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Typically Protestants will assert Ephesians 2:8-9 which says:
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Since “works” have nothing to do with our justification they then argue that man is justified by “faith alone”. Obviously the biggest issue with this take is that when Paul says “works” he had a very specific kind of works in mind which would be “natural human works”. Paul wasn’t saying that “supernatural good works” cannot result in justification. In fact he’s admitting that those kind of works can and do result in justification in Romans 2:13 where he says:
“for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;”
And then there is of course Romans 2:6-7 which says:
“who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;”
When it comes to this particular passage what a Protestant will argue is that this was some kind of hypothetical[i.e; you could be justified by the law if you could keep it but obviously nobody can or does]. The problem with that particular argument is that John’s Revelation doubles down on what Paul is saying:
[Revelation 22:12]
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.”
Was Our Lord likewise speaking hypothetically? Certainly not. Especially when Paul clarifies that the “reward” is the inheritance of eternal life in his letter to the Colossians:
“since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.”(Colossians 3:24)
The “reward” being talked about in Rev.22:12 is the “inheritance” from Col.3:24 which is alternatively referred to as “eternal life” in Romans 2:6-7.
SO WHY ALL THE CONFUSION?
Primarily the confusion is because Protestants don’t have a developed theology about merit. They do not understand that God’s rewards can be gifts and God’s gifts can be rewards. So if God rewards my good works with the “gift” of eternal life then I “cannot boast” and say that God gave me what he owed me because He didn’t. It wasn’t a strict obligation. It was just Him being nice. Or as Paul says:
““Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?”(Romans 11:35)
Another passage that Protestants will appeal to is Romans 3:20 which says:
“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.”
However St.Augustine had a very well-reasoned commentary on this particular passage. He writes:
“When St. Paul says, therefore, that man is justified by faith and not by the observance of the law [Rom. 3:28]. he does not mean that good works are not necessary or that it is enough to receive and to profess the faith and no more. What he means rather and what he wants us to understand is that man can be justified by faith, even though he has not previously performed any works of the law. For the works of the law are meritorious not before but ⭐️AFTER⭐️ justification. But there is no need to discuss this matter any further, especially since I have treated of it at length in another book entitled On the Letter and the Spirit.”-St.Augustine, Faith and Works
Luther himself hated this commentary of course, saying:
““It was Augustine's view that the law...if the Holy Spirit assists, the works of the law do justify…I reply by saying "No".” (Luther's Works 54, 49)
Obviously Luther was at a loss as to give a satisfactory rebuttal to St.Augustine’s analysis. He very quietly conceded that there was another form of justification that was not a matter of “faith alone” but through works also. He writes:
“There are two kinds of righteousness that is the righteousness of another, instilled from without. This is the righteousness of Christ by which he justifies through faith... The second kind of righteousness is our proper righteousness, not because we alone work it, but because we work with that first and alien righteousness. This is the manner of life spent profitably in good works..." -Martin Luther, Two Kinds of Righteousness, 1519.
This is something of a “come to Jesus” moment for Luther, since in calling this “other” justification “proper” and a result of cooperation with works, he has in fact adopted the Catholic position.
@@DUB-Track quote----.. I read NASB,... unquote
Okay
Acts 9:31--which Catholics inisist is saying "universal"
.Acts 9:31
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
31 So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samar′ia had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied.
WHERE are the words "universal" or "Catholic"??? READ THAT verse again. It mentiones THREE areas near Israel.
Where exactly is Judea?
Kingdom of Judea .
The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea.
ONE AREA!!!
Galilee,----northern Israel
Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range.
And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon.
AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!!
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Where exactly is Judea?
Kingdom of Judea .
The Kingdom of Judea, often called the Kingdom of Judah or Mamlekhet Yehuda in Hebrew, was one of those cultures in the region called the Levant, near present-day Israel, between the Mediterranean and the Dead Sea.
ONE AREA!!!
Galilee,----northern Israel
Introduction. Galilee is a region in northern Israel bounded to the south by the Jezreel Valley; to the north by the mountains of Lebanon; to the east by the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River, and the Golan Heights; and to the west by the coastal mountain range.
And: Samaria----In the Bible the district of Samaria is called Mount Ephraim. Geographically, it consists of the central region of the mountains of western Palestine, bordered in the east by the River Jordan, in the west by the Plain of Sharon, in the north by the Plain of Jezreel (Esdraelon), and in the south by the valley of Ayalon.
AGAIN, THREE areas!!! NOT the WHOLE WORLD!!!!
>>>>>Acts 20:7 Catholics insist that is a Sunday communion.
New American Standard Bible
7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his [a]message until midnight.
#1--They leave out the facts in verse 11, that they ATE a meal.
#2--Had that been the Sabbath, paul was about to break it by traveling by ship!!!
#3--NO mention of worship or communion!!!
Paul was talking about his travels.
-----1 Corinthians 16:2-- Another verse Catholics use to prove Sunday us a holy day.
On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. ... .
Why does NO ONE ask what the collections is for??? All asumptions is what catholics preach..
First Corinthians 16:1 contains specific instructions to the Corinthians about a collection for poor Christians in Jerusalem. Each person must set aside some money on the first day of each week, meaning Sunday. A FAMINE in Jerusalem!!!!!
-----Catholics claim an idol ,image is NOT against God's commandment.
Exodus 20:3-11
New American Standard Bible
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself [b]an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath, or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them nor serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, inflicting the [c]punishment of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing [d]favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
------Catholics claim the Sabbath is Sunday.
Ex 20:8-11 New American Standard Bible
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your [f]resident who [g]stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
--Catholics claim Mary was assumed into heaven..
That CONTRADICTS GOD!!!!
(btw--to assume--to believe in something with NO facts--NO proof)
John 3:13 New American Standard Bible
No one has gone up to heaven except the Son of Man, who came down from there. ... And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son ...
--..Catholics claim we go to heaven when we die.
----Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
New American Standard Bible
5 For the living know that they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor do they have a reward any longer, for their memory is forgotten. 6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
----Psalm 6:5
New American Standard Bible
5 For there is no mention of You in death;
In Sheol (grave) , who will praise You?
-----Ecclesiastes 12:7
New American Standard Bible
7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the [a]spirit will return to God who gave it.
----Psalm 146:4
New American Standard Bible
4 His spirit departs, he returns to [a]the earth;
On that very day his plans perish.
----Ecclesiastes 9:6
New American Standard Bible
6 Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
-----Genesis 3:19
New American Standard Bible
19 By the sweat of your face You shall eat bread, Until you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.”
------James 2:26
New American Standard Bible
26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
-----Job 14:10-12
New American Standard Bible
10 But a man dies and lies prostrate. A person passes away, and where is he? 11 As water [a]evaporates from the sea,
And a river becomes parched and dried up, 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist,He will not awake nor be woken from his sleep.
-----John 3:13
New American Standard Bible
13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
-----Hebrews 9:27
New American Standard Bible
27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment,
-----Revelation 20:4
New American Standard Bible
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads and on their hands; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
-----Job 14:12
New American Standard Bible
12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens no longer exist, e will not awake nor be woken from
his sleep.
-----Revelation 20:15
New American Standard Bible
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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@@DUB-Track I read NASB,
-----Catholics claim (some do) that Mary should be worshiped
Luke 4:8
New American Standard Bible
8 Jesus replied to him, “It is written: ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”
--------What does the Bible say about true worship of God?
For example, in Romans 1:9 NASB he said, “I serve (or worship) (God) with my spirit in the gospel of his son.” And in Philippians 3:3 NASB, Paul said that true Christians worship God in the Spirit of God . . . and “put no confidence in the flesh.” Also in Romans 12:1 NASB, Paul encouraged Christians, “
------Isaiah 42:8
New American Standard Bible
8 I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to idols.
----Catholics claim Mary remained a virgin.
Mark 6:3
New American Standard Bible
3 Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are His sisters not here with us?” And they took offense at Him.
(They are talking about Jesus!!!-Unless they had NO idea of who Jesus was.)
Mark 15:40
New American Standard Bible
40 Now there were also some women watching from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome.
----Jewish Laws--Mitzvot #Mitzvot #124 Not to withhold food, clothing, and relations from your wife.
(Exodus 21:10)
#125. To have children from her.
(Genesis 1:28)
Had mary NOT given Joseph children, she WOULD have been a sinner for NOT obeying the Jewish Law!!!
And:
1 Corinthians 7:5
Do not deny yourselves to each other, unless you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but then resume normal marital ...
----The bible NEVER mentions any long standing vow they made!!!
----1 John 1:8-10
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Who claims Mary is without sin???
1 John 1:8-10 ESV
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
because : Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23
New American Standard Bible
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
>>>>Catholics claim Mary is in heaven.
John 3:13
New American Standard Bible
13 No one has ascended into heaven, except He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
----Daniel 12:2
New American Standard Bible
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
----John 5:29
New American Standard Bible
29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
---JoIsaiah 26:19
New American Standard Bible
19 Your dead will live;
[a]Their corpses will rise.
You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy,
For your dew is as the dew of the [b]dawn,
And the earth will [c]give birth to the [d]departed spirits.hn 5:28-29
New American Standard Bible
28 Do not be amazed at this; for [a]a time is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come out: those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the bad deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
------Hebrews 9:27
New American Standard Bible
27 And just as it is destined for people to die once, and after this comes judgment,
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It would be fun to see them simply go head to head with How to Be Christian, not to mention Tent Horn or Jimmy Akin. Maybe a priest like Father Mike Schmitz. Random street ppl are rarely confident enough to challenge anyone.
Catholicism has some problems, so does Calvinism, both men are Christians though, saved by Gods Grace through faith is Christ.
To the Catholic's credit, I was there that day (not Catholic, Reformed Baptist) and we were all there to protest the murder of the unborn at the Arizona State Capitol. I have huge disagreements with the Catholic church, but they'll turn out en masse to save babies and I appreciate that a lot.
You heard from a knowledgeable Catholic about their faith
its always sad how protestants talk about the church christ founded, it hurts my soul you feel the need to discredit us with lies, cause we also belief that we are saved through christ, Catholicism is the truth, and so is purgatory. I pray you humble yourself to accept the Lords wisdom. Its such a sad faith, im ex protestant, how can you say you love Jesus while talking bad about his mother (not you, protestants in general) is beyond me.
As a life long Baptist, we truly believe the word of God. The Catholic faith has added to this gospel and why Luther protested. While upset about what is being said, listen to the reasoning through the lens of Scriptures.
@@markbartlett5049 Who is your authority when it comes to interpreting scripture?
@d.t.7739 Jesus left the HOLY SPIRIT for us to interpret, not pedophile priests and popes. The cathecisms and papal decrees are not Biblical. RESEARCH!!! They kept adding falsehood about Mary in the 1870s!!! Study a Bible for yourself. Scripture interprets Scriptures. One Mediator and One Sacrifice. Every day priests perform a Mass, they literally think Jesus is crucified over and over and over.
One of them is listening... One of them is telling the other what that other believes.. not letting the other finish his points and judging the other.. this is not a fair conversation at all.
Multiple great conversations did you watch the entire video ?
That's free for all Christianity for you. I do what I want to do, I believe what I want to believe. I'll do it my way, I am the authority!
One of them are hard hearted and stiff necked as God said, when He rejected Isreal. No one who follows Roman Catholicism can understand scripture and that's a fact friend. I love all of you, but the truth is not in religion and certainly far from Rome. The difference is God internationally blinded Israel and hasn't forsaken them. A Gentile will be held accountable
But what is supremely important is the truth the Word of God expresses is being revealed !
I agree. I would have likes to hear both sides...within interruption from the other.
I really appreciate what you do Jeff. How you sit and reason with people according to the scriptures.
Thank you Jeff Durbin and James White for my journey to Roman Catholicism!
Welcome to original Christianity.
You both were warned.
Galatians 1:8
“But should we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.”
PSALMS 118:8 👑
“It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man”
Jesus Christ is the only way,truth and the life. Catholic dogma has works involved to be saved. Read john s gospel @mikemcnamara3777
I’m becoming a catholic too
Pastors need debate Priests... clearly the Pastor has worked hard at perfecting this approach... most admirable. Would love to hear him chat with Bishop Barron... I am not pro the weaponizing of the Bible but if it must have to happen then set it up with equally matched candidates... without malice.
That’s why we must ‘contend for the faith!’
@briancuff549 not Interested.... I have enough Truth as a Catholic... if you Protestant and worried Bout me... thank you that's sweet... go focus on another group... You clearly have things worked out... not interested in going toe to toe.... I have one Church you have 20 000 to choose from all disagreeing with each other concentrate on that.... I'm ok here.... and when you done... move on to Scientologists Athiests etc etc... lastly ... the book we facilitated for you to attack us with... it's for free ... with Love
Every RC priest and RC always gives me answers saying the Church believes this and that for 100yrs. Never from plain scripture, if they did it was always to shoehorn and try to fit their beliefs and bias. Read all the NT and see for yourself. I too was RC til started to read the Bible
@@ddino2549there is a book called Where's that in the Bible? BY Patrick Madrid. It uses just scripture to easily point out what you're questioning.
Check out the many debates James White has with Rome.
Not all Protestants believe in calvinism. Just throwing that out there!
True these are never Catholic versus protestant debates it’s always a protestant versus protestant
Catholicism is a Cult.
@@pedroavella7615how so? Seems like Calvinism vs Catholic?
@@theSparkyWattsI'm a protestant but I don't believe in Calvinism. I believe it completely mischaracterizes God, as the woman points out in the video with the whole reprobate issue. I love Calvinist brothers and sisters but staunchly disagree with their soteriology.
@@VinceOlson96 I'm Catholic and I agree with you. Most of the Protestants I know don't follow Calvinistic teachings.
Ephesians chapter 2-8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
James 2:14-26 ❤✝️❤️
These kinds of videos are why I keep watching Jeff!
I respect and appreciate greatly the fact that Jeff Durbin has enabled people to openly comment in this channel, unlike James White. I would love to see a debate between Jeff vs Tim Spales (Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, or Joe Heschmeyer) on Justification. @Jeff... May God bless, guide, and protect you always! 🙏🏼
Problem is his approach basically using typical fundamentalist attacks and giving Catholic no time to respond. He is hitting at Deep Catholic beliefs and reality of sacraments that are Christ’s active ministry to us through He Himself.
So he is reinforcing ideas that further entrench fundamentalists.
This morning I finished reading the first public exorcism in the Church hundreds of years ago that included Calvinist and other protestant ministers.
In the end the Eucharist defeated the devils, not the Protestant bread and the demon said he is the one who founded these heretical belief systems within Protestantism.
One Calvinist repented and became Catholic, the rest left just like those who left Christ prior to the Last Supper.
Wonderfully done. And kudos to the Catholics for having a genuine conversation and asking good questions.
Great job Jeff. Kudos to Jeff for having a genuine conversation and answering their questions. Also for showing the contradictions in their thinking.
@matthewens509 I'm sorry, but I'll give him credit until Jeff actually speaks to Catholic Christians who KNOW scripture. Jeff would not be able to say much because he will not have the same level of understanding as a true Catholic Christian would. It would be like a college professor (Catholic Christian that KNOWS) teaching a student from middle school (Jeff).
@@richyaxl1151Catholics teach purgatory, worship of Mary & the saints as intercessors (Jesus is the ONLY intercessor) & that baptism is for original sin not to mention vain repetition through the priest who supposedly “absolves” you when he clearly can’t Catholicism is covered in legalities, rituals & traditions that take us away from Jesus. They celebrate the “Virgin Mary” more than Christ which is way off
Catholic seems lost
Calvinist believe in once saved always saved that's why they are lost. Research passage Natural Branches KJV. 🎙️drop
Would you like to have a debate with Trent Horn, Apologia Studio(Jeff Durbin)?
No, he wouldn't.
He only debates the toughest of catholic apologists, y'know, random people on the street on their way to get some groceries
James White does that and is an Elder at Apologia, so technically Apologia has debated Horn and won of course.
I have to politely disagree that he came anywhere close to winning.
@@DanielMotesSEOyeah no sorry man James white did not. James white refuses to debate Jimmy akin.
@@DanielMotesSEOJames white debating Tim Staples
Thank you for having and sharing these conversations. Jeff did a fantastic job explaining Romans 4 and our declared righteousness, and our standing before God, in Christ.
This protestant acts cocky..not as bad as James White but cocky nonetheless
❤ Thanks. Every time I listen to Jeff I learn something new.
I learn Jeff isn't very good at defending Sola fide or Sola scripture.
@@dman7668 Well no one can defend both because Sola Scriptura disproves Sola Fide 🤣
@@dman7668or defending the existence of a god. But hey, he keeps trying and I’ll give him credit for that.
Like what ??? that he is nothing but a circle talker ??? he interrupts the guy just to put him down over and over again … first the Bible was given by the Catholic Church read the early church fathers and your Protestant garbage will crumble… trying to bring the true church to Protestants is like throwing perls in front of pigs … they are just as narrow minded as the Pharisees that demanded the crucifixion of Jesus
I'm 49 and recently reborn,other religions need to stop reading between the lines,stop adding things to God's words and just use common sense.There is only one way to the kingdom and that's through Jesus Christ period!
It's that simple. John 3 16.
Amen! And Jesus built only one Church, not thousands of denominations, which is the pillar and foundation of truth.
@@petros-estin-petra- thats not even true. The church are the people that follow jesus. Not a catholic church.
@@dustygatrell-ru7tg
but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, *which is the church* of the living God, *the pillar and support of the truth*
1 Timothy 3:15 LSB
@@petros-estin-petra- that doesent mean it's talking about the catholic church lol.
Great conversations! I really like the patient and civil discussion about doctrinal differences. Great examples on both sides.
I can debunk both sides. Know greek translation on the biblical content. John,acts, revelation and other 100 💯 verses nail 💅 it to the cross. Confession James 5.
Pope fake francis endorsement of LGBT 123 and his false dogmas. Vatican is infiltration is there
I love @ 7:00 how he said “he had nothing to offer God” how true of us all but he still accepts us! That hit home.
Just a little over 2 years saved here. All the sins that I used to commit on a daily basis has stopped. All glory to God. So far it seems like when we truly fall in love with God we stop committing the sins and we become alert for every sins that comes in front of us and because of our faithfulness to God, we make better decisions.
Another thing. Works comes from our love for God and not so that we can look good for him. Following Jesus has helped me greatly. Life changer.
I love that you have been saved and have a love for Christ!
As you grow you will become aware of sins that you may not be aware of today.
It’s awesome that you’ve been relieved of gross sins that you mention. Sanctification is a life long process.
I know this because it was after many years of being saved that I truly understood some of my sins that were against a holy God. Sins I had not even thought of earlier in my walk with Jesus.
The longer we are in Christ the more we see our sins as glaring acts against a truly holy God.
The bible says anyone who says they have no sins is a liar
Ummm I’m sure you still sin otherwise there would be no need for a SAVIOR
Amen, when you get truly saved from satan's bondage, spirit resurrected and sonship restored, God's Spirit starts to guide and teach us to become Christ like, now able to live in God's nature, no desire to sin anymore.
(The true meaning of sin is living in satan's nature, the fallen condition we are all born into.)
Are you able to share with us from the Bible how a person gets saved without the Sacraments? I hear a lot of Protestants claim salvation while at the same time denying the Sacraments and I am just wondering where in the Bible do they get that teaching from?
This is such a great friendly discussion!
Truly blessed, great job sir 👏
All I kept thinking was wouldn’t it be great if Sam Shamoun turned up to join this conversation. Praise God
Sam Shamoun is not Jesus. He is a mortal like any man. The fact that he validates Catholicism doesn't mean Catholicism is true. Put your faith on Jesus, not Sam Shamoun.
@@_Be_Still well said
@@_Be_Stillapply that statement to Jeff Durban too
@@RA4JDurban forbid
@@RA4JJesus validates everything Jeff said. Catholicism isn't biblical.
What an amazing beautiful courteous conversation. Loved it
Interruptions aren't beautiful mate
@@iddodomingo6118 ok.
That’s allot of seeds pastor Durban, Iwish with all my heart you would be my pastor, teacher and motivator, blessing brother to you and yours! Peace 🕊️
God bless you brother Jeff awesome watching the Holy Spirit working in you with patience and love sharing the gospel planting seeds❤️☝🏽🙏🏽 all glory to Jesus Christ our Savior
Thank God for Jeff and the guys
Satan hates to see Jesus on the cross cause it reminds him of Christ victory.
Like Paul said, I preach Christ crucified
The quote is crucified, past tense. and although I am no expert on what satan likes or dislikes, I believe an empty tomb conveys the message far better. I don't see how a portrayal of Jesus suffering would be anything but pleasing to satan.
His victory was his resurrection.
@@scrufinator1past tense??? Then why did Paul say it past tense?
Because Paul was after Christ’s resurrection. Jesus was no longer on the cross for He lives. ❤
Gal 2:20-21 KJV
20 (((I am))) crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; (((yet not I))), (((but Christ liveth in me))): (((and the life which I now live in the flesh))) (((I live))) (((by the faith))) (((OF))) (((the Son of God))), who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 (((I do not frustrate the grace of God))): (((for if righteousness come by the law))), (((then Christ is dead in vain))).
CHRIST CRUCIFIED REPRESENTS US BEING DEAD TO SIN AND ALIVE UNTO GOD!
CHRIST RESURRECTED, REPRESENTS RIGHTEOUSNESS AS A GIFT RECEIVED BY FAITH.
Romans 6:7-11 KJV
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead DIETH (((NO MORE)); death hath (((NO MORE))) dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin (((ONCE))); but in that he liveth, (((he liveth unto God))). [NO BLOODLESS REPEATED SACRIFICE / MASS NEEDED]
11 Likewise (((reckon))) / [BELIEVE] ye also yourselves (((to be dead indeed unto sin))), (((but alive unto God))) (((through Jesus Christ our Lord))). DO YOU BELIEVE?
Romans 1:16-17
King James Version
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for (((IT))) (((IS))) (((the power of God))) (((unto salvation))) (((to every one that believeth))); to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For (((therein))) / [GOSPEL / GOOD NEWS] (((IS))) (((the righteousness of God))) [AS A GIFT] (((revealed))) from [OLD COVENANT] faith to [NEW COVENANT] faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. [FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS]
2Cor 5:21 KJV
21 For he [GOD THE FATHER] (((hath made him) / [JESUS] (((to be sin))) (((for us))), who knew no sin; (((that we might be made))) (((the righteousness of God in him))).
Romans 10:9-10 KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
SALVATION IS NOT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT'S DOGMATIC SACRAMENTS
BUT RATHER BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE , THROUGH GODS GRACE LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST! Eph 2:8-9
PEACE
I've been struggling with assurance lately after walking with him for years. I'm listening to this debate just because I'm always interested in apologetics and love the Apologia crew. Hearing these truths of the Gospel is refreshing. I look at myself to often and see my failures so clearly and easily lose heart. But hearing the Gospel always reminds me to look at Christ and his perfect obedience, death and resurrection and I have hope again. I need to hear and preach the Gospel to myself daily.
Find a Catholic Church to receive the Work of God in Holy Communion.Dont rely on yourself, rely on Jesus.
The Catholic Church misses the Gospel and adds works to salvation. Anything you add to salvation is like saying that Jesus's sacrifice wasn't good enough. Rest in the work He has done. It is finished.
@@DanielMotesSEO The Catholic Church is the One, True Church... "Unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have no Life within you."
@DanielMotesSEO Exactly. I can’t understand how you could be saved and believe Jesus died for your sins but also believe you can still go to hell. Jesus’ sacrifice was for my past, present, and future sins. Adding anything else is literally telling Jesus that his sacrifice wasn’t enough. John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
@@traviscoston5238 If you have mortal sin on your soul when you die, that's how... Truth & Life RSV-CE
19 Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
20 and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus,
21 whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old.
Acts 3:19-21 RSV-CE
Great explanation and sharing of the gospel. I learned a lot.
Praise God for your beautiful ministry. May God continue to use you with love and power to testify about God's love. God bless you brother. Greetings from Reading Pennsylvania
Smart lady I was waiting for the answer to her questions, I'm trying to wrap my head around this too
The problem is the doctrine of the modern Catholic Church is light years different than the reformed Protestant church. There is countless caveats and nuances to reformed doctrine, as there is with Catholic doctrine. The Protestant doctrine is clear and biblical, but she has a completely different view of most Protestant doctrines. It may seem, at times, like he hasn’t answered her question, but its only because either he needs to explain further, cause she’s not picking up on the nuance, or they’ve gone off on a different tangent. That would be like me saying to a Catholic, “do you teach that everything that the pope says is infallible.” And of course the Catholic would respond,”no, only what is ex cahedra.” Then I were to not understand the nuance of what Catholics mean by infallibility and then proceed to assume the Catholic hasn’t answered my question. Look, a lot of what Jeff says, which I agree with, is a cause for debate even amongst fellow Protestants, it’s a far broader debate when dealing with Catholicism, cause you have to deal with purgatory, the immaculate conception, sola scriptura, transubstantiation, veneration of saints…. The list goes on.
Tp which one? The why do we sin after we are saved?
I was raised catholic and by God’s grace, he used His words (the Bible) to open up my eyes to the inconsistency of the teaching of the Catholic Church in contrast to His righteousness and holiness.
God exposed my sin of idolatry as a young kid. I remember I was very sick one day and wanted to be healed so bad that I placed an idol of the Virgin Mary on my stomach. I prayed to her, cried to her but no answer.. I got mad because she didn’t heal me so I threw it out and turned to the Bible. When I grabbed the Bible, I cried out to God for help!! I asked him to please talk to me through the Bible and when I opened it, it was in the Old Testament and it said how God hates idolatry. I was in shock!!!! I didn’t know that and I cried so hard and asked him to forgive me because I didn’t know.
That encounter I had with God that day impacted my view of the Catholic teachings and I was pretty upset at priests misleading people by blessing statues and praying to them etc.. I rejected the idea of the pope since I realized that he was a sinner like me and can’t forgive sins but God.
Despite of knowing all that I didn’t feel comfortable going to a Christian church because I was used to the Catholic rituals... but the truth is that if you surrender your life to God, when you pursue Him with all your mind, heart and soul he will reward you! He will guide you to leave a church that doesn’t teach sound doctrine.
It’s a process and God was and still is in charge of my walk with Him!
He is good and faithful!! To God be the glory! ❤️
So if every Christian for the first 1500+ years of the Church (til Martin Luther came along) engaged in “idolatry” as you claim, that would imply that God let his chosen worship him incorrectly for over a thousand years. The Bible literally tells us how swiftly God responds to idolatry. Christians have prayed to statues and Mary since the beginning of the Church, if you ever care to examine that evidence. If we were worshipping incorrectly, he would have said something instead of condemning 1500+ years of Christians to hell for practicing idolatry. So either you’re misinformed as to this “idolatry” you accused Catholics of, or God is wrong. Which is more likely?
Prov 18:2 seems to be written for you.
@@BreRMatt240 your false dichotomy is what is mist likely. It is false that "every Christian for the first 1500+ years of the Church" worshiped idols.
@@Charles.Wright obviously not every one, as there have always been heretics who claim to be part of the faith. However, the writings of the Apostolic/Early Church Fathers along with artifacts we’ve discovered confirm that praying to the saints/Mary and praying to statues of them has been in existence since the early days. Welcome you to provide some evidence otherwise.
Also, the fact that God specifically told Moses to put two gold statues on the Ark (cherubim) after telling them to not worship idols means, yet again, Prots are using their own reasoning instead of the Bible/Church history. If he tells people to make golden angels, he’s obviously OK with statues.
In order for you to be right, God would’ve had to have contradicted himself. Good luck with that belief.
@@Charles.Wright
Num 21:8-9: God tells Moses to make a statue, and those who looked on it were healed (statues used as healing).
Exodus 25:18/20, 1 Chronicles 28:18-19, Ezekiel 41:17-18 also support the creation of and praying to statues.
If all you have is your personal feelings, you should probably be concerned
You might also try actually reading what Catholics believe instead of listening to man made beliefs/traditions. The Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566) taught that idolatry is committed “by worshipping idols and images as God, or believing that they possess any divinity or virtue entitling them to our worship, by praying to, or reposing confidence in them” (374).
You clearly don’t understand the difference between making/using religious statues to honor God vs thinking a piece of stone/wood/gold/silver is a god with divine properties (idolatry)
@@BreRMatt240 keep reading your Bible, in 2 Kings: Hezekiah had to tear down that statue because the Jews were worshiping it
The voice of a Bible study educator. I respect it.
Amen, Pastor Jeff Durbin! Preach it, my brother! 🙌
Hallelujah! Been waiting for another video like this. It’s been a while. God bless you Jeff 🙏🏾
That sweet, kind, humble Catholic girl who shaded his face from the hot sun!
She was sweet, I hope she will leave the Catholic Church and enjoy the freedom found in Christ
@@DanielMotesSEO We appreciate your prayers for God's will for our lives. Thank you.
@ritav89 you're welcome! I love to pray for the lost. I know people prayed for me when I was lost.
@@DanielMotesSEO May God bless you.
The LORD JESUS CHRIST will be back soon.
Please pray for me as well for the evangelism I do, I would appreciate that. I will pray for you as well. :)
@@DanielMotesSEO Respectfully, your comment is ignorant. Catholics have full freedom in Christ.
I'm proud roman catholik I'm watching from Philippines God blessed to all roman catholik.
As Catholics we don't agree with your interpretations of works because you interpret works apart from the law, and therefore disregard scripture that says works of the law.
If the communion/ Eucurist was just
Physical bread and wine, why would St Paul warn the church not to eat or drink it unworthily???
Paul not St Paul. In the Bible it’s Paul not St Paul
I believe he means do not come to God to remember the sacrifice of Christ without being in a good place spiritually. A bit like if you have something against your brother don't come to the temple until after you make right what is wrong.
Coming to the memorial table to honor what Christ did for us (“do this in *remembrance* of me”) while being in willful disobedience through unrepentant sin is dishonoring the work of Christ, that’s what Paul means by eating and drinking in an unworthy manner. If the sacrament itself cleansed us of sin there wouldn’t be a problem, would there.
“This is my body broken for you … this is my blood …” Is just like the classic commercial “this is your brain (shows an egg), this is your brain on drugs (cracks the egg in a hot frying pan)” It’s the same thing. The egg is not our literal brain. Christ was presenting the elements as representations of what He was about to do for all believers.
@@kevinmbangue9226 you really make me laugh…. Who gave you the bible kevin ? Tell me I wanna know where it came from please because I believe it’s fake.
That's certainly one interpretation@@mishalleno-zj2zm
The Catholics actually did a pretty good job here .. maybe the online Catholic apologetic sphere which has been coming on strong lately is rubbing off on regular Catholics
Close...but close only counts with horeshoes and hand grenades. 2 Peter 2 tell us that "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves."
There's a hint of truth to every cult and every false teaching. What it comes down to is "was Jesus enough?"
Recent convert here. And Trent Horn is just about a Saint. Every doubt I had about the True church he explained.
Professional pastor vs lay Catholic. Why oh why does the pastor have to misrepresent Catholicism? Is that Calvanism 101?
@@StringofPearls55 it is the only way to slander the Church. If one is honest and removes bias you end up Catholic.
@@davidfunk6698 True.
Great conversation. Both men very respectful, bold and engaging. Once you meet Jesus you live by his word, you know his love and goodness and all you want is pleasing him. You can’t turn back the way you were after meet him. Because life without him is not life at
All.❤❤❤
Read Matthew 16:18 on. Non Catholics are being disobedient. This discussion does not cover the Church instituted by Jesus the Founder of Catholic church.
A questioner takes as many times to prepare for this. A respondent answered the question ...but she answered them well. Go for it girls, defend the faith no matter what. He is just a pastor of a thousand trying to convert a billion to his small hut. Blessings and Peace to you girls. You are truly daughters of God.
God Bless Apologia, Pastor Durbin & Pastor White ✝️🙏🏻✝️
They both lost no protestant can't stand against the church that put the new testament together by the holy spirit guiding the bride of Christ.
Do you see that a man is justified by means of works, and not by faith alone?
James 2:24
Fools
Works proves your faith but does not justify you
@@JohnB-dt7pm But James literally uses the phrase "is justified..." in the verse quoted above.
Justified by man not by GOD. Works = justified by man. Faith without works = justified by GOD
works are a product of faith, that's why James said "faith without works is dead". but you will not be saved without faith, because you cannot work your way into heaven.
Man, when Jeff finally comes home to Rome, he's going to be powerful witness.
Amazing, Jesus will make His return to the holy city of Jerusalem, NOT Rome, and establish His heavenly Kingdom there...gee, I wonder why!
I never thought I’d disagree with him but in regard to having free will and choosing to come to Christ & making Him Lord & Savior in your life is absolutely something you must choose. I’m not a Calvinist & I think it’s asinine to believe somehow those who are saved by grace through faith are selected by God before the foundation of the world. What is the point, then? If we have the ability to freely love, we also have the ability to freely reject. We love Him because He first loved us. Our chosen response is to love Christ because He died for us.
The girl can articulate herself, shes studied and is aware. Commendable
I wish he actually listened when she spoke. He seems to just be rehearsing his responses the whole time and cutting her off. Very irritating.
@@truthnotlies That is Protestantism for you. He already "knows" she is wrong. He is an experienced debater and she is a random off the street so eventually he will be able to confuse her into a position where he can make her look wrong. She she did well to defend the truth.
You seriously can't be trying to make Jeff look like the bad guy.
He didn't belittle her once and she never felt offended.
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So don't take some imaginary moral highway to nowhere, they're simply debating and doing it very cordialy.
That being said, this is a matter of a position vs a counter position - this is a FIGHT, a BATTLE to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
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"If you faint in the day of adversity, Your strength is small."
-Proverbs 24:10 📖
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If you can't defeat Jeff's arguments then your strength is small and you need more strength.
Strength is of the Lord.
Be in line with His Word, and you'll have all the strength you need to overcome, not Jeff Durbin, but the evil one who is the father of lies and the author of confusion.
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Jesus Christ is Lord! 🙌
@@truthnotlieseh? He was very very patient and didn’t interrupt her once. Weird conclusion.
@@vladolenin1345 uh, I agree with Jeff on plenty of things but I'm not in a Jeff Durbin fan club or anything. Lol but ok then
And Jesus said read this in memory of me. Opps He said do this in remembrance of me. Is early church fathers. Long before the scriptures were even written.❤❤
I know people who says “Yeah I believe,works don’t matter.” And then lights up a huge joint. All good.
This was an interesting video, but it was a little unfair. We have an actual pastor, who has probably gone to Bible school. On the Catholic side, you have people who have a fair knowledge of their Church's teachings, but not on the level of the pastor. What would be great is to hear a debate between two experts - a Protestant Pastor and a Catholic Priest or Theologian. Both sides would have a very strong knowledge of their faith, and then we could really see which side stands up better.
So this is like a Carholic theologian going to a random protestant church and asking the people there, I guess.
This isn’t a debate. They believe that ordinary Catholics are in error by following the teachings of Rome, so they try to persuade ordinary Catholics out of that perceived error. If a Catholic theologian feels the same about Protestants, he or she is free to speak to them about it. Unfortunately though, the average Protestant evangelical church is full of people who don’t know the basics of the Gospel and Christian faith, according to Scripture and their denomination’s official teachings. They may very well be swayed by a Catholic theologian because they lack knowledge and understanding. The average catholic may be better informed about Catholicism, because of catechism (although many still remain ignorant).
If you want a debate come to our church there’s alot of educated priest and theologians you can talk to.
I attend a Catholic Church but never follow their ways. Such as, praying to saints 😂
@@MichaelKing2-7 that is why the Catholics don’t force their beliefs to people, you have to come with your own free will accepting the faith. Our Heavenly Father did not force his will on us, instead he gave us the gift of the will to choose.
No one force me to the Catholic I converted based on my own research and a lot of prayers, and through that I am more fully embraced the Catholic more. I love everything about the Catholic. I love reading the life of the Saints, I love confession, I love praying the Rosary, Divine Mercy, 14 Station of the Cross, Sacred Heart of Jesus, Immaculate Heart of Mary. I love the 7 Sacraments, the brown Scapular, Saint Benedict’s medals, blessing of the house, Holy water, baptism, kids communion, miraculous medals, wearing the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Give reverence to our Mother Mary, Saint Micheal the Archangel, go to Adoration and so many.., love them all
@@elainelksuabernet awesome. I personally do see a lot of man made laws or rules in my church. But, maybe that’s just my church
The pastor ignores who made the Bible... just has a long tongue
IDK where Catholics get the idea that if you're with Jesus in Paradise that you share his omnipresence to hear and see them.
“The thief on the cross understood it better than Rome tells you..” Bro 😮💨💯
Except that the scenario of the good thief is not at all incompatible with Catholic soteriology: catholicareopagus.blogspot.com/2022/06/the-catholic-doctrine-of-merit.html
Truth
@@ApologiaStudios Except that there is nothing about the scenario of the Good Thief that is incompatible with Catholic soteriology.
@@colincausey5980 This is an honest question. Mary was at the cross as well and was portrayed as weak in the sense that Jesus handed her care over to John. However, if the thief had asked HER to tell Jesus to let him in in the end would Christ have had to do it? I'm honestly asking that to try and understand Catholics in their view of salvation and the role that Mary plays in things. I'm honestly not trying to be combative but I know how things can "come across" online.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 Hello, friend! You are not coming across as combative at all, so no worries there. This is an interesting question. I don't view Mary being given to John as being a portrayal of weakness on Mary's part. Rather, I see John as a kind of stand-in for all disciples of our Lord, and Jesus is giving Mary to John (and, by extension, to all Christians) as a mother to be cherished. Of course, John himself was also no doubt expected to provide physical care to Mary as she aged, but I think there is a deeper spiritual significance to this event as well.
As far as whether Jesus would have *had* to comply with Mary's request, the answer is no. God cannot be commanded by a creature. With that being said, would Mary's intersession on behalf of the thief have had a lot of weight with Jesus? I would say, yes! As His mother, her request would have had great weight with Him. He certainly would have taken her request under advisement as it were. Mary's role in salvation is that it was through her as God's holy instrument that Christ our Savior came into the world, and she makes intercession for us by praying to her Son on our behalf. And as an especially righteous person, being given the singular grace of being chosen as the Mother of God, her prayers are especially effective. When we "pray" to Mary, we are asking Mary to pray for us in a similar way in which I might ask you to pray for me. With this being said, praying to Mary in this way is *not* necessary for salvation, although it is greatly encouraged.
Imagine being Catholic and told by a man that “you believe this” and “you believe that”. A man telling you what you believe, and even when you say that’s not what we believe, he still tells you “this is what you believe”.
yeah it's very prideful and fallacious
@@theTavis01 It certainly is. Not to mention he’s preying on Catholics that can’t articulate themselves very well. Straw man pride.
I was raised Catholic, so I AM qualified to say "you believe this and you believe that". I would have told the Catholic the same thing. Catholics have bigger problems than 'Purgatory'.
@@theTavis01 Oh, you mean like, "I belong to the one and only true church." I consider that "PRIDEFUL AND FALLACIOUS."
He gets it from his father John Calvin and his teacher James White. The pride in Calvinism is the worst. "God created people for hell, but not me. I'm a part of the elect." LOL
Everyone can agree that Jesus's Grace is what Actually saves us... that out of the way. How can you say your works don't matter but in the same breath say choosing the "wrong" religion condemns you?
The pastor is pressing way to hard and listening way too little.
He repeatedly says “because of what Rome added to the Gospel”. Roman Catholic teaching goes back to the very beginning, it ‘s what the good preacher did to the gospel in the 16tg century that changed the teaching that preceded it for 1.5 millennia.
If it were up to the Roman catholic church, we wouldn't have the Bible translated in English. They opposed and tried to kill Martin Luther King, the german prist who advocate that believers shouldn't have to learn Hebrew or Greek to read the Bible.
This is where Trent Horn would step in beautifully.
Totally agree! Or Jimmy Akin. Jeff has knowledge of scripture and early church history so it’s not a fair discussion between Jeff and the Catholic gentleman he was talking to. Most Catholics ( not all) don’t have a lot of knowledge of scripture plus what the Catholic Church actually teaches and early church history. I would love to see Jeff debate Trent Horn or Jimmy Akin.
Also, Jeff is a Calvinist which most other Protestants wouldn’t agree with his belief of once saved always saved and justification
@@jeanellecortez1422I reject Calvinism but believe OSAS. The bible is very clear that we have ETERNAL SECURITY.
Eternal Security of the Believer
2 Timothy 2:13
If we Believe Not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Ecclesiastes 3:14
14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
John 6:47-51
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 10:28-29
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
@trenthorn @jimmyakin
@@jeanellecortez1422 not true friend. Perseverance of the Saints is a widely accepted doctrine in Protestantism. I would add that you'd be hard pressed to find a protestant denomination that rejects it. As far as Calvinism, yeah it is definitely in the minority, but only really relative to the present era. Any cursory reading of early church history shows that some of the major theology and doctrine presented in Calvinism, Synod of Dort, Westminster confessions of faith etc. are all consistent with the teachings and theology of early fathers. Look at Jonathan Edwards (certainly not an early church father but still...) John Owen, John Gill, .......Augustine of Hippo, Luther, Calvin, Jerome, Aquinas,
Wowww! Thank u Apologia and Jeff.
I grew up catholic and it was such bad days, i have no peace with God, with me and others.
Then I go to atheism, have sinned a lot, and have an empty in my heart that I can't describe here.
And than, God spoke to me throw a man who talks about Jesus in such a way Jeff talks, that was so beautiful in my eyes. The Holy Spirit just convinced me that I needed Jesus and than I repent my sins and prayed to Him.
Now I have such a good and eternal assurance in the good news.
Jesus is King. Thank u Jeff for speaking the truth in such a calm and respect way.
praise God
Was atheist now Catholic and I’m at peace With God! All glory to God
You were NEVER Catholic. This is absurdity.
Praise God for your salvation.
I've never been more assured of going to heaven and being at peace now that I'm practicing my faith as a Catholic. Thank you Jesus for the Catholic Church. The gates of hell shall never prevail against it AND Jesus has kept his word for over 2000 years.
Jeff throwing down some hot 🔥 scriptures in this video. I especially appreciated the well placed Hebrews verses in the exchange with the young lady.
Pastor does such a good job explaining
Classic Apologia posting more anti-Catholic content after James White was destroyed in another debate, this time by Jimmy Akin. Imagine admitting sola Scriptura isn’t found in scripture and still trying to argue for it. Hope some people in the comments decide to watch it and actually learn Catholic beliefs.
But, will forever be grateful to Pastor Jeff for introducing me to Presupp apologetics.
Same thing I was thinking. I knew he would post something like this to divert attention but I am proud of the Catholics in this video as I believe they all held their own against him here.
@@joshuastelly9129 it’s sad bc it’s a clear tactic to divert people away from watching the debate. Same thing w the Trent horn debates, seems like they want their viewers to watch these ones instead and then they don’t need to watch the debate since “all the Catholic positions were debunked in these videos”
Using the Bible to argue against sola scriptura has got to be one of the dumbest actions ever performed in history.
@@frankfortjuggalo5936 I’d say that claiming everything needs to come from scripture except the standard that everything needs to come from scripture is dumber. Prots are always shifting their sola Scriptura defense. It used to be “here’s a few Bible verses that prove it came from the Bible.” If the argument has to keep shifting then it’s problematic.
Catholics believe in a works based system, that in itself automatically destroys it
Wow, that could truly be a life changing conversation. Bless you brother for doing this important work- so many don't realize what an important mission field is held in roman catholicism.
There is no Roman Catholicism. It's just Catholicism. That was just an insult started by Anglicans and we Catholics need to correct it like the N word.
@@dman7668 where, pray tell, do we find the Vatican?
@@StrollinSodaPops he is telling you where is started from and here you are talking about Vatican, you guys are simply unbelievable.
@StrollinSodaPops
The Catholic Church in the Vatican doesn't call itself the "Roman Catholic Church". It's just the Catholic Church.
@@StrollinSodaPopsWhere, pray tell, do we find the Eastern catholic churches?
Why target young Catholics on the streets who may or may not know their faith as much as the pastor ? Why not debate with somebody who is obviously equal with your theological intellect ?
No protestant could stand a chance against a well studied catholic, all the truth is with the church that put the Bible together and was there to see Jesus himself.
😂😂😂😂😂baaaahahahahaha, Satan has a strangle hold on you. Really, that's not funny, but you people are amazing😂
@@mr.righty6985 Based on your other comments, as well as this one, you just tell people “you’re wrong”, yet you don’t explain or defend that assertion. Where is the defense that you are called to always be ready to give?
Just telling people how right you are, while it jives with your YT name, doesn’t qualify as an obedient apology. So far, it appears you only prove snoopy3587 to be right: you don’t seem to stand a chance against Catholicism.
@@ReformedRoman 😂😂😂 You probably diddle little kids, just like your priest
@@mr.righty6985yall are arguing over the same unverified God claim.
Jesus did not create the Catholic Church. Who told you that??? Where did get your information? Jesus told Peter, on this rock you shall build my church. Not the Catholic Church.
I think my favorite part was about 20 minutes in, the main speaker says Let me check Scripture, and then the young boy speaks up with his own question, and then the females. Everything was handled fairly respectfully, this was great.
Yeah I'd had enjoyed it more if Jeff checked the Scriptures and proved his Sola scripture premise, which is the basis for all his Catholic rejecting viewe.
@@dman7668he knows the scripture
@@dman7668 2 timothy 3:16-17
The females?
Always appreciate the respect Jeff shows in these exchanges. Great example for how we all ought to engage on these matters. God bless.
Bull**** He has loved spreading lies to other faiths that disagree with his. He's a non yelling bigot.
The RC church teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is NOT enough. That is what we are protesting.
That is absolutely not what they teach.
Ephesians 2-8&9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Jesus help me. I’m trying to balance everything on my own, but Lord I feel like I’m failing miserably as a single mother. Both sons are special needs I’m so overwhelmed trying to support them on my own. I’m struggling to make ends meet, to pay bills, and to put food on the table for my children. Jesus guide me and give me strength. I have faith you will carry me through this difficult time.❤️
Sister in Christ! What I see as I’m reading through your comment is I, I ,I and there is where the challenges stem.
The only I that should come out of our mouth is I SURRENDER lord here are my challenges and name them and I trust that you are the almighty God whom will never leave me nor forsake me! Bring up his promises as you pray. It is valid to remind him because that shows him your faith and you will see God working.
Remember without faith it’s impossible to please God.
He is listening but he is waiting for you to surrender.
Invite the Holy Spirit to every prayer, worship and to reading of the word.
I pray this blesses you in Jesus name 🙏🏼
Lay your troubles at the feet of Jesus and leave them there, He'll take care of them. If you keep trying to hold on to them and do it yourself, Jesus will keep letting you and nothing will change. I'll be praying for you, sister.
Stop focusing on yourself and focus on Jesus.
I’ve seen your comment else where many times, at this point one is gotta think your looking for attention and sympathy other than prayers.
@@LCD04 You may be correct OR she could be reaching out for as much prayer and advice as possible. Either way, it's our job as believers to pray for her.
Do you ever debate Catholics who are informed theologians and not just randoms on the street? Genuinely wondering
that statement is an oxymoron
If he truly understood the Catholic Faith, he would be Catholic.
Nah, they get exposed like James White did against Jimmy Akin. 😂
There are no Catholics who are informed theologians lol
They cannot because their falsehood would be exposed. Similar story with Ray Comfort.
Repenting doesn't forgive you of your sin but it is a changing of your thinking that lead to sin. Thin change of thinking requires action.
To the guy who thinks he knows Catholics... he doesnt know.
But he says it with such confidence! 🤣
Ex catholic here his speaking facts I still have a mother who thinks Mary is higher than christ and saint peter never knew christ intimately until I turned 30 thought Christians were nut jobs until I met Jesus guys speaking facts my respect for Mary but even the Bible speaks that even Mary has to pass through Jesus
That lady has a very good grasp of her faith. I'm proud to see someone like her that is able to articulate and to debate with confidence. Well done.
Props to her for articulating her erroneous views so well! 🎉
@@BlueDevilBrew Stick with the Church Fathers some of whom were disciples of the Apostles and many who became martyrs for Christ, NOT Luther & Calvin who arrived on the scene 1500 years later.
@@BlueDevilBrew Such as?
she has no guarantee that she is saved. she won't know if she had a saving faith until the end and even then she'll hae to undergo purgatory.
@Tayman47 purgatory is the purging of all sin when you go to heaven, if you're in purgatory you're then in heaven. No unclean thing shall enter heaven.
When the Roman Catholics saw Jeff Durbin they sent out their best man. That Catholic guy understands theology.
Understanding theology is not following God's teachings, it is following a church doctrine created by man using what suits the creator of that doctrine. There are over 45,000 Christian denominations out there, each thinking they have the answers. Thing is there is only one word and man has done a great job with the help of Satan in twisting God's words to suit them. There is only one Word.
@@DanHutchings-xx7ugbut surely reformed Baptist theology that emerged from the “reformers” of the 15 and 16 hundreds are not religions of man, right? 💀
@@DanHutchings-xx7ug oh my. Theology explains faith.
Jeff is misleading so many God’s children to wide road and many do not recognize his false teachings
@@hcho7776 i could not listen to this man anymore.
We enter into the life of Christ Himself, through Word and Sacrament.
Have to pray for him.
Would have been great if the others have mics too so we could hear what they are saying.
I used to listen to this channel all the time several years ago, went from fundamentalism, to evangelicalism, to Protestantism, and eventually became Catholic. (Sorry orthodox lol) I appreciate the zeal of you Jeff and the work that your doing, but the sacramental life is very real and I pray that one day you’ll experience more of God through the church he established. Back in the day I would have watched this video and thought those Catholics were going to Hell because they believe a perverted gospel but now with fresh eyes I see what they say and I believe it and am not tripped up by the words you use. No offense to you Jeff, I love you as a brother in Christ, you’ve done a lot for my personal faith, I just wish you would try to see the Bible through a lens that’s not solely Calvinism.
Me [a catholic converting into orthodoxy] : ouch.
What a beautiful conversation Pastor Jeff. Very loving but firm in your conversation with the RC's on the truth of the Gospel. I thank God for pastors like you who can present the truth so succinctly in the field and rely on the Holy Spirit to work in you. I believe the love of Christ can be seen in these spontaneous encounters. If I lived in your area, I'd be attending Apologia Church. God bless you in your witness ...
Why do reformed “Christians” never specify who’s ideology they are following. Commonly i see Protestants tell Catholics what they believe instead of asking how they arrive to a conclusion.
It’s like they’re obsessed with justifying why they left the Catholic church, either now or centuries earlier😬
Because "Reformed Christians" are gifted with infallibility, deciding what is true & biblical, and what is not true & what is not biblical.🤣😅😂
If you read your Bible, you'll know why the Catholic church is false and why ppl run away. You don't need any of the extra garbage they put in. Just Jesus !!!
Yes it is impossible for a Catholic to make any assumption at all about the beliefs (or values!) of any given Protestant.
He’s citing scripture, and scripture alone. Not bringing in traditions and and sacraments. Only what’s in the Bible
As always...the student of James white got it all wrong. The concept of taking the righteousness of Christ, doesn't mean you hide under the cloak of Jesus Christ, it means live your life like Christ, so it's your self that is becoming righteous in the eyes of God.
The only way to be seen as righteous in the sight of God is through Jesus' righteousness that is set on children in Christ whom believe He is The Saviour; The one and only God whom bore the sin for us and paid the debt we owed in full by Him going to the cross.
Not one speck of self-righteousness is to be added upon the righteousness of Christ and the ones whom do such void the righteousness of Christ, thus have no righteousness and God sees them as filthy rags.
I came out of the Catholic Church. I had a priest ask me why I wouldn’t go back to the Catholic Church. I told him, I didn’t want to got back to Egypt. He had no reply to me. I have so much freedom in Christ. Of course, I try not to sin yet with all the rules in the Catholic Church I am no longer in bondage.
+JMJ
My friend, I understand that you have found a sense of freedom in your faith, and that's truly beautiful! However, as a Catholic, I would gently say that Jesus desires us to be united in His Body, the Church (1 Corinthians 12:12-13). He prayed for His disciples to be one, just as He and the Father are one (John 17:21).
While rules and teachings can sometimes feel burdensome, they are meant to guide us towards a deeper love and understanding of God's will. Jesus wants us to be free, but not independent; He wants us to be connected to Him and to each other through His Church.
Remember, the Church is not just an institution, but a living Body of believers, united in Christ. Jesus wants us to find freedom in His truth, not apart from it (John 8:32). Let's continue to seek Him together!
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And in addition while you left the only Church founded by Jesus Christ..
Here's a list of some notable pastors who became Catholic:
1. Scott Hahn - A former Presbyterian minister who converted to Catholicism in 1986.
2. Marcus Grodi - A former Presbyterian pastor who founded the Coming Home Network, an organization that supports Protestant clergy in their journey to the Catholic Church.
3. John Henry Newman - A 19th-century Anglican priest who became a Catholic in 1845 and was later canonized as a saint.
4. Aleksandr Men - A Russian Orthodox priest who converted to Catholicism in the 1970s.
5. Richard John Neuhaus - A Lutheran pastor who became a Catholic in 1990.
6. Francis Beckwith - A former president of the Evangelical Theological Society who returned to the Catholic Church in 2007.
7. Joshua Betancourt - A former Assemblies of God pastor who converted to Catholicism in 2019.
8. Ken Hensley - A former Baptist pastor who became a Catholic in 2020.
This list is not exhaustive, and there are many other pastors who have made the journey to Catholicism. Each person's story is unique, and their journeys are often marked by a deep sense of spiritual searching and discovery.
Pls come back.Jesus waits for you in the Sacraments of His love,the most holy Eucharist...🙏🌹🌹🌹
This video says it all. It’s not of works (piety and sacraments) but by grace through faith. I’m former Catholic now grateful I left that abomination.
@@barbarasmith1085
+JMJ
"This video may present a perspective, but it hardly 'says it all' when compared to the vast richness of Scripture, Tradition, and the Church's 2,000-year history, which cannot be reduced to a single video.
I understand that you have found a new path in your spiritual journey, and that's something to be respected. However, it's important to remember that others may have a different experience and understanding of their faith. The Catholic Church teaches that faith and works are intertwined, and that our faith is demonstrated through our actions and love for God and others (James 2:24, Matthew 25:31-46).
It's also important to avoid using language that is hurtful or dismissive towards others' beliefs, such as calling the Catholic Church an "abomination." Let's focus on respectful dialogue and understanding, even when we disagree.
Deo Gratias.Ave Maria.
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@@barbarasmith1085
"This video may present a perspective, but it hardly 'says it all' when compared to the vast richness of Scripture, Tradition, and the Church's 2,000-year history, which cannot be reduced to a single video .🙏🌹🌹🌹😊🥰
Jeff, these are awesome. Please don't stop making these videos. I miss the days when you were releasing new videos all the time, but i know it's a lot of time and effort to make it happen...
Amen!!! Im an online TH-cam Creator too and a Ukrainian missionary in America!! I know Jeffs church some of their guys do evangelism with me! I also make videos here.on my channel about evangelism conversations!
Jeff, I could listen to you all day. I get so much out of theses teachings with different faiths. I have a few of my favorite Mormon conversations too.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT A PERSON HAS TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER TO BE SAVED?
Jeff does not represent Catholicism accurately.
The Last Supper is considered the beginning of the Catholic Mass because Jesus instituted the Eucharist during the meal, which is a central act of Christian worship. While celebrating Passover with his apostles, Jesus gave bread and wine to his disciples, saying, "do this in remembrance of me" (2,. This event is significant for Catholics because it forms the basis of the Catholic Mass, a Roman Catholic service of worship that involves receiving Holy Communion. The word Eucharist comes from the Greek word eucharistia, which means "thanksgiving".
Ok, this Pastor is misinterpreting Ephesians. Let’s look at the verse.
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God- 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
1. The beginning of verse 9 says it’s not because of works. The issue that Protestants have, is that Paul isn’t talking about good works here. Paul mentions good works in verse 10. In verse 9, the works that Paul is speaking about are the Jewish works of the law.
So no, we can do nothing to please God without grace.
This is what happens when you read more than just the single line proof text 🤣
The root problem here, I think, is that the Protestant guy keeps insisting on telling the Catholics what they believe, instead of assuming good faith and letting them define their own positions.
I am a Protestant myself, and like this guy, I once treated Catholics as a mission field. It was really when i learned to shut up and hear them speak for themselves that I was able to see how dense I was being, and today I embrace them gladly as fellow believers who seek to be hidden in the cross of our Lord.
I continue to pray for the day when the church is united again.
Oh yeh Protestants are experts on Catholicism. They truly believe Catholics have no idea what Catholicism is.
I agree with you. I live in an area with a TON of mormons, and I have studied mormon doctrine, theology, and culture extensively. I NEVER say to someone, "You believe..." because how do I know what that individual person believes? I do, however, say, "Your religion teaches..." or "Your 'church' teaches..." (I don't like referring to the mormon religion as a "church" because it isn't a church; it is a cult.) I've never had a mormon deny a belief that is a central mormon teaching after I've brought it up. (I have had a mormon bring up a central mormon belief, namely baptism of the dead by proxy, and tell me "they", mormons, don't believe in that, which was obviously an outright lie.)
@@WatchList-xf8ic If Durbin used the "Your Church teaches" with a Catholic then he would have absolutely no objections to make content with. He has got to strawman people in order to have anything to say.
Well said (1st Paragraph).
Amen!
19:20 now who is adding to the Bible? Jesus never said that “eating his flesh and drinking his blood” means “believing in him and coming to him”. Where is that in the Bible? In fact when he was pressed about it he doubled down, allowed many to walk away and never said it was symbolic.
The first man was trying to say this and the pastor kept interrupting him.
EDIT: I am putting here this because there are too many comments and I have to keep answering the same arguments.
If it is only symbolic, why would Paul say "anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" 1 Corinthians 11:29
"Do this in memory of me.” In Greek, this statement reads, “Touto poieite eis tan eman anamnesin.”
Touto poieite can be translated as “do this” or as “offer this”. “poiein” is translated as “offer this” or “sacrifice this” over seventy times in the Old Testament.
Also, every time “anamnesis” appears it is within a sacrificial context (see, for example, Numbers 10:10). It also can be translated as memorial offering or memorial sacrifice. While these nuances are lost in the English translation, the apostles would have understood the sacrificial meaning of Christ’s words.
He actually did in John 6:35
@@dustinnyblom7835 so, you're telling me that in John 6:35 Jesus had the perfect analogy that people understood and gained Him followers. And later in John 6:53 He used this other analogy that made people walk away and potentially lose their soul, and He never told them that it was symbolic, but allowed them to walk away in verse 66. And he even asked the apostles "do you also want to leave?", Instead of explaining to them that it was symbolic? And even the apostles don't say they know is symbolic, instead Peter answers “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”, in other words, "You have the power to do as you said."
John 6:66
@@DRWH044 they go together in this story
@@dustinnyblom7835 they go together and yet He allowed them to walk away. And never explained it to the apostles?
I think it's rather, an incremental teaching starting with the symbolic and working torwards the real.
If it is only symbolic, why would Paul say in 1 Corinthians 11:29 "anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself"
I don’t just say I love my wife. I love my wife. That’s the difference. That love might be misinterpreted by Protestants as “works” but that’s missing the point. It isn’t the works that “save” my marriage. It’s the love that underlies the works that cause the works and results in a covenantal relationship.
These ladies asked good questions and should've been taught by the Christian what they should choose.
Psalms 25:12
[12] Who is the man who fears the Lord? He will instruct him in the way he should SHOOSE!!
However, he messed up and became a stumbling block when he argued for un unbiblical and man-named doctrine called Calvinism that goes completely against the gospel message!! Keep that belief to yourself!! You're only turning people away from coming to Christ!!
Appreciate the cordial nature of Jeff Durbin. These conversations really show how important Sola Scriptura really is. Jeff responded so quickly with scripture.
Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”
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How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?
Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
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“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️
(CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II).
The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues:
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16).
“Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II).
"Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?"
Read here:⤵️
www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
Sola scriptura is false.
A simple way of putting it is:
• All salvation comes from Christ
• Christ has linked salvation to Baptism
• Baptism is the entryway into the Church
• Therefore, the Church is necessary for salvation
Our Blessed Lord Founded a Visible Church. In Matthew 16:19 our Lord gives this authority over his Church to Saint Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
His Church gave the World the Bible in the year 382 AD. (Do your research into the "Biblical Canon" and how it came about through various councils - dont just take my word for it.. study it.) See here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon
Here's a quote right out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding: "Outside the Church there is no salvation." Study the Early Church Father's too..Google ( www.churchfathers.org ) and read for yourself.
I'll leave you more quotes below as well.. But read for yourself regarding this fact: I rely on our Blessed Lord's One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church guided by the Holy Spirit to provide me with All Truth (Not my "own opinion").
“Outside the Church there is no Salvation.”
⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️
How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?
Reformulateded positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
⬇️
“Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. ➡️ Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” ⚠️⬅️
(CCC here quotes The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium,” 14, from the documents of Vatican II).
The Church is very clear here. There is no salvation apart from a salvific union with the Catholic Church. However, the Catechism continues:
➡️➡️This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation” (quoting, Lumen Gentium, 16).
“Although in ways known to himself God can lead those, who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men” (quoting Ad Gentes, 7, another document from Vatican II).
"Is there really no Salvation Outside the Church?"
Read here:⤵️
www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
Early Church Father's:
Lactantius (died A.D. 310): "It is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the Faith, this is the temple of God; into which if anyone shall not enter, or from which if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation." (The Divine Institutes)
Saint Ambrose (died A.D. 397): "Where Peter is therefore, there is the Church. Where the Church is there is not death but life eternal. ...Although many call themselves Christians, they usurp the name and do not have the reward." (The Fathers of the Church)
St. Augustine:
"In the Catholic Church, there are many other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of peoples and nations keeps me in the Church; so does her authority, inaugurated by miracles, nourished by hope, enlarged by love, established by age. The succession of priests keeps me, beginning from the very seat of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after His resurrection, gave it in charge to feed His sheep (Jn 21:15-19), down to the present episcopate."
St. Ignatius A.D. 35 to 107:
"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8
Saint Jerome (died A.D. 420): "As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." (Manual of Patrology and History of Theology)
Saint Thomas Aquinas (died A.D. 1274): "There is no entering into salvation outside the Church, just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark, which denotes the Church." (Summa Theologiae)
Saint Robert Bellarmine (died A.D. 1621): "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol [Apostles Creed] we join together the Church with the remission of sins: `I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins'...For this reason the Church is compared with the ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church." (De Sacramento Baptismi)
The Catholic Church teaches infallibly, “extra ecclesiam nulla salus,” or, “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But as with all dogmas of the Faith, this has to be qualified and understood properly.
@@catholictruth102so what you are saying is that you don't believe the Bible...
@@frankfortjuggalo5936 Nope, I believe in the Bible just fine. Even according to scripture, scripture is not the only thing which is God breathed, as scripture clearly teaches that prophecy exists in the church.
*Romans 12:6* “Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;”
*1 Corinthians 14:1* “Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy”
If prophecy exists, and it’s from God, then scripture is not the only thing which is God-breathed. And it’s common reason that all things which are God-breathed need to be assented to, thus things outside of written scripture need to be assented to.
Recent Catholic convert from Presbyterianism here. Protestants, especially Baptist types I’ve noticed, Love to say that there is no peace with God in Catholicism.
That’s dead wrong, I have never felt more peace than after a confessing of and repenting of my sins and receiving the Eucharist. The truth is that there is no peace in your sin in Catholicism whereas there can be in Protestantism
WELCOME HOME PRODICAL SON! WE LOVE YOU!!!
(253 A.D.) Bishop Cyprian: “Throne of Peter, the chief church, the Romans.” (Epistle 54:14) “One Church, one chair… another altar cannot be set up, nor a new priesthood… whoever gathers elsewhere scatters.” (Letters 43[40]:5)
“He that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.” (Mathew 12:30)
An experience or how you feel does not dictate the truth. Before the Lord Jesus Christ saved my soul, I was heavily involved with the occult, New Age, and worshipping demons. I was possessed and oppressed. I had such great peace then, or so I thought. The point being, if we go off of a feeling, in this case the feeling of peace, we are not only being foolish, we are then unable to tell anyone else who feels peace that what they are doing is not only wrong, but sinful, evil, and wicked. There is not basis for anyone to tell the old me when I was engulfed in darkness, the peodophile, or the murder, or so forth, that the peace they acquired is not peace at all. Bottom line is, experience cannot dictate truth, therefore, we need an external source of truth hence only God (His Word) can dictate truth as it is objective and absolute. Moreover, it is taught in Buddhism to seek "nirvana" which is to seek peace, meaning, when something or someone gives you peace it must be good/true. This again, is a false sense of peace as it has no basis aside from feelings with are mainly futile. Our hearts are deceitful and wicked above all things, who can know it (Jeremiah 17:9)? I would not trust my own feelings nor my own understanding. We should trust in the Lord and His understanding for His ways and thoughts are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9). Even Peter himself, who walked with Christ, smelted Him, touched Him, saw Him, heard Him, and also witnessed Jesus be transformed on the Mt with Moses and Elijah, professed that there is a more surer word than even his own experiences and this more surer word is: Gods Word (1 Peter 1:19)! If the disciples trusted Gods Word above all, even their personal experiences, how much more should we? To end, the peace that protestants refer to is NOT merely a peace of feeling, but rather a peace of knowing. We know they we are at peace with God whether we feel it or not because God has said so. God has said that all who repent and believe in Jesus Christ are justified and HAVE peace with God (Romans 5:1). The word peace in the Greek is 'irene' which is closely related to the Hebrew word for peace which is 'shalom.' Both signify a state of goodwill between parties from which come all blessings, material benefits, and is particularly a gift from God resulting in the Lords favor and salvation upon His People. Peace with God means we are no longer condemned, we are not longer in a hostile relationship with Him, we have been joined together with Him, a state of goodwill between us and God. Praise the Lord! His peace is far greater than any feeling could hold. I would encourage you not to make way for the flesh as it seems you may have in the sense of trusting it as true. I say this even to myself as sometimes I make way for my flesh and my feelings begin to attempt to triumph over the Word of God. Praise God for His grace and mercies, that even after those fleeting moments pass, I am able to come to Him in repentance and faith and ask Him to help me remember what He has spoken. Pray this helps you! God bless.
Welcome home brother 😊
Well said
From a Catholic background but now know that my salvation was purchased by Jesus on the cross. Jesus offers eternal life by believing in him. My works have to do with the relationship with God not my eternity with God.
I find it interesting how he quotes the end of the letter of John saying "I write these things onto you that you may know that you are saved". What Jeff fails to mention are the things that John wrote that we may know that we are saved. Everything that John wrote was a huge list of conditions that we couldn't possibly know whether we meet all of those conditions.
The grace of God is not based on conditions...if it was based on conditions then not one person on earth would be saved and that applies to all, from the beginning of time until the end of time.
Jesus Christ did not come to earth and go though the agony of being sacrificed so that we would still have to earn the way to Heaven. If salvation was based on earning the way to Heaven, then Christ being sacrificed would have been done so invain.
The worst thing that can be done is to read the Bible from the carnal mind but by asking Jesus to be the way maker for Him revealing His Word, His Holy Spirit does reveal His grace.
By setting Jesus and His saving grace in a box, it is like elevating self to be set in the Throne of God, which is impossible to do, but so many christians try to do just that, to set self on the Throne of God.
There is only one whom sits on the Throne of God and it is Jesus Christ. To be saved and have eternal life with God, one must set self aside, which means to put on Christ, which is to believe Jesus and His saving grace gospel.
To do otherwise is to trying to set self on the Throne of Righteousness and once again, there is only one whom sits on The Throne of God and it is Jesus Christ.
Salvation is solely by the grace of Christ and there will not be one person in Heaven that can boast in any way, shape or form because all glory rightfully belongs to Jesus Christ; The One and only God; The Saviour of mankind and for all whom set their faith in Christ and His finished work, it will be their Key to Heaven. Apart from the righteousness of Christ, no one will enter Heaven by their own merits. There is only one good and it is Jesus Christ The Lord of lords; The Alpha and Omega, now on earth and forevermore.
Interesting exchange. However, one thing both got wrong. When Jesus told the thief, ‘today, you will be with me in PARADISE…’ Jesus was not referring to the Kingdom of Heaven but the place where Jesus went to for the three days and three nights. This was not heaven. It was the place of the dead that Jesus refers to when He said that the Gates of Hades would not prevail against His church. Jesus did not return to His Fathers Kingdom until some 40-days after His resurrection.
Interesting point, thanks for that.
How do you know that? There’s absolutely zero evidence that parodise is another place or purgatory.
@@adrianortega4303 Greeting. My reasonings are because Jesus never referred to paradise anywhere else in the New Testament, for one. He would say, my Fathers Kingdom or the Kingdom of Heaven. Also, when you look at statements of faith like the Apostle’s Creed, we read that, ‘Jesus was crucified, died and was buried… He descended into hell and on the third day He rose again’. Also, after Jesus’ resurrection when Mary Magdalene saw Him and had embraced Him He said to her to not cling to Him because He had not yet ascended to His Father. Those are some of the reasons I do not believe that Jesus was referring to Heaven when He told the thief he would be with Him in “paradise”. We must remember that before Jesus established the New Covenant through His death, burial and resurrection, no one who died before that point in time went to Heaven after death. It was this other place. Jesus went there during the three days and three nights He was in the tomb to proclaim the God News to those who were there and He opened the “Gates of Hades”. Those who were righteous then got to enter Heaven and those who were unrighteousness went on to eternal damnation. Take care and God bless.
”For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;“
- 1 Timothy 2:5
You forgot the first verse of the very same chapter
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, *intercessions* , and thanksgivings be made for all people,
1 Timothy 2:1 ESV
And not Mary or Saints
And what is your point with that verse??
LOL 😆
@@allismamahow do you mean??
@@john_from_eastcoast. If we are called to pray for each other. We are mediators between each other in God. Christ is the one mediator in the sense that He is the only one who can reconcile man with God. However, there can be mediators in other senses - like praying for each other.
Jeff was speaking to an obviously wonderful family. If all American (and Canadian, since that is where I'm from) families were like this one, our nations would be in a much better situation.
Yes your leader is as bad as ours sorry about that but Jesus Christ will RULE. Satan knows his time is short
It’s weird how this Protestants will go to debate regular Catholic guys that have no theology degree but won’t debate studied Catholics with theology degrees
To all the Catholics that know their faith...good for you. Clearly this pastor didn't read Genesis. Abraham offered his begotten Son until the the Angel stayed his hand. This is why Calvin's theology has so many holes...he picks and chooses which scriptures they want to believe. He never read the book of James because James says you are justified by your works as well. Also, baptism saves you as well accordingly to 1st Peter. Some one should ask him where the Bible came from? It is a Catholic book...the Catholic Church choose the books...only the Catholic Church had the right to interpret it.
A catholic book? The entire NT was written by 95AD. How on earth do you get that? No where in the Bible does it say baptism saves you. What about Titus 3:5? What about Isaiah where our righteousness are filthy rags? Why is it the council of Trent which is still alive in Catholicism that twists Ephesians 2:8-9 and adds “plus works”? What about the fact Catholics have their own Bible which isn’t the New Testament? Why do Catholics pray to Mary and use the rosary to worship her more than the Father? Or worship her alone? It’s completely against doctrine to pray to dead people! What about John 14:6. Where Jesus specifically says “I am the way the truth the life and NO ONE gets to the father except through Me”? You can’t even choose a scripture out of context to support Catholicism. Let alone making false idols. Let alone pergatory. Or even the fact the catholic timeline of changes is even worse than jehovas witness. What about the catholic involvement in Islam case in point Khadijah, the mother of Islam? What about the dark ages where Catholics banned the Bible all together and killed 20,000,000 Christians? Do your research kid. Catholicism is the seed of Satan and perverts scripture which is why so many priests are perverts. I’m not a fan of Calvin but he does have doctrine that’s on point like many men, but I’m never going to call myself a name of someone or something other than a follower of Jesus (Luke 9:23)…. You also won’t notice any Catholics who can stay biblical, they make things up, like pergatory and many other things. Especially the fact they think man can forgive sins. Only
Jesus forgives sins Matthew 23:8-10, calling them men Father alone is grounds to run away, power to forgive is insanely false idolatry. (Hebrews 9:22, Mark 2:7) and so many more. The reason we have the Bible is from God alone. Not because some perverts who deviated from God had something to do with the cannon. “The kings heart is held in the hands of the Lord like rivers of water He turns them wherever He wishes”
I was raised Catholic and to be perfectly clear, the Catechism teaches that you are “saved through Christ AND the Church”. That’s in there. So the Roman church never taught that Jesus was enough.
I just did a text search and only time the words "saved through" appear talks about baptism.
Yes, because the church is His Body.
Jesus clearly taught that you must listen to the church or you’re like pagan/tax collector (unsaved people’s). Matthew 18:17.
@@christsavesreadromans1096 "The Church" was not the Roman church that was est. in 340 AD shortly after the Edict of Milan. The Church and even the term Catholic means universal and is in the Bible. The supposition from the Roman Catholic church that this was referring to them is exactly that, a supposition and baseless claim, just like the ascension of Mary, which is not Biblical.
@@expukpuk WE ARE THE CHURCH! The Roman church did not exist until after the Edict of Milan in 340 AD. Catholic is Greek for universal... all the saints are the body of Christ and His Church... meaning Christians.
Protestant tradition and Catholic tradition. Each have their interpretation to scripture. Question is not what the Bible says but whose interpretation of scripture is correct. Some do shallow interpretation and some complex from the traditions. But all are attempts to identify what Jesus meant. This is the dilemma. Read Church history to those that care to find what the first Christian believed. Tradition is important because it’s a means to preserve interpretation and teaching to carry to next generations. We all practice it whether you acknowledge it or not to a degree. God bless 🙏
Actually what matters is God’s Word which was made flesh via the incarnation Jesus Christ I don’t really care about human interpretation if it doesn’t align with what Jesus says besides tradition & rituals are a problem when they take away from the truth of the gospel
No, the question is not who interprets scripture best. You cannot see past your own assumptions if you think that is the problem.
Scripture is one of many Church traditions, and in fact one of the later traditions. Our Lord did not instruct Peter to write a book, He told him to found a Church. And yet for some reason, Protestants think the bible is the single and only source of authority.
Where in the bible does it say we must only derive authority from within it?
The real problem is protestants take one Catholic tradition - the Scripture that we compiled - and confusedly try to use it to undermine the rest of Church tradition.
What came first, through? That's the real problem.
Unfortunately, when man touches anything, it goes awry. Trust in God's word. The rest is irrelevant. His grace by faith. I would recommend to stay away from a cult that practices falsely but continues to deny it.
Correct. And it was the Apostles whom were told that they will be guided by Christ himself ALWAYS. So the only churches that have a place to debate are the Catholics and Orthodox, due to their proven apostolic succession. Protestants and other "Christians" are simply following the traditions of men.
@@TruLuanPLEASE READ YOUR CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ( CCC ) WHAT IT TEACHES IS HERESY IT DEFINITELY ISN’T ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE,READ IT YOURSELF! IF YOU BELIEVE THE CATECHISM IS TRUTH THEN YOU EITHER DONT KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES OR ITS INTERPRETATION !
@ApologiaStudios In regards to your question at 16:40 Leviticus 17:10-14 depicts the forbidding the consumption of blood and the impact and punishment of doing so. Makes Christs offer of his blood and flesh make more sense as a cultural reference. "Life" and "Spirit" may be the semantic catch from the the text.
The armor of God in action. God bless you