What annoys me is the entire time i just wanted to let him go and pay the debt myself, if only i could do that Arthur would be peacefully farming with John, Abigail, Jack, and Uncle (hopefully avoiding the first game).
Towards the later parts of the game when town people would make remarks about arthur health it hurt my feelings cause everytime i got off my horse arthur was spitting blood lol
Rival gangs couldn't kill him, The government couldn't kill him, Local "tough guys" couldn't kill him, But one sick/dying rancher was the one to kill Arthur.
@@amoresjohnwendell-os5ev I wouldn't say rich but you were certainly well off. Now if you had over $10,000 you would've been rich, or god forbid you had enough money to rival Rockefeller
@@amoresjohnwendell-os5ev they became rich after. In epilogue you can find proves of it in a newspaper or smth like that. Arthur gave them money and they multiplied it well.
You guys are pretty simple in the head. Arthur kills literally hundreds of people and that's only the half of his crimes. Still a great character though, but not a "good" person you nutters.
@@FoxenPiano Stop it, hes absolutely intended to be a good person with shades of grey, just because you didnt play him true to the characters intentions mean nothing. His notebook doesn't change from person to person and in it he makes it clear he doesn't pleasure kill. He also doesn't steal with violence's and refuses to steal from innocent people. Whenever he does shitty things or antagonizes people he knows they have "This isn't like you" dialogue for a reason. He refused to do blackwater because he wanted to do conartist shit with Hosea, who himself refused to kill unless provoked. He absolutely was intended to be a good person, the whole point of the series is to show how outside influence and a bad set of cards can shape a person into having to do bad things to get by. Thus why they end the series on Jack. Jack, Arthur, John they are all the same arc.
I feel ya. I experienced a glitch of sorts - on account of my perpetual wandering in the game - where, after sending the Downes' off to a better life, I saw Mrs Downes *again* hooking on the corner!
@@drewgoin8849 yeah, had that too. I don't think it was a glitch, just something the developers missed cause they forgot to connect the side missions with the main ones.
@@anthonyf616 It all depends on your definitions of good and evil. From my perspective, Arthur was a good man since the start. He was loving and caring. As Hosea said, "Sad thing is, good people do bad things."
personally saying, I think he was genuinely good person that was misguided by the gang methods and when he was facing certain death it showed the truth that he wouldn't let himself die before fixing as much as he could
The whole point of Arthur's character and the juxtaposition between Dutch is that Arthur was always a good person, even though his role in the gang was of a ruthless enforcer. While Dutch took the role of benevolent patriarch, he was NEVER a good person. As they came closer to the end, their trues qualities were revealed, and you find out who you actuallly should respect. The people like Micah, and Dutch, the fucking SNAKES, but even a snake has a natural sense of equilibrium with nature... The unnatural scum HATE people like Arthur, because they threaten his very nature. An honest person might stand to be around a liar, but a liar will NEVER stand for an honest person being around
This is what the game is all about... A redemption. maybe arthur can’t bring her husband back to life.. but at least he tried to help her and her son to live a better life, and he did... damn i love rockstar
Rafi Maulana to think it took a death sentence of a disease to wake Arthur Morgan....had he woken up before he contracted the disease he probably would’ve been a lot like John from RDR1
@@immortalslime2908 its kind of Truth in Television so to speak. Most people overlook most aspects of their life , in Arthur's case his health. It took death knockin' on his door to make him realise how valuable life actually is.
God I just really loved this side quest in the game, Arthur goes through lengths to look out for them, not for forgiveness or redemption but just to make things right or do the least he could do, he doesn't say sorry in hopes to be forgiven he says sorry because he genuinely is sorry for the thing he's done, Arthur's a good person and I love this aspect of him
What I love on this side mission is that shows how Arthur went from a jerk to a guy who now is trying to be better by trying to fix his mistakes and helping these family that he ruined... R* made such a great character build right there...
How to truly play RDR2 (in my opinion) From chapters 1-4 play with gray to low honour, but after getting off Guarma, start to get that honour up, as I personally feel this is when Arthur started to become a realist.
@Jaegar Ultima Its exactly why I absolutely HATED the mission where you had to beat the money out of him. Most of the debt collect missions are questionable as it is but that mission. That made me hate Strauss and it made me hate myself.
It's also heavily implied that the reason Thomas took the loan in the first place was in order to help the less fortunate. Not smart. But definitely an admirable act.
@@gcm22490 when you first enter the town and he's at his stand trying to raise funds. It'll be behind him. You can see which one by scaring him so he jumps on it to ride off. Pretty sure it's a Tennessee walker or Morgan or something of the like, it's brown and multicolored splotched.
That “I said don’t thank me” with the slight voice crack was great voice acting. It’s rare you can hear emotion like that in video games, especially in something as small as a side quest.
Great point, Roger Clarke's performance couldn't be better. Id just add though, that this quest is the key to Arthur's redemption. It's only unlockable if you play him as a good guy (high honour) and if you play him as a baddie, you'll never see it. I'd say it's integral to the story.
Yeah that line really got me the first time I played it. This game is an absolute masterpiece of storytelling, and Arthur is such an incredible character
@@LimbsMgee Yes! That's what I love about this - that the main storyline quests are pretty meaningless compared to the little side quests that are possible to miss or skip but tell the story of Arthur's redemption. It's like Sister Calderón (probably the character most similar to Arthur) says: good is something that you see through others; love is something that doesn't exist unless you do something selfless, perhaps meaningless, as a leap of faith, without any hope of personal gain. If you want to be happy, or 'good', or to understand the world, you have to live for others. Unless you got the lumbago, naturally.
@@LimbsMgee I think they made it this way to feel more relatable seing Arthur going from "cruel" to a man genuinely wanting to fix as much as he can, and the game gives a lot of chances to get high honor as you get to the last chapters
This feels way more emotional when you realised at this point arthur already know mr downes was the one that passed him the TB but he still choosed to help his family ...what a man
it’s not like any of it was the family’s fault at all, Arthur’s the one that chose to beat on a man with TB. He knows this which is why he feels so guilty for what he did
Although it was downes that passed him tb, he also knew that it was the consequences of his actions that made him recieve it. had he not beaten the man to death over a debt, he would still be alive.
He's trying to right his wrongs. He knows that Mr Downes passed the TB onto him because he was in his face, beating up a sick man over some debt. Arthur beat him so bad that he ended up killing him, now he feels guilty & tries to help his family to ease his conscious. He knows his actions were the ones that put him in the situation he's in, and he's trying to fix his bad decisions, but it's too late. Pretty much the whole moral of the game
@@travisghilonijr475 Yeah, but he wouldn't have gone nearly as far as he did without TB. I don't think that he would have disobeyed Dutch as much as he did if he didn't get TB
I always loved John's take on non-morality but with Arthur we all saw the duality of man come to light. Yes, Arthur did bad things by choice. Only when his own doomed mortality came to light, did he hit reverse. It's a sad paradox - and highly relatable. You only start to realize the damage you've done once it catches up to you. And even then it's never enough.
The way Arthur says "Don't thank me" at the end kills me every time. You can hear the guilt he has for what he's done and the frustration of only figuring out now another way to live, just from the sound of his voice. I don't think we've ever seen the man cry, but you can hear him choking the tears back. The delivery of that line, and how you could boil down his entire character arc into it, it just deserves all the awards for Roger Clark and for the writing staff.
According to interviews with the cast, every line like this where Arthur tears up/gets emotional is actually Rodger Clark crying and getting emotional over it. The writing is just that good, and the actors were that immersed with the story even in the mocap booth
It doesn't matter how many times I come back, when I get near the end there's so many scenes that make me cry. It's a beautiful game truly a masterpiece.
Arthur’s genuinely aggressive side shines through in these missions, and I love it to pieces. He’s really pissed off at himself for ruining the life of the family, and he’s pissed at the actions by others towards the family (like the miners towards her son) but he still uses this aggression for good, beating down the miners or scaring off anyone he needs to in order to help the family
I remember switching turns with my brother on the 360 to play the first season and man Lee's death really was super tragic, but it had to be done otherwise Clementine would have had to shoot him as a walker.
@@cel5207 I know having her kill Lee would've taught her that this world will be harsh, but in my heart of hearts, I couldn't let her do it. Not for my mercy, so I told her to leave me.
Mrs. Downes was mo-capped and voiced by a distant cousin of mine. She posted on her facebook when the game came out she had a bit part in it and my Dad told me and I was like "Oh shit, I ruined my cousin's life!"
Yeah, he knows he ruined it up, what he did wasn't right, with large ammount of other sins that outweight his good actions, but he didn't just ignored them, he tried to fix it, help them, he didn't looked for forgiveness, he just couldn't stand still and watch their lives go down, Arthur wasn't a really good man, but he wasn't a bad one, he was a good man in the bottom, who, as the Blind Man Cassidy says, followed the wrong star his whole life.
I ugly cry every time I play these scenes. Arthur trying so hard to right his wrongs and help them even if he doesn’t really think he knows how is so heart-warming but also sad.
Strange, when I returned to Annesberg after giving them money for the last time like in this video, I got a small cutscene where Arthur spots Edith going into a house with yet another customer..
6:41 and that's it, that's the best scene for me, seeing Mrs. Downes crying feels so personal to me. It's like seeing my mom single parenting me while getting yelled at her boss right in front of me. I can feel that she's ashamed for what she's done, she feels miserable, I see those eyes every time and I hate every single time of it. I just can't see a mother, especially a single parent mother crying.
I actually played a really nice Arthur Morgan, and I was really happy that the game gives you many opportunities to actually have a impact (for good or bad) on npcs. Just such a beautiful game, perhaps the best ive ever played. Arthur Morgan is such a well written character, and that's rare. Sadly.
I'm replaying that mission from the menu , so you get given default Arthur and a default horse. Not sure what breed it is, but it won't be anything special 👍
I like the idea that it was TB that opened up Arthur's heart most. When his mortality was on the line; he recognized he can't live with himself with the pain he's caused. He ain't out for redemption but doesn't want people to suffer more for his actions. Edith Downes is one example where he reocgnizes where he got it; and sees Edith's pain from his actions. He can't fix what happened, but he can get her somewhere better than the slum she was in. He'd rather see people not suffer by his hand beyond those who deserved it at that stage. If Arthur could get her and her son out of the ditch, he could understand his own suffering wasn't just in vain.
Same bro! I was like yo fuck this guy I already know he's about to get Arthur sick. Wasn't trying to fuck around with the Downes at all. Not once. But he still died lol
It's beautiful and scary how quickly Arthur realizes how he ruined the Downes and does everything to help them because he knows for a fact death is just behing his back. His mindless brute state stab him in the back by destroing his body but lilluminated him like no other human, and he used that to better or at least save some dammned souls Sadly Athur thought he was just a tool for people, thus, becoming one. Not a single person ended up remembering him in 1911 even tho he saved like 60% of the gang.
"Why are you doing this?" "I don't know." It's a beautifully written dialogue. True goodness is doing the right thing for no other reason than because it's the right thing.
He knows it. Won't cure him, and he knows it's not going to be a solution to get him into heaven. But you've still got to live with yourself til you die. Thats the hardest thing for us all
I especially liked the part where you ruthlessly attacked mrs downes 😱 just shocking honestly, come to think of it was it you that really wiped out the athletics club in tall trees and blamed the skinners 🤔😂
I'd be all over that option if possible. I delayed playing the Thomas Downes mission for ages. Literally doing everything but that. Can't delay the inevitable though. F*** Herr Strauss.
@@LimbsMgee same here. He came to me to remind me of (and force me to) visiting Downes after I received and read Mary Linton's first letter. And that adds another sad little thing to it: as Arthur gets to see her again, he's already infected, so even if it turned out best for the both of them, Mary would sooner or later have to mourn yet another lover/husband. This way at least she got her "pretty dream".
They were good people who made a very stupid mistake. I'm glad Arthur helped her and her son. It doesn't change what he did. But it showed that Arthur is a good man who committed terrible sins.
You could always tell after he did those recovery missions that he truly hated it...but Arthur is definitely capable of turning off some emotion to get the job done. He got less capable of that as the game went on
Arthur towards the end trying to repay all the bad things he done really makes me emotional, I'd love to go out the same way trying to repay for past mistakes
I actually don't like the theory/idea of Red Dead and GTA being the same universe. The tone of Red Dead is much more serious and character-focussed. GTA has bits of that, but it's still a firmly tongue-in-cheek cultural caricature, where the characters and setting are more comedic. The characters' stories in Red Dead feel like they really could've happened, whereas GTA is a Hollywood exaggeration.
I don’t think any other video game can ever beat RDR2’s story, a story that actually makes you cry, shows actual character progression, and all of the small details that mean so much!
Man, seeing Arthur sick and suffering of TB it just breaks my heart. He lived his final days in redemption, he always acts tough and doesn’t care about anything but deep inside he’s a good man that willing to help others in need. This game is truly a masterpiece.
Arthur makes it to the afterlife and meets with Thomas Downes, wanting to give a serious apology but not before hearing Downes not only forgive him but also thank him for helping his wife and son even when it was hard. Arthur jokingly forgives Downes for spitting on him, then the two have a laugh, befriend one another, and walk into the light.
Damn...I never knew of this until now and I even saw the honorable ending. I'm genuinely happy for this outcome for that family. I felt so shitty the whole time I was doing this branch of the side missions
@@032_m.alfathcirrus5 Micah wouldnt die fast enough, he would fuck a girl and not cover his mouth or spit/vomit in the face of someone he doesnt like without thinking If he found out he had a big disease he might spread it "just cause" Who knows what kind of epidemic would be his legacy
As sad as it is, I love how true this stays to the ripple effect of how it only takes one thoughtless, terrible, selfish act. To fuck up not just one person’s life but two even and can leave them in a bad way. Strauss knew when he loaned to those families they’d have no way to pay it back and he sent Arthur to do the dirty work after. How many other people suffered like Mrs. Downes did that Arthur didn’t get to? I’m certain this type of thing happens in real life too but the sad thing is, majority of the people that inflict that pain don’t end up turning it around. I’m glad Arthur at least got to do right by them. This game is simply fantastic.
That story is the core of RDR 2 in that his first encounter with Mr. Downes gave him TB. While he was undergoing the turmoil of his gangster life TB was as well a key element for his transformation. Like somebody said earlier Rockstar outdid itself with this master peace and reflection of life.
"Man unleashed? Then unleash goodness, not just hell's feeble brother, sir", "Help someone who can still be helped" All said with complete honesty in a Rockstar game... _a Rockstar game_
The way Arthur says "I said don't thank me" in 9:40 with a crack in his voice always gets to me. You'll also notice that as he does, the camera shows his hat (or head if you're not wearing it) covering his face. He can't even bear to look them in the eyes, and the pain in his voice reflects his shame. Arthur truly was a changed man here; an outlaw still, but a changed man carrying the pain of his own guilt to his grave.
I have to give it to rockstar for making me fall in love with this character, a no good stealing outlaw turned to a good man who is willing to put himself on the line for the people he cares for. Rest in piece Arthur🦌
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Everytime i see him cough on Arthur i wanna punch my monitor.
oh shit i just realize! Arthur caught TB from Him?!!!!!
@@claudy8857 Yep.
What annoys me is the entire time i just wanted to let him go and pay the debt myself, if only i could do that Arthur would be peacefully farming with John, Abigail, Jack, and Uncle (hopefully avoiding the first game).
@@DinoMan_6 Right before Christmas I was sick and had a horrible cough so I said I had TB
@@rkmurphy5648 I didn't even punch him to see if he looked any different but he went from okay to half dead by threats alone.
It's kinda depressing to see the workers not be afraid of Arthur when you know that if Arthur was healthy every single one of them would stay quiet
Towards the later parts of the game when town people would make remarks about arthur health it hurt my feelings cause everytime i got off my horse arthur was spitting blood lol
If Arthur was healty Micah wouldnt call him black lung and try to boss him around.
@@bloatersnake9787 facts healthy Arthur’s like 63 240. Micahs a normal size piss ant of a man. He woulda got tossed clean off that mountain
Even that one dude who kidnapped Tilly thought John was Arthur at first but came to the conclusion that Arthur was "Bigger".
@@codyjohns6525 In my second play ever time I got on or off my horse I made sure to pet and brush her
Rival gangs couldn't kill him,
The government couldn't kill him,
Local "tough guys" couldn't kill him,
But one sick/dying rancher was the one to kill Arthur.
Reality fucking sucks like that.
Unless you had bad honor in which the rat micha killed you.
@@C-Money_Tiers still. Arthur would have killed him if not for TB
@@xxtripleok , so. Micha was the one to finish him off, TB may have been a factor but in the end it was not the one to finish the job.
Nah because he would’ve beat micahs ass if he didn’t have tb
The fact that Archie still accepted Arthur's help. That kid actually swallowed his pride and anger. Respect
Indeed
The first time they met, Arthur said “Revenge Its a fools game” to him, archie understood good
I mean who wouldn't take the money. Hell, you having $100 back then could consider you a rich person
@@amoresjohnwendell-os5ev I wouldn't say rich but you were certainly well off. Now if you had over $10,000 you would've been rich, or god forbid you had enough money to rival Rockefeller
@@amoresjohnwendell-os5ev they became rich after. In epilogue you can find proves of it in a newspaper or smth like that. Arthur gave them money and they multiplied it well.
“He’s just a damn boy!!”
That really got to me. Arthur Morgan is a good man
ComicWriter 2020 See, I feel the same way. Even though kills a lot of people, he did have a moral code, even if he says he didn’t.
You guys are pretty simple in the head. Arthur kills literally hundreds of people and that's only the half of his crimes. Still a great character though, but not a "good" person you nutters.
@@FoxenPiano and you’re pretty damn rude.
@@FoxenPiano only if YOU played him like that. How would you know if these people didn't play him as a Pope in a cowboy hat?
@@FoxenPiano Stop it, hes absolutely intended to be a good person with shades of grey, just because you didnt play him true to the characters intentions mean nothing. His notebook doesn't change from person to person and in it he makes it clear he doesn't pleasure kill. He also doesn't steal with violence's and refuses to steal from innocent people. Whenever he does shitty things or antagonizes people he knows they have "This isn't like you" dialogue for a reason. He refused to do blackwater because he wanted to do conartist shit with Hosea, who himself refused to kill unless provoked. He absolutely was intended to be a good person, the whole point of the series is to show how outside influence and a bad set of cards can shape a person into having to do bad things to get by. Thus why they end the series on Jack. Jack, Arthur, John they are all the same arc.
Oh thank God, I thought she stayed as a prostitute. Atleast one person Arthur saved didn't have 20 bullet holes in his body in a ranch.
I feel ya. I experienced a glitch of sorts - on account of my perpetual wandering in the game - where, after sending the Downes' off to a better life, I saw Mrs Downes *again* hooking on the corner!
@@drewgoin8849 I had the same experience, it was so funny! It was because you did the side quests during chapter 5, and not 6
@@drewgoin8849 yeah that shit made me laugh so hard
@@drewgoin8849
yeah, had that too. I don't think it was a glitch, just something the developers missed cause they forgot to connect the side missions with the main ones.
Why you gotta bring it up like that tho :')
The fact that Arthur tried to apologize to Edith before he got diagnosed with TB shows that he was a good person before then.
I wouldn't go that far. But he had a conscious. Unleashed his goodness the best he could when he got sick
@@anthonyf616 It all depends on your definitions of good and evil. From my perspective, Arthur was a good man since the start. He was loving and caring. As Hosea said, "Sad thing is, good people do bad things."
personally saying, I think he was genuinely good person that was misguided by the gang methods and when he was facing certain death it showed the truth that he wouldn't let himself die before fixing as much as he could
The whole point of Arthur's character and the juxtaposition between Dutch is that Arthur was always a good person, even though his role in the gang was of a ruthless enforcer. While Dutch took the role of benevolent patriarch, he was NEVER a good person.
As they came closer to the end, their trues qualities were revealed, and you find out who you actuallly should respect.
The people like Micah, and Dutch, the fucking SNAKES, but even a snake has a natural sense of equilibrium with nature...
The unnatural scum HATE people like Arthur, because they threaten his very nature. An honest person might stand to be around a liar, but a liar will NEVER stand for an honest person being around
Not really.
He admitted to Jimmy Brooks and JJ Weathers he isn't good.
This is what the game is all about... A redemption. maybe arthur can’t bring her husband back to life.. but at least he tried to help her and her son to live a better life, and he did... damn i love rockstar
Rafi Maulana to think it took a death sentence of a disease to wake Arthur Morgan....had he woken up before he contracted the disease he probably would’ve been a lot like John from RDR1
@@immortalslime2908 It was almost as hard to wake John up too. But John wasn't so unlucky as Arthur
@@paulghencea9037 yeah that’s true, damn I loved this game going to have to play it again now that it’s out on PC
@@immortalslime2908 its kind of Truth in Television so to speak. Most people overlook most aspects of their life , in Arthur's case his health. It took death knockin' on his door to make him realise how valuable life actually is.
What? You love the writers, you mean.
“I suffer for it everyday”
This line nearly brought me to tears you can sense the sadness in his voice and that he regrets killing Thomas
He didn’t do on purpose but he did made a mistake going to the property and collecting the debt
Yeah while he did beat him Arthur didn’t realize he was sick and sooner or later it passed on to him!
God I just really loved this side quest in the game, Arthur goes through lengths to look out for them, not for forgiveness or redemption but just to make things right or do the least he could do, he doesn't say sorry in hopes to be forgiven he says sorry because he genuinely is sorry for the thing he's done, Arthur's a good person and I love this aspect of him
And that last “I said don’t thank me.” Nearly brings a tear to my eye.
He didn’t kill him
What I love on this side mission is that shows how Arthur went from a jerk to a guy who now is trying to be better by trying to fix his mistakes and helping these family that he ruined... R* made such a great character build right there...
Could sum all that up with one word... Redemption. ;)
But I still have low honor
@@pyramid6782 Redemption... Shawshank Redemption. Another great title about redemption. Coincidence?
Martin VR I hated Arthur at the begging but the oh boi
How to truly play RDR2 (in my opinion)
From chapters 1-4 play with gray to low honour, but after getting off Guarma, start to get that honour up, as I personally feel this is when Arthur started to become a realist.
Thomas really was the good guy in a way, giving Arthur tuberculosis made him realize that his life was horrible.
Vastra shit man funny creepy coment
Hosea gave Arthur TB :O
Well you can say that your sanra
@Jaegar Ultima Its exactly why I absolutely HATED the mission where you had to beat the money out of him. Most of the debt collect missions are questionable as it is but that mission. That made me hate Strauss and it made me hate myself.
It's also heavily implied that the reason Thomas took the loan in the first place was in order to help the less fortunate. Not smart. But definitely an admirable act.
The Downes family is everything to the story. They haunt Arthur. They're his conscience. And the catalyst for becoming a better man.
perhaps the most intriguing and thought provoking and enlightening youtube comment i've read in years.
And the splash back of his bad behavior, consequences Mr Morgan , consequences !
I always steal Thomas downes horse in Valentine in chapter 2😂
@@TheMightyGoldenWesti didn’t know you could do that. 😱
What’s his horse, and where is it located?
@@gcm22490 when you first enter the town and he's at his stand trying to raise funds. It'll be behind him. You can see which one by scaring him so he jumps on it to ride off. Pretty sure it's a Tennessee walker or Morgan or something of the like, it's brown and multicolored splotched.
I love how Arthur died of something more natural compared to John who died from being shot like a thousand times.
Not a thousand. Only 376
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@@Kj-eb6bq well compared to everything John has been through, 300 is a bit small of a number
@@asylumskp4391 Dababy? No fuckin way!
@MyNameIsMak the fuck you mean ?
Arthur: Don't thank me
Archie: Thank you Mr. Morgan
Arthur: Am I a joke to you?
Manuel Benitez dude 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
hahahhahahahha
loads revolver with evil intent
@@bowenlavalley3297 😅
"Well, boah, guess it's 'bout time your momma goes back in black..."
*Gun loading sounds*
I love how Arthur weakly tried to use Dutch's "Man unleashed " talking point and Mrs. Downes immediately recognized just how empty it was.
I never even caught that, that's really cool
That's a really insightful. I've never thought about it like that during all my playthroughs of the game.
“All I know is how to fight”
I knew Arthur never should have done these seedy missions. And I'm Gavin, so trust me, I know.
Gavin Seim lol
Either ways that's his fate in the game
Your friend still roams between rhodes and annesburg
I found u!
Yo there’s someone looking for you
That “I said don’t thank me” with the slight voice crack was great voice acting. It’s rare you can hear emotion like that in video games, especially in something as small as a side quest.
Great point, Roger Clarke's performance couldn't be better. Id just add though, that this quest is the key to Arthur's redemption. It's only unlockable if you play him as a good guy (high honour) and if you play him as a baddie, you'll never see it. I'd say it's integral to the story.
Yeah that line really got me the first time I played it. This game is an absolute masterpiece of storytelling, and Arthur is such an incredible character
@@LimbsMgee Yes! That's what I love about this - that the main storyline quests are pretty meaningless compared to the little side quests that are possible to miss or skip but tell the story of Arthur's redemption. It's like Sister Calderón (probably the character most similar to Arthur) says: good is something that you see through others; love is something that doesn't exist unless you do something selfless, perhaps meaningless, as a leap of faith, without any hope of personal gain. If you want to be happy, or 'good', or to understand the world, you have to live for others. Unless you got the lumbago, naturally.
Well it’s performance capture not voice acting.
@@LimbsMgee I think they made it this way to feel more relatable seing Arthur going from "cruel" to a man genuinely wanting to fix as much as he can, and the game gives a lot of chances to get high honor as you get to the last chapters
This feels way more emotional when you realised at this point arthur already know mr downes was the one that passed him the TB but he still choosed to help his family ...what a man
it’s not like any of it was the family’s fault at all, Arthur’s the one that chose to beat on a man with TB. He knows this which is why he feels so guilty for what he did
Arthur is a dog burning in Hell for eternity lol, he beat a family man to death over a few dollars and some people think he deserver pity XD
Although it was downes that passed him tb, he also knew that it was the consequences of his actions that made him recieve it. had he not beaten the man to death over a debt, he would still be alive.
@@beyondviolet exactly. Way too many rdr fans low-key downes even tho it wasn't his fault.
He's trying to right his wrongs. He knows that Mr Downes passed the TB onto him because he was in his face, beating up a sick man over some debt. Arthur beat him so bad that he ended up killing him, now he feels guilty & tries to help his family to ease his conscious. He knows his actions were the ones that put him in the situation he's in, and he's trying to fix his bad decisions, but it's too late. Pretty much the whole moral of the game
If money lending and other sins wasn’t canon.Arthur wouldn’t have to suffer from TB....
Yeah but then all that character development would go down the drain
he would continuosly be the asshole he is if it werent for TB
@@CatCatCat19 he was changing before he knew that he got TB. He was calling Dutch's bs way before he got tb
I blame Straus for everything.
@@travisghilonijr475 Yeah, but he wouldn't have gone nearly as far as he did without TB. I don't think that he would have disobeyed Dutch as much as he did if he didn't get TB
MUNEH
@Arthur Morgan Get well soon!
PLAN
LENNNAAAAAAYYYYYY
LimbsMgee TAHITI
Oh, Arthur.
I always loved John's take on non-morality but with Arthur we all saw the duality of man come to light. Yes, Arthur did bad things by choice. Only when his own doomed mortality came to light, did he hit reverse. It's a sad paradox - and highly relatable. You only start to realize the damage you've done once it catches up to you. And even then it's never enough.
Damn bro deep
@@KirkTacticz Thanks man I tried really hard
The way Arthur says "Don't thank me" at the end kills me every time. You can hear the guilt he has for what he's done and the frustration of only figuring out now another way to live, just from the sound of his voice. I don't think we've ever seen the man cry, but you can hear him choking the tears back. The delivery of that line, and how you could boil down his entire character arc into it, it just deserves all the awards for Roger Clark and for the writing staff.
According to interviews with the cast, every line like this where Arthur tears up/gets emotional is actually Rodger Clark crying and getting emotional over it. The writing is just that good, and the actors were that immersed with the story even in the mocap booth
@@xweert711 Goddammit man. Both RDR2 and God of War got similar things. Christopher Judge cried a lot in some scenes too. Like the Blades scene.
The one line that always makes me teary eyed is when he is talking to the Sister and tells her that he is honestly afraid. I can't get over it.
It doesn't matter how many times I come back, when I get near the end there's so many scenes that make me cry. It's a beautiful game truly a masterpiece.
@@st_raziel2283 i ALWAYS cry! i can’t help it
Damn Arthur was a hell of tank
Even when he’s sick and about to die
No one can beat him
He probably has very good mental toughness
Except Micah
@@McHuman-dt5xb not even Micah, he got his ass saved by Dutch stepping on Arthur's hand
@@McHuman-dt5xb *Except Tommy
@@DrikTrajado true
4:21 Arthur looks healthy there...
You're right how odd
Probably a glitch because the game just came out (back in 2018)
*HES JUST A GAWD DAMN BOAH*
your profile pic is sexy af
@@donnyallard9635 ur horny BOAH
@@donnyallard9635 ayo?-
@@ajgarciaii8218 if your a woman then yes
@@greuss2105 bruh
*you attacked Edith Downes* by coughing at her
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@@YeBoiGhost lol
@@marpinn508 What's corona
Arthur’s genuinely aggressive side shines through in these missions, and I love it to pieces. He’s really pissed off at himself for ruining the life of the family, and he’s pissed at the actions by others towards the family (like the miners towards her son) but he still uses this aggression for good, beating down the miners or scaring off anyone he needs to in order to help the family
This game is so beautiful. I've never teared up this much since the first season of The Walking Dead Telltale series when Lee died.
@Kevin My Dude the use of music gets me in this game. 'Fire in your eyes' and the 'way it is' are just fantastic
I'm Not Here lees death got me it was so sad
Lee was the best. ✌️
I remember switching turns with my brother on the 360 to play the first season and man Lee's death really was super tragic, but it had to be done otherwise Clementine would have had to shoot him as a walker.
@@cel5207 I know having her kill Lee would've taught her that this world will be harsh, but in my heart of hearts, I couldn't let her do it. Not for my mercy, so I told her to leave me.
"Why are you doing this"
"I dunno"
- Mr. Morgan 1899
-Eren Yeager, chapter 139
The rdr1 dutch "sports i guess" dialogue climbed into my head when i read this
Mrs. Downes was mo-capped and voiced by a distant cousin of mine. She posted on her facebook when the game came out she had a bit part in it and my Dad told me and I was like "Oh shit, I ruined my cousin's life!"
Why what’s the story? You killed her husband too?
@@Mentelgen-1337 He owed us moneh!
I said whatchu lookin at woman lolo
first repku
An angry feminist appears from the bush
@@chrisgould101 the feminist from St Denis or the Rhodes protest group
@@KronoriumKid gona look that up
@@KronoriumKid dam I remembered her now my ex gf had to stop me from blowing her away and being arrested
4:43 "I'm sorry son, sorry about all of this"
That line hit me hard. You can tell how genuinely sorry he felt.
You can see there how he didn't wanted to kill thomas
Yeah, he knows he ruined it up, what he did wasn't right, with large ammount of other sins that outweight his good actions, but he didn't just ignored them, he tried to fix it, help them, he didn't looked for forgiveness, he just couldn't stand still and watch their lives go down, Arthur wasn't a really good man, but he wasn't a bad one, he was a good man in the bottom, who, as the Blind Man Cassidy says, followed the wrong star his whole life.
That line killed me too... his voice highlighted his regret of killing the boy's father
Kudos to the voice actor
Roger Clark 👍
yeah, that line made me hard too
I ugly cry every time I play these scenes. Arthur trying so hard to right his wrongs and help them even if he doesn’t really think he knows how is so heart-warming but also sad.
The Assassination of Arthur Morgan by the Coward Thomas Downes.
Pisqué Dune Lol 😂
Pisqué Dune I like that
Thomas wasn't a coward.
@@longblack666 ........ *sigh*
Slow and Painful death
Strange, when I returned to Annesberg after giving them money for the last time like in this video, I got a small cutscene where Arthur spots Edith going into a house with yet another customer..
@Falgren A few people have said that now. It's the first I'd heard of it. Will keep an eye out for it 👍
I thought I imagined that, guess not
Same
Same. I thought it was just how the quest ended with the realization that she couldn’t change or something
I'm pretty sure that's how the original quest was supposed to start but it would also give you the quest if you just happen to spot her in Annesburg
Arthur saying “Don’t thank me, Just GO!” Brings tears to my eyes. Hands down the best video game character ever
can we just appreciate how amazing the voice actor for arthur is? He conveys so much emotion
It's not voice acting
@@mrducky179 then what is it?
@@monobiteme6014 I think what the comment was trying to say. It's not JUST voice acting, but acting as well due to motion capture.
''No, it's not I just made that up.'' Awwww damn it, I tought you seriously meant it.
@kuddraCube HD I did check before putting it in. Then put it in anyway 😂
@@LimbsMgee 😂
6:41 and that's it, that's the best scene for me, seeing Mrs. Downes crying feels so personal to me. It's like seeing my mom single parenting me while getting yelled at her boss right in front of me. I can feel that she's ashamed for what she's done, she feels miserable, I see those eyes every time and I hate every single time of it. I just can't see a mother, especially a single parent mother crying.
I actually played a really nice Arthur Morgan, and I was really happy that the game gives you many opportunities to actually have a impact (for good or bad) on npcs. Just such a beautiful game, perhaps the best ive ever played. Arthur Morgan is such a well written character, and that's rare. Sadly.
I think the horse stepped on her foot so it counted as you attacked her LMAO
@goodshow man my horse is more devious than others...😑😂
LimbsMgee ur horse knew Thomas gave u it so it hurt him
He's a good boy 😂
@@LimbsMgee what horse breed do you have
I'm replaying that mission from the menu , so you get given default Arthur and a default horse. Not sure what breed it is, but it won't be anything special 👍
I like the idea that it was TB that opened up Arthur's heart most. When his mortality was on the line; he recognized he can't live with himself with the pain he's caused. He ain't out for redemption but doesn't want people to suffer more for his actions.
Edith Downes is one example where he reocgnizes where he got it; and sees Edith's pain from his actions. He can't fix what happened, but he can get her somewhere better than the slum she was in. He'd rather see people not suffer by his hand beyond those who deserved it at that stage. If Arthur could get her and her son out of the ditch, he could understand his own suffering wasn't just in vain.
I stayed far away from him when I replayed that mission but the game made me go up to him
@Trainer Grim same! 😂
Ikr i didnt wanted to hit the guy and kept interrogating him..
Same bro! I was like yo fuck this guy I already know he's about to get Arthur sick. Wasn't trying to fuck around with the Downes at all. Not once. But he still died lol
I Just go here and talk with Thomas wife and she have me the money and arthur Just leave so i musnt Got a tb would i?
I came back to camp at 3 am and Mr Strauss went to me in his Pajamas and went "Herr Morgan, Herr Morgan, go and catch fucking TB because Money!"
Lennayyyyyy ...... LeNnAYyYYyyY !!! Ey feLlAr YoU sEEn LeNny ?
Select Obvi shut the fuck up
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How many have you had pal?
It's beautiful and scary how quickly Arthur realizes how he ruined the Downes and does everything to help them because he knows for a fact death is just behing his back. His mindless brute state stab him in the back by destroing his body but lilluminated him like no other human, and he used that to better or at least save some dammned souls
Sadly Athur thought he was just a tool for people, thus, becoming one. Not a single person ended up remembering him in 1911 even tho he saved like 60% of the gang.
Just when I thought RD2 couldn't bring more tears to my eyes, goddamnit Arthur was such a good man!
I always smile when he's kind to animals. It's like they don't give him any trouble. Apart from the cougars, alligators, bears and wolves of course.
Chris Eklund not in my game he wasn't
@@supercomputer0448 Sure of course, but we all know the game was meant for a good karma Arthur.
He wasn't a good man, but he became aware and tried to change. He's very human :)
@@0042090 great way of putting it.
In GTA 5, The Golf Course was called "The Edith Downes Old Course"
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No it's not. I just made that up
This killed me.
@TheGoldenSea not everyone saw it 😂
bruh I just spent 10 mins looking for this, I couldn't find it on the wikia so I launched the game xD
"Why are you doing this?"
"I don't know."
It's a beautifully written dialogue. True goodness is doing the right thing for no other reason than because it's the right thing.
Where's our MONEH?
Gabriel Augusto BOAH
if im skinning anyone im skinning you BOAH
HAVE.SOME.GOD.DAMN. *FAITH* Awlll I nead is soume munehy
Where's my lunch moneh?
Boah!
i dont understand why you become wanted "dead or alive" when mrs downes says that u are bothering her lol
cops are simps
low honor maybe
Depends when yo do it, you get Wanstead dead or alive in Saint Denis after completing the heist
@@Jumbo_J shut up
Modern day police
Arthur saying "Don't thank me" is so heartbreaking. Sure he helped them but he was the reason they ended up like this and he regrets it
That they ended up rich ?
@@splashnskillz37all the money in the world is not worth even one extra minute with your loving father/husband
@@portland9880 ik, but at a macro level the lineage ascended to better condition in life at the very least
He knows it. Won't cure him, and he knows it's not going to be a solution to get him into heaven. But you've still got to live with yourself til you die. Thats the hardest thing for us all
7:30 slightly bumps Edith with horse
Game: and I took that personally
“You couldn’t kill no one”
.....
Ma’m I literally shot 10 people on the way here.
"You attacked Edith Downes" killed me
See how Arthur morgan turned good in the end?
He found redemption
@Watinki you shouda made him good
@Watinki u evil bastard. By staying evil honour, u get killed by Micah. I'm lucky I changed in the last chapter after being evil the first 5
Is that a JoJo reference ?
Good boah
I especially liked the part where you ruthlessly attacked mrs downes 😱 just shocking honestly, come to think of it was it you that really wiped out the athletics club in tall trees and blamed the skinners 🤔😂
Haha there was a second out take I was gonna leave in where I grappled her son Archie by the face when we returned 😂
Lmao you should have and instead of saving him from the miners you should have coughed on him because ya know the sins of the father 😬😂😂
I'd be all over that option if possible. I delayed playing the Thomas Downes mission for ages. Literally doing everything but that. Can't delay the inevitable though. F*** Herr Strauss.
@@LimbsMgee same here. He came to me to remind me of (and force me to) visiting Downes after I received and read Mary Linton's first letter. And that adds another sad little thing to it: as Arthur gets to see her again, he's already infected, so even if it turned out best for the both of them, Mary would sooner or later have to mourn yet another lover/husband. This way at least she got her "pretty dream".
@@LimbsMgee lol
8:20 basically the two options for the end lol
"Help someone who still can be helped" (Help John escape)
"Or Help yourself" (go after the money)
It's crazy how well this game was written
They were good people who made a very stupid mistake. I'm glad Arthur helped her and her son. It doesn't change what he did. But it showed that Arthur is a good man who committed terrible sins.
“now don’t get yourself killed because of your pride” is one of my favorite quotes
Someone else who waits for every piece of dialogue to go through?
A man of culture I see.
It's only polite
but if you wait it could get characters killed
The way Arthur dips when she tries to snitch
that “leave the boy alone..” gave me chills i was like “😳”
You could always tell after he did those recovery missions that he truly hated it...but Arthur is definitely capable of turning off some emotion to get the job done. He got less capable of that as the game went on
"you did everything for him. You loved him....let's get you home" the tone in which Arthur spoke low-key had a Rick Grimes feel to it.
“Mission Failed we’ll get it next ti-“
“AYO WHAT DID I DO MOTHERFU-“
FRRRR
Archie is such a chad. He takes care of his mother and never once wanted revenge on Arthur.
Something about the way Arthur said, “leave the boy alone” made me think he wanted to protect his own son like that
“Help someone who could still be helped, or help yourself”
- Edith Downes
For the first time in my life, I felt really connected with the Arthur’s character.
The best, ever !
Arthur towards the end trying to repay all the bad things he done really makes me emotional, I'd love to go out the same way trying to repay for past mistakes
This story is so well written I've fallen in love with its characters immediately
Karma came for him but we spent a whole game getting to know Arthur as he redeems himself and then feel sad when he dies, such a great story.
I said what chu LOOKIN AT WOMUN!!??
Damn... to think Trevor (for me at least) ends up buying the golf course. Damn Rockstar, you got some very good writers working for you
The golf course thing isn't true. Just look it up.
The golf thing is true. It's stated on one of the newspaper in 1907.
@@Hazkal-ep3zs Yeah, the golf thing is true, but the name of the course in GTA V isn't what he said
I actually don't like the theory/idea of Red Dead and GTA being the same universe. The tone of Red Dead is much more serious and character-focussed. GTA has bits of that, but it's still a firmly tongue-in-cheek cultural caricature, where the characters and setting are more comedic. The characters' stories in Red Dead feel like they really could've happened, whereas GTA is a Hollywood exaggeration.
@@MPal24 they’re not. places like Manhattan are directly referenced in the RDR universe, which would contradict the existence of Liberty City.
I don’t think any other video game can ever beat RDR2’s story, a story that actually makes you cry, shows actual character progression, and all of the small details that mean so much!
Witcher 3 game
awh man, i wish i found this story line. This made me love Arthur even more.
Man, seeing Arthur sick and suffering of TB it just breaks my heart.
He lived his final days in redemption, he always acts tough and doesn’t care about anything but deep inside he’s a good man that willing to help others in need.
This game is truly a masterpiece.
Arthur makes it to the afterlife and meets with Thomas Downes, wanting to give a serious apology but not before hearing Downes not only forgive him but also thank him for helping his wife and son even when it was hard.
Arthur jokingly forgives Downes for spitting on him, then the two have a laugh, befriend one another, and walk into the light.
i doubt it be to that extent but maybe a small thank you could be possible
Downes: "Just one last thing."
Arthur: "What's that?"
Downes: **kicks him in the dick** "Now we're even."
Arthur: "Okay...that's...fair enough..."
I love Arthur too..but.. i don't think he's in heaven
@@ZanoladabLmao that's YOUR Arthur that goes to hell. Not OUR Arthur and definitely sure as fuck not MINE.
@@Zanoladab Yeah, Arthur himself said he would feel fooled if he went to heaven
Damn...I never knew of this until now and I even saw the honorable ending. I'm genuinely happy for this outcome for that family. I felt so shitty the whole time I was doing this branch of the side missions
This is so heart breaking...I didn’t know they have the other storyline
I love how he sounded like Dutch with the “this country is man unleashed” when he tried to apologize at first
3:52 whew...just the perfect delivery
so that's where Arthur got the TB I see...when he coughed in his face?
@SheWantMe yeah gross 😕
Arthur should've done that to Micah too...
@@032_m.alfathcirrus5 Micah wouldnt die fast enough, he would fuck a girl and not cover his mouth or spit/vomit in the face of someone he doesnt like without thinking
If he found out he had a big disease he might spread it "just cause"
Who knows what kind of epidemic would be his legacy
He actually caught it when Mr Downes caught blood in his mouth not his face you can see Arthur spitting it out
As sad as it is, I love how true this stays to the ripple effect of how it only takes one thoughtless, terrible, selfish act. To fuck up not just one person’s life but two even and can leave them in a bad way. Strauss knew when he loaned to those families they’d have no way to pay it back and he sent Arthur to do the dirty work after. How many other people suffered like Mrs. Downes did that Arthur didn’t get to? I’m certain this type of thing happens in real life too but the sad thing is, majority of the people that inflict that pain don’t end up turning it around. I’m glad Arthur at least got to do right by them. This game is simply fantastic.
That story is the core of RDR 2 in that his first encounter with Mr. Downes gave him TB. While he was undergoing the turmoil of his gangster life TB was as well a key element for his transformation. Like somebody said earlier Rockstar outdid itself with this master
peace and reflection of life.
Redemption.
Your joke at the end with the GTA 5 course really wasn't appreciated enough, you made me chuckle
Finally! A connoisseur 👍
"Don't let yourself get killed for pride"
-Arthur morgan
that actually change my life.
0:13 death sentence enters the chat
"Man unleashed? Then unleash goodness, not just hell's feeble brother, sir", "Help someone who can still be helped"
All said with complete honesty in a Rockstar game... _a Rockstar game_
3:06, 8:58
They are evidence that Arthur Morgan has more heart than all the other Rockstar protagonists together.
Quite a Story..You Covered from start to finish..Great Work
@Naveen Perpaga very kind 😄 thank you 👍
3:12 “Stop bullying the boy.” The developers really did magic there.
It is amazing how much you can miss in this game if you are not paying attention. The developers did an amazing job.
9:15 Archie raising his eyebrow like it's deal or no deal
Hence the name “Archie” I guess.
The way Arthur says "I said don't thank me" in 9:40 with a crack in his voice always gets to me. You'll also notice that as he does, the camera shows his hat (or head if you're not wearing it) covering his face. He can't even bear to look them in the eyes, and the pain in his voice reflects his shame. Arthur truly was a changed man here; an outlaw still, but a changed man carrying the pain of his own guilt to his grave.
This is the nicest thing I have seen in RDR2
I have to give it to rockstar for making me fall in love with this character, a no good stealing outlaw turned to a good man who is willing to put himself on the line for the people he cares for. Rest in piece Arthur🦌
He’s just a goddamn *BOAH*
On my second playthrough, the second the guy coughed I had a 5 minute cry