“Loyalty” -Dutch *doesn’t save Arthur from colm* *doesn’t save Kieran from colm* *doesn’t care about molly even when she dies* *doesn’t save John from prison* *doesn’t kill micah after he finds out he was the rat* *Stays with Micah a guy he’s know half a year instead of Arthur a guy he’s knowned for 20 years* Some loyalty
he would have saved arthur and kieran for sure if he had the chance to do so couse that happened before the breaking point (death of Hosea) before hosea died arthurs and his opinion outweighed the one of micah 2:1 in dutch's ear. Dutch picked micah in the end couse he was the only one who was still ''loyal'' to him and didnt question his acts and change of personality
7:58 This reminds me of when Micah was in prison and there was “talk” of them hanging him and Dutch BEGGED Arthur to rescue him...then there’s talk of hanging John and he’s like nah it was just TALK
I like the way Arthur challenges Dutch's transition into insanity, every step of the way he questions his motives in an and shows him that he's not afraid of him.
@@moonie1825 the best shooter rank goes to probably Micah. Charles is the big guy nobody should mess with. Arthur is someone with all these in but not necessarily the best in each.
Jaie Antoniano Lmao, Arthur is best all around. He’s Senior Gun. Meanwhile Micah couldn’t even hit John after having the drop on him for at least five seconds.
Dutch goes apeshit on Arthur for rescuing John from prison because it will attract the pinkertons. Also Dutch just a mission later, kills Cornwall in the open and gets into a shootout with them. "We NeEd NoIsE NoW ArThUr!1!1!"
@@windowsVD Except he forgot that he just recently fed one of the prominent figures to the gators, did he seriously think the law won't increase the security after that? The law isn't dumb you know, Dutch.
@@windowsVD Idk, Milton says he only picks Micah up after Guarma. The whole rat/traitor thing is a messy topic Rockstar tried to tackle. I don't really see how a gang member ratting them out gonna affect the failed bank robbery with all the shit they caused in St.Denis
Arthur is a legend of the west. He had the quickest draw. He killed legendary gunslingers. He killed legendary animals. He survived a sinking ship. He survived guarma. He won a fistfight against Tommy. Even when he is sick Micah can’t fight him unless he gets the jump on him (he tackles him on the mountain or backstabs him in the cave) . Even when Arthur was sick, he could have beaten Micah if he didn’t get the jump cause in the cave you cut his eye and he doesnt do anything to you unless you have low honor.
@@benheron775 Same thing with the mission where Arthur and Micah point the guns at each other. If the Pinkertons didn't show up, I really think Arthur could have talked more to Dutch. :(
@@pedroroque829 it was Micah who made this whole thing fall apart though. Dutch had a silver tongue, no doubt, but as he got older he was easier to manipulate. Micah too, had that very same silver tongue ability, and took the opportunity to manipulate an old and weakening Dutch. Hosea, Dutch, and Arthur were the founding 3 of the gang, so they SHOULD have the strongest, most unbreakable bond (You can see the picture in his rest area in chapter 2, it describes Hosea as the talker, Arthur as the muscle, and Dutch as the 'authority') Dutch started to loose his faith, and mind (I believe) after he met Micah. (Who btw, was only with the gang for like, 3-4 months at the start of the game...so why is he so invested in it all/everyone??)
@@leighwakeham3735 100%. A loud mouth and nothing more. You can see how eager he is to draw right after finishing the sentence but Arthur is already in a shooting position by the time Micah even reaches for his gun. So much happening in the cutscene but I love this little detail.
@@zilhad3584 necro, but when sean was killed he shot and killed 3 people immediately before anyone else. dude was crazy skilled, but arthur is in another league.
I cant tell If you think arthur was being serious or not... Hey people are that fucking stupid these days and have literally no idea what trolling is...
20:57 it breaks my heart that Mrs.Grimshaw, a loyal woman who stayed to the very end had to grab a weapon because she knew what was coming. In that moment she knew everything was falling apart, and it was every man for themselves. Once the camp housekeeper, now arming herself to fight for herself and what was right.
Quotes from Dutch "The Plan" Van Der Linde. "We need...more Moneh." "I had a goddamn...PLAN!" "My boy, I didn't have a choice." "Tahiti" "John...insists?" Best One...Grimshaw gets shot, Dutch ignores it. "Now! Who amongst you is with me and who, is betraying me?!"
Insist vs I got a plan vs Scarface vs Black lung vs Cowpoke vs Tahiti vs We need more money vs Jim Milton vs They was talking vs Hang vs Rat face vs more.....
Dutch definitely cared for Hosea. I believe when Hosea died, Dutch, suffering from grief, plus his not great mental state, and Micah, completely lost his sanity.
@Krystal Giove Charles is clearly a "good guy" but he is set up with a backstory that means you have to like him and he always does the "good" thing so he has no real complexity. Plus he is kinda boring ngl.
@Suni Victor Yeah but Charles has been a victim all his life, always does his best not to kill anyone, always wants to help everyone out, etc. This is no moral dilemma with him. He is just a good guy that you are clearly supposed to like.
13:53 I really like this moment, when Arthur finally grows some balls to talk to Dutch like that. Arthur’s had enough and he just wants people to survive and he’s trying so hard to get Dutch to understand that.
19:27 I’ve seen this scene many times but I never noticed this: Dutch in the middle, Arthur wearing blue on his right trying to make him to do the right thing and Micah on his left in red persuading him to satisfy his temptations. The symbolism and the contrast here is just a piece of art. PS: I realise that we can change Arthur’s outfit, but ideally Arthur would be wearing his Blue shirt without the coat since its warm and Dutch isn’t wearing his coat either.
I like it too. It portrays Micah dressed in red as the Devil in Dutch’s ear. Twisting him and manipulating him into the kind of person he himself despised. Arthur, dressed in blue being the reasonable Angel on Dutch’s shoulder but try as he might he’s being tuned out by Dutch’s ego and Micah’s twisted words
@@FMM8Channel Yes, I edited it as soon as I saw your reply. Every single person who saw and liked this comment before you was living ignorant of ability of changing outfits in the game. Grow up.
Spoilers below, but I have no basis for this theory other than at the Trolley at 3:27. Dutch, being out of options, desperately needs money, gets on the trolley to escape, a good idea if not for the fact that the brake system being faulty. When it crashed, Dutch said he took a bump on the head, Arthur and Lenny both ask him if he's fine, to which he says he's fine, (Dutch obviously isn't). There have been multiple real life cases of head trauma where someone turns into a completely different person. I want to say Dutch suffered major brain damage (no joke) during that escape from the failed mission and coupled with the fact that he was betrayed by Bronte, set him off the path of no return and turned him into a more cynical and nastier version of Dutch. He starts taking risks he otherwise wouldn't have, he forgets about the Pinkertons being modern detectives and focuses on Faith and Loyalty to the gang (thanks in no small part to Micah).
Can't disagree about the brain damage aspect. But, the game makes it pretty clear Dutch started losing it with Micah's help well before RDR2 starts. His focus on revenge and cold-blooded killing started before with the Blackwater Incident, and only got worse as he unravelled under duress.
exactly everything was important on dutch personality change.. micah whispering on his ear, the brain damage, the deaths of hosea, lenny and sean.. GUARMA.. @@mastoner20
I still liked Javier even when he went with Dutch because in the scene at the end you can see him hesitant to point his gun at John and Arthur, and he doesn’t even do it. He just points his gun at the sky.
In the original script he was pointing the gun at Arthur like the rest. The voice actor of Javier basically begged the developers to change it because he went “my character has to be a good guy!!”. So honestly I don’t really count that as canon.
One thing I hated about this game was how Arthur just dropped the fact I left him to die! All I had to do was say “i diD nO SuCH ThiNG” and that was the end of that
I think it’s because Arthur wasn’t entirely sure if Dutch actually did leave him. He even says “it happened so fast I’m not sure” shortly after it happened
Quotes from Arthur Morgan... "All them years Dutch...for this snake?" "In the end Micah...despite my best efforts to the contrary...it turns out I won." "John made it... he's the only one. The rest of us...no, but...I tried. In the end...I did." "Get out there and be a Goddamn man!" "Hah...you alright there boah?"
Damn. Give this Arthur figure an Oscar. I’m not one to cry easily, but I felt my face all hot when he said to the nun he was scared of dying and felt my face all cold when he said “I insist” to Dutch. It’s amazing how videogames can express that level of drama.
Micah is one of detestable characters ever made. After the epilogue, I went and shot, burnt, put a dynamite on his body. Didn't even bother picking up his gun. I was so mad.
I still find it so fucking awesome that Arthur had his gun out quicker than anyone in the camp standoff could even process it. Truly the fastest gun in the West
5:35 Low honor. High honour is "what about the women?" 13:56 that's also low honor High honour says "I'm worried about folk" 4:34 High honour says "are you going to strangle me next"
When Dutch agrees with Micah to not go after Abigail and help her and Arthur is trying to convince him is so upsetting. The way Arthur says "Dutch!" is so desperate.
That’s when he finally lost faith in Dutch, but he still had that tiny shred of love convince him to try and save Dutch by revealing Micah’s treachery. Even in the end as he dies he still tries to reason with Dutch and remind him how he gave his entire life for him.
The last real strand of Dutch and Arthur as they were before was "Are you feeling alright, Arthur?" (12:09) Everything went right to hell after that between them.
I remember my first singleplayer run, the last chapter was very intense and stressful, I love how you just don't know as much as arthur if you should consider yourself betrayed or if you're seen as the betraying one. Micah and Dutch hiding more then discussion, people of the camp siding or not with you Being in the camp in the dark scenery of Roanoke Ridge got me full paranoïd, this chapter was just perfectly putted on by R*.
4:34 Does this like change depending on your honor? Because I had high honor and Arthur said, “are you gonna strangle me next?” Instead of saying something about them being rotten
There are small bits of dialog changes depending on honor, especially in the later chapters. The ones that stick out are Arthur talking with John on the train tracks and Sadie talking to Arthur after they kill the rest of the O'Driscolls.
It's sad that Arthur admired Dutch and saw him as an older brother. Arthur put all his trust in Dutch and in the end Arthur realized who he looked up to wasn't who he thought he was.
I can’t believe how good a manipulator Micah is. Dutch didn’t seem to think for a second that Arthur was onto something!! Makes me wanna play this game again, such a crazy story
12:12 It blow my mind how Dutch just refused to accept something so extremely obvious from Arthur. At this point of the story, like, yeah how could Dutch not realize that they are, indeed, not good at pulling off big scores anymore. They're in a clear position of weakness, their last plans have all backfired horribly. Its time to just slink away like a wounded animal.
Why is Micah wearing a white hat and Arthur a dark hat? In many westerns, the man with the white hat is the hero, while the man with the darker hat is the bad guy.
it’s probably a bit of irony on rockstars part or they just didn’t think much of it. but if you wanna look deeper into it it could symbolize how for pretty much all of chapter 6 dutch treats micah like his right hand man/the good guy and arthur like a traitor, when it’s really the other way around.
Dutch at the end of the game looks absolutely terrifying like the goodness in him is gone he has no more patience and keeps getting more paranoid and making up his own scenarios in his head and seeing Arthur doubt him and knowing he is dying to made him lose it even more
18:04 The moment it dropped on Dutch the fact he had no control over Arthur no more. He was insisting on decisions for the gang instead of suggesting, or just blindly following Dutch's orders.
“Loyalty” -Dutch
*doesn’t save Arthur from colm*
*doesn’t save Kieran from colm*
*doesn’t care about molly even when she dies*
*doesn’t save John from prison*
*doesn’t kill micah after he finds out he was the rat*
*Stays with Micah a guy he’s know half a year instead of Arthur a guy he’s knowned for 20 years*
Some loyalty
he would have saved arthur and kieran for sure if he had the chance to do so couse that happened before the breaking point (death of Hosea) before hosea died arthurs and his opinion outweighed the one of micah 2:1 in dutch's ear. Dutch picked micah in the end couse he was the only one who was still ''loyal'' to him and didnt question his acts and change of personality
Have some goddamn faith!
>john is literally about to be hanged
"i HaVe'Nt sEnT FoR yOu YeT"
Doesn't save Arthur in the Cornwall factory either...
To be fair I'm pretty sure Dutch would have tried to save Arthur from Colm.
Look at what he did to get Jack and Sean back
7:58
This reminds me of when Micah was in prison and there was “talk” of them hanging him and Dutch BEGGED Arthur to rescue him...then there’s talk of hanging John and he’s like nah it was just TALK
Hosea and Arthur told Dutch and he needed to hear, Micah what he WANTED to hear....And he listened.
Fallen Battlefront dutch lost it when hosea died
Not only that, Micah immediately shot up the town, which got them noticed, but Arthur got John out easily.
@@luke8801 "easily" After shooting half of all the prison guards who worked there
@@julianvdr8808 they started it not arthur
I like the way Arthur challenges Dutch's transition into insanity, every step of the way he questions his motives in an and shows him that he's not afraid of him.
Why would he be afraid of him? He's the best gun in the gang.
At the moment yes later on it’s John
@@moonie1825 the best shooter rank goes to probably Micah. Charles is the big guy nobody should mess with. Arthur is someone with all these in but not necessarily the best in each.
@Suni Victor Micah is the best gunslinger in the gang. Arthur is supposed to be the best with rifles
Jaie Antoniano Lmao, Arthur is best all around. He’s Senior Gun. Meanwhile Micah couldn’t even hit John after having the drop on him for at least five seconds.
Micah: I’m as fit as a fiddle he says as his gut flops over his belt.
Lord Sauron lol I know
APG95 We know Micah is not one of them
Bet you're fatter than him
@@gratdalton868 Well he ain't making the claim that he's "as fit as a fiddle"
Sarken better question is how he hides it
Dutch saying “daddy” is terrifying.
Ikr
Benthegamer time stamp please I can’t seem to find it
@@fnscar.g 1:40
"Well, mark me down as scared AND horny"
@Ranch DuBois *_Hold up_*
Dutch goes apeshit on Arthur for rescuing John from prison because it will attract the pinkertons.
Also Dutch just a mission later, kills Cornwall in the open and gets into a shootout with them. "We NeEd NoIsE NoW ArThUr!1!1!"
Because he's a narcissistic hypocrite that doesn't like his authority being challenged.
Dutch wanted to let John rot because he also suspected that he was a traitor. You can see him doubting John's loyalty during the Guarma missions.
@@windowsVD Except he forgot that he just recently fed one of the prominent figures to the gators, did he seriously think the law won't increase the security after that? The law isn't dumb you know, Dutch.
@@berrypower1234 Except Dutch was correct that there was a traitor, it's just that it wasn't John.
@@windowsVD Idk, Milton says he only picks Micah up after Guarma. The whole rat/traitor thing is a messy topic Rockstar tried to tackle. I don't really see how a gang member ratting them out gonna affect the failed bank robbery with all the shit they caused in St.Denis
Arthur is a legend of the west. He had the quickest draw. He killed legendary gunslingers. He killed legendary animals. He survived a sinking ship. He survived guarma. He won a fistfight against Tommy. Even when he is sick Micah can’t fight him unless he gets the jump on him (he tackles him on the mountain or backstabs him in the cave) . Even when Arthur was sick, he could have beaten Micah if he didn’t get the jump cause in the cave you cut his eye and he doesnt do anything to you unless you have low honor.
Legend of the east* I'm the legend of the west
John Marston Haha true
@Arthur Morgan ah shit, here we go again
@@keithgreen69 wait, u have the exact name as me and profile picture, are we t-twins?
well in the save john ending if dutch wasn't coming arthur would've still win
" I tried... in the end I did.."
Heartbreaking
It hurts......it hurts😑
“I gave you all I had....I did”
I cried real tears, big F
John won..... He's the only one...
The way Arthur says "Look at me" at 13:51 and then says it again.. You can tell how much he really cared about Dutch..
I feel like if the conversation were to play out longer Arthur may have been able to open Dutchs eyes, shame the army interrupted
@@benheron775 Same thing with the mission where Arthur and Micah point the guns at each other. If the Pinkertons didn't show up, I really think Arthur could have talked more to Dutch. :(
He loved Dutch like he was his Father.
@@avapilsen More like if John didn't show up. I think Dutch would be on Arthur side if John didn't show up
@@pedroroque829 it was Micah who made this whole thing fall apart though.
Dutch had a silver tongue, no doubt, but as he got older he was easier to manipulate.
Micah too, had that very same silver tongue ability, and took the opportunity to manipulate an old and weakening Dutch.
Hosea, Dutch, and Arthur were the founding 3 of the gang, so they SHOULD have the strongest, most unbreakable bond (You can see the picture in his rest area in chapter 2, it describes Hosea as the talker, Arthur as the muscle, and Dutch as the 'authority')
Dutch started to loose his faith, and mind (I believe) after he met Micah. (Who btw, was only with the gang for like, 3-4 months at the start of the game...so why is he so invested in it all/everyone??)
I love how everyone just ignored Grimshaw being shot.
They didn't want to get distracted and end up like her lol
Wise decision I guess.
Cody Bell how do
Cody Bell stfu
@Cody Bell she wasnt too baf
20:52 i love the fact that as Micah goes for his revolver Arthur already has his out. just shows how good of a gunslinger he really is
Also shows how good of a gunslinger Micah wasn't, I mean even during the Mexican standoff in the American Venom final mission.
@@leighwakeham3735 Nah
Micah is a real good gunman
And he was sick asf during that time
@@leighwakeham3735 100%. A loud mouth and nothing more. You can see how eager he is to draw right after finishing the sentence but Arthur is already in a shooting position by the time Micah even reaches for his gun. So much happening in the cutscene but I love this little detail.
@@zilhad3584 necro, but when sean was killed he shot and killed 3 people immediately before anyone else. dude was crazy skilled, but arthur is in another league.
*DoEs tHiS TrOlLeY gO To TaHiTi?*
Everywere but Guarma
Of fuckin course the trolley don't. It just leads to dutch leavin men behind. The chuckle fuck he is
When Arthur said that I was laughing for so long
I cant tell If you think arthur was being serious or not...
Hey people are that fucking stupid these days and have literally no idea what trolling is...
David Warren no, just you’re the dumb one
In rdr1 Arthur’s words finally hit Dutch when he said “time for folks like us has passed” then Dutch tells John the same thing
Have you ate your chicken?
@@epokepok8019 of course
@@kingperc6834 The character development here is phenomenal
20:57 it breaks my heart that Mrs.Grimshaw, a loyal woman who stayed to the very end had to grab a weapon because she knew what was coming. In that moment she knew everything was falling apart, and it was every man for themselves. Once the camp housekeeper, now arming herself to fight for herself and what was right.
She stood by Arthur because she know that the gang isn't what it used to be and it's the correct decision to side with the reasonable ones
@@Bestow3000 Sad she had to die for standing against the unreasonable.
@@ozero00rockon
It would've been great to see Miss Grimshaw's life after the incident. Probably not long left to live but still great.
dutch watches micah shoot the shit out of susan
also dutch: WHO AMONGST YOU IS WITH ME AND WHO IS BETRAYING ME?
This comment right here was what I was just thinking when Dutch said that. I mean DUTCH YOU JUST SAW HIM KILL HER. @alpple_juice
Quotes from Dutch "The Plan" Van Der Linde.
"We need...more Moneh."
"I had a goddamn...PLAN!"
"My boy, I didn't have a choice."
"Tahiti"
"John...insists?"
Best One...Grimshaw gets shot, Dutch ignores it.
"Now! Who amongst you is with me and who, is betraying me?!"
Revolution 161 hey
@@juanpabloponce9334 Yes Dutch.
Can’t forget “Yeah Well fuck you then!”
Don't forget "I just need more time"
Don't u mean.. Dutch Plan Der Linde?
It's obvious Uncle's *L U M B A G O* was holding this gang back
Nah it reinforced it
Everything fell apart after uncle left
baskingBall After pearson and uncle left Dutch fully lost his mind. Everyone was leaving and he just couldn’t handle it.
Uncle is one of my favorite characters
Give it a rest, Marlo
in 20:52 you can see arthur is faster than micah to draw even he is sick and dying.
Micah actually kinda chunky tho
Obviously, its ma boah Arthur Morgan
He could have lumbago and TB and still be quicker
Dawgz Btz Uncle can kick his ass 3 Ways to *TAHITI*
Arthur can see in slow motion due to his dead eye ability, that's why.
Yeah coz Arthur was slowly pressing R2
He insists?
You got a problem with that, Dutch?
You implore me?
Sure whatever you want buddy
He have a goddamn plan!!!! Arthur: Alright I will catch later then
@@kevingallagher7426 impressivd words
Dutch: I hAvE a PlAn
Arthur: Always Dutch
Dutch:You BeTraYeD Meeeeeeeeee
hm
Or John questioned that
“ what plan what goddamn plan”
Delete it, NoW
@@BlackMonke862 you are not real
@@Spacenight0 I'm a plan. Of course I'm not Dutch
0:46 When you got solid lawmen, liquid lawmen and gas lawmen after you.
Someone posted that on Facebook.
Imagine Lawbringers from For Honor in this game
Oh I get it.
can you please explain im dumb
@Angry WADA He’s referring to states of matter.
Holy shit, that is gold.
Well, at least he didn't implore him. I'm sure Bill would've overheard and had a few words to say to Arthur.
I get the reference but John says that in read dead 1 not Arthur 😂😂😂
Insist vs I got a plan vs Scarface vs Black lung vs Cowpoke vs Tahiti vs We need more money vs Jim Milton vs They was talking vs Hang vs Rat face vs more.....
You IMPLORE me??
I implores YOU
"You sound like Hosea, I miss...him."
This line sounded incredibly sad and it broke me.
Dutch definitely cared for Hosea. I believe when Hosea died, Dutch, suffering from grief, plus his not great mental state, and Micah, completely lost his sanity.
5:39 this hits hard, just looking at Dutch's face and how he sighs thinking about him, this game is a masterpiece
19:00 hurts so bad
arthur’s desperation when he says dutch he’s begging him to do the right thing
Charles is undoubtedly one of Rockstar’s best characters.
True he is my third fav character
He’s so dull tho
Artur: Say something interesting Charles. Oh wait... you can't! LOL
@Krystal Giove Charles is clearly a "good guy" but he is set up with a backstory that means you have to like him and he always does the "good" thing so he has no real complexity. Plus he is kinda boring ngl.
@Suni Victor Yeah but Charles has been a victim all his life, always does his best not to kill anyone, always wants to help everyone out, etc. This is no moral dilemma with him. He is just a good guy that you are clearly supposed to like.
13:53 I really like this moment, when Arthur finally grows some balls to talk to Dutch like that. Arthur’s had enough and he just wants people to survive and he’s trying so hard to get Dutch to understand that.
⭐Best Character⭐Ever⭐
Arthur always had the balls but he was to loyal
He had balls the size of a water melon and it doubled after he said he insisted upon it.
19:27 I’ve seen this scene many times but I never noticed this: Dutch in the middle, Arthur wearing blue on his right trying to make him to do the right thing and Micah on his left in red persuading him to satisfy his temptations. The symbolism and the contrast here is just a piece of art.
PS: I realise that we can change Arthur’s outfit, but ideally Arthur would be wearing his Blue shirt without the coat since its warm and Dutch isn’t wearing his coat either.
I like it too.
It portrays Micah dressed in red as the Devil in Dutch’s ear. Twisting him and manipulating him into the kind of person he himself despised.
Arthur, dressed in blue being the reasonable Angel on Dutch’s shoulder but try as he might he’s being tuned out by Dutch’s ego and Micah’s twisted words
You know that you can change outfits right?
@@FMM8Channel You know you can tap on the “read more”, right?
@@changefullstew3649 nice edit, its amazing how far people reach for symbolism on everything in this game
@@FMM8Channel Yes, I edited it as soon as I saw your reply. Every single person who saw and liked this comment before you was living ignorant of ability of changing outfits in the game. Grow up.
4:40 "I'm doing the best I can" It's almost as if the laughter was in Dutch's head as he was descending to madness
Spoilers below, but I have no basis for this theory other than at the Trolley at 3:27. Dutch, being out of options, desperately needs money, gets on the trolley to escape, a good idea if not for the fact that the brake system being faulty. When it crashed, Dutch said he took a bump on the head, Arthur and Lenny both ask him if he's fine, to which he says he's fine, (Dutch obviously isn't). There have been multiple real life cases of head trauma where someone turns into a completely different person. I want to say Dutch suffered major brain damage (no joke) during that escape from the failed mission and coupled with the fact that he was betrayed by Bronte, set him off the path of no return and turned him into a more cynical and nastier version of Dutch. He starts taking risks he otherwise wouldn't have, he forgets about the Pinkertons being modern detectives and focuses on Faith and Loyalty to the gang (thanks in no small part to Micah).
That's a really good theory!
Mixed with the fact that Dutch starts thinking Arthur & John are trying to ditch him towards to end.
Can't disagree about the brain damage aspect. But, the game makes it pretty clear Dutch started losing it with Micah's help well before RDR2 starts. His focus on revenge and cold-blooded killing started before with the Blackwater Incident, and only got worse as he unravelled under duress.
exactly everything was important on dutch personality change.. micah whispering on his ear, the brain damage, the deaths of hosea, lenny and sean.. GUARMA.. @@mastoner20
but my doubting side also agrees with these theory
lunchbox997 CTE
I still liked Javier even when he went with Dutch because in the scene at the end you can see him hesitant to point his gun at John and Arthur, and he doesn’t even do it. He just points his gun at the sky.
He still leaves Arthur and John to die. I like him, but he was loyal to the wrong people.
In the original script he was pointing the gun at Arthur like the rest. The voice actor of Javier basically begged the developers to change it because he went “my character has to be a good guy!!”. So honestly I don’t really count that as canon.
@@defearl Source: trust me bru
@@tetraxis3011 im pretty sure i heard it somewhere so
@@tetraxis3011
That's what the actor said himself lol look it up
One thing I hated about this game was how Arthur just dropped the fact I left him to die! All I had to do was say “i diD nO SuCH ThiNG” and that was the end of that
Dutch PLAAAAAANNNNN Der Linde well you did and yes that is by far one of the worst parts about Dutch
If you say so.
Oh, right. Just dandy.
I think it’s because Arthur wasn’t entirely sure if Dutch actually did leave him. He even says “it happened so fast I’m not sure” shortly after it happened
Might have been a bad time to bring it up considering circumstances
Quotes from Arthur Morgan...
"All them years Dutch...for this snake?"
"In the end Micah...despite my best efforts to the contrary...it turns out I won."
"John made it... he's the only one. The rest of us...no, but...I tried. In the end...I did."
"Get out there and be a Goddamn man!"
"Hah...you alright there boah?"
“you sir, are a fish” Arthur Morgan 1899
@@mrs_chinArthur: I tried. In the end I did.
"Does this trolley go to tahiti?"
-Arthur Morgan 1899
Gang member- "Who's there?"
Arthur-"It's Arthur, you dumbass"
“That’s, my, boooah heh heh!”
Damn. Give this Arthur figure an Oscar. I’m not one to cry easily, but I felt my face all hot when he said to the nun he was scared of dying and felt my face all cold when he said “I insist” to Dutch. It’s amazing how videogames can express that level of drama.
Micah is one of detestable characters ever made. After the epilogue, I went and shot, burnt, put a dynamite on his body. Didn't even bother picking up his gun. I was so mad.
Look at it like this: Arthur is granted a burial at a picturesque location while Micah is left to rot in the cold wastes.
All my shots at him went into his crotch area.
@@DarkoRavens well deserved for Micah LOL , im at camp still and I torture MIcah every chance i get XD
@@Blubableful lmao i did the same
@@Blubableful LOL, as funny as that is it's also hilarious to shoot the fuck out of his face and see him try to walk away almost without a head!
hearing dutch say daddy all slow and quietly makes me feel like im in an awkward situation
I just wanted to back away and not look back
@@brothersofpanda2702 hahahah made my day
I still find it so fucking awesome that Arthur had his gun out quicker than anyone in the camp standoff could even process it.
Truly the fastest gun in the West
Wasn't that Doc Holliday?
He knows no Spanish, but he knows Human Beings lmaooooo
Micah on his side, biggest of humanity...
4:30
I know English and Spanish, but i never understand hints...
@@evangelicae_rationis ¿que és uxiono?
@@venomvevenom esta
7:41 *voice cracks* “PLAN!”
P L A Y N !
Jake Poll I dint know that
Jake Poll P L A N
M U N E H
Perfect delivery. What a great voice actor.
3:08 “Ladies and gentlemen this is a robbery!” Loved that line
Me too
MEEE THERRREEEE
I replay the game just to spend it antagonizing Dutch and Micah now.
That's quite a plan dutch
agent Milton lmaooooo. Look who showed up? Loool
What do you want agent moron
agent Milton Didn’t Abigail shoot you
THIS is quite a cast we got ourselves here.
@@bobafittness1346 Although, I don't quite recognise you...
13:58, kind of wish they army didn’t cut off the argument, Arthur maybe could’ve had a chance to change Dutch
You know the scenes where Micah and Arthur arguing over each of Dutch's shoulders reminds me of the Angel and the Devil.
There is no boring rdr2 video.
I have a plan
@@carollo7378 are you sure you're alright Dutch?
Mango thaiti bunga bunga
MrBossFTW
Except for MrbossFTW
5:35 Low honor.
High honour is "what about the women?"
13:56 that's also low honor
High honour says "I'm worried about folk"
4:34 High honour says "are you going to strangle me next"
The look on Arthur's face @ 19:41 nearly broke my heart
When Dutch agrees with Micah to not go after Abigail and help her and Arthur is trying to convince him is so upsetting. The way Arthur says "Dutch!" is so desperate.
That’s when he finally lost faith in Dutch, but he still had that tiny shred of love convince him to try and save Dutch by revealing Micah’s treachery. Even in the end as he dies he still tries to reason with Dutch and remind him how he gave his entire life for him.
The last real strand of Dutch and Arthur as they were before was "Are you feeling alright, Arthur?" (12:09) Everything went right to hell after that between them.
Nah their relationship was pretty much broken by this point, it broke further when he abandoned Arthur, John and Abigail.
John... insist...
He insists....
Yes i insist
I implores you
I hear Tahiti is a magical place.
I understood that reference
Coulson did before Dutch haha
Who told you that?
It's a magical........place.......
Tahiti has cannibals.. I bet becoming a meal sounds magical
The irony of Micah saying “I want to live” despite almost every action being suicidal like shooting up a whole town twice
Javiar Doesn't aim at anyone in the final scene because he wants them to all be together, he truly saw everyone as his family
Then you clearly dont understand his character. He also called charles a rat.
Dude did aim at John btw
Dutch: we will survive
*Arthur, Lenny, Hosea, Kieran, Sean died*
Davey, John and Dutch himself
Javier, bill, mac, jenny, karen, and abigail also
They all did except Charles, Sadie, and Jack.
Andoion Malvon and Mary Beth
@@andoionmalvon5328 you forgot pearson
I remember my first singleplayer run, the last chapter was very intense and stressful, I love how you just don't know as much as arthur if you should consider yourself betrayed or if you're seen as the betraying one.
Micah and Dutch hiding more then discussion, people of the camp siding or not with you
Being in the camp in the dark scenery of Roanoke Ridge got me full paranoïd, this chapter was just perfectly putted on by R*.
Yeah remember that time, when Arthur says "I insist" once and Dutch responds with "Tahiti"? Man that sure was a memorable conversation
There was talk of hanging me.
They was talking, THEY WAS TALKING
I wheezed
This is why nobody should post comments acting as a character cause they're gonna change it later on and it won't make sense
I meaaaaan, I didn’t wanna be John forever lol.
What I dont understand is why Dutch is mad at JOHN for being back. What was he supposed to do? Say no to them rescuing him?
18:00 I just realised Dutch says "I will see too it" he's referring to later on when John gets shot and dutch leaves him
4:34
Does this like change depending on your honor? Because I had high honor and Arthur said, “are you gonna strangle me next?” Instead of saying something about them being rotten
Yep, exactly
There are small bits of dialog changes depending on honor, especially in the later chapters. The ones that stick out are Arthur talking with John on the train tracks and Sadie talking to Arthur after they kill the rest of the O'Driscolls.
@@unc54 also at 13:56 he says "I'm worried bout folk" instead of this iirc
Damn, Dutch freefalling into insanity is hurting. Seeing someone you know and love fall into the heart of darkness is just... I dont know.
I love how even when Micah goes for his gun first to surprise Arthur, Arthur is still the faster draw
12:17
“Are you feeling alright arthur?”
No dutch. Do i look alright? Im literally dying in case you havent noticed.
at 21:22 you can see in Dutch's eyes that he knew everything he had worked for was just swept out from under him
It's sad that Arthur admired Dutch and saw him as an older brother. Arthur put all his trust in Dutch and in the end Arthur realized who he looked up to wasn't who he thought he was.
9:30 Micha at his worst. You can literally see the rat-like behavior.
Also Dutch still having some form of resistance when Micah suggests leaving "the weak" behind
"Ain't Nobody gonna die!" - Dutch
Me: Literally everybody dies in the end...
Arthur: ThErES AlWayS A *GoDdAMN TRaiN*
BIG SMOKE: *OHHHHHHH MAH DOG*
i insist you make a comment here with the quote you remember the most
HoTop GaminG i have a plan for my quote :D
-What about loyalty?
-Be loyal to what matters.
Sidakun who lives in Tahití?
Where’s my muneh boah
Insist you insist
Arthur got so shook when it came to jack and that just makes me love/respect him more
9:15
Micah: "Best thing we can do is let the weak go"
Dutch: "That ain't happening"
Also Dutch: 19:33
It's always refreshing to see someone who didn't play Arthur as a neckbeard.
Arthur and Dutch are like one of the best examples of "either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself a villain"
4:00 you can literally see arthurs view of dutch change in his face at that moment.
2:39 Lenny is so fucking precious, that sneaky little skip lmao
I can’t believe how good a manipulator Micah is. Dutch didn’t seem to think for a second that Arthur was onto something!! Makes me wanna play this game again, such a crazy story
I love how Dutch repeats insist like he doesnt know what the meaning is
@Everlasting Gamer ik but the way he said it is so funny
When Hosea died, Dutch forgot that a real leader leads by the consent of the lead. Instead he became just a two bit tyrant and his gang fell apart.
Dutch was triggered and needed a safe space.
12:12
It blow my mind how Dutch just refused to accept something so extremely obvious from Arthur. At this point of the story, like, yeah how could Dutch not realize that they are, indeed, not good at pulling off big scores anymore. They're in a clear position of weakness, their last plans have all backfired horribly. Its time to just slink away like a wounded animal.
i DiD nO SuCh tHiNg.
3:54 not gonna lie, first time through this mission , Dutch giving that look gave chills...
"but you said you knew Spanish"
-Arthur morgan 4:25
Why is Micah wearing a white hat and Arthur a dark hat? In many westerns, the man with the white hat is the hero, while the man with the darker hat is the bad guy.
John had a white hat in the beginning
it’s probably a bit of irony on rockstars part or they just didn’t think much of it. but if you wanna look deeper into it it could symbolize how for pretty much all of chapter 6 dutch treats micah like his right hand man/the good guy and arthur like a traitor, when it’s really the other way around.
If you noticed during the bank job in Saint Denis, Micah is really the only one not in black. He's in all white and I believe gold
John Solomita lenny wears white too
@@gringobingo471 Oh shit you're right
0:43 Arthur's facial expression here is priceless 😂😂
*Y O U S H O A H?*
2:53 the moment Arthur realized that Dutch isn’t the same Dutch that saved him when he was 14
How do you not have Arthurs death scene? That is about the most heated and memorable conversation between the two of them in the entire game
12:41 Dutch has suicidal thoughts
Dutch at the end of the game looks absolutely terrifying like the goodness in him is gone he has no more patience and keeps getting more paranoid and making up his own scenarios in his head and seeing Arthur doubt him and knowing he is dying to made him lose it even more
0:41 Damn, Micah really got us.
“You sound like Hosea I miss....him” yeah I miss him too 😰
18:04 The moment it dropped on Dutch the fact he had no control over Arthur no more. He was insisting on decisions for the gang instead of suggesting, or just blindly following Dutch's orders.
4:45 this cutscene is the one moment in the game where Dutch straight up looks to be going insane or at least the scene where it's most noticable
Dutch just lost his God damn mind.. It's just sad
The relationship between Arthur and Dutch kinda reminds me of that of Guts and Griffith in the Golden Age.
That thumbnail sums up Dutch and Arthur perfectly. xD
7:50 we now know what Dutch does at night.
I saw two guys in roblox pretending to be dutch and arthur, that was a great time to socialize.
"I gave you all I had"
Enough to make a grown man cry
*Ladies and gentlemen this is a robbery*
me: you can get any more casual than that(can’t)
Bruh...i can hear the thumbnail
ohhhh ..... the doubting
You'll get your infinity stones, Thanos. All you need is some goddamn faith.
Nobody:
Arthur: i insist
Dutch: *TAHITI*
1:41 Yooooo That's hot, that's hot
If Arthur would have said it though...
"Maybe time for folks like us is passed"
"Our time has passed, John"