Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2 Review
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- Lisa Gade reviews the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2, the 2019 refresh of this slim yet powerful 15.6" laptop with Intel 9th gen 45 watt CPUs and NVIDIA GTX 1650 Max-Q graphics. The ThinkPad is available with a variety of displays, both matte non-touch and touch. At the high end there are 4K wide gamut IPS and 4K OLED touch panels. This is one of the thinnest and lightest mobile workstation class laptops and it goes up against the Dell XPS 15 7590 and even the Razer Blade 15 Advanced.
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youtube decided to show me your videos again. i had almost forgotten what real reviews looked like.
Lisa, how is display scaling on windows laptops now? I want to upgrade to a 4k display, but i feel like windows scaling might back fire lol, and make me regret my purchase??
@@JitinMisra if you care about battery life, dont.
Is this laptop also God for casual current gaming and Adobe software use? Compared to acer nitro 5 which one should I buy if I have heavy use of Adobe and want to play current gen and some old games casually?
About a year and a half ago, We paid "Top Money" for Lenovo's "flagship" laptop "ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2"
In the last 2 weeks the battery swollen and damaged the motherboard, keyboard and mouse pad (all bend and may have cracks)
Now, warranty is 3 year, but the battery is only 1 year ... that's ok .. we will buy a new battery.
Lenovo cancelling this repair case, is a disgrace not taking responsibility for poor laptop design.
I can assure you that this is my last Lenovo laptop, same for our company ... by the way, it an amazing egg cooker dissipating so much heat you can't put it on your knees ...
She went straight to the business with out wasting any time and footage, this is how a review should be. Subscribed !
She's always been like that, she's a great reviewer
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I just recently stumbled across this channel and am amazed that upgradability/user accessible parts are pointed out.
99% of users never upgrade laptop.
@@imho4990 maybe but if you have a ram laying around, you'd want to use that to save money
@@imho4990 also if you are a video editor, the ssd will fill up very quickly
@@TheRIZKYRAMA I'm video editor and I'm always use external huge drive. I need many TB. SSD inside laptop does't matter at all.
@@imho4990 but we do like to have options, no?
This is by far the absolute best actual review I've seen in years with real data and knowledge. Bravo
Best laptop reviews on TH-cam right here! Thanks Lisa!
Have been waiting long for this review. Thank you, Lisa
Lisa you do the best reviews. Thank you. I just ordered the P1.
Your reviews are always spot on. Thank you.
always find myself going back to Lisa's Videos. Always informative and straight to the points! Thank you
another awesome top and a great, detailed review!
Yay, Lenovo stuff! Can't wait till you do the C940! Interested to see how it turns out! Love your shirt, too! Awesome review, as always!
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I still cant wait for the 730 15" review.
Excellent video Lisa, thanks so much for sharing! My brother is in the market for a business laptop as he is a top IT specialist & programmer. I shared this video with him, I’m sure he’ll be delighted with the information that you shared.
Until next time...thank you Lisa!
great review!! so hard to find a review as helpful as this these days
Lisa thanks for providing such great reviews, I have been following this channel for a while and love it.
Exellent reviews, one of the most thourough yet easily understandable reviewers out there. Subscribed.
Still rocking the T480 thanks to your awesome sauce review.
This channel is underrated. 👍🏻
If it was a 2 in 1, I would have definitely buy an OLED panel. I went the Yoga X1 gen 4 way at the end. 😊
You helped me make some major purchase decisions for college, love your content!
Always enjoy your reviews, everything I need to know about latest laptops... keep up the good job!
One of my favorite tech youtubers :). Professional, organized and unbiased
Please recommend other tech youtubers. I love Lisa's reviews. Thanks.
Hi X1E owner :), do this X1E touchpad issue happen to you? th-cam.com/video/wL_6wgGgbIA/w-d-xo.html
The best laptop review I have ever watched. Wow
Very good quality review. I applaud the presentation style. Straight to the point and informative.
Yasss Great Video! You're one of the few that displays the carbon fiber weave on the upgraded display option. You've confirmed my decision to buy this bad boy.
Thanks Lisa for your reviews!
This review such an efficient use of time - thank you!
One of the best designed PRO laptops, ports and options, and upgradeability to the extreme, not as sealed and locked down as some.
I wish Lenovo redesigned that ugly ThinkPad text on the lid. It's just unsightly and takes away from the clean, minimalist look.
@@nachiketdhende8681 I like the Thinkpad, but I don't like the X1 logo. Also, we need the old RGB logo from IBM.
I actually would like an all metal design.
@@Tigerex966 Lenovo/Thinkpad is starting to offer them, but I think we have to be careful to avoid the XPS' Macbook-knockoff perception
@@elenchus I say go for it but make it black or titanium
Apple and dell were behind Sony with aluminum, and apple does not have ports, or a good keyboard, or pointer, or any upgradeable ssd, or ram, or display options like 4k touch or oled.
But apple does have a great track pad and great speakers up top.
Two things I wish Lenovo will copy.
Soon they will thin their bezels to get to 16 inches like Dell did with their xps 14" that were 13" models
Best review channel. I love your videos and the fast and straight delivered informations.
You're really great, very helpful info, hadn't considered the Thinkpad, glad i found your video
Hi X1E owner :), do this X1E touchpad issue happen to you? th-cam.com/video/wL_6wgGgbIA/w-d-xo.html
Wow!! You are so efficient with how you speak! I can tell you know your stuff and put lots of work into the video! Great job.
I had unsubscribed, since I was not looking for any technology. But subscribed again. The only straightforward reviews on TH-cam
Business user now on my 18th ThinkPad. I've owned them since day one when the first Intel i3 was released; even have a ThinkPad *quad core* Intel i3.
All of those eighteen models run continually; doing items such as World Community Grid and other such projects.
Never had one single ThinkPad fail; which states a lot considering how long they have been around.
Thanks for your insights on the usb c charging. Surprising how many people overlooked it.
i just bought this laptop, mainly because of your review. thank you
We Love You Lisa!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️
omg i waited 3 months for this
Very good review, as always thank you :) Now, this X1 Extreme Gen2 has become my dream laptop. I guess I "have" to make a switch from my old T.
lisa ur great u deserve more subs!!
I'm not even looking to buy a laptop right now but my friend sent me this cos he wants to buy it and I love your review format so much that I kinda just wanna watch more of your laptop reviews 😂
I am a simple man, I see MobileTechReview ThinkPad review video, I click.
This is it, the perfect laptop for my editing needs!
Hi, Lisa. Great review as always. Could you please be so kind to run LatencyMon to check if DPC latency is still an issue with the latest bios update?
The best channel for laptop reviews, but I recently was thinking that even though the companies offer you the top-of-the-line models to review, you should also ask for a model that is most likely to be bought. I'd love to be able to buy the top-spec models, but that's not going to happen, so please review (instead or in addition) models mere mortals will be considering. Thanks!
Thank you for review!
Lisa review the Lenovo C940! Please , you have the best reviews hands down.
Lisa and Thinkpad, can't get any better than this!
Please do the S740 14in. I love your reviews and I don't think i'm comfortable buying a laptop before seeing your review of it.
Great review. Nice machine. Would be great if more focus could have been spent on the battery (real vs technical spec battery time, etc)
wow I first subscribed to you when you had about 4k subs... this is impressive..!!!! I hope your channel grows even more!
Wow, you're one of the earliest subs- thanks for watching over the years!
But! Does your excitement and surprise mean you never checked back after subscribing... blasphemous!
@@raisingbarssince1978 LOL 😂apparently yes. so i was looking for a review on youtube for this specific product (it wasnt popular so I had a hard time finding reviews) and I came across this channel. I really liked the way she reviewed stuff so I subscribed her immediately! but yea that was itttttt im sorryyy 😭😭
@@asj9469 iam sure Lisa will forgive you ;-)
I can't wait to graduate. Gonna treat myself with one of these puppies.
I might do the same bud!
I find you and your videos more persuasive to watch than some of the creators with Millions of Subs.
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using an aero 15x v8 thanks to you and a few other reviews, and still love it. 2 m.2 slots helps just as much as i was afraid of lol.
love the aero 15 specs... the case just feels so sharp and cheap
@@treffermedia9202 doesnt feel cheap at all, yes sharp lol but i wouldnt say cheap. some tight fits on it that are expensive to keep consistent. also a thicker sheet than really necessary especially on the top, for rigidity, which others lack
@@bradhaines3142 had the aero 15 two times in my hand in the store.... was 100% sure that this will be my new machine.... for me the plastic above the keyboard with the tiny holes and the plastic cover around the ports killed this machine for me :( I was so sad... usually I am all about specs, was surprised that it had this effect on me. I might go for the xps 15 with the sucking thermals... hopefully the xps 7500 will have better thermals...-..
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Hi Lisa, reviewing the best laptop in the universe again? I can't wait until I get my first X1 Extreme :)
Hi X1E owner :), do this X1E touchpad issue happen to you? th-cam.com/video/wL_6wgGgbIA/w-d-xo.html
Really tempted by this. Any idea if there's a WWan upgrade option? Will one fit in the socket provided?
Excellent review! New subscriber
Need to upgrade from my 2015 Macbook Air. Been thinking about getting this one hence been watching this review for couple of times already. Any chance for comparison smackdown between this one and the new 16 inch Macbook Pro? Thanks Lisa!
After using this for over 2 months now, I can say this is definitely an amazing laptop for 2019.
do you get scared of heat issues when playing games?
@@dinothunder629 Not really much of a gamer. Using linux on my setup. But for other ML tasks, runs like a champ!
@@AkashSharma02 Did you face any annoying fan noises like many do?
Yes. It seems to have fan issues, but undervolting the CPU keeps it contained
Did you face the Thunderbolt issue that happens on most of the Thinkpads early this year?
I am strongly considering this over a MBP.
Lisa, Why is it that I find your voice very ASMR-ish? This is one of the reasons why I love watching your videos. Of course, aside from the great content and information, your videos provide.
I just ordered one, based largely on your reviews. i9, 32GB, 1TB, 4k touch.
FINALLY THANK YOU
Got the Gen 2 with the 9750 and 32gigs of ram with the 4k OLED touch. Really loved this thing. Undervolted CPU -150 & Graphics -80 seems like battery runtime went up & fans are definitely a little more silent - was really loud at the beginning i was shocked, the bios update may have dun some fixes too tho.
Great review as usual btw! :-)
Can you run a cinebench r20 and geekbench on your build please ? I'm very curious on the performance after undervolt
Hi Im considerung to get that one too. But Im not quite sure about the oled option.
There are some reviewers who say that the flickering/PWM of the oled bothers them or that its not comfortable to look at white backgrounds. Hows your experience with the panel?
Also how much batterylife to you get out of it?
Does undervolting the graphics as well make a difference? I have only undervolted cpu before but I can see you can do it in the same intel tuning utility app
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The OLED is absolutely amazing. I'm very sensitive to bad screens, and I haven't had an issue with this one. The only problem is that it's too bright on max 😉
@@ThomasRBA Thx for the answer. So no problems looking at whites dor long periods of time?
How is the batterylife?
Hey lisa, thanks!!
The dell XPS 15 7590's fans were so darn loud from even light work such as having a couple of word docs open and some internet tabs (no video) open. Many times after closing all the programs and closing the lid of the laptop there would be sudden loud fan noises for a couple of seconds then slow down. It drove me nuts in just 2 weeks of having that laptop. I returned it and bought a Thinkpad X1 Extreme Gen. Waiting for it to arrive to try out its features.
Interesting - aside from the ports and a larger battery it's very similarly spec'ed to the upcoming C940 15". Lenovo are catering well to both the ThinkPad and Yoga camps lately!
Nice review as always. Maybe could have gone over the upgradeability even more thoroughly since that is one of the selling points. Specially the SSD for anyone considering upgrading or adding a second M.2 nvme drive. You have to make sure to get single sided SSD drives (other side totally flat pcb only) as those are the only ones that fit officially. I found this out the hard way while trying to move my old drive from P50 to my new P1 Gen2 (same build as the X1). I've seen some people force double sided drives into the slot and report that they work but the drive will clearly be bent and don't know if it works for long.
Very good review.
I would like to see a metal version with the xps battery size. and razor's vapor chamber.
this is a business laptop lol
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Gen 3 and if you're making a review for it anytime soon? Also, do you know why MacBook Pro's have no issue putting four thunderbolt ports and even the highest-end Windows laptops struggle to just put one? Finally do you think waiting on a Gen 4 or 11th Gen Intel chip is the way to go? Seems like Thunderbolt 4 and potentially 5G WWAN card is a pretty compelling case.
would probably be wiser to wait on AMD chips. The Gen3 doesn't add much to the table that would really make a noticable difference. The Gen2 can be had for like 500-600 bucks less than their Gen 3 equivalents. 10g less weight, moderate performance bump on the processor with boost increase from 4.5GHz to 5GHz single core (measurable but most likely not noticeable unless you export video), a noticeable memory speed bump (2666 vs 3200) and a little bit stronger dedicated GPU (1650 maxQ vs 1650Ti maxQ) and a 100nits bump on the 4k IPS panel. To me, this is not enough to justify the premium. Looking at pricing right now, a Gen2 i7, 16GB, 512GB NVMe, 4k IPS configuration costs about as much as a Gen 3 i5 (no dedicated GPU), 16GB, 512GB NVMe, 4k IPS.
I'm also not sure wether you can undervolt the Gen3 chips as well as the Gen2 chips which WILL reduce heat and therefore thermal throttling.
Went with the X1 Extreme Gen 2 because it has the smart card reader and fingerprint reader. Plus it's easier to upgrade vs the HP. This will be my first Lenovo computer so I am excited and nervous so we'll see what all the rave is about. I've pretty much been a Dell or HP kinda guy most of my life. If HP had offered the CAC card and fingerprint reader I probably would have bought that instead. I generally like how HP makes it easy to restore and reset to factory settings the laptop.
I purchased this laptop a few weeks after its release and for the most part I’m really happy. It’s really quiet, very powerful and the display is beautiful on the UHD IPS non-touch display. I only have two gripes. The battery life isn’t that great. I’m only really getting about 4-5 hours of use (with full brightness) doing basic tasks (word processing, internet, mail, etc.) and the power brick isn’t the most portable in design (it’s split in two pieces with the cord and brick separated). Overall, I would highly recommend this laptop. I was able to get it with a teacher discount and on sale (with a 3-year on-site warranty) for $2900. Specs: i7-9850H, 32gb memory, 1TB drive.
I NEED this one...
Lisa rocks!
.....The laptop I still use in 2019 is called the 2007 Lenovo ThinkPad X61s and works flawlessly as a Swiss watch, with an installed ... win 10 system, for which they post video on my channel.
Can you please review the latest Aero 15 OLED from Gigabyte? I know CUK-USA has them in stock. I'm mainly concerned about battery life and fan-noise with the OLED panel
Was not sure if I should bite the bullet and spend my money on the Thinkpad, now I am, so thanks for the straightforward review
watching on my Thinkpad X1 extreme gen 1 ^^
How's the battery life? Any issues you find?
Md Rahman I hear that it has an excellent battery. Lenovo claim about 10 hours.
@terakdungdes does it support pen/stylus?
@@kokizzu i believe it does, just like any touchscreen display
@@mdrahman6732 3.5 hrs max on battery.. for what i do, it's not an issue.. yet i believe it would for some..
running 4K display 1.5TB SSD and 48GB RAM
03:18 398 nits, thanks for measuring. I have only 265 nits with same 4K IPS... so sent it back. (But by the way 1000:1 contrast)
Do you know how colour accurate the 1080p model is? I'm considering getting it for photo editing
I would also like to know this
for photo editing you should get the 4K display
I have the 4K OLED I9 as well. Great laptop even though ive had some issues with mine mainly seem to be software and driver related at the moment. Speakers and Battery life are my biggest complaints. Even with my programs closed and just surfing the web and answering emails I get a little less than 3 hours of battery life with battery saver on.
You have th i9 really? Have you ever experienced fan noise/hi-temp issues? Any undervolting or repasting with yours? I'm considering buying the X1 Gen 2 but I can't decide between I9 and i7 :o
Hi Lisa, I'm thinking of buying the 1st-gen of X1 Extreme with the slightly faster i7-8850H instead of the i7-8750H.
Is it better to buy that or wait for the 2nd-gen of X1 Extreme to be available in my area, which would be very very long considering my country is not their main market unless I'm buying it through enterprise channel.
Hi, I am curious about viewing angles of 4k oled display? Is it good or bad like the old 4k displays.
Another great review! After seeing the review of the ThinkPad P53, I wish they'd put the guts of this into the P53 chassis and go up to RTX 2080 graphics. C'mon, really put the Extreme in the name!
Would love to see a review of the HP Elite Dragonfly with the Intel i7 , and after a review a smackdown with the Lenovo ThinksPad X1 Extreme Gen 2
Hi i love watching your videos because you are very informative. I have a question for you. I am thinking about getting a gaming computer but i want a good one that has 4k OLED and at least 144 or 240 refresh rate and i need it 2 be a touch screen and either 16 or 32 ram. hard drive at least 512 if not 1TB. And i have $3,000.00 to spend on it. I need 2 also hook up my wireless xbox controller and play my xbox games on it. I was hoping you could tell me which lenovo system i should pick? I also want to make music and edit videos and draw with it. Thanks for your help and i really enjoy your videos
great review. I prefer the 13 inch for mobility and a desktop when not on the go. I watched this to see if Linux and FreeBSD were mentioned, humm guess I was too optimistic on that front. I prefer this to the XPS 15 or 13 because I prefer a cooler running machine, the main thing I'd miss from the XPS is the narrow bezels. they've got so many display options but none with a narrow bezel, not even if I'd pay $$$? they did so many things right, but not this, too bad. I think there is a business opportunity here, not just with Lenovo, but MacBook Airs too. perhaps not too many people want to $1000 for a display?
Hey, is it me or did they completely stop selling the 4K screen option on the Lenovo site for this X1 Extreme? Can't find it anywhere nor have an option for you to upgrade when clicking Customize
Would you please review the yoga c940 ice lake with 4k display..
Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme (Gen 2) or Thinkpad P1 (Gen 2) in the top end trim?
Since many consider Thinkpads to be a great Linux laptop and I recently purchased and have gone through whats required to get Linux up and running on the X1 Extreme Gen2 I thought I'd give a few pointers to anyone considering doing it. As with any hardware when you go to the latest and greatest, unless you are happy to do a bit of work, you need to give the technology a while to settle in before putting Linux on it. Below is a guide based on my experience for those wanting to do it right now that are willing to persevere, it requires some skill to implement.
I'm personally running KDE Neon (Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS) with the OLED version. YMMV, I expect by the time 20.04 comes out a many of the problems I mention below will be resolved.
WiFi:
Out of the box WiFi wont work on older releases because the kernel is older than the WiFi card used. I believe its fixed 19.10 onwards but if you are using an older version like me the easiest way to solve it is to install the HWE (hardware enablement) stack.
Sleep:
This was the big nasty for me. If you close the lid or put the laptop to sleep from the menu it either wont resume or will resume with no display. This is due to a problem with the deep sleep mode and I think the graphics drivers. To solve this simply change to light sleep mode by using the kernel option and set it to s2idle instead of deep. The side effect of this is you can't leave it asleep for days without power.
NVidia/Intel graphics switching :
I had mixed success with this. I think with a bit of perseverance you could get it working but since I don't play games the best thing I found was to disable the nVidia card by setting the remove flag in /sys/bus/pci/ on login (this is basically because you can't disable the card in the BIOS). This gave me vastly more battery life and works perfectly. Personally I'd like to see Lenovo offer more laptops without additional graphics cards as Intel cards are very capable these days and unless you play games additional cards are totally unnecessary.
OLED:
Interestingly enough I've had very little issues with either fractional HiDPI scaling (KDE Neon has this sorted) or the OLED itself. The only thing you will notice is when using the Intel graphics the screen is full brightness and the controls don't work. What I did was write a couple of scripts which make use of the xrandr brightness option and mapped then to the various power modes and keys using the KDE control panel options.
Thunderbolt:
I don't personally like Thunderbolt as I think its a fundamentally bad idea for security reasons so I've just disabled it. Apologies but I can't offer advice on how to get this working or even if it works. I will say though there's been a lot of BIOS issues (some even resulting in bricking!) and Linux issues around this so I imagine it might be a rough ride (but I don't know).
Summary:
Overall under Linux this is an awesome laptop with very good battery life (despite being OLED) but as of today (November 2019) getting it working is certainly not for the feint hearted. If you have some Linux experience and are not afraid of the command line though, once you set it up its sweet. I expect by the time 20.04 comes out we will be in a much better state.
oled screen they sent me suck.. with tons of small black dots.. you can see it when near and weird stuff.. i have the yoga oled and while it had other defect (dark gamma broken and color artefact) the screen is 100x better... dont listen to anybody who say that screen is good..
they tried to make it touch, mate and 15" but fucked up.. in the process.. we dont want touchlayer that create a haze over the screen and same with mate crap ..
@@lextr3110 sounds like you've had some bad luck, mine looks great. Although I do agree it's annoying having to buy it with touch which I didn't want either.
@@DanielBull dont you have color haze when moving your head? and when you are near dont you see small black dots ?? im waiting for replacment so will see
@@lextr3110 not that I've noticed?
are you sure? near you dont have any problem with the screen? everybody on the forum say its all of the screen that have these defects
We need a review of the Samsung Notebook 7 Force. It could be a alternative to both the XPS and the X1
Thank god for the 4K IPS option, OLED isn’t ready yet.
I wish the esc key was above the function keys like the og thinkpad layouts other than that love this thing.
I love your reviews of laptops and I cannot hide my love for ThinkPad models. You give detail and fair comparisons to other laptops.
Lisa, please help me by sending me a link to any quality laptop suitable for 3d animation program. My budget is $1200. Counting on your reply ASAP. Thank you.
I tend to buy reliable and dependable tools that will help me to get things done quicker and more efficiently than I was before. If that "tool" stays broken all the time, that won't do me any good. BF & CM is coming up, I am sure you'll be able to find a laptop that is best for your needs, gl.
@@robertktw thank you for your reply. When will it come up?
@@emmanuelofei4388 it looks to be Friday, Nov 29, and Monday, Dec 2nd. But if you are in the market for a laptop, start checking out prices now, so you will know when to buy. gl.
@@robertktw That's great. Thank you
Hope you are able to do a video review of the ASUS ROG HERO III 2019 model with 2070
I wish more writers knew of the amazingness of a ThinkPad keyboard.
I use an egpu (Akitio Node and 2070 SC) with a P52 and as long as I disable the quadro before connecting, it works just fine.
The only downside is if I undock and want to use the quadro to game offsite, I have to basically re-install the quadro drivers. But meh. Thats more to do with quadro vs gaming drivers, not so much Lenovo.
I am picking up one of these at work as my daily driver in the office. Nice to hear it uses the proper charger.
Hi, I don't know if the question has already been answerd in the comments before, but I couldnt find it so here it goes. Did the OLED screen show any mesh/grid looking layer across the screen? Making white colours look greyish? Mine and many others X1E G2 and P1 G2 with the OLED screne have had that problem...
I've had trouble being impressed by Lenovo these days. But this one is actually quite impressive. Decent hardware, ability up upgrade things here and there and decent displays. I still think over all it falls a little short over say the XPS 15, but that's a pretty high standard. Still that keyboard is one of the best in the industry as a whole. Usually Levovo buyers need to give up something to have that keyboard. But with the gen 2 X1 extreme, finally buyers have a fairly well rounded package.
Have you checked the dpc latency ? I think this also a very important thing for many peoples... gamers, musicians...