- Bambu Lab had a good launch with their revolutionary X1 3D printer, and now they are launching a cheaper model, the P1P. Is it worth your time and money? To help address this, I asked the community what they wanted to know and structured this video to provide answers.
This printer has not been perfect but it has been very good. When I tested the X1, there were bugs I encountered in the firmware. As far as I am aware they were fixed for launch, so I hope the same happens here.
This printer was provided free of charge by Bambu Lab for me to test, without any expectation of me making a video. Even so, they agreed to my review policy. All opinions expressed are my own. teachingtechyt.github.io/revi...
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0:00 Introduction
0:41 What is the Bambu Lab P1P?
My Bambu Lab X1 Carbon test: • Bambu Lab X1 transpare...
Bambu Lab X1 (Carbon) store page: us.store.bambulab.com/product...
Bambu Lab P1 store page: us.store.bambulab.com/product...
Bambu Lab P1 landing page: bambulab.com/en/p1
Welcome P1P blog post: blog.bambulab.com/welcome-p1p/
1:25 How do the X1 and P1P compare?
3:44 Is the missing Lidar important and can it be added later?
5:04 How easy is this for beginners?
6:30 How is the print quality?
3DBenchy: www.3dbenchy.com/
T-Rex puzzle: www.thingiverse.com/thing:538...
Flowalistik’s chain mail: www.printables.com/model/286-...
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Flowalistik’s dual extrusion low poly Squirtle: www.thingiverse.com/thing:183...
Articulated axolotl by AKinferno:www.thingiverse.com/thing:538...
10:34 Why is this printer so fast?
CoreXY explained video: • CoreXY explained: Comp...
11:35 Can this printer be upgraded?
14:15 Is this printer reliable? What about spares?
Bambu Lab spares: us.store.bambulab.com/collect...
15:37 Why makes this 3D printer stand out from the competition?
Prusa MK3S+: www.prusa3d.com/product/origi...
Prusa 3D GitHub: github.com/prusa3d
Bambu Lab GitHub: github.com/bambulab
17:25 Conclusion
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There were questions on the speed of the printer when comparing the pre-sliced 3Dbenchy vs Bambu Studio slicer defaults. With a few changes you can match the 20 minutes of the SD card print: th-cam.com/video/5-yBVe3-VFo/w-d-xo.html
Just wanted to say thanks for some great video.. as a newbie to 3D printing, I was wondering if you happen to have reviews on the Geeetech* A30 T with 3D Touch and three filament hotend?
I must update this, i found Prusa is not Geeetech.. lol..and i had the models and printers mixed up..
Small correction: 11:51 "we can however add the X1s camera" - that is *not* the case. The P1Ps camera is lower resolution and much lower framerate, and the camera on offer in the store is "X1 series exclusive". I guess it has to do with the different display processors in the machines?
I'm really glad this printer exists. Prusa needs serious competition. They've been rather stagnant with their innovation.
the prusa xl looks amazing but $$$ and they can't seem to get it shipped. They built up hype but couldn't deliver and by the time they can a newer better printer will be out, and likely for less money
@@digitalpilgrim that price point is extremely steep for the prusa XL
@@digitalpilgrim It's been 2 years and still no one has one in hand. If it wasn't at Formnext 2022 I would have thought it vaporware. Of course its blazing printing speed of 50mm/s left a lot to be desired.
@@No0o0o0o0o0 but unlike the garbage bambu makes a prusa will work in 10 years
Even on prusa's website they recommend maintenance every 800 hours of printing. If you don't maintain your product it's going to fail.
You know how many advancements in 3D printing happen in 10 years?
Are you implying that if I put a prusa together today print once. Then print 10 years later it would print perfectly? Lol
I bought a P1P based on your videos and one or 2 others and it is amazing. I am a gen X 1966, so i have seen the rise of a lot of new tec. introduction of personal PCs and cell phones all the game consoles and so so many printers. The P1P was easier for me to pull out of the box and go to work than any laser or ink jet printer I have ever owned. Incredibly simple, best purchase for me in years. This printer is going to cause some competition in the field which is great for us all.
I bought this printer a week ago. I am really amazed by this printer. No hassle with leveling or prints getting stuck to the printbed. The quality is overal very good. It got shipped with the Led light and the camera ( 720 P ). The slicer works great for me. My opinion, the best printer i've ever had.
I feel as though I've just stepped out of a Model A Ford and into a Ferrari having just replaced my Ender 3 V2 with a P1P. It is totally sublime. I've not had any warping when printing with ABS and the surface finish even at the warp speeds of the P1P is impressive. It has transformed my 3D printing experience. It's no longer a case of spending time getting the drawing right and then spending hours tweaking the parameters in the slicer to make the printer perform. It works. Every time! I did have to make some mods though - the filament spool now hangs off the left side, and the LCD display can be made to rotate so I can view it from below since it is on a shelf 59" off the floor. And mine came with camera and light bar all for $654 in the UK.
Didnt want the P1P due to unnecessary removal of the cover panels but it did open my eye to Bambu lab. Just purchased the P1S!
i have been going back and forth with the x1 and the P1P. i started on the ender 3 v2 but having to fiddle with it almost everyday it becomes a pain. i use my 3d printer for printing parts and odds and ends for truck/car interiors and im not huge into modding my printer. 3D printing for me is less of a hobby and more of a problem solver when you cant get things to repair or replace odd parts so bambo labs making it more of a tool is great. For me and my use case it's perfect and what im looking for.
which one did you get in the end?
I'm already saving up for this! I've been stuck with an old FlashForge Finder printer I got many, many years ago, so the P1P should be a *massive* upgrade from my current setup. I'm not necessarily a "newbie", but definitely not a professional user either, although I hope that by having a good printer to use in the first place, I'll actually be inclined to try prints that aren't the basic stuff I can barely print currently.
Thanks for the video by the way, It's great to have this much info in a more easily viewable context!
Great comparison. I'm really considering the Bambu Lab P1P for my second printer.
Thanks for this very informative look at the P1P Michael. I did order on on Black Friday.. I said I wouldn't, but I just couldn't resist. Catch you next time on one of Jerry's streams.
Ordered mine one day 1 of the launch. Really looking forward to it. Will upgrade closer to an X1 over time
Update: printer didn’t have good print quality, sent it back for a refund
Such a great channel. Thanks for sharing your insights.
Just wanted to say thank you for your time and knowledge. You have helped steer me in the right directions when it comes to not only products, but also in the printing process. Keep up the great work and happy printing.
I have the X!CC and love it, I also ordered the P!P on launch day, looking forward to the customization fun the P!P has to offer
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@@weeeds334 lol
This is an extremely clear and easy to understand description of this unit. I had ordered a Prusa Mini just the other day and cancelled this morning. Nothing against Prusa at all, but this is so much more printer for the money and it brings so many advancements that it is difficult to ignore. The only question is "Which model?" The P1P seems to be a terrific starting point with less potential for expenditure regret if/when the X2 Carbon is released. The X1 Carbon has quite a bit more going for it, but by several accounts here on TH-cam, it also has some first iteration issues that would likely be addressed in an X2. $1500 is a lot harder to write off than $700 when that 2nd iteration of the X1 becomes available.
The optional airtight and moisture proof material feeder has great value. Filament is costly, and when stale it causes print problems. The cost of the feeder would likely be made up in convenience, ability to innovate, and saved filament.
Again, though, I really appreciate this particular description of the P1P. It is so very helpful.
Fantastic review, Michael! Thanks! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I've been considering the P1P. Thank you for this video. I already have a prusa mk3s. The draw of bambu for me has been the enclosure allowing for high temp filaments, the speed, and the multi filament. This p1p doesn't tick enough boxes for me to justify the purchase. If bambu made a large volume, enclosed, idex printer with the same speed and precision as their x1 for around 1500 us, I would be very interested
I have already pre-ordered. All of the reviews I have seen have been positive. I am looking forward to its delivery.
I have had more than 20 printers in my workshop, right now about 10, anycubic, artillery, ender, mingda, etc. In the end they are all the same, cheap printers with constant failures and repairs every week, in the last year I have had to repair my artillery about 15 times.
I am determined to sell all my machines and buy 2-3 X1C, the future of 3D printing is now, not 10 years ago with slow cartesian printers.
Very interested in this machine and I'm on the verge of getting something new. I'm planning on doing a lot of Lost PLA casting and the ability to make parts quickly is paramount.
An off the shelf fast 3D printer was exactly what my school was looking for since we can only print during school hours (no overnight printing) and government purchasing will never allow kits like the voron/ratrig.
Exactly, this is something a lot of people overlook. Hopefully schools will start buying the Bambulab printers instead of wasting money on outdated Ultimakers
@@eyeborg3148 bro we have 3 zortrax m200's and one m300, theyre so shit
Its color printing is by far the most important feature for me. Up to 16 colours is incredible!
It each costs around 320 euros. You could buy another x1 carbon for 4 of them. But it is amazing indeed
Great, informative video as always. I plan on getting this printer. In fact one of the main motivators is I have the opportunity to use the X1c in the classroom at the school I teach at. The X1c surpassed my expectations. My second motivator was receiving a faulty unit of the Ender 5 s1 from Creality on its recent launch. When I talked to them about the issues they simply told me to not use the ABL feature until its firmware was fixed sometime in the future...
Companies like Prusa and Bambu Lab are really benefitting from the poor QC of cheaper printers. They served the purpose of getting a lot of people into the market but now those people want to upgrade to something that just works. Glad to hear you are happy with your X1C.
@@TeachingTech 100% agree with you that they were and are still a great way to get into 3d printers at a low price point. However, this is a vital component of the market that has been passed over consistently of a plug and play solution. Now, the benefit to first having an ender 5 pro to start was great for learning, bed leveling, slicer settings, maintenance and diagnostics, so I am still glad I spent the last year with my ender 5 pro, before the ender 5 s1 fiasco.
Nice Explanation 👍
It's time for me to step up from my Sidewinder X1 (which prints well but is terribly unreliable) and I'm committed to going corexy. I was headed down the Rat Rig path, but the value prop here is pretty incredible. I thought I would like tinkering with a 3D printer, but after the Sidewinder, "it just works" is music to my ears.
I know what you mean. My first 3D printer was a Sidewinder X1. It seemed to break down after every three or four prints. I spent almost $200 on replacement parts. It almost drove me away from the hobby.
Yeah I own three sidewinder x1s and looking at the p1p for a more reliable printer for everyday printing
I also understand. My first printer was a Tevo Tornado, and I thought that I would eventually mod it, but the truth is that I enjoy building stuff more than dicking around with a crappy machine, so I've always leaned more towards turn-key styled machines ever since.
Man so true. I simply cannot get a consistent result with my ender 3 s1. I am beyond frustrated and am ready for something that just works out of the box.
@@fuloran1 Just bought an Ender 3 S1 Plus one week ago. Being here tells you I am less than impressed with it. Going back to Prusa for reliability (MK4) or this P1P. One thing I know.....I will never buy another machine that supports the print surface off of a narrow rail and rubber rollers.😤
You are the first reviewer that I’ve seen didn’t give it a bad review or have major issues with either p1p or x1. Most are plagued with artifacts, hardware failures, loud fans, failing fans, failed prints, false positive print failure detections or limited software control over prints. I was hoping this printer was going to go the extra mile. But, the bad reviews are outweighing the good so far. I’ll give it more time to see how things shake out. Thanks for your review on this product.
Re: add-on extension board:
Like the blog says, connected to Bambu Bus and controlled via G-code. Supports Color LEDS, additional steppers and servos, additional fans, and DSLR shutter controller. Images of the system clearly show connections for COM/NO, Stepper Motor, LED0, LED1, Fan0, Fan1, [Bambu Bus, Fan2, Fan3, Servo Motor 0-1, Shutter, Ext-Power & GPIO.
I built a VzBoT330 which a great, fast printer. The Bambu Labs is a pretty compelling solution for the price and fully assembled. I hope they eventually offer larger models. For now I am deferring any new printer builds/purchases as long as I can.
Based on their blog post, I expect bigger models and things like IDEX are in the pipeline.
Wow! At this price point it is a very interesting printer. Some of Bambu Lab's competition must realize that they have been sleeping. I think this printer is serious value for money. In particular compared to a Prusa MK3s. Bambu shows that 3d printers can be an appliance. Nice!
Very impressive - I'll consider them after they have a year under their belt with it being so proprietary. It's great to have more innovation in the space.
I appreciate your attitude that the printer must first prove itself in the field. In my opinion, it is really overhyped right now. But to be honest, where is the innovation in it, except to steal the achievements of other manufacturers and the community together and pack them into a new product?
@@tmartin9482 as with anything in this world no one can predict the future. But I'm coming close to 2000 principal hours and the X1 Carbon is awesome. Prints come out fast and accurate.
One printer has replaced three bed slingers.
@@No0o0o0o0o0 You misunderstand me. I'm not saying that the printer is bad or that I don't want to give it a chance, on the contrary. What I mean is that if it turns out to be good, then love it for what it is: a printer that incorporates optimized existing technologies and that was optimized in quality to price ratio so that it fills a gap between the low and high consumer segments. But don't love it for what it isn't: innovative.
With the X1 (carbon), you could argue with the Lidar, but the video is about the P1P and it really doesn't have anything that hasn't been done before in another 3D printer.
@@tmartin9482 I think of it more like apple(shudder). They dont have to be the first or innovative as we know it. They obviously used existing tech and came out with a very capable printer without needing to know much about 3d printing.
At this price they are coming at prusa mk3 line. with a fully built but $100 cheaper alternative. As you said a nice middle ground between the low and high end.
There are less expensive options but the speed/accuracy and ease of use what they aimed and succeeded in. Anyone who starts with a bambulab printer p1p immediately gets the iterative benefits of input shaping, auto leveling and voron like speeds in a corexy. I guess the industry has been sitting on it's hands for so long it looks like innovation.
Can you imagine using an auto bed leveling system and still have use a piece of paper to set z off set?
Or printing from slicer to printer with no memory cards, no need to for temp towers, crazy tweaks or from unboxing to printing in 20 min.
I think at his point the tech gets out of the way and allows "making" (shudder) to happen.
I bought an Creality Ender 6 last week, it being my first 3d printet. Definitely going to pick up a p1p when I get more experience. I live with the longer print times for now haha, but definetly wish I had run accross this first haha.
Looking forward to them releasing the cad files or equivalent for the panels. Going to fully enclose mine as soon as possible.
I believe they will be released this week. I'm looking forward to seeing what the community designs.
i bought mine 2 weeks ago. if you consider buying it, it now comes with the camera and light already fitted out of the box. :)
After a few months hammering out the print I am finding I am loosing fine detail on the z axis components. Not quite sure why just yet. Was fine up until recently. Thanks for all the hard work Michael.
I have been using the double sided pei in my x1c and it has been perfect so far
Hey, does lidar work fine then on your x1c then? Did you order pei with the printer?
definitely going to be getting this as my next printer. I currently have a ender 3s1 with a sonic pad and while I love it and it performs great most of the time. it's a bit unreliable for me. I understand there are people who love to tinker with their printer but I don't have time for all that I just want something that's going to work and not have to mess with levleing the bed once a week or some other weird problem it develops out the blue.
Great video as always, I have the X1C and love it. Not sure if P1P is for me though!
With a heavy heart, I just cancelled my Prusa MK4 upgrade and the Prusa XL order. I've waited long enough... In a way I'm glad, because during the long wait for the Prusa XL, the Bambu Lab and Creality K1 (and others) have come out with faster printers. While the MK4 looks good to me, the upgrade path at $579 doesn't make sense to me anymore. If I want an MK4, I'll buy the complete unit for a few hundred dollars more. However, faster XY core machines are the future. The MK4 feels like grandma in a mini skirt... Okay, it's faster, but has no contained environment unless you spend another $350. The build plate is still small. I hate to say it, but the newer printers are starting to look like slick appliances. More importantly, the surface quality is very good, if not better than my old MKS3. With cancelling the MK4 upgrade and the XL, I can get a Bambu Lab P1P today and save $$$ and have a bigger build plate volume! I'm also considering the Carbon X1, which makes more sense and is available.
After watching every review, I could find on the K1, has too many issues for me to gamble my time and $$$ on and Creality's reputation for putting out a rushed and confusing array of printer varieties is baffling. Let me guess the future for the next year... K1, K1 Max, K1 Super Max, K1 Ultimate Max, K1 Extreme Max, etc... etc... Each version will be a "better" iteration of the last...
I'll keep an eye out for the somewhat expensive Prusa XL, because I like the bigger print volume, maybe input shaping will be fully implemented by then, but let's see what else comes out in the next year from other printer companies. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for my Prusa MKS3. It was my 1st printer, and it still works like champ. But I'm sure the first owners of the Ford Model T said the same thing. It's time for me to step into the XY core world... where's my seatbelt?!
In for one P1P, can't wait!
Should note, Bambu has now not only decided to include the camera and light bar in all future P1P orders, they will come pre-installed AT NO ADDITIONAL COST.
Just adding this to anyone who's making the choice.
You son of a bitch. You just made me buy this thing. What color pla should i get for my first print?
@@TheeCapN i think it comes w a free kilo of white
well after 18months of upgrades on my ender3, ( glass bed - BL touch - microswiss DD - PI with octopirnt then to kilpper) I now trust my self with a quality 3d printer just went and per ordered 1 of these bad boys
I just ordered one. Very interested in the speed while maintaining high quality.
Definitely considering. My 3D printers are used for prototyping in my industrial design studio. There are sometimes months between phases of intensive use. My Creality machines simply require too much attention (to this day, I could not fix a 10°C temperature difference between what I measure on my CR-10S heater block and what the display is showing!). I need a basic and reliable machine that's fast an that "just works" - the P1P seems to fit that bill perfectly.
I just got mine... impressive machine and really good for beginner like me. Ok is not a super cheap solution but I really like it
Mines on its way to me 😊. I’ll tinker with my ender but I really wanted a just works printer. I was torn between this and the Ankermake m5.
I got my X1C yesterday and I have to say that it blows my mind on how fast it is, My DIY printer takes 8 hours the X1C takes 2 hours for the same model on standard speeds. and on top of all of that it was plug and play.
And it's not even full speed lol. 20k acceleration is nuts
They are great, if only they would make a 300x300 or larger one!
@@TheRobojay voron is still betteer
The double belt differential core X Y motion system seems like something that adds mechanical wear issues and allows more elastic vibration in the print head position due to the extra belt path length. They are compensating for it with advanced feedback techniques - but these belts still must suffer accelerated wear compared to the more common x y gantry design
I recently dusted off my Prusa MK2S and started printing and making a few things, and after seeing the P1P, I feel like it's what I'd go with as far an upgrade is concerned. I don't mind tinkering with printers, as my first one was a Monoprice Mini, and I've helped a bit with some classroom 3d Printers from them as well (their i3 style). But overall I'd like to avoid as much small fiddling to get things working. I had considered a Prusa Mini, but so much about the Bambu Labs just looks so amazing to me, and it feels like the proper upgrade path for someone like me.
I heard someone saying that they sliced a benchy and couldn't get anywhere close to the 21 minute advertised benchy. Try slicing your own benchy and see if you end up getting 21 minutes.
You can if you get it dialed in and use their own filament, if you use other filament it's not going to work, it's kinda proprietary you have to play with the settings A LOT if you want to print other filament from what I am hearing, now that Anker got caught stealing peoples videos and stuff this is the only reasonable option tbh, there is nothing that can compete with it...
@@revoltoff When did Anker get caught stealiung videos and stuff? I missed that news haha. Where can I read about that? Yes I agree, it is a complete package for $700
@@revoltoff it had nothing to do with the filament and theres no reason it would. What people were saying is that the bench was hand coded to be fast layer by layer. I haven't watched enough benchy vids to know tho.
Ask and you shall receive! th-cam.com/video/5-yBVe3-VFo/w-d-xo.html
9:27 benchy via ludicrous mode on the carbon
As an answer to your question if I would buy this over the X1. I think they could sell way more if it was an exact copy stripped down of the X1. For me, not being able to upgrade with the Lidar , is a big no go. This way you can never get to the level of tech that the X1 offers. It would be awesome if you could just purchase the P1P as the base and extend up till the X1 Carbon level..... For now I am gonna safe up some money and go with the X1. Thanks for your awesome reviews and videos. Greetings from the Netherlands
I have an X1CC from the Kickstarter, and it seems this has similar weaknesses. Firmware has bugs, random errors with a link that points to a Wiki that is unfinished. It is good while it works, but I'm not sure if this will quickly become an expensive doorstop if BL starts pushing printers at Creality's rate.
Would love to see your retraction settings for 95a/FilaFlex when/if you get them dialed in
Wish it supported LAN mode over WiFi.
Although is was advertised as supporting Bluetooth.
Amazing video, this is the Prusa killer for sure!
Love the vid mate. Do you think the P1P would be successful with ABS if it was enclosed ??
Great video as always 👍 can I ask did you produce the chain mail from the included pla or some of your own? Will you be doing a review on the multiple filament system soon? Thanks
I pre-order as soon as it went live. The price point was too good to pass on it, and the included camera and fan for 1st run batch was the cherry on top.
Yup. About the same price as a SK Go or similar CoreXY kit too.
I had the same mindset, the included bonuses are things people likely will end up buying anyways, may as well get it for free
Holy shit is *that* what the early bird bonus is? I just ordered mine because the price is already incredible, but if I got a free camera with this thing I'm double-sold
@@FJ_Beaujangles camera light and extra fan
This caught my eye. I wish one could order side panels separately though. I can only guess they bring the noise level down a little bit?
I received my P1P today, already printing parts. No fuss it just works. Had to apply two firmware updates before printing, but it didn't take long. I have more money tied up in an upgraded Ender 3 Pro than what this printer cost. Take off the cost of the included full roll of PLA and it's even a better bargain. Also, the upgraded Ender still doesn't print anywhere near as fast or provide the quality of finished parts. My ender has been a workhorse for me, but I can see it being put out to pasture. Creality does not have a machine that can touch this one.
I love my RatRig 3 for larger prints but still don't have all the bugs worked out of Klipper which absorbs so much time.
Some say it's not innovative, OK but the technology is out there for all manufacturers. Bambu Labs collected it, refined it into a printer that works at the get go without the need to apply a bunch of upgrades. When we want to tinker that's still available to us.
But guess which printer will be making the parts that go into the tinkering part of my hobby.
A reliable core XY for $100 cheaper the an MK3 says it all. My X1C has been amazing! Them coming out with the P1P is putting the reliability, speed and quality of the X1C at a more obtainable price for consumer.
Pre-ordered the P1P. I'm interested in it's speed and reliability for my baby print farm.
love my P1P .. hope that the release a P1P plus or max with a 350x350 bed :D or bigger
Someone mentioned this machine in my last MIA Blink you tube video, so I thought I see what this P1P is all about.
Still very expensive considering what I spent on making my own non-cconventional core XY which was designed also for speed and precision outside the typical
machine and outside the use of typical components and layout. I don't have an eclosure around the MIA Blink machine, but that can be added no problem. Not concerned about enclosures, in fact, enclosures tend to block better acces to the prints and make machine maintenance and repairs very difficult. I rather have a light weight efficient open architecture machine as stand alone and add an eclosure if desired.
This P1P reminds me of the early Colido filament enclosed spools, that were suppsed to keep the filament enclosed and clean, but it was overkill that it phased out and filament spools became as they are today open and simpler to use.
I am considering this very hard, after seeing videos on the x1 the only consideration that has me guessing between the two is DO i need lidar and do i want to print engineering materials. thanks for the video
Just ordered a p1p today
I've said this elsewhere, but since you've asked: I am considering a P1P for down the road. I have an X1C, no AMS, and I bought it because I wanted something that "just worked." The very reliable automated first layer appealed to me strongly, as did the hotend design with nozzle, throat, and heat break all as one part . (I've destroyed two different "M6" type hotends on my Ender-5 because I failed to get the nozzle properly butted against the heat break; and the way the bed slowly loses zero on the Ender-5 is also a major PITA.) Finally, I print a fair amount in ABS and the enclosure was a huge plus. (I'd been looking at the Prusa XL but that wasn't enclosed, was twice the price, and I didn't actually need the larger print area.)
Having gotten the X1C, it's everything I hoped for! And yet, it's also amazingly precise if you turn down the speed. I'm not chasing minutes on this machine, so I typically print at about half the default speeds, and I still find the printer finishes before I'm ready to print the next thing. With the Ender, I'd set stuff up to print, go to work, get home, and an hour later pull it off the bed to start an overnight print. With the X1C, the printer is impatiently waiting for me having finished halfway through my day. And I blew threw my backlog of "things I need to print" in about three weeks and was like "hunh, I'm not done CADing the next part!" So sometimes it waits for a day or two before I have the next thing designed! And this with a precision that I can FDM print a gaming mini on a 0.4mm nozzle and have it look as good as a late 90's cast metal figure.
So now I want to get a dedicated machine with a 0.2mm nozzle for printing very small things in PLA or PETG, and the P1P looks like a good choice for that. If a super-easy-to-use, super-accurate printer comes along in the next few months for that I'll definitely consider it, but right at the moment the P1P seems the best choice. It's bigger than I need, but it will fit on the shelf and it's the lowest cost option that hits all the boxes.
I'm seriously thinking of getting an X1C. I've two printers already, a geeetech i3 (that failed 1/4 prints and required a lot of work - I'm upgrading it to a 32 bit controler with ABS at the moment and a new 220x220 bed over the 190x190 glass bed) and an anycubic i3 mega that still works but there isnt any ABL and it drifts as the bed gets hotter/colder. I need a new printer, I've saved up a good bit the last year specifically for one. I'm looking for reliability and ease of use over anything else, I'd like colour changing too. I'm getting tired of failed prints, manually levelling the bed every week and poor quality out of anything other than PLA (and even that isn't great at times, especially when I need supports). Would you recommend the X1C?
@@collie147 My experience with the X1C has been quite positive overall. There was a little bit to learn about its quirks at the beginning and I'd have a close look at the settings in the slicer - I do a lot of things that need to be sanded smooth, and the defaults don't give one enough wall thickness for that. Also, the printer is much more accurate if you slow it down a bit.
The biggest drawback is the "cold plate" is a bit of a pain in the butt. You do need to do the gluestick thing or you'll start damaging the surface, but over time the glue builds up. In the past I'd run the plate under hot water to clean it off, but I've found the water gets in under the sticker and weakens the adhesive there. So now I'm trying out just using a damp cloth to clean it, which is more annoying but my hope is will extend the life of the sticker.
I haven't tried the official "Hot plate" or Textured PEI. I prefer a very smooth finish on the bottom layer for most prints, so the textured sheet isn't ideal for me, and the "hot plate" is another sticker so doesn't seem to offer much advantage over the "cold plate". I did get a smooth PEI sheet from Energetic on AliExpress, and after some initial problems that were solved with a *very* thorough cleaning, it works well for PLA using the "textured PEI sheet" settings in the slicer. One just has to remember to remove the lid. I've only just started trying ABS on that sheet, but it's not being super successful - I think the PEI is releasing too soon as it cools, and then the parts are warping. So I think I'm sticking with the annoying-but-works cold plate for ABS. (Keep in mind, I live in Edmonton AB, where it is currently winter. The printer is in a room that cools off to under 15C as an ambient, which is exacerbating my warping issues with ABS.)
The bed levelling is very reliable, so far - I haven't had to do a damn thing with it. When changing rolls, I do find that I need to push in the filament while running the extruder in order to get the motors to actually grab the plastic, but that's pretty minor. (I don't have an AMS, this is using an Eibos dryer as a spool holder, so I'm not getting a gravity assist.) Spaghetti detection isn't as good as one might hope, I've had the printer not notice a couple times - although at least one of those was my fault, printing black plastic on a black surface with the internal light turned off and then being surprised that the printer couldn't see a failure!
The one thing none of us knows is the long-term reliability, because no-one has had one long enough; and if Bambu Labs disappears for any reason, sourcing spare parts could be challenging. There's also a limited number of things the user can repair themselves. On the other hand, I haven't *needed* to repair anything and I've had it since September; my Ender-5 needs something repaired every month, it seems. ,
Also, if you want to use their cloud-based systems you have to remember that the Chinese government could look at all that data if they felt like it. You don't need to use the cloud though - I have my printer set to LAN only just because it saves bandwidth and I live in Canada so my internet is stupidly expensive.
The printer is not perfect, but it is *very* easy to use. It's so easy to use that I keep forgetting I should clean it up and lubricate things from time to time! If you're not comfortable with the risk of the company vanishing and the limited ability to do your own repairs, a Prusa is probably a better choice Otherwise, if you're looking to print ABS or hotter filaments, then yes, I'd recommend the X1C. If you're planning on sticking with PLA/PETG, then the P1P looks to be just as functional for those filaments, and a lot cheaper.
@@davydatwood3158 Excellent honest review. I've been lookin for some details on long term use alright, really appreciate that. I totally understand about the cool plate as it doesn't really appeal to me for most of my daily use cases. That bed from the P1P, if its compatible, would be worth it for the majority of my printers but I do intend on printing in carbon fibre nylon for some really strong pieces and neither of my current printers can do that.
@@collie147 You can get the textured PEI plate as a spare part from Bambu, and it was actually being sold before they announced the P1P. I just prefer a smooth build surface so I can have a very smooth bottom layer.
I've no experience with CF Nylon personally but the X1C is actually intended for that material as a primary; so if that's a goal then I'd think the X1C is worth a close look.
But the x1c comes with ams
I have an X1C and am really considering the P1P to add to the table. My Enders are constantly screwing up so I have plenty to tinker with, I just need 2 machines running non-stop
The x1 sells the dual PEI not sure where you hear that however there is a video on bamboo. I am showing them using it on the X one carbon?
Preordered one, will get rid of my enders now 😂
If you enclose the printer and print ABS/ASA is there anything in the printer that might be able to handle the heat?
Hey do you think you can make the Bambu lab AMS to work with other printers that use Klipper ? they sell it as standalone.
You should note, that prices on their website are all before taxes. Really annoyed me, when I went to the payment process and the price went up from 659€ to 798€...
With the Bambu Labs becoming so popular any chance of a tutorial on multimaterial designing in On Shape please?
Will definitely consider it, just need the right project to come up. The recent 4D printing video touched ion this a bit.
Been looking for a while to jump into 3D printing but haven't pulled the trigger yet. Would love to go for the X1 but the cost is just way more than I can justify. P1P is still impressive.
I think there are two kinds of people who are "looking to get into 3d printing." The first is the person who is interested in the machine itself. The idea of tweaking and modding and eventually building the printer is interesting and exciting. If that's you, these aren't the right machine for you. These are meant to be a COTS solution and the assumption is that the user will no more disassemble them than they would their refridgerator.
However, there is also the person who has ideas about designing objects on the computer and then turning those ideas into a physical object, but has no interest in building their own printer. They want a reliable and easy to use tool to build the things they imagine. If that's you, than the Bambu machines are a good choice. Not the only choice, Prusa is also a good choice, and there are a couple others billed as "it just works out of the box." But the various low cost printers often billed as "a good entry printer" are probably *not* what this type of person wants. They're good printers for learning how to troubleshoot and build a printer, because you have to do it a lot; but they're frustrating as heck if all you want is a machine that just works.
My advice, if you're like me and in the second category, is to save up until you can afford either this or a Prusa. You'll earn that money back in a couple months in saved frustration. Obviously free advice is worth what you paid for it, but those are my thoughts. :)
@@davydatwood3158 First thank you for putting the time into your reply. I'm kind of in the middle of the two camps. I'm a tinkerer but I'm also ... over ... 55 (man that stings). And to a point in my life where "just works" is bringing to appeal more and more. But the reality of what's in my wallet won't allow me to go for the bambu as much as I would like.
@@JohnMGibby I'm like you are in the middle.
I got an Ender 7 when that was new.
And I also have the P1P
The Ender is now in a storageroom gathering dust.
The P1P is now the only printer I'm using.
I just works.
I am considering for budget reasons however I may save up a bit longer and get the X1
Love my MK3S+. The Bambu printers look really nice. But I can't get past the cloud-based stuff. There's not really any reason that the Bambu printers should need to phone home just to work without having to carry an SD card back and forth. Hardware that has _any_ feature that depends on an Internet service, is hardware that one day will fail to work just because that service no longer exists.
For some things, where the functionality of the hardware is integral with the cloud service, that has to be an acceptable trade-off. But for a 3D printer? Sorry, no. Every single feature the printer has that is not _inherently_ a cloud-dependent feature, must not use the Internet and must not stop working when the Internet or the cloud service is unavailable.
thanks for the review!!
how is their customer service?
Looking to buy one but concerned about help if problems come up
I used the texture sheet and lidar since day one on my x1 no problems
Happy with my X1C, and just waiting for the hardened steel extruder to be available for the P1P. I’m kinda bummed the hot ends are not cross compatible between the two series, but seems to be due to improvements. Same will probably happen with the extruder. Also hoping a firmware update brings adds presets.. that’s going to be very annoying.
They use the same nozzle, simply order one for the x1 and swap it out 👌🏻
@@lilypower pointless when there is no hardened steel extruder yet. I print several abrasive spools per month so it will wear fast.
I am using a Prusa Mk3s and tried the MMU but had no success with it, so I detached the MMU.
I think abut a Bamboo machine for multi color printing, but the down side is, that the AMS doesn't seem to work with TPU or (more important to me) PVA. I am not sure if I want to spend the money.
If I could mix different types of filament in the AMS it would be hard for me to resist.
I'm having a hard time deciding if I should get the P1P with the AMS or the X1 non carbon. What are your thoughts?
did you print the riser for the AMS? If so can you point me to the location of the file? Great Video
Have you had a chance to try other filaments like ABS, Nylon, NylonX (carbon fiber) and others?
Just cant decide... P1P or go all out for the X1-Carbon? Im afraid that not having Lidar will bite me in the asparagus later
lidar works perfectly fine with the textured pei sheet
Thanks for confirming, I'm going to order another textured sheet.
I am just stating to consider a upgrade from my old Ender 3. On the shopping list are the Prusa MK4 and the P1P. The P1P is attractive as it is cheaper but is there any way to transfer prints on your LAN without the cloud? Does anyone know if you can mount the filament spool on a side vs. the back of the printer? the only space I have to put a printer makes getting to the back of the machine pretty tough. I have heard this is somewhat loud as well, not that my current printer is quite, but I believe the MK4 is a more silent design.
I bought the P1P because I have no plans to print anything harder than ABS, have less time than ever to tweak and tune and just want easy high quality prints, and because mine will be in a custom enclosure in my garage where sound will not be a factor.
It's the price. That price point for how good it is is insane
I am curious. How about Octoprint? Any reason to think it couldn't or shouldn't... be integrated with this slick printer?
Would solve the preheat button issue...lol
My main question is does spaghetti detection work with the camera? If it does then I wouldn't care about not having the lidar sensor
Will both of these print wood filament without destroying the extruder or hotend tip?
The auxiliary fan: What does it cool? When is needed? Is it a useful upgrade?
The aux fan comes on when the regular part cooling fans do. They work in tandem. When printing filament like PLA really fast, the more cooling the better. If this is you, the aux fan is a good upgrade. If not, the fans built into the toolhead will be sufficient.
Happy 3-D printing sounds like a holiday in Australia.🤣🤣🤣
Hey, ever since I added the extra cooling fan, all of my prints have been releasing from the print bed at the beginning of the print. Any suggestions other than removing the fan?
As a casual printer should I be looking at the p1p? Or perhaps the A1 that's coming soon?
I know this has been misreported by almost everyone and not clarified Bambu Lab themselves very well, but the Micro LiDAR *does not* do flow rate calibration. Bambu have confirmed this, just quite quietly...
It does Pressure Advance calibration only at this time.
Can you use Octoprint with this printer? Thanks
How many hours does your x1 have?
I teach STEM and particularly teach CAD to my middle and upper school classes. I am frustrated with my MakerBot Sketches and am in the market for a different dependable printer. I actually started using Flashforge slicer and told the slicer it was an Adventurer 3...in my opinion, it works better but still not dependable. MakerBot's Slicer is so basic and doesn't allow you to make too many changes. Also, I'm not a fan of the moving print beds for the Y axis. I have about a $2000 budget to spend on equipment each year for my school. Would you recommend the X1 Carbon with the multi-spool combo? or Two P1P's...or even another brand? Printing for so many students, I just need something that works. I barely have enough time between classes to check CAD models and make sure everything is set up right. I am interested in your thoughts on this. Thanks!!
I’m considering trying to sell my ender 3 v2 and put it towards one of these. I have, at times, enjoyed tinkering with it. But I am so insanely sick of it now, it just NEVER works, no matter what I do. I want to print, i enjoy designing things and improving them repeatedly. With my ender 3 (Which I’ve upgraded like mad) I still put exponentially more effort into just getting it to work than I do actually printing. Im tired of it, I want something that “just works.” Or at least works more often than it doesn’t.
I would love to get either one of these printers, I currently use Creality and Prusa but want to venture into a Core XY and these seem to fit the bill.. my only concern is can you use Octoprint with it? As I use that to manage all my printers.
I would think no to Octoprint. There is no USB port to plug in a pi that I can find for a start. They do have wireless monitoring and control through their slicer and app but if everything else you use is Octoprint this may not be desirable.