Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 3 Review (2020)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Lisa Gade reviews the 2020 Gen 3 refresh of the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme slim and light premium mobile workstation laptop. Thanks to our sponsor, Binkist. Go to www.blinkist.c... to try it out! The X1 Extreme 3rd gen is refreshed with Intel 10th gen H series 45 watt CPUs up to a Core i9, and dedicated graphics get a little boost to the NVIDIA GTX 1650 Ti Max-Q. The casing remains the same as last gen. There are FHD IPS, wide gamut IPS 4K and our 4K OLED touch screen with pen support to choose from. The laptop is easily serviced and upgradable, has a fingerprint scanner, Wi-Fi 6, optional 4G LTE and 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports in addition to a healthy selection of legacy ports and a full size SD card slot. It competes with the Dell XPS 15 and 16” MacBook Pro.
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I still have no idea why Lenovo still putting 300 nits screen on their Extreme product line. I thought it is along side with the Dell XPS 15 models and they have screen with 500 nits across all configuration. The poor screen is the reason why I try to sell my Gen 2 and get a dell XPS 17. Best keyboard on the world, but moderate screen. I would be back if one the the Extreme comes with a 16: 10 and 500+ nits screen.
agree about the dim screen on the gen 2, one of my gripes with it.
3 generations and they STILL did not go for 16:10...
No one buys a Business laptop to watch movies
@jaspal singh That's what a 21:9 external monitor is for. 😂😂😂
Im really surprised they didn't go for the 16:10 ratio like the 9th gen carbon and nano.
I have been waiting for a while for that, but it turns out now only Dell take the 16:10 screen ratios seriously, I mean, on their high end product line. And checkout the Gen 3's screen brightness, still 300 nits for base model, which does not make any sense to me.
@@Daysra Thanks for your intelligence, I did not know that they even done that before. Looks like very manufacturer leave some imperfect on their product deliberately :(
Wait 9th gen carbon will be 16 by 10? Niice
@@mingyanglu8679 yeah, coming out 2021!
@@Daysra I worked in there,I never buy any product from L because they are a Chinese company which thinks how to earn the maximum profits,a screen cost accounts for nearly half of the whole system,using interior screen is one of their strategies.
Finally, the review I was waiting for! Thank you Lisa - I wasn't going to invest in one before you reviewed!
looking forward to x1 nano review
Same here.. i have the x1 carbon 7th gen but if the nano is faster and more powerful i might switch
That's kinda cool
My next laptop yes please!
That answers my question: "is this the same as the x1 nano"?
@@mfolarin no the x1 nano is smaller and a lot lighter.. not as powerful but we will see..
Must have list for GEN4 is new 16:10 screen ratio, 3060timaxq gpu + vapor chamber cooling, better 4k screen (power consumption) and less or Thermal/Power throtling.
It would be a killer machine!
pro: light, decent gaming perf, quiet, can undervolt, upgradeable, nuf ports, can run skyrim at ultra@60fps
con:
- no actual worthy upgrade over gen1 or gen2
- no Ryzen CPU option
- bad battery life with 4k display (max 4 hours of work)
- heat and cpu power throtling after 2 minutes of 100% cpu utilisation or 80c, whatever comes first
- bios upgrades are not allowing 100% fan spinning and are impacting performance even more due to thermal throtling
- screen ratio is wasting space with bottom chin
- speakers could be better and louder
WHY can't companies just put a usb c thunderbolt port on both sides of the laptop! They only put 2 on the left, just put one one each side already!
Because it’s much more expensive than both on one side.
Samsung. Two on one side; one on the other side.
Last year's Dells xps 13 2in1 only had thunderbolt 3 on both sides and nothing else.
I think it is because of the docking stations they sell.
True to all that, but even with a docking station I don't see why you couldn't add an extra USBC on both sides? Like these are expensive pc's id be willing to pay a little extra to get an extra usbc on all sides? It shouldn't be that hard? Yes its cheaper, but its still a shame when its usb c charging and yet they don't add an extra on both sides
"Thinkpads tend to have pretty good speakers"
***Watching on x1 carbon 7th gen***
"Wut...?"
well 7th gen has better speakers compared to other Thinkpads
If you're not running the Dolby utility, you're not getting the best the speakers have to offer.
Got one and the sound is really good for such a slim device
RIP. I came from a 7th Gen and this thing is actually decent for speakers. I"m not giving up my trackpoint and ports for better speakers on something like the 2020 16" MBP, but it's getting tempting.
GREAT VIDEO tells me everything i need to know about this before i get 1.
All value judgements aside, I have been quite disappointed with Lenovo's ThinkPad line/quality/support the past two years. Every single X1/E/P1 I had had TB3 failures, and it was a huge pain in the ass to get Lenovo to agree to fix them. In contrast to the thinkpad line, the legion laptops have really been improving.
I was not ready for "we're gonna find out why now" instead of "WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT NOW"! 2020 really is full of surprises...
All of us just want the 16:10 aspect ratio, c'mon Lenovo
Your shirt made me laugh....
Will be dead on arrival - without 16:10 and with 300nits
After having used 16:10 in Dell XPS 9500, cannot go back to 16:9 🙂
16:9 is wider display some of us just like it
@@popokatapetl6995 Actually, width is the same. It's just that 16:10 has taller screen.
@@markomarko3336 already check it my friend it is not, check again ;)
@@popokatapetl6995 Depends on the model. WIth that extra chin, Lenovo could've put a taller screen while maintaining the same size.
@@Yulad_A they just don't have ear to listen Consumers, you have that right. Also there is a bit space to move the chin as well..will see with the 4th gen...
Worst laptop ever bought to date. Horrible thermal, poor battery, and disappointing performance with top of the range specs... farewell thinkpad
I'm jealous because it's cheaper to buy this in the US than in Japan.
Wake me up when they put a proper Ryzen processor on this thing, as it should be.
Ryzen is over rated if you want a high ryzen laptop go get a alien laptop or razor or other big end gaming computers. Lenovo not offering all that high res gaming specs as the true gaming computer companies do! Lenovo is wrong place 4 u.
@@ZackWolfMusic How does this run linux?
@@bro.weaver1282 You have to download linux...
@@ZackWolfMusic Lenovo is one of the FEW companies that makes proper laptops with Ryzen CPU's. Look up Legion 5 and Ideapad/Yoga slim 7. Razer and Alienware haven't released a laptop with Ryzen yet. Also Ryzen's strong suit is not gaming, but productivity/engineering workloads so you won't find high-end AMD "gaming" laptops in the market. if anything, you should be looking for Lenovo laptops if you want Ryzen. So everything you just said is wrong.
Well, I was once hoping for a ThinkPad T580 review. Did not happen. Then I waited for the T590 - similarly. Then T15 - apparently, this year is also not destiny. Well, let's hope for a review of the T15 Gen 2 next year. It is a pity that this series, with a numeric keypad, is constantly ignored.
Thinkpad fan boys checking in.
Smackdown against the XPS 15? Pleeease?
Put an AMD 4000 H series cpu in it and I'm sold. Now that AMD 4000 cpus are available, it makes laptops like this, that just have Intel 10th gen look much too expensive for the performance.
4800h would have much better battery as well, even 4800U would be awesome
I'd guess they need to add thunderbolt to convince most buyers to switch
@@neology81 AMD can now use thunderbolt, though it's still a bit rare
www.google.com/amp/s/www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/amd-motherboard-asrock-first-thunderbolt-certification-intel
Teenagers: I'll pass on this high-end business-oriented device until it has the right display aspect ratio and an AMD processor.
Lets just all stand up and applaud Lenovo for making a laptop that is sexy, solid and doesnt use any GLUE to put it together. I so regret buying the Surface Book.
Is this good for a programmer doing python? It looks a bit flimsy to me and i tend to rough handle my laptops. My latitude e5430 just died but it was a horse. Thanks for the excellent review
Whey doe reviewers go wild for a machine with an SD card slot - but ignore the lack of RJ45 Ethernet?
This series never had one. But the T14/T15 might still have it.
Lisa got a mean t shirt game
PshhhWhy do you think I come in to watch her videos each and every time!!! Lisa for PREZ!!! At least T-shirt Prez!!! lol
Love ya Lisa!!!!
She's a bad ass lady 😎
I'm on a gen2. Which it had the new Ryzen CPUs. The only troubles are with Lenovo drivers.
yea also on gen2, will see about upgrading in a couple of years they should have AMD by then
thoinkpad
I bought Gen3.
I think the firmware is not mature. It fails to wake up from sleep or overheats in my bag without going to sleep.
Are you don't have connected wireless mouse to it, by any chance?
No problems here on gen 2 very stable
I had something like this in my x1 carbon.. first of all, i recommend setting the sleep mode to linux on bios, that's the proper old sleep mode where the machine actually goes to sleep no matter what.. and second, i had wireless mouse and touching it made the machine wake up. I had to go to windows devices settings, open the mouse properties and turn off the “Allow this device to wake the computer” option.
Thanks, love that you open these up to show ugradability. Great job as always!
As usual, Lisa's reviews are the most accurate I've found on line. In my want to help out people in the community who may be as torn as I was before purchasing, I'd like to add some helpful tips from my personal experience. I was torn between 4k and FHD, so I bought both and am returning the 1080p. There is no comparison between the two. I'd heard grumblings about possible software interface problems with 4k, battery drain etc. I found that the 4k is a superior visual experience by leaps and bounds, it blows 1080p away. People told me originally that the human eye could not detect the difference between 1080p and 4k on a 15.6" screen. Not true at all. In Word, the tool bar icons were pixilated on the 1080p. On the 4k, there was no detectable pixilation and text is as sharp and clean and as beautiful as you'd see on late generation iPads. Maybe even sharper. When I italicized words in Word on the 1080p, in calibri font, the words were seriously pixilated. In 4k, again, zero pixilation. As for power drain from 4k, I left clicked the smaller battery icon and switched to power saver, and got hours of use unplugged. The 1080p maybe got an hour and a half more, not a deal killer since I'm plugged in most of the time. Let's talk about the lid on the 4k. You can't tell from the videos online as compared to a real-life experience how beautiful and cool the 4k carbon lid is. The carbon lid on the 4k adds a semi-rubbery industrial-cool texture that's not on the 1080p and the carbon thread design on the 4k lid makes the laptop look and feel way more premium than the 1080p, no comparison. Fan noise: so Lisa recommended not getting the i9 processor if you want the most chill quiet experience, instead, go with an i7 processor which I did. Since I write for a living, quiet is paramount. When I first started up the computer, when the computer was updating the BIOS etc., the fans came on pretty loud, but after the BIOS was updated and all updates were conducted, and I turned on to battery saver, I haven't heard the fans once in the span of 2 weeks, not even once. So big consensus with Lisa that i7 processor gives you a quieter experience. So fan noise complaints are in my opinion overstated. COLOR: this is a big one. When I first opened the laptop, I was a little horrified that the colors looked garish and neon-like, people's faces on TH-cam looked unnaturally and annoyingly red. Well I mucked around and discovered Lenovo Display Optimizer. Out of the box, the computer is set to NATIVE color in Lenovo Display Optimizer. Once I switched from NATIVE to STANDARD, colors were absolutely natural and beautiful and from that point I was utterly in love with the 4k version of the Extreme 3. It's a joy to work on. I was worried to hear there was less key travel on the Extreme Gen 3 as compared to Thinkpads of yesteryear, but key travel is excellent and it's a joy to type on. Last point, I heard that a lot of software don't interface well with 4k. In fact, there were glitches at first with some softwares, but after I either played around and/or called tech support for fixes, everything worked just fine. I have no interface problems at all. None. Love this laptop more than any I've ever had.
Hi Harrison, thank you for your addon to this review. Considering buying a 2nd hand unit. Wondering if you still satisfied with this laptop or any issue revealed in past 1 year?
Personally, i would never go for a workstation that slim.
Slimmer laptops tend to overheat a lot and end up throttling(heavily) under high load.
Still not 16:10? That's a shame.
Referring to military standards, abbreviated MIL-STD, those who use them don't read the acronym.. S, T, D 😄You just say "standard".
AMD AMD CPU pls
The "carbon fiber" on the back is fake. Don't buy it for awesome materials; buy the XPS 15 instead if you're looking for that
they brought back the good charging port instead of the one that always falls out by itself. smart move
Just got this laptop and it's well worth it. It's keyboard is almost as good as my DAS blank mechanical keyboard. Don't buy a MAC. If you need a MAC just use an AWS MAC OS EC2 instance.
Thinkpad P15! Do Thinkpad P15!
Sucks
@@ZackWolfMusic Noooo! it's the best
@@TactileCoder No Lenovo thinkpad p1 gen 2 is the best!
If it had 16:10 slim bazeles display, and amd ryzen CPU's, it was perfect!
Agree! But apparently there's a deal between lenovo and Intel to keep the X1 flagshit line (X1 Carbon, X1 Extreme, X1 Yoga, etc) Intel-only.
Lisa! Your shirts are always on point! Great reviews too! Glad I found and subscribed to your channel! ROCK ON!
Touch screen on OLED is not natural, instead there is a screen (a net you will notice) covering on the top of the original screen.
Despite larger dimensions X1 Extreme 3rd Gen is 300g lighter than XPS 15 2020...
Without 16:10 I am going for XPS 15 (and this after being loyal to thinkpads for decade)
Put 16:10 screen in there and you got a perfect machine (in which case I might sell the XPS and get the new thinkpad)
No Amd 4000 series, no buy.
Does anyone use this model for autoCAD, SOLIDWORKS, fusion 360?
It looks like it's from the 90's
Review Lenovo Ideapad Slim 7 15 GTX please..... Great vídeo.
Andrew Marc David did a review on it. The only one out there I believe.
The only thing missing is a numpad. Are numpads not a thing anymore? Last time I bought a laptop was 2012.
Dear IBM, please make one with a numpad!
I returned my X1 Extr. Gen2 and wait for the XPS15. THe List of problems were endless. Wifi sucks, Quality issues, new driver causing problems, Fingerprint....... the list goes on and on. Lenovo used to be rock solid. This seems over.
I have since a year ago a Gen2 maxed out.
And has been a disappointment in terms of quality and performance.
Lots of widespread drivers problems, specially with a faulty BIOS that messed the keyboard and took 6 months for Lenovo to resolve, a quality issue with the screws and the notebook materials, problems with excesive fan noise and also problems with a display driver that reduces the brightness of the display around 10% and Lenovo hasn't fixed yet.
Also, the performance is good but isn't spectacular compared to rivals. It is better on others.
The battery life is horrible too, at least on the 4K version. No longer than 3 hours on normal usage.
I don't know if all those problems has been fixed in the Gen3. I asume that yes, because, for example, they removed the right Smartcard slot that produces a vibration on the chassis while typing on the Gen2, and, when you ask for warranty for the keyboard issue, you get a better one as a replacement as were reported by many users affected.
But, only because of the drivers and support problem, I can't recommend Lenovo anymore. I suggest to skip this Notebook and the ThinkPad brand, and go for a Dell XPS, on even a MacBook Pro 16 with 9th gen Intel chip and 5500M Radeon graphics. It would be a better and safe choice.
I returned it bcs the keyboard is just not the same anymore. Considerably less key travel than my x1 carbon 5th gen... Btw same cam, same weight, same size (large display bezel) as the other generations, pretty poor.
Well, i am not qute sure what to get, tbh. I am using my laptop (old and very slow, 13 inch - not good for editing) for photo editing sony a7R3 files (50MB/Raw) so, a convertible and touchscreen should be nice, and i also do a lot of typing, like emails, linkedin, facebook, skype, viber etc, on daily basis, so good battery is a nice thing. Using mostly documents.
What machine should i go for? There are 11th gen intel cpus, new ryzens and... hm. Help. Got around 1500-1600$ max.
I don't get it. Why does the Extreme model not using the latest and the greatest?
small correction: ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 3. does not have optional Smart card Reader beacuse of 4G LTE option , this is the marked difference between of the construction of Gen3 and Gen2 ; another one si absence of Ethernet extension connect - replacable by using USB-C /LAN adapter, (SIM slot is available only on WWAN models)
No 16:10 or AMD Ryzen. I'll pass until it has at least one of those.
@OnitsukaTiger82 USB-4 is the same as Thunderbolt, so once USB-4 is supported, no need for Thunderbolt.
watching on T470
This is an EXTREMELY great video!!! (get it?)
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I swear this isn't an ad
So...is Lenovo going to do anything about those atrocious bezels? They're ridiculously large for no reason.
Best reviewer in the world.
I own the first gen 4K i7 version and it’s the worst laptop ever. CPU throttles at 80C and performance is laggy under 4K resolution. The whole package feels stupid
Say f***ing what??? cant get any sense out of it
I would rather buy T15
😂😭😡😢😑😪
Who the hell invented saying that a "Laptop", or "Notebook", or "portable Computer" is a "Workstation"?
Just the fact that your work on it while sitting, doesn´t make it a "Station". A station is "stationary". A Notebook is "portable".
Is it me, and I am lost in translation, or is it this Women?
Is there anything else like the surface book that has powerful graphics (for auto Cad and occasional gaming), is 360 cover table, and has pen input
3rd generation... I keep mine.
Poor Quality,Poor Screen,just tons of shipment
Is it binkist or blinkist
Can you do review on X1 carbon gen 9 but the top of range with high res display
Lisa. please review the Thinkpad P1 Gen 3 Xeon with the OLED Touchscreen. The P1 Gen 2 review review was great. I hope the P1 Gen 3 still has a matte OLED touchscreen.
i was really hoping they put an RTX2060 maxQ studio card in this laptop for this generation. oh well. i hope they release an AMD version next.
Good comprehensive review.. looking forward to Thinkpad x1 Carbon Gen 9 2021 refresh.. I would wait for 2021 refresh of this laptop 16:10 aspect ratio screen.
Nice. I like your videos. Can you do comparisons videos? Like performance and reliability between this X1 extreme vs T14, especially.
The loss of the dedicated mini ethernet port is a real loss, imo.
I wish they had an AMD Ryzen version of this
Don't sweat it one will come soon.
I love Lenovo laptops. Full disclosure, I have x1 carbon. The only issue is Lenovo laptops are fingerprint magnets. Something to keep in mind if you have OCD. 🙂
How do the speakers compare to previous models? I always found macbook speakers to blow the thinkpad x1s out of the water, hoping it has finally got better??
Been waiting to splash out $Au5-6k+ for an X1 Extreme for a few years now, hoping this Gen3 will the year, but was pretty disappointed when I saw the spec so gonna hold out for another year when 11th Gen comes out. Looking to upgrade from my Aorus X5 6850H & GTX 1070.
Thinkpads needs to shed those thick bezels...
lisa is the 1650 gpu any good for lets say some pubg gaming on the 1080p ips resolution?
thank you🙋
would you test it for gaming? i'm curious about that, thx a lot lisa
price? fan noise dcb read?
I have the Gen 2 and there 3 things I hate about it. 1 how hot it gets to the point I think it slows down to not fry itself, 2 the positioning of the CTRL key and the FN. They're positioned backwards from your standard Windows computer and it annoys the he'll out of me, drives me nuts that Lenovo did this and 3 the backlit keyboard doesn't stay lit. Say you turn it off and you reboot it, it'll startup with the keys off, again annoying but not as annoying as the CTRL & FN keys. Otherwise I love this computer, especially how upgrade friendly they made it. About 6 screws on the bottom and wala, you're in unlike HP that makes them complicated to upgrade.
You can easily swap the ctrl and fn keys and I never look at them so it's fine
I will wait until Intel 11th gen...
Currently on Extreme Gen 2
Same.
3rd gen is basically the same laptop.
I'm waiting for 16:10 screens. And AMD. If that doesn't happen in next 2-3 years, well, I'm jumping ship for some other OEM that offers what I want and need :)
P.S.
Port selection and especially the keyboard is best out there. By far.
What display you have? I got fhd500 nits but max brightness go only to 253 and lenovo dont give a shit. Nit long ago find out thats intel driver problems but lenovo constantly push new intel driver and i have to manually force old ones.
The screen looks funny. Why there’s black bars? Does it look the same when u surf on the net or have excel open?
Can you review the x1 nano? I also doubt the battery life numbers Lenovo put out. I have X1 yoga and I never get anywhere close to the 17 hours they claim. More like 5-6 hours max. Can you do real life battery test on these too?
Hello is this better than the apple macbook pro i7?
I have the P1 G2, removal of the ethernet port is a pretty big downside imo
Wonder if this will have the screen flicker like the P1 Gen2's..
Great to see another video Lisa 😁👍
i love these reviews so much
I may be in the market for a gaming laptop. which laptop do you recommend? I would prefer something with for around $1500?
Hey, love your vids. Think you could get your hands on the Chuwi hipad X? It's an Android tablet with pen support for around $250. Can't find any reviews on it for some reason
Love this channel❤
Great review as always. How about the Thinkpad p14s? The AMD option looks interesting!
Hi! Long time watcher here 🙂 I supremely like your concise and informative reviews! Could you please do a review of the new ThinkPad T15g. Many thanks 🙏