How Speedrunners get 25 Shines before the game starts
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- How many Shines can you collect before Peach's Kidnapping? This ridiculous Super Mario Sunshine Speedrun Max% Pre-Peach is the answer to that question
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Psst... if you want more Sunshine stuff, I've recently started streaming SMS any% on my Twitch channel again. (But don't tell anyone!)
Hi
i wont tell anyone
@@djbongwater same
Dude I love your sms content
Too bad. I'm going to tell every person I know!
"He then stores a quick burst of vertical speed by sideflip diving into a banana" Might be my favorite sentence ever spoken
I just hate it when I slip on a banana and I suddenly go flying upwards
@@pablopereyra7126 same
Why does it sound like something the Speedrunnermario in the Terminal Montage Universe would do
I love the bizarre and arcane terminology that arises from speedrun strategies and game bugs and exploits
Games in general make you say the stupidest things out of context
>Drowning a Pianta in goop so you can come to the rescue
Pacfis
hero syndrome be like
Supr hero
Its not actually pacifist because you're deliberately and maliciously creating the conditions that will lead to harm.
Sometimes you have to cause damage to help restore peace and earn that hero title....
@@platinumshard8688 Naked force has resolved more issues throughout history than any other factor.
I love how Sunshine speedrun tricks are one of two things:
1. Several pixel perfect imputs after getting this fruit from one side of the map to another and using a frame perfect hover will net you this clip
2. Walk through this wall with no collision
That's not just Sunshine, that's a lot of games
@@baxterbruce9827 idk many games when you get foods from another side of a map to another and using a frame perfect to clip /j
Lmao.
@@robloxarchiverLmao.
lol when I was playing the game in my youth (and having no exposure to speedrunning) I challenged myself to get as many sprites without cleaning the first statue. I called it the "slacking off challenge" because the pianta police in the cutscene said they knew if I would start slacking off. So I started slacking off.
How did you do?
How well did you do it?
@@charliefranklin8523 eh i did ok. I would get the free bee shines, like the one in the sand and the pipe that leads to the slide, the red coin one by the cannon, and all the stuff in pianta village up to yoshi skip.
Once I started looking up glitches I would get the rest of the pianta village stuff, the 100 coin shine in plaza, the pachinko machine, etc. so I’d say around 20 shines and 20 blue coins? I definitely did not get crazy with it like the ppl in the video haha. No barrel stacking or one hour of falling 😂
For a while, then, you very likely held an unofficial world record.
Hot take: "Slacking off challenge" is a way better name for this than "Max% Pre-Peach".
“Pacifist run”
Intentionally putting goop in front of a pianta to endanger him so you can save him
Well, to be fair, it's not your fault he's not watching his step.
A worthy sacrifice!!!! 😂
We do a little trolling
"I didn't stomp that goomba, it just failed to get out of the way of my feet"
It's not the Batman he wants but a Batman he needs
This still sort of fits Lowest Percent. You're trying to do as much as possible with the lowest percent of story progression.
Lowest percent of story progression would be a 0:00 time in the main menu.
@@SimpleAmadeus that’s just Low% story progression but what Neutral Dalek was talking was Max% Low% Story progression
@@joshuarodriguez2450 0 divided by 0
@@lpfan4491 well I wouldn't consider 0 to be story progression in terms of a video game. 0 by definition is no story progression, so to call it the "minimum story progression" is like calling my dog the smallest cat because he is 0% cat
@@SimpleAmadeus Technically, yeah. But categories that don't aim to beat the game already start from a 1 shine file. You're not progressing the story any further than from where you started.
This felt like visiting an insane asylum and asking why they are here for.
Collecting coins and suns before the princess gets kidnapped, duh.
Speedrunning in its core feels that way, honestly.
what?
@@goopi_eh yep, but this felt particularly insufrible when they said boxes are fine because they are "dead trees". Like, chill over there fellas.
@@AngelEMtz That sounds like a joke. Obviously it's just a video game and people will use logic to play around with ideas like a "pacifist run". Shrug
The part about not bouncing on Pianta's was the funniest part of the video, for me at least.
I'm not a speedruner, and I don't think I ever will be, but seeing the sheer amount of passion people have for some games, to the point where categories like this even exist, is unironically inspiring. Sure, they're just video games, but they're also art, and the dedication people like this show is a celebration of human creativity and I love it.
If you add in TAS, it becomes an odd form of engineering and math, finding the optimal way to do certain actions. I find it pretty interesting.
I looked at your name but not the actual date, and I thought that you commented this 12 years ago. When I looked at the actual date, I realized that I looked at your name wrong lol
@@The_FireExtremeProd Hehe gotcha
You could make the argument that speedrunners have no respect for a game, going against what the developers intended (Sometimes it's true, sometimes the developers encourage it) but stuff like proves that they love and care a game so much they want to push the limits of they're favorite game.
Don't forget that Nipple%, GoHomeAndDie%, KFC%, and Dank% exist.
I see those videos and I think to myself: "man, we sure are lucky the speedrun community care more about games rather than conquering the world"
Nah man they're just gaining power until they can take over the world
"By wallkicking across the fence, backflipping across the lawn before the Secret Service agents gets you, then glitching through the White House wall at just the right point, speedrunners could collect the Nuclear Football without being elected President, thus skipping the Campaign and Election stages and shaving years of their time."
@@bificommander You forgot the BLJ (backward long jump) at the stairs to heaven.
@@panosplays4297 But first, we need to talk about parallel universes...
@@xexpaguette Uhh I think you ment to send this to the creator of the og comment.
"Many great things can be achieved by using fruit."
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
"Sun Tzu said that! And I'd say he knows a lot more about speedrunning than you, pal!"
- Soldier TF2, probably
My favorite thing about this series is you always explain how the glitches work and exactly how they exploit minute eccentricities of the game's physics. To me that's what makes speedrunning interesting.
This is an example of English being weird. Minute as in precise/tiny, not as in 60 seconds.
Bowser's response to this speedrun: "Maybe I don't want to be the bad guy anymore"
Wreck-it Bowz
funnily enough bowser really isn't the bad guy in the first mario game: bowser's takeover is completely bloodless and there are some pretty heavy implications that peach's parents weren't exactly the nicest people what with the casual xenocide levels of racism and all that, the only person who actually kills or even harms anyone in that game is mario himself, even worse the people he harms the most are the ostensibly innocent civilians currently turned into blocks by bowser _to keep them SAFE_ during the coup.
@@evernewb2073 and I suppose Rosalina is Peach's daughter from the future too.
@@anueutsuho7425 talking about the game theory bullshit?
nah, I dunno anything about that, the whole thing about bowser literally not hurting a single person in the first game is straight from the game manual, he casts a kingdom-wide spell turning everyone into blocks, the similarly powerful individuals resist it, and mario sets to murderin'
as far as I know we never once in any game get any explanation as to wtf happened to peach's parents: no indication they were turned into blocks but peach was alone when bowser got there and nobody has seen them sense, or even seems to remember they ever existed, they are mentioned in one sentence in the manual and like 2 pages of one of the very early comics nintendo made.
personally my best guess is that Nintendo just straight up forgot they existed until it had been too long and too much had happened in the setting without them being mentioned so bringing them up would be awkward.
as for mario being a murderous psychopath the biggest support for it is pretty dam simple: your score in the game comes from killing people and stealing money. on top of that multikills and fancy kills get you more points so killing people _stylishly_ is important to your score, at no point in the game do you actually HAVE to kill anyone and you're usually going out of your way to do it when you do, from an in-game perspective that score means absolutely nothing to anyone but mario, it doesn't even _exist_ for anyone but mario.
nintendo games tend to be pretty fucked up once you take even a cursory look at them, and not just because-game-mechanics their stories and world mechanics tend towards the WTF too. great example: guess who has killed more people, Kirby or the Doom Slayer?
just realized that comment makes it sound like I've poured over every bit of mario lore exhaustively, I haven't, I'm just familiar with a lot of the older stuff because it wasn't very far into "before my time" and I read a lot and have a pretty good memory for useless trivia.
The alternate universe where e gadd decided selling a magical paintbrush to a turtle child wasn't the best idea
In French he's named K Tastroff, I have no idea what egadd means in English.
@@laytonjr6601 "Egad!" is a common oldtimey scientist phrase, to denote either great shock or something terrible.
This is also a universe where Luigi’s mansion never happened
@@cadencenavigator958 I never knew, thanks!
@@laytonjr6601 wow seems like you guys got shorted. Does his name mean anything like it does in english?
We tooled arround in college with literally this(unaware that it was an actual thing) . We managed, as amatures and a group, to get 20 shines, so I am super happy knowing 24 was the max.
25*
ion berieve it
8:09 Is the first time I've heard this ceiling snap glitch explained and I feel like one of the biggest mysteries of my childhood has been solved. A long time ago (I think before the Wii U was a thing) I encountered a similar glitch in Pinna Park, where I think an Electro Koopa shocked me on the same frame I grabbed the fence, and likely displaced Mario during the i-frames causing him to snap to the top of the map as shown here.
Because the entire map was invisible due to the render distance, I thought I'd managed to despawn every object using this glitch XD
"Many great things can be achieved using fruit"
Words to live by
I read this just as he said it by coincidence lol
It feels so surreal seeing how this blew up
You may have inspired this video 👀👀👀👀
That transition at 5:35 was clean, I almost cried...
Bro I didn't even notice. I know I'm a year late, but thanks for pointing this out.
So basically, bananas are dark magic.
"Many amazing things can be achieved by using fruit" 12/10.
Great vid, by the way!
I read this just as he said it.
true og’s remember when this video was called
“The Speedrun Where Peach is Never Kidnapped”
“Tweeted out a LOTAD”
With the jokes I’d heard so far, I genuinely thought that this was just a joke, and that he literally posted a picture of the Pokémon and that it had no relevance whatsoever
03:06
Ay, you might get 3 goobas.
You might get 4 goobas.
You might get 5 goobas.
10:55 God damn, this is like crate HOLPing in SM64
6:06 "Put a papaya by this wall and uh...you get that one"
Next time I forget my keys at home, I just need a papaya!
The flashing "Absolutely" killed me. I didn't expect that joke.
"He then stores a quick burst of vertical speed by sideflip diving into a banana"
Ah, yes... *_R E A L P H Y S I K S_*
I don't know why but I really enjoy the editing of the video at 15:10. Seeing an abbreviated "lotad" and hearing hoenn music was just really cute and fun! This video is great, I love hearing about low percent categories!
My boy trey back at it with sunshine speedrun knowledge. Feels good
7:15 - The danger was brought to the Pinata with the intention to harm him, I don't think this should be in pacifist rules.
How would it hold up in the court of law?
@@WWEVoice101 you would definitely be held accountable
@@WWEVoice101 That's like finding a bear trap, dragging it infront of someone, and claiming you didn't do anything wrong.
Their definition of pacifist is weird anyway. In most games pacifist means not killing enemies where in this they decided that spraying animals and npcs with water isn't pacifist.
@@scantyer For birds and bees, you do kill them for their blue coins, so I get it. But having to reset if you accidentally bounce on an NPC's head is a bit dumb, imo.
As for the Pianta you "save", he doesn't get in danger through Mario's direct action, he just steps into goop that *just so happens* to be there, for *some* reason.
14:20 I was screwing around in Sunshine just the other day- my first ever full playthrough of the game. The plaza flooded, but the only main shine I had left was the eighth shine in Pianta Village. I was being difficult and didn't want to have to do Corona Mountain before finishing all those shines, so I started messing with that cover (you can't get the rocket nozzle with flood town time). On the first try, I got enough height, and went into the level to get the last shine (without fruit). I died doing the shine, but after it kicked me out the plaza was back to... not flooded-
I was never able to recreate the glitch, so maybe it's only possible fruitless when the plaza is flooded? Either way, it might be worth looking in to some more.
Basically I did that trick when the town was flooded with no fruit- wasn't able to do it again. But all the other tries were when the town wasn't flooded anymore.
watch this be a dope skip that no runner will ever see then discover in like 5 years
Someone will figure it out eventually, we just need to wait and see.
I'm convinced that if speedrunners decided they wanted speed run the end of the world, no one would be able to stop them. There is an unfathomable amount of determination in their community... it scares me honestly
"The Universe" Any% Credits Warp
This whole video I thought, "Man, this guy sounds like Average Trey."
I love your speedrun breakdowns! I can't wait for more!
He isn't the only one who is on this channel every episode has a different person.
max% pre-peach is a speedrunning category I've always instinctually wanted when playing SMS but I never knew was actually possible.
Its actually Insane how speedrun Communitys find things like this!
Lmao I saw the notification for this video and I immediately said "Trey's gunna narrate this one isnt he" (not complaining tho)
"Many great things can be achieved by using fruit".
These videos are my crack. Thank you, lowest percent.
There's some kind of beautiful insanity to the sheer ingenuity presented by the players in these batshit speedrun categories
Alternate name for max% pacifist:
Mario being an actual good guy
Don't really know why, but the "finally, pre-peach lilypad" line cracks me up every time
16:00 talk about a literal "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" moment lol.
I always tell my friends that the toughest enemy in Mario Sunshine is the physics engine. I'm glad its beautiful jank is being used for good as well.
God bless you for using Pokemon music when you were talking about the LOTAD
When you lotad the water types
When I tried this, I managed to get 11 Shine Sprites before unlocking Bianco Hills, I am currently analyzing ways to get more beyond that for a potential part 2 to my original video showcasing this! It’s pretty interesting to see light being restored to the Island before you clean up the large blobs of goop which you were not only instructed to clean but also the very goop that caused the Shines to leave in the first place!
Also, the "Goobers" are officially called Swoopin' Stu’s, I know it’s a bit of an odd name but that’s what the guide says.
"Let's see what is possible for Max% Pacifist." **ad plays**
Thank you, youtube.
I would think the video was demonetized because of c*r*na mountain
I wouldn't know, I use an adblocker
Great video, brought me back! I should go for sub-hour someday
i'd watch if you streamed it
@@samstevens2945 I appreciate it but my Internet is too crap to stream :(
It's times like these when I can really come to appreciate how utterly broken and unfinished Mario Sunshine truly is
Kinda like humans
kids in elementary school explaining how to catch mew in pokemon red: 11:44
Another top tier video. This category reminds me of 100%ing GTA III where you can do the large majority of the work after the first mission or so. Being able to do all the Emergency vehicle missions without having half the city wanting to kill you is much nicer. Also, having all 100 hidden packages makes some of the earlier missions a lot more fun when you can just use a rocket launcher.
If there's a will there's a way. That's how I think of speed runners. Impressive.
"Mario sunshine is a VIOLENT game"
I mean, you apparently choked rabbits in Mario 64. Exploding birds with water is perfectly fine.
Fun fact: According to IIRC an interview with Miyamoto, you were once able to throw MIPS, and Mario even had a unique animation for it with him throwing him by the ears.
@@LonelySpaceDetective I wish I could throws MIPS down a bottomless pit like you can with the baby penguin.
You violently stomp on creatures in lots of the Mario games.
Honestly I love this channel. Always been obsessed with the obscure speed running stories and categories and developments, and some of it is so funny and so ludicrous. It makes me happy to see so much of it documented when there’s basically nothing left of it on the internet otherwise
2:36 Peach's earrings are eyeballs.
Just, uh... thought I'd point that out.
The Cool Pianta sitting by the shore: *relaxing in the sun*
Mario: *tears apart the fabric of reality, seemingly rocketing up into the air for no apparent reason and stacking barrels on thin air*
Cool Pianta: _w h a t_
Oh no mario is becoming more and more powerful by the minute, he can do bljs, extremely high jumps, and phase right through solid objects
He is four parallel universes ahead of everyone.
Oh yes inject the Sunshine content directly into my brain
I love the heartbeat being 87 and 90. amazing reference.
Man I love this channel, y'all really struck gold with this concept and it's such a cool way to get introduced to other runners.
Watching each of these feels like man has landed on the moon again
....or, well, mario has landed on a barrel, or
Stryder back on the mic. Excellent that he's still involved in speed running after all that drama a while ago. Great stuff!
"Codes harm your Wii, which is a living creature."
-Noki Doki, 2017
If one of these runners ever ends up in court, this video could definitely be used as evidence for their insanity plea.
I haven’t played Sunshine yet, and less than two minutes into the video is a spoiler.
Thanks for telling me Peach gets kidnapped instead of letting me experience it organically on my own.
Great work! Would love to see a history of ocarina of time speedruns. The different routes changing so drastically over time is fascinating. They are so fun to watch!
I remember looking into glitches that give Mario a lot of height, and I came across one where all Mario has to do is walk into a building in Delfino Plaza, and fall through the seam separating the inside from the outside. For some reason, every room is located far above the level map, and Mario just teleports there instantly without the player knowning
The whole side stepping barrel underwater save your vertical speed thing was so incredible to see It reminded me why I love speedruns
Love the Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire music
Good vibes
Funny enough: When I realized you could collect shines before fighting the Statue Section, I went on a mission to collect as many shines as possible!
Went pretty good, but some shines require advanced glitch manipulation which I couldn't. But using glitches is quite fun, and overall the experience is satisfying! Most of them require manipulation skills to reach places that you are not supposed to reach, like the top of the Portal Shrine for instance.
It is a challenge I recommend, as each shines is satisfying to obtain ^^ Like when you do the Yoshi skip! Sure it is tricky, but once you pull that out, YES!
PS: I heard you could complete the whole game without ever touching the statue section, but I don't know how true and/or possible this is.
Great idea to have people from their own communities explain things on this channel. This is the next breakthrough in speedrunning video essay content.
This was really well edited. Everything was so well explained with the visuals
One of the greatest speedrunning channels of all time
The Goobas reference really made my day :)
I MIGHT GET TREE GOOBAS
You really know how to make interesting videos and always choose the best games! Great job in this one. 20 minutes looks like 5 minutes when I am watching this kind of quality stuff.
This channel together with SmallAnt have gotten me into speedrunning in general and I love it - even though I'm still learning the most basic things
and i thought i knew everything that could be done before peach's kidnapping, but i knew about prepeach kidnapping stuff before but not this much.
Early Lowest Percent videos feel special cause you know they're gonna be huge one day. I was here at the start, yo!
ayy, that's the dream
I got so into the max% pacifist part of the video that I forgot this video was about max% pre peach
I don't even speedrun anything, but I love learning about speedrun tech and stuff like that, I just find it so fascinating.
0:17 look ma i'm on tv
Sub-channel called the Max Percent that does low% run reviews
Even as a kid I remember trying to collect as many shines as possible before Peach is kidnapped. Idk why but it just always intrigued me the way the NPCs changed as the story progressed. Great video, man.
Lowest Percent: anime is how shadow mario gets his power
Shadow Mario: have the power of god and anime on my side!!
I've been trying out pre-peach on my own whenever I start a new file, but I never knew just how much you can do before she gets kidnapped. Also didn't know the shine gate switched it's collision afterwards!
What have we learned kids? Fruit is overpowered.
These types of videos are some of the best on TH-cam.
I loved this video. The editing and jokes were so on point!
5:59 corporations during pride
Mario be like: “I’m going hurt you so I can save you from me!”
It's insane how fast and strong this channel grew to be. I'm impressed. You did a wonderful job growing it.
Man, I thought I knew this category, but I didn't. This blew my mind! I have some questions!
1. Have we gotten an even close to fully optimized Max% Pre-Peach/Pacifist TAS yet? I hope we do in the future!
2. How marathon viable is this, & what needs to happen for this to become marathon viable, considering it can already be completed in an hour or two? Would playing with position & speed tracking codes be necessary?
Incredible, exemplary video! Thanks for uploading! Can't wait for the next video!
7:20 It's so weird that the game thinks this is the same as saving him from the fire...
These are some of the most arbitrary rules I’ve ever heard
That's the point.
i was just watching all your videos and then another one came out great timing
Love how some creative souls just keep exploring this game and make so much out of it ❤️
"how will you fight bowser in pacifist" hes this games version of asgore, next question
Hi fellow underfan
@@kathrynjamesandben7997 hi lol
*you're gonna have a vegan time*
The Gen 3 music when you showed the LOTAD-
Absolutely loved this vid. Sunshine is my favourite speedrunning game and i had never seen this category before. Also nice to hear averagetrey
Quickly falling in love with this channel keep up the great work