you know whats sad? after Guarma higher honor Arthur starts sounding more and more like Hosea.. showing almost the exact same amount of remorse hosea has at the start of the game.
@@IndoJordy also its weird to say this but Hosea might have been soaking up some of dutches crazy. being the voice of reason that kept dutch tethered to reality. cause its only after hosea's death that Auther starts noticing dutch going farther and farther towards low honor and downright villany.
i used to have like -7 honor and then someone told me honor effects the outcomes so i found that out and then starting to regret the choice of being a dishonorable outlaw im so glad that arthur looked at the sunset when he died
@Ben Dover yeah Dutch was never Arthirs father figure, Hosea was and always had been. Dutch said he considered Arthur his son but thay wasnt the case. Hosea was old and knew he was dying so he got a bit paranoid and wanted to be careful, so did Arthur when he was dying but Arthur never told Dutch about his TB
@@adamlion3495 No he's pretty strong I'd say. There's moments where you can see him draw and you know for sure he's a true gunslinger. Unless you meant physically strong, in which case I don't think @Harry Cox meant it that way. He's mentally strong.
I am baffled at Dutch how he said killing Bronte would make robbing the bank any easier... Like dude you seriously think taking him out would not raise any gossips and talks around St Denis, leading the Pinkertons to be even more alarmed about the whole situation?? The news about the trolley incident would have been more than enough to tell the gang to gtfo
Xung Lan Tu exactly dutch right then made the noise the pinkertons where looking for in saint d. With the trolly car , if they had headed west right then black water would of been a abandoned with few agents left behind there, cuz they new dutch’s boys was outside of S.D. Anyhow. When those two headed in camp by the river they new they was there. But switched camps then that bull with the town trolly car S.D. Would of been the town on lock down while the gang headed west. But dutch was a dingbat all he had to do was read the papers , he had already left a trail for them to follow of noise with the crap in Rhodes 🤦♂️ which failed to produce treasure... ya know that myth MUNEY 🤣
@@JupiterThndr he's definitely the sensible one it makes sense dutch went even more off the deep end with no Hosea. I still never find dutch to be evil playing this game. I think he was always battling with a good side and a physco side which Micah helped bring out. Micah clearly is evil but dutch is no Micah. Whenever Arthur tried to get through to dutch you can tell his words met something to dutch.
marioandultrachap you can tell that Dutch seems to take in what Arthur says while Arthur is dying. I think it clicked to him how much he let Micah corrupt him and use him. I felt like Dutch started out quite honorable but losing his lover before the game started and then loosing Hosea was the nail on the coffin for going off the deep end. Pretty sad how he listens more to someone he hasn’t know long at all, Over the more senior members of the gang (Hosea and Arthur)
@@marioandultrachap Dutch was never a good man he just had an excellent way of hiding his true colors. if you observe him even early on he seems more like a cult leader or a benevolent dictator. Hosea kept him somewhat in check once he was gone he went off of rails.
Probably not only selling moonshine to them, but also working with them afterwards. I mean Hosea, and the whole gang probably, were so blind when trying to play on both sides. Rhodes is a small town, it's hard to keep something secret, especially when this secret tied to two largest families in Lemoyne
Just to show their ways of doing isn't working anymore, but in Chapter 4 I think Hosea already understood from those events so he desperately told Dutch not to go after Bronte.
@@Odoxon7522 and Hosea didn't think it was wrong. Hosea tried to stop Dutch from killing Bronte, but he didn't think that his little game with Braithwaite woman would lead to some consequences. And it wasn't really hard to realise, even Trelawny caught on that, why wouldn't Hosea?
Arthur eventually ended up just like Hosea: Throughout the story Hosea is getting sick and is constantly disagreeing with Dutch and as Hosea nears his demise he continues to go against Dutch more often and insisting he wants to save as many as he can before he inevitably dies to Dutch’s decisions. Exactly what happened with Arthur.
Sadly, Hosea was wise and thats why he disagreed alot and Arthur disagrees more as he became more wise and thoughtful. There is a correlation and I would have liked to see Hosea by Arthurs side to the end ontop of the mountain.
@@sack8439 That would be awesome Imagine Arthur standing on top of the mountain, looking over the landscape. Next to him stands Hosea, with his hand on Arthur’s shoulder
Respect the old man in a profession where men die young. Hosea was wise enough to see the fact that their times has passed, which Dutch was only able to see after 12 years.
I mean he certainly knew it after he was cornered by John. Thats why he went with his final plan since he knew John would never be able to truly kill him.
Dutch knew it all along. He knew that the wild west was on a decline and that the gang’s best years were over, he waged war against capitalism. The gang could’ve easily go west and leave the heat AND continue earning money and maybe some scores too. Remember how easy was the robbery in Valentine? Yeah. Also at some point Dutch could pick Sadie to get their money from Blackwater since she was unknown to the law. Bu the thing is, before the ferry heist that was gone wrong, the gang was stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. After the ferry heist, everyone started to make money for “the gang” and by that I mean Dutch. I bet that in the end the money that the gang collected was more than the ferry heist in Blackwater.
Dutch killed the people who challenged what his idea of power was. Dutch thought he was better than anyone he met and when they showed power over him, he got threatened. Dutch doesn't like his authority being challenged and this is no more obvious than when Arthur tries to convince him to let John and his family leave. Notice how Dutch latches onto when Arthur "insists"? That's a power move. That's an authoritative decision that Dutch doesn't feel Arthur has the right to make.
3/4 of the game is Dutch saying he has a plan and that they need money while the last quarter is Abigail getting pissed at John because he’s killing to help people and trying to build a house
@@Kyle34562 Hosea and Dutch dealt with one side each. Dutch with the grays and hosea with the braithwaites. Hosea kept it clean and cool as much as he could with the braithwaites but due to the shit Arthur did for the grays because of Dutch making them deputies led them to opportunities from them to bash the braithwaites. Arthur didn’t do much with them besides go with Hosea and hand out free liquor and burning the Gray’s tobacco fields. And the obvious was that Hosea couldn’t find any gold on either sides but the deals with the Grays put more heat and suspicion on them from the Braithwaites. Hosea and Dutch both messed up but Dutch’s plans kind of interfered with Hosea’s affairs
It's sad that everyone who would've sided with Arthur at the end had to die. Sean, Lenny, Hosea, hell even Kieran would've take his side. Arthur had lost everyone who supported him, right up to Grimshaw. I'm sure if Dutch saw Hosea take Arthur's side, Micah wouldve been shot down right there.
Hosea is like a dad that teaches his son right from wrong and Dutch is like that ignorant teen son that does what he wants but realizes he was right Hosea was the voice of reason he was more fit to be a leader then big bad Dutch
Well said. Just goes to show how well the writing team at Rockstar did, forcing Dutch to be consumed by Micah and leaving Arthur with no one to back him up. I feel sorry for people who are too uptight or don't take an interest to play video games. The Red Dead story is art and has better characters than most films and tv shows. Just a masterclass.
Anyone else notice how Dutch's only justification for staying is always "we need money" while at the same time the entire survival aspect of the game especially from the beginning proves that you could survive pretty easily without a single dollar anywhere
@@stpbasss3773 I'm pretty sure they make more money than most people could make in that time, remember the valentine bank Robbery? they robbed 20k yet most of it was given to the gang when they could've used it to go to Tahiti and lay low.
@@user-jd9kf8ow2q The money in the game doesn't make sense at all. Dutch will be bitching about money even if there's 20k in the gang savings 😂. Also the prices are all over the place and not relevant to the time period. Some prices for things are close and other's are insane. Like buying 1,500$ horse in 1899 lol horses were like 10 to 50$. Or a can of beans for like 1.50$ which is pretty much what they cost now.
The only time that I though Hosea was wrong was in chapter 3 when he said there was gold. But when I went back to Braithwaite manor, there was actually gold. Even when we think Hosea is wrong , he isn’t 😂
Hosea did made a mistake cutting a deal with the Braithwaite while the others are on Gray's side. Chap 3 was both Dutch and Hosea's plan and look how it ended.
on top of that if you save penelope she steals the families treasure and you get a small part of it. My ex was named penelope so obviously i had to save her.
Dutch: "I'm gonna do a thing." Hosea: "Don't do the thing, something bad will happen." Dutch: "Nothing bad's gonna happen, I'm gonna do the thing." *Bad things happen* Hosea: "I told you something bad would happen!" Dutch: "It's fine, I've got another thing!" Hosea: "Don't do that thing, either, something worse will happen!" Dutch: "I'm gonna do the thing anyway!" Arthur: (Repeatedly) "What about the moneh?!"
@@ThatOneguy-xt7yo everybody was asking about the money, they almost died for that thing. Plus, it was Micah plan to rob the ferry, he would have gotten his lion share from all of them.
Hosea was about 55 years old, while Dutch was 42, Arthur is 36 but he ran with the gang for over 20 years which makes him 16, but the gang was created later after John came. I think that Hosea was more of a responsible parent (he was 32 after founding Arthur) while Dutch was more kind of "Let's bring the kids to a bank robbery!" (He was 19,42-20-3=19) Then Dutch saved 13-year-old John from being hanged and they meet after Mr.Grimshaw when their gang became to grow.
Hosea was probably the saddest death (other than Arthur's) in the game, poor old man, he should have been the leader, he was much more wiser than Dutch.
The saddest death is the horse that you've had since you buy it at the very beginning of the game and have gone through everything with, building a strong attachment to it as the horse itself grows its bond with you, eventually making the ultimate sacrifice in the end and being thanked for all its efforts in one of the most heartbreaking cutscenes in the game. Rip Strandle
@Charles zi Britannia I don't know why people who haven't finished the game would look this video if it's literally called "5 TIMES DUTCH SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HOSEA'S ADVICE"
I absolutely adore the scene where Dutch kills Bronte because it's one of the few times where he lets his mask slip. In that moment, he is giving a glimpse into who he's going to become in 12 years. Killing Bronte does nothing, stops nothing, and Dutch knows it. But he can't stop himself. He sees Bronte as the manifestation of everything ruining his life. And as pointless as it is, he has to kill him. That's the paradox.
True but in all fairness Bronte was a snake and players would have have wanted to kill him anyway.. Besides storming his mansion was fun I ended up using a shotgun with incendiary ammo set half the place on fire.. Also like you said killing him changes nothing, robbing the bank had the same outcome. With all the noise the gang was making and with the Pinkertons already in Lemoyne, they were just waiting for the gang to slip and the bank robbery was it.
Not to mention the look Arthur gives him from over his shoulder, it’s a disturbed look in his face.. like he’s seeing someone completely different, not the mentor he thought he knew and adored.
I don't know if you're entirely correct, but you're at least partially correct. Killing Bronte, while they were planning it, seemed like a good business move just like he was saying to Hosea and Arthur. Was there an easier way? Yeah. But robbing a bank in Saint Denis is a terrible idea anyway. Killing Bronte just showed that Dutch didn't wanna screw around with the risk of a "ransom". The Pinkertons would have never allowed that. They'd rather Bronte die and capture Dutch (because of Cornwall's funding) than to pay them a bunch of money and honorably leave.
Jack Marston Child you refer to Arthur Morgan as some random dude? He’s been with the gang since they ever started bro he’s not some random dude🤬😡 this has to be trolling
Yeah you play as Dutch. Personally I would like a Godfather II scenario where you trade off between Dutch and Jack. The beginning of the gang and the end of the gang.
If he was still alive that that case of events would never happen. The main reason Dutch when insane was because Hosea wasn't there to guide him back into sanity.
I think Dutch was the real father figure for Arthur and that's what ultimately screwed him over. That said, I think Hosea was the real father figure for John and that's why he was able to get away... twice. (once when he left the gang for a year, the second time was at the end of RDR2)
@@jerricho11 it's the other way around Arthur even says this in his diary....Hosea is the father figure he relates to the most....Dutch and John fought more like a father and son then became estranged
“I just don’t want anymore folks to die Dutch.” That line always gets me. Hosea was the best and most loyal member to the gang after Arthur, and Dutch never listened to either of them.
One of my favourite moments in Rdr2 with Hosea was when Arthur said “I’m nothing more than a killer” or “The only thing I’m good at is killing” (something like that). And Hosea goes “I don’t believe that for a second”
@@mastermonke1177 - No, that's surviving.. Don't forget, that was during a time when it wasn't as easy as just walking into a grocery market and choosing what kind of meat you wanted for dinner that night. Most people still lived off of the land, which brought a greater respect for such.
@Nikola Djordjevski Technically Hosea and Dutch would be the leaders since they both founded the gang together. Arthur is pretty much the 2nd in command.
I just realised the way Hosea calls out to Dutch at 1:45 is the same desperate call that Arthur makes before heading off with Sadie to rescue Abigail. Dutch failed them both, one after the other.
Of all of the deaths in the game, Hosea's death was the hardest hitting. I remember doing the Saint Denis bank robbery and actually having to pause the game to take in what just happened. What makes it worse was that you got no time to grieve. That last you ever see of him is when he's shot.
The Saint Denis robbery was surreal. I really felt like Arthur in that moment. I was confused, sad, and frustrated all at the same time. The robbery itself is sabotaged and goes to shit, then the escape is hurried and people are split up, shot and captured left and right. Those that are alive don't know for certain who else is, it's all hearsay between survivors as they try to escape the city currently crawling with every cop on this side of the Mississippi.
Dutch is the king and Hosea is the advisor. The advisor can't lead like the king, can't unite people with personality the same way. But the king needs the advisor to balance his own arrogance. We all talk a lot about why the gang fell apart and at what specific moment. But I think it was when Dutch allowed Micah to replace Hosea as his advisor.
Also found it ridiculous that he didnt pick someone who had years and years of loyalty. Would have though Arthur would have been able to keep him level headed. Felt that he might have the same Calming effect that Hosea had.
@@JupiterThndr Micah sowed the seeds of distrust, both inadvertently and purposefully isolated Dutch from people that leveled and calmed him by getting them killed or having them abandoned by Dutch and when Dutch was at his most psychology vulnerable Micah whispered in his ears nothing but false agreements simply to direct him where he wanted him to go. Micah was a true snake in the grass but that being said Dutch wanted to let loose, if anything you can see how much he loves chaos in the guise of it being for a purpose.
@@JupiterThndr the problem is that people started refusing to tell dutch what he wanted to hear because it was just the same mistakes over and over. but micah would because micah has something in common with dutch-he does whatever he wants. even if that is just killing for the fun of it and making it your personal mission to divide a gang of misfits in a tough situation. arthur mentions in his journal that despite all his “needling”, micah always made sure to play it cool with dutch. dutch can be so... cavalier about other peoples’ deaths most of the time and the game wants us to know it started with blackwater. that’s why the strange man mentions the woman he killed there in the first game and why in the first mission arthur asks about it and dutch avoids the question entirely. doesn’t mean he doesn’t truly care sometimes, but he does whatever he wants. micah allows that to happen because he sees an opportunity to exercise his own sadism and greed. he realized the unique tool that is dutch-a leader that’s easily led.
everyone would have sided with arthur, he was a great man, micah was the snitch from the start and everyone could see that but dutch wouldn’t listen because of how he couldn’t turn back on what he had done
Dutch: "Okay, who do I trust, hmm...let's see. The two men who have been by my side for 20 years...or Micah. Hold on..." *digs out brain with a fountain pen* Dutch: "Micah it is!!"
I like what Dutch's voice actor said about this he said to Dutch he wasn't betraying Arthur and John. They were betraying him and Micah wasn't even though Micah truly was the traitor
RDR2 is such a tragic tale Watching this gang full of lively interesting characters fall apart piece by piece and not being able to do a thing about it. A gang of thieves in a world that doesn't want them, trying to make it together. Seeing lovable characters die and leave all because Dutch cared more about being right than doing what was right. It's heartbreaking.
“Our time has passed John....” Is one of the saddest quotes in the series. Dutch finally realizes the world is changing and his kind have no place in it because he refuses to change with the world.
U gotta play smart and change with the world. Dutch would be a excellent politician with his charisma. Their gang should have step into politics and start to earn money the right way. Robing people in broad daylight is not the way to go. They need to transform from outlaws to mafia and dig claws into politics.
He was gonna die he was sick so that wouldn't have worked out or he led the gang died and Dutch took over by that time he would of figured out miach was the rat then there we go a happily ended game but who wants a happy ending I want a game that impacts me so I seek redemption that's why it's called red dead redemption
3:00 this part always gets me. Micah admits he knows it's a trap, and probably knows that either Arthur or someone else would be taken as a hostage. How Dutch doesn't see through this speaks to his arrogance as a leader.
Micha telling Dutch that it will be fine because 'Arthur can just shoot them' is also a red flag. No matter how good the gunman is, you don't want to rely on one man to take out an ambush, anything can go wrong. ESPECIALLY on a 90% certain trap like that was.
Micah was a triple agent, rode with the Van der Linde gang as an O'Driscol to help the pinkertons, wonder how he didn't care about Milton taking abigail and also he didn't care about seeing Colm swing.
When Hosea died I actually felt grief. He felt like a real friend even though he’s a video game character. Like a real friend you could go to for any type of advice. Damn I miss the dude. Great video though man.
Yeah if there were an RDR3, thats where it would take place. Unfortunately, I can’t see a third game, (especially another prequel) as much as I want one, not feeling dry. It couldnt take place after RDR1 either, since the wild west is over. Sucks. I bet if Rockstar knew in 2010 that an RDR2 was gonna happen, they would’ve made the RDR1 story more flexible for sequels and prequels.
Should have went West. If they did *SPOILERS!!:* Arthur wouldn't get TB. Arthur wouldn't get kidnapped by the goddamn O'Driscolls. Arthur, Hosea, Lenny, Sean and Kieran would still be alive. Jack wouldn't be kidnapped. The Pinkertons (probably) wouldn't be able to track them down Wouldn't have been stranded on Guarma. Dutch wouldn't lose his mind. Micah wouldn't betray the gang (But then again, it's Micah) They would be in _TAHITI!_
Well...if the pinkertons were following them all that way, i would've went west instead of going to shady bell. That would've thrown off the pinkertons bc they wouldn't have expected that. All ditches plans were based on the pinkertons not expecting that move, but they did bc the pinkertons thought like the outlaws. They weren't that far off from being outlaws. They jst have badges.
I would love rdr3 to be on hoseas pov or perhaps even Dutch, where it starts with just the two of them, then finding Arthur etc, perhaps the game should end when the gang is officially formed
@@unknownincognito2524 it would be nice if you were switching between the two, or starting as a low honor Dutch and slowly changing as you interact with Hosea more, they could showcase how Hosea affected Dutch, and make it even more prevalent why his death was so important to Dutchs morality and sanity
I find it funny how Micah didn't know Dutch the longest, but it turns out he knew him the best. He knew that he could easily manipulate Dutch, simply by telling him what he wanted to hear, feeding his ego, and supporting him and his plans without a doubt, no matter how crazy or damning they may be. That's how Dutch ended up trusting someone like Micah over people who were truly loyal to him for years; and that's how Micah had such a great influence on the outcome of Dutch's plans. Considering this, it's no wonder why Dutch rarely listened to Hosea. Not only did Hosea not show the utmost faith in Dutch's judgement, but he advised against his plans and actions, thus showing doubt. This game's story and characters are amazing!
The entirety of rdr1 teases background story that we got as Rdr2, and in that one they talk about even more shit from longer before that. I really want to know just what the fuck was the history and what the Blackwater incident was really like. BUT, I still doubt we'll get another prequel that winds the clock back even further.
@@IndoJordy mac callander won't work. The weight system won't work since he's very fat. You can see that in the epilogue when u visit him in the general store in rhodes, the picture hung up. It's not Devin because he was pretty average.
Dutch never had any intentions of ever leaving the US, he wanted to keep the gang going for as long as possible. He had built a whole cult of personality around himself, he thought he knew it all but Hosea was there to leash him in. One of many problems was Hosea wouldn't put his foot down to Dutch, because he didn't want to undermine his authority since Dutch was the boss, not Hosea, but not doing so only allowed things to spiral downward more, he opted for a less direct approach and tried to correct Dutch's course, which of course didn't lead anywhere. After Hosea's death, Dutch didn't have anyone to keep him in line and he completely went off the rails which wasn't helped with Micah's influence. When he stands over Arthur at the end, when he looks down at the man whom he considered a son, he sees only his failures, and the point is driven further in when Arthur tells him that he gave him everything that even Dutch who always sought to have the last word in can't even find the words. I think he shoots Micah in the epilogue, not to help John, not even to attempt to correct a mistake that he should have corrected ages ago, he shoots him because he sees only himself in Micah.
Should’ve listened to Hosea. I don’t know why he didn’t take his side. A lot of bad things that happened to the gang would’ve been prevented if Arthur had simply agreed with Hosea right there.
@@lancesuazo2062 Yeah that moment pulled me out of the story somewhat. Just don't know. It feels that given how much Arthur respects Hosea he shouldn't have brushed it all off as easily with a "well i guess business is business." Like, yeah, Arthur doesn't think very highly of himself beyond just being the one who shoots those others tell him to shoot. But yeah, at that stage it just feels like he would have at least given more thought to what Hosea said and visibly felt, given how obvious of a bad idea it was to just waltz in there and get Bronte. It might still have happened the way it did given that Dutch gets what Dutch wants basically, but just felt like too little resistence even from Arthur.
@@baumstammbruno yea ur right. In my opinion, Hosea was always the better, more wiser leader. He was calm and thought about things before taking action. Dutch wasn't like that at all. He was very assertive and felt like he was always right. It all started with the Blackwater Job and eventually led to the downfall of the gang.
2:55 is my favorite. Hosea is just sitting there listening from afar and he already knows whaf will happen even without being in the conversation. Hosea was the wisdom of the gang.
@@pedinhuh16 micah did that ALOT. He did so much bs to get arthur killed because everyone knew arthur was dutches second in comand. Hosea was his advisor but hosea wasnt a gunslinger so arthur takes #2. Micah eventually takes that spot in chapter 6 and thats what he wanted all along. I knew micah was trash in the mountains when he said we need to cut the weak.
@Ariella Ablang why it cracks me up is the idea of a gang of outlaws becoming mango farmers sounds ridicilous. At least grow something that makes more money like tabacco or sugar. But no lets farm MaNgOs Like if cartels used their money to suddenly open a lot of greenhouse businesses selling vegetables. Tbh they probably would actually make a shit ton of money still and actually do something legal. But i guess not as much money.
I actually have a theory about the Colm parlay mission. I think that Micah was able to convince Dutch to give up Arthur in exchange that them and the odriscolls stop fighting. If your remember, Dutch says to Arthur before he goes to the lookout position, that if anything goes bad they would meet at these crossroads. As you know, Arthur was captured. But Dutch and Micah never looked for him, when they didn’t meet up with him. And as you also know, towards the end of the game you can see that Dutch’s mental health is deteriorating, so it makes you think that maybe his mental health had been deteriorating as early as chapter 3
I don't think Dutch turned bad as the story went on. I think he was always that way and finally got found out as every plan failed and his gang crumbled around him
meme king 224 fnaf nah he always made stupid decisions, that trolley thing was not the explosion of ideas in his head. I do believe he not planned giving Arthur to Colm, but Micah yes. I think Micah was in touch to colm and the Pinkertins since the beginning
the wisdom in hosea really shines through when he tells dutch "forgive me if i can't think too much about the mango harvest.." really shows that wisdom lies in careful planning and execution and not in desire and reward
it would’ve been amazing if there was two stories, where when hosea suggests moving west, and you had to convince dutch to either go west, or let him keep control to go east, and if you went west, only certain gang members would die as opposed to the other members killed, it’d give the game a hell of a replay value
@@luckydee2145 I believe what he says is, you pick a side and the story focuses on that one, like you probably not doing the Saint Denis job or getting the endings that RDR2 gives. It most likely means you go to the west and have different missions, a different gameplay in general, this also gives consequences, so certain people who might've died in the true RDR2 Lore, may live, while others who lived may end up dying.
I just don’t know how that would work in consideration of the rdr1 story. If the player does decide to go back west and wait it out the events of rdr1 would never happen. Also, as much as it pains me to say, it wouldn’t be much of a story.
Wouldn't make a good story that I think. RDR series is popular because it is basically an epic tragedy. Tragedy has the most significant effect on people according to may psychologists.
I've ever seen Dutch actually take advice from anyone. He listens, but if his mind is set, forget it. And if you dare to disagree, you're a traitor, or a weak-minded. Honestly, I liked Dutch... But his temper was really annoying right from the start, just well hidden
I remember one conversation with Dutch when we had just first got organized at Horseshoe Overlook. I had just found the gold bar in the burnt out village and came back with a nice buck and 2 plump turkeys and Dutch gives me the "I need you out there doing more for the camp" speech. Can't remember Arthur's auto response, but my thinking ... "Have you looked at the ledger Dutch?"
#5 actually hit me real hard... I was SO pissed that I didn’t actually get a choice. And I was DISAPPOINTED in my boy, ARTHUR, like DID I RAISE YOU THIS WAY BOAH!!! NO!!!!!!!!!
It fells like shit when you have high honor in chapter 2 and yet Arthur acts like a scumbag or when You don't beat Tommy or Thomas downes but the game acts like if you did it
Pretty much Micah's influence in the gang with manipulating Dutch is what caused the overall end of the Vanderlinde gang as well as Hosea getting shot. Hosea was the moral person who kept everyone level headed including Dutch and overall was the 2nd senior person next to Arthur of the gang. If they listened to Hosea more and ditched that weasel, Micah, the gang would've ended up a lot better than they did.
Dutch's downfall was ignoring Hosea, a guy who had been by his side for years. Letting Micah in was a real big mistake as well, especially when he was only with the gang for a few months. It's quite obvious who he should've listened to.
When Hosea asked Arthur to break the tie on what we should do, I was upset that we couldn't actually chose who to side with. Because I would've chosen Hosea in a heartbeat.
I'm still convinced that Dutch knew it's a trap with Colm all along, Arthur got captured and no one tried to rescue him, everybody else went back to camp as nothing happened. Even Dutch was so surprised in a bad way when Arthur managed to find his way back to camp alive. Dutch wanted to get rid of Arthur early.
@@JupiterThndr dutch is the type of person who wants people to listen to him if they doubt him he gets irritated and not listen to them micah using his so called loyalty used dutch because arthur started doubting him
True that’s right everyone definently appreciated hosea but the only one who listened to hosea was Arthur everyone else followed what hosea did just didn’t agree
What's sad is that even when Dutch was starting to lose his way, you know he cared about Hosea. Even when they started disagreeing you can tell Dutch would never touch Hosea. I think this is the absolute breaking point for Dutch.
I wish that in chapter 2 if you donated like 2 thousand dollars there was a secret ending where we actually went to Tahiti and made a life there and when we left the map we abandoned Micah in prison and left him to rot
Hoseas death is where I lost faith in Dutch.
Yeah
Why he was the cause of his death that was his plan
I lost faith way before
r_w_ memes Mu faith started wavering wile we were in guarma
I think most people did.
If you read through Arthur's journal he literally writes "I love Dutch like a father, but I love Hosea more."
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That's why Hosea caughed too? When he get TB from Arthur and how? 😲
you know whats sad? after Guarma higher honor Arthur starts sounding more and more like Hosea.. showing almost the exact same amount of remorse hosea has at the start of the game.
True! He is also second in command officialy than
@@IndoJordy also its weird to say this but Hosea might have been soaking up some of dutches crazy. being the voice of reason that kept dutch tethered to reality. cause its only after hosea's death that Auther starts noticing dutch going farther and farther towards low honor and downright villany.
Indo-J after guarma Micah is
i used to have like -7 honor and then someone told me honor effects the outcomes so i found that out and then starting to regret the choice of being a dishonorable outlaw im so glad that arthur looked at the sunset when he died
@Ben Dover yeah Dutch was never Arthirs father figure, Hosea was and always had been. Dutch said he considered Arthur his son but thay wasnt the case. Hosea was old and knew he was dying so he got a bit paranoid and wanted to be careful, so did Arthur when he was dying but Arthur never told Dutch about his TB
Hosea is the epitome of the saying “Always fear an old man in a profession where men die young”
he isnt particularly strong hes just wise and lucky
@@adamlion3495 No he's pretty strong I'd say. There's moments where you can see him draw and you know for sure he's a true gunslinger. Unless you meant physically strong, in which case I don't think @Harry Cox meant it that way. He's mentally strong.
@@samusaran13372 i didnt say hes not strong i said hes not spexially strong
@@adamlion3495 what...? I hate to sound rude but are you on drugs?
@@jon3854 no
When Hosea said “ your gonna damn us all..” I felt that..
Same
-KiLLa - dude for real, and he was right.
I am baffled at Dutch how he said killing Bronte would make robbing the bank any easier... Like dude you seriously think taking him out would not raise any gossips and talks around St Denis, leading the Pinkertons to be even more alarmed about the whole situation?? The news about the trolley incident would have been more than enough to tell the gang to gtfo
Xung Lan Tu exactly dutch right then made the noise the pinkertons where looking for in saint d. With the trolly car , if they had headed west right then black water would of been a abandoned with few agents left behind there, cuz they new dutch’s boys was outside of S.D. Anyhow. When those two headed in camp by the river they new they was there. But switched camps then that bull with the town trolly car S.D. Would of been the town on lock down while the gang headed west. But dutch was a dingbat all he had to do was read the papers , he had already left a trail for them to follow of noise with the crap in Rhodes 🤦♂️ which failed to produce treasure... ya know that myth MUNEY 🤣
I just like to think that Bo have Arthur the last of the fortune and the rest went to moonshine and guns.
Hosea is just like a wise grandfather. Everyone loved him
"Loved him"
🖐😔
Him and Hamish were such sad deaths
He was basically like a Grandpa/Uncle to Jack, teaching him to read and all.
@@olic3270 very true
@@aspiringadonis1253 very sad
Hosea’s death still pisses me off
Yupp
Indo-J I’ve played thru the game 8 times and it still pisses me off every damn time
Hosea and Lenny. Fuck that shit. I was so annoyed when they died.
The Greatest Of All Time saddest death by far. It was weeks ago in my case but it still haunts me and angers me deeply.
It didn’t even make sense tho what happened to the hostages in the bank and why didn’t the Pinkertons care about them
Hosea was basically an older Arthur that learned from his mistakes. You can tell Arthur was raised by him more than he was by Dutch.
feel like Arthur end up being like Hosea (honorable) or Dutch (Dishonorable)
@@JupiterThndr he's definitely the sensible one it makes sense dutch went even more off the deep end with no Hosea. I still never find dutch to be evil playing this game. I think he was always battling with a good side and a physco side which Micah helped bring out. Micah clearly is evil but dutch is no Micah. Whenever Arthur tried to get through to dutch you can tell his words met something to dutch.
marioandultrachap you can tell that Dutch seems to take in what Arthur says while Arthur is dying. I think it clicked to him how much he let Micah corrupt him and use him. I felt like Dutch started out quite honorable but losing his lover before the game started and then loosing Hosea was the nail on the coffin for going off the deep end. Pretty sad how he listens more to someone he hasn’t know long at all, Over the more senior members of the gang (Hosea and Arthur)
@@JupiterThndr yeah I felt sorry for dutch by the end of the game. Like I said he's a good man who lost his way.
@@marioandultrachap Dutch was never a good man he just had an excellent way of hiding his true colors. if you observe him even early on he seems more like a cult leader or a benevolent dictator. Hosea kept him somewhat in check once he was gone he went off of rails.
And Hosea was usually right. The only real time he was wrong was with his idea to sell the moonshine back to the Braithwaites
True
Probably not only selling moonshine to them, but also working with them afterwards. I mean Hosea, and the whole gang probably, were so blind when trying to play on both sides. Rhodes is a small town, it's hard to keep something secret, especially when this secret tied to two largest families in Lemoyne
Just to show their ways of doing isn't working anymore, but in Chapter 4 I think Hosea already understood from those events so he desperately told Dutch not to go after Bronte.
@@Romulus-r6j Well, playing both sides was Dutches idea after all
@@Odoxon7522 and Hosea didn't think it was wrong. Hosea tried to stop Dutch from killing Bronte, but he didn't think that his little game with Braithwaite woman would lead to some consequences. And it wasn't really hard to realise, even Trelawny caught on that, why wouldn't Hosea?
Arthur eventually ended up just like Hosea:
Throughout the story Hosea is getting sick and is constantly disagreeing with Dutch and as Hosea nears his demise he continues to go against Dutch more often and insisting he wants to save as many as he can before he inevitably dies to Dutch’s decisions. Exactly what happened with Arthur.
Sadly, Hosea was wise and thats why he disagreed alot and Arthur disagrees more as he became more wise and thoughtful. There is a correlation and I would have liked to see Hosea by Arthurs side to the end ontop of the mountain.
@@sack8439 That would be awesome
Imagine Arthur standing on top of the mountain, looking over the landscape. Next to him stands Hosea, with his hand on Arthur’s shoulder
@@hellooo2411 that would have been epic
@@hellooo2411 so what they are force ghosts now? thats literally the end of return of the jedi
Arthur didn't die because of Dutch's decisions though, he died because of his tuberculosis. It was Dutch's fault that the gang as a whole died though.
Respect the old man in a profession where men die young. Hosea was wise enough to see the fact that their times has passed, which Dutch was only able to see after 12 years.
Dutch: 😡
I mean he certainly knew it after he was cornered by John. Thats why he went with his final plan since he knew John would never be able to truly kill him.
Dutch knew it all along. He knew that the wild west was on a decline and that the gang’s best years were over, he waged war against capitalism. The gang could’ve easily go west and leave the heat AND continue earning money and maybe some scores too. Remember how easy was the robbery in Valentine? Yeah. Also at some point Dutch could pick Sadie to get their money from Blackwater since she was unknown to the law. Bu the thing is, before the ferry heist that was gone wrong, the gang was stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. After the ferry heist, everyone started to make money for “the gang” and by that I mean Dutch. I bet that in the end the money that the gang collected was more than the ferry heist in Blackwater.
*_THIS! 100% THIS!_*
You are right
But Dutch was absent
I guess even Arthur knew their time was over
"This ain't about revenge" - Kills Bronte for revenge
"This ain't about revenge" - Kills Leviticus for revenge
Revenge is a luxury we can not aford. That's odd for someone who had that mantra.
@@ImperadorLucius He got lost in his ambitions
and his reason for killing Bronte is essentially the reason Hosea had for not robbing the god damn train.
He says to Marston, that he kills for sport and one minute after, it's apparently for some idea. He's fkn lost.
Dutch killed the people who challenged what his idea of power was. Dutch thought he was better than anyone he met and when they showed power over him, he got threatened.
Dutch doesn't like his authority being challenged and this is no more obvious than when Arthur tries to convince him to let John and his family leave. Notice how Dutch latches onto when Arthur "insists"? That's a power move. That's an authoritative decision that Dutch doesn't feel Arthur has the right to make.
I love how half the game is "the last job we're ever gonna pull" lmao
And there’s always a goddamn train!
And the other half is building a house
"We need moneh!"
Sounds like the Fast & Furious series.
3/4 of the game is Dutch saying he has a plan and that they need money while the last quarter is Abigail getting pissed at John because he’s killing to help people and trying to build a house
"Times where Hosea was right"
You can't upload the entire game up until Hosea's death, can you?
I mean he screwed up in Rhodes pretty catastrophically
Even after his death
@@Kyle34562 Hosea and Dutch dealt with one side each. Dutch with the grays and hosea with the braithwaites. Hosea kept it clean and cool as much as he could with the braithwaites but due to the shit Arthur did for the grays because of Dutch making them deputies led them to opportunities from them to bash the braithwaites. Arthur didn’t do much with them besides go with Hosea and hand out free liquor and burning the Gray’s tobacco fields. And the obvious was that Hosea couldn’t find any gold on either sides but the deals with the Grays put more heat and suspicion on them from the Braithwaites. Hosea and Dutch both messed up but Dutch’s plans kind of interfered with Hosea’s affairs
Jelly Alvaro I'm on the 4th chapter nooooooo
@@Milo2010_ sorry, man :( TH-cam is a dangerous place if you haven't finished the game yet. I got spoilers myself when the game came out
It's sad that everyone who would've sided with Arthur at the end had to die. Sean, Lenny, Hosea, hell even Kieran would've take his side. Arthur had lost everyone who supported him, right up to Grimshaw. I'm sure if Dutch saw Hosea take Arthur's side, Micah wouldve been shot down right there.
Dutch would turn to hoseas side so would Javier
Hosea is like a dad that teaches his son right from wrong and Dutch is like that ignorant teen son that does what he wants but realizes he was right
Hosea was the voice of reason he was more fit to be a leader then big bad Dutch
I wish they would make a dlc where hosea and sean and kieran doesn't die.
Alax Mrcir • 69 years ago and lenny :(
Well said. Just goes to show how well the writing team at Rockstar did, forcing Dutch to be consumed by Micah and leaving Arthur with no one to back him up. I feel sorry for people who are too uptight or don't take an interest to play video games. The Red Dead story is art and has better characters than most films and tv shows. Just a masterclass.
Anyone else notice how Dutch's only justification for staying is always "we need money" while at the same time the entire survival aspect of the game especially from the beginning proves that you could survive pretty easily without a single dollar anywhere
Time progresses with events in these games, which means that eventually you would've been found and killed by the Pinkertons
@@suleymanbabak1973 that can seriously happen?
Imagine if all 20 something of them got regular jobs they would pull in good money 😂.
@@stpbasss3773 I'm pretty sure they make more money than most people could make in that time, remember the valentine bank Robbery? they robbed 20k yet most of it was given to the gang when they could've used it to go to Tahiti and lay low.
@@user-jd9kf8ow2q The money in the game doesn't make sense at all. Dutch will be bitching about money even if there's 20k in the gang savings 😂. Also the prices are all over the place and not relevant to the time period. Some prices for things are close and other's are insane. Like buying 1,500$ horse in 1899 lol horses were like 10 to 50$. Or a can of beans for like 1.50$ which is pretty much what they cost now.
The only time that I though Hosea was wrong was in chapter 3 when he said there was gold. But when I went back to Braithwaite manor, there was actually gold. Even when we think Hosea is wrong , he isn’t 😂
All I found was the crazy old lady corpse and some braithwaites recovering any valuables
Santiago Hernandez if you search around there’s a lock box with a gold bar in it
Hosea did made a mistake cutting a deal with the Braithwaite while the others are on Gray's side. Chap 3 was both Dutch and Hosea's plan and look how it ended.
Miko No Shinobi [UHBWMC] the mistake wasn’t that a deal was made, it was that they found out.
on top of that if you save penelope she steals the families treasure and you get a small part of it. My ex was named penelope so obviously i had to save her.
Dutch: "I'm gonna do a thing."
Hosea: "Don't do the thing, something bad will happen."
Dutch: "Nothing bad's gonna happen, I'm gonna do the thing."
*Bad things happen*
Hosea: "I told you something bad would happen!"
Dutch: "It's fine, I've got another thing!"
Hosea: "Don't do that thing, either, something worse will happen!"
Dutch: "I'm gonna do the thing anyway!"
Arthur: (Repeatedly) "What about the moneh?!"
TimesNewLogan nah more like Micah cause dude asks what about the money in black water like 100 times in the Story
Arthur: “you sure bout this Dutch?”
@@ThatOneguy-xt7yo
everybody was asking about the money, they almost died for that thing. Plus, it was Micah plan to rob the ferry, he would have gotten his lion share from all of them.
"if u insist"
RDR2 in a nutshell
When he died, i named my horse horsea
I did the exact same thing
genius lmfao how did i not think of that, woulda made the ending even more fucking powerful
ok but did you name a morgan arthur
Bedge no but that is GENIUS
Dude same I’ve had all three of my horses throughout the whole game named horsea
Hosea is a 60 or older year old in a game where people die in their 30 or 40's dutch should've listened to all his advice
Hosea was about 55 years old, while Dutch was 42, Arthur is 36 but he ran with the gang for over 20 years which makes him 16, but the gang was created later after John came. I think that Hosea was more of a responsible parent (he was 32 after founding Arthur) while Dutch was more kind of "Let's bring the kids to a bank robbery!" (He was 19,42-20-3=19)
Then Dutch saved 13-year-old John from being hanged and they meet after Mr.Grimshaw when their gang became to grow.
@@wiktorialyzwinska8039 thanks I didn't see this immediately but I appreciate it
@Noah Gunawan they were trying to hang a 12 year old boy???
30 to 40 years old is actually quite a long life for people living like outlaws, most people would meet their maker in their 20s
@@wiktorialyzwinska8039 Dutch was 39
It's like Hosea actually cares for the gang and Dutch just wants to have an old west adventure robbing trains and banks
you heard the man, he needs the money.
have some goddamn faith
@@PyaTach he always said we don’t have money and I had like 25000 in my pocket 🤣🤣🤣😂
We're gonna get to Tahiti!!
@@PyaTach that line annoys me so much.
Hosea was probably the saddest death (other than Arthur's) in the game, poor old man, he should have been the leader, he was much more wiser than Dutch.
The saddest death is the horse that you've had since you buy it at the very beginning of the game and have gone through everything with, building a strong attachment to it as the horse itself grows its bond with you, eventually making the ultimate sacrifice in the end and being thanked for all its efforts in one of the most heartbreaking cutscenes in the game.
Rip Strandle
@@misterlist3140 I went through 7 so
Kierans was pretty sad tbh and it was brutal asf
@Charles zi Britannia well I wouldn't be scrolling through comments and not expecting spoilers.
@Charles zi Britannia I don't know why people who haven't finished the game would look this video if it's literally called "5 TIMES DUTCH SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HOSEA'S ADVICE"
“You sound like hosea ....I miss....him..”
Charles smith's
“I asked you a question Dutch”
I really felt for Dutch at that moment, you can hear he was Devastated
Hosea missed the mango harvest..
Snoop Dogg i think they all missed just a bit more than that
I absolutely adore the scene where Dutch kills Bronte because it's one of the few times where he lets his mask slip. In that moment, he is giving a glimpse into who he's going to become in 12 years. Killing Bronte does nothing, stops nothing, and Dutch knows it. But he can't stop himself. He sees Bronte as the manifestation of everything ruining his life. And as pointless as it is, he has to kill him. That's the paradox.
Late replay but hot damn
That's some good analogy
So was Cornwell
True but in all fairness Bronte was a snake and players would have have wanted to kill him anyway.. Besides storming his mansion was fun I ended up using a shotgun with incendiary ammo set half the place on fire.. Also like you said killing him changes nothing, robbing the bank had the same outcome. With all the noise the gang was making and with the Pinkertons already in Lemoyne, they were just waiting for the gang to slip and the bank robbery was it.
Not to mention the look Arthur gives him from over his shoulder, it’s a disturbed look in his face.. like he’s seeing someone completely different, not the mentor he thought he knew and adored.
I don't know if you're entirely correct, but you're at least partially correct. Killing Bronte, while they were planning it, seemed like a good business move just like he was saying to Hosea and Arthur. Was there an easier way? Yeah. But robbing a bank in Saint Denis is a terrible idea anyway. Killing Bronte just showed that Dutch didn't wanna screw around with the risk of a "ransom". The Pinkertons would have never allowed that. They'd rather Bronte die and capture Dutch (because of Cornwall's funding) than to pay them a bunch of money and honorably leave.
I love Hosea's character and I would love to see another prequel of Arthur's earlier days with him! Such a wise fellow.
He was bro, thanks for the comment !
All we have to do is go back BaCk *BaCk* *BACK*
Jack Marston Child you refer to Arthur Morgan as some random dude? He’s been with the gang since they ever started bro he’s not some random dude🤬😡 this has to be trolling
Yeah you play as Dutch. Personally I would like a Godfather II scenario where you trade off between Dutch and Jack. The beginning of the gang and the end of the gang.
Red Dead 3 will be about the first 3. Dutch, Hosea and a young Arthur
If Hosea was still alive at the end, He would take John and Arthur’s side.
Yup
Indo-J I wish that would happen
@@joseywales6112 Sean, Kieran, and Lenny too would definitely side with Arthur at that point
Xung Lan Tu lenny for sure but i dunno about sean and kieran
If he was still alive that that case of events would never happen. The main reason Dutch when insane was because Hosea wasn't there to guide him back into sanity.
Hosea was the true father figure for Arthur.
He was
He’d be a better father figure to John. Dutch never really cared for him, anyway. Only used John as a simple pawn.
I think Dutch was the real father figure for Arthur and that's what ultimately screwed him over. That said, I think Hosea was the real father figure for John and that's why he was able to get away... twice. (once when he left the gang for a year, the second time was at the end of RDR2)
@@jerricho11 it's the other way around Arthur even says this in his diary....Hosea is the father figure he relates to the most....Dutch and John fought more like a father and son then became estranged
@@a_stinkyzoe2361 Really? I must have forgotten about that.
“I just don’t want anymore folks to die Dutch.”
That line always gets me. Hosea was the best and most loyal member to the gang after Arthur, and Dutch never listened to either of them.
@GermanHybridGaming yeah and they'd most likely own a ranch out west living out the rest of their days TwT
Yeah and 100% trusts Micah
“Can I turn myself in?”
Arthur with the jokes...R.I.P
Hey
One of my favourite moments in Rdr2 with Hosea was when Arthur said
“I’m nothing more than a killer” or “The only thing I’m good at is killing” (something like that).
And Hosea goes “I don’t believe that for a second”
He tells hosea he doesn’t like to use his words “Killing’s more my thing”
And it's true, Arthur was very talented at drawing. As well as having very good writing skills
EDIT: My Arthur was also a absolutely beastly fisherman
Dwight Lee I was about to say hunting, but I guess that’s technically killing as well
@@mastermonke1177 - No, that's surviving.. Don't forget, that was during a time when it wasn't as easy as just walking into a grocery market and choosing what kind of meat you wanted for dinner that night. Most people still lived off of the land, which brought a greater respect for such.
I feel that this means that Hosea knew Arthur was different and he had good in him
"You'll damn us all!"
...
"Damn you!"
"Damn us both!"
Pow!!! Dead.
tuscuanilly barticus I got that it’s in my opinion the best ending it hits u the hardest
Big Man a bullet hits pretty hard yeah
Didn’t get that ending buddy
Or low honor ending and going back to camp Arthur says to Dutch “You let him damn us all Dutch”
2:55 I love how Hosea is just reading his book, minding his own business, and he just casually predicts what is about to happen lol
Yeah and his nonchalant delivery is pretty funny too
Man just almost ruined Micah’s plan
It's a shame that Arthur had to pay for it.
I bet Hosea was starting to not even care anymore since dutch doesn't even listen to him
It didnt require alot of thinking to think that your mortal enemy for 20+ year suggests a parley in the middle of nowhere
6:03 When Hosea reachs for Arthur, that broke my heart.
And then he immediately gets sad
Damn
@@laairo no
@@laairo Hey relax, so what they enjoy fortnite? They're not insulting anyone...well besides you apparently
@@loganburnette5485 if u play gaynite, ur opinion on any other games doesent MATTER
Hosea was a much better leader
True that
@Nikola Djordjevski Technically Hosea and Dutch would be the leaders since they both founded the gang together. Arthur is pretty much the 2nd in command.
Would be*
Hosea and Dutch were a good balance of leadership. Until Dutch went coo coo
Dutch has more charisma and don't afraid to take risk a leader should've
If only Dutch had some *FAITH* in Hosea.
He could’ve been farming mangoes in Tahiti with the gang
I just realised the way Hosea calls out to Dutch at 1:45 is the same desperate call that Arthur makes before heading off with Sadie to rescue Abigail. Dutch failed them both, one after the other.
Year late ik but godamn that line from arthur was delivered perfectly like holy shit
"Dutch.... : ("
5 times Dutch should’ve listened to Hosea:
1. Every damn time
2.
3.
4.
5.
😂
When Hosea said to Dutch “Your mom is gay” I really felt that
Wow, he never said that.
He said "ur mom gay"
Get it right
When he said that
>:(
@@memerisland.2617 Oh Oh Dutch is planning this cant be good
@@de132 no ur mum gae he said even you're wrong
Of all of the deaths in the game, Hosea's death was the hardest hitting. I remember doing the Saint Denis bank robbery and actually having to pause the game to take in what just happened. What makes it worse was that you got no time to grieve. That last you ever see of him is when he's shot.
Dam, even Tod Howard likes Red dead redemption
i felt sad only for hosea and lenny
The Saint Denis robbery was surreal. I really felt like Arthur in that moment. I was confused, sad, and frustrated all at the same time. The robbery itself is sabotaged and goes to shit, then the escape is hurried and people are split up, shot and captured left and right. Those that are alive don't know for certain who else is, it's all hearsay between survivors as they try to escape the city currently crawling with every cop on this side of the Mississippi.
Sean's death scared the shit out of me just because of how sudden it was
@@declandewolfe5225 I never liked sean, so I was pretty stoked when he got his head squished.
Dutch is the king and Hosea is the advisor. The advisor can't lead like the king, can't unite people with personality the same way. But the king needs the advisor to balance his own arrogance. We all talk a lot about why the gang fell apart and at what specific moment. But I think it was when Dutch allowed Micah to replace Hosea as his advisor.
Also found it ridiculous that he didnt pick someone who had years and years of loyalty. Would have though Arthur would have been able to keep him level headed. Felt that he might have the same Calming effect that Hosea had.
@@JupiterThndr Micah sowed the seeds of distrust, both inadvertently and purposefully isolated Dutch from people that leveled and calmed him by getting them killed or having them abandoned by Dutch and when Dutch was at his most psychology vulnerable Micah whispered in his ears nothing but false agreements simply to direct him where he wanted him to go. Micah was a true snake in the grass but that being said Dutch wanted to let loose, if anything you can see how much he loves chaos in the guise of it being for a purpose.
@@JupiterThndr probably because Micah inflated his ego, told him the things he wanted to hear not the ones he needed to
He was the prophet really like Hosea in the Bible. I read that that’s why they gave his character that name anyway
@@JupiterThndr the problem is that people started refusing to tell dutch what he wanted to hear because it was just the same mistakes over and over. but micah would because micah has something in common with dutch-he does whatever he wants. even if that is just killing for the fun of it and making it your personal mission to divide a gang of misfits in a tough situation.
arthur mentions in his journal that despite all his “needling”, micah always made sure to play it cool with dutch. dutch can be so... cavalier about other peoples’ deaths most of the time and the game wants us to know it started with blackwater. that’s why the strange man mentions the woman he killed there in the first game and why in the first mission arthur asks about it and dutch avoids the question entirely.
doesn’t mean he doesn’t truly care sometimes, but he does whatever he wants. micah allows that to happen because he sees an opportunity to exercise his own sadism and greed. he realized the unique tool that is dutch-a leader that’s easily led.
I feel like if Lenny and Hosea was alive they would've been in Arthur's side
And Kieran and Sean
and grimshaw and charles
@@standardrecreations everyone would side with Arthur except for Micha
Darth Jar Jar Well and the ones that did side with Dutch. Bill and Javier.
everyone would have sided with arthur, he was a great man, micah was the snitch from the start and everyone could see that but dutch wouldn’t listen because of how he couldn’t turn back on what he had done
He's one of the wisest character in the entire game he should have been the leader of the gang not dutch
Edit thanks for the likes
He should
Charisma is a bitch
He has wisdom but not the leader charisma like Dutch has. I definitely think Hosea is wiser but not leadership material
@@MountainGolf98 Finally someone says it
@@MountainGolf98 ok that's fair hosea doesn't have leadership skills
Dutch: "Okay, who do I trust, hmm...let's see. The two men who have been by my side for 20 years...or Micah. Hold on..."
*digs out brain with a fountain pen*
Dutch: "Micah it is!!"
Mr. Dalliard In Dutchs defense: He knew John for FIFTEEN years! 😊
@@mahyardolabi2936 I just went through the cutscene where Arthur was saying how he was in the business for 20 years
Micah really did manipulate him till no return.
@@mahyardolabi2936
He was talking about Arthur and Hosea, not John.
I like what Dutch's voice actor said about this he said to Dutch he wasn't betraying Arthur and John. They were betraying him and Micah wasn't even though Micah truly was the traitor
Sean before he died, "Oh so now it don't feel right?"
Hosea before he died "It just don't feel good Dutch,"
That sentence is a death sentence.
Mr.Stark i do not feel so good.
You damms all
RDR2 is such a tragic tale
Watching this gang full of lively interesting characters fall apart piece by piece and not being able to do a thing about it. A gang of thieves in a world that doesn't want them, trying to make it together. Seeing lovable characters die and leave all because Dutch cared more about being right than doing what was right. It's heartbreaking.
I tell my father something similar shortly before he grounds me for "talking back" and what I was warning him about ends up negatively affecting him.
“Our time has passed John....” Is one of the saddest quotes in the series. Dutch finally realizes the world is changing and his kind have no place in it because he refuses to change with the world.
What kind of world wants thieves?
@@MrQuest0 video game world
U gotta play smart and change with the world. Dutch would be a excellent politician with his charisma. Their gang should have step into politics and start to earn money the right way. Robing people in broad daylight is not the way to go. They need to transform from outlaws to mafia and dig claws into politics.
at the end he is right.. "We turned into a bunch of killers. i mean it"
True !
Yes but I still miss u guys
Hosea Matthews “love”
@@dixiefish0173 nope miss
Yeah but it’s fun
Really Hosea was the wise one and should have led the gang. Plus he was the real money man
He was
And Dutch should been the charmer
I don't think he could lead a gang tbh.. I don't think he had enough leadership qualities.
He was gonna die he was sick so that wouldn't have worked out or he led the gang died and Dutch took over by that time he would of figured out miach was the rat then there we go a happily ended game but who wants a happy ending I want a game that impacts me so I seek redemption that's why it's called red dead redemption
Rexkless.Steppa and it only really impacts you when the story got a bad ending?
3:00 this part always gets me. Micah admits he knows it's a trap, and probably knows that either Arthur or someone else would be taken as a hostage. How Dutch doesn't see through this speaks to his arrogance as a leader.
Micha telling Dutch that it will be fine because 'Arthur can just shoot them' is also a red flag. No matter how good the gunman is, you don't want to rely on one man to take out an ambush, anything can go wrong. ESPECIALLY on a 90% certain trap like that was.
@@the_tactician9858even worse, he TOLD Arthur exactly where he should be. It was definitely a trap.
Hosea just being big brain
Micah was a triple agent, rode with the Van der Linde gang as an O'Driscol to help the pinkertons, wonder how he didn't care about Milton taking abigail and also he didn't care about seeing Colm swing.
he knows because he told them to take arthur
When Hosea died I actually felt grief. He felt like a real friend even though he’s a video game character. Like a real friend you could go to for any type of advice. Damn I miss the dude. Great video though man.
Such a nice fella to hangout with
Same with Lenny for me. Lenny and Hosea were two of best side characters in the game.
Nick Name .my eyes became waterfalls when he died
Same wth lenny but for some reason i was angry
Hamish too
I would love to see the gang before the Blackwater job and see Dutch before he’s on the path to insanity
Same
Red Dead 3
utahrapter425 maybe that'll be the dlc? If there is one
Landon Ricketts there won’t be one and Dutch only goes insane because he picks up Micah and starts talking to him more than hosea and morgan
Yeah if there were an RDR3, thats where it would take place. Unfortunately, I can’t see a third game, (especially another prequel) as much as I want one, not feeling dry. It couldnt take place after RDR1 either, since the wild west is over. Sucks.
I bet if Rockstar knew in 2010 that an RDR2 was gonna happen, they would’ve made the RDR1 story more flexible for sequels and prequels.
Should have went West. If they did *SPOILERS!!:*
Arthur wouldn't get TB.
Arthur wouldn't get kidnapped by the goddamn O'Driscolls.
Arthur, Hosea, Lenny, Sean and Kieran would still be alive.
Jack wouldn't be kidnapped.
The Pinkertons (probably) wouldn't be able to track them down
Wouldn't have been stranded on Guarma.
Dutch wouldn't lose his mind.
Micah wouldn't betray the gang (But then again, it's Micah)
They would be in _TAHITI!_
Going to the west was a happy ending
Micah would still try and find a way to snitch
They chased them east how would going west towards the Pinkertons and the posses looking help?
Well...if the pinkertons were following them all that way, i would've went west instead of going to shady bell. That would've thrown off the pinkertons bc they wouldn't have expected that. All ditches plans were based on the pinkertons not expecting that move, but they did bc the pinkertons thought like the outlaws. They weren't that far off from being outlaws. They jst have badges.
John Marston would’ve survived aswell cos the events of Red Dead 1 wouldn’t have happened
“Sounds like he has more than enough to share!”
“Dutch!”
“I’m just Rilin’ you up Hosea, Gentlemen we are going to Horseshoe Overlook!”
*Credits Roll*
I think Dutch would be a perfect fit for a communist leader
Literally if everyone listened to Arthur, Hosea, and John literally the whole game could be avoided and they would be living a good life
Yep but RDR1 would be a whole lot different then
banana farmers in tahiti
@@r4ven22 lmao
Wtf is your profile picture man
Took the words right out of my head. If they did listen to them their would be no game.
I want RDR3 to be about a younger Hosea. He's one of my favorite characters in the whole series.
Me too.
well to bad r* is remastering gta v again which is all they seem to know
I would love rdr3 to be on hoseas pov or perhaps even Dutch, where it starts with just the two of them, then finding Arthur etc, perhaps the game should end when the gang is officially formed
I think a red dead game would suit Dutch’s character more, I don’t see hosea as much of a gunslinger type
@@unknownincognito2524 it would be nice if you were switching between the two, or starting as a low honor Dutch and slowly changing as you interact with Hosea more, they could showcase how Hosea affected Dutch, and make it even more prevalent why his death was so important to Dutchs morality and sanity
in #5 i legitimately thought you’d be able to choose to side with either dutch or hosea. i would have gone with hosea, without a doubt.
Same
Same
Since its a prequel, things cannot be undone ;w;
Right
Happy ending of you picked Hosea's side. It was Hosea's idea to rob the bank in the first place.
"You'll damn us all" was the moment where you as a player is warned about Dutch's Hypocrisy
All we had to do, was follow Hosea’s plan, Dutch!
Read that like Big Smoke "All we had to do, was follow the damn train CJ!"
I lost my goddamn faith after Hosea died. I started killing townsfolk in valentines.
Hosea's methods of being an outlaw was evolving with the times, even when sick and old, Hosea was the most contemporary.
Hosea was a scammer not a murderer like dutch
@@jghbi7682 Hosea wasn't as blinded by the ways of the past like Dutch was, living off his past glories.
@@jghbi7682 he was both
hosea’s insurance scam in blackwater would’ve probably been much more successful than the ferry robbery
@@rinzler1801 but scamming the Braithwaites and Grays was his idea, so it balances out.
Literally every clip of Hosea could have been here
Still a lot more
Hid plans with the greys didnt go so well tho. Him and dutch seemed to agree on those jobs, they both planned that shit.
I find it funny how Micah didn't know Dutch the longest, but it turns out he knew him the best. He knew that he could easily manipulate Dutch, simply by telling him what he wanted to hear, feeding his ego, and supporting him and his plans without a doubt, no matter how crazy or damning they may be. That's how Dutch ended up trusting someone like Micah over people who were truly loyal to him for years; and that's how Micah had such a great influence on the outcome of Dutch's plans. Considering this, it's no wonder why Dutch rarely listened to Hosea. Not only did Hosea not show the utmost faith in Dutch's judgement, but he advised against his plans and actions, thus showing doubt.
This game's story and characters are amazing!
I just love Hosea when he said "Parley? It's a trap"
Because unlike Dutch he knows Colm will just set a trap
@@BanishedSilentShadow3318 Agent Dutch knew it was a trap too, only it was for Arthur and not Dutch!
Micah: Well of course, it's probably a trap but what do we have to lose finding out?
Me: A lot, Micah. Your lives, for one.
@@Smasho8000 nahhh Micah knows its a vidya game
Do a video called "Why Uncle is ALWAYS right, and he's also so handsome"
Sounds as a funny video lol
@@IndoJordy well, get onto it then :)
No Uncle, There should be a video about How Your so called “Lumbago” is deadly, Lazy Bastard
Uncle one shot kid
@@dolfyparodies8309 its a serious medical condition...........
*RDR3 Needs to be about Dutch, Hosea, & Arthur in their younger days forming the gang up until the Blackwater Incident*
As Mac Callander
The entirety of rdr1 teases background story that we got as Rdr2, and in that one they talk about even more shit from longer before that. I really want to know just what the fuck was the history and what the Blackwater incident was really like. BUT, I still doubt we'll get another prequel that winds the clock back even further.
@@IndoJordy mac callander won't work. The weight system won't work since he's very fat. You can see that in the epilogue when u visit him in the general store in rhodes, the picture hung up. It's not Devin because he was pretty average.
Wind the clock till we know where Red Harlow is.
After RDR 1 and 2 i cant look Dutch in the eyes
Dutch never had any intentions of ever leaving the US, he wanted to keep the gang going for as long as possible. He had built a whole cult of personality around himself, he thought he knew it all but Hosea was there to leash him in. One of many problems was Hosea wouldn't put his foot down to Dutch, because he didn't want to undermine his authority since Dutch was the boss, not Hosea, but not doing so only allowed things to spiral downward more, he opted for a less direct approach and tried to correct Dutch's course, which of course didn't lead anywhere. After Hosea's death, Dutch didn't have anyone to keep him in line and he completely went off the rails which wasn't helped with Micah's influence.
When he stands over Arthur at the end, when he looks down at the man whom he considered a son, he sees only his failures, and the point is driven further in when Arthur tells him that he gave him everything that even Dutch who always sought to have the last word in can't even find the words.
I think he shoots Micah in the epilogue, not to help John, not even to attempt to correct a mistake that he should have corrected ages ago, he shoots him because he sees only himself in Micah.
6:03 when he reached for Arthur I felt sad how they didn’t pay attention to him.
Didn’t even notice the slight, yet powerful detail to attention
Should’ve listened to Hosea. I don’t know why he didn’t take his side. A lot of bad things that happened to the gang would’ve been prevented if Arthur had simply agreed with Hosea right there.
@@lancesuazo2062 Yeah that moment pulled me out of the story somewhat. Just don't know. It feels that given how much Arthur respects Hosea he shouldn't have brushed it all off as easily with a "well i guess business is business."
Like, yeah, Arthur doesn't think very highly of himself beyond just being the one who shoots those others tell him to shoot. But yeah, at that stage it just feels like he would have at least given more thought to what Hosea said and visibly felt, given how obvious of a bad idea it was to just waltz in there and get Bronte.
It might still have happened the way it did given that Dutch gets what Dutch wants basically, but just felt like too little resistence even from Arthur.
@@baumstammbruno yea ur right. In my opinion, Hosea was always the better, more wiser leader. He was calm and thought about things before taking action. Dutch wasn't like that at all. He was very assertive and felt like he was always right. It all started with the Blackwater Job and eventually led to the downfall of the gang.
“You’ll damn us all”
Hosea and Arthur would lead to gang to success without dutch
True that
But Dutch have charisma
@@DieTVPenner Arthur and Hosea have Charisma in spades, who even cares as long as the gang survive.
If Hosea and Arthur lisened to my plans and had some goddamn faith.We would've been on Tahiti harvesting mangoes.
@@dutchvanderlinde4295 God damn you, Dutch! Arthur gave you everything he had!
*Colm wanting a parley*
Dutch:
"Have you lost your minds?!"
"I don't see the point in any of this"
.
.
.
"LET'S GO!"
It’s Micah getting in his ear
@@deceivedemotions5405 Dutch gets manipulated so easily smh
i love the writing in this game, they utilize dutch's delusions as a plot device to extend the storyline and make it more fun
2:55 is my favorite. Hosea is just sitting there listening from afar and he already knows whaf will happen even without being in the conversation. Hosea was the wisdom of the gang.
I have a suspicion that Micah elaborated all of that parley BS with Colm just so Arthur could have been caught and get killed.
@@pedinhuh16 micah did that ALOT. He did so much bs to get arthur killed because everyone knew arthur was dutches second in comand. Hosea was his advisor but hosea wasnt a gunslinger so arthur takes #2. Micah eventually takes that spot in chapter 6 and thats what he wanted all along. I knew micah was trash in the mountains when he said we need to cut the weak.
"Forgive me if I can't think to much about the mango havest" hosea Matthews
Good quote
Ive got lumbago
@Ariella Ablang why it cracks me up is the idea of a gang of outlaws becoming mango farmers sounds ridicilous.
At least grow something that makes more money like tabacco or sugar. But no lets farm MaNgOs
Like if cartels used their money to suddenly open a lot of greenhouse businesses selling vegetables. Tbh they probably would actually make a shit ton of money still and actually do something legal. But i guess not as much money.
The cartels actually do, started with avocados.
I actually have a theory about the Colm parlay mission. I think that Micah was able to convince Dutch to give up Arthur in exchange that them and the odriscolls stop fighting. If your remember, Dutch says to Arthur before he goes to the lookout position, that if anything goes bad they would meet at these crossroads. As you know, Arthur was captured. But Dutch and Micah never looked for him, when they didn’t meet up with him. And as you also know, towards the end of the game you can see that Dutch’s mental health is deteriorating, so it makes you think that maybe his mental health had been deteriorating as early as chapter 3
I don't think Dutch turned bad as the story went on. I think he was always that way and finally got found out as every plan failed and his gang crumbled around him
@@terminallumbago6465 I think it was when he hit his head on the train in Saint denis
meme king 224 fnaf nah he always made stupid decisions, that trolley thing was not the explosion of ideas in his head. I do believe he not planned giving Arthur to Colm, but Micah yes. I think Micah was in touch to colm and the Pinkertins since the beginning
@@juan_juan2413 Hang around the camp at horseshoe overlook a little more. I assure you, he was slipping way before his head bump
@@yeetngreet148 really?
the wisdom in hosea really shines through when he tells dutch "forgive me if i can't think too much about the mango harvest.." really shows that wisdom lies in careful planning and execution and not in desire and reward
Playing as a young Hosea would actually be pretty exciting. Smack in the middle of the Wild West, as opposed to its decline or aftermath.
I think the same
Hoseas deadeye will be more op i guess
That would be cool.
I want this desperately. Even just a DLC - ANYTHING. I swear, no character has been requested for a RDR3 as much as Hosea has been.
Imagine playing as Hosea, Dutch and Arthur GTA V style
I have my moments
You have Hosea
Mr. Matthews, You should have been the leader of the gang.
@@a_great_punnyguy4393 that I should
HOSEA, YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO MY PLAN!
@@dolfyparodies8309 "every plan is a good plan if you execute it properly."
Hosea's death was the real cause of the gangs downfall!
Yup
it would’ve been amazing if there was two stories, where when hosea suggests moving west, and you had to convince dutch to either go west, or let him keep control to go east, and if you went west, only certain gang members would die as opposed to the other members killed, it’d give the game a hell of a replay value
You mean Like two more or less separate Stories?
@@luckydee2145 I believe what he says is, you pick a side and the story focuses on that one, like you probably not doing the Saint Denis job or getting the endings that RDR2 gives. It most likely means you go to the west and have different missions, a different gameplay in general, this also gives consequences, so certain people who might've died in the true RDR2 Lore, may live, while others who lived may end up dying.
@@rodolfo9876a Yeah, that would be awesome
I just don’t know how that would work in consideration of the rdr1 story. If the player does decide to go back west and wait it out the events of rdr1 would never happen. Also, as much as it pains me to say, it wouldn’t be much of a story.
Wouldn't make a good story that I think. RDR series is popular because it is basically an epic tragedy. Tragedy has the most significant effect on people according to may psychologists.
if Hosea was the leader of the gang they would've done off a lot better and people wouldn't have died
True
Yep
He is the co leader
I liked dutch alot in chapter 1 and 2 when it reached 3 to 6 oh i hated that sumbitch ever since
@@Spookboi13_ Hosea and Dutch are the leaders. They found the gang together. Arthur is the 2nd in command.
I've ever seen Dutch actually take advice from anyone. He listens, but if his mind is set, forget it.
And if you dare to disagree, you're a traitor, or a weak-minded.
Honestly, I liked Dutch... But his temper was really annoying right from the start, just well hidden
Nah Dutch literally ruined everything. He's almost worse than Micah because Micah is just an asshole but at least he's not stupid.
I remember one conversation with Dutch when we had just first got organized at Horseshoe Overlook. I had just found the gold bar in the burnt out village and came back with a nice buck and 2 plump turkeys and Dutch gives me the "I need you out there doing more for the camp" speech. Can't remember Arthur's auto response, but my thinking ... "Have you looked at the ledger Dutch?"
He took advice from micah though...
@@JedForge You got to do more when you were actually grinding 😂
Bad timing
dutch is a narcissist
Let’s be real, this was probably all Micah’s fault
Always has been
It actually was all micah's fault,this all happened just because of the ferry job in blackwater
It was both Dutch's fault and Micah's fault. Dutch for making terrible desicions that put everyone in danger, and Micah for enabling him even more.
It was Micah whispering in Dutch’s ear the whole time from ferry in black water to the end of the game
@@suitmanwithaknife4400 Micah was a rat, a "undercover cop" If you will
My favorite part of the game was hunting with hosea, it was one hell of a father son trip
That first time setting up a camp in beautiful view and first rabbit, unforgettable
Hosea: Smart and reasonable.
Dutch: Dumber than lumbago.
😮 lumbago ?
@@IndoJordy slow and painful death my brother
Lumbago is not stupid, it's a very smart disease.
@@BreakerG evidently?
@@rev1714 Have a little pitty will ya
#5 actually hit me real hard... I was SO pissed that I didn’t actually get a choice. And I was DISAPPOINTED in my boy, ARTHUR, like DID I RAISE YOU THIS WAY BOAH!!! NO!!!!!!!!!
Truee
boah lol
It fells like shit when you have high honor in chapter 2 and yet Arthur acts like a scumbag or when You don't beat Tommy or Thomas downes but the game acts like if you did it
Pretty much Micah's influence in the gang with manipulating Dutch is what caused the overall end of the Vanderlinde gang as well as Hosea getting shot. Hosea was the moral person who kept everyone level headed including Dutch and overall was the 2nd senior person next to Arthur of the gang. If they listened to Hosea more and ditched that weasel, Micah, the gang would've ended up a lot better than they did.
He was
Correction: the whole game would never have happened if Dutch listened to Hosea
2:00 Did nobody noticed how little Jack was looking at his future prey and little did Ross know itd be his hunter ...
And this scene happens while Jack and Arthur are fishing, paralleling how Jack confronts and kills Ross while Ross was fishing.
@@emilyprice178 Ross was duck hunting
Not fishing
@@patricioperez7323 evolved
God cringe comment.
Dutch's downfall was ignoring Hosea, a guy who had been by his side for years. Letting Micah in was a real big mistake as well, especially when he was only with the gang for a few months. It's quite obvious who he should've listened to.
He was
@@IndoJordy Yep. Gotta go with what's easier than what's harder.
4:45 is my favorite part. “Forgive me if I can’t think that far about the mango harvest”
Yeahhhhh
My reaction was exactly like hosea.
"You'll damn us all"
Chills every time...
In chapter 2 Hosea says to Jonh
"We have to die, but you have a chance"
What Arthur tells to John (with other words) in the end of the game?
Yup, also Hosea says to John be a man and Arthur 2
Should be extended to the 50 times Dutch should have taken his advice.
What you’re doing here, jack!
Agree jack
Im sorry there young fella, i had a plan
@@johnmarston4828 hi John
@@dutchvanderlinde9220 hi Dutch
When Hosea asked Arthur to break the tie on what we should do, I was upset that we couldn't actually chose who to side with. Because I would've chosen Hosea in a heartbeat.
Same
I'm still convinced that Dutch knew it's a trap with Colm all along, Arthur got captured and no one tried to rescue him, everybody else went back to camp as nothing happened. Even Dutch was so surprised in a bad way when Arthur managed to find his way back to camp alive. Dutch wanted to get rid of Arthur early.
Probably at the behest of Micah, because to him, Arthur was a threat since he could see through Micah's manipulation
@@augmundfireweave5348 nah man thats fcked up
Dutch was his own traitor
So i'm not the only One! Its obvius...
Not really dutch also said that Arthur was his favorite son
Micah consistently had stupid ideas the whole game and Dutch was like yeah this is the guy ima listen to till the end
And then brush off your wise best friend and partner for over 20 years. Nah this random Shady asf dude that you have known for 6 months
@@JupiterThndr dutch is the type of person who wants people to listen to him if they doubt him he gets irritated and not listen to them micah using his so called loyalty used dutch because arthur started doubting him
Red dead Redemption 3:
Hosea’s Untold Adventures
Yeah
It took a damn pinkerton agent to kill the old man.
Technically Red Dead 1 was Red Dead revolver and then Red Dead 2 is Red Dead Redemption and finally Red Dead 3 is Red Dead Redemption 2. So yea.
@@samanthamontgomery4740 yeah but rockstar said red dead revolver and red dead redemption wasn't in the same universe.
@@Adamsmasherfan2077 its in the same universe its just different stories
Low-key to me Hosea death was one of the saddest because he always tried to make deals and be safe but no one would listen too much 😞
True
That
True that’s right everyone definently appreciated hosea but the only one who listened to hosea was Arthur everyone else followed what hosea did just didn’t agree
lenny was my favorite character so i was heated after he died
borax Lenny was my 3rd favourite behind Hosea 2nd and Arthur 1st
What's sad is that even when Dutch was starting to lose his way, you know he cared about Hosea. Even when they started disagreeing you can tell Dutch would never touch Hosea.
I think this is the absolute breaking point for Dutch.
I wish that in chapter 2 if you donated like 2 thousand dollars there was a secret ending where we actually went to Tahiti and made a life there and when we left the map we abandoned Micah in prison and left him to rot
Sounds nice 👍
I think it’s more than that
Well everyone would do that instead of playing the story i think :D
Someone tried to do that and donated A MILLION DOLLARS which is 30 million in 1899
lLGuslL still remember that the box it’s just for the camp fund
This is a game you could just start over and play again and enjoy it
True that buddy
Steven Yi different experience every time I’ve played
As I played the game a second time I cried at the mission were you go hunting with hosea.
Hosea: "its a bad idea Dutch"
Dutch: "I don't remember that being my problem"