@@YourBoyWang Alone on a ship. With 7 humans. Dallas: we’re gonna search every inch until that thing is dead! In space, no one can hear you scream! Ash: I admire its purity. Brent: This should sting the little bastard! Alien: graaaaasahhhhh insert actions scenes Parker: I’m for killing that Damm thing right now! Alien: Yippie Ky Yah Explosions A L I E N
I heard a review that said a big theme of this movie is sexual violations and everything is designed around it, the chest bursting, the face hugger putting the tube down your rthroat, ash putting the magazine in ripleys mouth, the alien having a phallic mini mouth to penetrate skulls with, the grabbing of Disposable woman #2s pants from underneath with the tentacle thing. When I was told that the director INTENTIONALLY did all this I got creeped out about the director. Not the movie.
True. We're the scariest animal we know of in the real world, so much so that we make movies fantasizing about what it would be like if we weren't for entertainment because we're so dominant.
That's exactly it. If you're the cockroach, the emerald wasp is nothing short of a hideous mosnster. For what is worth, in my opinion xenomorphs are as moral as great white sharks or earthquakes.
@X The movie was always pretty ambigious about the nature of the Xenomorph though. LIke if it was really just a very dangerous predator of some kind. Or if it really had an actual kind of intelligence, on the level of a human maybe even greater in some sense. Like it wasn't just killing the crew, but actually toying with them. Maybe it attempted even to rape Lambert. We will probably never know for sure ... The book, based on the script, even left the question open what ever if Ash tried to communicate with the creature and if he was even ... succesfull in his attempt. In the book, I believe, he was asked by Ripley or Parker and Ash said he wants to take that with him in to his grave.
Reading your comment put the movie in my head but with all roles reversed: Xenomorphs sat at the table eating , lots of banter is in the air, suddenly Big Chap begins choking, his crew try to help and restrain him * Ripleys head bursts from the chest of Big Chap *
Parker: "We gotta talk about this direction situation. Left or right man?" Brett: "Right, right, right." Parker: "(blast steam) But that's just a left goddammit!" Brett: "Right."
I never thought of the Xeno as being good or evil. I always thought of the situation along the lines of it was him or the crew that was going to survive. The Alien was doing what it was instinctually born to do. The crew had no idea what this creature was or what it was capable of and so they felt threatened. The REAL bad guy was the company who set the crew up and put everyone including the Alien in a bad situation. The crew was expendable and the company put Ash on board to prove it.
Couldn't have said it better. Especially at the very end when it hides in the escape shuttle it looks like a spider who crawls inside a very tiny space to hide or simply to be left alone (I think in the script it was dying). Maybe the atmosphere of the space ship wasn't meant for it and it only could survive for a certain period. I want this aspect its motives to remain a mystery though...
@@xenomorphloverthe Xeno knew about the self destruct..and it would be it's best chance of survival let Ripley jettison the escape ship and have a tasty snack for the trip .
The Alien just…IS with no guilt or innocence. It’s an amoral predator. Ash was a preprogrammed android. Kane on the other hand was guilty as f*ck for being an overly inquisitive dumbass.
@@chuckhoyle1211I could never understand why it was called perfect. People seem to have a low benchmark for what constitutes perfection. What even makes it perfect?
One of the few games that sent shivers through my body. The first time you see it in VR holy shite! Probably the most memorable video game memory I have. That and when my care package drop landed on 3 people.
Plot twist: The chest burster ran into Jonesy, after escaping being confined inside Kane, and befriended him immediately. Seeing Ripley, Parker, and Brett chase and trap Jonesy and Jonesy desperately fight his way away from them, the alien decides to intervene and save Jonesy when Brett has him cornered.
Ignoring the explanation that a cat is an unsuitable host, this theory is backed up by the scene where the alien examines Jonesy curiously and leaves him alone. The only difference in the extended scene is the alien shoving the cage out of the way.
The problem with just leaving the alien alone is it's a ticking time bomb due to the acidic blood. If it dies or even just gets injured on something, acid could leak out, breach the hull, and destroy the whole ship. This is why it's such a potentially valuable bio weapon in space.
Ah, but we know from Bishop's studies that the blood neutralises completely upon the creature's death. Granted, the crew of the Nostromo didn't know that.
Going into cryo would be an immense gamble. They know very little about it, what little they've learned is that it can dissolve metal even if only through injury, and there's no way to assess what incidental damage can be caused to the Nostromo by leaving an unchecked ET organism running around. Not to mention a flagrant disregard for quarantine procedure and the ethics of possibly door dashing alien pathogens to Earth. 0/10 do NOT recommend😂
Except that in the original film, the alien didn't have acid blood. Only the 'facehugger' had it. I am not counting the deleted scene that does give the adult acidic blood. When Ripley shoots the alien with the harpoon gun, it is shown as having white blood, like Ash's. This is meant to get the audience thinking if it was an animal or a machine like Ash, or something in between, of which is a common theme of H.R. Giger's work. Additionally, the blood did not melt through the harpoon cable, causing it to be pulled towards the shuttle.
There's hints that the Alien had absorbed memories from Kane (perhaps other victims) and used this knowledge to outsmart the crew. When it heard the klaxon from the self-destruct, it knew to go there for refuge, but perhaps didn't know enough to operate the ship, especially being so near the end of its life and energy.
The Xeno takes traits from its host via horizontal gene transfer, which allows it to be perfectly adapted to the hosts’ environment at birth. While that gene transfer can include instincts (automatic neural responses to environmental stimuli) complex memories would be a stretch. At best, I think the instinct to run from loud noises (thus in the direction of where the other humans are going) might transfer over.
The only person Big Chap really attacked unprovoked is Lambert. It seems to stalk her before it attacked, but everyone else invaded its space, or acted aggressively towards it. It also left the cat alone. And even initially ignored Ripley in the escape ship, until again, it was provoked.
He'd be the exception in this model due to it needing to reproduce, right? Just a critter doing what critters do. An interesting theory that I'm gonna have to chew on.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched the first but the argument could also be made that the Alien was watching him and if memory serves correctly, Brett had a pipe or rod. It’s only after he lowers his defense that the Alien ambushed him, the Alien also never attacks Jonesy who showed the Alien no aggression other than defensive posturing which the Alien clearly understood.
@@MalevolenceIncarnate I'm interested in your line of thinking. Please develop it a little more. If Brett has a pipe (or whatever long object) and is holding it defensively why would the alien then attack after Brett lowers Brett's defense? Brett goes from a defensive position to a neutral position. Isn't a neutral position less threatening? Animals such as dogs get aggressive around defensive posturing but relax when other animals relax. Seeings as the xenomorph doesn't attack the cat who is in a defensive posture... what gives? I'm interested in you flushing out this scene.
@@the_golden_bough8541if you gona take out a possible dangeroes criter you dont do it when it is in a defencive position, you go for the atack when it most vulnereble ( when you gona kill a fly you do it when shes about to land). If you atack a dog/ wolf/ boar/lion when hes showing his theeth/claws you gona get mauled but if you atack while his defence is down he is gona die before he can maw you
Dr. Alan Grant (Jurassic Park): "They are no monsters, just animals fighting to survive." This may be one reason the Xenomorph is so loved an popular...
There's often something deeper in these stories: Frankenstein's Monster wasn't the real monster, Frankenstein was. He tampered in God's domain by creating life. King Kong was innocent. He was brought to N.Y. in chains for the folly of man, all in their pursuit of fame and fortune. But it escaped, destroying the city and killing innocent lives. The mayor in Jaws was the true villain. He knew of the rouge shark, but the "summer dollars" were just too important to close the beaches. The company on Earth wanted the alien for it's weapons division. They even added an android to the crew to protect the alien (without their knowledge). The crew was "expendable." Kane acted irresponsible, but he did pay a big price for it. The alien was acting on it's survival instincts, but was the crew.
By the same logic the nazis were not evil. They saw the extinction of other races as the only way for the german race to survive. Lucifer fought a war against Yaweh as he saw him as an oppressor. Practically every one in history, from Vlad Tepez to the Kmer Rouge, IS or Mussolini can be viewed as only trying to survive or not be oppressed. But it will not be how most people will agree on the evil nature of men or beasts. As for King Kong, he was far from innocent. The locals sacrificed a woman to him every full moon. Our heroine only survived because she charmed Kong in a way the previous women had not. I say good riddance to him, and I cheer for the humans in those movies.
"Alien" did for sci-fi/horror in 1979 what "Pulp Fiction"did for crime drama in the 90s. Even if you don't like either of those movies, their actors, their directors - they definitely forced a change in film making and consumption.
@@SmartCookie2022 sure, the godfather redefined crime movies. I'm not suggesting that the movies I mentioned are the only examples, or that sea-changes in film only occur singularly.
Kane was one of the main reasons they all died, however so was Dallas. A proper captain wouldn't ket his XO set the pace the way he lets Kane. In the novelisation Dallas was a competent enough captain but a bit of a dead ender, always looking at getting by with the minimal amount of effort. We certainly see that here.
I really like this theory. The allure of the initial film, for me, is in great part, that the xenomorph is not a monster. It's alien biology, well thought out, that interacts with the human (and human nature). The following films did not use this aspect very much. They used the xenomorph as a monster. Closest to using the alien biology as the main theme were the Ridley Scott prequels, but they also, sadly, concentrated on (creating) alien mythology, which was problematic.
I wouldn't call the alien innocent, but I've never thought of it as strictly a villain either. It's like if a tiger was loose on a ship; it's just an animal doing what it does to survive. It's still scary as heck and you'd want to stop it, but it's not really evil.
I’ve always thought about how sad this movie would be in the context that he felt so bad about killing Kane that he tried to hide for the rest of the movie
Am IF it seemed to be intentionally trying to avoid the crew all movie. Even as a full grown classic Drone... this woulda been one for the alien... an maybe even a lil funny at times. Seeing the odd ways it'd try to give people the slip instead of knocking them off
One of my all time favorite flicks and this theory never occurred to me. Probably watched Alien at least 100 times including seeing it with my Mom opening weekend in 79. She was a champ for all the horror movies I dragged her to. Will watch it this weekend and take the innocuous Star Beast's side and enjoy it from a whole different perspective. Thanks for a great vid.
In Kane's defence: He couldn't have known that these were eggs. They had the same biomechanical look as everything else on that ship. The eggs could have been food containers, energy cells, computer servers, all sorts of stuff....
Kane is stupid and greedy but in his defense the other films characters covenant and prometheus they where isolated away from help while Kane had 2 team members with him and Kane had old seen one fossilised alien corpse from 1000 of years ago who could have died from anything where as both prometheus and covenant character had seen piles of bodies clearly killed in violent ways and yet still they both threw caution to the wind on the scale of stupid choices Kane was the least stupid of the three
@@redpillnibbler4423kanes actions where incredibly reckless regardless of him recognising them as eggs or not. That right there is a biological contamination and (as far as we are aware) first contact. the last thing you do is mess with it. Even just walking into the egg chamber after clearly stating they seem like eggs of some kind. What if the mother was still present and very defensive of her nest? He doesn't need to know what a xenomorph is, to draw similarities to bears or birds. he knows its biological so you dont even remotely go near it just because of a contamination risk. thats literally the first thing you do if you see any of this. you get the hell out of there immediately just for that alone. they shouldn't even have been near the suspected alien ship the second it was recognised as non-human. the amount of biological and non biological compounds that could potentially harm the crew, or anyone back home when they come back, is endless. the only person who ever acted even remotely smart was Ripley. everyone else was moronic. The only way you could spin this to be logical is if you see them all as lower economic class work grunts and treat their personal mentak horizon accordingly. i know some beer chugging contract workers in some fields ive worked with would absolutely fuck with it, not for an intelligent decisions sake though
One problem that goes against the big chap being innocent theory is the derelict ship. Why would another species have a cargo hold full of friendly tree hugging type creatures?
Exactly. Especially when we learn in Prometheus that the Xenomorphs were actually made by the Engineers specifically to be used as a bio-weapon. And even before Prometheus, Ridley Scott said he always envisioned that ship as being a bomber of sorts, ready to drop those eggs on whoever they were at war with.
Perhaps they were fleeing a warzone, think the school busses in Godzilla 2014. They're thrown off-course somehow and stranded on LV-426, leaving the pilot to die and the eggs dormant.
The point isn't that the xenomorph is a "tree hugger", it is a killing machine, but its an animal and animals are just like that. The true assholes are The company that tried to poke it with a stick.
There's an outtake (from the three-hour DVD documentary) that clearly shows the Alien to be the aggressor, during its encounter with Lambert & Parker. The Alien (from Lambert's POV) is about to punch a hole in her face BEFORE Parker charges at it from behind.
@mistermatix8241 No, because people are exceptionally dumb. You know if there was a species that literally murdered humans to reproduce, there'd be a loud group of people demanding the species be allowed to live.
17:30 The Queen isn't even that hostile. Ripley showed her the flamethrower and she actually decided to let Ripley and Newt go, she even called back the warriors. The only reason the Queen attacked is because Ripley decided to start burning the eggs.
Milburn was a scientist. He knows better. The covenant XO had a visible example of David’s perfidy. He is expected to know better. Cane is a space trucker, a curious blue collar guy. He has no reason to know better.
Exactly, these characters are not even in the same ballpark when it comes to "he should know better!". Milburn was a damn biologist, allegedly top of his field if he got recruited for the mission. Oram was one of the people who were supposed to lead a new colony on an alien planet, i assume he had received proper training for all kinds of scenarios and situations plus, like you said, he had already seen that David was not on his side to say the least. Cane was just a dude driving a huge space truck, maybe he was too curious for his own good, maybe it was greed but you can't say he had been trained in any way for something like the scenario he was in. The only one on the Nostromo one could argue should have known better is Ash and we all know why he did nothing to prevent the disaster.
@watonemillion what does seeing Alien have to do with it? Do you really think the first thing an experienced biologist would do when encountering an alien life form would be to make a sex joke and try to stick his finger in its mouth? Especially when it looks like a snake, has teeth and the first thing that should run though his mind should be that it might be poisonous?
EGGZAKTLY! And Lambert was actually a man before the sex change operation. There's an earlier AlIEN THEORY video about this. I guess l can't blame Big Chap for being ..... curious? L0L And the scene with the "'erect tail"'. If that ain't suggestive, I don't know what is .
It probably sensed that "she" was somehow different which makes the whole sexuality aspect of the Alien and Gigers art even more fascinating than it already is....
The only thing two things Big Chap was "innocent" of is being the child of a facehugger that had no choice but be implanted down Kane's throat by its parent, and the way it evolved forced it to be born in a painful and fatal manner to his father. Otherwise, the second his exoskeleton hardened after his molting, he was a sadistic little (censored) who enjoyed every second of the pain and terror that he caused, and got off easy with a mere plasma-shower that probably did not even kill him. Also, when you think about it, since its actually the Facehuggers who carry out the act of impregnation, the each new Alien are *grand* children of the Alien that created their egg, not their *actual* children.
I thought Egg to Chest Burster to Xenomorph "soldier ant" weren't generative iterations but a life cycle akin to larva, pupae, moth though? ooo, this really is a hatching ground for us nerd fans to discuss ideas and theories!
To me, the question at 9:49 goes to the heart of the matter. Either way, it's not good or evil. But is it aggressive without provocation? It's awesome that you addressed that. Great video.
That was a really interesting perspective to pursue. After all these years, I had never looked at the "alien" as having any innocence or non-violent instincts, until provoked. Great stuff, and another reminder why I love this channel so much. Cheers!
Same here, seemed like when this movie was made it was in anticipation of sequels an perhaps even prequels that would CLEARLY have the Xenomorph species... or at least vast majority of the species as parasitic, literally alien, monster killing machine predators
No , it has no choice on how its born . In some case ,in human reproductive cycles , mothers die giving birth to babys . Would you say those babys are evil ? . Dont forget no one choose why ,where ,who to and how they are born . I love big chap
@saifullahhabid1133 At least human women have a chance at survival, a xenomorph birth is a guaranteed fatality. THe Xenomorph are vile and destructive creatures.
@@saifullahhabid1133it can be assumed that the Queen knows something has to die to give birth to a xenomorph. Do parents anticipate the death of the mother when trying to conceive? Probably not. If a father could magically see into the future, and knew that his spouse would die giving birth, and decided to carry through with the process anyway, would we not call him a murderer?
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I've always been intrigued by one of the original ending ideas of how the Alien kills Ripley and takes on the voice of Capt. Dallas as it sends out an s.o.s. in hopes it will be picked up by more prey.
That's actually a brilliant ending. But not exactly realistic for such creature. I mean... It would be too damn lethal in that way and moreover if it can send out a message, then why it can't just man and fly the ship towards Earth or some colonies? 😑
I've always liked the idea of that ending, it would have been chilling to watch, making the Xeno a significantly greater threat to humanity, and fooling both the crew and the audience alike. It's not just a dangerous 'animal' now, but a highly sentient/sapient being that could knock humanity down the food chain, like I said, it would have been quite a chilling ending, but sadly it would also mean the death of Ripley and never seeing her epic, if utterly tragic, story.
From when he "hatched" from Kane, he was threatened. Parker pulled a knife on him, then he had Ripley, Lambert, Parker, Brett, Dallas and Ash following him as a baby in unfamiliar surroundings with detection devices and electrified cattle prods. Then he grows up, then Dallas goes after him with a flamethrower. The remaining crew then debate on blowing him out of an airlock. He comes to say hello to Lambert, and Parker bashes him with a flamethrower. Big Chap decides "ooh that place looks cosy" and hides in the Narcissus, and snuggles in for a nap or to die. Ripley comes in with Jones, Mr Xeno has a big stretch while sleeping, Ripley blasts him with gas to wake him up, shoots him with an harpoon gun, locks him out, then fries him with a plasma engine. Alien had a rough time. The only characters who never gave him a bad time were Jones and Ash. I think he knocked Jones about in his cat carrier was because Xeno was upset that his new human friends weren't exactly welcoming You got to ask yourself though, would you be willing to go face to face unarmed with the Alien in an attempt to communicate? He is an intelligent creature though, and some of his behaviour shows that he's actually curious. The way he looks at Lambert shows that. She's unarmed, fearful, and he doesn't threaten her immediately. As you say it's only when the overtly aggressive Parker attacks him, the Alien's mindset changes. If he'd met Lambert alone, as she was in the scene, would he have attacked? He might have thought "non hostile, no threat" and simply walked off, or even tried to communicate via sign language or something similar. He raised his tail like a finger towards her and simply sat on the floor and watched her working. I think he's just curious, and despite his birth being violent, unless he's provoked with violence, I just think he'd be happy to hide away and do his own thing. I think he just happened to bump into Parker and Lambert. I always think that when he points his tail towards Lambert, he's not displaying aggressive behavior, it's curiosity. It's as though he's saying "keep going, just do that thing, it's interesting. I'll sit here and watch" as soon as he's blindsided by Parker, he changes. It's actually an amazing scene, as the Alien even looks up at Lambert, like a kid watching his dad fixing the car. If Lambert had struggled with the oxygen cylinders, would the Alien have helped her? It'd be interesting to hear an actual psychologist discussing the Alien mindset in depth. The Alien might have been frightened, alone, away from his hive, strange surroundings, these biological beings holding things that hurt him, his fight or flight responses might have been off the chart. He never forced Kane to look into the egg, he never asked to be born in such surroundings with people being angry and violent towards him as a baby. Jones wasn't a threat so he could go into the claw room unchallenged. It wasn't that he was too small for cocooning, Jones just wasn't a threat. The Alien looks as he does because that is just how he is. Yes he's scary, but it's just how he's designed. A spider is creepy, with long legs and eight eyes, but he'll keep flies and other bugs off your food, no toxic chemicals used in bug spray, just his instincts. It's a symbiotic relationship. A spider only asks for a warm place to rest, he'll stay out of your way, and he'll keep your food and home bug free. Could the Alien follow that rule too?
@@mistermatix8241 The alien has some insect/spider-like attributes but it’s entirely different.As an individual it has an intelligence way beyond individual insects and it actively hunts any other creature in its vicinity. Leaving it alone or not will result in you being hunted,but it’s not mindless there’s purpose behind it. Looking at the expanded alien universe it also has a collective intelligence.
@@redpillnibbler4423 Yeah you're right. I certainly would not go face to face with the Xenomorph, but I was looking at the threat/no threat angle, but as you say the creature is a born hunter and is instinctive. It's cool how this channel is a melting (by acid?) pot of ideas and theories about our favourite acid blooded, banana headed friends and their universe.
Also interesting that the shuttle is where Dallas chooses to chill at the end of the day. I remember a meme with that scene of the ALIEN inspecting Jones in the cat box. The ALIEN is asking "Where can I find some peace?" Jones responds "I know a nice spot in the shuttle."
I never considered the Big Chap to be "innocent", unless you consider it to be just an animal following it's nature. I always thought the notion of it having a very limited lifespan as something that was completely unexplored in the film. It just didn't comport with the theme of the final cut of the film, and as you said, every other movie in the series kind of blew that idea apart. The creature is CLEARLY hostile from it's very first phase of the ovamorph. Like many predatory species, it capitalizes on it's prey's curiosity. I think the question is interesting in the context of the first film, though. Especially when intelligence is a consideration. I seem to recall a potential ending that nearly had the Big Chap killing Ripley on the life boat, and mimicking her voice for the final log entry. If the creature is intelligent, then the idea of it being an innocent is void. If, however, it is just an animal, then it is only doing as it's natural instinct presupposes... Or there is option "C"; the Big Chap IS the biological weapon it was suggested to be, and is nothing more than a crued, and bloody slow firing bomb blowing up in the faces of it's creators victims.
I like this theory, and I do find it immensely disappointing that all subsequent alien movies make the xenomorph just ruthlessly bloodthirsty for no given reason. It doesn't eat them, it's not impregnating them like the chestburster. It's just hunting them for the sake of making things die, even when it is inconvenient or dangerous to it's own survival. Like they mixed up the Xenomorph with the Predator.
I think Brett had a weapon; also, it DIDN'T kill him! It simply 'punched' him with its secondary jaw and dragged him into the vents. He was still very alive as he was being dragged too, as if the Alien was trying to say 'see? I don't want to kill anyone. Just let me by, please.' As for Lambert's death, Chap may have thought she betrayed him, luring him out with curiosity so Parker could kill him.
To be fair. That can be just territorial fights. Even same species males fight each other over territory and females. I am sure it also noticed that it is alone and that is a problem for a drone. Perhaps it thought that its hive was destroyed by you. They always have a hive. They are not loners like tigers.
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I have always looked at the Alien, Xenomorph, Big Chap as running on instinct... If we take the original movies as a base, including Aliens... The Xenomorph is a creature of unknown origin ... It wasn't native to LV-426... And what happens when you take a species from its natural environment and place it somewhere it doe snot belong? CHAOS! I do believe that this theory has more merit than many may accept... Even in Aliens, The xenomorphs are doing what they woudl normally do, Build a Hive Breed, Feed... If as was suggested by the Dark Horse Comics both seriously and not so seriously... (There was a great strip where an Alien Species sought out Face hugger Eggs deliberately, One gets attacked by a Face hugger and HE EATS IT! The strip ended with them selling Facehugger eggs like Candy!) Then they probably had some kind of "environment" they thrived in or Natural Predators that stopped them becoming an issue... A Lion can be a very dangerous creature ... We know that! But its NOT inherently evil, It is just doing what it has to to survive!
That’s if the Xenomorph is natural. With all of the movies and such. There’s more evidence to that they are a bio weapon. Bio weapons don’t have natural predators. Considering that everything the Xeno does in movies facilitates its purpose to eliminate all potential life of a certain mass. Not to mention that these things have the durability of the strongest of extremophiles. In that it can live in the void of space for at least twenty years. What I am saying is natural evolved lifeforms have key exploitable flaws because they didn’t have to adapt for that particular situation. The xenomorph has abilities that allow it live if not thrive in any and every hostile environment including the desolate dangerous barren environment of space. You are right though in the respects that the alien is following its instincts. The thing is, it’s always in its natural environment as it adapts better to the environment than even the native life forms of that environment by taking the traits of its host. As well as being adapted to environments beyond even the host species capabilities. The alien is a biological WMD. The engineer ship was a bomber. With a very nasty payload.
@@DaddyHensei In the movies - Yes... That is what Ridley Scott has ran with, and they are the primary canon. In the comics however which are now Non-Canon, They were shown to have Natural Predators and some "Unnatural" - One Alien Species in a "What if... " Scenario were seen exploring a planet and one gets attacked by a Facehugger, Which he promptly eats... He then starts a stall selling Xenomorph Eggs. Also, the comics have depicted the Xeno's actually having their own Home world, and even evolving into warring factions - Like Black and Red ants... But the movies are the primary canon... Much as I woudl like to ignore many of them! (The AVP Movies were a bloody mess, And its annoying the comics are no longer canon given Aline Vs Predator stole most of its story from the comics!!! The Scene where they Predator marks the Survivor with the Alien Blood... YEAH, RIPPED DIRECTLY FROM THE COMICS! EVEN THE BLOODY SYMBOL WAS AN EXACT COPY FROM THE DARK HORSE COMIC!!! Which gets even more annoying when you find out the comic WAS FAR BETTER THAN THE MOVIE THAT RIPPED IT OFF! They should have just made a copy of the comic... It had a better story, better flow, and they pinched all its best ideas anyway! I am not a fan of the Bio-Weapon arc... I think cause its a bit "Played out" - But it is canon... I prefer the idea they are Natural as its a warning to US that we need to stop messing with shit... ... Much like THE THING, Fan Theories say that's a Bio-Weapon... And that to me is BORING! We have seen Alien Invaders over and over again... Why couldn't it be what it appears to be... A Being not of our planet, stranded their by mistake... And wanting to get out of Dodge!! In The case of THE THING, It makes the story way more compelling as then its not just the "Heroes" who are afraid and paranoid but the creature itself... With the Alien Franchise, The idea we might come across something that is purely instinctual... Thats FRIGHTENING! Far more frightening than a Bio Weapon...
I honestly hadn’t thought about this theory much, but it really does make a lot of sense. Kind of sad he was waiting to die at the end basically and had to deal with Ripley lol. I think there are some parallels to the cat in the film in the aliens nature. It is curious, but can also be deadly if need be. It felt like the film was kind of pointing to that with the way they showed the cat wasn’t too bothered about the alien also that the alien didn’t bother it either.
Agreed, it really felt like they kept showing the cat at crucial moments to emphasise that the alien is like a cat - it's an animal, it has instincts, it gets scared, it lashes out when it feels threatened. Put a cat in a scary place and corner it, it will scratch you. But the humans tolerate it because they know a cat cannot kill them. The alien is viewed differently because even if its behaviour is the same, it CAN kill.
In 1987's Predator, the creature is actively hunting down Dutch' group and picking them up one by one, even going so far as sneaking right under their noses while they slept to claim a corpse because he wanted the trophy that badly. In Alien, the creature is only seen when they stumble upon it. When it kills Lambert and Parker it looks more like it just happened to walk up to them rather than dropping on top of them as if it knew they were always there.
As far as the crew "rescuing" aliens, according to the book, that would have been very difficult. Once they got back into space and the alien popped out, and they started hunting it, they talked about only having a week of life support to find and get rid of it. And limited food. The company hadn't planned on long awake time while not on their normal jobs.
And Aliens was all Ripley's fault. She could of kept quiet and just say it was a malfunction that caused the ship to blow up. Never mentioning the alien. No order to check out the crash site from Burke :)
It's just a couple hundred kilometers away from the colony. As they spread out - they would inevitably stumble upon it without Carter Burke asking them to check out the coordinates. But then again, the ship was totaled by an earthquake in the interim between movies that knocked out the power(unless you count Alien: Isolation as canon, where the beacon was disabled), so it's possible that the eggs would be dead by the time they actually found it on their own in a few more decades.
@Jr2728 Reports that were purposefully stuffed where light don't shine and buried underneath a mountain of red-tape, never to be found again, the moment the Nostromo went MIA. All so the people who signed off on the orders could weasel out of legal trouble of being responsible for loss of cargo, hardware and life. It's no coincidence that despite an outpost sprouting on the planet due to it's proximity to the shipping lane, no one ever decided to investigate until Ripley popped out the woodwork and started screaming from the rooftops about "ALIENS"
I don’t believe that tactic would have worked. I’ve always believed that the crew of the Nostromo was picked distinctly for the mission of acquiring a viable specimen of this creature. The company even went so far as to place a synthetic onboard to ensure that the specimen was acquired. The company at the time knew the alien ship was on LV-426. Now what I think happened was that time passed and the situation was forgotten/buried and the company people who initiated the Nostromo mission died off. When Ripley was found almost 60 years later and testified about what happened Burke sent the message that led to LV-426 being infected and overrun. And Burke was ultimately responsible for what happened because he didn’t tell the colonists about the dangers. He could have sent a professional team to handle the situation, but he was concerned about exclusive rights to what was found. And I believe the colonists would have found that ship eventually anyway. A colony of families should never have been put on that planet in the first place, which bolsters my idea that the secret Nostromo plot was forgotten or buried. I know corporations are cold, but I don’t think they would have done that if they had known what was on that planet. It’s either that the situation was forgotten/buried or its a huge plot hole….
There are a couple of arguments In defence of Kane. First of all, I think he and the others really weren't expecting to find anything alive on the ship. It looked dead and the only crew member they found was long dead. Kane was expecting to find stuff rather than anything alive. What he did find look as much like plant pods as they did animal. For all he knew, this could be the aliens version of a hydroponics bay. For the egg itself, most creatures new born, hatched or whatever this was are normally helpless and require assistance and feeding from a parent. He wasn't expecting it to go off like a jack-in-a-box. Finally Kane was wearing an environment suit. This was designed for very harsh conditions and LV426 was deep cold with CO2 crystals in the air and high winds with abrading dust fragments. It was a suit designed to take some punishment and still protect its wearer. The face-hugger should have just bounced off, but it was equipped with something that could burn through even his heavily shielded face plate. Kane was taking a risk, but it was a calculated risk that he was fairly confident about. Of course, this is all just stuff that has bounced around in my head for years. Take as nonsense if you like.
Always thought that from its perspective its born into a strange world where every other thing you encounter is either running from you or trying to kill you. Like imagine how a human would be in its situation. Very dangerous and intelligent, resilient, resourceful, scared into a kill or be killed reality.
I once read an essay entitled "The Xenomorph and The Biological Imperative" which brought up precisely these points. In fact, it expanded on them to include and biologically reconcile the behavior of the xenomorphs throughout the entire franchise. Now, making allowances for narrative needs and the like, through all of its iterations, the xenomorphs and their queen behaved in a manner consistent with the principles of survival, not through malice or evil acts, but survival through sheer hostility, aggression, and even anger. The queen's pursuit of Ripley and Newt (for instance) up through the elevator at Hadley's Hope was not driven by a thirst for vengeance (or at least not entirely) but recognizing that the environment was becoming untenable, she (the queen) needed to try and escape. The essay went point-by-point through all of the movies through "Alien: Prometheus", and I felt definitely made its argument well.
To me the crux of the film is Ash’s speech. Possibly the best ever speech on any suspense movie: It’s like you know there are bad news coming from the gurgly mouth of the only being that could know anything about the nemesis we are facing and each word it utters feels like a slow death sentence confirming our worst fears to the point even of surpassing them to a degree never heard before or after in cinema: “You can’t….Perfect organism… Its structural perfection is only matched by its hostility”. Mouths agape, from the innards of the screen to the last row of the theater. It feels like someone died. Then comes the “you admire it” line and Ash proceeds to explain in a way that brings us back from reptile mode to reboot our central nervous systems back to a somewhat thinking mind. It isn’t innocent, it isn’t guilty, it is a force of a nature we didn’t dream of but existed in our darkly pulsating fears. Nature isn’t nature anymore. This thing, vaguely and twistedly humanoid has wiped out that concept. What we know is that it’s either it or us. Because it won’t stop killing or worse and we won’t stop running.
This theory has one huge problem. It's hard to imagine a creature whose life cycle depends on a death of another species, to be peaceful by nature. Parasitoid wasp that lays its eggs in caterpillars won't evolve to ask a caterpillar politely for a favor.
@@GDeNofaThat's not being realistic, though. It's a series. Especially if you're speculating on a potential future story, which would, by necessity, have to take other events into account, too.
I read a similar idea put forth from the creature in 'The Thing'. As to the Alien getting sustenance, there was a passage in the novelization when the crew first try and use flamethrowers on it, they almost corner it in a storage room, containing food for the crew. It escapes through an air vent just before Dallas incinerates the room. I laughed at the name 'Big Chap', as I bought a large figure with that same name.
Honestly, I've looked at it through this lens before. In the context of the first Alien it's no more evil than "Bruce" in Jaws or, arguably the Grim Reaper in Greek myth. Each only does as it is inclined to do or compelled so by outside influence. It's only when people place themselves directly in harms way that things go sideways. Seek death, you'll find it. Go into the ocean after a Great White Shark, you'll be turned into chum. Chase an unknown organism all around a claustrophobic environment and you'll provoke it into attacking.
Given the sexual undertones of the movie, I have had the thought that the alien had a sexual attraction to the females. It reacted more slowly to the females as opposed to the males. It attacked/killed the males instantly; whereas, it was more intrigued by Ripley and Lambert. I often wondered if it viewed the females as potential mates.
If Lambert and Kane were intimate (I think It's mentioned in a deleted scene or I read it somewhere) you could argue that the Alien 'remembers' Lambert and tries to 'reenact' that intimacy. Makes the scene more dark and disturbing. 👍✌️
There is no such thing as one species. Well. Humans now I guess could make their own oxygen. But before the industrial revolution we required plants to make it for us. And still do need them in the fourth industrial revolution. It is a symbiotic relationship. So funny thing is: No plants means no humans or anything else that needs oxygen. And plants even need our exhaled CO2. Though there may be other CO2 sources. We need them. They do not need us. The Xenomorph using us as an encubation chamber and food source also actually can even adobt non sexually a DNA trait like seen with a Predalian. So any superior genetic trait of any species the Xenomorph can adopt. Funny thing is though that they only morph within the animal kingdom and never into a sapiens. The Goauld of the Stargate universe had genetic memory. I guess humans are just crap then. Because we do not have a genetic memory. Hence Aliens 3 scientists forcing a merger with that human female.
It's an interesting theory but... Somehow it reminds me of the words said by Carter Burke. "It's a new species and we have no rights to wipe them out"... 😅 After these creatures have wiped out an entire colony and a group of Colonial Marines.
I once tackled this idea by writing a small fan fic from the point of view of the face hugger. That it was scared but ultimately concerned for kane. As it could tell he couldn't breath in the initial atmosphere after it woke up. It then saw how kane had fainted due to lack of oxygen and assumed he had fallen into some kind of coma and didn't want to leave him alone hence why it didn't let them remove it from lanes face. It proceded to try and comfort kane with all these different chemicals to help kane relax and recover. Growing ever closer to this creature it couldn't understand until it eventually wanted to leave a bit of itself with kane to remember it by before it left and finally died itself. Horrifying from our experience. An act of love and compassion from the face hugger.
I always noticed how slow the big chap is at the end, it looked a bit fragile and vulnerable. It really makes the creature more interesting and realistic, even more alien in nature and not just a stereotypical monster. Thank you for the analysis
In an unused script, the crew actually communicate with the alien and they establish a truce The alien helps them fix their ship and the crew agrees to drop the alien at the nearest habitable moon. Along the way, the alien and Parker become pals.
This is up there with the Darth Jar Jar theory. It sounds ridiculous when you first hear it, but when you look at the evidence, it doesn't sound all that far fetched.
I think it improves the message of corporate abuse. Forcing employees to endanger themselves by fucking around with a critter that just wants to be left alone, having control over society and especially their employee's perception of the world, keeping people cruel and selfish and easy to control. Their job, the ship they're vulnerable to, is the real horror, Big Chap is a convenient scapegoat. Hell, maybe that was all intentional, and later movies retconned that. There's certainly less focus on how fucked up corporations are, so I'd believe it.
4:20 at the very beginning of Alien, the whole crew proclaims that they want more money and that they don't get paid for detours. Looking in a hole to see if there's anything valuable in it to make everyone, including himself, happier is thus not an absurd decision.
p.s. the Aliens would have gotten them anyway, regardless of the egg scene. The capitalistic (money is good for you, so you know your Caste) Cooperation, Mother, Synth et al would have made that certain.
The situation with Brett is too ambiguous to be considered a point for the xenomorphs "innocence". Brett was simply looking Jones, and the xenomorph took its sweet time pursuing and relishing in Brett's fear before killing him. Animals who act in self-defense mainly stand their ground or only pursue until it scares off the predator. If it perceived Brett was a threat to be dealt with the way it did, then its putting itself on the same level as the Nostromo crew who are trying to get rid of it for the same reason. But what I think throws a wrench into the theory is the aftermath with Lambert and Parker. When the xenomorph appeared, Lambert was fully clothed. But when Ripley returns to find them dead, Lambert's feet and legs are bare, implying the xenomorph stripped her and did a big no-no to her. Given the monster's clearly sexual design and Ridley Scott's commentary of using sex for horror, if this is true then this can't be considered self-defense due to how disproportionate it is, suggesting that there's a more malicious nature to the creature.
I reckon Kane was in on Special Order 937, and that's the reason he seemed so eager to go down and investigate. He always struck me as being very non-chalant with the crew about the situation, until his death.
Interesting take but ultimately it reduces the creature to mere animal status as some in the comments say, I have to agree I'm afraid. That happened with James Cameron's take on the theme with Aliens but I suppose you could argue that could possibly be a genetic tampering offshoot or similar and that admittedly is certainly compelling. As for Giger's original Beast, I think it should stay in the pages of the transhumanist Necronomicon iconography as the Master himself portrayed it. Massively erotic, sadistic, corrupted human aspects emeshed with industrial design (which H.R.G. excelled in) qualities and adult spiritual angst. Not being snobbish just acknowledging the original thematic values, which imo are much more scary and alluring. I'm hoping Noah Hawley's series will somehow incorporate Giger's imagery and mindscape aspect together with the corporate evil of the acquisition of the Alien. This is a fantastic channel, sincere thanks for all you do for the fans.
I've heard someone say once that if you had a cinema full of xenomorphs then they'd think they're watching Die Hard.
I said that many times. 😂
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@@YourBoyWang Alone on a ship. With 7 humans.
Dallas: we’re gonna search every inch until that thing is dead!
In space, no one can hear you scream!
Ash: I admire its purity.
Brent: This should sting the little bastard!
Alien: graaaaasahhhhh
insert actions scenes
Parker: I’m for killing that Damm thing right now!
Alien: Yippie Ky Yah
Explosions
A L I E N
‘Now i have an exoskeleton.ho ho ho’
Brilliant ❤
There is no guilt or innocence in the nature of the xenomorph, there is only survival.
And protect the younglings
A survivor… unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality…
@@qcdoomqc You admire it?
I admire its purity
Somebody knows their Dark Horse comics…
A big theme in this franchise is "F*ck around and find out."
That's the theme of every one man army action movie
It’s the Wayland-Yutani company motto
I heard a review that said a big theme of this movie is sexual violations and everything is designed around it, the chest bursting, the face hugger putting the tube down your rthroat, ash putting the magazine in ripleys mouth, the alien having a phallic mini mouth to penetrate skulls with, the grabbing of Disposable woman #2s pants from underneath with the tentacle thing. When I was told that the director INTENTIONALLY did all this I got creeped out about the director. Not the movie.
Alien Romulus crew: We want a better life!
Sole survivor: **sigh** Well shit!
Bruh, ya have no idea how accurate that is 😂
To a canary, a cat is a monster. We are just used to being the cat.
Jurassic world!
True. We're the scariest animal we know of in the real world, so much so that we make movies fantasizing about what it would be like if we weren't for entertainment because we're so dominant.
That's exactly it. If you're the cockroach, the emerald wasp is nothing short of a hideous mosnster.
For what is worth, in my opinion xenomorphs are as moral as great white sharks or earthquakes.
@X The movie was always pretty ambigious about the nature of the Xenomorph though. LIke if it was really just a very dangerous predator of some kind. Or if it really had an actual kind of intelligence, on the level of a human maybe even greater in some sense. Like it wasn't just killing the crew, but actually toying with them. Maybe it attempted even to rape Lambert. We will probably never know for sure ...
The book, based on the script, even left the question open what ever if Ash tried to communicate with the creature and if he was even ... succesfull in his attempt. In the book, I believe, he was asked by Ripley or Parker and Ash said he wants to take that with him in to his grave.
OK, Dr. Wu…
Every time someone brings up this theory I imagine Ripley breaking down a door here's Johnny style while big chap screams for his life lol
😂😂😂
Funny scene. 😅
How much time past from chest burst to self destruction? Was the poor lil fella even a day old? 👶
@@BettyWhiteTheVibratorSlayer nope.
I mean Ripley in Aliens said that the xenomorph was able to wipe out her whole crew in less than 48 hours.
Reading your comment put the movie in my head but with all roles reversed:
Xenomorphs sat at the table eating , lots of banter is in the air, suddenly Big Chap begins choking, his crew try to help and restrain him * Ripleys head bursts from the chest of Big Chap *
Parker: "Are we the baddies?"
Brett: "Right."
Is that all you say Brett?
@@BigHeadClan Right.
Parker: "We gotta talk about this direction situation. Left or right man?"
Brett: "Right, right, right."
Parker: "(blast steam) But that's just a left goddammit!"
Brett: "Right."
Can we discuss the baddie situation here?
Right
I never thought of the Xeno as being good or evil. I always thought of the situation along the lines of it was him or the crew that was going to survive. The Alien was doing what it was instinctually born to do. The crew had no idea what this creature was or what it was capable of and so they felt threatened. The REAL bad guy was the company who set the crew up and put everyone including the Alien in a bad situation. The crew was expendable and the company put Ash on board to prove it.
Couldn't have said it better. Especially at the very end when it hides in the escape shuttle it looks like a spider who crawls inside a very tiny space to hide or simply to be left alone (I think in the script it was dying). Maybe the atmosphere of the space ship wasn't meant for it and it only could survive for a certain period. I want this aspect its motives to remain a mystery though...
It's like any predator in the real world. They aren't acting out of malice. They're only acting out of a survival instinct
@@xenomorphloverthe Xeno knew about the self destruct..and it would be it's best chance of survival let Ripley jettison the escape ship and have a tasty snack for the trip .
The Alien just…IS with no guilt or innocence. It’s an amoral predator. Ash was a preprogrammed android. Kane on the other hand was guilty as f*ck for being an overly inquisitive dumbass.
@@DarrenMoore-le6pg asshole?? Could you elaborate? He was simply too curious if that's what you mean.
You admire its purity.
OK Vulpes
It is the perfect organism.
@chuckhoyle1211 Peter walls "The Things" was from the Thing's perspective very similar to this videos concept.
@@chuckhoyle1211I could never understand why it was called perfect. People seem to have a low benchmark for what constitutes perfection.
What even makes it perfect?
@@Aquascape_Dreaming That was how Ash described it.
"Look! We found a literal one way gate into hell itself!"
Kane: We must go on!
Event Horizon!
@@Canalusthat scared the hell (no pun intended) out of me as a teen...
No, that’s a Lucio Fulci movie…
Planet of the Vampires!
Should have gone back to the old freezerino’s
The xeno checking the crew out at birth shows survival skills beyond anything else.
It showed intelligence which made it more frightening.
They were the first living beings it saw maybe the big chap thought they were it's parents
@@samanthapatrick4345 lol, mama!
@@samanthapatrick4345honestly that’s kinda cute 🥺
They should have picked it up and raised it as one of their own.
If playing Alien: Isolation in VR has tought me anything, it's that the Xenomorph is NOT the good guy! 😂 Great video
Lol definitely
nto a good guy but an animal not evil but in need to survive
One of the few games that sent shivers through my body. The first time you see it in VR holy shite! Probably the most memorable video game memory I have. That and when my care package drop landed on 3 people.
@goobytron2888 yea its the scariest vr game that I've played and I've played alot of them. ; )
It didn't teach you how to spell "taught".
Plot twist: The chest burster ran into Jonesy, after escaping being confined inside Kane, and befriended him immediately. Seeing Ripley, Parker, and Brett chase and trap Jonesy and Jonesy desperately fight his way away from them, the alien decides to intervene and save Jonesy when Brett has him cornered.
There was a Reddit post about a decade ago that had this same theory.
I like this theory
Ignoring the explanation that a cat is an unsuitable host, this theory is backed up by the scene where the alien examines Jonesy curiously and leaves him alone. The only difference in the extended scene is the alien shoving the cage out of the way.
The alien only atacks humans for reproducing or self defense in the movies ( and in the alien 4 for revenge)
The problem with just leaving the alien alone is it's a ticking time bomb due to the acidic blood. If it dies or even just gets injured on something, acid could leak out, breach the hull, and destroy the whole ship. This is why it's such a potentially valuable bio weapon in space.
Ah, but we know from Bishop's studies that the blood neutralises completely upon the creature's death.
Granted, the crew of the Nostromo didn't know that.
Going into cryo would be an immense gamble. They know very little about it, what little they've learned is that it can dissolve metal even if only through injury, and there's no way to assess what incidental damage can be caused to the Nostromo by leaving an unchecked ET organism running around. Not to mention a flagrant disregard for quarantine procedure and the ethics of possibly door dashing alien pathogens to Earth. 0/10 do NOT recommend😂
This is ignoring the fact that it is ultimately looking to take the crew and turn them into eggs.
@@nutyyyy yeah wouldve broken one of those cyrotubes and taken one of them
Except that in the original film, the alien didn't have acid blood. Only the 'facehugger' had it. I am not counting the deleted scene that does give the adult acidic blood.
When Ripley shoots the alien with the harpoon gun, it is shown as having white blood, like Ash's. This is meant to get the audience thinking if it was an animal or a machine like Ash, or something in between, of which is a common theme of H.R. Giger's work. Additionally, the blood did not melt through the harpoon cable, causing it to be pulled towards the shuttle.
There's hints that the Alien had absorbed memories from Kane (perhaps other victims) and used this knowledge to outsmart the crew. When it heard the klaxon from the self-destruct, it knew to go there for refuge, but perhaps didn't know enough to operate the ship, especially being so near the end of its life and energy.
Interesting.
How was it close to end of life
*DNA REFLEX*
@@Bornst3ll3r
The initial idea for the alien was that it had a short life span
Later movies would drop that part entirely
The Xeno takes traits from its host via horizontal gene transfer, which allows it to be perfectly adapted to the hosts’ environment at birth. While that gene transfer can include instincts (automatic neural responses to environmental stimuli) complex memories would be a stretch.
At best, I think the instinct to run from loud noises (thus in the direction of where the other humans are going) might transfer over.
*Nostromo crew panicking and plotting to kill the xenomorph *
Big Chap: Keep it down up there!! I'm tryin to get some sleep!!!
Ash: I may be paranoid, but i'm certainly not an android
The only person Big Chap really attacked unprovoked is Lambert. It seems to stalk her before it attacked, but everyone else invaded its space, or acted aggressively towards it. It also left the cat alone. And even initially ignored Ripley in the escape ship, until again, it was provoked.
Because it was born from Kane and Kane and Lambert were sleeping together. I think it has some residual twisted attraction to Lambert.
It decks the cat tho
This
Maybe he found her annoying 😅
It left the cat alone because live meat doesn't expire.
I think the killing of Bret is what makes me think it wasn't defensive
He'd be the exception in this model due to it needing to reproduce, right? Just a critter doing what critters do. An interesting theory that I'm gonna have to chew on.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched the first but the argument could also be made that the Alien was watching him and if memory serves correctly, Brett had a pipe or rod. It’s only after he lowers his defense that the Alien ambushed him, the Alien also never attacks Jonesy who showed the Alien no aggression other than defensive posturing which the Alien clearly understood.
Brett: Right.
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I'm interested in your line of thinking. Please develop it a little more.
If Brett has a pipe (or whatever long object) and is holding it defensively why would the alien then attack after Brett lowers Brett's defense? Brett goes from a defensive position to a neutral position. Isn't a neutral position less threatening? Animals such as dogs get aggressive around defensive posturing but relax when other animals relax. Seeings as the xenomorph doesn't attack the cat who is in a defensive posture... what gives?
I'm interested in you flushing out this scene.
@@the_golden_bough8541if you gona take out a possible dangeroes criter you dont do it when it is in a defencive position, you go for the atack when it most vulnereble ( when you gona kill a fly you do it when shes about to land). If you atack a dog/ wolf/ boar/lion when hes showing his theeth/claws you gona get mauled but if you atack while his defence is down he is gona die before he can maw you
Dr. Alan Grant (Jurassic Park): "They are no monsters, just animals fighting to survive." This may be one reason the Xenomorph is so loved an popular...
There's often something deeper in these stories:
Frankenstein's Monster wasn't the real monster, Frankenstein was. He tampered in God's domain by creating life.
King Kong was innocent. He was brought to N.Y. in chains for the folly of man, all in their pursuit of fame and fortune. But it escaped, destroying the city and killing innocent lives.
The mayor in Jaws was the true villain. He knew of the rouge shark, but the "summer dollars" were just too important to close the beaches.
The company on Earth wanted the alien for it's weapons division. They even added an android to the crew to protect the alien (without their knowledge). The crew was "expendable." Kane acted irresponsible, but he did pay a big price for it. The alien was acting on it's survival instincts, but was the crew.
Same for Jurassic Park
Kane didn’t act irresponsibly in my opinion.
Yep, we value things which are materialistic, when you stop valuing these things you are more connected to the earth and love
By the same logic the nazis were not evil. They saw the extinction of other races as the only way for the german race to survive. Lucifer fought a war against Yaweh as he saw him as an oppressor. Practically every one in history, from Vlad Tepez to the Kmer Rouge, IS or Mussolini can be viewed as only trying to survive or not be oppressed. But it will not be how most people will agree on the evil nature of men or beasts.
As for King Kong, he was far from innocent. The locals sacrificed a woman to him every full moon. Our heroine only survived because she charmed Kong in a way the previous women had not. I say good riddance to him, and I cheer for the humans in those movies.
So David is the monster then
"Alien" did for sci-fi/horror in 1979 what "Pulp Fiction"did for crime drama in the 90s. Even if you don't like either of those movies, their actors, their directors - they definitely forced a change in film making and consumption.
Don't you mean what The Godfather did for mob movies? Kubrick had already done the heist gone wrong movie in the 50's.
@@SmartCookie2022 sure, the godfather redefined crime movies. I'm not suggesting that the movies I mentioned are the only examples, or that sea-changes in film only occur singularly.
Jones was behind it all.
Bad kitty
@@PoeInTheDitchgreat actor though, had us all fooled
@@SummerYeti I thought Jones' face during Bret's death was a dead giveaway 😼
@@PoeInTheDitchthe hints are subtle, but once you see it.....
My God...
It was right in front of us the entire time....
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You woulda made a great defense lawyer, Derek.
"They ASKED to get bit,
So you MUST acquit!!"
Derek Cochrane over here...
lol nice one
This should have more likes
Kane was one of the main reasons they all died, however so was Dallas. A proper captain wouldn't ket his XO set the pace the way he lets Kane. In the novelisation Dallas was a competent enough captain but a bit of a dead ender, always looking at getting by with the minimal amount of effort. We certainly see that here.
Yeah, even after Kane's overenthusiasm got him face-hugged, Dallas still should've followed quarantine procedures.
As Ripley TOLD him in no uncertain terms! But he pulled rank.
I really like this theory. The allure of the initial film, for me, is in great part, that the xenomorph is not a monster. It's alien biology, well thought out, that interacts with the human (and human nature). The following films did not use this aspect very much. They used the xenomorph as a monster. Closest to using the alien biology as the main theme were the Ridley Scott prequels, but they also, sadly, concentrated on (creating) alien mythology, which was problematic.
I wouldn't call the alien innocent, but I've never thought of it as strictly a villain either. It's like if a tiger was loose on a ship; it's just an animal doing what it does to survive. It's still scary as heck and you'd want to stop it, but it's not really evil.
Big Chap did nothing wrong, he's a good boi.
The goodest boi. He just wanted to give Dallas a hug.
He’s French, what can you expect
Chap wanna tweat a yummy treatise come have some lambert
@@PoeInTheDitch he was turning his life around, he was gonna go to college 😔
He was goin to schooo n sheet
I’ve always thought about how sad this movie would be in the context that he felt so bad about killing Kane that he tried to hide for the rest of the movie
Makes sense 😆
Am IF it seemed to be intentionally trying to avoid the crew all movie. Even as a full grown classic Drone... this woulda been one for the alien... an maybe even a lil funny at times. Seeing the odd ways it'd try to give people the slip instead of knocking them off
Wrecked
That’s just silly.
One of my all time favorite flicks and this theory never occurred to me. Probably watched Alien at least 100 times including seeing it with my Mom opening weekend in 79. She was a champ for all the horror movies I dragged her to. Will watch it this weekend and take the innocuous Star Beast's side and enjoy it from a whole different perspective. Thanks for a great vid.
In Kane's defence: He couldn't have known that these were eggs. They had the same biomechanical look as everything else on that ship. The eggs could have been food containers, energy cells, computer servers, all sorts of stuff....
Uhh, he actually describes them as “eggs of some sort” and uses his flashlight to see that there was something living in them
Kane is stupid and greedy but in his defense the other films characters covenant and prometheus they where isolated away from help while Kane had 2 team members with him and Kane had old seen one fossilised alien corpse from 1000 of years ago who could have died from anything where as both prometheus and covenant character had seen piles of bodies clearly killed in violent ways and yet still they both threw caution to the wind on the scale of stupid choices Kane was the least stupid of the three
Kane doesn’t need defending,his actions were entirely logical and believable considering the circumstances.
They look like eggs to me. What's more, they look like evil eggs, all dark and slimy and smokey.
@@redpillnibbler4423kanes actions where incredibly reckless regardless of him recognising them as eggs or not. That right there is a biological contamination and (as far as we are aware) first contact. the last thing you do is mess with it. Even just walking into the egg chamber after clearly stating they seem like eggs of some kind. What if the mother was still present and very defensive of her nest? He doesn't need to know what a xenomorph is, to draw similarities to bears or birds. he knows its biological so you dont even remotely go near it just because of a contamination risk. thats literally the first thing you do if you see any of this. you get the hell out of there immediately just for that alone. they shouldn't even have been near the suspected alien ship the second it was recognised as non-human. the amount of biological and non biological compounds that could potentially harm the crew, or anyone back home when they come back, is endless.
the only person who ever acted even remotely smart was Ripley. everyone else was moronic. The only way you could spin this to be logical is if you see them all as lower economic class work grunts and treat their personal mentak horizon accordingly. i know some beer chugging contract workers in some fields ive worked with would absolutely fuck with it, not for an intelligent decisions sake though
One problem that goes against the big chap being innocent theory is the derelict ship. Why would another species have a cargo hold full of friendly tree hugging type creatures?
Exactly. Especially when we learn in Prometheus that the Xenomorphs were actually made by the Engineers specifically to be used as a bio-weapon. And even before Prometheus, Ridley Scott said he always envisioned that ship as being a bomber of sorts, ready to drop those eggs on whoever they were at war with.
Perhaps they were fleeing a warzone, think the school busses in Godzilla 2014.
They're thrown off-course somehow and stranded on LV-426, leaving the pilot to die and the eggs dormant.
The point isn't that the xenomorph is a "tree hugger", it is a killing machine, but its an animal and animals are just like that. The true assholes are The company that tried to poke it with a stick.
@@Commodore22345 Prometheus is an awful load of nonsense and can be ignored
We have livestock, space jockeys brang livestock.
There's an outtake (from the three-hour DVD documentary) that clearly shows the Alien to be the aggressor, during its encounter with Lambert & Parker. The Alien (from Lambert's POV) is about to punch a hole in her face BEFORE Parker charges at it from behind.
It obviously hunted down Lambert and Parker,why would anyone think otherwise?
Yes. It heard the noise they were making collecting the bottles and went to investigate ... @@redpillnibbler4423
@@cyrusq5999 can't we be light hearted sometimes?
@mistermatix8241 No, because people are exceptionally dumb. You know if there was a species that literally murdered humans to reproduce, there'd be a loud group of people demanding the species be allowed to live.
Even then it’s not really evil, it just a hungry wild animal
The real treasure was the eggs we made along the way
17:30 The Queen isn't even that hostile. Ripley showed her the flamethrower and she actually decided to let Ripley and Newt go, she even called back the warriors. The only reason the Queen attacked is because Ripley decided to start burning the eggs.
Milburn was a scientist. He knows better. The covenant XO had a visible example of David’s perfidy. He is expected to know better. Cane is a space trucker, a curious blue collar guy. He has no reason to know better.
Exactly, these characters are not even in the same ballpark when it comes to "he should know better!". Milburn was a damn biologist, allegedly top of his field if he got recruited for the mission. Oram was one of the people who were supposed to lead a new colony on an alien planet, i assume he had received proper training for all kinds of scenarios and situations plus, like you said, he had already seen that David was not on his side to say the least. Cane was just a dude driving a huge space truck, maybe he was too curious for his own good, maybe it was greed but you can't say he had been trained in any way for something like the scenario he was in. The only one on the Nostromo one could argue should have known better is Ash and we all know why he did nothing to prevent the disaster.
@watonemillion what does seeing Alien have to do with it? Do you really think the first thing an experienced biologist would do when encountering an alien life form would be to make a sex joke and try to stick his finger in its mouth? Especially when it looks like a snake, has teeth and the first thing that should run though his mind should be that it might be poisonous?
@watonemillion neither had Cain.
But did he need to shove his tail up Lambert though?
EGGZAKTLY!
And Lambert was actually a man before the sex change operation. There's an earlier AlIEN THEORY video about this.
I guess l can't blame Big Chap for being ..... curious? L0L
And the scene with the "'erect tail"'. If that ain't suggestive, I don't know what is .
yes 😈
It probably sensed that "she" was somehow different which makes the whole sexuality aspect of the Alien and Gigers art even more fascinating than it already is....
The insinuation of it is what makes it disturbing,we are left unsure what happened.
ALIEN 3 , the novelization, had a dream sequence in it where xenomorph was raping Ripley in her cryo tube . Really sick shyt .
The only thing two things Big Chap was "innocent" of is being the child of a facehugger that had no choice but be implanted down Kane's throat by its parent, and the way it evolved forced it to be born in a painful and fatal manner to his father. Otherwise, the second his exoskeleton hardened after his molting, he was a sadistic little (censored) who enjoyed every second of the pain and terror that he caused, and got off easy with a mere plasma-shower that probably did not even kill him. Also, when you think about it, since its actually the Facehuggers who carry out the act of impregnation, the each new Alien are *grand* children of the Alien that created their egg, not their *actual* children.
Yeah, it was about as innocent as Jeffrey Dahmer.
@@auh2o148 Dahmer was only guilty of protecting future children from predators
She most likely didn't ''enjoy it'' or atleast in the sense ur saying, shes an animal just like us, shes not innocent but not evil, nor is the crew.
I thought Egg to Chest Burster to Xenomorph "soldier ant" weren't generative iterations but a life cycle akin to larva, pupae, moth though? ooo, this really is a hatching ground for us nerd fans to discuss ideas and theories!
To me, the question at 9:49 goes to the heart of the matter. Either way, it's not good or evil. But is it aggressive without provocation? It's awesome that you addressed that. Great video.
Insect-like is the term I’d use.
In Alien Isolation, Alien needs some anger management.... 😏
That Alien did have a bad temper
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really really bad temper...
All that stomping.
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and screaming...
It makes you wonder what did the people on that station do to piss it off so much
That was a really interesting perspective to pursue. After all these years, I had never looked at the "alien" as having any innocence or non-violent instincts, until provoked. Great stuff, and another reminder why I love this channel so much. Cheers!
I saw this title and I was like "HELL NAW" just the very nature of Big Chap being born faciliated the death of another creature.
Same here, seemed like when this movie was made it was in anticipation of sequels an perhaps even prequels that would CLEARLY have the Xenomorph species... or at least vast majority of the species as parasitic, literally alien, monster killing machine predators
No , it has no choice on how its born . In some case ,in human reproductive cycles , mothers die giving birth to babys . Would you say those babys are evil ? . Dont forget no one choose why ,where ,who to and how they are born . I love big chap
@saifullahhabid1133 At least human women have a chance at survival, a xenomorph birth is a guaranteed fatality. THe Xenomorph are vile and destructive creatures.
@@saifullahhabid1133it can be assumed that the Queen knows something has to die to give birth to a xenomorph. Do parents anticipate the death of the mother when trying to conceive? Probably not. If a father could magically see into the future, and knew that his spouse would die giving birth, and decided to carry through with the process anyway, would we not call him a murderer?
I have been following your channel a while. I had a really sh*tty job few years ago, and when i was working alone, in a cold unconvenient environment as someone who had to EVERYTHYNG in a biiig building (they said i was custodian, film editor, mechanic, carpenter, event organizer, translator, postman, ect ) that was supposed to be a "house of culture" , or "club" for the town ,whatever you wanna call it, my ONLY joy was listening to your videos in my ear plugs, and if i had the chance sit down and watch them, well then i could also watch not just listen to them. (I was mostly just listening to them in cold dark places alone in corridors like Fury 161..i mean really they looked very similar. Unxerground, dark, dirty, cold, wet wind breezing...brr) Anyways in those long months, i have watched/listened to all of your videos , and kept following you since. I will never forget to You that even You didnt knew, YOU WERE THERE WITH ME in those horrible conditions, and to be fair the theme )Alien's dark unforgiven theme and world) felt really fitting to the conditions i were in. Iam awfully thankful to you ever since, and every single one of your new videos are kinda celebratory for me. Thank you for your work and amazing content, please never change, You are a breath of fresh air for us Alien fans especially now. Thank you, and thank you thousand times. Keep up the good work
You're a braver chap than me, listening to this channel in a place like that! Stay frosty!
What in God's name kind of job was this!?
@@nurgle333 a shitty one
@@rangda_prime thanks a lot
I've always been intrigued by one of the original ending ideas of how the Alien kills Ripley and takes on the voice of Capt. Dallas as it sends out an s.o.s. in hopes it will be picked up by more prey.
That's actually a brilliant ending.
But not exactly realistic for such creature. I mean... It would be too damn lethal in that way and moreover if it can send out a message, then why it can't just man and fly the ship towards Earth or some colonies? 😑
It would have been original for the time.
I've always liked the idea of that ending, it would have been chilling to watch, making the Xeno a significantly greater threat to humanity, and fooling both the crew and the audience alike. It's not just a dangerous 'animal' now, but a highly sentient/sapient being that could knock humanity down the food chain, like I said, it would have been quite a chilling ending, but sadly it would also mean the death of Ripley and never seeing her epic, if utterly tragic, story.
Send...more...paramedics
It talks with Ripleys' voice in that ending.
Not Kane's fault . He was curious and he was operating off company rules .
Without human curiosity, we don't advance as a species. Simples
there is scientific curiosity and stupid curiosity, this was stupid curiosity.
From when he "hatched" from Kane, he was threatened. Parker pulled a knife on him, then he had Ripley, Lambert, Parker, Brett, Dallas and Ash following him as a baby in unfamiliar surroundings with detection devices and electrified cattle prods. Then he grows up, then Dallas goes after him with a flamethrower. The remaining crew then debate on blowing him out of an airlock. He comes to say hello to Lambert, and Parker bashes him with a flamethrower. Big Chap decides "ooh that place looks cosy" and hides in the Narcissus, and snuggles in for a nap or to die. Ripley comes in with Jones, Mr Xeno has a big stretch while sleeping, Ripley blasts him with gas to wake him up, shoots him with an harpoon gun, locks him out, then fries him with a plasma engine. Alien had a rough time. The only characters who never gave him a bad time were Jones and Ash. I think he knocked Jones about in his cat carrier was because Xeno was upset that his new human friends weren't exactly welcoming
You got to ask yourself though, would you be willing to go face to face unarmed with the Alien in an attempt to communicate?
He is an intelligent creature though, and some of his behaviour shows that he's actually curious. The way he looks at Lambert shows that. She's unarmed, fearful, and he doesn't threaten her immediately. As you say it's only when the overtly aggressive Parker attacks him, the Alien's mindset changes. If he'd met Lambert alone, as she was in the scene, would he have attacked? He might have thought "non hostile, no threat" and simply walked off, or even tried to communicate via sign language or something similar. He raised his tail like a finger towards her and simply sat on the floor and watched her working. I think he's just curious, and despite his birth being violent, unless he's provoked with violence, I just think he'd be happy to hide away and do his own thing. I think he just happened to bump into Parker and Lambert. I always think that when he points his tail towards Lambert, he's not displaying aggressive behavior, it's curiosity. It's as though he's saying "keep going, just do that thing, it's interesting. I'll sit here and watch" as soon as he's blindsided by Parker, he changes. It's actually an amazing scene, as the Alien even looks up at Lambert, like a kid watching his dad fixing the car. If Lambert had struggled with the oxygen cylinders, would the Alien have helped her?
It'd be interesting to hear an actual psychologist discussing the Alien mindset in depth. The Alien might have been frightened, alone, away from his hive, strange surroundings, these biological beings holding things that hurt him, his fight or flight responses might have been off the chart. He never forced Kane to look into the egg, he never asked to be born in such surroundings with people being angry and violent towards him as a baby. Jones wasn't a threat so he could go into the claw room unchallenged. It wasn't that he was too small for cocooning, Jones just wasn't a threat. The Alien looks as he does because that is just how he is. Yes he's scary, but it's just how he's designed. A spider is creepy, with long legs and eight eyes, but he'll keep flies and other bugs off your food, no toxic chemicals used in bug spray, just his instincts. It's a symbiotic relationship. A spider only asks for a warm place to rest, he'll stay out of your way, and he'll keep your food and home bug free. Could the Alien follow that rule too?
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@@redpillnibbler4423 is that you, Brett? Parker needs to have a word
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The alien has some insect/spider-like attributes but it’s entirely different.As an individual it has an intelligence way beyond individual insects and it actively hunts any other creature in its vicinity.
Leaving it alone or not will result in you being hunted,but it’s not mindless there’s purpose behind it.
Looking at the expanded alien universe it also has a collective intelligence.
@@redpillnibbler4423 Yeah you're right. I certainly would not go face to face with the Xenomorph, but I was looking at the threat/no threat angle, but as you say the creature is a born hunter and is instinctive. It's cool how this channel is a melting (by acid?) pot of ideas and theories about our favourite acid blooded, banana headed friends and their universe.
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Yes I enjoy reading xenomorph theories 👍👍
"I admire its purity. A survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality."
It was never the bad guy.
Now we need another film from Chappie's POV.
Also interesting that the shuttle is where Dallas chooses to chill at the end of the day.
I remember a meme with that scene of the ALIEN inspecting Jones in the cat box. The ALIEN is asking "Where can I find some peace?" Jones responds "I know a nice spot in the shuttle."
The same applies to the monster in Cloverfield. It is a lost baby, scared and alone. Then humans start attacking it.
I never considered the Big Chap to be "innocent", unless you consider it to be just an animal following it's nature. I always thought the notion of it having a very limited lifespan as something that was completely unexplored in the film. It just didn't comport with the theme of the final cut of the film, and as you said, every other movie in the series kind of blew that idea apart. The creature is CLEARLY hostile from it's very first phase of the ovamorph. Like many predatory species, it capitalizes on it's prey's curiosity. I think the question is interesting in the context of the first film, though. Especially when intelligence is a consideration. I seem to recall a potential ending that nearly had the Big Chap killing Ripley on the life boat, and mimicking her voice for the final log entry. If the creature is intelligent, then the idea of it being an innocent is void. If, however, it is just an animal, then it is only doing as it's natural instinct presupposes... Or there is option "C"; the Big Chap IS the biological weapon it was suggested to be, and is nothing more than a crued, and bloody slow firing bomb blowing up in the faces of it's creators victims.
Either way ,Remind me to cross out LV426 off of my tourist vacation travel list...😱🐍😂
I like this theory, and I do find it immensely disappointing that all subsequent alien movies make the xenomorph just ruthlessly bloodthirsty for no given reason. It doesn't eat them, it's not impregnating them like the chestburster. It's just hunting them for the sake of making things die, even when it is inconvenient or dangerous to it's own survival. Like they mixed up the Xenomorph with the Predator.
So Brett was provoking it with his back to it, unarmed, and unaware. Same for Lambert.
I think Brett had a weapon; also, it DIDN'T kill him! It simply 'punched' him with its secondary jaw and dragged him into the vents. He was still very alive as he was being dragged too, as if the Alien was trying to say 'see? I don't want to kill anyone. Just let me by, please.'
As for Lambert's death, Chap may have thought she betrayed him, luring him out with curiosity so Parker could kill him.
@@Emerald501st You can see Big Chap’s tongue punch through Brett’s scalp, it was killing him.
@@Emerald501stBrett did not in fact have a weapon.
Xenomorph: Kills everyone around even if they pose no threat to him. Also Xenomorph: I just want to survive.
To be fair. That can be just territorial fights. Even same species males fight each other over territory and females.
I am sure it also noticed that it is alone and that is a problem for a drone. Perhaps it thought that its hive was destroyed by you. They always have a hive. They are not loners like tigers.
Awww can we keep him, Dallas, can we?
Wasn't expecting this. A nice change of perspective.
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I agree, one of the most talented creators on the platform.
I have always looked at the Alien, Xenomorph, Big Chap as running on instinct... If we take the original movies as a base, including Aliens... The Xenomorph is a creature of unknown origin ... It wasn't native to LV-426... And what happens when you take a species from its natural environment and place it somewhere it doe snot belong? CHAOS!
I do believe that this theory has more merit than many may accept... Even in Aliens, The xenomorphs are doing what they woudl normally do, Build a Hive Breed, Feed... If as was suggested by the Dark Horse Comics both seriously and not so seriously... (There was a great strip where an Alien Species sought out Face hugger Eggs deliberately, One gets attacked by a Face hugger and HE EATS IT! The strip ended with them selling Facehugger eggs like Candy!) Then they probably had some kind of "environment" they thrived in or Natural Predators that stopped them becoming an issue...
A Lion can be a very dangerous creature ... We know that! But its NOT inherently evil, It is just doing what it has to to survive!
It has intelligence but isn’t good or evil.It’s um . . . alien.
Doe snot!? :O
That’s if the Xenomorph is natural. With all of the movies and such. There’s more evidence to that they are a bio weapon. Bio weapons don’t have natural predators.
Considering that everything the Xeno does in movies facilitates its purpose to eliminate all potential life of a certain mass.
Not to mention that these things have the durability of the strongest of extremophiles. In that it can live in the void of space for at least twenty years.
What I am saying is natural evolved lifeforms have key exploitable flaws because they didn’t have to adapt for that particular situation. The xenomorph has abilities that allow it live if not thrive in any and every hostile environment including the desolate dangerous barren environment of space.
You are right though in the respects that the alien is following its instincts. The thing is, it’s always in its natural environment as it adapts better to the environment than even the native life forms of that environment by taking the traits of its host. As well as being adapted to environments beyond even the host species capabilities.
The alien is a biological WMD. The engineer ship was a bomber. With a very nasty payload.
@@DaddyHensei In the movies - Yes... That is what Ridley Scott has ran with, and they are the primary canon.
In the comics however which are now Non-Canon, They were shown to have Natural Predators and some "Unnatural" - One Alien Species in a "What if... " Scenario were seen exploring a planet and one gets attacked by a Facehugger, Which he promptly eats... He then starts a stall selling Xenomorph Eggs.
Also, the comics have depicted the Xeno's actually having their own Home world, and even evolving into warring factions - Like Black and Red ants...
But the movies are the primary canon... Much as I woudl like to ignore many of them! (The AVP Movies were a bloody mess, And its annoying the comics are no longer canon given Aline Vs Predator stole most of its story from the comics!!! The Scene where they Predator marks the Survivor with the Alien Blood... YEAH, RIPPED DIRECTLY FROM THE COMICS! EVEN THE BLOODY SYMBOL WAS AN EXACT COPY FROM THE DARK HORSE COMIC!!!
Which gets even more annoying when you find out the comic WAS FAR BETTER THAN THE MOVIE THAT RIPPED IT OFF! They should have just made a copy of the comic... It had a better story, better flow, and they pinched all its best ideas anyway!
I am not a fan of the Bio-Weapon arc... I think cause its a bit "Played out" - But it is canon... I prefer the idea they are Natural as its a warning to US that we need to stop messing with shit...
... Much like THE THING, Fan Theories say that's a Bio-Weapon... And that to me is BORING! We have seen Alien Invaders over and over again... Why couldn't it be what it appears to be... A Being not of our planet, stranded their by mistake... And wanting to get out of Dodge!!
In The case of THE THING, It makes the story way more compelling as then its not just the "Heroes" who are afraid and paranoid but the creature itself...
With the Alien Franchise, The idea we might come across something that is purely instinctual... Thats FRIGHTENING! Far more frightening than a Bio Weapon...
I don't think the xenomorphs actually have a natural environment. In all honesty, they're likely a bio-weapon created by the Engineers.
I honestly hadn’t thought about this theory much, but it really does make a lot of sense. Kind of sad he was waiting to die at the end basically and had to deal with Ripley lol. I think there are some parallels to the cat in the film in the aliens nature. It is curious, but can also be deadly if need be. It felt like the film was kind of pointing to that with the way they showed the cat wasn’t too bothered about the alien also that the alien didn’t bother it either.
Agreed, it really felt like they kept showing the cat at crucial moments to emphasise that the alien is like a cat - it's an animal, it has instincts, it gets scared, it lashes out when it feels threatened. Put a cat in a scary place and corner it, it will scratch you. But the humans tolerate it because they know a cat cannot kill them. The alien is viewed differently because even if its behaviour is the same, it CAN kill.
@@someguy3766 Very well said! I remember some close ups of the cat when someone was getting killed and it looked indifferent lol. So funny
It never touched the cat because it knew Ripley would return for it! (I’m not joking)
What an interesting point of view. Thanks for the great video.
I have watched this franchise more times than I can count. Now I have to do it again.
That's a very alien theory you have there....
Like thinking the Karate Kid was the bully in the film. I'll never see it the same.
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Watch 'Cobra Kai'. It literally deals with that very perspective.
I love the movie and have watched it countless times and have never thought of it this way ..looks like I might have to see it again 😮
In 1987's Predator, the creature is actively hunting down Dutch' group and picking them up one by one, even going so far as sneaking right under their noses while they slept to claim a corpse because he wanted the trophy that badly.
In Alien, the creature is only seen when they stumble upon it. When it kills Lambert and Parker it looks more like it just happened to walk up to them rather than dropping on top of them as if it knew they were always there.
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As far as the crew "rescuing" aliens, according to the book, that would have been very difficult. Once they got back into space and the alien popped out, and they started hunting it, they talked about only having a week of life support to find and get rid of it. And limited food. The company hadn't planned on long awake time while not on their normal jobs.
Kane is basically the Steve Irwin of the future 😂
No he actively attacked the crew the moment he was chest birthed. And when hands and arms proved too much he waited till he was bigger to kill them.
Correct,it studied the crew then later hunted them down one by one.
And Aliens was all Ripley's fault. She could of kept quiet and just say it was a malfunction that caused the ship to blow up. Never mentioning the alien. No order to check out the crash site from Burke :)
It's just a couple hundred kilometers away from the colony. As they spread out - they would inevitably stumble upon it without Carter Burke asking them to check out the coordinates.
But then again, the ship was totaled by an earthquake in the interim between movies that knocked out the power(unless you count Alien: Isolation as canon, where the beacon was disabled), so it's possible that the eggs would be dead by the time they actually found it on their own in a few more decades.
@@TheKain202or somebody going for a picnic out past the Alien range :)
Not really mother was send report to the company
@Jr2728 Reports that were purposefully stuffed where light don't shine and buried underneath a mountain of red-tape, never to be found again, the moment the Nostromo went MIA. All so the people who signed off on the orders could weasel out of legal trouble of being responsible for loss of cargo, hardware and life.
It's no coincidence that despite an outpost sprouting on the planet due to it's proximity to the shipping lane, no one ever decided to investigate until Ripley popped out the woodwork and started screaming from the rooftops about "ALIENS"
I don’t believe that tactic would have worked. I’ve always believed that the crew of the Nostromo was picked distinctly for the mission of acquiring a viable specimen of this creature. The company even went so far as to place a synthetic onboard to ensure that the specimen was acquired. The company at the time knew the alien ship was on LV-426. Now what I think happened was that time passed and the situation was forgotten/buried and the company people who initiated the Nostromo mission died off. When Ripley was found almost 60 years later and testified about what happened Burke sent the message that led to LV-426 being infected and overrun. And Burke was ultimately responsible for what happened because he didn’t tell the colonists about the dangers. He could have sent a professional team to handle the situation, but he was concerned about exclusive rights to what was found. And I believe the colonists would have found that ship eventually anyway. A colony of families should never have been put on that planet in the first place, which bolsters my idea that the secret Nostromo plot was forgotten or buried. I know corporations are cold, but I don’t think they would have done that if they had known what was on that planet. It’s either that the situation was forgotten/buried or its a huge plot hole….
There are a couple of arguments In defence of Kane. First of all, I think he and the others really weren't expecting to find anything alive on the ship. It looked dead and the only crew member they found was long dead. Kane was expecting to find stuff rather than anything alive. What he did find look as much like plant pods as they did animal. For all he knew, this could be the aliens version of a hydroponics bay. For the egg itself, most creatures new born, hatched or whatever this was are normally helpless and require assistance and feeding from a parent. He wasn't expecting it to go off like a jack-in-a-box. Finally Kane was wearing an environment suit. This was designed for very harsh conditions and LV426 was deep cold with CO2 crystals in the air and high winds with abrading dust fragments. It was a suit designed to take some punishment and still protect its wearer. The face-hugger should have just bounced off, but it was equipped with something that could burn through even his heavily shielded face plate. Kane was taking a risk, but it was a calculated risk that he was fairly confident about.
Of course, this is all just stuff that has bounced around in my head for years. Take as nonsense if you like.
Kane’s actions were entirely reasonable and realistic considering the situation.
Better this stuff bouncing around your head for years than someone living there rent free :)
Did Burke make this video?!
Romulus has shown that it at least had a longer lifespan, but as you said this is just based on the first film. Really cool theory!
Always thought that from its perspective its born into a strange world where every other thing you encounter is either running from you or trying to kill you. Like imagine how a human would be in its situation. Very dangerous and intelligent, resilient, resourceful, scared into a kill or be killed reality.
Wrong though.
Great vid, and I can really appreciate the interpretation. I normally avoid these kind of channels! Liked and subscribed!
Goddammit, Spunkmeyer😂
Yeah but it’s a dry heat.
@@redpillnibbler4423 God, it's hot in here
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Nobody touch nothin!
Just keep movin', baby
I once read an essay entitled "The Xenomorph and The Biological Imperative" which brought up precisely these points. In fact, it expanded on them to include and biologically reconcile the behavior of the xenomorphs throughout the entire franchise. Now, making allowances for narrative needs and the like, through all of its iterations, the xenomorphs and their queen behaved in a manner consistent with the principles of survival, not through malice or evil acts, but survival through sheer hostility, aggression, and even anger. The queen's pursuit of Ripley and Newt (for instance) up through the elevator at Hadley's Hope was not driven by a thirst for vengeance (or at least not entirely) but recognizing that the environment was becoming untenable, she (the queen) needed to try and escape. The essay went point-by-point through all of the movies through "Alien: Prometheus", and I felt definitely made its argument well.
To me the crux of the film is Ash’s speech. Possibly the best ever speech on any suspense movie: It’s like you know there are bad news coming from the gurgly mouth of the only being that could know anything about the nemesis we are facing and each word it utters feels like a slow death sentence confirming our worst fears to the point even of surpassing them to a degree never heard before or after in cinema: “You can’t….Perfect organism… Its structural perfection is only matched by its hostility”.
Mouths agape, from the innards of the screen to the last row of the theater. It feels like someone died.
Then comes the “you admire it” line and Ash proceeds to explain in a way that brings us back from reptile mode to reboot our central nervous systems back to a somewhat thinking mind.
It isn’t innocent, it isn’t guilty, it is a force of a nature we didn’t dream of but existed in our darkly pulsating fears. Nature isn’t nature anymore. This thing, vaguely and twistedly humanoid has wiped out that concept. What we know is that it’s either it or us. Because it won’t stop killing or worse and we won’t stop running.
The cast were so spot on, great delivery of lines and interactions.
This theory has one huge problem. It's hard to imagine a creature whose life cycle depends on a death of another species, to be peaceful by nature. Parasitoid wasp that lays its eggs in caterpillars won't evolve to ask a caterpillar politely for a favor.
Good theories. I had always wondered what would’ve happened if the crew didn’t act hostile to the chest-burster when it first emerged.
The same as happened, regardless.
The one in the third film had nothing around when it emerged, still incredibly aggressive.
@@Xenomorphine I'm just going with AT’s theory with only the first movie.
@@GDeNofaThat's not being realistic, though. It's a series.
Especially if you're speculating on a potential future story, which would, by necessity, have to take other events into account, too.
@@Xenomorphine haven't you watched the video? It's just fun speculation. Chill.
@@GDeNofa Of course I've watched it.
Never claimed it wasn't "fun speculation," either.
I read a similar idea put forth from the creature in 'The Thing'.
As to the Alien getting sustenance, there was a passage in the novelization when the crew first try and use flamethrowers on it, they almost corner it in a storage room, containing food for the crew. It escapes through an air vent just before Dallas incinerates the room.
I laughed at the name 'Big Chap', as I bought a large figure with that same name.
Honestly, I've looked at it through this lens before. In the context of the first Alien it's no more evil than "Bruce" in Jaws or, arguably the Grim Reaper in Greek myth. Each only does as it is inclined to do or compelled so by outside influence. It's only when people place themselves directly in harms way that things go sideways. Seek death, you'll find it. Go into the ocean after a Great White Shark, you'll be turned into chum. Chase an unknown organism all around a claustrophobic environment and you'll provoke it into attacking.
Given the sexual undertones of the movie, I have had the thought that the alien had a sexual attraction to the females. It reacted more slowly to the females as opposed to the males. It attacked/killed the males instantly; whereas, it was more intrigued by Ripley and Lambert. I often wondered if it viewed the females as potential mates.
If Lambert and Kane were intimate (I think It's mentioned in a deleted scene or I read it somewhere) you could argue that the Alien 'remembers' Lambert and tries to 'reenact' that intimacy.
Makes the scene more dark and disturbing.
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@@flea1972Well in Aliens Dust to Dust the Xeno birthed from mother protected her son😏
There is no such thing as one species. Well. Humans now I guess could make their own oxygen. But before the industrial revolution we required plants to make it for us. And still do need them in the fourth industrial revolution. It is a symbiotic relationship. So funny thing is: No plants means no humans or anything else that needs oxygen. And plants even need our exhaled CO2. Though there may be other CO2 sources. We need them. They do not need us.
The Xenomorph using us as an encubation chamber and food source also actually can even adobt non sexually a DNA trait like seen with a Predalian. So any superior genetic trait of any species the Xenomorph can adopt.
Funny thing is though that they only morph within the animal kingdom and never into a sapiens. The Goauld of the Stargate universe had genetic memory. I guess humans are just crap then. Because we do not have a genetic memory. Hence Aliens 3 scientists forcing a merger with that human female.
Alien Theory going full Steve Irwin on the Big Chap
It's an interesting theory but... Somehow it reminds me of the words said by Carter Burke.
"It's a new species and we have no rights to wipe them out"... 😅
After these creatures have wiped out an entire colony and a group of Colonial Marines.
I once tackled this idea by writing a small fan fic from the point of view of the face hugger. That it was scared but ultimately concerned for kane. As it could tell he couldn't breath in the initial atmosphere after it woke up. It then saw how kane had fainted due to lack of oxygen and assumed he had fallen into some kind of coma and didn't want to leave him alone hence why it didn't let them remove it from lanes face. It proceded to try and comfort kane with all these different chemicals to help kane relax and recover. Growing ever closer to this creature it couldn't understand until it eventually wanted to leave a bit of itself with kane to remember it by before it left and finally died itself. Horrifying from our experience. An act of love and compassion from the face hugger.
Perspective is everything I guess. Never thought I'd see the day I empathise with a face hugger but god damn you've done it. Well done!
I just noticed that Ash doesn’t have a shirt on under his scrubs.
yeah first time for me too...
I always noticed how slow the big chap is at the end, it looked a bit fragile and vulnerable. It really makes the creature more interesting and realistic, even more alien in nature and not just a stereotypical monster. Thank you for the analysis
The Big Chap needlessly smacked Jonesy in his carrier. No innocent being would do that to a poor, defenseless little kitty.
Yes, but it also could've just killed Jonesy - and Ripley in the shuttle.
In an unused script, the crew actually communicate with the alien and they establish a truce
The alien helps them fix their ship and the crew agrees to drop the alien at the nearest habitable moon.
Along the way, the alien and Parker become pals.
This is up there with the Darth Jar Jar theory.
It sounds ridiculous when you first hear it, but when you look at the evidence, it doesn't sound all that far fetched.
Not like Darth Jar Jar. Darth Jar Jar actually was supposed to be a thing. Its confirmed.
I think it improves the message of corporate abuse. Forcing employees to endanger themselves by fucking around with a critter that just wants to be left alone, having control over society and especially their employee's perception of the world, keeping people cruel and selfish and easy to control. Their job, the ship they're vulnerable to, is the real horror, Big Chap is a convenient scapegoat. Hell, maybe that was all intentional, and later movies retconned that. There's certainly less focus on how fucked up corporations are, so I'd believe it.
Never thought of it like this.
4:20 at the very beginning of Alien, the whole crew proclaims that they want more money and that they don't get paid for detours. Looking in a hole to see if there's anything valuable in it to make everyone, including himself, happier is thus not an absurd decision.
p.s. the Aliens would have gotten them anyway, regardless of the egg scene. The capitalistic (money is good for you, so you know your Caste) Cooperation, Mother, Synth et al would have made that certain.
The situation with Brett is too ambiguous to be considered a point for the xenomorphs "innocence". Brett was simply looking Jones, and the xenomorph took its sweet time pursuing and relishing in Brett's fear before killing him. Animals who act in self-defense mainly stand their ground or only pursue until it scares off the predator. If it perceived Brett was a threat to be dealt with the way it did, then its putting itself on the same level as the Nostromo crew who are trying to get rid of it for the same reason.
But what I think throws a wrench into the theory is the aftermath with Lambert and Parker. When the xenomorph appeared, Lambert was fully clothed. But when Ripley returns to find them dead, Lambert's feet and legs are bare, implying the xenomorph stripped her and did a big no-no to her. Given the monster's clearly sexual design and Ridley Scott's commentary of using sex for horror, if this is true then this can't be considered self-defense due to how disproportionate it is, suggesting that there's a more malicious nature to the creature.
4:07 🎵”Blame it on the Kane, Kane, Kay-ne…🎵
Yes, Milli Vanilli!
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I reckon Kane was in on Special Order 937, and that's the reason he seemed so eager to go down and investigate.
He always struck me as being very non-chalant with the crew about the situation, until his death.
Poor Big Chap was scared senseless. She had a right to defend herself.
Is this a reference to Israel?
@@markharrison6498 The Alien cries out as it strikes you
It. Drones are sexless.
@@travisbishop782 yeah, but they identify as female.
@@markharrison6498 great, now i have a horrible mental image of a xenomorph drone in drag.
Interesting take but ultimately it reduces the creature to mere animal status as some in the comments say, I have to agree I'm afraid. That happened with James Cameron's take on the theme with Aliens but I suppose you could argue that could possibly be a genetic tampering offshoot or similar and that admittedly is certainly compelling. As for Giger's original Beast, I think it should stay in the pages of the transhumanist Necronomicon iconography as the Master himself portrayed it. Massively erotic, sadistic, corrupted human aspects emeshed with industrial design (which H.R.G. excelled in) qualities and adult spiritual angst.
Not being snobbish just acknowledging the original thematic values, which imo are much more scary and alluring.
I'm hoping Noah Hawley's series will somehow incorporate Giger's imagery and mindscape aspect together with the corporate evil of the acquisition of the Alien. This is a fantastic channel, sincere thanks for all you do for the fans.
My client was threatened whilst resting in their egg pod by a heavily armored biped of unknown species.