Can You Beat Super Mario Sunshine Without Touching Water?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 เม.ย. 2024
- Super Mario Sunshine is a game all about water. There's water in every level. So is it possible to beat the game without touching water? In this video, I attempt to beat Super Mario Sunshine without touching water!
Here's the @NathanielBandy video that inspired this: • Can I avoid touching w...
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The 120 Shines TAS actually manages to defeat Mecha-Bowser _and_ leave before the sprinkler, but it takes a shot at the very beginning which I think is frame-perfect.
In Ricco 6, you don't have to use the blooper as soon as the red coins spawn, so you could just go for the mid-air one without touching water, then get the blooper for the other ones, leading to only one water touch. It might be possible to get all the coins without blooper or touching water, but the timer will probably make it tricky.
When spawning on the plaza, you don't control Mario until he lands if you're coming out of a main level, but you can control him if you're coming from the title screen. Just save and quit after Noki 7, reload the save file, and you can hover to safety!
Wow! I've had a few of these pointed out to me, but I had no idea about the title screen mechanics for the Delfino Plaza one. That's really cool, thanks!
Oh, someone beat me to mentioning grabbing the midair red coin then going back for the Blooper lol
Isn’t there also a trick (early yoshi-go-round) that could remove some entrances to Pinna Park? I only know this game’s speedrun through AverageTrey’s videos so I could be wrong, but I think that would remove a few touches
@@deuceditton2574 Yes, I could've saved one touch that way! I misunderstood the glitch and thought that I still had to enter the level the same number of times.
The legend speaks
I'm gonna imagine Mario accidentally brought his clothes that were dry clean only. And that's why he doesn't want to touch water
Wet clean only on this island
He gonna get a scolding as soon as he rescues Peach
Very sad that Mario, a 40-50 something year old man, doesn't know what dry cleaning is.
A plumber whose uniform is dry cleaning only… how ironic.
"By succeeding, I successfully beat Super Mario Sunshine"
I too am incredibly poetic
The "By succeeding" is referring to the Bowser fight 🤣
@@MandatoryPixeland it was certainly successful, huzzah and bravo
Ah yes, this success is made of success.
By doing, I did the thing to do to get it done.
This was truly a Mario Sunshine
I would say the boooper touching the water doesn't count as it's essentially a moving platform, and you don't count any platform that's touching the water
Yeah, not to mention the player is Mario, Mario rides the blooper, therefore Mario isn't touching the water when he rides a blooper. So as long as the turn isn't sharp enough to cause Mario to touch the water, riding a blooper is safe for the goal.
Also even if you did count it. You could just grab the coin you had to jump for as Mario then get the blooper after. Making it only 1 touch
To further the case that it is just a glorified moving platform, you can be knocked off the blooper so Mario and the blooper are clearly two separate entities.
9:37 with that logic standing on a boat or the platforms from earlier also count as touching the water.
I would count the blooper as if it were a small speedboat thats independant of mario instead of a part of mario in that sense.
I can understand this perspective! I think I'd agree that I wouldn't personally count the Blooper's water touches, but the main difference compared to the platforms in the water is that you're actually controlling the Blooper's movement.
Mario is ontop of the blooper and doesn’t touch water. You are good to go.
Alternative title: Mario sunshine but Mario has a job interview after this
Well he did mention having to get a job to Toadsworth in a sadly uncut line. XD
Pinna Park entry cutscene be like "A water touch is a water touch, you can't say it's only half a water touch."
If I remember correctly, one of the boxes on the left side of Sirena Beach should have a 1up in it, which would give you a single use refill during the Manta battle.
I just checked, and yeah, you're right! That is something I wish I had known 🤣
The whole video I was thinking "doesn't your tank refill when you get a 1-up?" Lol
@@deero8505 I think it also refills your life meter.
10:54
“Next up is Pinna Park!”
Mario: “Ah, So you’ve chosen death” ☠️
If you're allowed to pickup a nozzle to refill your water, then surely you are also allowed to pickup bottles of water? You're not touching the water itself.
that's what i was thinking too
Well no, assuming it's osmosis, mario drinks the bottle
@@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32 No one is assuming its osmosis. We're assuming he pours the bottle into flood off camera.
@@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32why the fuck would it be osmosis
@@BhjdkMario breathes through his skin
Just so you know, jumping through the leaky bathroom in Sirena 3 is not required. There's actually a tile in the entrance area to the pool that you can ground pound to take you to the room below it, where the leaky bathroom would normally take you. I don't know why they thought to put that there, especially given how hard it is to find the tile (so I can't believe kid me found that before the leaky floor jump), but you could have used that as an alternative to banana clip.
That tile is completely obvious as its a different shade than the rest.
@@XenoWars Not the ones in the pool room. They're all the same color. It's just the one in the storage room that's a different color.
It's not a different color, because you aren't meant to use the tile to go down into the room above the bathroom. You are meant to enter into the pool room with that tile, from beneath. There is an outline above a bouncy bed on the 2nd floor to show that. THE WEIRD THING, is that there is a *_second tile,_* that has no indication of existing *_WHATSOEVER,_* in that same room. Test all of the tiles in the pool room, you'll eventually find it. If I remember correctly, its on the right side of the divider thingy (from the direction of entering the pool room from the door.)
It's possible to spray the tiles right by the pool room to find the one you can ground pound.
I would actually exclude the roller coaster water based on the cutscene rule. You don't have control over the coaster, and the coaster is what forces you into water, not Mario, so I would count that under the same principle as cutscene water. However, if you were to do the fight too slowly and touched the water a second time on the coaster, I would count that, because that water touch would be due to a failing of Mario's, not the coaster.
nah thats bullshit
@@Doctorzzimnah hes got a point
Petition to name the speedrun category for this concept Dehydration%
Really amazing video! I like how you actually took the heart of the challenge seriously instead of just giving up because of Fludd or something. Really clever strategies throughout the run.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
I love how you y-turned after most shines so Mario shows off his shines to IDK who
Ha, I wasn't sure how many people would be familiar with that trick!
Awesome! I’d love to see a 100% run with these rules, or everything possible without touching water
this was a really funny idea, since water makes up a lot of sunshines identity
Thanks! It definitely changes things up enough to make it fun to play.
Also, because Nathaniel Bandy's video was such a cop out lmao
"7.5/10 too much water" - reviewer skill issue
I really appreciate this video! I always hate it in those "If I touch x it changes to the next game" videos where one game is just completely skipped because of some dump technicality. Like, touching the *puddles* made by FLUDD, ok, I could see counting that, trying to avoid your own puddles could be an interesting challenge, but the water particles from the spraying animation while Mario is standing still on dry land!?!? Bruh!! It was a long time since I saw that video, but I remember being SO disappointed! I remember wondering about Sunshine leading up to it. There's so much water everywhere, you need to be in water to refill FLUDD's tank, and then he just goes "Nope! Not doing this game! Water particles!" Like dude what!?
Mario definitely stayed dry while surfing on the blooper. I would say he only got wet 11 times.
Did you know that during the Manta fight if you stand under the umbrellas where the coins are, you are completely safe from the mantas and the goop? They're projected from the sky like beams of light, so they can't go under anything. You could have just stood under one of those umbrellas taking potshots.
True! I do know it works like that, but I find it harder to defeat them like that.
Cool video! Really loving these challenge type videos! Can't wait to see more!
Personally, I'd say only 4 instances of touching the water should count.
1. The Mecha Bowser sprinkler.
2. The Noki Bay Waterfall
3. The Noki Bay Bottle
4. Entering Flooded Isle Delfino
The bloopers shouldn't count. Following the logic that Mario is standing on the blooper that's in the water, anytime you touched a boat or other platform sitting in the water would also count. Just because it's thinner than everything else doesn't mean it should count.
I don't think Pina Park should count either. Though, I can at least understand why someone would count it, being in water during gameplay and all. However, you enter it via an unavoidable cutscene. The act of initiating the touch wasn't really a part of the gameplay. Not to mention, touching it there doesn't really do anything for you? It doesn't refill the water tank or give you another path.
The reason I count the Noki Bay bottle and Flooded Isle Delfino is that you're required to move through the water. You need to swim through the water in flooded Isle Delfino to get anywhere remotely safe, so even though you had no choice of landing there, you still needed to touch it. Same thing applies with the bottle in Noki Bay, you're actively moving through the water. Pina Park is a bit different as I would imagine you could jump out of the water and hover away without needing to walk forward through the water first.
Thanks very much! I'm glad you're liking them!
For the Blooper touches, while I think I'd agree that I personally wouldn't count them, I think it's different than the boats and platforms because you're actually controlling the Blooper's movements. Your other points make sense as well, and I figured everyone might have different opinions on a lot of them, which is why I tried to accommodate those by doing the different counts at the end.
Thanks for watching!
Riding a blooper is definitely not touching water. I think that's true for the cutscene drops and the Bowser sprinkler (while the death animating is playing).
But touching frozen water is still touching water. Lol
i counted the final cutscene drop into delfino
@@Avriel_Mimiga why that one?
No way does ice count, does touching a rock count as touching lava?
@@ohno5559 considering being molten is a requirement of lava, no. Touching a solid rock does not count as touching a molten rock.
If it was "you can't touch rock" and you touch lava, though, then yeah. That counts, since lava is rock.
Define "Ice".
@@ohno5559 Let me elaborate. Lava is very specifically rock that is molten and is above the ground. A rock does not need to be solid to be a rock.
In this scenario, the Water is to rock as lava is to ice (in other words, it was a false correlation you made, but an easy one to make). If you touch Ice or a cloud, you are touching water.
Play without touching grass - Don't go outside
Play without touching water - Don't bathe
Step by step, we're approaching true gamer status.
The defeat animation is a cutscene and thus touching water during it doesn't count (to me). Sure, you can move where you're looking, but you don't actually have any meaningful control.
13:45 14:27 (and many more during that level) 16:46 18:10 You touched Fludd Water (obviously possible without doing that so not a huge deal just felt like mentioning)
noki bay more like stinki bay >=(
22:52 Oh, wait, do you agree with my first point? Because there were 2 water touches in Noki Bay. Or is the bottle a cutscene drop?
22:55 love the use of the invisible delfino glitch for this epic visual
To address these in order:
- I counted a cutscene as any point where you don't have control over Mario. Since you still have control over his aiming while the defeat animation plays, I wouldn't consider that a cutscene, but I can understand why someone might!
- Yes, as I mentioned in the rules, FLUDD's water was excluded! Only diving through it to slide was banned.
- Yes, the bottle counted as a cutscene, since Mario jumps into the bottle himself and you have no control over it.
- Thanks!
And thanks for watching!
@@MandatoryPixel
- d(^v^d)
- Ohhh I misunderstood that as just being the splashback and that touching water on the ground was forbidden
- Ohhh OK
- YW!
and thanks for making!
Great video! I love these silly little self-imposed challenges but not everyone who does them are as thorough or as consistent as I would like. For example they might come up with a lot of arbitrary exceptions to their own rules just so that they can technically complete the challenge, or they might gloss over large parts of the challenge that they don't deem interesting enough to show even though it's not obvious why they wouldn't be interesting to a regular viewer, so as a viewer you're just left feeling like the video is incomplete. However, your video was excellent imo, as you clearly established the rules you were playing with from the start, and took the time to discuss any iffy edge-cases (like cutscenes that drop you into water before gameplay) so that viewers can make their own judgement. I also appreciate that you included at least short segments of shines that weren't really a problem but still required some different thinking from a regular playthrough, like the water path at the beginning of Bianco Hills.
I understand that this video was just about beating the game, but I'd also be curious about the possibility of a full 120 Shine run without touching water. If you'd be interested in making such a video then I'd definitely be interested in watching it!
Thanks very much! I definitely know what you mean, I feel like some challenge videos I've seen skip through more events than I'd like, so for my videos I like to mention a lot of what happens so it feels like a complete experience.
Regarding a video doing a 100% run with these rules, I tend to do a new game in each of my videos, and I'm not really sure how I'd be able to differentiate it from this one since there would be a lot of overlap. But I'll probably do more challenges for other Mario games!
They discovered arbitrary code execution that requiees you to get unlock noki and get to eel fight only. To do that you need to unlock pinna park (i dont think you have to go in it but if you do thats one water touch). Then you toich water twice in noki to get to eel then preform arbitrary code excecition that warps you to vowser and beats bowser in just one ground pound. So that should only be 2 touches (3 if you need to go into pinna park). This is tas only tho, if you do it using human methods you can skip pinna 5 reducing one water touch.
8:29 Actually, if you ask me, I wouldn't have even counted using the bloopers as touching water, since you/Mario aren't directly touching the water at all, just the Blooper is. But props for the dedication!
Nevermind, you just acknowledge that seconds later, lol
For the pina park bowser fight: the 100% TAS actually skips touching that sprinkler! You can grab the rockets early by spraying water at them, allowing you to kill bowser before the sprinkler. Then they exit course during the loadout to skip the cutscene. So in theory that's one less water touch you need to make! th-cam.com/video/CLhC_M_IDUo/w-d-xo.html
Wow, that's awesome! Do you know if it's TAS-only?
@@MandatoryPixel I couldn't find any information on it, and even the world record individual leaderboard doesn't make use of it, so it looks like it's at least precise enough that someone grinding the level over for a fast time doesn't try to bother for it.
The big difference between the TAS run and the IL WR seems to be that they make a shot at mecha bowser immediately; nothing in it looks TAS specific at a glance, just that you need to aim at a specific spot really fast, and then not screw up the other parts.
I haven't speedran this game myself though so I wouldn't know, but it does look possible RTA, just annoying and not worth it usually.
@@dimipzc3420 Interesting! Thanks for the info!
One could debate that moments where you spray water onto the ground and immediately march through it, or hover backwards so the streams of water touch your heels, could count as water touches. But I'm pretty sure every moment of those you showed could be circumvented just by being really slow and careful, so I'll allow it.
I had excluded FLUDD's water in the rules! Otherwise I would have tried avoiding it.
Fludd holding water definitely doesn’t count as touching it. I love Nathaniel’s videos, but he can be very strict with what he counts as touching something. He’s counted being in front of something in the background as touching a color.
Poor Mario dehydrated and dry as heck throughout this run.
Pixel: "The best way to gamble is to cheat!"
Police Officers: *March toward camera menacingly*
Since the human is mostly made out of water, it is impossible to complete Mario Sunshine without touching water.
but what if we considered the fact that mario is no regular human?
(Looks at the water)
That's it, I gotta replay Sunshine
Riding on the Blooper doesn't count in my opinion, otherwise standing on a boat which is touching the water would count for the same reason.
yesss new mandatorypixel video. love ur commentary on the challenges, very interesting to watch (:
Awesome vid, really liked all the considerations and workarounds
It's impressive that you managed to beat this game!
Great concept for a video, an dyou executed it perfectly. Great stuff, my man.
What a cool mix of glitches and platforming! Great job!
Blooper doesn't count sure, but you constantly stepping in your own puddles does :)
Great video! I'm extremely surprised you don't have more subs
You can also skip one of the Pinna Park water touches at the start of the level by doing the early yoshi-go-round (EYG) skip. You can only skip one level with it though since you have to have episode 4 completed and it gets you the sixth shine
this was super entertaining I love seeing Sunshine get cool challenge videos too its a great game
Yo your channel is awesome. I hope you keep doing challenges. I'm not even much a fan of sunshine but your video was so well made I didn't even need any prior knowledge to enjoy it.
Thanks, I'm glad to hear it! I try to explain things well enough that people unfamiliar with a game can still understand things, without going overboard for those who already know it.
It's been on year since I've watched your Paper Mario video and you're still making these videos. Impressive, keep it up my guy! :D
Thank you, I remember your comments! Thanks for sticking around!
you should be able to skip 1 pinna park entrance water touch if you do the yoshi go round early skip, which skips episode 5.
You know what, I literally watched a tutorial on that glitch while making this video, but I think I miscounted and thought that since you re-enter the level to do the skip on an older shine, you'd be entering the same amount of times. But I think you're right!
Well, that's certainly not how I played it as a kid. I used an action replay for UNLIMITED WATER!
you're probably one of the best youtubers there are pls continue youtube
Mario must be the most dehydrated person on this island.
All these video are great work man
At 13:00 you mention that you enter the course seven times. But Pinna Park is the third course in the game besides Bianco Hills and Gelato Beach that allows you to skip a shine. You only need to enter six times. The skip is called "Early Yoshi-Go-Round" or EYG for short.
True! I was actually familiar with the glitch, and even watched a tutorial on it while making this video, but I misunderstood the glitch and thought that since you re-enter the level on an older shine to do the skip, you'd still be entering the level the same number of times. It wasn't until I got some comments about it that I looked back and realized my mistake!
This challenge was really fun to watch you should do more mario challenges and even expand onto other games such as the sonic franchise for example
Thanks! I've done a few videos on some of the Mario RPGs, as well as a Pokémon one, if those interest you. I'd like to do more games from other franchises going forward!
drinking game:
take a sip of water each time you hear "water"
stay hydrated
Bowser trolled you with that water remark.
there's only 3 of the instances i'd count as unobtainable, where you get put into the bottle, where you're dropped off at the beach and where to have to jump into the waterfall.
Great video! Hope to see more!
I would think the bottle should count regardless since you are forced to play in water, rather than having the option to immediately leave
That's fair enough! I counted it the same way as the Delfino Plaza drop near the end of the game - even though you have to swim around in the water yourself, you're dropped into the water by a cutscene, so I count it as a cutscene touch.
GREAT VIDEO! Interested to see what else you make man!
Thanks very much!
4:00 The Peety piranha thing is fine, its in his body at that point. It's bodily fluids that hit mario, not water. 😂
I want one of these game challenge "can you beat this Mario game without this or that" videos but it's just a one second clip of the game with the narrator saying "no!"
For the manta in Sirena Beach, isn’t there a box on the immediate left side of the level you can ground pound that gives you a 1-up, which gives you an extra refill for your tank? It might’ve made the fight easier
Yes, there is! I didn't know it was there, but another comment told me about it. It definitely would've helped!
@@MandatoryPixel Oops sorry for the repeat advice. You powered through it anyways, this was a fun watch and good job
@@schmatthewneyan87 Thanks! No need to apologize, I appreciate the advice!
As a human, Mario is about 80% water, so this challenge failed before it even started
9:40 maybe you can get that coin with mario and then come back for blooper in time
also, in pinna park, you can use EYG (Egg Yoshi Glitch i think) in the shine 5, which consists on managing to enter the subarea for the shine 6 in the level 5, skipping the level 6 and so skipping 1 water touch of the very start
Yes, I've had these pointed out to me!
The Yoshi skip is a bit funny, because I actually knew the glitch and watched a tutorial on it while making this video, but I miscounted and thought that since you have to go back to an older episode to do the skip, you'd still be entering the same amount of times. But I think you're correct!
As for the Blooper one, it definitely sounds possible!
I'll be honest, the end stats were really cool. Only 2 actual touches seems crazy
Something I've learnt is that 1ups give water when collected. I think one of the boxes in sirena beach has one so it can make that mission easier
Interesting video. Especially considering I've never played this game, but I've always been curious about it. Well done.
Thanks! I generally try to explain things in enough detail that people who haven't played the game before will understand what's going on, without overdoing it for people familiar with it. Glad to hear that I managed to keep it interesting for you!
Good luck getting to 100K, by the way! I recognized your name and was a little shocked 🤣
@@MandatoryPixel Thank you, I think you explained it well considering how little I knew about the game before I watched.
Freaking love that you used gelato skip 🎉 goated video my friend
This is amazing
You should do a without killing an enemy challenge for the new Super Mario Bros. Wonder game
This was a very fun challenge to watch
Super Mario Sunshine: Mario is Allergic to Water Edition.
(That's an actual condition a person can have.)
Underrated channel!
Thank you!
I never knew that you could just use i-frames to get across the lava in The Goopy Inferno. I personally always used the skip route of following the river, but that's not exactly applicable in this run.
That's the route I usually use too, actually!
New drinking game idea: take a shot every time Pixel says the word "water".
On second thought, don't because you'd probably get sent to the hospital for obvious reasons.
On the big shock turtle mission at pinna park, you can dive through the fast-spinning Ferris wheel from the top. So you don’t have to do any of the obstacle course.
nice to see interesting challenge videos from you
as a fellow far down the leaderboard speedrunner my first thought was
"how is he gonna do noki 4"
underrated channel tbh, seems like you don't get enough subs considering the effort, so ima help fix that
I've played this game so much but I never knew King Boo shot bubbles at you.
Oh man this sounds crazy, and cool
Awesome video!!!!
Touching bowsers bath water deals damage because of the anguish knowing you'll be called a simp
LOL, this is one of the best comments I've received
Interesting challenge. I think the video have been improved by adding a water touch counter.
1:03 I didn't;t even know that move existed, lol.
Idk how i got here, didnt even search it, nor do i speedrun this game....but here i am all about it
If I remember correctly, in the shine with the out of control ferris wheel, the ferris wheel has no collision so you can climb the scaffolding thing near the ferris wheel and hover through the wheel to defeat the electrokoopa and get the shine.
The gelato beach glitch did look like you touched floods water, but maybe im wrong :D
I would not count the squidsurfing before as touching though
Water you doing! Thay is liquidily improbable!
Dude, still.... Congrats on rank 300 on a HIGHLY competitive game!! I mean like highly contested.... 👍🤝
Intersting take, deciding to ban water bottles but still allowing other refills from nozzles and 1ups. I feel that from a mechanical standpoint, they ought to be treated the same.
That's fair enough! The way I thought about it was that the water bottles exist specifically to fill FLUDD's tank with water, while the nozzles and 1-Ups exist for other reasons. The fact that they ALSO fill your water is an unexpected bonus on top of its intended purpose.
Iirc there’s a 1-up in a crate near on the beach at Sirena Beach and 1-ups refill your tank without touching any water
My head cannon: Mario has a water allergy and didn't know he did before
I only considered the roller coaster sprinkler as water touched since the other ones are meant to be forced.
0:11 NATHANIEL SCUTTLEBUG BRANDY EVERY FRICKEN TIME!
Just a comment I'm making before the video begins: You may have never noticed this, but touching a 1up or grabbing another FLUDD nozzle (even the same one) also refills your water.
Edit: Oh, good, you mentioned both of these techniques!
you mentioned at the start that water from the flood doesn't count but the water used to fill up piranha was water from the flood
Technically mario IS 95% water. So its actually over the second you boot up the game.
By succeeding I successfully… is such a great line.
The amount of times he touched the water while killing shadow mario was too high 😂