What if the Alien Never Got Aboard the Nostromo? - Theory
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- In this "What If?" scenario, I look at the possible outcomes of Ripley successfully following quarantine procedure, and never letting the organism aboard the Nostromo.
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why does no one ever include Jonesy as a survivor
Doesn't Jonesy get infected by one of alien species? Or was that a dream sequence Ripley had?
Because he's just a cat, period.
Ripley had that dream where she got infected, the last we see of jones is when Ripley has decided to go with the marines 'and you, you little shit head are staying here' I just hope someone was around to feed him
@@bigdaddytrips6197 Biggest fail attempt at trolling. Better luck next time kid lol
@@bigdaddytrips6197 Tell me you're a 13-year-old edgelord without telling me you're a 13-year-old edgelord
One of the creepiest things about Weyland Yutani is the fact that they continue where they leave off no matter how long it’s been. How they dispassionately haunt people.
The creepiest thing is, or rather the most ghastly thing, is no matter how many folks die, no matter how godawful Weyland-Yutani’s failed plans, lives lost in its tries to acquire and control the Xenomorph. It cannot help but try again
Exactly like Amazon. 😱
@@BigBadJerryRogersIt's just capitalism running its course. Bottom lines and shareholder returns. The fundamental force of nature isn't gravity or nuclear or electromagnetic etc, the fundamental force in nature is avarice
I always felt so sad for Ripley, how the Xenomorph dominated her whole life, took her away from her daughter, she spent her adult life fighting it, still having massive psychological trauma from what she went through, and even after death she was cloned and brought back half alien.
word poor Ripley...
That’s true
I think the Android or David 8 had a thing for her and this is all about a real human consciousness in a robot body trying miscegenation on a real human in a human body.
The merging between humans and machine.
Suggestions that we are own creator is also a blasphemy.
It’s many deep and profound concepts , as the monster alien is rejection.
The rage of the machine, android slave
Frankenstein monster
And
Greed of the weyland yutani Corp.
It’s very well done
Even the names
Covenant
Prometheus
Ash
Ellen Ripley is HOT , her interaction with other women is excellent.
So coy and sarcastic with quasi sexual overtones.
Poor Lambert never had a chance
I’d like to see Ellen take on Vickers
That would be epic
Blame Weyland for her fate not the Xenomorphs. They had nothing personal against her. Yes, if you think in a poetic manner, then yes, indirectly the Xenomorphs destroyed her life. She was never the same after the first Xenomorph burst out of Kane.
@@rayunited2010foryou that’s a great point, it was all because of Weyland Yutani!
@@orlybabe Weyland is like most companies now. They destroy everything.
The idea of Jonesy being a present to Amanda is sweet and my new headcanon.
@The Wandering Fool that sounds ike a badass fanfic
Alien should be mandatory viewing for all ship crews of future missions into the cosmos on what not to when encountering alien lifeforms
They'll somehow still find a way to screw it up
Alien Covenant should be mandatory viewing for recruitment teams so they don't hire mentally deficient people to go on potentially dangerous space expeditions.
That and Prometheus. Lesson - ALWAYS send a warship. (In fairness to the crew of Covenant, their decision to change destinations was not without justification; what happened after they got there, though, was one clusterfuck after another.)
But Paradise was an unsurveyed planet. They should have at least sent some kind of survey drone or Walter down to the planet first to run some tests. All of it could have been avoided if they had taken simple precautions.
Like I said, once they got there it was one clusterfuck after another. The novelisation explicitly states that they did run scans, and gives explanations afterwards as to why these erroneously showed no danger. But not waiting until the storm had cleared and then doing a proper surface survey (which would have revealed the Engineer city strewn with corpses and told everyone quite clearly that going down there was a huge fucking no-no) was an unforgivable mistake.
Very enjoyable 👍.
I'd like to see a 'what if Hicks went back for Vasquez instead of Gorman?' Hicks full pulse rifle, takes down multiple aliens and pulls Vasquez out. No Gorman grenade, they don't lost Newt and all escape in the lift to the surface and the drop ship with Bishop. No going back for Newt, no alien Queen fight, no egg on board, no malfunction, no ejected pods, no Alien 3 and no Alien Resurrection!
That last bit would be awesome
@@seemlyca9065 lmao
No alien 3, no alien resurrection. what a lovely idea! thanks
It was I, I did it. I put the egg on the Suducco
@@jackavery7179 You.... MONSTER!!!! /j
ok as a former member of the US navy there are real world paralles to the quaritine that was in alien and they are in place for very good reasons and any captin or crewman that would break quaritine would find them selves in front of a court marshal board
In the military that would happen. But the Nostromo was private sector. WY considers the crew expendable when the need arises. Pretty shitty.
That would make sense, Strikernightfall. When you break a law, there are consequences. Yeah. People suffer at your hands when you break a law.
...better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.
I am suprised that there was no security detail on the ship. Because of the hazards that might come. But it is the same for cargo ships. Still suprised that there is no security detail on those ship's
I agree...that far into the future and they still have no need to carry a small security detail consisting of 1-2 personnel within the crew is absurd.
What hellish abomination would be unleashed if a xenomorph boarded the Event Horizon? 😁
Roseanne?
@@c0t0d0s7 nah, you translated that wrong, its Rosie O'donnell
Poor Xenomorph has no eyes to claw out!
Frankly I'd like to believe that Hell, or whatever is on the other side, has accounted for everything, including xenomorphs, and has something specific in mind for whatever crosses into its territory. If the xenomorph wasn't driven insane and made even more dangerous by its experiences, the hellscape might actually prove capable of traumatizing it to a point of docility that would see it huddling in the corner of some isolated dark space and afraid of even an encounter with humans.
One human's hell is another xenomorph's heaven.
Here's the thing I don't understand about Weyland-Yutani: in both the comics and in-universe, it's established that humanity is branching out light years from home and can even terraform planets within a generation or two... *_so why the hell would you bring such dangerous/unknown specimens directly onto Earth?!_* A space station, a hollowed-out asteroid, a hidden base on Mars or the Moon or where ever...That way, if anything goes wrong, *_no one finds out about it._* Doesn't that make more sense? Not only is it safer in case you lose containment, but it's safer from prying eyes as well. I never got the whole thing of absolutely NEEDING to take the xenomorphs back to Earth. You don't have to, and it's just too big of a risk to Weyland-Yutani... as the Earth War comic shows.
In this kind of story some bad guy have to make the Aliens a threat to humanity even if it meant that they take stupid risks. It's a common flaw with villains in fiction.
This is why I like that Alien 3 idea that has Weyland-Yutani getting an Alien sample and then experimenting with the thing on a prison space station. Thats was way more sensible than going to Earth.
Or they did all this to purposely destroy earth. So they could remake it in there own image. “Building better worlds”.
Because humans always think they are the shit.
Cost. It would require building highly advanced labs to house the specimen, plus the cost of shipping the materials there, the cost of construction, and the paperwork about what they were studying. Or, they could bring it to Earth, where such facilities already existed, and where no one would think twice about the company suddenly reinforcing its labs.
"Hey Ripley! You killed 3 crew members during your expedition!...Here's your bonus as well as your "Most efficient employee of the month" award!"
3? 1. And he would have died anyway. As soon as the baby popped the top, it would scurry off, likely away from the ship. I'm pretty sure it took longer than 24 hours to reach full size, so they would have been clear to board the ship by then, and left it in the dust. That being said, the book is vague about the timetable, but I think the gestation would have taken longer than 24 hours too...so it might not have made any difference in the end, and might have helped Ash keep his cover.
@Qwfwq66 Actually, they have incredibly short lifespans, so odds are it wouldn't delay laying. What it delayed on was detaching, staying on to act as an air filter into Kane was back in his own atmosphere. IT makes no sense biologically not to lay the egg immediately, because something can potentially be done to remove the hugger otherwise. Look at Resurrection, Ripley 8 was strong enough to rip the legs off and throw it off her face. 8 may have been a hybrid, but who's to say other species like that don't exist? No, it laid the egg in the bay.
The bonus situation has never been on an equitable level
The Ripley character just keeps giving. Incredible. After all these years Weaver delivered something truly remarkable
"Oh man those are some weird eggs, let's get out of here. Yeah you're right Ripley let's go"
*credits roll*
I think a good video would be: "What if Burke succeeded in getting Ripley and Newt implanted with chestbursters?"
That is a good What If theory.
very good indeed
events similar to Alien Resurrection would have happened
That’s easy..... roll credits!
He gets immediately beaten to death by the marines when they question who let the facehuggers out of their tubes. They would shoot him, but they really need to save the bullets and frankly, Vasquez has some anger she needs to work out
Ripley's being a stickler for the rules indicates her naivety as to exactly how far the company would go to secure a sample for its bio weapons division. Part of the horror here is watching all that come crashing down as she begins to sob uncontrollably after confronting ash in that computer room and realizing that he's been protecting the creature under company orders. Seems this is the first time the company overtly sacrificed a human crew and gave an android full control of a mission. They called the computer Mother but its seems mommy's new roll was to cast away the people and nurture a monster. That's a horror that seemed to go missing in the other films. They were doomed from the very beginning because they were sent to get the creature.
@Fox Mulder what? I havent seen it in a while, but she was a second late..
Well first off, no, it wasn't naive. At the time, they had absolutely no way of knowing that the signal was a warning, not a distress signal. They thought they had been directed to help someone in need, and merely figured they got there too late for the people who sent the 'distress' signal. Secondly, and this goes hand in hand with the first point, they had no idea WHAT the facehugger was, much less why anyone would want it for bioweapons, or anything else. Among the possible scenarios, it was considered that it might have some sort of virus, or that it might shed some sort of dangerous spores aboard the ship. The crew were, in fact, puzzled that the facehugger would put Kane in a coma and then work so hard to keep him alive. And finally, Mother was not trying to thwart Ripley in any way. In the scene in question, she had set the self destruct and found Jones and was going to put herself and the cat aboard the shuttle to flee. She discovered the alien was aboard, and tried to stop the self destruct, but she got there too late. It was stated that the timer, which I believe was something like ten minutes, had a five minute window to deactivate, after which NOTHING could stop it from going up when time ran out. Mother's 'failure' to stop the self destruct wouldn't have done anything to protect the creature, it just would have ensured that Ripley and Jones DIDN'T board the shuttle, or launch it, thereby ensuring that all of them, alien included, died when the Nostromo blew up. If anything, Mother was ensuring the destruction of the creature.
@@TheKyrix82 , didn't Dallas and Ash state that any signal of possibly intelligent origin had to be investigated? Full forfeiture of all shares was the penalty, IIRC.
@@spaceflight1019 They did. Because they thought it was a distress signal. Company policy said that when a ship was in distress, the nearest ship had to drop what they were doing and rescue them, and failure to do so resulted in full forfeiture of all shares. But I'm assuming my name was tagged because you hit my reply, because I never implied otherwise.
@@TheKyrix82 , I just wondered if I remembered Ash explaining it to Parker correctly.
So ironically, if the company didn’t interfere with having Ash open the doors, they would of had the xenomorph long ago.
But they already knew the co-ordinates to begin with. It is made quite clear in the first film that they re-routed the Nostromo to make sure it picks up that beacon and have to explore. Ash knew the entire time what was going to be found and what was going to happen. That is my problem with Aliens, it blatantly ignores this. In Alien, Dallas says that the science officer they shipped out with was replaced with Ash just days before leaving Thedus. Plus special order 937 says "Nostromo re-routed to new co-ordinates". So the company already knew about the derelict as they decoded the beacon before the Nostromo set out back to Earth.
I'm guessing only a few people may be alive or know of the existence of the alien by the time of Alien. Probably information recorded from the Prometheus/Covenant expeditions. I think it's been telegraphed who the connection might be in those films (he also didn't create the alien from the first).
They would *have* had the xenomorph.
Would *of* had the xenomorph is incorrect.
It's a common error because of the contraction would've (would have).
If you consider the events of Alien: Isolation to be canon, then the beacon got turned off by Captain Marlow. And the company wouldn’t have known where exactly the ship was, so it all makes sense.
@Főfasírozó Both Prometheus and Covenant were made by the same person who made the original Alien film, so they ARE canon as far as anyone is concerned unless Ridley Scott himself says otherwise. Sorry dude but the guy who created the films has more say on what's canon than a nobody on a random youtube comment chain ;)
Found this to be extremely fun and interesting to think about, love the idea. One "what if" scenario that interests me is what would have happened to Shaw if David had died at the hands of the engineer on the juggernaut and she was left marooned on LV223 along with the Deacon.
Very interesting theory. Well done. I was thinking of another possibility if Ash didn't interfere like he did and if Dallas decided to go with the quarantine procedure.
If the 24 hour quarantine went through without any interference and problems, the Facehugger would have implanted the Xeno in Kane and die. Then, if Ripley and the crew was quick, they would bring Kane inside the ship and freeze him before the ChestBurster was fully grown. Ash would be successful in carrying out his Special Order without any loss of life. Except Kane but that'll be when the Company does their 'studies' on him and the Xenomorph.
Then again, Ash would still let Kane in to the ship to complete his Special Order breaking quarantine. Again, without having any of the crew killed. Just when the Facehugger finishes implanting the Xenomorph inside Kane, he would secretly scan Kane to see what the Facehugger did and find the developing ChestBurster inside him. He would recommend to freeze Kane immediately to 'prevent a spread of possible infection' throughout the ship.
Then, the crew would go on their 10 month journey home. Ash would have himself wake up a little early and inform the Company that he has the organism and they are on route back and to be ready. The crew would possibly be debriefed and would go on about their lives while Ash and the Company would study Kane and the Xenomorph.
Keeping the crew alive is too much of a risk. Ash would find a way to kill the crew in hypersleep, then jettison the bodies.
@@NemeanLion- Then make up any story he liked. True.
👌🏼 Informative as usual. And you should do a video on Alien 3, “What if Newt and Hicks survived the crash on Fury 161?”
Alpha Crusaders well technically alien 3 is not canon
Andrew Carpinella Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection, Prometheus, and now Covenant, are all Canon. Idk why you think Alien 3 isn’t canon dude
Everything after Aliens is trash, so it doesn't matter if they're cannon or not 🤦♂️.
Death in her sleep would have been much easier then what those prisoners( convicted rapists half of them) would have done to Newt, had she survived...
To each their own. Not gonna disrespect you or anything for finding Resurrection great, but to me, it just didn't hit home after Aliens. Alien 3 with that CGI disaster was just terrible, the characters lack luster, and plenty other things I'd prefer not going into. Resurrection felt more like a Predator movie; they tried adding in humor and "steamy" scenes, which just wasn't my cup of tea. Had the Xenomorphs, but it didn't feel like an Alien movie at all. More like some B-Grade action film. Not the "all-time horror classic" I know and love.
Not to mention, it continued with the trope; "An Alien Movie Isn't an Alien Movie Without Ripley." Honestly, Aliens would've been a great conclusion. Maybe Alien 3 could've been about Amanda or something. Hell, even after Alien 3, they should've just been done with Ripley's character. Without a doubt, Alien 3 and Resurrection are the two worst films in the franchise.
Fantastic as always. I'd like to see a what if regarding the Alien Queen/egg never getting on board the Sulaco.
Or how about if David doesn't become a crazy asshole after Prometheus and decides to change himself for the better in his journey with Shaw.
42ndStreetMatthew By the logic of Aliens, it shouldn’t have been there. Unfortunately , they had to break continuity to make the story of Alien 3.
The Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is actually my favorite out of the whole series so this What If scenario actually isn't some attempt to throw shade at the film. Don't forget I mentioned the queen in general, not just the egg.
42ndStreetMatthew I like Alien 3 as well (even though it’s a terribly dreary movie), I just hated how they manufactured an instigating event (how would the Queen manage to stow away an egg without either Bishop, Newt, or Ripley noticing?). That being said, I’m sure the “what if” scenario would have led to a happy ending for all, with absolutely no way to make a sequel, so I know why they put the egg on the Sulaco.
I wish they had just put the egg inside the landing gear where the queen hid. Would've been an easy fix.
What if "The Thing" from John Carpenter made it to the main land?
Do you know "When Day Breaks"?
Total world infection in 72,000 hours?
What if the Norwegians were able to shoot?
If Ripley followed quarantine, the Alien would have been birthed, with nowhere to hide, the burster would have been vulnerable. After the initial shock, Dallas or Lambert would have opened the airlock, and it likely would have run to hide somewhere close, likely still on the ship. After quarantine, they would have been allowed back on the ship, and scanned for embryos, turning up negative. Once taken off, the beast would have went into hibernation somewhere on the ship. The crew returns to hyper sleep, and on to earth, after jettisoning Kane's body as it was in the movie. Somehow, MUTHR knows the creature is still attached to the ship, and sends an encrypted message back to WY. The ship is held at a WY checkpoint in the outer planets, the crew is debriefed and sent back to earth on a shuttle that can take all but 3 of the Nostromo crew, Ripley, Dallas, and Parker draw the short straws, and await another cargo transport expected within 3 days. WY reps find the hibernating beast, and capture it in a stasis pod for study. Shit goes wrong, and cue 'Alien' to happen anyway.
Couldn't they have secured themselves and opened the outer airlock and flushed the little bastard in to space?
Dallas steps on the chest burster, the blood corrodes a hole through the bulkhead and they become permanently marooned, dying after running out of resources.
They probably already had the coordinates. Ash was a last minute addition to the crew, replacing the regular science officer which is highly unusual. Ripley even comments on this. This indicates Weyland-Yutani was already aware of the situation before the crew even left on their journey. Ash was also likely in semi-regular contact with WY.
5:54 the face hugger had burned it's way through the helmet, if it falls off and dies outside the hatch, so would Kane with a huge hole in the helmet
I guess if Ripley had convinced Parker and Brett to return to Earth the first crews on Earth to board the Nostromo would have a bit of a shock when they opened the airlock. One body with a hole in its chest, Dallas and Lambert eviscerated all over the walls, and a giant xenomorph who has just seen its first food in 10 months.
All that assuming they didn't kill the chestburster in the airlock. If they did they may well have caused acid damage which could have compromised the integrity of the lock. If there was no acid damage, they would have starved to death, perhaps even resorting to cannibalism with Kane's body. Dark, I know lol
The arguments are convincing about the outcome. However, at that outcome, the three victim is more than necessary. Dallas and Lambert must not be infected, because their suits were still intact, so no quarantine law would prohibit them to get into the ship. And also a chest burster never tries to combat if not necessary, it endeavours to hide until it grows adult. So after they witnessed the violent birth of the xenomorph, they could immediately go to the dropship, and leave the whole monstrosity behind, because the chest burster wouldn't attack them. It would have been a kind of "happier" and in the Alien franchise.
The book addresses that. There was concern that the creature could be shedding a virus or some sort of spores that could infect the ship. The fact that Kane was in direct contact with it made it more apparent, but even if they had caught the facehugger safely and walked up to the ship without it attacking anyone, quarantine still would have been enforced on all four of them
My first thought would be that you wouldn't have this cool channel on yt. Thx for all you do.
DUDE where has this channel been hiding? I love the editing, the music, the writing, omg man
I just smashed sub and the bell so fuckin hard my mouse is broken.
*Also,I
You get a very short film : )
seriously though, been binge watching your channel on an Alien vibe, great stuff
I love watching these videos. The theories are great and thought-provoking. Also, your voice is soothing. I’m always relaxed watching these.
Then we wouldnt have had a movie
Problem solved! Series over.
Sir Dave my exact thoughts
Sir Dave You would still have a movie it would just be different. Since capturing the creature would still be a thing. Also more interaction between the crew about where they stand.
Yes, Ash would release some other androids hidden inside the Nostromo who would attack the crew and take one of them back to the alien ship to be face hugged so they could get a specimen back thru quarantine. But since the Force was with Ripley, she would kill them all using a light saber!
Would make an interesting drama
I LOVED this 'what if" video, please do more!! so interesting to see your perspective and to read comments of others perspectives
Nice video, what if hicks ane newt survived and went with the xenomorph con Alíen 3?
Umm...not sure i wanna go in depth on a pre-teen girl around 30ish rapists.
Might not be such a big change.
But besides that i have to say...Hicks isn't going to change much. He was fairly wounded to start, maybe providing more tactical acumen.... Not great shakes. Newt might survive better on Fury 161 ironically with smaller size and knowing how to hide. Aaaand then they die anyway when Weyland Yutani show up and...silence...the witnesses. Morse his a convicted felon, not really a danger if he talks. Hicks is a marine, if he talks to the wrong people WY is finished.
Alien 3 is just fan fiction anyway.
I remember, they tried to rape Ripley until Dillon (Charles Dutton) beat the shit out of them. They feared Dillon.
Please do a 'what would happen if Brett and Parker got their way concerning the bonus situation?' video.
In a way, Ash is right in his reasoning; rule makers do draw up their rules and regulations in relative comfort and safety, in the field, sometimes you have to think on your feet, outside the box, it's how you get through it all...
Parker: We are not a rescue mission.
Ash and Dallas: You make a persuasive argument.
Roll credits.
It's probably safe to say, that if the quarantine had been enforced and the Alien had exited Kane's body, it would not have escaped the airlock, or the Dallas would have opened the exterior door and it would have left the Nostromo. The nature of the airlock means that it could not have escaped on to the ship itself. If it had been injured enough to bleed and create an hole, it would probably have been a fatal wound to a creature of its size (upon hatching). It looks far too small to seriously harm Dallas and Lambert. Without something to feed upon (and we can only assume that there were organic substances it could consume on the Nostromo), it seems unlikely that the Alien could have grown to a large enough size to be a threat. For growth to occur, it must ingest something. The mass has to come from somewhere. If Ripley had been obeyed, the body count on the Nostromo could have been just ONE.
The breaking of quarantine procedure is a brilliant scene and so well written that it throws up the "what if?" scenario.
After the chestbuster comes out of Kane, there's no way it would attack Dallas and Lambert. Just like in the dinner scene, it was smart enough to make its escape because it knows its definitely way too small and vulnerable. It has to get away and allow itself to grow bigger and stronger. Dallas and Lambert might have killed it, but even if they missed, it would have escaped. Then it might have come back later after it grows bigger, although its not sure how much time that takes, probably several hours. Meanwhile with Kane dead, Ripley would still force the others to stay outside for the 24 hour quarantine. During that time, its anyone's guess whether or not the alien would come back to attack. If Dallas and Lambert are in the inner lock hatch, the alien would probably not be able to get to them, and they could wait out the 24 hours. But if they are on the outside, and if the alien comes back, they may very well wind up getting killed.
I think that only Kane would die, and its not sure whether or not Ash reveals his true colors. But either way, the Nostromo goes back to Earth, and Weyland-Yutani has the ships data, coordinates, etc., everything he needs to send an investigation crew to LV426. Ash would know that this information is just as important as obtaining a specimen and bringing it back. I'm absolutely positive that if Ash couldn't bring one back, all this other info would be just as valuable to The Company. From there, humans getting involved with the aliens, it'd be game over for our species.
Except that completely ignores the fact that The Company ALREADY KNOWS where the planet is. Furthermore, this ignores the fact that Weyland manages to get specimens anyway at a later date. Whether or not the alien gets on the Nostromo changes nothing except crew survival.
@@Gustav_Kuriga Except that Wayland Yutani did not know the exact coordinates of the planetoid with the Xeno. They know that it has to be somewhere in that sector (likely because they received the signal and did encode it), but there was a small problem. The lost ship nostromo and crew had shattered the image of Wayland Yutani and also did cost billions of dollars. The signal also got deactivated, so there it was getting very hard to locate the excat location of the planetoid. That is why WY started to terraform in that sector. They could sell it as "building better worlds" to the public and where secretly searching for the location of the Xeno infected ship.
Alien Isolation does pick up some parts of it "the black history part of WY about the loss of the nostromo and it's crew" and that it also caused a strong financial damage. The company also did not like to talk about this incident
What if this TH-cam channel did not exist? Answer: we would still had unresolved questions because of the magic of this saga.
I've just dipped into your content today while very hungover. I'm not gonna lie, your stuff is brilliant.
I have always enjoyed the use of color and dirt in the original: black for the dirty, lower class....white for the company. The difference between the room 'Mother' resided compared to the rest of the ship. Absolutely brilliant!
I love what if videos! Thank you
Magnificent sequence, brilliant and thought-provoking. If I were in Ripley's shoes, I would probably haven taken the risk and not complied with the quarantine procedure: human life is sacred, I wouldn't let my friends die.
I do have something gnawing my mind for so many many years... were WYC aware of the Xenomorph lifeform BEFORE the events of Alien 1979 ? I mean, I may answer my own question here with the proofs of Ash presence and purpose to gather intel and the specimen at all cost but how did WYC got to know about that alien signal? Was this planned to be shown after the evens of Covenant? Why did they simply sent them space truckers to investigate? To evaluate the deadliness of the xenomorph specimen? Wouldn't they had been more efficient in dispatching a pure scientific vessel instead?
Even if I disliked Covenant a lot, I do hope we'll get to see how post Covenant and Alien 1979 bridge together!
I thought that the company's prime directive was a secret order issued to all flight androids on all their craft in case any of them ever encountered EBEs. It doesn't imply that Wetland Corps knew in advance of the organism on LV426.
As always this is a very elaborated video, really glad to watch this one. You should do this case scenario often!!!
And since you asked, I'm pretty sure this one was already asked several times but:
"What if humans actually tamed/controlled Xenomorphs and used they like bioweapons?"
Thank you for your ever hard work!
"Life finds a way"
Quite. Which is why I'm not interested in Prometheus and Covenant.
100% agree ;DYour reasoning, more specifically its result, is actually hilarious! I never had thought that through, but this secret order screwed up everything! You're right, they would have enough time, could keep it relatively secret AND no one would be questioning their motives. Cuz, these procedures were probably triggered and used a few times before - just not with something as dangerous as these xenomorphs.
They would have kept their asses in quarantine. "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." - Spock.
I would’ve said “ Bring the damned auto doc to the airlock and treat them there!”
One thing I have consistently noticed in a lot of sci-fi, in fact, I want to say that the only one I’ve seen it apparently done right was Final Fantasy: the spirits within, is why are there no emergency medical alcoves located right next to the freaking airlocks for specifically that sort of thing. Seems that sick bay is located right smack in the heart of every single ship/space space in almost every science fiction universe.
Going on a bit of a rant here, particularly as this sort of situation is something of a cliché in sci-fi these days, but when you’re in the true unknown like space, you can’t just write some heartless rule and expect people to follow it (in fact cliché seems to be at least one person won’t) yet human nature, nor apparently time factor for medical emergencies, is never taken into account in starship design. Hell, in Star Trek it’s even joked about with the site to site transport from the surface of an unknown planet directly to sickbay, but even then that’s more of a time issue than a quarantine procedure (yeah, I know, transporter supposed to filter out biological pathogen’s, but there’s been episodes were doesn’t pull it off).
I think if the Nostromo had a medical alcove located right next to the airlock, even accessible via side door in the airlock, everyone would’ve been happy (except ash) and they would’ve been able to flush the chest burster as soon as it popped out.
I sincerely hope that the spaceship architects of the future take human psychology 101 as part of the required courses in starship design.
What if... Sir Ridley Scott had directed Alien 2. That would also be an interesting "what if" to think about. If alien hadn't fallen into the hands of Cameron, it wouldn't have been called "xenomorph", its life cycles including a queen wouldn't have been contrived, and it wouldn't have been portrayed as mindless insects/bugs, and the alien franchise as we know it would be totally different.
For Ash, if "all other considerations were rescinded," and if Ripley's authorization were required, and if he couldn't convince her... Well, then I would think he'd just murder everyone else inside but her, then force her to open the door, then kill her, then kill Dallas and Lambert once they had boarded.
3:05 -> "We can design starships that are emergency proof, stupidity proof even, but we can't design systems that could prevent a deliberate sabotage"
-Some quote from 2001 Space Odyssey
That is... if the xenomorph didn't hide in the Nostromo's landing gear before it takes off and everything goes more or less as it did originally.
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I would have x rayed Kane after he woke up instead of assuming that a creature that stuck to his face, kept him alive and then just left him and died for no obvious reason. Ripley was smart and thinking outside the box but this was a rookie and and highly unlikely chain of events upon Kane waking. I know it was necessary to move the plot on, but this is the only stupid part in Alien for me. Still one of the scariest and brilliant films ever, the whole film is a rollercoaster ride of anxiety and fear. Not many films can achieve this for the full movie, we only catch a break the moment Kane wakes and after the Alien is ejected from the airlock.
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How about a "What If?" exploring Ripley, Newt, Hicks, and Bishop ALL surviving the crash on Fiorina 161?
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What if Kane hadn't been so careless when examining the eggs and facehugger didn't attach itself to Kane. How would the exploration team proceed?
Even if so, there is a chance that one of the eggs would have opened and the facehugger inside would have chased after Kane and eventually impregnate him
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great. i would like more "what if?" videos.
Your analysis is spot on and very precise. Had Ripley had here way the aliens would have made to earth and eventually failed containment.
Great video,....however: A 'casualty' is when one is in a medically required/treated status and returning to full status after recuperation. A 'fatality' is where someone is deceased -and also Captain Dallas never gave Ash an order to follow
Overlooks one fact: While they were in the airlock Dallas and Lambert had their environment suits; Kane didn't. When the facehugger dropped off Kane, he would have been asphyxiated since the airlock wasn't pressurized. Whether the chestburster would have survived would have depended upon whether it would have been able to attack Dallas or Lambert and usurp their environment suits, or whether the chestburster, free of Kane, would be able to force its way into the pressurized area of the ship.
Parker had a chance to torch the alien, but instead tried to tackle it, Big Mistake😵
I always wondered how Dallas and Lambert were able to rescue Kane from the cargo hold with the eggs without disturbing other face huggers. Also, how did they transport him back to the ship?
They never had to go down there. Kane was on a tether, so when something went wrong, they likely reeled him back up.
They probably carried Kane by slinging his arms over their shoulders. It probably was a long, tiring, and laboring trip back which was why they really wanted back on the ship (along with being scared themselves and also being concerned for Kane) despite the quarantine rules.
Love this film, still holds up and it still makes you think it was made yesterday.
Me: "You expect me to obey you even when it's against the law?"
Dallas: "You're God damn right."
Me: "Then, by all means, expect away."
@Qwfwq66 Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You have to decide whether to think like a citizen or think like a first officer. I tell you now, I'd real deal with the tribunal then go to prison and/or have blood on my hands. Ripley did the right thing.
If memory serves; the novelization mentions Ash reminding Ripley, after she deciphers the signal as a warning, and when she's about to go out after Dallas, Kane and Lambert. That, should anything happen; with four crew members off the ship, they would be below minimum take off capability.
So, with that in mind. If quarantine had been followed with Ash eventually trying force the issue and being revealed as a synthetic, and then rendered inoperable. And with the landing party stuck in airlock, and all succumbing to the birthing Alien, and what may follow. That would leave only the Chief Engineer, his second and one Bridge officer. The Nostromo wouldn't be going anywhere, and they'd be stranded on LV 246.
Now finding themselves in a similar situation to the derelict. They would now have to secure the Nostromo, activate the ships distress beacon, and then put themselves into hyper-sleep to await rescue. And then pray that any rescue party doesn't, on landing, visit the derelict first.
What you depict here is a very realistic version, this would be a great way to do a reboot of the series at some point, because even with this Alien 2 would still happen
Why didn't they run the transmission through ECIU before setting off for the derelict?
7:11 Three survivors Ripley, Parker, Brett
Jonesy the Cat: *NANDATO?!?!?!?!*
Great alteration video! 👍👍
So Ash was responsible for the company not having the alien all this time
Great Job ! loved it.
What if literally all they had for defense in the atmospheric processor was harsh language?
Game over Man!
I liked you idea that Ash would try to open to door and let Dallas and the rest in but Ripley already overrode the controls and the door would not open with her override. The three would remain in the airlock for the quarantined 24 hours and follow their quarantine procedure and increase the suspense of the movie. The face hugger would keep Kane alive for that 24 hours. The extra time would allow the creature to grow and things would make more sense with a better time line. Then the movie would proceed like it did.
Alien had such a deep impact on me as a boy.
20 years later I named my son Kane.
Now look at my surname 😁
I'd like to point out the fact that, had Ash had been anything other than the science officer / medic, the whole mission would have been scrubbed!
It poses the bigger question of how much the company knew beforehand, and afterward.
Ash trying to say that emotions and feelings should be used to make decisions over established rules is absolutely baffling. That's literally what you don't want to do because there's a pretty good chance it's gonna be the wrong decision.
Fantastic video man can you do what if Elizabeth shaw oram and walter live in alien covenant?
This is why I love the first two films so much. You care so much about what's going on that you ask questions like this. Good writing and engaging characters. Unlike the new Ridley Scott "films". What a mess.
Honestly, I can understand why they would break quarantine in entering the ship and getting Kane into the medical bay. I just don't get why they wouldn't follow the quarantine once inside the medical bay and the condition is stabilised - since everyone was in agreement with the quarantine part, just not putting Kane's life against it. Like basically why wouldn't they still do the quarantine just inside the medical bay instead of going "oh yeah well, that alien thing that put you in a coma fell off your face, so lets all go and have lunch together in the canteen"
""Open the pod bay doors Ripley!"
"Sorry, Dallas I can't do that!"
Wait, wrong space epic! :D
Nice video, but i've a few points.
Unless the Outer Lock was properly pressurized, Kane would have died the second the Facehugger fell off and LV-426's atmosphere entered his lungs, but assuming otherwise, a Chestburster doesn't grow so fast that it can overpower two grown humans and carry them back to the Derelict (if it can even tell where it is in the first place) before they can come up with some countermeasure. It is still a potentially lethal threat, but not the guaranteed death sentence that it poses in it's adult stage, especially when it would be a simple matter to open the Outer Lock and let it escape outside, reseal it and let Dallas and Lambert back in - or keep them in the airlock for the rest of the 24 hours if deemed absolutely necessary, but i'm sure at that point Ripley would relent and and open the inner lock for them, in face of the danger lurking just a bulkhead away. Either way, sacrificing Dallas and Lambert seems a pretty unrealistic extreme, especially when Ripley herself was willing to suit up and go out there to warn them that the Acoustic Beacon wasn't a distress call.
Likelier scenario would be that once the Chestburster was purged out the Outer Lock, the Nostromo would take off to ensure it wouldn't remain latched to it's outer hull, Dallas and Lambert would be let back in to square off some tension with Ripley and they'd eventually return home. The real hiccup is the Xenomorph's durability. The Novelization describes it as popping like a balloon when exposed to the vacuum of Space, but Isolation portrays them as much more durable, and able to endure and even function a long time under the same circumstances. Even so, i find it unlikely that it would survive the ten month trip back to Earth on the Nostromo's outer hull, but it'd still be a short time before WY sent back a real mission to retrieve every egg on that Derelict.
That would mean Ellen and Amanda Ripley on a infested Earth. It could make a good story. Ripley is one of the few who would realize what they were up against but would be opposed by Weyland Yutani. Ash could be a even more awesome villain in this scenario.
I always thought Ash would've set his cryotube to open a few moments after the others went under. He then would've went back to the planet alone, collected a batch of eggs then opened the other tubes before they awoke and just long enough to let them get facehugged. He then would've sealed the tubes and set a course back to the company, probably to a blacksite, and then turned over the cryotubes to W-Y. They'd probably then set the Nostromo off into deep space and to eventually crash somewhere, where it would simply be declared lost with all hands. Ash would then likely either be destroyed, allowed to help with xeno research or be memory wiped, have his identity changed and be sent back into service somewhere none the wiser.
The facehugger burned through kanes helmet to attach. Once it comes off and he's exposed to the methane environment wouldn't he just die? Would the chestburster be able to develop in a corpse?
Cool video. The only thing I would add is that it is (and continues to be when taking all other films into account) unknown exactly how long the gestation process is. There is really no telling how long it was between facehugger attack and chestburster, especially in the original film. My interpretation is that it was longer than 24 hours, so keeping Cain and the rest in quarantine would have likely not prevented the eventual release of the xenomorph into the Nostromo anyway. Thoughts?
I might have let Cain onboard but I would have insisted on some form of quarantine and isolation. Sealing the medbay, or insisting he be kept on the shuttle. This is a space ship, it has fun things like airlocks and docking tubes. The moment that chest popper ripped out, vent to space and problem gone.
When Ash said, ‘you do your job and let me do mine.’ This is always enraged me, because Ash didn’t let Ripley do hers.
Odd and interesting that in Prometheus, the crew did not really fight at all with Meredith Vickers denying entry. In fact that one guy who David infected even volunteer to be lit up.
As Mother hindered the self-destruct efforts, the computer may have also been able to prevent leaving until the secret order was fulfilled.
Love this what if! I always think about how things could be changed. What if you were watching the movie and you were transported to different moments in the film. How could your fore knowledge of events change things? What would happen to you in these scenarios? For better or worse. Hey! I have this dvd we need to watch before we go down to the planet :)
that was an excellent vid Alien Theory good what if
Ash doesn’t open the door.
Alien comes out.
Grabs Dallas and Lambert.
Takes them back to the eggs.
Now there’s three aliens.
Nostromo crew instructed to wait.
17 hours later, company research and development scout team arrives. 26 members.
Ripley, Parker, Dean detained and used for research. Cat eliminated.
2 days later there are six aliens.
6 days later communication with scout team is lost.
11 days later a 791 employee mobile laboratory arrives.
etc., etc.
Answer: The Nostromo would still be a scary ship without the alien on board. I mean seriously, did you see some of the rooms of that ship? I'd carry a flame thrower with me on that ship everywhere I'd go even if I knew for sure there was nothing on the ship that would harm me. Especially the rooms where Brett gets taken and the deleted scene where Ripley finds Dallas and Brett cocooned. The fact that the crew walks around these areas nonchalantly before the alien's arrival boggles my mind. They did a good job making the Nostromo a major character in the film.
Man I have to see alien and aliens again, amazing movies.
I believe if the scenario happened the way you're saying, mentally Ripley would've been tormented about having to leave Dallas and the rest behind.