The Gang Discusses how they met Dutch (Part 1) / Hidden Dialogue / Red Dead Redemption 2
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- Sean, Bill, Javier and Micah Discuss the First Time they met Dutch
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Makes a lot more sense that bill and javier sided with dutch now
Kenny Gudz I expected bill to stick with Dutch from the beginning but I was so disappointed In Javier.. he was my favorite until I played again, came back to camp more, and saw how aggressive he actually is.
Julian Guardiola yup and it’s not a glitch or flaw either. On my controller I pressed the key pad arrow pointing up ^ and it raises your gun to the air while you aim. You can still shoot too.
@Julian Guardiola That was actually a choice on his actor's part, because he thought that realistically Javier would never point his gun at John or Arthur, the other folks at Rockstar wanted him to point his gun at them like the others but he fought hard enough that they let him keep his gun in the air.
We actually got a good insight on Bill, I like him a lot more now. People hate on the "bad guys" (Dutch,Javier,Bill) but they forget that all of these characters are outlaws,they're all horrible people.
Rijn same here I liked Javier so much
I feel a lot more for bill than I ever did after that little heart to heart. Always just thought he was a tool. He’s actually a very sensitive and sad man.
Yeah in Rdr1 he had a lot less characterization.
robert campbell By then the dementia was in full swing. Whatever was left of Bill was gone, replaced by a bloodthirsty savage born out of a broken mind.
@@BlackIce3190 dementia?
robert campbell Yep. It’s in another of his camp dialogues, when he’s talking about his father and how he went insane from it. He worries it’s going to hit him too...and he was right.
@@BlackIce3190 I mean he might, I guess.
A lot of similarities with this gang and a cult. Dutch finds people at their low points and builds them up. Thus insuring loyalty while having himself look like a savior.
That's what gangs and cults do
I think to some extent Dutch really cared about the gang, but at the same time it's pretty obvious he was enjoying the god complex from all of them. I think a lot of his confusion and actions towards the end were the result of his whole image coming down, he did care about the gang but from like Chapter 6 onward he was thinking about himself and just how others saw him
Yeah but Dutch didn’t try to control what people did on their off time, unless it’s telling people where the gang is
Just like Mary’s brother and the chelonians. A lost kid with nowhere to go, gets conned into a group that preaches safety in numbers and living free, saying that they know the truth of the world.
@@glowhoo9226 had Arthur had someone like his older self as a kid he might've turned out better. Arthur mocked the cult as something silly (because it was) but he doesn't realize at the time he's basically been in a cult his whole life. The Robin Hood thing him Dutch and Hosea had didn't last long as the gang grew and it's needs grew as well.
When it was just Dutch, Hosea, Arthur and Susan it was probably more like a family. But at some point Dutch got a savior messiah complex, and a cult of personality developed.
it so sad how the gang fell apart after all the good stories they shared
It's very clear now why Bill and Javier didn't want to lose faith in Dutch,but when they finally had to face the facts they lost themselfs and Bill felt really hard,this is why he went totally crazy in RDR 1,he wanted to live by his own rules since he lived most of his life by Dutch's rules and Javier felt lost to the point that he thought that he had no reason to stay in US since the man of his motivations was no longer around.
And it’s all because of fucking Micah
Gamer67 splane yo notten
Welp then the first game wouldn't make no sense
Exactly, when I was done chapter six when Arthur was riding to the camp when miss grimshaw got shot I was literally about to cry because all the dead gang members were speaking which brought back so much good memories about the gang
Like how when Sean telling his story that Hosea has a look on his face like "you better tell the story right".
that little smile when sean said how they laughed at him-
@@zephyr_x45 that little smile really makes it so much better
lol
I did like that Hosea was giggling at the end like “yep that’s what happened you silly fool” man the Amount of detail that goes into this games story is quite something
So basically everyone tried to rob them...
Agent 245 That does seem to be the best way to evaluate one's worth to the gang.
And that's why Dutch laughed at them all.
Thank keep it this way
No, they _thought_ they were gonna get robbed. Poor fellers just needed a job.
Life of a outlaw man it aint easy
Bills like a sad and lost puppy it actually made me sad for what happened to him in rdr1
askay keeners Bill has the most tragic villain backstory in the RDR2
@@lobaandrade7172 No Fuck off Dutch does
In the first game, the things he does in his gang are beyond evil, RDR2 doesn’t show his true nature at all. It makes it hard to feel sorry for him. Even people get John wrong in RDR2, in the first game, he burns down a Mexican village with people still inside the houses, assists the capture of innocent women etc.
@@tracyrae4854 calm down he just based his opinion
@@tracyrae4854damn calm down hot head
i like how hosea is sitting there with sean and bill and having a laugh with them and having a whoa face when bill said he wanted to kill dutch lol..detail is great
theres 2 of u here
@@K_ingh16 I can confirm this is the REAL Dutch
@@quint4573 oh, hey charles, and i thought you hated dutch
@@quint4573 hey cowpoke
@@K_ingh16 i do, he's just sneaky
Javier saying "You're all my home now" was really sweet. All these conversations at the fire and character interactions in the first 3 camps set such a great atmosphere.
Ikr
Wolf Hound, Even at the end of chapter 6 when Arthur confronted Micah at camp Javier points his gun in the air and doesn’t aim at Arthur or John not wanting to betray his brothers.
He technically died at home then if you kill him in rdr
Loyality was everything to him, and he was forced to decide who to be loyal to.
I about cried 😭😂
Bill: *spills his guts out about how much he respects Dutch*
also Bill in 1911: *NO MORE DUTCH, AND NO MORE YOU! I'M IN CHARGE NOW!*
I'm pretty sure Bill had lost his mind at that point
I mean it was like what..10 years while they were on the run and Bill wanted to become the independent type by forming his own gang so it'd make sense why he'd say that
His sanity went down the toilet
thats what happens when an inbred drunk finally gains power over his murdering, raping gang
Tom Phelps you an inbred drunkard as well? shit sorry for upsetting you
Dang, I always liked Javier. You can see how hesitant he was in the end times of the gang. He always seemed to be on the fence.
Exactly. Like the little detail they add where he doesn’t aim his gun at Arthur. He aims it in the air instead
Really unfortunate he was a bad guy in RDR1
@@seanbean6801 and that's with mostly (if not all) the same voice actors as well. I think RDR2 had better direction and purpose behind it. RDR1 feels like Rockstar just intended to make a fun open-world western shooting game and story was secondary priority, although it was a good story of its own. But with 2, I feel like I could tell that the story and the world-building was the primary focus. I hope they end up remaking RDR1 and give it the same narrative polish.
@@jamesyoo4779 surprisingly the only returning voices were the people behind Dutch, John, and Bill. Everyone else was recast for a multitude of reasons.
He should be. Arthur saved him in Guarma
Javier did end up going back to Mexico.. crazy he was always a nice guy, was was a lil crazy in RD1
I mean he's nice until you fuck with him or dutch since if you notice one of the conversations with Bill he pulls a knife on them and when you save John in chapter 6 he just treats Arthur like shite
Javier wasnt even pointing a gun at them at the end. I don’t think he’s like the others. But what he turns into when he goes to Mexico is a different story
John mentions in RDR1 that though they used to be close, he felt when Dutch went crazy in the end it affected Javier as he really believed in Dutch and it was all he had. Wasnt the same after.
Javier literally became a merc for the guy he ran from. He killed Allende's uncle or something.
although javier was kinda crazy, he still had some loyalty to john, he had multiple opportunities to kill john in rdr1 but he didn't
These stories make me wanna see Dutch in his prime. Before the stress and fear made him callous. I wanna see the man who helped the boy who tried to shoot him, who saved people rather than kill them.
Would also like to see how he found Arthur
More like took people in at their lowest so they could feel dependent on him to boost his ego and god complex
I crave to know the story of Dutch and Hosea meeting Arthur and also John later. They probably tried to rob them just like most of them. Still I wish Arthur would talk about it, John too.
I wanna see how Dutch became the Dutch he is famous for whithin the gang. How he became strong minded guy and also what Micah did to bring that down.
This is the reason I think rd3 would most definitely be a prequel to rd2, so many call backs to the gangs prime and the fairy job, how Bessie died etc, so many call backs.
"Alright I'll catch you later then."
a line that you can hear
U R A G I R I no shit Sherlock
@@musio3438 stfu
naked sname ufts
"Alright, I guess I uh... Leave you to it then."
Bills storytelling always gets me in the feels, his voice breaks and he sounds like he’s about to cry if he’s not already 😞 :”/
the actor did an amazing job in this scene, with conveying someone who isn't great with words but fully believes in what they're saying and is trying to say it right..
bill is gay and had sexual feelings for dutch thats why he is so sensitive
@@justjust3100 OwO
@@justjust3100 Huh?
@@wolfhein6973 yes
When I first met Dutch he was telling me about how he had a Plan
Good times
First time I met Dutch he blasted open an innocent woman’s face. Fantastic times.
smooth criminal hol’ up...
The cheese is a lie rdr1 was an awesome trip
smooth criminal he blasted open an innocent woman’s face ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The way that Sean, Bill and Javier talk about how Dutch helped them when they were at their lowest is akin to how an actual cult operates. It's no coincidence that someone like Bill lionises Dutch, as he's not exactly the brightest person in the gang and therefore, is easily believed that he won't survive outside of the gang/cult. It's only his separation from Dutch in RDR1 that he shows some independence and forms a gang of his own.
Dutch ran a cult helping people at their lowest making them think he was this wise old teacher/Robin Hood character when he was just a outlaw no different from Colm that see’s a opportunity and takes it to help him achieve his goals he knows if he helps them he’ll own them because they’ll most likely feel like they have some sort of debt to be paid
@@JesusChrist-bq6lu I don't even think Dutch was doing it in an intentionally manipulative way, there's just something in him that loved being head of the van der Linde gang more than the people in the gang itself. I think he truly believes himself to be a good, helpful leader who improves the lives of those in his gang, and it's this conflict with his own ego that we see breaking him apart over the course of the game. He's very desperate to believe that he's doing the right thing, but it's increasingly clear how he's motivated by pride, greed, and self-preservation. He acts to do right by Dutch van der Linde, not the van der Linde gang, but because those two things are one and the same to him the lost souls in the gang, he gets away with it.
@@JesusChrist-bq6lu at the beginning he was Robin hood if you read about Arthur Hosea and Dutch's first robbery the gave slot of the money to poor people
But he was a really good man at the start. He was Robin Hood and a gang. As time went on he became a typical outlaw, taking in people like Strauss, Micah and Sadie in chapter 3
@@henryeberman6342 Sadie didn’t do anything wrong. It was Micah and Strauss
Everyone sure loves to open up about themselves when the moon is out
The night plus a couple drinks seem to be open up even the most uptight of men it seems.
chrisadeth I like how when Sean is telling his story of when he met Dutch and Hosea, Hosea actually smiles like “haha ah yes I remember that day”
@@Chrisadeth this game captures that feeling so well, I love it to death. I have a lot of memories with campfires and open bottles and talking about old times, good and bad.
You never been camping?
Its because they're whywolves. They answer why questions when the moon is out.
I really hope there is a RDR3 that is another prequel to RDR2
I have 3 predictions on who the story will focus on, Amos Bell (Micah Bell's Brother), The unnamed traitor that was mention in chapter 3, or maybe Mac and Davey Callander.
@@quickfury6901 I can see that happening in RDR3
Or a remastered version of RDR1
Or a spin-off to the series that would see Jack in WWI
So it wouldn't really be an RDR game...
Maybe about jack?
The last van der linde member
I always liked Javier, even after the ending because he never really tried to kill Arther or John until RD1 ofc. But I though he was a loyal and cool dude. He did subtle things that I liked him for.
thereal Ramos even when all guns were drawn on Authur, Grimshaw, and John, Javier’s gun was to the air because he was so conflicted.
Beerus The God Of Destruction yes, exactly
He didn’t even really try to hurt John in the first game either. He just kinda threw a box at him and ran away. I don’t remember but does he even try to shoot you at all when you chase him? Even so, he still wasn’t trying to kill John right away. Hell, even at the start of the game Bill doesn’t even shoot you, some rando does.
Grey Honestly,I think Bill would kill John if he had the chance in the first game. Besides the obvious start of the game
When they were stranded on guarma Javier was the one who helped arthur up, alongside Dutch, He got him water and then told them to leave him once he was shot.
Damn, half the gang tried to screw Dutch over. What legends.....
In the end one did though
In the end he screwed himself over lol.
L
I rarely catch the gang tell about their stories in my gameplay so this compilation was great and eye-opening.
It's interesting to see the contrast between Sean, Bill and Javier's encounters with Dutch compared to Micah's. While these three men talk about that first meeting with a heartfelt, warm fondness, emphasising on how Dutch saved them and looked after them, Micah's tone is the opposite. The latter sounded proud and arrogant and almost condescending, boasting about how it was HE who saved Dutch.
Bill emphasising again and again how Dutch saved him from a bad place was very moving. His actor did a great job putting so much emotion and action in his words.
fair weather Outside looking in Micah could see Dutch found them all at their lowest so he just spoke what he saw, arrogant is just his natural state lol
fair weather it is, bill, Javier, Sean all met Dutch at their lowest point, he took them in and looked after them. Where as Micahs is completely different
If you read Arthur's journal, you'll see how he says the same thing about Micah. Short temper, arrogant, and full of himself.
3:55
“You tell em bill”
“Somebody’s gotta”
“For sure”
😭 cracked me up
Wierdchamp
6:25 I think that's the only time Micah's ever laughed at himself. I almost liked him for a second there.
Only for a second but yeah
If only Micah acted like that more
I liked him when he killed all those Grays in like 5 seconds after they killed Sean
@@imma10200 yeah same
I think he did that in a sarcastic/threatening kinda way
I wish the gang was still together 😢 I hate Micah
@@clinicalpsychologist can't complain about spoilers if you're watching this kind of video
Devin Pendergast yeah he ruined everything. Dutch should have never let him in the gang
The Deer Hunter sorry not sorry
The Deer Hunter the game is 2 years old
@@clinicalpsychologist You must be joking right :v
*desire to hug Bill and tell him that’s everything is gonna be alright intensifies*
Bill, Javier, and Shaun all talk about Dutch as if he was a father figure, or a teacher.
Micah seems to take Dutch for granted.
Sean*
lmao they call dutch their daddy
Sean*
Subtitles-BoYkA
Yeah, cause even before micah ratted dutch out he was just using him
When I first met Dutch, he shot some poor lady in the head.
Bill: *pours his heart out*
Hosea: 🗿👂🏻
Wow, this game makes Red Dead so heartbreaking
I love *DEATH* 🤘👹
@@communismsucks5062 k
@@communismsucks5062 sorry solid
The voice acting in this game is one of the best I ever heard. It's so consistent.
Bill actually improvised his story in one take, and it’s his favorite scene.
sean telling his story, hosea sitting by the fire right next to him.
pay attention to hosea's reactions. he is genuinely listening to it and reacting to it - nodding his head with perfect timing.
to think such detail was put in animating this very missable dialog, as in something most players will never hear.
damn, this is a very good game.
I believe Micah's story 100% He loves to call people out on their weaknesses, and Dutch was very much on a decline since as the context of the beginning of the game established. I very much believe that Dutch tried to charm some potential buyers and got in trouble. Micah and Dutch probably had a shootout and then got some drinks together. I believe when they got to talking, Dutch also didn't have to persuade or fool Micah and go all pimp on him. I think he was also 100% honest with his situation, and felt he needed someone to do the dirty work better than anyone else would have. Micah had Dutch begin to think maybe it was the only way they can survive...and it changed him into his true self for everyone to see.
Yeah and when it comes to shootouts. Arthur is definitely the best shooter in the gang.
Actually that sounds like what really happened with Dutch but my question is what made him change his mind and shoot Micah
@@tonydaza8504 Well…If you read Molly’s poem in Dutch’s tent she writes “I gave you my all” Arthur and John (and presumably other people) have told Dutch that they gave him all they had…In a nutshell, It’s the best way to appeal to Dutch’s humanity, by showing him how his selfishness stole their entire lives. Dutch actually had a conscience and is capable of moments of clarity…which is why he shot Micah
@@tonydaza8504 he's realized why the gang is fallen apart yet too stubborn to admit it's his fault
You’re wrong and stupid.
Sean is a really great character.
Everyone: ...Dutch? He... he saved my life.
Javier: We didnt know each other, but found each other stealin' chickens and he kept me!
Micha: I saved his life. Thank me later.
Lol that's what seems to be happened 😂
i feel like micah was lying about that
@@sci_pain3409 Of course he was, that's what I was implying, he has to be an arrogant asshole
@@marwan4358 its actualy true its why dutch kept him even if he tallked loke trash to other members
@@marwan4358 no Micah did actually save dutch at this point in time Micah wasn't fully evil and I wouldn't say his evil roots came oit until around blackwater
0:53 look at Hosea's face. The facial animations in this game are absolutely beautiful!
Now I see why Bill and Javier blindly followed Dutch. They ended up not havin a mind of their own.
They had their own minds but they were just loyal to a fault.
@@Ravenous88888 The way I see it, they didn't. Thats just my opinion and the way I look at itm
@Edwin C. racist fuck
@@drpufosoide5422 what did edwin say
You can say the same about Sean XDDDDDDD
"first time i met DOTCH"
2:58
Awww...Bill...now I get it,
Jesus, now I feel bad for putting a bullet in him.
Well sorta RDR Bill was a long gone compared to Bill in RDR2,
That Bill was a monster.
Domince Gasperince II did u play the game. He shoots u the first time u see him.
Domince Gasperince II ur a very edgy 14 year old go back to Reddit
Hosea laughing quietly to himself as Sean tells the story of how he tried to rob Dutch and him was great :D
Puts it into context why Bill kinda went crazy and why Javier stuck with Dutch
2:50 "because he saved me...HE SAVED BILL WILLIAMSON!!!!"
*church chorus starts to sing*
Dutch is on the mainline, tellem what you want...
Dutch is on the mainline, tellem what you want...
Bill admitted his low intellect. But he also admitted his weakness to the camp that he was a man at his deepest low. Someone who had no one to go back to, risk seeing, or let alone anyone. Someone that was waiting to die either from the booze or a bullet to the chest. Like how Lenny looks up to Hosea as a father figure, Bill and Javier did for Dutch too; the fact someone out there offer a hand to pick them up from a deep hole.
I'm glad we were able to listen to this.
Why do i never get this convos when im at camp.. they only tell me to sit down and then leave me hanging and walk away😂
lmao
It seems like usually the conversations are triggered when you walk to the campfire. If you hang around the camp fire all evening and night they don't always start.
So try walking around the camp and do something like shave or change clothes etc. and then walk back to the camp fire.
Janzq13 noticed that indeed, also after a mission or when you just started to play they will have conversations like that, took a while for me to find out tho🤣
Yeah I'll sit down then like 30 seconds later they'll all get up and walk away like tf lmao tell me to sit down then leave
Dutch : So anyway I started Laughing
2:45 perfect example of blind loyalty. can't blame bill
lol yep
Bill sounds like he's delivering a eulogy at Dutch's funeral
I’ve always felt bad for and always kinda liked Bill. In the 1st game I felt a little bad about killing him because he was your brother and then this came out and he was one of my favorite gang members and I saw this and it genuinely made me sad.
I hated him from the first game. When I got into rdr2, I was ready to antagonize the hell out of him. Then I got attached like hell, and he’s one of my favorites.
Tbh i had no attachment to Bill or Javier in RDR1. We only ever see Bill 3 times and Javier once. And from what we knew then Bill just seemed like a crazed outlaw hardly worthy of any sympathy. Javier tried to weasel his way out of being caught and came across no better than the typical Mexican banditos you encounter there.
But man after RDR2 gave me a whole new perspective on em both as well as Dutch
I hated him snd how he treats others hes a typical bully until you him who he really is...a coward this us shown when hosea and javier confront him and he just shits and he also doesn't give any lip to arthur and only bullies lenny and keiran
@@Schros_kitty Same here. He was genuinely loyal, if not the brightest or easiest to get along with.
honestly dutch just sounds like a cult leader manipulating all these young lost folk into believing in him
Mostly after Hosea died
That’s legit what Agent Milton said to the group when he and Ross came for a Dutch lmao.
Hosea would’ve stopped Dutch
I was watching this with my dog next to me and when Micah laughed, he started growling. Attaboy
Imagine how cool rdr3 would be if you played as hosea or Dutch and recruited the gang!
*"And I thought to myself, I'm going to rob these fools."*
Dutch & Hosea: **laughs** Oh, you silly child, come here. Let us get you some food, clothe you, and shelter you.
Everyone was just glad they had met someone like Dutch and Hosea. It's almost too precious and sad. And everything makes sense now with Bill and Javier siding with Dutch.
In my playthrough I spent most of my time in the camp just hearing the stories and watching the events and hunting deers and other animals for the camp during the playthrough I had this weird feeling I felt like I was attached to the characters emotionally every time a gang member dies I cry I don’t know I felt like every gang member is an old friend rockstar really played with our emotions in this game 😢
dude everyone wants to talk about Arthur and Dutch but Bill's voice actor is really damn good too. Listen to the emotion in his voice. In every line Bills voice actor gives 110% By the end of the game I found myself actually feeling sorry for him more so than the gang being dissolved lowkey.
Dutch was essentially like a cult leader, reminds me of Charles Manson of how so many did his bidding and revered him. Its a shame as obviously these type of people are capable leaders who can inspire others with some purpose, but the cruelty of the World leads them to have ill intentions.
This actually makes me respect Bill more. I didn’t actually like him much but he’s very loyal to Dutch and for much better reason than I thought before. He seems like much better of a man than what I saw when I played.
I like Bills reaction to Micah.
Bill sees Micah as the lowest person (lower than himself which is saying something since he calls himself scum and a waste)
Bill was saved by Dutch (he sees as a god, an angel)
Micah (complete trash) saved Dutch (god/angel)
Gets completely worked up by it
Sean 00:00
Bill 01:25
Javier 04:05
Micah 06:17
Bill reprise 07:37
Bill’s emotion kinda gave me goosebumps. He’s such a lovable character.
0:01
Sean : The first time i met dutch
Subtitles : The first time i met *touch*
Javiers story is kinda sad and the emotion in his voice always gets me
It’s quite sad, the end of the game really made me question why Bill didn’t help Arthur but his story really explains why. Dutch saved him so he wanted to save Dutch. 😢. Same with Javier in a way.
9:17 “oh Arthur, hello :)” the way Bill changed his tone after that heart-to-heart as if he weren’t there the entire time crouched up in his face
İt was Reverend
I put so many hours and missed so many of these... It makes even more sense of why Javier and Bill were so loyal to Dutch, he saved them and they all saw him as his father figure... If only Hosea would’ve lived... His death just began the destruction of the gang as now Micah could manipulate Dutch without Hosea interfering.
It all makes sense why Bill and Javier stuck with Dutch. I feel for Bill. At some points in our lives we are at times like Bill, Javier, Arthur or John. Sad, angry, lost and forgotten.
TL;DW: The gang members tried to rob Dutch and he laughed and saved/fed them.
Bill had like the most heartfelt back story of how he met Dutch. Makes you really see how much Dutch gave to all these people, and really heartbreaking at the end when he starts going bad.
these interactions are what make me think dutch wasn't a manipulator, these stories likely happened quite a long time before the set of the game, arthur even says that he was with the gang for 20+ years. you would think that if dutch was a manipulator he would have betrayed them sooner.
Funnily enough the last person I expected to be the most sympathetic for is bill he was a man so lost in life and scarred by the war spending most of his days drinking to dull the pain then he meets Dutch a man that can give him hope and a new purpose saving him from drinking himself to death and ending up like his father (bills father was an alcoholic) so I can understand why he stood with Dutch he felt he had a debt owed to him but it could never be paid
This made me realize Bill was a deeper character than I thought.
Is so devastating watchin RDR after completing Rdr2.
I really love these like heart to heart scenes with members, It really adds that bit of character that really makes them feel alive, and you do gotta feel for them, like Bill and Javier, if you didn't hear these you'd probably just think of Bill as the camp drunk and Javier just a blank canvas, and it really makes sence why they sided with Dutch in the end because they really do owe Dutch there lives
You know playing the first game it made Javier and Bill just seem cold-hearted... You can't help but have a soft spot for both of them because of this game, they actually sound human.
There were two things impossible in 1899,those machines that can make a man fly like angels,and be able to like Micah.
I hope in Rdr3 we continue going back in the timeline. I really like these characters, and want to see more of them, especially in their prime.
Thank god it was Dutch and Hosea at the bar and not Colm
Arthur Morgan what do you mean
Amberlynns Gigantic Fupa well yea you’re right because Dutch always sees things in people
Amberlynns Gigantic Fupa maybe not cause he’s irish
Dutch was a good guy until Hosea died, that was when he allowed micah to get into his head, I feel if Hosea didnt die, he could've guided Dutch back.
Andrew Knepp the train car accident in San Denis also changed him, I bet. he was saying his head hurt after the crash
@@jug1243, Is that about the theory that Dutch gained a sudden personality disorder after he hit his head?
The Whole Horse ya
No he couldnt stop dutch from killing bronte or robbing cornowall train so ur wrong
Dutch is a liar and manipulative, the reason he "adopts" people is for manpower alone.. He always lies to himself that everything he does is right. He speaks the word of god to his men in chap 2, yet in chapter 3, there's a little dialogue where he tells Arthur that goes like - everything is not real and their life has no purpose (he preach things from fiction or things he doesn't believe in to capture the hearts of people). You can also find a note/script of Dutch's speech in camp, which means anything he says is not by heart.. Hell, his lie is even effective to the audience/players who think he's a good guy lol.. That's why later in the story, both Hosea and Arthur says that instead of Dutch changing, he's showing on what he truly really is.. This further proves that in the ending, it hits him harder when he saw a kind dying Arthur was genuinely loyal to him, even if he always questions him in the end, Arthur gave him all he had out of kindness and not being brainwashed like his other followers.. He realizes he is far beyond redemption so he left him there and Micah
Why did I tear up at Bill's story..
John has this line in RDR where he says “it seemed like the only thing Javier believed in was falling apart and he took it hard.” And that just kinda makes the beaver hollow encounters with him that much more sad and desperate.
its interesting to see Bill and Javier's camp interactions and stories, because it's moments like these that really explain why they did what they did in RDR1.
You can see Bill Williamson falling back to this highway robbery gang society, because he ultimately saw that the ideals of Dutch were flawed and that the idea of free roaming family of bandits just wasn't going to work. To survive means to be strong and to be a ruthless leader. Bill Williamson embodies the harshness of Dutch while becoming a gang leader more akin to Colm O'Driscol. He was no longer going to let people bully him, but in turn he let's his violent ego encompass his personality. His interactions in camp already show that he never really felt like he belonged, so he would instead challenge everybody else and force them to acknowledge his place at camp, thus leading to a gang leader who violently let the Pinkertons and local law enforcement acknowledge his existence and kill those who try to deface him or challenge his authority.
Javier on the other hand embodies Dutch's heroic and noble ideology. Javier earnestly believes in the romantic idea that Dutch preached and embodies those traits as a Revolutionary. Though he is still a criminal and a despicable man in the first game, you can see he ultimately wanted to be a heroic leader, but he just followed a bad example of one. Even in the camp at RDR2 he has this lone wolf kind of air to him, but all in all is one of the more noble and kinder members of camp despite his many crimes. Even he finds people like Bill and Micah deplorable but still admires Dutch to a fault.
One becomes a loud mouth tough guy who can't stand the idea of being ignored and ridiculed. The other becomes a revolutionary and self deluded hero with a very very bad rap sheet. All because these men followed and put their faith in a man that has befallen onto his own ego and madness.
2:34 man this shit got emotional
Dutch: minding his own business
Every gang member: so you have chosen… to get robbed
Can we briefly state again how awesome this game is.. All these emotional stories, which are already necessary for the story, are not imprinted on the player in any cut scenes.. No, we can experience them. Experience by listening to them. We learn a lot here what some game misses .. The ability to really see.
To exercise patience and to understand the beauty of the moment.
Facts Man Timeless Masterpiece😭😭😭
I love how RDR2 gives you exposition and backstory without force-feeding you and shoehorning it in. Everything feels natural
"Everything feels natural" is my favorite thing about the game. There's enough cinematic cut-scene tomfoolery in the story and the character writing seriously carries all that, but my most memorable moments are just meeting strangers and walking around camp and piecing things together myself. The world and characters are very deep for how wide everything is. There's so much detail that you can miss, since characters are constantly reacting to dialogue and actions and everything.
When people started talking around the campfire, I was glad to be able to leave if I wanted, but most times I really wanted to stick around and hear it, because well, they're well-written tales, well-told. Good job, R*, you didn't get too heavy-handed with things (mostly).
Everyone hates Bill, but I always felt really bad for him. He’s not a psychopath like Micah, he’s a confused and sad man, someone who desperately is looking for direction and purpose and above all family, it’s why he’s so loyal to Dutch above anyone else. His speech here is heartbreaking and such a good humanizing moment, I hate that most people miss out on it
We all want someone like Bill around.
Javier made me cry when he said, “You are my home now.” I felt that 😢
7:24 That laugh that Micah’s just did already shows that he is one of the best villains of Rdr in my opinion 😈
Damn, hearing Sean’s story makes me miss the Old kind Dutch
I love how they’re written out, as genuinely human people with genuine emotion under all their grit and walls.
I like this
It tells you so much about the story and the gang without spoilers
It helps me understand it more and enjoy my unfinished playthrough
Hosea looks greatly disturbed 2:00
That one person that disliked this video is the rat of the gang
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ĀTx •{ᏩHᎾŠᎢ}• oof thank you -3-
When Sean told his story and hosea was sitting on the ground laughing it had me dead
7:20 “Good day, gentlemen”
Bill: *spiling his guts*
Swanson: drunkly stumbles in the background 🤣
Micah deserves CJ's "You're an asshole to the end" line when pulaski talked dirty about his sister
0:44 just 3 shots from kitchen gun
Marry me
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So much history and background context, such a rich game.
"Well sometimes he's a downright fool but usually, he's the best man i know"
-Arthur Morgan