This was soooo insightful about the justice sensitivity. The example of the woman in the supermarket was so good. It’s that crushed feeling when someone thinks you have done something selfish or thoughtless when you are trying so hard and care so much but your working memory lets you down (again!) and you zone out or forget to do something. It’s devastating when people assume the worst of you when you are trying so hard. 😢
Lost my dad Saturday nov 9 due to him unaliving himself. He had severe ADHD. This is scarily accurate. He was an alcoholic. He did so friggn good for like 15 years and my aunt got diagnosed with cancer and we had her for acouple more years. Great episode. Wow.❤ I too was diagnosed in my late 20s in early recovery. Ive had issues in life wit drugs and alcohol. But have been on suboxone and clean from h since 2018. What a great speaker. I love her. ❤
@heygalicious thank you so much 💓 I am not alone in this journey. With amazing people like you & my counselor. Her and I life is so much alike and she has adhd as well and helped me get on meds for mine. Although idk if it's the best and I always have issues at pharmacy getting it filled cuz there are shortages. Mine is conserta. Anyway I appreciate you're sweet words and am sorry for you're loss as well. I've been procrastinating in signing his cremation paper but I have it open now. God bless you. Xoxoxo
Literally 20 seconds into your "ad," I felt compelled to get up and fuss with things in the room that weren't quite right. I made myself sit here. And watch the whole "ad." Late diagnosis ADHD right here.
Post natal depresson/ chronic depression and ADHD? Absolutely. Another puzzle piece slots into place. In my 60's now and unable to get a formal referral through the GP (ageism, without a doubt). In the last three years podcasts like this have helped me understand my life path.
I’m 49 and my GP has just referred me, received a Right to Choose email last week saying I’m in the system and the waiting list is approx 7 months. They’ll call me when they’re ready. I’d try to go back and see a different GP if you can, say you want a second opinion if you have to give them a reason. You shouldn’t have to though. I wish you luck 🙏💛 ps although I always had struggles, my life was turned upside down when I had my only child 16 years ago. It actually kicked off 17 years ago, as soon as I got pregnant. My kid’s dad said the old me disappeared completely as soon as I became pregnant. As well as post natal depression, I had post partum psychosis, and all without any guidance or medical care or help. My GP at the time actually told me there was nothing they could do for me so I was left untreated with a tiny baby. I almost got sectioned 4 years later after having a full breakdown (it was a 4-5 year breakdown in all honesty, but the doctors saw the last bit), I was a breath away. I’ve never been listened to, validated or understood by medical professionals, at least not until receiving this recent referral. It’s so tough isn’t it 😞🙏
@@littlewing11_ 💜💜💜 I hear you loud and clear hon .We get left with a sad contempt and disabling trauma on top of why we asked for assistance from people who actually care but have no much wisdom how to do the people thing. The only thing i can count on anymore is my fingers and good old honky tonk music (except the end of my thumb i clumsy child syndrome cut of with circular saw) Im a jeweller thank fk zt 17 I got a job that kept me safe from the world lol till 58...and the tragic road to rejection in public health with just say no fundamentaloids insanity regards highly effective life saving meds Cdnt be a better way to make it all worse imho Love to u hon
@@kristinenoffsinger5138 I’m 58 and I’ve got my adhd assessment on Saturday 😮!! 👀 I’ve got imposter syndrome and I’m currently procrastinating on writing my “Ted talk” in preparation for the psychiatrist
Wow. This hit so many nails on the head and really helped put so many of my thoughts into words. It’ll be so useful in enabling me to express myself more clearly to the ones that care about me. I saw it was 2hrs long and thought I’d probably start watching and skip to chapters that most interested me, but Denise was mesmerising and held my attention from the start and 2hrs passed in a blink. Brilliant. Thank you
Same here, thought it would take 3 days , watching it in small pieces as usual. But I listened to the whole thing in one go! 😃While of course doing other things with my hands..😂
Such an eloquent lady and such an interesting video! The post natal depression (also psychosis for me) was a real eye opener. It makes the world of difference to hear you’re not alone and you’re not wrong or a bad human, it can make the difference between life and death in all honesty 🙏 Thank you Denise and thank you Alex, this has meant more to me than you could ever know 🙏🫂❤️
OMG the Justice thing - thank you for bringing that up - what Denise (and you) said about how hard it is to turn off. Injustice not just toward ourselves but in the world. I cannot turn it off and it often overwhelms me.
What a fabulous interview, I got so much validation about the RSD/Justice Sensitivity topics especially, & the depression that hits from nowhere, teared up many times. Loved her in corrie, loved her on loose women, dont watch much tv these days so haven't seen in a while, & loved her in this. You look amazing Denise ❤ You'll help many with this discussion, no doubt, you certainly helped me. Tysm ❤
20 years ago, the therapist I saw for post partum depression recommended an ADHD diagnosis. I thought she was nutty and never returned. I think about her every day.
Totally relate to what you said Alex regarding not storing the information that you have had wins in the past .. and Denise omg so many things you said I relate to so much .. I have been a singer in bands most of my adult life and do relate to wishing the gig would be cancelled because of imposter syndrome
Thankyou for opening up Denise you describe those gut wrenching feelings of depression so well. That was a wonderful pod cast. Nice one Alex these interviews help so much it was an emotional roller coaster for me. Crying and laughing at the same time. Thanks again Denise x
Thank you both so much for the last 2 and a half hours. I can relate to everything you said so i guess at 78 yrs of age i too must have ADHD. I have so many regrets in my life to the point that after every conversation or greeting i have with anyone i analyse what i said or how i behaved and feel like a fool. Because of all that and more my confidence is zilch!
You know Alex, a lot of people think ADHD meds will reduce creativity but my experience has not been that way. I've noticed it with some other mental health meds but not so much with stimulants. As a designer I use my creative skills a lot at work and I've found being medicated has actually helped pull my brain back to a speed that is usable rather than overwhelming.
I don't have the energy to watch all this but want to say a huge thankyou for Denise's advice about meds. I'm 69, not long diagnosed and am still waiting for meds (due to shortage) and am know well prepared for it possibly not working. xx
ok...pls don't stress. I'm 63, diagnosed 3 years ago. I've had to try 2 different meds. I won't take "uppers" and my psych Rxd me a SNRI. It's mainly for depression/anxiety. You'll find there are more than one co-morbidity that accompanies ADHD. ( yahoo, huh?) and this works for me. Does it cure ALL my symptoms, no. But that's what cognitive therapy is for also imo. Now I finally know that I'm not a "weirdo" who can't handle life...I have ADHD. I'm learning that 1. It's OKAY and 2. It's possible to live with it. I'm working on it 😊 Good luck and hugs!!
I just want to add my thanks to Denise for this excellent episode. I've watched/listened all the way through over the last two days (ha ha, I have ADHD I of course hit pause a few times!) and have a great admiration for her honesty and openness, especially given the (to my mind shameful, ghastly and absurd) ease with which snippets can be picked up and misused by others nowadays to their own ends. I happen to be female and the same age as Denise, and of much the same mindset - plus also suffering bouts of severe depression along with my neurodiversity - and perhaps that is bound to colour my view favourably, but I feel she is deserving of the greatest respect. I had to grin many times at her diverting at length from Alex's questions (oh I find it so comforting when other people do that and it's not just me!), which is of course such a big ADHD thing. So many wonderful "You too!" moments, especially regarding the injustice overwhelm thing mentioned by both Denise and Alex. So so comforting, again, to hear this is a thing. Doesn't help in a way to know that of course, but boy it's comforting. Thank you. I hope Denise looks back on this with a sense of pride. I for one am grateful to her and for what it's worth I lost count of the times as I was listening when I thought, "I LIKE this lady!". Judy
Thanks to both of you, for a very candid, easy listening and hugely relatable interview. It came across as very easy for both of you. RE ADHD, mental health, trauma, whatever, I don't think I'd be here, if I'd not done recreational drugs, when some of them opened up my mind to feeling 'joy, love..' etc. I didn't really know much about Denise, but liked her very much after this, very humble and open, and of course, relate on many many levels.
absolutely agree, i was always destined for more effective medication than society allows..mystified by alcohol's appearing to make most peope jolly while i wd still feel like the same flawed alien.
As an interviewee you should realise if you’re being interesting a good interviewer will not need to ask questions and will just let your thoughts roll out. Great interview.
Oh my her share (I am 71 with ADHD) may well have saved my family -My Brother & sister -we have not talked in 10 years. my younger sister; was a heavy wine drinker -had 6 children in 9 years. Great personality … she felt normal pregnant .but she would shut down …At times. She is not drinking…now - she stopped the night they had blocked me from our father’s Memorial ….THank you so ..Thank you. ❤
When ADHD medicine works properly, it helps focus all those ideas and channel creativity in helpful ways. The right meds at the right dose will absolutely not “mute” you! And if you try one and it doesn’t feel right, you can stop and try something else. There are so many more options and delivery systems available these days than there used to be!!! (Hugs from a late diagnosed pediatrician who treated dozens of kids before connecting the dots for herself ❤)
I’m so glad to hear Denise is in our club. You can feel her deep capacity for emotion and sensitivity and it must make so much sense for her to have this puzzle piece. Sending her lots of love and support. Xx
My adhd brain tells me 24/7 to “for the love of god shut up woman” .. it’s all over my school reports .. I’m 58 and I have my adhd psychiatrist assessment on Saturday and I’m already procrastinating on the Ted talk I’m going to prepare for the assessment and I have imposter syndrome about it.
Amazing interview. Denise expresses what I feel, in the most wonderful, articulate way. I too was diagnosed with ADHD in adulthood. Medication does not work for me either.
If you have ADHD channel you inner junkie into something great. I had a great therapist who pointed out my occasional pill habit was just a love of a buzz. I used to skate big hills, and now its sea swimming. ADHDers have massive potential in anything that has a bit of adrenalin involved.
I never realized Denise was such a beautiful and eloquent speaker. I only watch short clips of loose women. I enjoyed every second of this and got so much from it. Fantastic thank you Denise ❤
I have not been officially diagnosed, but with your program and others, depression! I can’t believe the severity and links between trauma and childhood, Addiction until pregnant And being an actor, too. Plus, post natal ! 36 hrs of labor! And my baby would not breast feed with low weight at birth. If it weren’t for a great lactaid nurse got her nursing. She explains me to a T. circumstances, and ADHD. It’s comforting and still very confusing n feeling misunderstood by my closest friends.
Ive suspected for years, just got officially diagnosed at 42. Havent tried meds yet but Im open to it. The biggest thing is just knowing that its not my fault, Im not careless and lazy I have a brain thats wired a certain way and you cant just will that away.
This is so close to home, but I experience as an actor too. It’s almost hard to listen to. I’ve had to stop and cry and stop the video and cry and I still haven’t gotten through the whole thing. I had no idea how much a thing ADHD has affected my career and relationships. I always wondered why I couldn’t take a risk or have relationships longer than two years At a time.
@@Brosepha yes! I am doing natural supplements for focus, there’s quite a few great ones most health food markets. I’ve studied the brain a lot and worked with Nuro feedback as a therapist. Artistic endeavors help certainly meditation, especially first thing in the morning to set the day. We have tools!
It was listening to Denise and Nadia on Loose women that made me realise there was a good chance that I have ADHD. Was diagnosed with ADHD and ADD earlier this year.
I completely understand Denise's position regarding the meds, however for myself I no longer drink wine or alcohol because of meds. Ditto my son. Always important to balance the observations.
I don’t take meds for my ADHD either, I use supplements and exercise to manage mine. It’s nice to hear of other people with ADHD chose the no meds route . No judgment to those who do. Whatever works for you ❤️
I wonder how many people if tested for adhd would come out with a diagnosis....quite a lot I would imagine,I wonder whether there is such a thing as "neurodivergence or neurotypical" but just different people who process things differently and we all need to learn how we process things and what our senstivities or lack of maybe. I still can't help but think adhd is complex trauma or developmental trauma of some kind,I relate to alot of the things Denise talks about and have suffered with severe depressive episodes and RSD and many other sensitivities...I think you can also train and learn different ways of coping and understanding yourself. I would love you to get Gabor Mate on who has written Scattered Minds and see what he has to say and whether you disagree with him that adhd is a symptom of complex/developmental trauma...maybe a parent who was unattuned to us or stressed or emotionally unavailable or just not seen/heard every well. Alot of it does seem to do with how we see ourselves or fear of how others may see us and that is very much a thing to do with self esteem,fears of being misunderstood or seen as "bad"or wrong or not OK is some very fundamental way. I do think alot of us either walk around thinking something is wrong or different about us and others who walk around absolutely oblivious as to how they effect others or lack total self reflection. At the end of the day I think far far more people walk around feeling not ok about themselves,shame or a sense of insufficiency/inadequacy than people who have healthy self esteem and can reflect ina way that doe not make them overthink or spiral or others who are more on narcissist spectrum who totally lack ability for any self reflection or awareness and bulldose through life not caring about others...which is also quite alot it seems plus we have a culture that tends to reward that kind of behaviour too.Senstivity is something that is often seen as a weakness or problem rather than a strength.
Invisible disabilities aren’t properly understood and in Australia we are so discriminated against the NDIS has blocked funding for essential social activities on us and is ruining lives
Thats so amazing, I would have chosen the same ADHD item, i have watched every season of every city they ever made, thanks for making me feel less weird
Finally, I understand myself, washing machine i can wash the same load 5 times happy I'm not alone. What Denise mentioned how the person in America snaps at people who do not deserve it. I don't do this because I hate conflict but I've had it done to me by a boss for 8 years and I despised him because of his behaviour....now I kinda understand him. Thank you ❤
What she said about the media - absolutely! Even the ones who are reputed to have unbiased, accurate reporting publish shit (Economist on ADHD recently!) and use clickbait headlines.
Me too! I am getting so fed up of all the celebrities saying it's a superpower, not a disorder etc. Well, if that's the case then it isn't disabling them therefore they shouldn't be diagnosed as such possibly. Don't know if I make sense, lol
Can't believe I'm now a fan of Denise Welch and I'm looking to see when Loose Women is on. I like Slipknot, FFS. And the COVID stuff? You go girlfriend! 💥💥💥💥
Also I don't agree with Denise about kindness or courage and that you cannot teach yourself kindness or courage for that matter because you can and Buddhism is for example a whole practice and philosophy and way of being thats ALL about cultivating kindness and compassion and ultimately love for ourselves,our fellow beings and the world and life itself. Kindness can be learnt and taught just as we teach children and just as cruelty can be learnt,taught or encouraged either way. Also I am sure there have been and still are times that Denise is unkind,she may not register it as such because she is unaware but another person might feel it whether she intended it or not,most "unkind"people do not go around thinking I am an "unkind person"and all of us can be capable of being unkind at times when we feel threatened or insecure for isntance...so kindness can be taught and developed if the will is there. Yes some people are naturally drawn to be kind maybe because they are natural empaths or were brought up to be kind or had trauma and learnt the power of kindness or in their family etc.BUt kindness is learnt just as cruelty can be a learnt behaviour too. I think kindness is also a much misunderstood thing and we often think of kindess as people pleasing which is not the same thing or its about superficial appearances or what appears to be kind and socially acceptable even if it means not really speaking up or saying what we really mean or being assertive and in our culture,British culture directness can be viewed as "unkind". Also we tend to ignore that kindness also includes how we talk to ourselves or respond to ourselves and not just others so if we are kind to ourselves and cultivate self compassion and understanding then we are more likly to be kind to others but that does not mean letting people or ourselves get away with things. I guess kindness is a discipline and can be learnt and practiced and encouraged and lets face it in our society kindness is not exactly something that seems to be encouraged that much and is often viewed as weakness. Trye real kindness does take courage and being the "bigger person often",not reacting from our hurt defensive places and having a certain level of self awareness...so yes kindness can be taught and learned,its just that our culture does not do a very good job of it or edcuate children much on emotional intelligence or how to deal with emotions better.
I was the last person anyone thought would try to unalive. Luckily I had an afterwards, and I kept saying that I didn't want to go for good. I just wanted it to all stop for a bit...like a wild carousel.
Great interview Denise! If you have not, you should check out Ren, an independent artist who talks about his mental health in his songs. Check out Hi Ren first.
I was thinking today this world is too much. Travel, jury duty doctor appts going from here to there meeting friends- juggling moving parts that involve you how you feel , what you can do…. You just named them all… some thi mg an are impossible like trying to pin down a moving target…
I an in my 60s and have struggled for years without understanding why I have been so different. My daughter was diagnosed but my doctor is not prepared to acknowledge I may be .
ADHD is often more common in menopausal women. Perhaps Denise didn't have it in her childhood? I'm very interested in the link between ADHD and hormones (in women, at least).
And none of these things are helped by an inability to sleep properly. It adds to the anxiety and depression for sure. A lack of sleep does my head in even more.
1:37:09 I have this too, and I think I know why this is. If everyone lets it be "just about our situation" when something unfair happens, then nothing will ever change systemically. It feels plain wasteful and irresponsible to not spread the insight gained from suffering. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If I keep quiet, I become the good man who does nothing and lets evil prevail. It's all about learning from our collective mistakes in order to make the world better. I'm putting graffiti on the walls for those who come to the same station after so that they can avoid getting on the pain train
This was soooo insightful about the justice sensitivity. The example of the woman in the supermarket was so good. It’s that crushed feeling when someone thinks you have done something selfish or thoughtless when you are trying so hard and care so much but your working memory lets you down (again!) and you zone out or forget to do something. It’s devastating when people assume the worst of you when you are trying so hard. 😢
You explained this so well
Its my thinking that the justice thing is at the heart of what we call ptsd (complex more accurately with early onset in life as with adhd etc))
Lost my dad Saturday nov 9 due to him unaliving himself. He had severe ADHD. This is scarily accurate. He was an alcoholic. He did so friggn good for like 15 years and my aunt got diagnosed with cancer and we had her for acouple more years. Great episode. Wow.❤
I too was diagnosed in my late 20s in early recovery. Ive had issues in life wit drugs and alcohol. But have been on suboxone and clean from h since 2018. What a great speaker. I love her. ❤
So sorry for your loss ❤❤
I'm so sorry for your loss. All the best to you. x
So sorry for your loss. I too lost my dad to suicide 8 years ago. He likely had undiagnosed ADHD too. Take care of yourself.
@heygalicious thank you so much 💓 I am not alone in this journey. With amazing people like you & my counselor. Her and I life is so much alike and she has adhd as well and helped me get on meds for mine. Although idk if it's the best and I always have issues at pharmacy getting it filled cuz there are shortages. Mine is conserta. Anyway I appreciate you're sweet words and am sorry for you're loss as well. I've been procrastinating in signing his cremation paper but I have it open now. God bless you. Xoxoxo
@i_kissed_a_pixie1537 thank you so much. You are so sweet.
Literally 20 seconds into your "ad," I felt compelled to get up and fuss with things in the room that weren't quite right. I made myself sit here. And watch the whole "ad." Late diagnosis ADHD right here.
I skipped it 😅
Post natal depresson/ chronic depression and ADHD? Absolutely. Another puzzle piece slots into place. In my 60's now and unable to get a formal referral through the GP (ageism, without a doubt). In the last three years podcasts like this have helped me understand my life path.
All of the above! 😢
You can get a diagnosis through right to choose
Yep, same here. I'm about to move house and am determined to get the new GP to take me seriously.
I’m 49 and my GP has just referred me, received a Right to Choose email last week saying I’m in the system and the waiting list is approx 7 months. They’ll call me when they’re ready.
I’d try to go back and see a different GP if you can, say you want a second opinion if you have to give them a reason. You shouldn’t have to though. I wish you luck 🙏💛
ps although I always had struggles, my life was turned upside down when I had my only child 16 years ago. It actually kicked off 17 years ago, as soon as I got pregnant. My kid’s dad said the old me disappeared completely as soon as I became pregnant. As well as post natal depression, I had post partum psychosis, and all without any guidance or medical care or help. My GP at the time actually told me there was nothing they could do for me so I was left untreated with a tiny baby. I almost got sectioned 4 years later after having a full breakdown (it was a 4-5 year breakdown in all honesty, but the doctors saw the last bit), I was a breath away. I’ve never been listened to, validated or understood by medical professionals, at least not until receiving this recent referral. It’s so tough isn’t it 😞🙏
@@littlewing11_ 💜💜💜 I hear you loud and clear hon .We get left with a sad contempt and disabling trauma on top of why we asked for assistance from people who actually care but have no much wisdom how to do the people thing.
The only thing i can count on anymore is my fingers and good old honky tonk music (except the end of my thumb i clumsy child syndrome cut of with circular saw) Im a jeweller thank fk zt 17 I got a job that kept me safe from the world lol till 58...and the tragic road to rejection in public health with just say no fundamentaloids insanity regards highly effective life saving meds
Cdnt be a better way to make it all worse imho
Love to u hon
I think it’s wonderful she’s so open about it removes the stigma
She's brilliant, isn't she!
@ absolutely she’s a real gem
removes it until you present in hospital with a red flag on your character 🥶
A tidy person trapped in the body of a messy person!!! This!!! ❤❤❤
That constant narrative though .. Denise described my brain every day of my life
Me too! 💯 I shared this on my fb bc it describes me better than I can. ❤
@@kristinenoffsinger5138
I’m 58 and I’ve got my adhd assessment on Saturday 😮!! 👀 I’ve got imposter syndrome and I’m currently procrastinating on writing my “Ted talk” in preparation for the psychiatrist
Wow. This hit so many nails on the head and really helped put so many of my thoughts into words. It’ll be so useful in enabling me to express myself more clearly to the ones that care about me. I saw it was 2hrs long and thought I’d probably start watching and skip to chapters that most interested me, but Denise was mesmerising and held my attention from the start and 2hrs passed in a blink. Brilliant. Thank you
Same here, thought it would take 3 days , watching it in small pieces as usual. But I listened to the whole thing in one go! 😃While of course doing other things with my hands..😂
Such an eloquent lady and such an interesting video! The post natal depression (also psychosis for me) was a real eye opener. It makes the world of difference to hear you’re not alone and you’re not wrong or a bad human, it can make the difference between life and death in all honesty 🙏 Thank you Denise and thank you Alex, this has meant more to me than you could ever know 🙏🫂❤️
OMG the Justice thing - thank you for bringing that up - what Denise (and you) said about how hard it is to turn off. Injustice not just toward ourselves but in the world. I cannot turn it off and it often overwhelms me.
Me too😢
✨💜its why its called ptsd
What a fabulous interview, I got so much validation about the RSD/Justice Sensitivity topics especially, & the depression that hits from nowhere, teared up many times.
Loved her in corrie, loved her on loose women, dont watch much tv these days so haven't seen in a while, & loved her in this.
You look amazing Denise ❤
You'll help many with this discussion, no doubt, you certainly helped me. Tysm ❤
20 years ago, the therapist I saw for post partum depression recommended an ADHD diagnosis. I thought she was nutty and never returned. I think about her every day.
Totally relate to what you said Alex regarding not storing the information that you have had wins in the past .. and Denise omg so many things you said I relate to so much .. I have been a singer in bands most of my adult life and do relate to wishing the gig would be cancelled because of imposter syndrome
Exactly, very relatable. Thanks for sharing that Bex
National treasure!!! It's no surprise to thousands that Denise has ADHD.
National embarrassment more like.. Hideous woman..
Thankyou for opening up Denise you describe those gut wrenching feelings of depression so well. That was a wonderful pod cast.
Nice one Alex these interviews help so much it was an emotional roller coaster for me. Crying and laughing at the same time.
Thanks again Denise x
Thank you both so much for the last 2 and a half hours. I can relate to everything you said so i guess at 78 yrs of age i too must have ADHD. I have so many regrets in my life to the point that after every conversation or greeting i have with anyone i analyse what i said or how i behaved and feel like a fool. Because of all that and more my confidence is zilch!
You know Alex, a lot of people think ADHD meds will reduce creativity but my experience has not been that way. I've noticed it with some other mental health meds but not so much with stimulants. As a designer I use my creative skills a lot at work and I've found being medicated has actually helped pull my brain back to a speed that is usable rather than overwhelming.
I don't have the energy to watch all this but want to say a huge thankyou for Denise's advice about meds. I'm 69, not long diagnosed and am still waiting for meds (due to shortage) and am know well prepared for it possibly not working. xx
ok...pls don't stress. I'm 63, diagnosed 3 years ago. I've had to try 2 different meds. I won't take "uppers" and my psych Rxd me a SNRI. It's mainly for depression/anxiety. You'll find there are more than one co-morbidity that accompanies ADHD. ( yahoo, huh?) and this works for me. Does it cure ALL my symptoms, no. But that's what cognitive therapy is for also imo. Now I finally know that I'm not a "weirdo" who can't handle life...I have ADHD. I'm learning that 1. It's OKAY and 2. It's possible to live with it. I'm working on it 😊
Good luck and hugs!!
Caffeine in high doses can absolutely help to treat it
I think it's important, not to expect too much from the meds, they aren't going to cure you.
put it on 1.25 speed
THIS xoxoxoox
I just want to add my thanks to Denise for this excellent episode. I've watched/listened all the way through over the last two days (ha ha, I have ADHD I of course hit pause a few times!) and have a great admiration for her honesty and openness, especially given the (to my mind shameful, ghastly and absurd) ease with which snippets can be picked up and misused by others nowadays to their own ends. I happen to be female and the same age as Denise, and of much the same mindset - plus also suffering bouts of severe depression along with my neurodiversity - and perhaps that is bound to colour my view favourably, but I feel she is deserving of the greatest respect. I had to grin many times at her diverting at length from Alex's questions (oh I find it so comforting when other people do that and it's not just me!), which is of course such a big ADHD thing. So many wonderful "You too!" moments, especially regarding the injustice overwhelm thing mentioned by both Denise and Alex. So so comforting, again, to hear this is a thing. Doesn't help in a way to know that of course, but boy it's comforting. Thank you. I hope Denise looks back on this with a sense of pride. I for one am grateful to her and for what it's worth I lost count of the times as I was listening when I thought, "I LIKE this lady!". Judy
Fabulous!!!! Could have listened all day…
Thanks to both of you, for a very candid, easy listening and hugely relatable interview. It came across as very easy for both of you. RE ADHD, mental health, trauma, whatever, I don't think I'd be here, if I'd not done recreational drugs, when some of them opened up my mind to feeling 'joy, love..' etc. I didn't really know much about Denise, but liked her very much after this, very humble and open, and of course, relate on many many levels.
absolutely agree, i was always destined for more effective medication than society allows..mystified by alcohol's appearing to make most peope jolly while i wd still feel like the same flawed alien.
I related so hard to Denise - Thankyou Denise
Oh my dog!!! I’ve never heard of this woman, but everything she says makes sense!! Love from Norway!
Dog indeed..
As an interviewee you should realise if you’re being interesting a good interviewer will not need to ask questions and will just let your thoughts roll out. Great interview.
I love your videos and shorts Alex.
Thank you!
Oh my her share (I am 71 with ADHD) may well have saved my family -My
Brother & sister -we have not talked in 10 years. my younger sister; was a heavy wine drinker -had 6 children in 9 years. Great personality … she felt normal pregnant .but she would shut down …At times. She is not drinking…now - she stopped the night they had blocked me from our father’s Memorial ….THank you so ..Thank you. ❤
When ADHD medicine works properly, it helps focus all those ideas and channel creativity in helpful ways. The right meds at the right dose will absolutely not “mute” you! And if you try one and it doesn’t feel right, you can stop and try something else. There are so many more options and delivery systems available these days than there used to be!!! (Hugs from a late diagnosed pediatrician who treated dozens of kids before connecting the dots for herself ❤)
I have it especially with complex maths and spatial challenges
I’m so glad to hear Denise is in our club. You can feel her deep capacity for emotion and sensitivity and it must make so much sense for her to have this puzzle piece. Sending her lots of love and support. Xx
My adhd brain tells me 24/7 to “for the love of god shut up woman” .. it’s all over my school reports .. I’m 58 and I have my adhd psychiatrist assessment on Saturday and I’m already procrastinating on the Ted talk I’m going to prepare for the assessment and I have imposter syndrome about it.
Forgive my bluntness, have you sought a connective tissue genetic diagnosis? It's intriguing and checks many boxes.
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Denise slaying in her outfit as per usual, love you girl x
Absolutely love this. Thanks guys ❤ I've watched Denise growing up and I'm now 42. Steph from Waterloo rd is my favourite character
Neurodivergent and loneliness 😮Yup!
This is the most amazing conversation, thank you both so much. It really resonates with me ❤
Amazing interview. Denise expresses what I feel, in the most wonderful, articulate way. I too was diagnosed with ADHD in adulthood. Medication does not work for me either.
Wow.
Thanks, Denise.
So lucid, so articulate, so real.
Loved your book years ago, too.
Her 'Truth' is the best performance I've ever seen her in, completely relatable eloquent and precise. I had to save this vid.
If you have ADHD channel you inner junkie into something great. I had a great therapist who pointed out my occasional pill habit was just a love of a buzz. I used to skate big hills, and now its sea swimming. ADHDers have massive potential in anything that has a bit of adrenalin involved.
I never realized Denise was such a beautiful and eloquent speaker. I only watch short clips of loose women. I enjoyed every second of this and got so much from it. Fantastic thank you Denise ❤
I have not been officially diagnosed, but with your program and others, depression! I can’t believe the severity and links between trauma and childhood, Addiction until pregnant And being an actor, too. Plus, post natal ! 36 hrs of labor! And my baby would not breast feed with low weight at birth. If it weren’t for a great lactaid nurse got her nursing. She explains me to a T. circumstances, and ADHD. It’s comforting and still very confusing n feeling misunderstood by my closest friends.
Ive suspected for years, just got officially diagnosed at 42. Havent tried meds yet but Im open to it. The biggest thing is just knowing that its not my fault, Im not careless and lazy I have a brain thats wired a certain way and you cant just will that away.
This is so close to home, but I experience as an actor too. It’s almost hard to listen to. I’ve had to stop and cry and stop the video and cry and I still haven’t gotten through the whole thing. I had no idea how much a thing ADHD has affected my career and relationships. I always wondered why I couldn’t take a risk or have relationships longer than two years At a time.
@@Brosepha yes! I am doing natural supplements for focus, there’s quite a few great ones most health food markets. I’ve studied the brain a lot and worked with Nuro feedback as a therapist. Artistic endeavors help certainly meditation, especially first thing in the morning to set the day. We have tools!
I sat still through the ad, but heard maybe 1/4 of it.
Same.
Thank you. I want to scream at people when they blow off my pain. Just be kind to each other. Letting go of things is hard.
Denise is a diamond
She lays down made me cry when I heard it a few years ago
It was listening to Denise and Nadia on Loose women that made me realise there was a good chance that I have ADHD. Was diagnosed with ADHD and ADD earlier this year.
Either or surely
I completely understand Denise's position regarding the meds, however for myself I no longer drink wine or alcohol because of meds. Ditto my son. Always important to balance the observations.
I try to avoid conflict unless pushed to out of necessity for my needs to be met
I don’t take meds for my ADHD either, I use supplements and exercise to manage mine. It’s nice to hear of other people with ADHD chose the no meds route . No judgment to those who do. Whatever works for you ❤️
I wonder how many people if tested for adhd would come out with a diagnosis....quite a lot I would imagine,I wonder whether there is such a thing as "neurodivergence or neurotypical" but just different people who process things differently and we all need to learn how we process things and what our senstivities or lack of maybe.
I still can't help but think adhd is complex trauma or developmental trauma of some kind,I relate to alot of the things Denise talks about and have suffered with severe depressive episodes and RSD and many other sensitivities...I think you can also train and learn different ways of coping and understanding yourself.
I would love you to get Gabor Mate on who has written Scattered Minds and see what he has to say and whether you disagree with him that adhd is a symptom of complex/developmental trauma...maybe a parent who was unattuned to us or stressed or emotionally unavailable or just not seen/heard every well.
Alot of it does seem to do with how we see ourselves or fear of how others may see us and that is very much a thing to do with self esteem,fears of being misunderstood or seen as "bad"or wrong or not OK is some very fundamental way.
I do think alot of us either walk around thinking something is wrong or different about us and others who walk around absolutely oblivious as to how they effect others or lack total self reflection.
At the end of the day I think far far more people walk around feeling not ok about themselves,shame or a sense of insufficiency/inadequacy than people who have healthy self esteem and can reflect ina way that doe not make them overthink or spiral or others who are more on narcissist spectrum who totally lack ability for any self reflection or awareness and bulldose through life not caring about others...which is also quite alot it seems plus we have a culture that tends to reward that kind of behaviour too.Senstivity is something that is often seen as a weakness or problem rather than a strength.
Enjoyed it as always. I want to hear her talk more and more and more
This is very interesting , very honest and very sensitive. Being human is hard ❤
ND people find it hard to say no especially when we are ignored or punished for setting boundaries we tend to want to people please
Yes it's called fawning
Invisible disabilities aren’t properly understood and in Australia we are so discriminated against the NDIS has blocked funding for essential social activities on us and is ruining lives
It's the same in the US.
It's like to be born without a leg, and nobody-including yourself-knows that it's missing
" Invisible disabilities" so true.
@@markmuller7962 I use the exact same analogy
Omg the Cotswolds story is so me....😂😂😂 thank you ❤
This is making so much sense to me now thank you ❤
Thats so amazing, I would have chosen the same ADHD item, i have watched every season of every city they ever made, thanks for making me feel less weird
ADHD plays a part in all… no? Living in this world with an executive functional disability is almost like ongoing Alzheimer’s. It’s torture
Yes!
She’s in the creative field that I’ve always wanted to be in and never been allowed to be
What about amateur dramatics?
"never allowed".
who is stopping you?
i became creative as an adult. like most i wasnt allowed to be creative or pursue that in my younger years
The extra energy!!!! YES. I’m exhausted because the outside world eats away at me at every turn.
Post natal depression was never understood 40 odd years ago or before it’s only now they’re coming to terms with it
Great interview.
I had always been quite hyperactive as a young girl. I would hang upside down and literally bounced off walls.
Brilliant episode!!!!!
She’s so right
Finally, I understand myself, washing machine i can wash the same load 5 times happy I'm not alone. What Denise mentioned how the person in America snaps at people who do not deserve it. I don't do this because I hate conflict but I've had it done to me by a boss for 8 years and I despised him because of his behaviour....now I kinda understand him. Thank you ❤
Fantastic interview thank you
I knew I was completely different and knew I was at age 3
What she said about the media - absolutely! Even the ones who are reputed to have unbiased, accurate reporting publish shit (Economist on ADHD recently!) and use clickbait headlines.
Interesting interview!!!
Great discussion x Love Denise 💗
I did a degree in drama and had to give up acting due to not being able to remember the scripts
We find it hard to relax
Having listened to quite a few of these interviews. The conclusion I have come to...... I have all of the negatives and none of the benefits of ADHD.
...there are.. benefits? 😢
maybe we havent found them yet.
Me too! I am getting so fed up of all the celebrities saying it's a superpower, not a disorder etc. Well, if that's the case then it isn't disabling them therefore they shouldn't be diagnosed as such possibly. Don't know if I make sense, lol
Actually, I may not agree with myself. I think my dad has this but carved his life in a way to suit him. He ha
Thank you ,so much I have learnt a lot x
Can't believe I'm now a fan of Denise Welch and I'm looking to see when Loose Women is on. I like Slipknot, FFS. And the COVID stuff? You go girlfriend! 💥💥💥💥
I’ve been on antidepressants for over 20 years
Also I don't agree with Denise about kindness or courage and that you cannot teach yourself kindness or courage for that matter because you can and Buddhism is for example a whole practice and philosophy and way of being thats ALL about cultivating kindness and compassion and ultimately love for ourselves,our fellow beings and the world and life itself.
Kindness can be learnt and taught just as we teach children and just as cruelty can be learnt,taught or encouraged either way.
Also I am sure there have been and still are times that Denise is unkind,she may not register it as such because she is unaware but another person might feel it whether she intended it or not,most "unkind"people do not go around thinking I am an "unkind person"and all of us can be capable of being unkind at times when we feel threatened or insecure for isntance...so kindness can be taught and developed if the will is there.
Yes some people are naturally drawn to be kind maybe because they are natural empaths or were brought up to be kind or had trauma and learnt the power of kindness or in their family etc.BUt kindness is learnt just as cruelty can be a learnt behaviour too.
I think kindness is also a much misunderstood thing and we often think of kindess as people pleasing which is not the same thing or its about superficial appearances or what appears to be kind and socially acceptable even if it means not really speaking up or saying what we really mean or being assertive and in our culture,British culture directness can be viewed as "unkind".
Also we tend to ignore that kindness also includes how we talk to ourselves or respond to ourselves and not just others so if we are kind to ourselves and cultivate self compassion and understanding then we are more likly to be kind to others but that does not mean letting people or ourselves get away with things.
I guess kindness is a discipline and can be learnt and practiced and encouraged and lets face it in our society kindness is not exactly something that seems to be encouraged that much and is often viewed as weakness.
Trye real kindness does take courage and being the "bigger person often",not reacting from our hurt defensive places and having a certain level of self awareness...so yes kindness can be taught and learned,its just that our culture does not do a very good job of it or edcuate children much on emotional intelligence or how to deal with emotions better.
So common for many ND people
Healthy debate is important
Depression is a side effect of being ND
We do have a low boredom threshold
Very wise words from a wise lovely amazing lady ❤😊
It's too painful. No wonder pepole unelive themselves.
Please get help! The world needs you.
I was the last person anyone thought would try to unalive. Luckily I had an afterwards, and I kept saying that I didn't want to go for good. I just wanted it to all stop for a bit...like a wild carousel.
Great interview Denise! If you have not, you should check out Ren, an independent artist who talks about his mental health in his songs. Check out Hi Ren first.
Brilliant.... thankyou
Thank You!
I was thinking today this world is too much. Travel, jury duty doctor appts going from here to there meeting friends- juggling moving parts that involve you how you feel , what you can do…. You just named them all… some thi mg an are impossible like trying to pin down a moving target…
Thank you 🙏
run around in circles,run around in darkness,while naked,,you'll feel better.
I an in my 60s and have struggled for years without understanding why I have been so different. My daughter was diagnosed but my doctor is not prepared to acknowledge I may be .
Human experience is not to be foresaken nor neglected in amplification from that which is thought qnd articulated withou another existence.
Because we want to help
That tiimo ad was long. Lol
Keep in mind, if you’re using an iOS based system, you’re paying 30% more. Apple charges app producers 30% extra to be on their system.
ADHD is often more common in menopausal women. Perhaps Denise didn't have it in her childhood? I'm very interested in the link between ADHD and hormones (in women, at least).
And none of these things are helped by an inability to sleep properly. It adds to the anxiety and depression for sure. A lack of sleep does my head in even more.
Set alarms to remind you about laundry
I totally get it
1:37:09 I have this too, and I think I know why this is.
If everyone lets it be "just about our situation" when something unfair happens, then nothing will ever change systemically. It feels plain wasteful and irresponsible to not spread the insight gained from suffering. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If I keep quiet, I become the good man who does nothing and lets evil prevail. It's all about learning from our collective mistakes in order to make the world better. I'm putting graffiti on the walls for those who come to the same station after so that they can avoid getting on the pain train
So true