Alien Covenant should be mandatory viewing for recruitment teams so they don't hire mentally deficient people to go on potentially dangerous space expeditions.
That and Prometheus. Lesson - ALWAYS send a warship. (In fairness to the crew of Covenant, their decision to change destinations was not without justification; what happened after they got there, though, was one clusterfuck after another.)
But Paradise was an unsurveyed planet. They should have at least sent some kind of survey drone or Walter down to the planet first to run some tests. All of it could have been avoided if they had taken simple precautions.
Like I said, once they got there it was one clusterfuck after another. The novelisation explicitly states that they did run scans, and gives explanations afterwards as to why these erroneously showed no danger. But not waiting until the storm had cleared and then doing a proper surface survey (which would have revealed the Engineer city strewn with corpses and told everyone quite clearly that going down there was a huge fucking no-no) was an unforgivable mistake.
Ash is the most under appreciated villain in history. Completely overshadowed by the alien, but Ash was the real monster. The alien quite simply had no morality.
Andrew Lowery yes and no. It’s clear that androids in that universe were built with emotions. Ash is a caricature of a psychopath who will use anyone to get his way.
STATEMENT : Ash was just following orders. The Xenomorph is just following its natural urges to survive and a crew with flamethrowers are a threat, so the xenomorph needed to terminate the meatbags.
Actually I think Ash was just as much a victim of the company as the rest of the crew. He was sent to ensure the delivery of the alien, at the cost of the crew if necessary. Consider this, Ash, like any robot and particularly one serving as the medical officer, was programmed with something akin to Asmiov's Three Laws to protect humans under his care, and it was this paradox brought on by his mission clashing with his programming that resulted in his freak out where he attacked Ripley. And it isn't until he can't deny the truth to Ripley that he breaks. That's why he admires the alien. Because, unlike him, it is "unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality."
Ripley had that dream where she got infected, the last we see of jones is when Ripley has decided to go with the marines 'and you, you little shit head are staying here' I just hope someone was around to feed him
One of the creepiest things about Weyland Yutani is the fact that they continue where they leave off no matter how long it’s been. How they dispassionately haunt people.
The creepiest thing is, or rather the most ghastly thing, is no matter how many folks die, no matter how godawful Weyland-Yutani’s failed plans, lives lost in its tries to acquire and control the Xenomorph. It cannot help but try again
@@BigBadJerryRogersIt's just capitalism running its course. Bottom lines and shareholder returns. The fundamental force of nature isn't gravity or nuclear or electromagnetic etc, the fundamental force in nature is avarice
@Qwfwq66 But Kane was still alive. If he was already dead, incinerating him would make more sense. Then again, according to Captain Dallas, Ash had the final say on what to do with the facehugger specimen because the Company gave him that authority.
Seems like one of the only people on that ship with common sense was Parker. They should have froze Kane once they stupidly let him on the ship. Dallas was a lousy captain btw.
@@maaaatt The captain of any ship, whether sea or air has absolute say and responsibility over the lives of the people on said ship. In any universe, the science officer would bow to the orders of the ship captain.
Very enjoyable 👍. I'd like to see a 'what if Hicks went back for Vasquez instead of Gorman?' Hicks full pulse rifle, takes down multiple aliens and pulls Vasquez out. No Gorman grenade, they don't lost Newt and all escape in the lift to the surface and the drop ship with Bishop. No going back for Newt, no alien Queen fight, no egg on board, no malfunction, no ejected pods, no Alien 3 and no Alien Resurrection!
@@Cybermat47Discuss it? It would have been finally resolved! Equal shares for everyone! Had they made it, they would have been the working class heroes the future needed! 😭
ok as a former member of the US navy there are real world paralles to the quaritine that was in alien and they are in place for very good reasons and any captin or crewman that would break quaritine would find them selves in front of a court marshal board
I am suprised that there was no security detail on the ship. Because of the hazards that might come. But it is the same for cargo ships. Still suprised that there is no security detail on those ship's
Frankly I'd like to believe that Hell, or whatever is on the other side, has accounted for everything, including xenomorphs, and has something specific in mind for whatever crosses into its territory. If the xenomorph wasn't driven insane and made even more dangerous by its experiences, the hellscape might actually prove capable of traumatizing it to a point of docility that would see it huddling in the corner of some isolated dark space and afraid of even an encounter with humans.
Here's the thing I don't understand about Weyland-Yutani: in both the comics and in-universe, it's established that humanity is branching out light years from home and can even terraform planets within a generation or two... *_so why the hell would you bring such dangerous/unknown specimens directly onto Earth?!_* A space station, a hollowed-out asteroid, a hidden base on Mars or the Moon or where ever...That way, if anything goes wrong, *_no one finds out about it._* Doesn't that make more sense? Not only is it safer in case you lose containment, but it's safer from prying eyes as well. I never got the whole thing of absolutely NEEDING to take the xenomorphs back to Earth. You don't have to, and it's just too big of a risk to Weyland-Yutani... as the Earth War comic shows.
In this kind of story some bad guy have to make the Aliens a threat to humanity even if it meant that they take stupid risks. It's a common flaw with villains in fiction.
This is why I like that Alien 3 idea that has Weyland-Yutani getting an Alien sample and then experimenting with the thing on a prison space station. Thats was way more sensible than going to Earth.
Cost. It would require building highly advanced labs to house the specimen, plus the cost of shipping the materials there, the cost of construction, and the paperwork about what they were studying. Or, they could bring it to Earth, where such facilities already existed, and where no one would think twice about the company suddenly reinforcing its labs.
Ash would have found a way to get it back on somehow since he was programmed to get an organism by the Special Order. He already proved he would kill the crew members to obtain it.
Sarah Pusey The novel Out of the Shadows shows he won’t even let lack of physical form deter him, as he manipulates events from within computer systems to suit his purposes.
Counter-question: What if they had left Cain confined & quarantined in the medical infirmary for 24-hours (especially after the facehugger came off) rather than having dinner with him??
Don't think would have changed anything since eventually the Alien embryo would have escaped medical lab. And crew wouldn't have been aware until far too try destroy it.
@@frankpinmtl That would only have delayed process as embryo linked genetically with Cain. The Nostromo crew would return to Earth. Some years later Outbreak with humanity inflected by aliens.
As great as Alien is, there’s many glaring potholes that should’ve been fleshed out. But they were manageable as a viewer. Aliens, despite its technical praise, had even worse plot holes that makes it infinitely not the greatest sci-fi horror. Alien is much tighter and better overall in my opinion. But the plot holes, such as you’ve identified, makes these two films much more inferior than they had to be.
I don't think Ripley would just live normally without nightmares, I think having left the others to die would probably weigh very heavily on her, and she'd forever live with a sense of guilt.
He gets immediately beaten to death by the marines when they question who let the facehuggers out of their tubes. They would shoot him, but they really need to save the bullets and frankly, Vasquez has some anger she needs to work out
Ripley's being a stickler for the rules indicates her naivety as to exactly how far the company would go to secure a sample for its bio weapons division. Part of the horror here is watching all that come crashing down as she begins to sob uncontrollably after confronting ash in that computer room and realizing that he's been protecting the creature under company orders. Seems this is the first time the company overtly sacrificed a human crew and gave an android full control of a mission. They called the computer Mother but its seems mommy's new roll was to cast away the people and nurture a monster. That's a horror that seemed to go missing in the other films. They were doomed from the very beginning because they were sent to get the creature.
Well first off, no, it wasn't naive. At the time, they had absolutely no way of knowing that the signal was a warning, not a distress signal. They thought they had been directed to help someone in need, and merely figured they got there too late for the people who sent the 'distress' signal. Secondly, and this goes hand in hand with the first point, they had no idea WHAT the facehugger was, much less why anyone would want it for bioweapons, or anything else. Among the possible scenarios, it was considered that it might have some sort of virus, or that it might shed some sort of dangerous spores aboard the ship. The crew were, in fact, puzzled that the facehugger would put Kane in a coma and then work so hard to keep him alive. And finally, Mother was not trying to thwart Ripley in any way. In the scene in question, she had set the self destruct and found Jones and was going to put herself and the cat aboard the shuttle to flee. She discovered the alien was aboard, and tried to stop the self destruct, but she got there too late. It was stated that the timer, which I believe was something like ten minutes, had a five minute window to deactivate, after which NOTHING could stop it from going up when time ran out. Mother's 'failure' to stop the self destruct wouldn't have done anything to protect the creature, it just would have ensured that Ripley and Jones DIDN'T board the shuttle, or launch it, thereby ensuring that all of them, alien included, died when the Nostromo blew up. If anything, Mother was ensuring the destruction of the creature.
@@TheKyrix82 , didn't Dallas and Ash state that any signal of possibly intelligent origin had to be investigated? Full forfeiture of all shares was the penalty, IIRC.
@@spaceflight1019 They did. Because they thought it was a distress signal. Company policy said that when a ship was in distress, the nearest ship had to drop what they were doing and rescue them, and failure to do so resulted in full forfeiture of all shares. But I'm assuming my name was tagged because you hit my reply, because I never implied otherwise.
Great video. I always make arguments that Ripley was an actual smart protagonist and that the alien wouldn't have killed everyone had they freaking listened to her... but this is easily the best counter-argument I've ever seen to that. Sure, she would've saved everyone other than Kane (I don't think a baby chestburster would've been a match for Dallas and Lambert, deleted scenes and the novelization make it clear they have weapons, and there'd be no place for the alien to hide in such a small contained room), but eventually Weyland-Yutani would've gotten to LV426 and Earth would be screwed. Ash, ironically, saved the human race by letting them back on.
In the Dark Horse Comics timeline, which I regard as semi-canonical, the worst happened anyway. As for the baby chestburster, that thing can move pretty fast, and with Lambert screaming her head off as it emerges that's one gun out of the fight. Shoot it and it probably spills acid everywhere, burning both of them very badly. It doesn't end well, whatever happens. At the end of the day, they knew where that alien ship was or they'd never have rerouted the Nostromo there. Disaster was inevitable unless they had set the lab up on LV426 and written off the scientists, never allowing them to leave. That was the only way to be safe with this thing.
@Dawn of the Dad Yeah, it is an exaggeration, they are just pretentious movies, they're still fun to watch if you don't care about the Alien canon and can overlook the stupidity of the characters, especially in Covenant
I think Ash probably would have killed or hurt her in some way to fulfill the secret programming in Mother regarding the return of the specimens over the lives of the crew. Let's face it synthetics are crazy and homicidal in a bell curve that starts with David rises to Ash and then tapers off into Walter and Bishop. Keep up the good work as always AT! I'll keep watching from the off-world colonies.
Found this to be extremely fun and interesting to think about, love the idea. One "what if" scenario that interests me is what would have happened to Shaw if David had died at the hands of the engineer on the juggernaut and she was left marooned on LV223 along with the Deacon.
3? 1. And he would have died anyway. As soon as the baby popped the top, it would scurry off, likely away from the ship. I'm pretty sure it took longer than 24 hours to reach full size, so they would have been clear to board the ship by then, and left it in the dust. That being said, the book is vague about the timetable, but I think the gestation would have taken longer than 24 hours too...so it might not have made any difference in the end, and might have helped Ash keep his cover.
@Qwfwq66 Actually, they have incredibly short lifespans, so odds are it wouldn't delay laying. What it delayed on was detaching, staying on to act as an air filter into Kane was back in his own atmosphere. IT makes no sense biologically not to lay the egg immediately, because something can potentially be done to remove the hugger otherwise. Look at Resurrection, Ripley 8 was strong enough to rip the legs off and throw it off her face. 8 may have been a hybrid, but who's to say other species like that don't exist? No, it laid the egg in the bay.
This isn't a Star Trek computer. Her ability to know, or do, things is extremely limited. Unless someone went into her room and typed it in, she would be powerless to even know what was going on.
@@TheKyrix82 You're right to a point, though I feel that it may have been possible for Ash to secretly interface with mother as we have seen other androids do with computer systems throughout the series and get the crew on board regardless.
AI in the Alien universe has been very schizophrenic, mainframes showing little to zero actual intelligence, with synthetics being arguably truly self-aware. I don't think MUTHR would have been able to do a thing, at the most temporarily delaying their departure by being fiddly with the engineering bits.
I don't know why no one other then Ash figured that the face hugger was putting something into Cain. Cain should have went straight to the freezer as soon as the face hugger came off his face, quarenteened. I know I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near Cain knowing he had that thing on his face.
Jordan Tucker well, her cryo chamber had already started to degrade,according to the novel. No human had ever been frozen that long. Any longer than a certain point and the body starts to fail. So she'd of died anyway real soon out there.
prom night Dumpster baby the result could be her " put your name here" could burst whit defect but still manage to survive as if her body stop function the queen could ave a natural reflexes to exit a dying body and prepared the ship whit her eggs, as it was probably the alien queen larva that ave keep her alive in the first place the story is mostly just be the same whitout plot explanation that was like all of the movie...
GazB85 soooo many alien how keep a track of what is what even marvel is at risk of the same fate, is it happen during wen or what and is it in the remake/ prequel or just a bad sci-fi ripoff, I though that even blunt-man and chronic was a dc movie because Ben Aflec and mat Damon are in the movie... Or I ave watch Jay and Bob contre attack drunk during a marvel Marathon or it was on tv and my Netflix was off, srl I am to only one to get lost about what I can remember I know more the name of a marvel movie cast that the name and age of my little brothers and I am the older one...
Yes what would have happened when the marines went to the colony if ripley wasn't there, I think they'd have all died after the first attack in the cooling towers because they saw Apone was still alive and wanted to rescue him it was ripley that told them not to because he's already all cocooned up. I think they'd have all gone back in and died.
I believe that it was both Diedrich and Apone that were still alive. I read the novel a very long time ago, but I think Hudson says it's both of them even in the movie.
Then we wouldn't have gotten such a great movie-masterpiece. I think Ash would attack Ripley no matter what. He's as scary as xenomorph itself. Thanks for another brilliant video dear
But they already knew the co-ordinates to begin with. It is made quite clear in the first film that they re-routed the Nostromo to make sure it picks up that beacon and have to explore. Ash knew the entire time what was going to be found and what was going to happen. That is my problem with Aliens, it blatantly ignores this. In Alien, Dallas says that the science officer they shipped out with was replaced with Ash just days before leaving Thedus. Plus special order 937 says "Nostromo re-routed to new co-ordinates". So the company already knew about the derelict as they decoded the beacon before the Nostromo set out back to Earth.
I'm guessing only a few people may be alive or know of the existence of the alien by the time of Alien. Probably information recorded from the Prometheus/Covenant expeditions. I think it's been telegraphed who the connection might be in those films (he also didn't create the alien from the first).
If you consider the events of Alien: Isolation to be canon, then the beacon got turned off by Captain Marlow. And the company wouldn’t have known where exactly the ship was, so it all makes sense.
@Főfasírozó Both Prometheus and Covenant were made by the same person who made the original Alien film, so they ARE canon as far as anyone is concerned unless Ridley Scott himself says otherwise. Sorry dude but the guy who created the films has more say on what's canon than a nobody on a random youtube comment chain ;)
Very interesting theory. Well done. I was thinking of another possibility if Ash didn't interfere like he did and if Dallas decided to go with the quarantine procedure. If the 24 hour quarantine went through without any interference and problems, the Facehugger would have implanted the Xeno in Kane and die. Then, if Ripley and the crew was quick, they would bring Kane inside the ship and freeze him before the ChestBurster was fully grown. Ash would be successful in carrying out his Special Order without any loss of life. Except Kane but that'll be when the Company does their 'studies' on him and the Xenomorph. Then again, Ash would still let Kane in to the ship to complete his Special Order breaking quarantine. Again, without having any of the crew killed. Just when the Facehugger finishes implanting the Xenomorph inside Kane, he would secretly scan Kane to see what the Facehugger did and find the developing ChestBurster inside him. He would recommend to freeze Kane immediately to 'prevent a spread of possible infection' throughout the ship. Then, the crew would go on their 10 month journey home. Ash would have himself wake up a little early and inform the Company that he has the organism and they are on route back and to be ready. The crew would possibly be debriefed and would go on about their lives while Ash and the Company would study Kane and the Xenomorph.
One What Ifs that I've wondered about with the Alien series is what would happen if Hick, Newt and Bishop survived with Ripley on Fury 161, whether that'd be more of a disturbance to the prisoners
One possible scenario that would have probably saved the lives of everyone except Cain, is to do what Parker suggested after Cain was brought back on board with the facehugger. He said "Why don't you guys freeze him?" That would have made the most sense. Freeze Cain and the facehugger until they got back to earth. While Cain would have still died, the rest of the crew would have been saved.
While that may have saved the crew, it would have doomed earth. By allowing the alien on to the ship and killing all apart from Ripley, earth was saved for a good 300 odd years from the alien menace. That's until the events of alien: sea of sorrows.
Maybe the facehuggers provide a slurry of the compounds used to produce the embryo inside the host body, rather than just depositing the embryo directly. Or perhaps in its initial stage the embryo is no bigger than a marble.
If i recall correctly in the novelization they saw a blotch of the embryo on the scanner the auto-doc was using to peer inside Kane. Dallas asked Ash what it was and Ash stated he didn't know(he was lying), but it could be a spot on the actual scanner lens. He offered to take it apart to find out if it was indeed something wrong with the machine, but told Dallas he'd have to take the whole autodoc off line to do so and it was a long, arduous process. In the end Dallas ignored it.
To each their own. Not gonna disrespect you or anything for finding Resurrection great, but to me, it just didn't hit home after Aliens. Alien 3 with that CGI disaster was just terrible, the characters lack luster, and plenty other things I'd prefer not going into. Resurrection felt more like a Predator movie; they tried adding in humor and "steamy" scenes, which just wasn't my cup of tea. Had the Xenomorphs, but it didn't feel like an Alien movie at all. More like some B-Grade action film. Not the "all-time horror classic" I know and love. Not to mention, it continued with the trope; "An Alien Movie Isn't an Alien Movie Without Ripley." Honestly, Aliens would've been a great conclusion. Maybe Alien 3 could've been about Amanda or something. Hell, even after Alien 3, they should've just been done with Ripley's character. Without a doubt, Alien 3 and Resurrection are the two worst films in the franchise.
The Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is actually my favorite out of the whole series so this What If scenario actually isn't some attempt to throw shade at the film. Don't forget I mentioned the queen in general, not just the egg.
42ndStreetMatthew I like Alien 3 as well (even though it’s a terribly dreary movie), I just hated how they manufactured an instigating event (how would the Queen manage to stow away an egg without either Bishop, Newt, or Ripley noticing?). That being said, I’m sure the “what if” scenario would have led to a happy ending for all, with absolutely no way to make a sequel, so I know why they put the egg on the Sulaco.
Jake Theberge wouldnt have survived it. The organism is much like a cancer tumor that has metastasized. It can not ne removed without irreparably terminal damage to the host.
MorliHolect If this happened The Company would have access to a Xenomorph Queen (provided the queen doesn't pop out before the company can get the specimen contained), no need to research cloning Ripley. And just like this scenario the whole thing would probably end with another outbreak.
degree7 : Ripley in Alien Resurrection is not a simple human being. She has her DNA spliced with the aliens. She is stronger, more durable and has sort of acidic blood. She may be strong enough to survive the extraction. Anyway Alien Resurrection was filmed before Prometheus and back then to remove alien from its host was possible. Before Prometheus and all that black goo stuff.
prom night Dumpster baby I believe that evil Bishop was lying about having some miracle procedure for removing a Xenomorph embryo safely. How the hell could they have developed it? And it doesn't matter if it was possible to do for a what if to work, Ripley just needed to believe it long enough to get her away from that ledge.
DUDE where has this channel been hiding? I love the editing, the music, the writing, omg man I just smashed sub and the bell so fuckin hard my mouse is broken.
Honestly I would love to see a movie series like this where they follow protocol and then the back half follows weyland/yutani going back and getting the specimens then leading into the earth war.
They probably already had the coordinates. Ash was a last minute addition to the crew, replacing the regular science officer which is highly unusual. Ripley even comments on this. This indicates Weyland-Yutani was already aware of the situation before the crew even left on their journey. Ash was also likely in semi-regular contact with WY.
If Ripley followed quarantine, the Alien would have been birthed, with nowhere to hide, the burster would have been vulnerable. After the initial shock, Dallas or Lambert would have opened the airlock, and it likely would have run to hide somewhere close, likely still on the ship. After quarantine, they would have been allowed back on the ship, and scanned for embryos, turning up negative. Once taken off, the beast would have went into hibernation somewhere on the ship. The crew returns to hyper sleep, and on to earth, after jettisoning Kane's body as it was in the movie. Somehow, MUTHR knows the creature is still attached to the ship, and sends an encrypted message back to WY. The ship is held at a WY checkpoint in the outer planets, the crew is debriefed and sent back to earth on a shuttle that can take all but 3 of the Nostromo crew, Ripley, Dallas, and Parker draw the short straws, and await another cargo transport expected within 3 days. WY reps find the hibernating beast, and capture it in a stasis pod for study. Shit goes wrong, and cue 'Alien' to happen anyway.
Dallas steps on the chest burster, the blood corrodes a hole through the bulkhead and they become permanently marooned, dying after running out of resources.
In a way, Ash is right in his reasoning; rule makers do draw up their rules and regulations in relative comfort and safety, in the field, sometimes you have to think on your feet, outside the box, it's how you get through it all...
I have always enjoyed the use of color and dirt in the original: black for the dirty, lower class....white for the company. The difference between the room 'Mother' resided compared to the rest of the ship. Absolutely brilliant!
The arguments are convincing about the outcome. However, at that outcome, the three victim is more than necessary. Dallas and Lambert must not be infected, because their suits were still intact, so no quarantine law would prohibit them to get into the ship. And also a chest burster never tries to combat if not necessary, it endeavours to hide until it grows adult. So after they witnessed the violent birth of the xenomorph, they could immediately go to the dropship, and leave the whole monstrosity behind, because the chest burster wouldn't attack them. It would have been a kind of "happier" and in the Alien franchise.
The book addresses that. There was concern that the creature could be shedding a virus or some sort of spores that could infect the ship. The fact that Kane was in direct contact with it made it more apparent, but even if they had caught the facehugger safely and walked up to the ship without it attacking anyone, quarantine still would have been enforced on all four of them
Magnificent sequence, brilliant and thought-provoking. If I were in Ripley's shoes, I would probably haven taken the risk and not complied with the quarantine procedure: human life is sacred, I wouldn't let my friends die.
Sir Dave You would still have a movie it would just be different. Since capturing the creature would still be a thing. Also more interaction between the crew about where they stand.
Yes, Ash would release some other androids hidden inside the Nostromo who would attack the crew and take one of them back to the alien ship to be face hugged so they could get a specimen back thru quarantine. But since the Force was with Ripley, she would kill them all using a light saber!
But besides that i have to say...Hicks isn't going to change much. He was fairly wounded to start, maybe providing more tactical acumen.... Not great shakes. Newt might survive better on Fury 161 ironically with smaller size and knowing how to hide. Aaaand then they die anyway when Weyland Yutani show up and...silence...the witnesses. Morse his a convicted felon, not really a danger if he talks. Hicks is a marine, if he talks to the wrong people WY is finished.
@@jackfisk2840 Right on Bro! I saw this during its original release date at the Egyptian Theatre on Hollyweird Blvd. I actually hollered out--just burn the bitch! Everyone turned around and looked at me and said "Fuck, Yeah"! Totally true story! Dude, we were all so stoned in that theatre! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
After the chestbuster comes out of Kane, there's no way it would attack Dallas and Lambert. Just like in the dinner scene, it was smart enough to make its escape because it knows its definitely way too small and vulnerable. It has to get away and allow itself to grow bigger and stronger. Dallas and Lambert might have killed it, but even if they missed, it would have escaped. Then it might have come back later after it grows bigger, although its not sure how much time that takes, probably several hours. Meanwhile with Kane dead, Ripley would still force the others to stay outside for the 24 hour quarantine. During that time, its anyone's guess whether or not the alien would come back to attack. If Dallas and Lambert are in the inner lock hatch, the alien would probably not be able to get to them, and they could wait out the 24 hours. But if they are on the outside, and if the alien comes back, they may very well wind up getting killed. I think that only Kane would die, and its not sure whether or not Ash reveals his true colors. But either way, the Nostromo goes back to Earth, and Weyland-Yutani has the ships data, coordinates, etc., everything he needs to send an investigation crew to LV426. Ash would know that this information is just as important as obtaining a specimen and bringing it back. I'm absolutely positive that if Ash couldn't bring one back, all this other info would be just as valuable to The Company. From there, humans getting involved with the aliens, it'd be game over for our species.
Except that completely ignores the fact that The Company ALREADY KNOWS where the planet is. Furthermore, this ignores the fact that Weyland manages to get specimens anyway at a later date. Whether or not the alien gets on the Nostromo changes nothing except crew survival.
@@Gustav_Kuriga Except that Wayland Yutani did not know the exact coordinates of the planetoid with the Xeno. They know that it has to be somewhere in that sector (likely because they received the signal and did encode it), but there was a small problem. The lost ship nostromo and crew had shattered the image of Wayland Yutani and also did cost billions of dollars. The signal also got deactivated, so there it was getting very hard to locate the excat location of the planetoid. That is why WY started to terraform in that sector. They could sell it as "building better worlds" to the public and where secretly searching for the location of the Xeno infected ship. Alien Isolation does pick up some parts of it "the black history part of WY about the loss of the nostromo and it's crew" and that it also caused a strong financial damage. The company also did not like to talk about this incident
100% agree ;DYour reasoning, more specifically its result, is actually hilarious! I never had thought that through, but this secret order screwed up everything! You're right, they would have enough time, could keep it relatively secret AND no one would be questioning their motives. Cuz, these procedures were probably triggered and used a few times before - just not with something as dangerous as these xenomorphs.
What if... Sir Ridley Scott had directed Alien 2. That would also be an interesting "what if" to think about. If alien hadn't fallen into the hands of Cameron, it wouldn't have been called "xenomorph", its life cycles including a queen wouldn't have been contrived, and it wouldn't have been portrayed as mindless insects/bugs, and the alien franchise as we know it would be totally different.
I do have something gnawing my mind for so many many years... were WYC aware of the Xenomorph lifeform BEFORE the events of Alien 1979 ? I mean, I may answer my own question here with the proofs of Ash presence and purpose to gather intel and the specimen at all cost but how did WYC got to know about that alien signal? Was this planned to be shown after the evens of Covenant? Why did they simply sent them space truckers to investigate? To evaluate the deadliness of the xenomorph specimen? Wouldn't they had been more efficient in dispatching a pure scientific vessel instead? Even if I disliked Covenant a lot, I do hope we'll get to see how post Covenant and Alien 1979 bridge together!
I thought that the company's prime directive was a secret order issued to all flight androids on all their craft in case any of them ever encountered EBEs. It doesn't imply that Wetland Corps knew in advance of the organism on LV426.
Ash is the newest Android to appear in the series. He was built just before the Nostromo ships off, just long enough to have his program installed, but not long enough for much of anything else. He Knows Jack s**t about human behavior and emotions. Instead of picking up on these behaviors, he replaces it with his own bizarre, cynical, sticks-out-like-a sore -thumb behavior. So when he is confronted with strong emotions (his own mortal fear) and strong behaviors (Ripley's outburst of anger & fear at him), it 'does not compute'. Weyland-Yutani must not want the alien that badly. They sent an unproven, underdeveloped Android with no combat programming & an inability to blend in well, to retrieve the ultimate weapon in a dangerous mission where combat programming and blending in are necessary...??? And that's not the only reason I say that about the company: He's an OUTSOURCED Android...!!! Made by Hyperdyne Systems... Meanwhile, Weyland-Yutani, the biggest company there is, makes better androids, and they could have done it in-house without a paper trail 😯🤔😶
Pretty sure it was not the entire company that knew about the whole deal but some department who had to work with what they could get their hands on, fearing for someone else taking the credit for any major developments if they told the higher-ups, and those higher-ups assign someone more competent with proper resources to collect the xenos.
Z Zs and that is why I make comments on topics of discussion, because sometimes I get brilliant responses like yours. Makes total sense. Low level execs found out about the Xenomorph somehow(just like Burke in 'Aliens'), and scrambled to put together a low budget retrieval plan... Before someone with more money higher on the corporate food chain finds out, takes over, sends A Weyland-Yutani Walter or Bishop Android with an actual plan on the Nostromo, and captures the Alien. Or, the top brass could find out and just send in waves of mercenaries a-la-JP lost world and bring back pretty much everything.
What can i say, i work in a multinational corporation myself, i see this shit in real life far too many times. Luckily, IT support is not something that can get up and kill the customers/other employees. But if it could, after all the stupidity, ineptitude and sheer incompetence i have seen, god help us all.
Z Zs yeah, I understand. I once worked for an American car company, which starts with 'F' & ends with 'D'... The hierarchy, and cutthroat nature of the company made me sick. BTW yeah, Androids- bad idea. Let's see, through the series there's: Ash (Glitchy, Incompetent, prone to murder-ee/rape-ee outbursts), Bishop (Shining example of what an Android should be), Call (Defective Android with no program, serves an imaginary purpose), Walter (Excellent Android, but unfortunately MAY have been built with certain software that will sabotage his CPU if certain other Androids happen to need to steal his body), and finally... David, who might as well be Skynet. 5 of them. 2 could kill a person intentionally, 1 accidentally, 1 unintentionally if his program was overridden, 1 you are safe around. Yeah with todays incompetent workforce, it would probably be a higher number than 4 out of 5 that will or may kill.
It's probably safe to say, that if the quarantine had been enforced and the Alien had exited Kane's body, it would not have escaped the airlock, or the Dallas would have opened the exterior door and it would have left the Nostromo. The nature of the airlock means that it could not have escaped on to the ship itself. If it had been injured enough to bleed and create an hole, it would probably have been a fatal wound to a creature of its size (upon hatching). It looks far too small to seriously harm Dallas and Lambert. Without something to feed upon (and we can only assume that there were organic substances it could consume on the Nostromo), it seems unlikely that the Alien could have grown to a large enough size to be a threat. For growth to occur, it must ingest something. The mass has to come from somewhere. If Ripley had been obeyed, the body count on the Nostromo could have been just ONE.
I would have x rayed Kane after he woke up instead of assuming that a creature that stuck to his face, kept him alive and then just left him and died for no obvious reason. Ripley was smart and thinking outside the box but this was a rookie and and highly unlikely chain of events upon Kane waking. I know it was necessary to move the plot on, but this is the only stupid part in Alien for me. Still one of the scariest and brilliant films ever, the whole film is a rollercoaster ride of anxiety and fear. Not many films can achieve this for the full movie, we only catch a break the moment Kane wakes and after the Alien is ejected from the airlock.
Thank you for the recommendation. I enjoyed this What If. Please feel free to do more. I will watch them. A simple follow up would be "What if the alien was stayed hidden and undiscovered at the end of Alien".
Good stuff. I'm a huge fan of the 1988 Dark Horse comic. That is the history of Alien after the movie Aliens as far as I'm concerned. Alien 3, AVP, Prometheus (the worst) never happened in my world. :)
I get quite annoyed with things like not doing quarantines and stuff when I watch these horror type movies. Aliens is at least realistic about quarantines and how people are torn during a real situation, though I never fully understood Ash's whole thing as the android and how he acts. But besides Aliens the only other movie that I thought was done right was Life, where the scientist have take all the precautions that should be taken in that case.
I guess if Ripley had convinced Parker and Brett to return to Earth the first crews on Earth to board the Nostromo would have a bit of a shock when they opened the airlock. One body with a hole in its chest, Dallas and Lambert eviscerated all over the walls, and a giant xenomorph who has just seen its first food in 10 months. All that assuming they didn't kill the chestburster in the airlock. If they did they may well have caused acid damage which could have compromised the integrity of the lock. If there was no acid damage, they would have starved to death, perhaps even resorting to cannibalism with Kane's body. Dark, I know lol
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Alien should be mandatory viewing for all ship crews of future missions into the cosmos on what not to when encountering alien lifeforms
They'll somehow still find a way to screw it up
Alien Covenant should be mandatory viewing for recruitment teams so they don't hire mentally deficient people to go on potentially dangerous space expeditions.
That and Prometheus. Lesson - ALWAYS send a warship. (In fairness to the crew of Covenant, their decision to change destinations was not without justification; what happened after they got there, though, was one clusterfuck after another.)
But Paradise was an unsurveyed planet. They should have at least sent some kind of survey drone or Walter down to the planet first to run some tests. All of it could have been avoided if they had taken simple precautions.
Like I said, once they got there it was one clusterfuck after another. The novelisation explicitly states that they did run scans, and gives explanations afterwards as to why these erroneously showed no danger. But not waiting until the storm had cleared and then doing a proper surface survey (which would have revealed the Engineer city strewn with corpses and told everyone quite clearly that going down there was a huge fucking no-no) was an unforgivable mistake.
Ash is the most under appreciated villain in history. Completely overshadowed by the alien, but Ash was the real monster. The alien quite simply had no morality.
k m neither did Ash, since he was an android doing what he was programmed to do
Andrew Lowery yes and no. It’s clear that androids in that universe were built with emotions. Ash is a caricature of a psychopath who will use anyone to get his way.
He's underappreciated, but my vote still goes to Darth Maul in the historical category of villains.
STATEMENT : Ash was just following orders. The Xenomorph is just following its natural urges to survive and a crew with flamethrowers are a threat, so the xenomorph needed to terminate the meatbags.
Actually I think Ash was just as much a victim of the company as the rest of the crew. He was sent to ensure the delivery of the alien, at the cost of the crew if necessary. Consider this, Ash, like any robot and particularly one serving as the medical officer, was programmed with something akin to Asmiov's Three Laws to protect humans under his care, and it was this paradox brought on by his mission clashing with his programming that resulted in his freak out where he attacked Ripley. And it isn't until he can't deny the truth to Ripley that he breaks. That's why he admires the alien. Because, unlike him, it is "unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality."
why does no one ever include Jonesy as a survivor
Doesn't Jonesy get infected by one of alien species? Or was that a dream sequence Ripley had?
Because he's just a cat, period.
Ripley had that dream where she got infected, the last we see of jones is when Ripley has decided to go with the marines 'and you, you little shit head are staying here' I just hope someone was around to feed him
@@bigdaddytrips6197 Biggest fail attempt at trolling. Better luck next time kid lol
@@bigdaddytrips6197 Tell me you're a 13-year-old edgelord without telling me you're a 13-year-old edgelord
The idea of Jonesy being a present to Amanda is sweet and my new headcanon.
@The Wandering Fool that sounds ike a badass fanfic
One of the creepiest things about Weyland Yutani is the fact that they continue where they leave off no matter how long it’s been. How they dispassionately haunt people.
The creepiest thing is, or rather the most ghastly thing, is no matter how many folks die, no matter how godawful Weyland-Yutani’s failed plans, lives lost in its tries to acquire and control the Xenomorph. It cannot help but try again
Exactly like Amazon. 😱
@@BigBadJerryRogersIt's just capitalism running its course. Bottom lines and shareholder returns. The fundamental force of nature isn't gravity or nuclear or electromagnetic etc, the fundamental force in nature is avarice
If the Alien didn't get on board the film would've been a hell of alot shorter lol
@Qwfwq66 But Kane was still alive. If he was already dead, incinerating him would make more sense. Then again, according to Captain Dallas, Ash had the final say on what to do with the facehugger specimen because the Company gave him that authority.
Seems like one of the only people on that ship with common sense was Parker. They should have froze Kane once they stupidly let him on the ship.
Dallas was a lousy captain btw.
Someone finally said it... I watched it again last night, and he really just makes screw up after screw up...
Anything to do with the science division, Ash has the final call. Dallas just flies the ship.
@@maaaatt Not to mention you probably don't have to be a fleet admiral to become captain of a cargo ship.
..right..
@@maaaatt The captain of any ship, whether sea or air has absolute say and responsibility over the lives of the people on said ship. In any universe, the science officer would bow to the orders of the ship captain.
Very enjoyable 👍.
I'd like to see a 'what if Hicks went back for Vasquez instead of Gorman?' Hicks full pulse rifle, takes down multiple aliens and pulls Vasquez out. No Gorman grenade, they don't lost Newt and all escape in the lift to the surface and the drop ship with Bishop. No going back for Newt, no alien Queen fight, no egg on board, no malfunction, no ejected pods, no Alien 3 and no Alien Resurrection!
That last bit would be awesome
@@seemlyca9065 lmao
No alien 3, no alien resurrection. what a lovely idea! thanks
It was I, I did it. I put the egg on the Suducco
@@jackavery7179 You.... MONSTER!!!! /j
Parker and Brett would have got off the Nostromo and got a beer at a local pub.
"right"
Actually, Parker would have thought that they should discuss the bonus situation.
Actually they would have just went back to the zero-g cathouse.
Parker would rather be “eating something else”.
@@Cybermat47Discuss it? It would have been finally resolved! Equal shares for everyone! Had they made it, they would have been the working class heroes the future needed! 😭
ok as a former member of the US navy there are real world paralles to the quaritine that was in alien and they are in place for very good reasons and any captin or crewman that would break quaritine would find them selves in front of a court marshal board
In the military that would happen. But the Nostromo was private sector. WY considers the crew expendable when the need arises. Pretty shitty.
That would make sense, Strikernightfall. When you break a law, there are consequences. Yeah. People suffer at your hands when you break a law.
...better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.
I am suprised that there was no security detail on the ship. Because of the hazards that might come. But it is the same for cargo ships. Still suprised that there is no security detail on those ship's
Your spelling is atrocious.
What hellish abomination would be unleashed if a xenomorph boarded the Event Horizon? 😁
Roseanne?
@@c0t0d0s7 nah, you translated that wrong, its Rosie O'donnell
Poor Xenomorph has no eyes to claw out!
Frankly I'd like to believe that Hell, or whatever is on the other side, has accounted for everything, including xenomorphs, and has something specific in mind for whatever crosses into its territory. If the xenomorph wasn't driven insane and made even more dangerous by its experiences, the hellscape might actually prove capable of traumatizing it to a point of docility that would see it huddling in the corner of some isolated dark space and afraid of even an encounter with humans.
One human's hell is another xenomorph's heaven.
Here's the thing I don't understand about Weyland-Yutani: in both the comics and in-universe, it's established that humanity is branching out light years from home and can even terraform planets within a generation or two... *_so why the hell would you bring such dangerous/unknown specimens directly onto Earth?!_* A space station, a hollowed-out asteroid, a hidden base on Mars or the Moon or where ever...That way, if anything goes wrong, *_no one finds out about it._* Doesn't that make more sense? Not only is it safer in case you lose containment, but it's safer from prying eyes as well. I never got the whole thing of absolutely NEEDING to take the xenomorphs back to Earth. You don't have to, and it's just too big of a risk to Weyland-Yutani... as the Earth War comic shows.
In this kind of story some bad guy have to make the Aliens a threat to humanity even if it meant that they take stupid risks. It's a common flaw with villains in fiction.
This is why I like that Alien 3 idea that has Weyland-Yutani getting an Alien sample and then experimenting with the thing on a prison space station. Thats was way more sensible than going to Earth.
Or they did all this to purposely destroy earth. So they could remake it in there own image. “Building better worlds”.
Because humans always think they are the shit.
Cost. It would require building highly advanced labs to house the specimen, plus the cost of shipping the materials there, the cost of construction, and the paperwork about what they were studying. Or, they could bring it to Earth, where such facilities already existed, and where no one would think twice about the company suddenly reinforcing its labs.
The acting in Alien is so organic. Its a true masterpiece.
“Right”
You some kind of parrot?
Ash would have found a way to get it back on somehow since he was programmed to get an organism by the Special Order. He already proved he would kill the crew members to obtain it.
Sarah Pusey The novel Out of the Shadows shows he won’t even let lack of physical form deter him, as he manipulates events from within computer systems to suit his purposes.
"Oh man those are some weird eggs, let's get out of here. Yeah you're right Ripley let's go"
*credits roll*
Counter-question:
What if they had left Cain confined & quarantined
in the medical infirmary for 24-hours
(especially after the facehugger came off)
rather than having dinner with him??
That's exactly what I would have done. Dallas bone head decisions just highlights his poor competency as a leader.
Parker knew best: Let's freeze him
Don't think would have changed anything since eventually the Alien embryo would have escaped medical lab. And crew wouldn't have been aware until far too try destroy it.
@@frankpinmtl That would only have delayed process as embryo linked genetically with Cain. The Nostromo crew would return to Earth. Some years later Outbreak with humanity inflected by aliens.
As great as Alien is, there’s many glaring potholes that should’ve been fleshed out. But they were manageable as a viewer.
Aliens, despite its technical praise, had even worse plot holes that makes it infinitely not the greatest sci-fi horror.
Alien is much tighter and better overall in my opinion. But the plot holes, such as you’ve identified, makes these two films much more inferior than they had to be.
The Ripley character just keeps giving. Incredible. After all these years Weaver delivered something truly remarkable
I don't think Ripley would just live normally without nightmares, I think having left the others to die would probably weigh very heavily on her, and she'd forever live with a sense of guilt.
She was dealing with some Uber ptsd
I agree, but I think that would be preferred to the actual timeline.
I think a good video would be: "What if Burke succeeded in getting Ripley and Newt implanted with chestbursters?"
That is a good What If theory.
very good indeed
events similar to Alien Resurrection would have happened
That’s easy..... roll credits!
He gets immediately beaten to death by the marines when they question who let the facehuggers out of their tubes. They would shoot him, but they really need to save the bullets and frankly, Vasquez has some anger she needs to work out
Ripley's being a stickler for the rules indicates her naivety as to exactly how far the company would go to secure a sample for its bio weapons division. Part of the horror here is watching all that come crashing down as she begins to sob uncontrollably after confronting ash in that computer room and realizing that he's been protecting the creature under company orders. Seems this is the first time the company overtly sacrificed a human crew and gave an android full control of a mission. They called the computer Mother but its seems mommy's new roll was to cast away the people and nurture a monster. That's a horror that seemed to go missing in the other films. They were doomed from the very beginning because they were sent to get the creature.
@Fox Mulder what? I havent seen it in a while, but she was a second late..
Well first off, no, it wasn't naive. At the time, they had absolutely no way of knowing that the signal was a warning, not a distress signal. They thought they had been directed to help someone in need, and merely figured they got there too late for the people who sent the 'distress' signal. Secondly, and this goes hand in hand with the first point, they had no idea WHAT the facehugger was, much less why anyone would want it for bioweapons, or anything else. Among the possible scenarios, it was considered that it might have some sort of virus, or that it might shed some sort of dangerous spores aboard the ship. The crew were, in fact, puzzled that the facehugger would put Kane in a coma and then work so hard to keep him alive. And finally, Mother was not trying to thwart Ripley in any way. In the scene in question, she had set the self destruct and found Jones and was going to put herself and the cat aboard the shuttle to flee. She discovered the alien was aboard, and tried to stop the self destruct, but she got there too late. It was stated that the timer, which I believe was something like ten minutes, had a five minute window to deactivate, after which NOTHING could stop it from going up when time ran out. Mother's 'failure' to stop the self destruct wouldn't have done anything to protect the creature, it just would have ensured that Ripley and Jones DIDN'T board the shuttle, or launch it, thereby ensuring that all of them, alien included, died when the Nostromo blew up. If anything, Mother was ensuring the destruction of the creature.
@@TheKyrix82 , didn't Dallas and Ash state that any signal of possibly intelligent origin had to be investigated? Full forfeiture of all shares was the penalty, IIRC.
@@spaceflight1019 They did. Because they thought it was a distress signal. Company policy said that when a ship was in distress, the nearest ship had to drop what they were doing and rescue them, and failure to do so resulted in full forfeiture of all shares. But I'm assuming my name was tagged because you hit my reply, because I never implied otherwise.
@@TheKyrix82 , I just wondered if I remembered Ash explaining it to Parker correctly.
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Great video.
I always make arguments that Ripley was an actual smart protagonist and that the alien wouldn't have killed everyone had they freaking listened to her... but this is easily the best counter-argument I've ever seen to that. Sure, she would've saved everyone other than Kane (I don't think a baby chestburster would've been a match for Dallas and Lambert, deleted scenes and the novelization make it clear they have weapons, and there'd be no place for the alien to hide in such a small contained room), but eventually Weyland-Yutani would've gotten to LV426 and Earth would be screwed.
Ash, ironically, saved the human race by letting them back on.
In the Dark Horse Comics timeline, which I regard as semi-canonical, the worst happened anyway. As for the baby chestburster, that thing can move pretty fast, and with Lambert screaming her head off as it emerges that's one gun out of the fight. Shoot it and it probably spills acid everywhere, burning both of them very badly. It doesn't end well, whatever happens.
At the end of the day, they knew where that alien ship was or they'd never have rerouted the Nostromo there. Disaster was inevitable unless they had set the lab up on LV426 and written off the scientists, never allowing them to leave. That was the only way to be safe with this thing.
The real villain of the alien series is Weyland yutani
No, it is perspective
WY just wants to build better worlds!😂
actually, its greed
No, it's Ridley cancelling Alien V to do his abominations
@Dawn of the Dad Yeah, it is an exaggeration, they are just pretentious movies, they're still fun to watch if you don't care about the Alien canon and can overlook the stupidity of the characters, especially in Covenant
Needed my Alien Theory fix 💙💙
I think Ash probably would have killed or hurt her in some way to fulfill the secret programming in Mother regarding the return of the specimens over the lives of the crew. Let's face it synthetics are crazy and homicidal in a bell curve that starts with David rises to Ash and then tapers off into Walter and Bishop. Keep up the good work as always AT! I'll keep watching from the off-world colonies.
I don't think Ash is defective like David. He's simply a company 'man' who puts the company's interests above the lives of the crew.
Found this to be extremely fun and interesting to think about, love the idea. One "what if" scenario that interests me is what would have happened to Shaw if David had died at the hands of the engineer on the juggernaut and she was left marooned on LV223 along with the Deacon.
"Hey Ripley! You killed 3 crew members during your expedition!...Here's your bonus as well as your "Most efficient employee of the month" award!"
3? 1. And he would have died anyway. As soon as the baby popped the top, it would scurry off, likely away from the ship. I'm pretty sure it took longer than 24 hours to reach full size, so they would have been clear to board the ship by then, and left it in the dust. That being said, the book is vague about the timetable, but I think the gestation would have taken longer than 24 hours too...so it might not have made any difference in the end, and might have helped Ash keep his cover.
@Qwfwq66 Actually, they have incredibly short lifespans, so odds are it wouldn't delay laying. What it delayed on was detaching, staying on to act as an air filter into Kane was back in his own atmosphere. IT makes no sense biologically not to lay the egg immediately, because something can potentially be done to remove the hugger otherwise. Look at Resurrection, Ripley 8 was strong enough to rip the legs off and throw it off her face. 8 may have been a hybrid, but who's to say other species like that don't exist? No, it laid the egg in the bay.
The bonus situation has never been on an equitable level
Mother would probably have opened the door.
This isn't a Star Trek computer. Her ability to know, or do, things is extremely limited. Unless someone went into her room and typed it in, she would be powerless to even know what was going on.
@@TheKyrix82 You're right to a point, though I feel that it may have been possible for Ash to secretly interface with mother as we have seen other androids do with computer systems throughout the series and get the crew on board regardless.
She would have made them zoo animals.
AI in the Alien universe has been very schizophrenic, mainframes showing little to zero actual intelligence, with synthetics being arguably truly self-aware. I don't think MUTHR would have been able to do a thing, at the most temporarily delaying their departure by being fiddly with the engineering bits.
I don't know why no one other then Ash figured that the face hugger was putting something into Cain. Cain should have went straight to the freezer as soon as the face hugger came off his face, quarenteened. I know I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near Cain knowing he had that thing on his face.
Please more "What If" scenario. How about if ripley was never rescued in aliens.
Jordan Tucker well, her cryo chamber had already started to degrade,according to the novel. No human had ever been frozen that long. Any longer than a certain point and the body starts to fail. So she'd of died anyway real soon out there.
prom night Dumpster baby the result could be her " put your name here" could burst whit defect but still manage to survive as if her body stop function the queen could ave a natural reflexes to exit a dying body and prepared the ship whit her eggs, as it was probably the alien queen larva that ave keep her alive in the first place the story is mostly just be the same whitout plot explanation that was like all of the movie...
GazB85 soooo many alien how keep a track of what is what even marvel is at risk of the same fate, is it happen during wen or what and is it in the remake/ prequel or just a bad sci-fi ripoff, I though that even blunt-man and chronic was a dc movie because Ben Aflec and mat Damon are in the movie... Or I ave watch Jay and Bob contre attack drunk during a marvel Marathon or it was on tv and my Netflix was off, srl I am to only one to get lost about what I can remember I know more the name of a marvel movie cast that the name and age of my little brothers and I am the older one...
Yes what would have happened when the marines went to the colony if ripley wasn't there, I think they'd have all died after the first attack in the cooling towers because they saw Apone was still alive and wanted to rescue him it was ripley that told them not to because he's already all cocooned up. I think they'd have all gone back in and died.
I believe that it was both Diedrich and Apone that were still alive. I read the novel a very long time ago, but I think Hudson says it's both of them even in the movie.
Then we wouldn't have gotten such a great movie-masterpiece. I think Ash would attack Ripley no matter what. He's as scary as xenomorph itself. Thanks for another brilliant video dear
So ironically, if the company didn’t interfere with having Ash open the doors, they would of had the xenomorph long ago.
But they already knew the co-ordinates to begin with. It is made quite clear in the first film that they re-routed the Nostromo to make sure it picks up that beacon and have to explore. Ash knew the entire time what was going to be found and what was going to happen. That is my problem with Aliens, it blatantly ignores this. In Alien, Dallas says that the science officer they shipped out with was replaced with Ash just days before leaving Thedus. Plus special order 937 says "Nostromo re-routed to new co-ordinates". So the company already knew about the derelict as they decoded the beacon before the Nostromo set out back to Earth.
I'm guessing only a few people may be alive or know of the existence of the alien by the time of Alien. Probably information recorded from the Prometheus/Covenant expeditions. I think it's been telegraphed who the connection might be in those films (he also didn't create the alien from the first).
They would *have* had the xenomorph.
Would *of* had the xenomorph is incorrect.
It's a common error because of the contraction would've (would have).
If you consider the events of Alien: Isolation to be canon, then the beacon got turned off by Captain Marlow. And the company wouldn’t have known where exactly the ship was, so it all makes sense.
@Főfasírozó Both Prometheus and Covenant were made by the same person who made the original Alien film, so they ARE canon as far as anyone is concerned unless Ridley Scott himself says otherwise. Sorry dude but the guy who created the films has more say on what's canon than a nobody on a random youtube comment chain ;)
Very interesting theory. Well done. I was thinking of another possibility if Ash didn't interfere like he did and if Dallas decided to go with the quarantine procedure.
If the 24 hour quarantine went through without any interference and problems, the Facehugger would have implanted the Xeno in Kane and die. Then, if Ripley and the crew was quick, they would bring Kane inside the ship and freeze him before the ChestBurster was fully grown. Ash would be successful in carrying out his Special Order without any loss of life. Except Kane but that'll be when the Company does their 'studies' on him and the Xenomorph.
Then again, Ash would still let Kane in to the ship to complete his Special Order breaking quarantine. Again, without having any of the crew killed. Just when the Facehugger finishes implanting the Xenomorph inside Kane, he would secretly scan Kane to see what the Facehugger did and find the developing ChestBurster inside him. He would recommend to freeze Kane immediately to 'prevent a spread of possible infection' throughout the ship.
Then, the crew would go on their 10 month journey home. Ash would have himself wake up a little early and inform the Company that he has the organism and they are on route back and to be ready. The crew would possibly be debriefed and would go on about their lives while Ash and the Company would study Kane and the Xenomorph.
Keeping the crew alive is too much of a risk. Ash would find a way to kill the crew in hypersleep, then jettison the bodies.
@@NemeanLion- Then make up any story he liked. True.
One What Ifs that I've wondered about with the Alien series is what would happen if Hick, Newt and Bishop survived with Ripley on Fury 161, whether that'd be more of a disturbance to the prisoners
One possible scenario that would have probably saved the lives of everyone except Cain, is to do what Parker suggested after Cain was brought back on board with the facehugger. He said "Why don't you guys freeze him?" That would have made the most sense. Freeze Cain and the facehugger until they got back to earth. While Cain would have still died, the rest of the crew would have been saved.
While that may have saved the crew, it would have doomed earth. By allowing the alien on to the ship and killing all apart from Ripley, earth was saved for a good 300 odd years from the alien menace. That's until the events of alien: sea of sorrows.
@@fiazshah3838 Only if the alien was a queen
I always wondered how the scans and tests showed no Embryo, was it Ash concealing the information?
there is a dark blob on the screen
Of course he was.!
Maybe the facehuggers provide a slurry of the compounds used to produce the embryo inside the host body, rather than just depositing the embryo directly. Or perhaps in its initial stage the embryo is no bigger than a marble.
If i recall correctly in the novelization they saw a blotch of the embryo on the scanner the auto-doc was using to peer inside Kane. Dallas asked Ash what it was and Ash stated he didn't know(he was lying), but it could be a spot on the actual scanner lens. He offered to take it apart to find out if it was indeed something wrong with the machine, but told Dallas he'd have to take the whole autodoc off line to do so and it was a long, arduous process. In the end Dallas ignored it.
@@leerollins This.
👌🏼 Informative as usual. And you should do a video on Alien 3, “What if Newt and Hicks survived the crash on Fury 161?”
Alpha Crusaders well technically alien 3 is not canon
Andrew Carpinella Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection, Prometheus, and now Covenant, are all Canon. Idk why you think Alien 3 isn’t canon dude
Everything after Aliens is trash, so it doesn't matter if they're cannon or not 🤦♂️.
Death in her sleep would have been much easier then what those prisoners( convicted rapists half of them) would have done to Newt, had she survived...
To each their own. Not gonna disrespect you or anything for finding Resurrection great, but to me, it just didn't hit home after Aliens. Alien 3 with that CGI disaster was just terrible, the characters lack luster, and plenty other things I'd prefer not going into. Resurrection felt more like a Predator movie; they tried adding in humor and "steamy" scenes, which just wasn't my cup of tea. Had the Xenomorphs, but it didn't feel like an Alien movie at all. More like some B-Grade action film. Not the "all-time horror classic" I know and love.
Not to mention, it continued with the trope; "An Alien Movie Isn't an Alien Movie Without Ripley." Honestly, Aliens would've been a great conclusion. Maybe Alien 3 could've been about Amanda or something. Hell, even after Alien 3, they should've just been done with Ripley's character. Without a doubt, Alien 3 and Resurrection are the two worst films in the franchise.
I like the “what if” scenarios. This was very interesting.
What if the deacon found it’s way onto the ship with Shaw and David somehow?
Fantastic as always. I'd like to see a what if regarding the Alien Queen/egg never getting on board the Sulaco.
Or how about if David doesn't become a crazy asshole after Prometheus and decides to change himself for the better in his journey with Shaw.
42ndStreetMatthew By the logic of Aliens, it shouldn’t have been there. Unfortunately , they had to break continuity to make the story of Alien 3.
The Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is actually my favorite out of the whole series so this What If scenario actually isn't some attempt to throw shade at the film. Don't forget I mentioned the queen in general, not just the egg.
42ndStreetMatthew I like Alien 3 as well (even though it’s a terribly dreary movie), I just hated how they manufactured an instigating event (how would the Queen manage to stow away an egg without either Bishop, Newt, or Ripley noticing?). That being said, I’m sure the “what if” scenario would have led to a happy ending for all, with absolutely no way to make a sequel, so I know why they put the egg on the Sulaco.
I wish they had just put the egg inside the landing gear where the queen hid. Would've been an easy fix.
The scene from the directors cut where Lambert attacks Ripley features in the illustrated story
What if Ripley agreed with Evil Bishop and tried to have the Xenomorph removed at the end of Alien 3 instead of killing herself?
Jake Theberge wouldnt have survived it. The organism is much like a cancer tumor that has metastasized. It can not ne removed without irreparably terminal damage to the host.
The answer is: Alien Resurrection
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If this happened The Company would have access to a Xenomorph Queen (provided the queen doesn't pop out before the company can get the specimen contained), no need to research cloning Ripley. And just like this scenario the whole thing would probably end with another outbreak.
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: Ripley in Alien Resurrection is not a simple human being. She has her DNA spliced with the aliens.
She is stronger, more durable and has sort of acidic blood. She may be strong enough to survive the extraction.
Anyway Alien Resurrection was filmed before Prometheus and back then to remove alien from its host was possible. Before Prometheus and all that black goo stuff.
prom night Dumpster baby I believe that evil Bishop was lying about having some miracle procedure for removing a Xenomorph embryo safely. How the hell could they have developed it? And it doesn't matter if it was possible to do for a what if to work, Ripley just needed to believe it long enough to get her away from that ledge.
DUDE where has this channel been hiding? I love the editing, the music, the writing, omg man
I just smashed sub and the bell so fuckin hard my mouse is broken.
Honestly I would love to see a movie series like this where they follow protocol and then the back half follows weyland/yutani going back and getting the specimens then leading into the earth war.
This is one of your best videos, IMO. An excellent and thought provoking what if exercise. Most interesting.
It's morning here in the philippines and this is my breakfast... gonna be late for work but what the hell... Alien Theory baby!!! keep er goin!
Make sure that balut is thoroughly cooked or there is going to be some chestburster action.
They probably already had the coordinates. Ash was a last minute addition to the crew, replacing the regular science officer which is highly unusual. Ripley even comments on this. This indicates Weyland-Yutani was already aware of the situation before the crew even left on their journey. Ash was also likely in semi-regular contact with WY.
Wow. THIS ONE, IS THE BEST ONE YET!! Keep it up!
I love watching these videos. The theories are great and thought-provoking. Also, your voice is soothing. I’m always relaxed watching these.
If Ripley followed quarantine, the Alien would have been birthed, with nowhere to hide, the burster would have been vulnerable. After the initial shock, Dallas or Lambert would have opened the airlock, and it likely would have run to hide somewhere close, likely still on the ship. After quarantine, they would have been allowed back on the ship, and scanned for embryos, turning up negative. Once taken off, the beast would have went into hibernation somewhere on the ship. The crew returns to hyper sleep, and on to earth, after jettisoning Kane's body as it was in the movie. Somehow, MUTHR knows the creature is still attached to the ship, and sends an encrypted message back to WY. The ship is held at a WY checkpoint in the outer planets, the crew is debriefed and sent back to earth on a shuttle that can take all but 3 of the Nostromo crew, Ripley, Dallas, and Parker draw the short straws, and await another cargo transport expected within 3 days. WY reps find the hibernating beast, and capture it in a stasis pod for study. Shit goes wrong, and cue 'Alien' to happen anyway.
Couldn't they have secured themselves and opened the outer airlock and flushed the little bastard in to space?
Dallas steps on the chest burster, the blood corrodes a hole through the bulkhead and they become permanently marooned, dying after running out of resources.
In a way, Ash is right in his reasoning; rule makers do draw up their rules and regulations in relative comfort and safety, in the field, sometimes you have to think on your feet, outside the box, it's how you get through it all...
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Please do a 'what would happen if Brett and Parker got their way concerning the bonus situation?' video.
5:54 the face hugger had burned it's way through the helmet, if it falls off and dies outside the hatch, so would Kane with a huge hole in the helmet
I have always enjoyed the use of color and dirt in the original: black for the dirty, lower class....white for the company. The difference between the room 'Mother' resided compared to the rest of the ship. Absolutely brilliant!
What if "The Thing" from John Carpenter made it to the main land?
Do you know "When Day Breaks"?
Total world infection in 72,000 hours?
What if the Norwegians were able to shoot?
I LOVED this 'what if" video, please do more!! so interesting to see your perspective and to read comments of others perspectives
truly enjoy your work, bro
What if Jonesy killed the Xenomorph? His look and his meow conveyed the sense he could do it with ease?
The arguments are convincing about the outcome. However, at that outcome, the three victim is more than necessary. Dallas and Lambert must not be infected, because their suits were still intact, so no quarantine law would prohibit them to get into the ship. And also a chest burster never tries to combat if not necessary, it endeavours to hide until it grows adult. So after they witnessed the violent birth of the xenomorph, they could immediately go to the dropship, and leave the whole monstrosity behind, because the chest burster wouldn't attack them. It would have been a kind of "happier" and in the Alien franchise.
The book addresses that. There was concern that the creature could be shedding a virus or some sort of spores that could infect the ship. The fact that Kane was in direct contact with it made it more apparent, but even if they had caught the facehugger safely and walked up to the ship without it attacking anyone, quarantine still would have been enforced on all four of them
The breaking of quarantine procedure is a brilliant scene and so well written that it throws up the "what if?" scenario.
I love what if videos! Thank you
Magnificent sequence, brilliant and thought-provoking. If I were in Ripley's shoes, I would probably haven taken the risk and not complied with the quarantine procedure: human life is sacred, I wouldn't let my friends die.
Then we wouldnt have had a movie
Problem solved! Series over.
Sir Dave my exact thoughts
Sir Dave You would still have a movie it would just be different. Since capturing the creature would still be a thing. Also more interaction between the crew about where they stand.
Yes, Ash would release some other androids hidden inside the Nostromo who would attack the crew and take one of them back to the alien ship to be face hugged so they could get a specimen back thru quarantine. But since the Force was with Ripley, she would kill them all using a light saber!
Would make an interesting drama
My first thought would be that you wouldn't have this cool channel on yt. Thx for all you do.
great. i would like more "what if?" videos.
What if this TH-cam channel did not exist? Answer: we would still had unresolved questions because of the magic of this saga.
Nice video, what if hicks ane newt survived and went with the xenomorph con Alíen 3?
Umm...not sure i wanna go in depth on a pre-teen girl around 30ish rapists.
Might not be such a big change.
But besides that i have to say...Hicks isn't going to change much. He was fairly wounded to start, maybe providing more tactical acumen.... Not great shakes. Newt might survive better on Fury 161 ironically with smaller size and knowing how to hide. Aaaand then they die anyway when Weyland Yutani show up and...silence...the witnesses. Morse his a convicted felon, not really a danger if he talks. Hicks is a marine, if he talks to the wrong people WY is finished.
Alien 3 is just fan fiction anyway.
I remember, they tried to rape Ripley until Dillon (Charles Dutton) beat the shit out of them. They feared Dillon.
A fascinating and entertaining analysis thanks for the upload!
My personal what if scenario, what is Lambert did not froze to death and made her escape when the alien attacked Parker?
gunmetal24 yeah. What if Lambert managed to get away from the Xenomorph quick enough for Parker to flame it????
I always thought parker should have lived. If lambert didn't freeze up like that.
Parker should of just fried Lambert with the xeno while she was being humped by it... dirty perve! :0
The cat should have tore the Alien's eyes out!
@@jackfisk2840 Right on Bro! I saw this during its original release date at the Egyptian Theatre on Hollyweird Blvd. I actually hollered out--just burn the bitch! Everyone turned around and looked at me and said "Fuck, Yeah"! Totally true story! Dude, we were all so stoned in that theatre! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pretty interesting and cool Alien What If Scenerio video Alien Theory !
"I thinks its safe to assume it's not a zombie" - Ash
“You have my sympathies”
I've just dipped into your content today while very hungover. I'm not gonna lie, your stuff is brilliant.
The real question is, will Parker get a full share?
An awesome theory by none other than Alien Theory.
"Life finds a way"
Quite. Which is why I'm not interested in Prometheus and Covenant.
A great thought provoking video, many thanks!
After the chestbuster comes out of Kane, there's no way it would attack Dallas and Lambert. Just like in the dinner scene, it was smart enough to make its escape because it knows its definitely way too small and vulnerable. It has to get away and allow itself to grow bigger and stronger. Dallas and Lambert might have killed it, but even if they missed, it would have escaped. Then it might have come back later after it grows bigger, although its not sure how much time that takes, probably several hours. Meanwhile with Kane dead, Ripley would still force the others to stay outside for the 24 hour quarantine. During that time, its anyone's guess whether or not the alien would come back to attack. If Dallas and Lambert are in the inner lock hatch, the alien would probably not be able to get to them, and they could wait out the 24 hours. But if they are on the outside, and if the alien comes back, they may very well wind up getting killed.
I think that only Kane would die, and its not sure whether or not Ash reveals his true colors. But either way, the Nostromo goes back to Earth, and Weyland-Yutani has the ships data, coordinates, etc., everything he needs to send an investigation crew to LV426. Ash would know that this information is just as important as obtaining a specimen and bringing it back. I'm absolutely positive that if Ash couldn't bring one back, all this other info would be just as valuable to The Company. From there, humans getting involved with the aliens, it'd be game over for our species.
Except that completely ignores the fact that The Company ALREADY KNOWS where the planet is. Furthermore, this ignores the fact that Weyland manages to get specimens anyway at a later date. Whether or not the alien gets on the Nostromo changes nothing except crew survival.
@@Gustav_Kuriga Except that Wayland Yutani did not know the exact coordinates of the planetoid with the Xeno. They know that it has to be somewhere in that sector (likely because they received the signal and did encode it), but there was a small problem. The lost ship nostromo and crew had shattered the image of Wayland Yutani and also did cost billions of dollars. The signal also got deactivated, so there it was getting very hard to locate the excat location of the planetoid. That is why WY started to terraform in that sector. They could sell it as "building better worlds" to the public and where secretly searching for the location of the Xeno infected ship.
Alien Isolation does pick up some parts of it "the black history part of WY about the loss of the nostromo and it's crew" and that it also caused a strong financial damage. The company also did not like to talk about this incident
100% agree ;DYour reasoning, more specifically its result, is actually hilarious! I never had thought that through, but this secret order screwed up everything! You're right, they would have enough time, could keep it relatively secret AND no one would be questioning their motives. Cuz, these procedures were probably triggered and used a few times before - just not with something as dangerous as these xenomorphs.
What if... Sir Ridley Scott had directed Alien 2. That would also be an interesting "what if" to think about. If alien hadn't fallen into the hands of Cameron, it wouldn't have been called "xenomorph", its life cycles including a queen wouldn't have been contrived, and it wouldn't have been portrayed as mindless insects/bugs, and the alien franchise as we know it would be totally different.
Fantastic video dude, and I hope you do more of these "What If" scenarios.
I do have something gnawing my mind for so many many years... were WYC aware of the Xenomorph lifeform BEFORE the events of Alien 1979 ? I mean, I may answer my own question here with the proofs of Ash presence and purpose to gather intel and the specimen at all cost but how did WYC got to know about that alien signal? Was this planned to be shown after the evens of Covenant? Why did they simply sent them space truckers to investigate? To evaluate the deadliness of the xenomorph specimen? Wouldn't they had been more efficient in dispatching a pure scientific vessel instead?
Even if I disliked Covenant a lot, I do hope we'll get to see how post Covenant and Alien 1979 bridge together!
I thought that the company's prime directive was a secret order issued to all flight androids on all their craft in case any of them ever encountered EBEs. It doesn't imply that Wetland Corps knew in advance of the organism on LV426.
Ian Holme a great supporting actor , no matter what , or whom he plays always puts in a Grade A performance .
*Ripley would have been left in 1 piece & Ridley wouldn't have bankrolled millions of $ so far!*
I stand strongly with Ripley on her decision to not letting Cane on board with that monstrosity attached to his face !!!
Ash is the newest Android to appear in the series. He was built just before the Nostromo ships off, just long enough to have his program installed, but not long enough for much of anything else. He Knows Jack s**t about human behavior and emotions. Instead of picking up on these behaviors, he replaces it with his own bizarre, cynical, sticks-out-like-a sore -thumb behavior. So when he is confronted with strong emotions (his own mortal fear) and strong behaviors (Ripley's outburst of anger & fear at him), it 'does not compute'. Weyland-Yutani must not want the alien that badly. They sent an unproven, underdeveloped Android with no combat programming & an inability to blend in well, to retrieve the ultimate weapon in a dangerous mission where combat programming and blending in are necessary...??? And that's not the only reason I say that about the company: He's an OUTSOURCED Android...!!! Made by Hyperdyne Systems...
Meanwhile, Weyland-Yutani, the biggest company there is, makes better androids, and they could have done it in-house without a paper trail 😯🤔😶
Pretty sure it was not the entire company that knew about the whole deal but some department who had to work with what they could get their hands on, fearing for someone else taking the credit for any major developments if they told the higher-ups, and those higher-ups assign someone more competent with proper resources to collect the xenos.
Z Zs and that is why I make comments on topics of discussion, because sometimes I get brilliant responses like yours. Makes total sense. Low level execs found out about the Xenomorph somehow(just like Burke in 'Aliens'), and scrambled to put together a low budget retrieval plan... Before someone with more money higher on the corporate food chain finds out, takes over, sends A Weyland-Yutani Walter or Bishop Android with an actual plan on the Nostromo, and captures the Alien. Or, the top brass could find out and just send in waves of mercenaries a-la-JP lost world and bring back pretty much everything.
What can i say, i work in a multinational corporation myself, i see this shit in real life far too many times. Luckily, IT support is not something that can get up and kill the customers/other employees. But if it could, after all the stupidity, ineptitude and sheer incompetence i have seen, god help us all.
Z Zs yeah, I understand. I once worked for an American car company, which starts with 'F' & ends with 'D'... The hierarchy, and cutthroat nature of the company made me sick. BTW yeah, Androids- bad idea. Let's see, through the series there's: Ash (Glitchy, Incompetent, prone to murder-ee/rape-ee outbursts), Bishop (Shining example of what an Android should be), Call (Defective Android with no program, serves an imaginary purpose), Walter (Excellent Android, but unfortunately MAY have been built with certain software that will sabotage his CPU if certain other Androids happen to need to steal his body), and finally... David, who might as well be Skynet. 5 of them. 2 could kill a person intentionally, 1 accidentally, 1 unintentionally if his program was overridden, 1 you are safe around. Yeah with todays incompetent workforce, it would probably be a higher number than 4 out of 5 that will or may kill.
Hah, yeah. Or maybe the only reason they would not murder people is because they would screw that up too. :)
It's probably safe to say, that if the quarantine had been enforced and the Alien had exited Kane's body, it would not have escaped the airlock, or the Dallas would have opened the exterior door and it would have left the Nostromo. The nature of the airlock means that it could not have escaped on to the ship itself. If it had been injured enough to bleed and create an hole, it would probably have been a fatal wound to a creature of its size (upon hatching). It looks far too small to seriously harm Dallas and Lambert. Without something to feed upon (and we can only assume that there were organic substances it could consume on the Nostromo), it seems unlikely that the Alien could have grown to a large enough size to be a threat. For growth to occur, it must ingest something. The mass has to come from somewhere. If Ripley had been obeyed, the body count on the Nostromo could have been just ONE.
That is... if the xenomorph didn't hide in the Nostromo's landing gear before it takes off and everything goes more or less as it did originally.
These videos are consistently great
What if Ripley had been the "Company man?"
You get a very short film : )
seriously though, been binge watching your channel on an Alien vibe, great stuff
Do what if the newborn didn’t kill the queen alien
As always you cease to amaze me of your as Alien theories..no pun intended!! 👍👍😎
They would have kept their asses in quarantine. "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." - Spock.
Hella interesting as always! Thanks again bro
I would have x rayed Kane after he woke up instead of assuming that a creature that stuck to his face, kept him alive and then just left him and died for no obvious reason. Ripley was smart and thinking outside the box but this was a rookie and and highly unlikely chain of events upon Kane waking. I know it was necessary to move the plot on, but this is the only stupid part in Alien for me. Still one of the scariest and brilliant films ever, the whole film is a rollercoaster ride of anxiety and fear. Not many films can achieve this for the full movie, we only catch a break the moment Kane wakes and after the Alien is ejected from the airlock.
Thank you for the recommendation. I enjoyed this What If. Please feel free to do more. I will watch them. A simple follow up would be "What if the alien was stayed hidden and undiscovered at the end of Alien".
If the alien never got onboard the Nostromo we would have never seen Ripley in her underwear.
Good stuff. I'm a huge fan of the 1988 Dark Horse comic. That is the history of Alien after the movie Aliens as far as I'm concerned. Alien 3, AVP, Prometheus (the worst) never happened in my world. :)
I get quite annoyed with things like not doing quarantines and stuff when I watch these horror type movies. Aliens is at least realistic about quarantines and how people are torn during a real situation, though I never fully understood Ash's whole thing as the android and how he acts. But besides Aliens the only other movie that I thought was done right was Life, where the scientist have take all the precautions that should be taken in that case.
I guess if Ripley had convinced Parker and Brett to return to Earth the first crews on Earth to board the Nostromo would have a bit of a shock when they opened the airlock. One body with a hole in its chest, Dallas and Lambert eviscerated all over the walls, and a giant xenomorph who has just seen its first food in 10 months.
All that assuming they didn't kill the chestburster in the airlock. If they did they may well have caused acid damage which could have compromised the integrity of the lock. If there was no acid damage, they would have starved to death, perhaps even resorting to cannibalism with Kane's body. Dark, I know lol