It's not an upgrade... It's a whole new ball game that others, including the God like Prusa, will have to play catch up and UPDATE their old technology to match this new bad boy on the block!
As always, your review is truly objective. You have clearly done a lot of tests before this video. Which is rare among TH-cam reviewers nowadays. Well done!
Hurra! Great video, really enjoyed it - thanks for the shoutout! Always a big plus to learn something on the technical side, didn't know there is such a difference between P1P and X1C regarding electronics. My X1C just arrived, can't wait to check it out since I already liked the P1P a lot. Still using my MK3S+, though. I dont know why I sometimes chose it over the P1P, perhaps just because I'm so used to it. Time will tell if the Bambu printers work that good on the long run. Happy holidays und genieß deinen Weihnachtsschnaps, cheers :D
Danke!! Glad to hear that you received your X1C - excited to see what you make out of it concerning content. I have to admit: I rarely use my MK3S+ since I have fast printers, but still for smaller parts or when time doesn't matter. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
@@247printing Hallöchen! That raises the question: why does speed matter sooo much?! Most users should use their 3D printer as a hobby in the afternoon or at the weekends. And it should not matter to leave the printer printing (even over night) or 16hrs during day, especially since one printing hour does not cost so much (as Mpox video showed). And if I would run a small business, it would be an easy decision to invest in 3 printers (Ender3) and not rely on one expensive one (Bambu) for the same price and for reliability?! So: what is it with speed?! Compared to most Ender 3 variants and clones the P1P is 3-4x more expensive. And to add a important point to your conclusion: you not only learn much about 3D printing from a Prusa Kit, but also from a cheap printer like the Ender. Especially when considering adjustment, troubleshooting, settings in slicer (where BambuLab is limited) and of course modding. The adding of a Klipper solution to any Ender clone via Raspberry Pi, Notebook or Klipper "Pad" alone means ton of learning, understanding and Knoff Hoff. So again: why are people willing to invest like 3 times the money (compared to other basic printers often recommended) to get more speed for a hobby and experience less learnings, less tinkering time and at the end: less time with that hobby? If I "just wanted the 3D printed part" I could also order it at so many manufacturing services out there, without the need of a 3D printer in the first place (to give an extreme example of not being interested in the "how" but only the result). This could be an interesting question to answer, especially with having read so much comments under 3D printer reviews ... like you maybe have read. Grüße!
@@hassosigbjoernson5738from a business standpoint, space is almost always an issue, being able to replace 3 or 4 printers with a single one means that you can either scale up further with the same space or that you need less space for the same print throughput. Also power consumption of running 3-4 machines compared to running only one is also a consideration especially as most of the power use comes from the bed heating and nozzle heating and that is what you are multiplying by having more machines to do the same amount of work. For hobby use, if you are prototyping and want to test parts it speeds up the process a lot being able to quickly print the parts. A lot of the time I am building things, designing and printing parts as I go. Being able to quickly print parts on my voron allows me to continue with the project rather than having to wait for parts to print before moving onto the next part. The difference here between a print that only takes an hour compared to one that takes 4 allows me to do so much more in one day rather than have to wait and put things off to the next day. Obviously when I don’t need it printed fast, I can just up the quality and have a longer print time if I am printing in the evening and will be at work the next day it doesn’t matter if it takes 12+ hours, but when I come home and want to get on with building stuff that evening being able to design, print and implement a part all in one evening is invaluable when you don’t have infinite free time. There is also the issue that the longer a print takes the more likelihood there is for a failure. Some of this is just due to print distance, but also time is a factor and increases the likelihood of electronic failure, power problems or temperature fluctuations. Failing a 16hour print puts you a lot further behind than failing it if it only takes 4.
Prusa will need to step things up a lot in order to compete. I feel like bambu is going to release a large format that will put the XL to shame as well. Would love to see a smaller bambu as well for more budget and stability
the bambu printer might as well be a smartphone. there are barely any parts for sale and everything is closed off so you can't even fix it with parts from third parties. the people actually running proper print farms will stick to prusa because at least you can buy replacement anything for them directly from the manufacturer. anyone replacing their farm with bambu printers is a fucking idiot, and will pay the price when they start breaking due to natural wear and bambu wants to either get it back for service all the way in china, sell expensive parts or flat out refuse to sell parts to you apple style.
Broadly speaking, I agree with your conclusion: if you're in the part of the "3d printing community" that doesn't care about building and modding a printer and just wants a tool for making things, the Bambu machines are probably the best choice. The one advantage Prusa has over Bambu is a proven track record, though. If you're a very risk-adverse person, Prusa is probably a slightly more stable company. Not that I have any reason to doubt Bambu's stability, but we don't have long-term data. Likewise, we know the Mk3 in its many forms will run for years, and we just don't have that long-term experience with Bambu. (A subset of this, Prusa parts are available from a lot of different sources, meaning that even if Prusa suffers a catastrophe spare parts will be fairly findable for some time. Whereas Bambu is currently a single-source machine with minimal fallbacks if something happens to the company.) Until I watched this, though, I hadn't thought about the Prusa as an "easy entry" for those who *are* interested in building and modding. That's actually a really good point - getting the Prusa kits will teach a new printor a lot about how to build and maintain a machine, while still offering a lot of strong customer support and high quality parts. If yo're brand new but eventually want to build a Voron or a RatRig, the Prusa machine is probably a really good place to start. Also, you have no idea how happy you made me by remembering that "mk" is pronounced "mark." It drives me bonkers how many TH-camrs say "emm-kay-three." We don't say "dee-are McCoy" or "Fleet ess-tee," after all!
As someone that has exclusively used 3 Prusa MK3S+ printers for several years to run a highly reviewed Etsy business I recently ordered my 2nd X1 carbon and will be replacing the Prusa printers. The X1 Carbon somehow prints at 2-4x the speed and even beats the Prusa on quality…I truly didn’t that the quality would be there but somehow it it! I LOVE Prusa they helped me build a great business but somehow Bamu Lab has mateched and even beat Prusas magic sauce.
@@wishihadablog Yes I did consider that. Sorry at some point you have to just give something a try. I have 3 X1 Carbons running full out 20 hours a day and they have been going like that for about 4 weeks now. I’ve had one single clog in all that printing and 2 failed prints..that roughly 1800 print hours already between the 3. Also the replacement parts seem to be readily available on the Bambu website at quite reasonable prices at the time of this comment. Time will tell but so far I have no regrets at all in abandoning my MK3 printers.
@@wishihadablog spare parts are readily available and pretty cheap but bambu labs filament or spools is more complicated always sold out. and I live east coast so take 7 to 10 days get parts atm but sure that all get better
@@damiengvideos4337 spare parts are available now, but what about the future ? What about they decide to release a new printer and stop selling older parts ? What about Bambulabs dissapear ? Most of Prusa parts will be available for ever and ever. I talk just about spare parts, not the rest (print quality, speed, etc) which is surely better than the Prusa. I have only a doubt about print quality as the majority of X1C users says that the print quality is a just the same as the Prusa.
3d printers were always destined to be plug and play appliances, and Bambu is the first to reach that mark. I LOVE to tinker! But I want my printer to be a tool I use in my tinkering, not my project. After getting my hands on my friends new X1 carbon it's a no brainier. My highly modded CR10 has seen the last of it's upgrades. Bambu will surely put out a machine with a larger print capacity and I'm here for it.
The preorder bonus of the p1p is a low res cam, the fan and a light. Which is great. Ill add the fan an adjust the settings for sure. I will also print myself a enclosure. Cant wait.
Prusa overall I still feel will have Bambu Lab beat on track record and range of products for awhile now. They're continuing to expand into newer and newer spaces and are never too far behind with innovation. Excited to see the Prusa XL once it's out, it looks like a really REALLY exciting printer for the people that wanna go big or go home. Overall, solid review, appreciate the unbiasedness you have.
I started with an Ender 3 Pro and struggled and loved it for 2 years. The P1P is the "next step" in my printing evolution, I'll probably even print parts for the Ender ON the P1P. I'm glad that I understand the devices at a fundamental level, from calibration to configuration and building.
A printer made mostly with proprietary parts will never be a Prusa killer. Just you wait. After two years the P1P will be discontinued and the “upgrade” won’t be able to re-use the proprietary parts.
Agree. My MK3s has been off ever since my X1C has been running. The only thing the Prusa has going for it right now is quietness. I use to be able to have the MK3s on my desk printing and still have a work meeting. With the X1C, even in silent mode, is too loud and annoying. However, with how sturdy the X1C is, if I need to do a print during work hours, I just pick it up and move it to a different room, then use it remotely, since sending files and monitoring the print are both super simple. Like many others, I am also have a Prusa XL on preorder, although, after rounds of delays and no end in sight, I wonder if I will even bother following through now that I have the X1C. Especially since the X1C with the AMS does everything I wanted the XL to do, and faster.
to really be more relevant, i think Prusa needs to make a corexy Prusa Cube that works with their toolchanger and multi filament system. especially since they are making their fork of the marlin input shaping algo and a corexy takes better advantage of that feature than an i3 bed slinger type. the cube footprint helps it fit spaces without needing to worry about extra front or rear spacing. having the bed stationary, layer shifts from bed acceleration or a slipping magnetic bed arent really a concern anymore. everything just goes fast.
The X1C is has transformed my little printing farm into a cash collecting win fall... The speed i can smash out clean looking prints is just next level. The P1P is just the next step to converting all my machines over eventually. But... @ nearer to 1k au and by the time you add an AMS ($500*) Then the extra's.... IMO if your looking the multicolour then the X1C still represents better overall value imo. The day Bambu Labs decided to release a 300 x 300 or even 400 x400 printer it's game over.
If you already have Prusa printers , they do produce good quality. ( with some upgrades ). I have 9 Mk3 s. Minis etc. after receiving the Bambu x1 carbons. They are my new go to printers. Now I do still use the prusa s. But usually just to mass produce something. if I need to print quickly it’s so much faster to do it on the Bambu printer. I had a deposit for a couple of the Prusa xl s. But honestly I don’t really see a need for it. I could buy 6 bambu p1p s. For the price of the XL from prusa. ( with the 5 tool heads. ).
I’m in the exact same boat. I’ve exclusively loved and used Prusas for the last few years and have a deposit down on 2 XL model but have canceled one. I just don’t see how an XL with 5 tool heads for $4k can possibly replace a single X-1 Carbon with AMS for $1500. Or add 3 extra AMS units for a total of $2550…16 colors and superior speed. I hope this wakes up Prusa and they put out a better, faster machine. Win win for us consumers!
i dont own a prusa nor im a fanboy of it, but i think the main reason going to a Prusa XL is the more stable build quality (maybe for long term use, if it matter) and you have a multi material printfarm not to ooze so much filament. But there is a lot oozing before break even...
@@adamriese3610 more stable build quality? it uses plastic parts, it doesn't have supporting extrusions in the front etc.. there's just so much wrong about the xl, the only 2 benefits of the xl would be the larger bed and the toolchanger, and that's about it
@@adamriese3610 I love my 3 MK3S+ printers 🖨️ for their quality. However my X1 Carbon is so much faster and is even better quality than the MK3. I hope the XL steps it up even more! Then we all win 🥇
oh, i think i mixed up something. Yeah right the missing front extrusion is weird... dont ask me. I got a sidewinder, and now using a voron i dont buy a prusa. The price for the hardware is too bad for me, even when they use excellent software and documentations
I have two X1C's and a Prusa MK3S+ and although I really enjoy using the Bambu machines, I won't be retiring my MK3 any time soon. Yes, it's slower, but a decent number of my prints are run slow and hot, so that's OK (PC-CF for one) - I get fantastic results from the Prusa. I also like Prusa Slicer better than Bambu Studio as it feels more mature and feature-rich - although now I've had the network connectivity of the X1C, I really miss that on the Prusa. I've also had more issues with the X1C (bad camera, bad heatbed sensor cable, filament jams - in just a few months), and I don't think the firmware is "there" yet. Even with all the fancy sensors, it will still under-extrude, phantom print, and other dumb things. I've had to clear several plugged nozzles on my X1C's and never had that happen on my Prusa (knock on wood). Now, if I was recommending a printer to a noob on a limited budget .... I would have to point them at the P1P over the MK3S+ (kit). Yes, it's proprietary in a lot of ways, but Bambu's part pricing is very reasonable and their shipping is quick. The results (especially using Bambu-branded materials) are excellent and fast. It will be interesting to see, over time, what modders do with them.
This review makes me really consider buying one as an upgrade to a Qidi Tech i-Mate S. The precise detail of information needed, superb charts and great voice-over.
Stumbled upon this channel when looking for voron tuning and insane speedboats. Now you doin printer reviews too :O ? And the video quality is WAY TO GOOD for that "low" sub count. Happy for anything coming up in here. And i wish you a good new year!
Happy new year to you! Cool to read that you are one of the early viewers still sticking to 247printing! THANKS! Yes, this year I tried to learn to produce proper content, but I'll come back to the roots (insane speeds) next, but then with better video quality :-)
@@247printing Yeah your first 1000mm/s V0 vid made me make my prusa go brrr :| far from your V0 but now it manages a decent quality benchy in barley under 30 minutes in PETG, thats enough for now :D And excellent review. Can't argue a bit. Also very interested in whats coming next :O
I think it goes without saying that Bambu Lab knocked it out of the park across the board. However, I find it odd that they don’t offer an upgrade path for the P1P to carbon level and it just limits the amount of money they can make. Aka, you should, be able to buy the stripped down P1P and upgrade it, fully over time, to the Carbon. In the end, it would cost more, but allow the customer to outlay the fundss over time. Aka, the budget constrained could still get in, and over time, have the same product and? Bambu still profits well from it. Re Prusa, they’ve manaaged to set the standard for years, but, obviously haven’t innovated in too long. I bought a Sovol SV05, modeled after the Creality 5 and it cost me 279.00. Creality, is the ones that made Prusa over priced. Joe and gang however, aren’t “done” in my opinion. I believe it won’’t be long before we see their response to the market changes. Will it be too late? I don’t think so. Don’t count them out yet.
I just got my p1p. The setup is really easy, and the printing quality is amazing. Sure it's possible to achieve that speed and quality with a voron, but that takes time and money and most importantly experience. Do I still love my prusa and voron? Yes. Those you build with your own hands are quite something else deep in heart. But if I want to buy another printer, and just want it to work, it will be again the p1p.
I made my two Rat Rig based Corexy printers just before the X1 was released so I had no money to join the KS and I do feel like I missed out on something special. After the P1P was released I decided to upgrade one of my printers with the Rapido and LDO motors and I can compete with the speeds so that made me feel a lot better, but I really would like the X1 Carbon with the multi material setup. My Prusa is still my go to printer for anything that needs PETG, ASA or PCCF it prints those so well with a small upgrade of a nozzle X. I do have the MMU for the prusa, but I was never able to get a reliable filament rewinding system in my small space so I removed it. Bambu really have done a good job of shaking up the printer market for 2023, exciting times !
Today I saw content of Adam (Vector3D) about really handy filament clips. I want them, but don't need them quickly. Started Prusa Slicer, picked a default setting, sent it to Octoprint and started the print on the MK3 blindly. If not in a hurry: It still has it's nice touch!
8-12 hours more than doubles the price for me. The kit is the only way I’d get the Prusa, however, I couldn’t choose it over the X1 for the same(ish) price. I understand the sentiment about building the printer yourself, however that argument is starting to sound like the “you learn from upgrading an ender 3” both are true, but are they necessary?
If your plan is to just get an X1(C) or P1P, I think the argument of "learning by building" is mostly irrelevant because you can't really upgrade or repair much yourself anyway.
The nice thing about reprap open source style printers (Prusa, Voron, etc) is when things inevitably wear out or break, the parts are off the shelf components and 3D printed parts. This also allows easy upgrades (Prusa is notorious for this) If Bambu Labs stops making parts, you now have something going into a landfill. They went too far into the appliance black box side of things IMHO.
Said something similar on Reddit. Right to repair is huge, you have to send this back to get it fixed, and like you said, it's a big expensive paperweight if Bambu goes under. Secondly, prusa isn't a thing of the past. I have the xl on pre order and that thing is stuffed with all kinds of fancy tech that the x1c doesn't even have. And you can be sure all of it will be drizzling into a more affordable Mk4 any day now with an announcement.
@@8bittim The XL most likely wont be as fast as the Bambu's though. Most people switching to the Bambu's are people who print as a business and time is money.
Yep. I was with an org that went all-in on Printrbot back when. They went out of production, and all the printers slowly died because the control boards were all proprietary.
@@shanebrennan4657 my comment must have not been posted or deleted but I'm on the FB group with Bambu labs and most of them are hobbyists. But aside from that, the prusa has so many features speed isn't a concern of mine. I can't speculate on it either because they haven't made a statement about the exact speeds but they did claim it will be able to go pretty fast. It's the sum of many parts that makes this printer extremely interesting for me
@@oddlytimbotwillison6296 they had low sales though, which suggests the marketing and product/ timing wasn't right. From what I have seen with Bambu Labs I predict it will be successful if they can iron out the small teething problems.
Ofcourse the prusa mks and minis are now obsolete ...just like that and overnight because Prusa have been lazy in R and D for a long time. They have even realized it themselves and sent out questionnaires to hear what they can do to fix it .
@John Olson that's literally what all R&D departments do. These companies will not pay for REAL engineers to innovative new ideas. They can't afford to. Prusa definitely doesn't either and they also just take from the community as well. They don't innovate. All the low budget 3d printing companies just take and mass produce some clever, most of the time nameless, engineers work they did as a hobby and run with it.
@@JohnOlson do you understand what r&d is? They research what other people are doing, and package it into a complete product. They actually talk about this on their blog, and give credit to projects like the reprap project, the voron project, hevort, ratrig, etc.
@@JohnOlson how dare they not re-invent the wheel... they've brought a fantastic product that ticks every possible box at a price equal to or lower than the very best competitors. There is nothing to complain about
chillax :) Prusa is far from obsolete, if you are a prusa owner you know why ;) lets see how sturdy bambulabs p1p is after 1 year in the field :) good luck ! keep printing
wie kommst Du auf den Preis für den X1 Carbon, oder soll er nicht inkl. Vat sondern exkl. Vat sein? Auf der Shopseite kostet er ohne die Anzahlung 1369€ + 19% (269,11€) macht 1629,11€ dazu kommt noch Porto und die Anzahlung von 20€
Good summary. The real dilemma I see is whether the Bambulab models will hold up as well as the Mk3S+ in terms of wear/adjustment/etc. I've built a Voron 0.1 and my Mk3S+ and aside from a bearing issue with the Prusa (no, the linear bearings are NOT pre-lubricated lol) I haven't had any problems with either. I'm looking hard at the X1 Carbon just because it takes all the MIND-NUMBING and error-prone guesswork out of tuning resonance, pressure advance, and extrusion rates. I really, REALLY loved how the default profiles from Prusa just worked out of the box with their filament on the Mk3S+ but as soon as you want to move to something more useful like ASA or other engineering-grade (lol, I know) filaments, you have to go back and retune so many things that it becomes a real drag. I'm past the "I wanna build the kit to learn how this stuff works" and well into "get off my lawn, I just want it to print well all the time." Warm regards from Texas and Merry Christmas. ;) (not so warm here, though. Was 10F/-12C here last night.)
Tons of problems are already coming out with the X1. Check reddit, twitter, fb groups, etc. My friend just got his X1 last friday, and the same day the stepper motor went bad and he still hasn't heard back from bambu CS. Didn't even have 10 hours on it. Just another china made printer with china made parts and quality.
Bambu has been pretty transparent and open. They told the community that due to the Covid outbreak CS would be degraded and apologized in advance. I have a KS unit, and the 2 times I've had to reach out I got responses in
Thanks a lot, mate! I double that - no need for me to have a P1P (printing a lot of ABS), but it's an appealing machine (naked and sexy...) in every respect!
Great comparison, thank you. As a channel just finishing up the 4th Voron build, I'm curious to see what I think of the P1P when I unbox it on New Years Day! Super excited!
As a hobbyist I'm cautious about printers in closed ecosystems of parts. Given it has a fast growing following. I rather build a Voron and be able to purchase parts from more than one manufacturer. Also being able to upgrade to suit my needs. As a consumer my interest is peeked, but I've done the early DJI dance and was let down. Eventually they came out with products that resolved the issues created by their new design techniques. I would suggest the p1p or carbon to anyone who doesn't have time to put one together.
With how well engineered the BambooLabs printers are, they could probably up the print size by quite a bit without having to sacrifice print quality or speed too much. I expect an X1C+ or X2C at some point 2023 with just a larger print size and probably more filament roll storage space on/within the printer.
in bambu's AMA on reddit, the ceo said that a future large format printdr wouldn't just be a scaled up x1c, they would add a lot more features, and redesign many parts.
I double that: Ingenious engineering there! I also think easy scaling the X1 to 300-350mm from a design point of view should be doable. The problem for a bigger sheet metal frame like this: Loads of investment for tools and assembly to do by Bambu Lab and it's a smaller market. Maybe 2023! I'd be excited!
Agreed…an X1 Carbon with a 350-360 build build plate to match the XL and it’s game over. I LOVE Prusa but the competition is heating up which is great for us consumers!
The Pampers😂 blooper got me going as I was literally carrying a used pampers to the trash when you said that and seriously thought for .2 sec you were seriously about to incorporate diapers to the Bambu 😂😂. Merry Christmas, thanks again for the most insightful videos about Bambu on the internet! 😊
Bambu lab puts the Prusa in an odd position. The features of X1 is just another generation and tech compared to mk3 which offers waaay more features. I feel like if prusa made the X1 they would have priced it at least $2.5k for comparison you can see their barebone XL which is priced at 2k and its made of extrusions/3d printed parts and lacks features compared to X1
Love my P1P, only issue I'm having right now, its not recognizing the camera at all. They should give the option buy the glass door and top for the p1p considering it's just a shell of the X1C.
Honestly if I were wanting a printer that just works without tinkering then I'd still recommend the prusa over the bambu lab. There's good slicer profiles for nearly every filament, there's better access to spares and the supply chain is there. It's a proven platform and the support is just miles better than what bambu lab have in place. I think the bambu lab printers can take that spot away from prusa, but it's just not there yet.
The single issue I don't like about the Mk3 is the old-school nozzle. I find getting the 2-part nozzle and heat break seated properly incredibly difficult and I've ruined two different hotends because of blobs of doom caused by imperfectly seated nozzles. I think Prusa would be well advised to switch the Mk3 to the same nozzle the XL will be using.
@@davydatwood3158 I agree. While I have never damaged my hot end switching nozzles was always difficult and nerve-wracking. That's why I upgraded my prusa with a Revo system switching nozzles is so much easier. Prusa should just make them or something like it standard.
Prusa no longer has any secret sauce. Alot of printers now are on par or better. People using prusa's just don't know cause they've never really explored outside there box.
brillant video! My own personal opinion on the Bamboo Labs printers is that they are absoletly amazing high speed printers for a fairly reasonable price that is fairly fool prool and are great for the people who just want a printer that is high speed and just work with little to no tinkering/building required. However with that being said, i can say that for most people in the 3D printing community we will often spend more time on tinkering and upgrading our machines than spending time printing stuff. So it really down to the persons goal and what they want out of a printer to go with Bamboo Labs or others like prusa, voron, ratrig or even vzbots. I personally feel that the Bamboo labs are targeting more towards small businesses and engineering firms rather than everyday hobbiest printer guys, where they requires high reliability and fast print time and most importantly no tinkering, to just get prototying parts out.
Having been in the 3d printing world for over 7 years. I just want my printer to work as my time is now much more limited and i want to focus on designs not tinkering That said i never buy a gen 1 product from a new company. Maybe in a few years tho.
Thanks for the video! Please put up charts for longer or put in the description. Watching on a TV was not possible as paused the chart was covering key details. I had to swap to my phone
Thanks for the feedback, very precious and we've discussed this topic a lot internally - I was on the "pausing is always possible" side. You proof that wrong - I'll find ways to make this more enjoyable in the future!
@@247printing If you need any more on this, so we also tried to even take a picture of the graphs on the TV with our phones and it took three attempts as it was that fast. 1 missed completely 1 missing the last bar. Thanks again for the video!
Hi guys, please help me decide between a P1P and X1C. If I upgrade the P1P's head to a hardened steel version, and perhaps add DIY covers to have a kind of enclosed cabinet (I may also add some chamber heating) will I get the same results when printing higher temperature filaments, like nylon, carbon or ASA ? Without warping. I understand I will miss the more comfortable control panel, but are there anything else I would miss and regret not buying the much more expensive X1C?
Just wonder with those kind of speeds, will it beat itself to death? shorten its lifespan? and the unknown of reliability and durability? So many questions, new to this, so I have lots of Rookie questions.
Most of the parts on 3D printers are damn near bulletproof. I've been pushing my printers to their limits for years, and never had a non-consumable part fail. Stepper motors are near bulletproof, and as long as electronics are kept within their operating range, they'll last for many years. I've been running a few Ender 3's on Klipper so fast that they shake the heavy table they're on for 2 years. The only thing I've ever had to replace is rollers and a belt. The Bambu Labs printers are on linear rails, so don't have to worry about rollers.
MAN OH MAN! What great detail! Im a mechanical engineering student and you really tickled all my concerns in investing in this 3D printer, which is a good and bad thing. As I am a student, Im worried about investing all my hard earned money in a printer. Would you maybe have a recommendation on a 3D printer I could customize, make a enclosure and dismantle, whilst still printing at a good speed and quality and range of materials? Its a lot to ask for but there's so many choices that im a little overwhelmed.... XD I also live in Austria, if that helps with a recommendation :) Thank you for your effort and great quality for information!!!
mAnyone know if there's a reason to avoid buying a neptune 4 plus or something over a bambulab p1p? Other than a bit of troubleshooting on the neptune you still get crazy speeds and decent quality. Genuinely curious since a neptune is significantly cheaper and elegoo has pretty great customer support, I'm open to either option but I've got no interest in multimaterial single prints.
Hi Albert, I have a question. Do you use 3d printing in your Job/company. I work at electrical engineering for a Mining company and 3d printing is not a topic. Everything is in metal (mindestens 30mm Edelstahl). 3d printing is my hobby but I think that is a perfect tool for the industry. What do you think? Greetings
Hey, I personally don't use 3D printers on my jop directly - mostly use outlook, powerpoint, excel for planning/managing. The company I am working for (car manufacturer) uses all kinds of 3D printing though for prototyping, production and individualization.
Man, I love your videos. My P1P came in a few days ago. I was debating making an unboxing video but now I am debating doing a live stream since Uncle Jesse's machine had screen issues out of the box. As he said, it still could be user error. We will find out. Thanks for the content.
I have a laser printer. It prints my documents without having to tell it what speed to print, what temperature to use, etc. That's how I want my 3d printer. Notice how "I" want it. Bambu Labs is a step in this direction. Next, let's get A1 involved in the software so I get PERFECT prints every time, just like my laser printer.
As someone who wants to print not build or work on printers, bamboo is the only choice. Build size is the only thing I waffle on, some of the huge format printers are enticing. Extrusion printers will have to outpace my mono X's before I leap in.
I’m still sticking to MK3S (even a clone) or Voron. I don’t want a closed box 3d printer. Your repairs and mods are controlled by Bambu. Your personal needs may differ. That’s fine.
@@morbus5726 Mods galore for Prusa i3s. Extruders, hot ends, bear frame, linear rails, revised printed parts for easier belt tensioning, fan duct for improved cooling, lighting. And more.
@@morbus5726 The point of modding is modding. If I take the time I've messed with my printer or printed anything then most of the time I have spent modding it. And its not because its not working. It's because I have no need to print anything but I like tinkering with stuff.
@@JohnOlson I would not buy a Prusa with the thought I'm going to mod it. Sorry, if I'm going to spend $800 to $1100, I don't want to tinker or mod anything. I just want it to work. Bambu with quality and speed combo is a no brainer. The cost is very good for what you get.
To say you're not a big fan of the cheaper p1p screen is akin to saying the same about the prusa screen. Just saying. All due respect. A prusa xl themed enclosure would be hilarious. I respect you so much for marking a line in the sand even though a diy creality kit from their site would be a great, no big expense way. I've never met a German who didn't like metal. I approve haha
Hard to compare the Prusa screen and the P1P screen: Different approaches: The encoder style on Prusa is faster and more convenient to use. Also less delays. If you have the opportunity: Try to check out both to get a feeling!
When I switched from Ender 3 V2 with its big LCD color screen to the Prusa i3 MK3S+, I thought "what a screen downgrade !". I planned to ad a touch screen connected to my octoprint. But after the first interactions with the controls, it's way better than the controls of the Ender 3 V2 itself. When you know it, it takes few seconds to do what you want to. It's very intuitive and effective. I will say even better than a touchscreen with a bad or just good UI. After two years, I print with my Prusa several times a week and never put the touchscreen that I wanted to the first time... By seeing the controls of the P1P, when you have the Prusa i3 experience, you know within a second that they are worse than the Prusa. Especially with theses buttons.
It looks like Prusa is in an awkward spot right now. If you want a high end printer that works, you go Bambu. But if you want something that's a project, why not just go Voron or something like that?
A prusa mk3 kit can be a good entry point for a noob. Community is huge and the project is very very well documented. I'm not sure if a voron is a good idea as a first printer.
The MK3S kit is still good (and yet still cheaper than a V2 kit) if you want to ease yourself into a Voron. Sure, it's a slower bedslinger, but you get your experience building a more reliable machine than anything Creality ever spit out. I've had my MK3S for 3 years now, and the only thing it needs is some routine maintenance every now and then. I'm a hobbyist, so the MK3S suits my needs just fine. I want to build a Voron 2.4 just for fun. I enjoyed the MK3 kit.
As soon as I saw that bambu was DJI led - I said that the rest of the 3d printing industry is completely screwed lol. They decimated the competition in the drone industry whilst turning it from a handful of DIYers playing around with fibreglass into a billion dollar a year industry that's now used in every form of life daily.
Exactly if you want to cheap diy ender clones, you want fast for reasonable price p1p and if you want diy and cheapish/expensive(depending on part sourcing) go voron.
People complaining about "closed source" won't be using the same printer by the time closed source matters. Most people are going to sell and upgrade their printers in 3 to 5 years.
Honestly Prusa did kickstarted the personal 3d printer market, but shot its own leg by barely offering new innovation and just releasing the same thing again and again in different size over the years. Now all they left with are the whole 'open source' thing and its community, but even then, Chinese copy like Ender are slowly taking Prusa target market due to its lower price with similar quality.
I enjoy building and tinkering and upgrading almost as much as the printing process itself, I probably will end up with an X1 Carbon as my Prusa XL has been delayed again, I know that if I bought a P1P I would be forever kicking myself for not getting the X1.
Someone can explain me if the P1P got LIDAR or not ??? I can't found a clear answer ... i'm not a native english talker. I thik the X1C have LIDAR and the P1P and P1S haven't LIDAR ...
Great review. This is a pretty good machine. The Sovol SV06 is supposed to be a great Prusa MK3 clone. I won't have mine for a couple weeks. I have been a huge fan of Prusa since they came out, but there are a few newcomers that are stepping up
The Sovol SV06 is very much LIKE a Prusa, but I'd describe it as an "early Beta of the MK3S" - it doesn't have a lot of the "nice to have" features of a MK3 (like filament run-out sensor or independent Z axis steppers - they're wired together - or the really user-friendly firmware). Still, for what they cost, they are a solid printer. I set up a profile in PrusaSlicer for the Sovol SV06 and it's been working great. If it wasn't for the screamin' PSU fan, it'd be almost silent, too.
I'll never get a Bambu Lab printer for the simple reason that they are sending everyone and their dog free printers. If they can just throw them out for free, I don't see myself spending so much money on it.
In my opinion at the positive site of Prusa is if you have to repair something you get the parts from the Market. For the p1p only from bambulab because all is proprietary. But overall i like the p1p, not much left to buy it.
The only thing that bothers me, is that many reviewers claim that the P1P/X1 is loud and shouldnt be in the same room as you most of the time. Like you already said. Since i have my gaming PC in the same room its important for me, that the printer is as quiet as it can be.
That's one of the advantages of the Prusa. It makes a fair amount of noise too, but if you first get a very heavy paving stone that's like 40x40cm squared and thick, and put that under it to soak up vibrations, that quiets it down a lot. If you then also add an enclosure, that will control the fan noise as well. I run my MK3 in my office space in a makeshift enclosure and I can live with the sound. Especially since i print PETG almost entirely; PETG doesn't need the maximum cooling PLA does, so the tiny fan doesn't have to spin at a gazillion rpm and howl its head off.
I run multiple prusa printers 5 inches away from me on the same desk where my gaming PC is set up. They sit on 1/2 rubber pads from home depot and they are just as quiet as when i use to have them sitting on a heavy concrete paver. I can sleep in the same rooms in my prusas. Cant do that with a bambu. even when running bambu at really slow speeds. Its just ridiculously loud for no reason.
I wouldn't have found my way here if I was able to get my new Ender 3 Max with Sprite Extruder Pro and CL Touch working. But now, seeing what new tech (like this and the FLSUN V400) is available, maybe that was for the best ...
I just got my P1P after abandoning FDM for resin over a year ago. I am totally blown away by the improvements, ease of use and most of all SPEED!
And what about quality?
@@Another_opinion_ So far its been amazing, I mean its FDM so it won't be as detailed as resin, but for FDM its great.
It's not an upgrade... It's a whole new ball game that others, including the God like Prusa, will have to play catch up and UPDATE their old technology to match this new bad boy on the block!
@@Another_opinion_ quality is really good at 200 outer and 300 inner walls while being at 10k accel.
As always, your review is truly objective. You have clearly done a lot of tests before this video. Which is rare among TH-cam reviewers nowadays. Well done!
Thanks a lot, buddy! Keep it up with your Bambu Slicer forks - I am watching it :-)
Hurra! Great video, really enjoyed it - thanks for the shoutout! Always a big plus to learn something on the technical side, didn't know there is such a difference between P1P and X1C regarding electronics. My X1C just arrived, can't wait to check it out since I already liked the P1P a lot.
Still using my MK3S+, though. I dont know why I sometimes chose it over the P1P, perhaps just because I'm so used to it. Time will tell if the Bambu printers work that good on the long run.
Happy holidays und genieß deinen Weihnachtsschnaps, cheers :D
Danke!! Glad to hear that you received your X1C - excited to see what you make out of it concerning content. I have to admit: I rarely use my MK3S+ since I have fast printers, but still for smaller parts or when time doesn't matter.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
@@247printing Hallöchen! That raises the question: why does speed matter sooo much?! Most users should use their 3D printer as a hobby in the afternoon or at the weekends. And it should not matter to leave the printer printing (even over night) or 16hrs during day, especially since one printing hour does not cost so much (as Mpox video showed). And if I would run a small business, it would be an easy decision to invest in 3 printers (Ender3) and not rely on one expensive one (Bambu) for the same price and for reliability?!
So: what is it with speed?! Compared to most Ender 3 variants and clones the P1P is 3-4x more expensive. And to add a important point to your conclusion: you not only learn much about 3D printing from a Prusa Kit, but also from a cheap printer like the Ender. Especially when considering adjustment, troubleshooting, settings in slicer (where BambuLab is limited) and of course modding.
The adding of a Klipper solution to any Ender clone via Raspberry Pi, Notebook or Klipper "Pad" alone means ton of learning, understanding and Knoff Hoff.
So again: why are people willing to invest like 3 times the money (compared to other basic printers often recommended) to get more speed for a hobby and experience less learnings, less tinkering time and at the end: less time with that hobby?
If I "just wanted the 3D printed part" I could also order it at so many manufacturing services out there, without the need of a 3D printer in the first place (to give an extreme example of not being interested in the "how" but only the result).
This could be an interesting question to answer, especially with having read so much comments under 3D printer reviews ... like you maybe have read.
Grüße!
@@hassosigbjoernson5738from a business standpoint, space is almost always an issue, being able to replace 3 or 4 printers with a single one means that you can either scale up further with the same space or that you need less space for the same print throughput. Also power consumption of running 3-4 machines compared to running only one is also a consideration especially as most of the power use comes from the bed heating and nozzle heating and that is what you are multiplying by having more machines to do the same amount of work.
For hobby use, if you are prototyping and want to test parts it speeds up the process a lot being able to quickly print the parts. A lot of the time I am building things, designing and printing parts as I go. Being able to quickly print parts on my voron allows me to continue with the project rather than having to wait for parts to print before moving onto the next part. The difference here between a print that only takes an hour compared to one that takes 4 allows me to do so much more in one day rather than have to wait and put things off to the next day. Obviously when I don’t need it printed fast, I can just up the quality and have a longer print time if I am printing in the evening and will be at work the next day it doesn’t matter if it takes 12+ hours, but when I come home and want to get on with building stuff that evening being able to design, print and implement a part all in one evening is invaluable when you don’t have infinite free time.
There is also the issue that the longer a print takes the more likelihood there is for a failure. Some of this is just due to print distance, but also time is a factor and increases the likelihood of electronic failure, power problems or temperature fluctuations. Failing a 16hour print puts you a lot further behind than failing it if it only takes 4.
Prusa will need to step things up a lot in order to compete. I feel like bambu is going to release a large format that will put the XL to shame as well. Would love to see a smaller bambu as well for more budget and stability
the bambu printer might as well be a smartphone. there are barely any parts for sale and everything is closed off so you can't even fix it with parts from third parties. the people actually running proper print farms will stick to prusa because at least you can buy replacement anything for them directly from the manufacturer. anyone replacing their farm with bambu printers is a fucking idiot, and will pay the price when they start breaking due to natural wear and bambu wants to either get it back for service all the way in china, sell expensive parts or flat out refuse to sell parts to you apple style.
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Lets anwer this comment the day they will
Broadly speaking, I agree with your conclusion: if you're in the part of the "3d printing community" that doesn't care about building and modding a printer and just wants a tool for making things, the Bambu machines are probably the best choice. The one advantage Prusa has over Bambu is a proven track record, though. If you're a very risk-adverse person, Prusa is probably a slightly more stable company. Not that I have any reason to doubt Bambu's stability, but we don't have long-term data. Likewise, we know the Mk3 in its many forms will run for years, and we just don't have that long-term experience with Bambu. (A subset of this, Prusa parts are available from a lot of different sources, meaning that even if Prusa suffers a catastrophe spare parts will be fairly findable for some time. Whereas Bambu is currently a single-source machine with minimal fallbacks if something happens to the company.)
Until I watched this, though, I hadn't thought about the Prusa as an "easy entry" for those who *are* interested in building and modding. That's actually a really good point - getting the Prusa kits will teach a new printor a lot about how to build and maintain a machine, while still offering a lot of strong customer support and high quality parts. If yo're brand new but eventually want to build a Voron or a RatRig, the Prusa machine is probably a really good place to start.
Also, you have no idea how happy you made me by remembering that "mk" is pronounced "mark." It drives me bonkers how many TH-camrs say "emm-kay-three." We don't say "dee-are McCoy" or "Fleet ess-tee," after all!
As someone that has exclusively used 3 Prusa MK3S+ printers for several years to run a highly reviewed Etsy business I recently ordered my 2nd X1 carbon and will be replacing the Prusa printers. The X1 Carbon somehow prints at 2-4x the speed and even beats the Prusa on quality…I truly didn’t that the quality would be there but somehow it it! I LOVE Prusa they helped me build a great business but somehow Bamu Lab has mateched and even beat Prusas magic sauce.
do you have a link to your store?
Did you think about spare parts availability? One big plus of Prusa is that all the parts are open source.
@@wishihadablog Yes I did consider that. Sorry at some point you have to just give something a try. I have 3 X1 Carbons running full out 20 hours a day and they have been going like that for about 4 weeks now. I’ve had one single clog in all that printing and 2 failed prints..that roughly 1800 print hours already between the 3. Also the replacement parts seem to be readily available on the Bambu website at quite reasonable prices at the time of this comment. Time will tell but so far I have no regrets at all in abandoning my MK3 printers.
@@wishihadablog spare parts are readily available and pretty cheap but bambu labs filament or spools is more complicated always sold out. and I live east coast so take 7 to 10 days get parts atm but sure that all get better
@@damiengvideos4337 spare parts are available now, but what about the future ? What about they decide to release a new printer and stop selling older parts ? What about Bambulabs dissapear ?
Most of Prusa parts will be available for ever and ever.
I talk just about spare parts, not the rest (print quality, speed, etc) which is surely better than the Prusa. I have only a doubt about print quality as the majority of X1C users says that the print quality is a just the same as the Prusa.
3d printers were always destined to be plug and play appliances, and Bambu is the first to reach that mark. I LOVE to tinker! But I want my printer to be a tool I use in my tinkering, not my project. After getting my hands on my friends new X1 carbon it's a no brainier. My highly modded CR10 has seen the last of it's upgrades. Bambu will surely put out a machine with a larger print capacity and I'm here for it.
I love that bambu are actually innovating!!!
Prusa? Who?
I saw it in museum ;p
I just got my P1P setup and running after 2 years of extensive mods to my ender3 pro, best learning experience build, fix ,rebuild, tune
The preorder bonus of the p1p is a low res cam, the fan and a light. Which is great. Ill add the fan an adjust the settings for sure. I will also print myself a enclosure. Cant wait.
Fantastic video / deep dive
Also… those broll shots you are making are just 🤯
Hey man, thanks a lot - that means a lot to me!
Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Prusa overall I still feel will have Bambu Lab beat on track record and range of products for awhile now. They're continuing to expand into newer and newer spaces and are never too far behind with innovation. Excited to see the Prusa XL once it's out, it looks like a really REALLY exciting printer for the people that wanna go big or go home. Overall, solid review, appreciate the unbiasedness you have.
Tremendously useful video, thank you! I almost bought a Prusa a couple of weeks ago... so glad I waited to see more from all these new printers.
I started with an Ender 3 Pro and struggled and loved it for 2 years. The P1P is the "next step" in my printing evolution, I'll probably even print parts for the Ender ON the P1P. I'm glad that I understand the devices at a fundamental level, from calibration to configuration and building.
Bambu is changing the 3d printing market!! 🔥
Exciting times, right?
A printer made mostly with proprietary parts will never be a Prusa killer.
Just you wait. After two years the P1P will be discontinued and the “upgrade” won’t be able to re-use the proprietary parts.
Incredible video quality man. Great review. Merry Christmas buddy
Thanks a lot, Simon! Merry Christmas to you man!
Agree. My MK3s has been off ever since my X1C has been running. The only thing the Prusa has going for it right now is quietness. I use to be able to have the MK3s on my desk printing and still have a work meeting. With the X1C, even in silent mode, is too loud and annoying. However, with how sturdy the X1C is, if I need to do a print during work hours, I just pick it up and move it to a different room, then use it remotely, since sending files and monitoring the print are both super simple.
Like many others, I am also have a Prusa XL on preorder, although, after rounds of delays and no end in sight, I wonder if I will even bother following through now that I have the X1C. Especially since the X1C with the AMS does everything I wanted the XL to do, and faster.
Exactly!
to really be more relevant, i think Prusa needs to make a corexy Prusa Cube that works with their toolchanger and multi filament system. especially since they are making their fork of the marlin input shaping algo and a corexy takes better advantage of that feature than an i3 bed slinger type.
the cube footprint helps it fit spaces without needing to worry about extra front or rear spacing. having the bed stationary, layer shifts from bed acceleration or a slipping magnetic bed arent really a concern anymore. everything just goes fast.
The X1C is has transformed my little printing farm into a cash collecting win fall... The speed i can smash out clean looking prints is just next level. The P1P is just the next step to converting all my machines over eventually. But... @ nearer to 1k au and by the time you add an AMS ($500*) Then the extra's.... IMO if your looking the multicolour then the X1C still represents better overall value imo. The day Bambu Labs decided to release a 300 x 300 or even 400 x400 printer it's game over.
The UPS man just dropped off my X1C Combo, I can’t wait to get it printing! 😃
If you already have Prusa printers , they do produce good quality. ( with some upgrades ). I have 9 Mk3 s. Minis etc. after receiving the Bambu x1 carbons. They are my new go to printers. Now I do still use the prusa s. But usually just to mass produce something. if I need to print quickly it’s so much faster to do it on the Bambu printer. I had a deposit for a couple of the Prusa xl s. But honestly I don’t really see a need for it. I could buy 6 bambu p1p s. For the price of the XL from prusa. ( with the 5 tool heads. ).
I’m in the exact same boat. I’ve exclusively loved and used Prusas for the last few years and have a deposit down on 2 XL model but have canceled one. I just don’t see how an XL with 5 tool heads for $4k can possibly replace a single X-1 Carbon with AMS for $1500. Or add 3 extra AMS units for a total of $2550…16 colors and superior speed. I hope this wakes up Prusa and they put out a better, faster machine. Win win for us consumers!
i dont own a prusa nor im a fanboy of it, but i think the main reason going to a Prusa XL is the more stable build quality (maybe for long term use, if it matter) and you have a multi material printfarm not to ooze so much filament. But there is a lot oozing before break even...
@@adamriese3610 more stable build quality? it uses plastic parts, it doesn't have supporting extrusions in the front etc..
there's just so much wrong about the xl, the only 2 benefits of the xl would be the larger bed and the toolchanger, and that's about it
@@adamriese3610 I love my 3 MK3S+ printers 🖨️ for their quality. However my X1 Carbon is so much faster and is even better quality than the MK3. I hope the XL steps it up even more! Then we all win 🥇
oh, i think i mixed up something. Yeah right the missing front extrusion is weird... dont ask me. I got a sidewinder, and now using a voron i dont buy a prusa. The price for the hardware is too bad for me, even when they use excellent software and documentations
I have two X1C's and a Prusa MK3S+ and although I really enjoy using the Bambu machines, I won't be retiring my MK3 any time soon. Yes, it's slower, but a decent number of my prints are run slow and hot, so that's OK (PC-CF for one) - I get fantastic results from the Prusa. I also like Prusa Slicer better than Bambu Studio as it feels more mature and feature-rich - although now I've had the network connectivity of the X1C, I really miss that on the Prusa. I've also had more issues with the X1C (bad camera, bad heatbed sensor cable, filament jams - in just a few months), and I don't think the firmware is "there" yet. Even with all the fancy sensors, it will still under-extrude, phantom print, and other dumb things. I've had to clear several plugged nozzles on my X1C's and never had that happen on my Prusa (knock on wood).
Now, if I was recommending a printer to a noob on a limited budget .... I would have to point them at the P1P over the MK3S+ (kit). Yes, it's proprietary in a lot of ways, but Bambu's part pricing is very reasonable and their shipping is quick. The results (especially using Bambu-branded materials) are excellent and fast. It will be interesting to see, over time, what modders do with them.
This review makes me really consider buying one as an upgrade to a Qidi Tech i-Mate S. The precise detail of information needed, superb charts and great voice-over.
Frohes Fest! Und Dankeschön für das tolle Video. Super geschnitten, sehr informativ. Dein Englisch ist klasse, Hut ab. Rundum Super!
Stumbled upon this channel when looking for voron tuning and insane speedboats. Now you doin printer reviews too :O ? And the video quality is WAY TO GOOD for that "low" sub count.
Happy for anything coming up in here. And i wish you a good new year!
Happy new year to you! Cool to read that you are one of the early viewers still sticking to 247printing! THANKS! Yes, this year I tried to learn to produce proper content, but I'll come back to the roots (insane speeds) next, but then with better video quality :-)
@@247printing Yeah your first 1000mm/s V0 vid made me make my prusa go brrr :| far from your V0 but now it manages a decent quality benchy in barley under 30 minutes in PETG, thats enough for now :D
And excellent review. Can't argue a bit.
Also very interested in whats coming next :O
I think it goes without saying that Bambu Lab knocked it out of the park across the board. However, I find it odd that they don’t offer an upgrade path for the P1P to carbon level and it just limits the amount of money they can make. Aka, you should, be able to buy the stripped down P1P and upgrade it, fully over time, to the Carbon. In the end, it would cost more, but allow the customer to outlay the fundss over time. Aka, the budget constrained could still get in, and over time, have the same product and? Bambu still profits well from it. Re Prusa, they’ve manaaged to set the standard for years, but, obviously haven’t innovated in too long. I bought a Sovol SV05, modeled after the Creality 5 and it cost me 279.00. Creality, is the ones that made Prusa over priced. Joe and gang however, aren’t “done” in my opinion. I believe it won’’t be long before we see their response to the market changes. Will it be too late? I don’t think so. Don’t count them out yet.
I just got my p1p. The setup is really easy, and the printing quality is amazing. Sure it's possible to achieve that speed and quality with a voron, but that takes time and money and most importantly experience. Do I still love my prusa and voron? Yes. Those you build with your own hands are quite something else deep in heart. But if I want to buy another printer, and just want it to work, it will be again the p1p.
I made my two Rat Rig based Corexy printers just before the X1 was released so I had no money to join the KS and I do feel like I missed out on something special. After the P1P was released I decided to upgrade one of my printers with the Rapido and LDO motors and I can compete with the speeds so that made me feel a lot better, but I really would like the X1 Carbon with the multi material setup. My Prusa is still my go to printer for anything that needs PETG, ASA or PCCF it prints those so well with a small upgrade of a nozzle X. I do have the MMU for the prusa, but I was never able to get a reliable filament rewinding system in my small space so I removed it. Bambu really have done a good job of shaking up the printer market for 2023, exciting times !
Today I saw content of Adam (Vector3D) about really handy filament clips. I want them, but don't need them quickly. Started Prusa Slicer, picked a default setting, sent it to Octoprint and started the print on the MK3 blindly. If not in a hurry: It still has it's nice touch!
8-12 hours more than doubles the price for me. The kit is the only way I’d get the Prusa, however, I couldn’t choose it over the X1 for the same(ish) price. I understand the sentiment about building the printer yourself, however that argument is starting to sound like the “you learn from upgrading an ender 3” both are true, but are they necessary?
If your plan is to just get an X1(C) or P1P, I think the argument of "learning by building" is mostly irrelevant because you can't really upgrade or repair much yourself anyway.
The nice thing about reprap open source style printers (Prusa, Voron, etc) is when things inevitably wear out or break, the parts are off the shelf components and 3D printed parts. This also allows easy upgrades (Prusa is notorious for this) If Bambu Labs stops making parts, you now have something going into a landfill. They went too far into the appliance black box side of things IMHO.
Said something similar on Reddit. Right to repair is huge, you have to send this back to get it fixed, and like you said, it's a big expensive paperweight if Bambu goes under. Secondly, prusa isn't a thing of the past. I have the xl on pre order and that thing is stuffed with all kinds of fancy tech that the x1c doesn't even have. And you can be sure all of it will be drizzling into a more affordable Mk4 any day now with an announcement.
@@8bittim The XL most likely wont be as fast as the Bambu's though. Most people switching to the Bambu's are people who print as a business and time is money.
Yep. I was with an org that went all-in on Printrbot back when. They went out of production, and all the printers slowly died because the control boards were all proprietary.
@@shanebrennan4657 my comment must have not been posted or deleted but I'm on the FB group with Bambu labs and most of them are hobbyists. But aside from that, the prusa has so many features speed isn't a concern of mine. I can't speculate on it either because they haven't made a statement about the exact speeds but they did claim it will be able to go pretty fast. It's the sum of many parts that makes this printer extremely interesting for me
@@oddlytimbotwillison6296 they had low sales though, which suggests the marketing and product/ timing wasn't right. From what I have seen with Bambu Labs I predict it will be successful if they can iron out the small teething problems.
PRUSA been siting on same design for way too long and the derail into resin printing was another nail to the coffin
Ofcourse the prusa mks and minis are now obsolete ...just like that and overnight because Prusa have been lazy in R and D for a long time. They have even realized it themselves and sent out questionnaires to hear what they can do to fix it .
Bambu didn’t do any new R&D work related to 3D printing. They took everyone else’s work and mass produced it.
@John Olson that's literally what all R&D departments do. These companies will not pay for REAL engineers to innovative new ideas. They can't afford to. Prusa definitely doesn't either and they also just take from the community as well. They don't innovate. All the low budget 3d printing companies just take and mass produce some clever, most of the time nameless, engineers work they did as a hobby and run with it.
@@JohnOlson do you understand what r&d is? They research what other people are doing, and package it into a complete product. They actually talk about this on their blog, and give credit to projects like the reprap project, the voron project, hevort, ratrig, etc.
I’m not sure you know what obsolete means.
@@JohnOlson how dare they not re-invent the wheel... they've brought a fantastic product that ticks every possible box at a price equal to or lower than the very best competitors. There is nothing to complain about
Hi Albert,
Nice review.
I think, that is the future of 3d printers.
Greetings from Bochum
Albert
Hey Albert,
thank you!
Greetings from near Landshut,
Albert
chillax :) Prusa is far from obsolete, if you are a prusa owner you know why ;) lets see how sturdy bambulabs p1p is after 1 year in the field :) good luck ! keep printing
For me. fully opensource, made in Europe, smaller size(Bambu is to big for my IKEA cabinet) makes Prusa the clear winner
wie kommst Du auf den Preis für den X1 Carbon, oder soll er nicht inkl. Vat sondern exkl. Vat sein? Auf der Shopseite kostet er ohne die Anzahlung 1369€ + 19% (269,11€) macht 1629,11€ dazu kommt noch Porto und die Anzahlung von 20€
Du hast bei der X1 Carbon Combo geschaut (mit AMS), da sind es die 1629€. Nur der X1 Carbon kostet das wie in der Tabelle angegeben.
Good summary. The real dilemma I see is whether the Bambulab models will hold up as well as the Mk3S+ in terms of wear/adjustment/etc. I've built a Voron 0.1 and my Mk3S+ and aside from a bearing issue with the Prusa (no, the linear bearings are NOT pre-lubricated lol) I haven't had any problems with either. I'm looking hard at the X1 Carbon just because it takes all the MIND-NUMBING and error-prone guesswork out of tuning resonance, pressure advance, and extrusion rates. I really, REALLY loved how the default profiles from Prusa just worked out of the box with their filament on the Mk3S+ but as soon as you want to move to something more useful like ASA or other engineering-grade (lol, I know) filaments, you have to go back and retune so many things that it becomes a real drag. I'm past the "I wanna build the kit to learn how this stuff works" and well into "get off my lawn, I just want it to print well all the time."
Warm regards from Texas and Merry Christmas. ;)
(not so warm here, though. Was 10F/-12C here last night.)
Tons of problems are already coming out with the X1. Check reddit, twitter, fb groups, etc. My friend just got his X1 last friday, and the same day the stepper motor went bad and he still hasn't heard back from bambu CS. Didn't even have 10 hours on it. Just another china made printer with china made parts and quality.
@@LilApe That's disappointing.
Bambu has been pretty transparent and open. They told the community that due to the Covid outbreak CS would be degraded and apologized in advance.
I have a KS unit, and the 2 times I've had to reach out I got responses in
@@seashadow5239 Interesting. Thanks for the feedback. ;)
Excellent video 🎉 I couldn’t justify picking up a P1P having a X-1 but it’s value is hard to ignore. 👌🏻👌🏻
Thanks a lot, mate! I double that - no need for me to have a P1P (printing a lot of ABS), but it's an appealing machine (naked and sexy...) in every respect!
@@247printing yea, I print ASA & ABS more than PLA these days, part of why I skipped the P1P. 👌🏻👌🏻
No joke the other day I was thinking about laser bed levelling, I tried googling it but couldn't find anything and now it's in this printer
It doesn't use a laser for bed leveling lol. It uses load cells. The nozzle just pushes into the bed to lvl itself.
Hello there! :D
wanted to ask you if you have made more progress in your speedprinting 3dprinter. really loved the videos of speedprinting
The next one is about that! Thanks for asking
Great comparison, thank you. As a channel just finishing up the 4th Voron build, I'm curious to see what I think of the P1P when I unbox it on New Years Day! Super excited!
Love my x1c but I can’t wait to get my trident started and finished really looking forward to my first voron.
Thank YOU for watching. You are one of those who just embraces 3D printing - love it!
Moin, there is also a video for the X1?
Servus! My last video compares the three top printers this year - including the X1C
Does the P1P use only steel nozzles? Can it use brass nozzles that also fit a CR10?
As a hobbyist I'm cautious about printers in closed ecosystems of parts. Given it has a fast growing following. I rather build a Voron and be able to purchase parts from more than one manufacturer. Also being able to upgrade to suit my needs. As a consumer my interest is peeked, but I've done the early DJI dance and was let down. Eventually they came out with products that resolved the issues created by their new design techniques. I would suggest the p1p or carbon to anyone who doesn't have time to put one together.
I love my bambulab X1CC , Prusa is a old Grandpa 🙂😄
With how well engineered the BambooLabs printers are, they could probably up the print size by quite a bit without having to sacrifice print quality or speed too much. I expect an X1C+ or X2C at some point 2023 with just a larger print size and probably more filament roll storage space on/within the printer.
in bambu's AMA on reddit, the ceo said that a future large format printdr wouldn't just be a scaled up x1c, they would add a lot more features, and redesign many parts.
@@morbus5726 even better!
I double that: Ingenious engineering there! I also think easy scaling the X1 to 300-350mm from a design point of view should be doable. The problem for a bigger sheet metal frame like this: Loads of investment for tools and assembly to do by Bambu Lab and it's a smaller market. Maybe 2023! I'd be excited!
Agreed…an X1 Carbon with a 350-360 build build plate to match the XL and it’s game over. I LOVE Prusa but the competition is heating up which is great for us consumers!
What do you think of the Reality K1?
From specs and price it looks promising, but I haven't received it yet, so I can't tell yet.
@@247printing Waiting with anticipation for your wisdom!
The Pampers😂 blooper got me going as I was literally carrying a used pampers to the trash when you said that and seriously thought for .2 sec you were seriously about to incorporate diapers to the Bambu 😂😂.
Merry Christmas, thanks again for the most insightful videos about Bambu on the internet! 😊
Hey Theodore! Merry Christmas - nice to have you here again and thanks a lot for watching to the end!
Bambu lab puts the Prusa in an odd position. The features of X1 is just another generation and tech compared to mk3 which offers waaay more features. I feel like if prusa made the X1 they would have priced it at least $2.5k for comparison you can see their barebone XL which is priced at 2k and its made of extrusions/3d printed parts and lacks features compared to X1
Fast forward 2 months. I just received my X1C carbon with AMS and i would like to say money well spent
Love my P1P, only issue I'm having right now, its not recognizing the camera at all. They should give the option buy the glass door and top for the p1p considering it's just a shell of the X1C.
You can buy the glass top I’ve already seen one with it applied on a Fb group looks really good
@@zachofalltrades1111 I'll have to check that out thanks!
Honestly if I were wanting a printer that just works without tinkering then I'd still recommend the prusa over the bambu lab. There's good slicer profiles for nearly every filament, there's better access to spares and the supply chain is there. It's a proven platform and the support is just miles better than what bambu lab have in place.
I think the bambu lab printers can take that spot away from prusa, but it's just not there yet.
the bambu printers also have profiles optimized for almost every filament, including bambu branded, generic, and polymaker.
The single issue I don't like about the Mk3 is the old-school nozzle. I find getting the 2-part nozzle and heat break seated properly incredibly difficult and I've ruined two different hotends because of blobs of doom caused by imperfectly seated nozzles. I think Prusa would be well advised to switch the Mk3 to the same nozzle the XL will be using.
@@davydatwood3158 I agree. While I have never damaged my hot end switching nozzles was always difficult and nerve-wracking. That's why I upgraded my prusa with a Revo system switching nozzles is so much easier. Prusa should just make them or something like it standard.
Prusa no longer has any secret sauce. Alot of printers now are on par or better. People using prusa's just don't know cause they've never really explored outside there box.
brillant video! My own personal opinion on the Bamboo Labs printers is that they are absoletly amazing high speed printers for a fairly reasonable price that is fairly fool prool and are great for the people who just want a printer that is high speed and just work with little to no tinkering/building required. However with that being said, i can say that for most people in the 3D printing community we will often spend more time on tinkering and upgrading our machines than spending time printing stuff. So it really down to the persons goal and what they want out of a printer to go with Bamboo Labs or others like prusa, voron, ratrig or even vzbots. I personally feel that the Bamboo labs are targeting more towards small businesses and engineering firms rather than everyday hobbiest printer guys, where they requires high reliability and fast print time and most importantly no tinkering, to just get prototying parts out.
Having been in the 3d printing world for over 7 years. I just want my printer to work as my time is now much more limited and i want to focus on designs not tinkering
That said i never buy a gen 1 product from a new company. Maybe in a few years tho.
I love tinkering and upgrading but holy fuck it gets annoying after a while especially when I need to get something printed asap
@@shiikon2193 yep that is why we need a reliable printer on the side
This vidoe is more a P1P comparison with X1C than really a P1P vs PRUSA... Which is great, because I was actually looking for videos of X1C vs P1P! :D
Thinking about it... Yes, you are right! I tried to set the P1P into perspective.
Thanks for the video! Please put up charts for longer or put in the description. Watching on a TV was not possible as paused the chart was covering key details. I had to swap to my phone
Thanks for the feedback, very precious and we've discussed this topic a lot internally - I was on the "pausing is always possible" side. You proof that wrong - I'll find ways to make this more enjoyable in the future!
@@247printing If you need any more on this, so we also tried to even take a picture of the graphs on the TV with our phones and it took three attempts as it was that fast. 1 missed completely 1 missing the last bar. Thanks again for the video!
Hi guys, please help me decide between a P1P and X1C. If I upgrade the P1P's head to a hardened steel version, and perhaps add DIY covers to have a kind of enclosed cabinet (I may also add some chamber heating) will I get the same results when printing higher temperature filaments, like nylon, carbon or ASA ? Without warping.
I understand I will miss the more comfortable control panel, but are there anything else I would miss and regret not buying the much more expensive X1C?
Well done Albert!!
Thank you! Merry Christmas, Oida.
Have a good Christmas 🎄
THANKS MAN. Merry Christmas and have a great new year!
I wounded if the prusa xl will be able to reach high enough speeds to be comparable.
Just wonder with those kind of speeds, will it beat itself to death? shorten its lifespan? and the unknown of reliability and durability? So many questions, new to this, so I have lots of Rookie questions.
Most of the parts on 3D printers are damn near bulletproof. I've been pushing my printers to their limits for years, and never had a non-consumable part fail. Stepper motors are near bulletproof, and as long as electronics are kept within their operating range, they'll last for many years. I've been running a few Ender 3's on Klipper so fast that they shake the heavy table they're on for 2 years. The only thing I've ever had to replace is rollers and a belt. The Bambu Labs printers are on linear rails, so don't have to worry about rollers.
Ordered one and really looking forward!
can you add a x1c camera on the p1p?
Check out the DIY chapter of this video - you'll find the answer :-)
MAN OH MAN! What great detail! Im a mechanical engineering student and you really tickled all my concerns in investing in this 3D printer, which is a good and bad thing. As I am a student, Im worried about investing all my hard earned money in a printer. Would you maybe have a recommendation on a 3D printer I could customize, make a enclosure and dismantle, whilst still printing at a good speed and quality and range of materials? Its a lot to ask for but there's so many choices that im a little overwhelmed.... XD
I also live in Austria, if that helps with a recommendation :)
Thank you for your effort and great quality for information!!!
mAnyone know if there's a reason to avoid buying a neptune 4 plus or something over a bambulab p1p? Other than a bit of troubleshooting on the neptune you still get crazy speeds and decent quality. Genuinely curious since a neptune is significantly cheaper and elegoo has pretty great customer support, I'm open to either option but I've got no interest in multimaterial single prints.
Great Video. Was fun to watch.
Hey Franz, there you are! Danke vielmals und dir frohe Weihnachten.
Nice video, those Bambulabs are insane!
Wouldn't the bambulab p1p be the best printfarm printer?
Depends on the material you want to print
@247printing but like pla and petg (and tpu) would be way faster for less money than a prusa
@@crazylolsbg So PLA and PETG? Sure! But don't expect to conveniently farm engineering grade materials like ABS
@@247printing the x1 would be good for that
@@crazylolsbg I know, I have two of them, but you asked about the P1P
Stopped using my Voron since my x1 arrived. No time for messing around.
I can understand that. Sometimes it's happy tinkering and sometimes it's just annoying messing, trial and error.
@@247printing especially for prototyping and production. Nothing is worse than babysitting z offset first layers.
Thanks for the Video! and what rainbow filament did you say you were using?
Thank you for watching! It’s Eryone Silk Rainbow 🌈 - link and discount code in the pinned comment 👍
@@247printing Thanks a ton!
Hi Albert,
I have a question.
Do you use 3d printing in your Job/company.
I work at electrical engineering for a Mining company and 3d printing is not a topic. Everything is in metal (mindestens 30mm Edelstahl).
3d printing is my hobby but I think that is a perfect tool for the industry.
What do you think?
Greetings
Hey, I personally don't use 3D printers on my jop directly - mostly use outlook, powerpoint, excel for planning/managing. The company I am working for (car manufacturer) uses all kinds of 3D printing though for prototyping, production and individualization.
@@247printing the same for me, office and cad software.
Our prototypes are always made of metal (CNC or Casting)
Richtig gutes Video! 👍 Hast Du Dein Weihnachtsschnaps ehrlich verdient! 🎄🍻Danke Dir und schöne Feiertage Dir und Deinen Lieben! 🖐️😃LG Ed
Danke dir! Das wünsche ich dir auch - weiter so mit deinen Modifikationen!
@@247printing Danke Albert, freut mich, dass es gut ankommt 🙏🖐️😀
What about direct drive vs. Boden? Can the P1P do flexible filament?
P1P is direct Drive - Same extrusion system as the X1 Series
Man, I love your videos. My P1P came in a few days ago. I was debating making an unboxing video but now I am debating doing a live stream since Uncle Jesse's machine had screen issues out of the box. As he said, it still could be user error. We will find out.
Thanks for the content.
Thanks a lot mate - have fun with your P1P! I totally fell in love with that naked bare look of the frame! I think I won't enclose it :-)
"Prusa just works." "Inch just works." Does not mean we cannot improve.
I have a laser printer. It prints my documents without having to tell it what speed to print, what temperature to use, etc. That's how I want my 3d printer. Notice how "I" want it. Bambu Labs is a step in this direction. Next, let's get A1 involved in the software so I get PERFECT prints every time, just like my laser printer.
Let’s see when we will be there!
What do you think about the prusa xl?
I think: Can't tell, have not tested it yet :-)
its a very nice printer indeed, however the fact you can't upgrade it step by step to be like its higher tier brother is a deal killer for me.
As someone who wants to print not build or work on printers, bamboo is the only choice. Build size is the only thing I waffle on, some of the huge format printers are enticing. Extrusion printers will have to outpace my mono X's before I leap in.
I’m still sticking to MK3S (even a clone) or Voron. I don’t want a closed box 3d printer. Your repairs and mods are controlled by Bambu. Your personal needs may differ. That’s fine.
🤣🤣🤣
What's the point of modding when a printer has almost every feature imaginable? It's the same reason why people don't usually mod prusas
@@morbus5726 Mods galore for Prusa i3s. Extruders, hot ends, bear frame, linear rails, revised printed parts for easier belt tensioning, fan duct for improved cooling, lighting. And more.
@@morbus5726 The point of modding is modding. If I take the time I've messed with my printer or printed anything then most of the time I have spent modding it. And its not because its not working. It's because I have no need to print anything but I like tinkering with stuff.
@@JohnOlson I would not buy a Prusa with the thought I'm going to mod it. Sorry, if I'm going to spend $800 to $1100, I don't want to tinker or mod anything. I just want it to work. Bambu with quality and speed combo is a no brainer. The cost is very good for what you get.
To say you're not a big fan of the cheaper p1p screen is akin to saying the same about the prusa screen. Just saying. All due respect.
A prusa xl themed enclosure would be hilarious.
I respect you so much for marking a line in the sand even though a diy creality kit from their site would be a great, no big expense way. I've never met a German who didn't like metal. I approve haha
Hard to compare the Prusa screen and the P1P screen: Different approaches: The encoder style on Prusa is faster and more convenient to use. Also less delays.
If you have the opportunity: Try to check out both to get a feeling!
@@247printing good point my friend.
When I switched from Ender 3 V2 with its big LCD color screen to the Prusa i3 MK3S+, I thought "what a screen downgrade !". I planned to ad a touch screen connected to my octoprint.
But after the first interactions with the controls, it's way better than the controls of the Ender 3 V2 itself. When you know it, it takes few seconds to do what you want to. It's very intuitive and effective. I will say even better than a touchscreen with a bad or just good UI.
After two years, I print with my Prusa several times a week and never put the touchscreen that I wanted to the first time...
By seeing the controls of the P1P, when you have the Prusa i3 experience, you know within a second that they are worse than the Prusa. Especially with theses buttons.
i hope bambu labs makes a printer with > 300mmx300mm print area.
It looks like Prusa is in an awkward spot right now. If you want a high end printer that works, you go Bambu. But if you want something that's a project, why not just go Voron or something like that?
A prusa mk3 kit can be a good entry point for a noob. Community is huge and the project is very very well documented. I'm not sure if a voron is a good idea as a first printer.
@@retrograpejuice yeah, voron isn't a great entry point into diy printers if you're green.
The MK3S kit is still good (and yet still cheaper than a V2 kit) if you want to ease yourself into a Voron. Sure, it's a slower bedslinger, but you get your experience building a more reliable machine than anything Creality ever spit out. I've had my MK3S for 3 years now, and the only thing it needs is some routine maintenance every now and then. I'm a hobbyist, so the MK3S suits my needs just fine.
I want to build a Voron 2.4 just for fun. I enjoyed the MK3 kit.
As soon as I saw that bambu was DJI led - I said that the rest of the 3d printing industry is completely screwed lol. They decimated the competition in the drone industry whilst turning it from a handful of DIYers playing around with fibreglass into a billion dollar a year industry that's now used in every form of life daily.
Around the same for me: They had full trust from my side for backing their Kickstarter after I realized their heritage.
Corexy is the trend and probably is the future. Print faster and take up less space. Prusa just need to step up a little bit.
when you said prusa killer I had to check the date this video was uploaded
why go prusa if you want DIY when you can go voron?
Exactly if you want to cheap diy ender clones, you want fast for reasonable price p1p and if you want diy and cheapish/expensive(depending on part sourcing) go voron.
The max bed temp of the X1 and X1 Carbon is actually 120C in the US (or any 120v region) Just tried it yesterday.
On their website it says 110v 120degrees and 220v goes to 100 i think
People complaining about "closed source" won't be using the same printer by the time closed source matters. Most people are going to sell and upgrade their printers in 3 to 5 years.
Honestly Prusa did kickstarted the personal 3d printer market, but shot its own leg by barely offering new innovation and just releasing the same thing again and again in different size over the years. Now all they left with are the whole 'open source' thing and its community, but even then, Chinese copy like Ender are slowly taking Prusa target market due to its lower price with similar quality.
I enjoy building and tinkering and upgrading almost as much as the printing process itself, I probably will end up with an X1 Carbon as my Prusa XL has been delayed again, I know that if I bought a P1P I would be forever kicking myself for not getting the X1.
Someone can explain me if the P1P got LIDAR or not ??? I can't found a clear answer ... i'm not a native english talker. I thik the X1C have LIDAR and the P1P and P1S haven't LIDAR ...
No it has not and that’s also not a problem
@@247printing Thanks
Great review. This is a pretty good machine. The Sovol SV06 is supposed to be a great Prusa MK3 clone. I won't have mine for a couple weeks. I have been a huge fan of Prusa since they came out, but there are a few newcomers that are stepping up
Thank you Paul!
The Sovol SV06 is very much LIKE a Prusa, but I'd describe it as an "early Beta of the MK3S" - it doesn't have a lot of the "nice to have" features of a MK3 (like filament run-out sensor or independent Z axis steppers - they're wired together - or the really user-friendly firmware). Still, for what they cost, they are a solid printer. I set up a profile in PrusaSlicer for the Sovol SV06 and it's been working great. If it wasn't for the screamin' PSU fan, it'd be almost silent, too.
Just got a X1-Carbon, but can't open it until christmas );
Can't wait tho! It'll be a HUGE upgrade from the Ender 3 v2 I have.
Your discount code is not valid for a lot of Eryone products (the bundle)
Thanks for the hint - I'll talk to Eryone!
@@247printing I can't find any link at all? Where is the code?
I'll never get a Bambu Lab printer for the simple reason that they are sending everyone and their dog free printers. If they can just throw them out for free, I don't see myself spending so much money on it.
I stopped using my Prusa ever since I got my 1XC, my Prusa feels antiquated now 😅
Psssst....: Me mostly too.... But I still use it for print comparisons and smaller parts
In my opinion at the positive site of Prusa is if you have to repair something you get the parts from the Market. For the p1p only from bambulab because all is proprietary. But overall i like the p1p, not much left to buy it.
The only thing that bothers me, is that many reviewers claim that the P1P/X1 is loud and shouldnt be in the same room as you most of the time. Like you already said. Since i have my gaming PC in the same room its important for me, that the printer is as quiet as it can be.
That's one of the advantages of the Prusa. It makes a fair amount of noise too, but if you first get a very heavy paving stone that's like 40x40cm squared and thick, and put that under it to soak up vibrations, that quiets it down a lot. If you then also add an enclosure, that will control the fan noise as well. I run my MK3 in my office space in a makeshift enclosure and I can live with the sound. Especially since i print PETG almost entirely; PETG doesn't need the maximum cooling PLA does, so the tiny fan doesn't have to spin at a gazillion rpm and howl its head off.
I run multiple prusa printers 5 inches away from me on the same desk where my gaming PC is set up. They sit on 1/2 rubber pads from home depot and they are just as quiet as when i use to have them sitting on a heavy concrete paver. I can sleep in the same rooms in my prusas. Cant do that with a bambu. even when running bambu at really slow speeds. Its just ridiculously loud for no reason.
Loudest thing are the resonances of the stepper motors - an easy fix for people who watch CNC Kitchen :-)
@@247printing change stepper drivers?
@@DoktorSkill stand it on a resonance absorbing surface
I wouldn't have found my way here if I was able to get my new Ender 3 Max with Sprite Extruder Pro and CL Touch working. But now, seeing what new tech (like this and the FLSUN V400) is available, maybe that was for the best ...