ST owner here. The ST is one of those cars that i think needs some work to have that coolness factor that the RS has straight from the factory, but the ST is super fun to drive right out of the gate and even as i've considered maybe switching to a new car, i can't quite justify getting rid of a perfectly good vehicle that i also really enjoy driving. Don't feel bad if you can't afford the RS, the ST feels really good to drive and is especially great as a daily
The ST starts off "softer" than an RS. That allows you to push it towards the RS level to get it to where you want it. The RS is pretty hardcore right from the factory. If it's too hard moving it down a notch or two is more of challenge.
I agree. That said it has more to do with the E-diff behaving much more effectively if you slowly lay into the throttle. Usually good throttle control means effectively managing traction, but with the ST it's about letting the E-diff manage torque steer
I’ve had both. Went back to st and sold the rs. St feels quicker around town without breaking the law. Always was driving beyond my capabilities in the rs. Looks and sound aside, the st is a more practical daily especially the st 1 seats.
Did you ever track either? As of now im leaning to stick with the ST, i have an RS on deck with 32k mi for a good deal, butttttt. I will say my ST is 120k.. and rippinggggg
If you live somewhere that snows! The AWD / drift mode in the snow is just unmatched!!! It’s just so much FUN. I live in Michigan and daily mine. There are times I really feel bad owning the RS in the metro Detroit because the salt and horrible road conditions (the damper is not the best). But I lived down Florida. The car is butter smooth.
Never driven RS but have owned my ST for about 6 years now, bought it used with about 2300 miles on it. Came with Roush exhaust and a turbosmart BOV. I added the Mountune MP 275 kit to it at around 8k miles. Did the shifter bushings and the Ford Performance short shifter (Which I think is discontinued). Its been a great car, approaching 96k and haven't had any major repairs. All in all, for about 3 years I could not get enough of this car. Then I started putting a lot of highway miles on it due to a long distance relationship and it turned into "just a car". I neglected the paint and the washing it due to driving about 3 hours hours away each weekend. But, I still did the plug and oil changes... usual maintenance. Recently dropped about 3k in "bigger" maintenance. New pads and rotors, AC service, trans flush, walnut blasting, radiator flush, alignment and what appeared to be an oil pan leak, turns out it was the PCV oil separator. I feel like the ball joints in the front are about to need replacing, debating on doing new springs, struts and bushings at the same time. No major rattles, squeaks or clunks. Although I will say that the roads, freeways and highways here in Arizona (for the most part) are pretty nice to drive on. Once all the major maintenance was done I started doing more aesthetic upgrades (headlights, taillights etc... wheels are next). Got the paint back into good shape and washing it once every two weeks minimum, if not every week. I have fallen in love with it all over again.
The RS was my dream car when they first were announced so I went from an ST to a RS back in early 2018 and got a steal on the car so I was happy with it but in todays market I would for sure go with the ST especially if you want to make big power without feeling stressed if the RS will handle it or not. But the RS is for sure a thrill to drive even in stock form.
RS owner here -- I suppose it also comes down to where you came from. I went from RSX Type-S to MazdaSpeed 3 to Focus RS, so I really wanted to experience the AWD... and like Cameron said, the cultural aspect of owning a (relatively) rare car that made a big impact was part of the appeal as well. I've modded mine similarly to what Cameron has did with his (I didn't do a suspension or exhaust upgrade) and I still look forward to each and every drive. But yeah, if anyone's got any questions about long-term day-to-day RS ownership, let me know!
@@hotrodmercury3941 welp, you’re asking the wrong guy - I live in Los Angeles. :) BUT! I’ve taken it to the mountains a few times and it does pretty well in light snow even with my summer tires.
Dude I am thinking about ST or RS. What is about maintenance? And is there maybe some issues or problem with RS in long term? I am in netherlands so we got different taxes and stuff.
Another ST owner. The RS and the ST basically look the same to me. I bought the OEM rear RS spoiler (expensive!) had it filled in and painted to match the Kona Blue color of my ST. I later added jack rails, front-side-rear skirt, hood struts and tinted the windows. It's not an RS but it's close enough to the look of an RS that my RS itch is satisfied!
I test drove an RS in 2017 right before test driving and then buying an ST. The ST was a much more comfortable car to drive and was plenty quick. I did end up selling it and upgrading to a Mustang GT. V8 world is pretty great
I just test drove an RS… my ST is stage 2, and mostly stripped for track.. was not an eventful test drive speed wise… couldn’t really corner the car, would love to take an RS on track before i make a desision… glad to watch this.
I got my RS about a year ago and love it. It has an awe track exhaust which is super nice. Other than that, its stock. I guess my only complaint is that it drives very stiff. I daily mine and don't mind it, but sometimes my passengers complain depending on what kind of road you're on. With that being said, the car is a true pleasure to drive. I think you always could push an ST a little bit more than you can with an RS, but the RS is always going to be faster. if that makes sense. I've only driven an ST a few times and it was also pretty much stock. My verdict: If you want a fun car to upgrade, daily it, and be reliable, the ST is perfect. If you're willing to pay a bit more and not go too crazy on mods, I would go with an RS. The RS is tough as nails. Mine has 112k miles and still feels incredible. Hope that helps!
My ST with 250 hp could barely get its power down properly in first and second. Can't imagine another 170hp being useful for anything other highway pulls (boring and not the point of a Focus ST - i.e. go buy a Mustang).
I feel I’m an outlier of owning this car, I’m 32, I’m the old man of the group, I have had my ST for seven years now and while I have always wanted an RS, the ST is an amazing car. It is everything you'd possible want out of a hot hatch at this price point now. Heated seats, heated steering wheel, you have a boost, oil temp and pressure gauges right there. The analog gauges are here, while everything is digital now. You don't have the infotainment just sitting on top of the dash. I think it is under appreciated. While the RS is the bigger brother and comes with a valved exhaust and headlights that move with the steering inputs (ST3 package also has that). I feel you cannot go wrong with either or, if you’re new to the platform and can afford the RS, go for it!! But to upgrade to the RS from an ST, I feel you would rob yourself from experiencing a different platform. Also I agree with the seats even in the ST. If you’re taking a road trip over 2.5 hours. The seats become uncomfortable… maybe it’s old age.. anyway bottom line, both cars are great and truly comes down to price, wants and goals
I’m 21 and bought mine at 19, I can agree with the leather recaro’s it gets uncomfortable after some time. Great seats for daily use, road trips it’s a little brutal lmao
Dude, I'm hitting 40 this year. You're not old, stop complaining :) I own 2017 mk3 ST3 Turnier with 2.0 TDCi engine (Europe). Yes, it does not sound as good as petrol version of ST or RS but still.... it's a hell of fun car to drive - quick enough, family friendly, very economical if not pushed to it's limits. I think it's much better choice as a daily-family car.
I agree the exterior of the RS does look pretty sick but the 15-18 ST's also look sweet. I went with an ST for the price and availability an RS was twice as much and much harder to get ahold of. So, an ST at a decent price ( mind you i bought mine 3 yrs ago) and putting a couple grand in it makes it a great daily and or a light track duty car, and for me personally i dont like the blue stitching and accents on the interior of the RS the ST is cleaner in my opinion. All things considered the ST was just what i wanted, I love it.
Fwd = higher mpg. I have a hell of a commute to and from work everyday so higher mpg is king for me. Used to own a Subaru impreza before my ST and the subie was a gas hog compared to the ST. Absolutely love the focus and highly recommended it to anyone thinking about getting one
I have a 2018 facelift focus st. I like the more aggressive look it has to the (outdated) look of the prefacelift. The mods I've done has enhanced the aggressive look but not over powering. Because of your st video is the reason I bought my car. It's my first 4 banger and hatchback. It is a awesome drive and the ST I think in my opinion can do just as well as the rs minus the awd. I do alot of car meets here in vegas and I get more compliments on my st then the rs's out here. Both cars are great but my heart belongs with the st
ST owner with experience in both. I have always felt like a full bolt-on E30 ST was 70-80% of an RS. That's not to say that the RS isn't fucking sweet, because an ST is fucking sweet and the RS is better, even if the cost difference isn't justified by that difference. Personally, for example, I think that my ST3 interior is better than an RS because I have full leather. This likely comes down to me having young kids and cleaning that Alcantara would be a nightmare. Sure I may not be as fast, but it's pretty close where it counts. What make me sad is I likely will not ever own an RS... I just can't see myself getting out of my ST and buying an RS. I will want to experience something completely different.
ST Owner here: I lucked out and bought my 2016 ST3 with an RS bumper already installed, so I got the best of both worlds.I personally think the ST is a bit more rowdy and nimble than the RS. Something about FWD just always keeping you on your toes
You chosen the best of both world having a FWD?Let me laugh for a while.Aside Type-R and French pocket rockets i would never consider an FWD car be motorsport car.
I have ‘17 RS. Got it for 32k 4 years ago and it is still worth $32k. The RS is an investment. Every person that buys an ST wishes they bought an RS. No CAP
I miss my 2004 svt focus!! Back in 2006, it was a quick little car. I got out of the tuner cars and into the sun's because of the kids, but im considering getting back into it. An RS looks so good, but the price...
To keep the power of the RS at maximum. 1) Use Motul 5w-50 and Always keep an eye on the dipstick. Keep your oil at max all the time. 2) Use Liqui Moly Gasoline System Cleaner. I have used so many different injector cleaners on my RS and the only one that gives you satisfying results is Liqui Moly. Liqui Moly is expensive but it friggin works great. 3) Keep an eye on your plugs. I got mine pre-gapped from mountuneusa. These 3 basic things will keep your power the same from the day it was new at the dealer.
I've never wanted an RS as much as I want an ST. I actually plan on getting an ST as my next car. The RS is obviously more expensive and I can't afford it, but I feel the ST is more than enough fun and car for the money.
All of us ST owners really want the RS but most can’t afford that price for essentially the same car just with all wheel drive. I love my ST and honestly the 2.0 is a more robust engine. If you leave the RS alone it’s great.
Had a 2015 ST before I got stationed in Japan, and had to sell it, it was the saddest moment I have had to go through (apart from a relative's death) Now I'm going back and have a 2017 ST to head back home to, such a fun car to drive daily and the amount of stuff that can be upgraded is definitely worth saving those $15-20K of getting an RS.
Honestly it's just like the si vs the Type R, si and the st have a huge fan base behind them but the rs and type r will continue to be the bigger brother, if you have the money for the RS you won't regret it.💙
Former base model ST owner here. The ST is a fun car, but it's so lower rung when compared to the other cars in the segment. I couldn't get over how terrible the interior was. My ST was bought used, but low milage. I LOVED the seats, but the dash/console was just a janky mess. Huge gaps in the interior parts and hard plastics all over. That's one reason why I ditched mine. I couldn't imagine paying Focus RS prices and getting basically the same interior. There are other cars in this segment that put the RS to shame when it comes to build quality/materials.
I feel like if you want a lightly modded, couple bolt on daily, the RS. If you want to build a fun car with lots of mods and tuning options. ST. The RS just has too many issues. Too much to break, and more expensive to mod and tune. 🤷♂️
I have both. The rs daily and the st is built. Has every bolt on and fun to beat on . The rs has a few tasteful mods. I commute 150 miles a day for work. Comfortable to drive and fun.
I’m bias, but if you’re looking for fun behind the wheel. Get a 2016-2019 fiesta st with the recaro package. Do a hybrid turbo or s280 upgrade for around 5-7k (that’s with supporting mods too.) on 93 octane you make about 275-290 whp. On e30 it’s 290-325 depending on the turbo installed. Crazy fun for the money.
I have a 15 fiesta st and full bolt ons stock turbo with a tune and I’m pushing 240 definitely could definitely gain extra 50-75 with s280 turbo but best daily/track car I’ve owned
St2 magnetic metallic owner here with snowflake wheels... If they sold magnetic metallic RS here in the states i would buy one immediately. I know a couple came here accidentally but they are crazy money. ST is the perfect daily and I haven't been able to justify upgrading it to an RS. At 5'10' , 160lbs the recaros are perfect for me. 2018 year model has carplay which is a HUGE bonus imo. Live in Minnesota and it is perfectly driveable in the winter as long as the bumper clears the snow--if there is 1ft of snow then just wait lol... Now that I have a truck again the only car I would consider selling it for would be a gt350r.. I cant think of any cars less than 70k I would rather have than my ST... it'll be tough to let it go. Not to mention it's only cost me roughly 12cents/mile to own and I bought it brand new.
i own a focus st, never driven rs so take this with a grain of salt. i’m had my car for about a year now and it’s amazing. sure all wheel drive is better, then rs aethetics are better, etc. but the driving experience in the st is still amazing. you get a lot of slip in first and second gear but it’s not worth spending the extra money for the rs is that regard because it improves your throttle control since you HAVE to improve your throttle control. also the focus st is easily moddable to make a lot more power. you can get tunes with launch control to help the slip a little bit, etc. again i have not driven an rs and of course it’s obviously better i highly doubt it’s worth the price. the st is an amazing car, i love it so much and the only things that i would change is the loss of traction in first and second (only on wide open throttle) and i would prefer all wheel drive but again you can get launch control and the all wheel drive isn’t worth the extra money imo edit: oh and i forgot the seats. i have the an st2 so i have the upgraded recaro seats and i love them. when i have larger seat sit in the car, they don’t say they’re uncomfortable, they just say that they’re “tight” so they are definitely more bearable than the rs seats. jus then again i’m 5’10 135 lbs so i’m a pretty skinny dude. so if you’re like me, you will love the st seats but if you’re a little larger, you may not love them but you like them more. and you could also just go for the st1 with the normal seats because they are way more forgiving with the bolstering.
ST all day, stronger block and less bs to maintain and just simpler mechanically wise…imho. RS does look badass thou, almost went RS. Saw a shadow black base RS in dealer showroom for $33k, after taxes and all that bs my ST came out to 31k and the sticker price on my ST was $27,000 for ST2 package and insurance wasn’t that much more than my ST. I loooove the recaros, most comfortable seats I’ve ever sat in.
Here in Canada it was pretty much a given to get an AWD vehicle instead of a FWD. I didn't mind forking out the extra cash to have everything I wanted in a vehicle straight from factory (Brembo's, recaros, valved exhaust that pops, nice oem rims, launch control, tight suspension etc.)
Hey, 2014 Fiesta ST owner here. (AND DIY'er- ALL mods I have done myself) I absolutely LOVE my ST! I have several mods(Accessport+Dizzy tune, intake, de-cat downpipe, 3in exhaust, upgraded FMIC, Rear Mount, etc.) I also have 16x8 wheels with super sticky Federal 595 RS-R tires. All that said, I kinda agree? with Cameron. My Fiesta ST is the most fun car that I have ever owned. I am 50 years old, and I have had several mk1 and mk2 VW GTI's, a mk2 Jetta GLi 16v (that was pretty cool), a mk 3 VR6 GTi, and numerous other vehicles. I can't imagine another car that is so fun for so low a price. Is the RS really worth the premium price for a daily driver? Oh, by the way, I am a fifty year old male. My car history is mostly VW's. I have always loved hatchbacks, thus I have had MANY GTi's
I bought my first ST in August of 2016, a 2013 ST3 with 38k miles and very clean. I did an intercooler, intake, downpipe, and cobb ap with stratified tunes. I loved the car but quickly wanted a face-lift ST and in March of 2018 I bought a 2017 kona blue ST3 with 1700 miles on it. I transfered the parts I already had from the 13 and then went way farther with bolt ons with the new car. I loved this car and it was my daily and it was a blast to drive everyday but the want for a RS never went away. April of 2023 I bought a 2016 nitrous blue rs with 36k miles and the only mod is a borla attack cat back. I won't say I don't miss the 17 st .because I do but I will say stock car for stock car the RS is hands down the better car. No its not as quick on light acceleration as the ST was with every bolt on and tuned but above 4k rpm the RS is a whole different animal..STOCK.. The ST was game over at 5200 rpm. I know you didn't like the stiff ride of the RS but it doesn't bother me and I guess I'm used to the recaros after owning 3 focuses with them. My thoughts on the comparison is if you you don't or can't spend the money on an RS that's fine because the ST is perfectly fine and will do what you asked of it but for the full experience you have to mod the car. I feel the rs is just built better, it feels more solid than the ST.
I’m gonna be completely honest, I have spent reasonable amount of time in both the ST and the RS. Nothing about the ST made me fall in love with the car, that’s not to say that it is a boring car, or that it is unpleasant to drive. It is still a fun car, but it does not hold a candle in any regards to the RS in my opinion. The seats in the RS has never been uncomfortable either in my opinion. For context on my experience as a driver, I have countless hours in driving sims and nearly a hundred hours of real track time spanning a couple vehicles. I know how to be fast in a FWD car. I would still take the RS all day every day for a daily driver over the ST.
Hey Folks! I'm the proud owner of both. I stumbled on the ST years ago when I was looking around for a GTI. Always was a Golf fan, but my friend said you should really give the Focus ST a try. Low and behold, I blindly bought one, and I absolutely loved it! It was the car in which I learned to drive stick, yes I bought it without knowing and just had my friend drive it back 😅. It is a '17 Focus RS ST3. Then, as time went by, I obviously got more and more intrigued with the Focus RS, I tend to get bored quickly, I wasn't bored though, just enticed by the perspective of own a RS, it's looks, and that engine! So when Cameron got it, yes the same one speaking here, I just loved how exciting and fun it all sounded. Needless to say, did research, looked around, drove one that was bit beat up, instantly fell in love on who much more poised the car was. I didn't buy the beat up one, I bought one I found with only 8K on the ODO for a very cheap price. Which is what convinced me to get it. It all worked out for me because I handed off the ST to my cousin that instantly fell in love with it as much as I did when we drove down a few states away to pick up the RS. So it's still in my life.. Do I regret it? No because I get to make someone else extremely happy. My recommendation? Buy the ST first and see if you even value these cars for what they are. The only reason I am in an RS is because I absolutely loved my ST. You accept it for it's defects because at the end of the day, it's the car that most suits you. That's it. (The chairs I've always found very comfortable though so, can't relate on that.)
Mad that in the states and other countries you’re allowed to just buy a manual transmission car without doing seperate driving test. Over here the only folk who do the automatic driving test are people who struggle to learn to drive and fail the full licence several times. Pretty much everyone drives manual to start with. You can drive an auto on a full licence but you can’t drive manual on an auto only licence.
Had both and while I loved my 14 ST, the RS is head and shoulders above it in all aspects. The way it goes around corners is incredible but so is the ST - however it is the way that the RS goes out of corners is enough to make you laugh out loud. Acres of power, amazing from a dig
ST owner here… yes the RS is what i wish i could afford, but ONLY because of the higher HP… i bought my 2017 ST3 for about $20k in 2022 (yeah i know I overpaid but that was inflation back in ATL) and the 2017 RS at that time were averaging around $36k…. Huge difference in price… and the ST still looks cool AF… love how it handles, love the interior, its just a great compact nifty car… drove it to Dallas TX when moved back in 2023 and have drove it to ATL from Dallas back and forth 22 hour drive combined with no issues… im 6”1 290lbs… so a big guy… with no issues … im actually driving back in September again…. My girlfriend loves it…. i do not regret it whatsoever! 😁
I've come from a speed 3 to a RS and i love the RS it's become my dream car. It's also very rare to see and I love seeing others when I do. The RS is definitely my favorite car 😁
Just drove a ST right now I think they are the most fun car for the money it will definitely but a smile on your face and the torque steer is crazy. The RS with drift mode is fun as well but for the price ST all day
RS owner here, never drove an ST. Living in Canada where we get major snow storms and 5 months of Winter the RS is absolutely amazing. It's the closest one can get to a rally car for the road. The seats are definitely uncomfortable but livable as I've done 13 hour trips in it and I'm prone to a sore back. Seats are supportive but definitely not cushy, lol same with the ride. Those are about my only complaints besides the somewhat basic interior. I'm actually thinking of selling it for a Kia Stinger as I don't have all that many corners where I live and a comfy, options loaded GT car would work better for me at this time in my life.... but that said the RS is so special and with a Mountune V2X cat back exhaust it sounds absolutely amazing. The handling is fantastic in all weather, especially with winter tires and drift mode! Also looking at a BMW M340i but not sure I want to spend that much just for the straight line speed and slightly bigger back seat with the extra increase in maintenance costs... lol so many choices.
RS Owner here. I come from 6 years behind the wheel of a Jeep wrangler… this car is a fucking rocket 😅. I’m in Colorado and I knew I wanted a 4 wheel drive high performance car. Ive gotten deep into rally racing (as a fan). I almost bought the golf r and admittedly I sometimes wish I did because the sound system and quality of life in the RS just isn’t that great (unless you’re Hooning around). I just had a blast test driving the RS and the golf R didn’t deliver that rush when going full throttle in the corners. I think I would’ve had just as much fun in the ST, but I knew the manual Gold R wasn’t even coming close to the driving experience as the RS. I love 4 wheel dr platforms for there snow capability. If I was im Arizona, I probably would’ve still gotten the RS because I’d visit some friends of mine in flagstaff. Both are incredible cars. But for me, I was trying to decide between the RS, Golf R, Evo X GSR, or the new Supra in manual. But if I was going to pay 60k or more, I’d get a used Porsche 718 Cayman S or GTS.
I had a powerful STI, But I had front wheel drive powerful cars I think the Front Wheel Drive is the way to go now. I’m in my 30s I also had more fun in front wheel drive cars then 4 wheel drive. But if you understand how these cars handle will too. Every time .
Want the all-wheel-drive RS for the Colorado weather along with the heated steering wheel. I would definitely take the seats out for a more comfortable seat. I have a 2007 Shelby GT 500 and I just want something that’s more suited for Colorado weather. Except for there is nothing suited for the Colorado roads except for a Baja truck.
To me I feel like it’s the same arguments that happen between the civic SI vs the civic type R. Both are amazing cars and there isn’t a wrong answer. I personally want a focus rs or St. I’m evdd even in the market for a fiesta ST. 😂
I'm an RS owner. 2017 Stealth Grey, with a bunch of bolt-ons and a tune. I drove an ST for awhile and I have to say there is NO Doubt the RS is better in every way. No regrets buying the RS. It handles better, better styling and way more power and more power to be made if you do it the right way. There are a few ST's in my neighborhood that for some reason thought they could hang with my RS on the street but they found out the hard way 😄
I have both right now, have had the st3 for a while and now only recently the RS. My ST has the 275 mountune package, in 3rd gear it's a bit quicker than my stock RS. It's an odd one, but with all that extra weight of the RS 4wd I suppose it makes sense. Overall agree with what you say from a drivers car perspective the RS is better and faster on road, and definitely has the better traction up to 50pmh, My one caveat is that I still think the ST is just as good from an all round perspective, as in a bit more comfortable, and definitely a lot less thirsty on fuel, doesn't attract thieves. This said. RS holds its value incredibly well, so overall both great options.
Manual SEs are just as good of an option. yes horsepower is a concern but I've been able to learn how to drive very well with the car. And it doesn't have the turbo related issues
ST is way better (bit biased since i own one) But you wanna make power on an RS, you take an ST 2.0 block and stroke it to a 2.3. The 2.3 is good for the stock 350hp it comes with. Also not to mention, yea the RS is all wheel drive but is primarily fwd and if you track the RS, the rear diff will overheat and the ECU will freak out and you'll essentially be driving an overpriced ST haha. RS is good stock but nothing more. FBO ST with a hybrid turbo, not even a big turbo just bigger compressor in stock housing and some E and you'll be smoking RS's and having more fun doing it lol
Been dailying my ST for 5 years now, have taken it across the continental US and into Canada. About 110k miles now. Ford did right with this car, gonna drive it into the ground. One of the best dailies anyone can ask for.
Cant have this conversation and not mention whether or not you need AWD. The ST is great, and great value for money, I loved mine. But if you live somewhere with snow or cold winters that require less grippy tires, the two shouldn't be compared. My ST was stock and even then I couldn't put the power down all winter long. When I bought it I wondered if my access to its performance would be limited during the months I had to use winter tires - it was, so I sold it. No sense in owning a "fast" car that isn't that fast half the time.
Funny this posted today as i have been sitting here for the last week trying to decide on the two. Break the bank and get the RS or spend 10-15k less and get the ST and add mods, sound and looks goes to the RS i also really like AWD buttt am i going to want to drive it in the winter even if i had it idk! hard choice but will prolly go with the ST because of price. Wont pretend like 35 40k is a cheap spend for me.
I have owned both cars and I think RS is just better car in every way. But ST is still very good car and cheaper. On the other hand RS keeps value much better at least here where I live. And we have snow here 4-5 months so ST is useless on that period. RS is almost more fun car on snow than dry tarmac 😅 And the drift mode is so fun on snow 😏
Hold up what the h3ll is left foot racing? I’ve never heard of it. I drive a 2007 nc Miata with a 2.5 that I swapped into it for more fun. Always loved the focuses tho!
Went from a Focus ST, to a Focus RS, the only thing I liked more with the RS was the ability to kick the rear end out and launching at 5k rpm. Granted im a General Contractor and I can very well afford the RS, but the ST was definitely overall the better choice. This upcoming January im planing to switch to the 2024 Ford Maverick Tremor, st motor and RS diff💪🏾
I only have AWD cars so I wouldn't even consider the ST. If the RS wasn't AWD I wouldn't waste my time considering one, the STi would have been the obvious choice (2014 Hatch) but I am very happy with my 2017 Mountune B7 Focus RS after having owned it for a little over 3 years now.
I had an st but it got in a wreck. But i love the rs for the looks and the all wheel drive and a good bit more power but the looks is so much better but im having a hard time seeing spending 20k more
My question is, is the ST okay during winter? I live in a cold climate. My money situation is im trading in a Mirage for something more fast n fun. I originally thought for a Lancer, but figured it would be more fun to have a turbo option. The evonisnt a option because of the insane pricing. So ST? Is it okay in winter? How does it perform with daily driving? Is the RS superior?
In winter the ST is fine. I have all seasons on and went through snow over my bumper just fine. Am in WI in the states. The only thing that was an issue (usual) is up hill starts in the snow. I’ll get winter tires for this 2023 season and will for sure have zero issues. 6-7” max snowfall would be the limit for the ST
Hey Cameron, What do you think about the difference between the ST1, ST2, and ST3? Is it worth waiting/paying the extra money for a higher trim or should I just go for an ST1?
Ford knew how to fuck your head up and finesse people when it comes to these cars but I work for a company delivering tires and the one Ford dealer I go to just got a grey RS and I want it so bad but when it comes to price I’ll keep my ST I’m too poor to afford the RS and if I ever want one I’m just gonna buy one from co part auctions and just fix it
Ive been a JDM fanboy RWD all my life. My homie has a ST and i enjoyed riding with him all the time. He kept trying to talk me into an RS test drove one for week and just couldnt fall in love with it 😢 so decided to get a ST. My ONLY regret is not doing enough research on the trim packages n ended up with 22k for a ST1 over a year ago 😢
Ive owned both a ST and a RS. I traded my ST in on the RS and my only real regret is that i couldnt afford to do it sooner. Im down for questions about either though.
@moldyrefrigerator it was noticeable from the start. I believe the extra horsepower and the AWD sets the RS apart from the ST and honestly, in stock form, i believe the RS can punch way above it's weight class from a dig.The huge difference is the launch control I have in the RS. I didn't do any mods to my ST or my RS but I think both could be made noticeably faster with some sort of Access Port and a tune. My cousin had a ST and he put a tune on it and it was pretty awesome.
for me ST model feels easier to drive, and just for everyday drive, and long period of drive, feels more comfortable, while RS model is more like weekend/track car, but thats what i feel
I have the 2005 zx4 st… not a lot of people know it exists i didnt till i got it🤣 but its a na 2.3 5 speed manual really similar to the old svts and i like the car but its slow… my buddy has an st3 i think its a 16 and that thing can move it handles great i love it i want one so bad lol but problem is i dont wanna give up my jeep or my old focus dont think i can afford all 3
To be honest it feels like u didnt like it since day 1 apart from the ''estetics'' stuff, lots of peopel says its an horrible car for a daily use, thank god im from spain and here i got a ST mark4 and sometimes i wished to go for a RS mk3 but my ST is just a beast and for daily its more than enough, and you can go to the mountain anyway and have a great time. Thanks for vid as alwayz!
I dont know. I bought a 1999 Mits 3000gt SL( FWD ~220hp) I regretted not buying the 3000gt VR4(AWD ~320hp) the entire time i owned it. The problems were torque steer(it was so bad), and no cost effective way to increase power. There was no point of trying to increase power on the SL to me because I would smoke that one sad tire off in two gears but not actually go anywhere. I realize this is 2 decades of FWD Technology but i for one will never make that mistake again. The 3000gt was also on the hefty side but even in the SL version it was sporty and fun but no comparision in fun value or handling performance of AWD. This is coming from 48 year old, fastest exp previous was 455 buick rocket swapped 2dr olds 1979. Very fast straight line, and absolutely no turning allowed hehe.
Too lazy to edit. Point is imo want a vette? buy the zo6. Cant afford it? maybe a camaro, buy a ZL1, not 3LT. maybe you want Subi wrx....Buy the STI. etc. Figure out exactly what you are looking for in a car. Find the make and model that most closely matches your criteria. Buy the most decked out model of that car. Every option. If you can't afford the absolute perfect version then take it down a notch. Dont buy a car and regret it. It sux. Also look at years and miles of course, maybe you cant swing a new XX but you can buy a used XX that matches you perfectly.
Ive been wanting to get a new car for about 8 months now my first 2 cars were just basic cars an 02 lancer and a 2012 mazda 3. Ive been bouncing between a subi, an evo, a stang, an rs (way out of my budget), an ST, a speed3, and a few others. I just cant decide which would be the best for a new daily, I've been into cars for a while is this is the first time ill be able to get a car ill enjoy driving. Does anyone have an recommendations my budget is around 20k to 26k?
Daily or Hobby? Also the RS is not depreciating as much, so it isnt really more money then the ST. Also 4:50 you just had the wrong seats. The comfort seats were also optional for the RS.
ST owner here. The ST is one of those cars that i think needs some work to have that coolness factor that the RS has straight from the factory, but the ST is super fun to drive right out of the gate and even as i've considered maybe switching to a new car, i can't quite justify getting rid of a perfectly good vehicle that i also really enjoy driving. Don't feel bad if you can't afford the RS, the ST feels really good to drive and is especially great as a daily
Could not agree more
The ST starts off "softer" than an RS. That allows you to push it towards the RS level to get it to where you want it. The RS is pretty hardcore right from the factory. If it's too hard moving it down a notch or two is more of challenge.
ST owner and I have had so many issues I love it but please believe yes I’m going to speak out about all I’ve had to deal with when it comes to the ST
It truly is a fun car to drive
Something I've grown to love about the ST is that the torque steer forces you to learn precise throttle control
I agree. That said it has more to do with the E-diff behaving much more effectively if you slowly lay into the throttle. Usually good throttle control means effectively managing traction, but with the ST it's about letting the E-diff manage torque steer
I own an rs and love it. Bought it for $36k and it’s still worth $36k lol. I think that’s what it’ll stay at forever
just bought a 2016 for $30k need a bit of love, respray bonnet for example but beyond that I'm hoping it will hold its value for about forever
I’ve had both. Went back to st and sold the rs. St feels quicker around town without breaking the law. Always was driving beyond my capabilities in the rs. Looks and sound aside, the st is a more practical daily especially the st 1 seats.
Did you ever track either? As of now im leaning to stick with the ST, i have an RS on deck with 32k mi for a good deal, butttttt. I will say my ST is 120k.. and rippinggggg
If you live somewhere that snows! The AWD / drift mode in the snow is just unmatched!!! It’s just so much FUN. I live in Michigan and daily mine.
There are times I really feel bad owning the RS in the metro Detroit because the salt and horrible road conditions (the damper is not the best).
But I lived down Florida. The car is butter smooth.
Never driven RS but have owned my ST for about 6 years now, bought it used with about 2300 miles on it. Came with Roush exhaust and a turbosmart BOV. I added the Mountune MP 275 kit to it at around 8k miles. Did the shifter bushings and the Ford Performance short shifter (Which I think is discontinued). Its been a great car, approaching 96k and haven't had any major repairs.
All in all, for about 3 years I could not get enough of this car. Then I started putting a lot of highway miles on it due to a long distance relationship and it turned into "just a car". I neglected the paint and the washing it due to driving about 3 hours hours away each weekend. But, I still did the plug and oil changes... usual maintenance.
Recently dropped about 3k in "bigger" maintenance. New pads and rotors, AC service, trans flush, walnut blasting, radiator flush, alignment and what appeared to be an oil pan leak, turns out it was the PCV oil separator. I feel like the ball joints in the front are about to need replacing, debating on doing new springs, struts and bushings at the same time.
No major rattles, squeaks or clunks. Although I will say that the roads, freeways and highways here in Arizona (for the most part) are pretty nice to drive on.
Once all the major maintenance was done I started doing more aesthetic upgrades (headlights, taillights etc... wheels are next). Got the paint back into good shape and washing it once every two weeks minimum, if not every week.
I have fallen in love with it all over again.
Too poor for RS😂
A whole year of work for a car...
Don’t need it ST forever
@@jacobMMotorsport big facts🙌🏽
Facts absolutely love the rs but ima broke boy can barely afford after market parts for my st😂
I’m too poor for an st
The RS was my dream car when they first were announced so I went from an ST to a RS back in early 2018 and got a steal on the car so I was happy with it but in todays market I would for sure go with the ST especially if you want to make big power without feeling stressed if the RS will handle it or not. But the RS is for sure a thrill to drive even in stock form.
RS owner here -- I suppose it also comes down to where you came from. I went from RSX Type-S to MazdaSpeed 3 to Focus RS, so I really wanted to experience the AWD... and like Cameron said, the cultural aspect of owning a (relatively) rare car that made a big impact was part of the appeal as well. I've modded mine similarly to what Cameron has did with his (I didn't do a suspension or exhaust upgrade) and I still look forward to each and every drive. But yeah, if anyone's got any questions about long-term day-to-day RS ownership, let me know!
Also a RS owner here. I’m at 90k miles. What about you?
@@hum___h lookin around 63K!
Is the RS stable in winter? Or should I just stick with a ST?
@@hotrodmercury3941 welp, you’re asking the wrong guy - I live in Los Angeles. :) BUT! I’ve taken it to the mountains a few times and it does pretty well in light snow even with my summer tires.
Dude I am thinking about ST or RS. What is about maintenance? And is there maybe some issues or problem with RS in long term? I am in netherlands so we got different taxes and stuff.
Another ST owner. The RS and the ST basically look the same to me. I bought the OEM rear RS spoiler (expensive!) had it filled in and painted to match the Kona Blue color of my ST. I later added jack rails, front-side-rear skirt, hood struts and tinted the windows.
It's not an RS but it's close enough to the look of an RS that my RS itch is satisfied!
I test drove an RS in 2017 right before test driving and then buying an ST. The ST was a much more comfortable car to drive and was plenty quick.
I did end up selling it and upgrading to a Mustang GT. V8 world is pretty great
I just test drove an RS… my ST is stage 2, and mostly stripped for track.. was not an eventful test drive speed wise… couldn’t really corner the car, would love to take an RS on track before i make a desision… glad to watch this.
I got my RS about a year ago and love it.
It has an awe track exhaust which is super nice. Other than that, its stock. I guess my only complaint is that it drives very stiff. I daily mine and don't mind it, but sometimes my passengers complain depending on what kind of road you're on. With that being said, the car is a true pleasure to drive. I think you always could push an ST a little bit more than you can with an RS, but the RS is always going to be faster. if that makes sense. I've only driven an ST a few times and it was also pretty much stock.
My verdict: If you want a fun car to upgrade, daily it, and be reliable, the ST is perfect. If you're willing to pay a bit more and not go too crazy on mods, I would go with an RS. The RS is tough as nails. Mine has 112k miles and still feels incredible.
Hope that helps!
RS AWD on wet roads is a beast. 👍
I’ve own my 2018 st for 2 years and I love it wouldn’t change it for an rs. St for life
Building an RS for big power gets sketchy, you can get a ST up to 420hp without internals.
My ST with 250 hp could barely get its power down properly in first and second. Can't imagine another 170hp being useful for anything other highway pulls (boring and not the point of a Focus ST - i.e. go buy a Mustang).
I feel I’m an outlier of owning this car, I’m 32, I’m the old man of the group, I have had my ST for seven years now and while I have always wanted an RS, the ST is an amazing car. It is everything you'd possible want out of a hot hatch at this price point now. Heated seats, heated steering wheel, you have a boost, oil temp and pressure gauges right there. The analog gauges are here, while everything is digital now. You don't have the infotainment just sitting on top of the dash. I think it is under appreciated. While the RS is the bigger brother and comes with a valved exhaust and headlights that move with the steering inputs (ST3 package also has that). I feel you cannot go wrong with either or, if you’re new to the platform and can afford the RS, go for it!! But to upgrade to the RS from an ST, I feel you would rob yourself from experiencing a different platform. Also I agree with the seats even in the ST. If you’re taking a road trip over 2.5 hours. The seats become uncomfortable… maybe it’s old age.. anyway bottom line, both cars are great and truly comes down to price, wants and goals
hey fellow old man here. My regret was getting an ST1 i wish I had the luxuries of the ST3 or RS
I’m 21 and bought mine at 19, I can agree with the leather recaro’s it gets uncomfortable after some time. Great seats for daily use, road trips it’s a little brutal lmao
Dude, I'm hitting 40 this year. You're not old, stop complaining :) I own 2017 mk3 ST3 Turnier with 2.0 TDCi engine (Europe). Yes, it does not sound as good as petrol version of ST or RS but still.... it's a hell of fun car to drive - quick enough, family friendly, very economical if not pushed to it's limits. I think it's much better choice as a daily-family car.
I agree the exterior of the RS does look pretty sick but the 15-18 ST's also look sweet. I went with an ST for the price and availability an RS was twice as much and much harder to get ahold of. So, an ST at a decent price ( mind you i bought mine 3 yrs ago) and putting a couple grand in it makes it a great daily and or a light track duty car, and for me personally i dont like the blue stitching and accents on the interior of the RS the ST is cleaner in my opinion. All things considered the ST was just what i wanted, I love it.
Fwd = higher mpg. I have a hell of a commute to and from work everyday so higher mpg is king for me. Used to own a Subaru impreza before my ST and the subie was a gas hog compared to the ST. Absolutely love the focus and highly recommended it to anyone thinking about getting one
I have a 2018 facelift focus st. I like the more aggressive look it has to the (outdated) look of the prefacelift. The mods I've done has enhanced the aggressive look but not over powering. Because of your st video is the reason I bought my car. It's my first 4 banger and hatchback. It is a awesome drive and the ST I think in my opinion can do just as well as the rs minus the awd. I do alot of car meets here in vegas and I get more compliments on my st then the rs's out here. Both cars are great but my heart belongs with the st
ST owner with experience in both. I have always felt like a full bolt-on E30 ST was 70-80% of an RS. That's not to say that the RS isn't fucking sweet, because an ST is fucking sweet and the RS is better, even if the cost difference isn't justified by that difference.
Personally, for example, I think that my ST3 interior is better than an RS because I have full leather. This likely comes down to me having young kids and cleaning that Alcantara would be a nightmare. Sure I may not be as fast, but it's pretty close where it counts.
What make me sad is I likely will not ever own an RS... I just can't see myself getting out of my ST and buying an RS. I will want to experience something completely different.
ST Owner here: I lucked out and bought my 2016 ST3 with an RS bumper already installed, so I got the best of both worlds.I personally think the ST is a bit more rowdy and nimble than the RS. Something about FWD just always keeping you on your toes
You chosen the best of both world having a FWD?Let me laugh for a while.Aside Type-R and French pocket rockets i would never consider an FWD car be motorsport car.
@@4pexPredatorFWD is way more fun than AWD lol… of course rear wheel drive tops both though. And a FBO e30 ST cakewalks Type R’s.
I have ‘17 RS. Got it for 32k 4 years ago and it is still worth $32k. The RS is an investment. Every person that buys an ST wishes they bought an RS. No CAP
Very true
Yup, I just picked one up at work, so I got a steal for 28k and could turn around and sell it for 30k. Such a great car
I miss my 2004 svt focus!! Back in 2006, it was a quick little car. I got out of the tuner cars and into the sun's because of the kids, but im considering getting back into it. An RS looks so good, but the price...
To keep the power of the RS at maximum.
1) Use Motul 5w-50 and Always keep an eye on the dipstick. Keep your oil at max all the time.
2) Use Liqui Moly Gasoline System Cleaner. I have used so many different injector cleaners on my RS and the only one that gives you satisfying results is Liqui Moly. Liqui Moly is expensive but it friggin works great.
3) Keep an eye on your plugs. I got mine pre-gapped from mountuneusa.
These 3 basic things will keep your power the same from the day it was new at the dealer.
I've never wanted an RS as much as I want an ST. I actually plan on getting an ST as my next car. The RS is obviously more expensive and I can't afford it, but I feel the ST is more than enough fun and car for the money.
As a newer st owner, it's plenty of car for a daily driver and super fun to drive!
They are both a blast to drive. Have both and they are 2 different cars and fun to drive.
@@miketatreau7853How do you compare the acceleration difference between them?
The ST is lighter and probably better for track.
All of us ST owners really want the RS but most can’t afford that price for essentially the same car just with all wheel drive. I love my ST and honestly the 2.0 is a more robust engine. If you leave the RS alone it’s great.
Had a 2015 ST before I got stationed in Japan, and had to sell it, it was the saddest moment I have had to go through (apart from a relative's death) Now I'm going back and have a 2017 ST to head back home to, such a fun car to drive daily and the amount of stuff that can be upgraded is definitely worth saving those $15-20K of getting an RS.
Honestly it's just like the si vs the Type R, si and the st have a huge fan base behind them but the rs and type r will continue to be the bigger brother, if you have the money for the RS you won't regret it.💙
i've owned 2 ST's and an RS. I sold my RS for another ST
Agreed. The Type R, RS, Golf R, STI are the rockstar level tuner cars.
Just got my ST and it’s so fun to drive!!! Love this car.
Former base model ST owner here. The ST is a fun car, but it's so lower rung when compared to the other cars in the segment. I couldn't get over how terrible the interior was. My ST was bought used, but low milage. I LOVED the seats, but the dash/console was just a janky mess. Huge gaps in the interior parts and hard plastics all over. That's one reason why I ditched mine. I couldn't imagine paying Focus RS prices and getting basically the same interior.
There are other cars in this segment that put the RS to shame when it comes to build quality/materials.
I feel like if you want a lightly modded, couple bolt on daily, the RS.
If you want to build a fun car with lots of mods and tuning options. ST.
The RS just has too many issues. Too much to break, and more expensive to mod and tune. 🤷♂️
I have both. The rs daily and the st is built. Has every bolt on and fun to beat on . The rs has a few tasteful mods. I commute 150 miles a day for work. Comfortable to drive and fun.
I’m bias, but if you’re looking for fun behind the wheel. Get a 2016-2019 fiesta st with the recaro package. Do a hybrid turbo or s280 upgrade for around 5-7k (that’s with supporting mods too.) on 93 octane you make about 275-290 whp. On e30 it’s 290-325 depending on the turbo installed. Crazy fun for the money.
I have a 15 fiesta st and full bolt ons stock turbo with a tune and I’m pushing 240 definitely could definitely gain extra 50-75 with s280 turbo but best daily/track car I’ve owned
I would love to see Parker give his take on the RS, coming from an current ST owner
St2 magnetic metallic owner here with snowflake wheels... If they sold magnetic metallic RS here in the states i would buy one immediately. I know a couple came here accidentally but they are crazy money. ST is the perfect daily and I haven't been able to justify upgrading it to an RS. At 5'10' , 160lbs the recaros are perfect for me. 2018 year model has carplay which is a HUGE bonus imo. Live in Minnesota and it is perfectly driveable in the winter as long as the bumper clears the snow--if there is 1ft of snow then just wait lol... Now that I have a truck again the only car I would consider selling it for would be a gt350r.. I cant think of any cars less than 70k I would rather have than my ST... it'll be tough to let it go. Not to mention it's only cost me roughly 12cents/mile to own and I bought it brand new.
i own a focus st, never driven rs so take this with a grain of salt. i’m had my car for about a year now and it’s amazing. sure all wheel drive is better, then rs aethetics are better, etc. but the driving experience in the st is still amazing. you get a lot of slip in first and second gear but it’s not worth spending the extra money for the rs is that regard because it improves your throttle control since you HAVE to improve your throttle control. also the focus st is easily moddable to make a lot more power. you can get tunes with launch control to help the slip a little bit, etc. again i have not driven an rs and of course it’s obviously better i highly doubt it’s worth the price. the st is an amazing car, i love it so much and the only things that i would change is the loss of traction in first and second (only on wide open throttle) and i would prefer all wheel drive but again you can get launch control and the all wheel drive isn’t worth the extra money imo
edit: oh and i forgot the seats. i have the an st2 so i have the upgraded recaro seats and i love them. when i have larger seat sit in the car, they don’t say they’re uncomfortable, they just say that they’re “tight” so they are definitely more bearable than the rs seats. jus then again i’m 5’10 135 lbs so i’m a pretty skinny dude. so if you’re like me, you will love the st seats but if you’re a little larger, you may not love them but you like them more. and you could also just go for the st1 with the normal seats because they are way more forgiving with the bolstering.
ST all day, stronger block and less bs to maintain and just simpler mechanically wise…imho. RS does look badass thou, almost went RS. Saw a shadow black base RS in dealer showroom for $33k, after taxes and all that bs my ST came out to 31k and the sticker price on my ST was $27,000 for ST2 package and insurance wasn’t that much more than my ST. I loooove the recaros, most comfortable seats I’ve ever sat in.
Here in Canada it was pretty much a given to get an AWD vehicle instead of a FWD. I didn't mind forking out the extra cash to have everything I wanted in a vehicle straight from factory (Brembo's, recaros, valved exhaust that pops, nice oem rims, launch control, tight suspension etc.)
im in canada, u can get 2x ST for the price of one RS. If u are on a road awd does nothing
Hey, 2014 Fiesta ST owner here. (AND DIY'er- ALL mods I have done myself) I absolutely LOVE my ST! I have several mods(Accessport+Dizzy tune, intake, de-cat downpipe, 3in exhaust, upgraded FMIC, Rear Mount, etc.) I also have 16x8 wheels with super sticky Federal 595 RS-R tires.
All that said, I kinda agree? with Cameron. My Fiesta ST is the most fun car that I have ever owned. I am 50 years old, and I have had several mk1 and mk2 VW GTI's, a mk2 Jetta GLi 16v (that was pretty cool), a mk 3 VR6 GTi, and numerous other vehicles.
I can't imagine another car that is so fun for so low a price. Is the RS really worth the premium price for a daily driver?
Oh, by the way, I am a fifty year old male. My car history is mostly VW's. I have always loved hatchbacks, thus I have had MANY GTi's
I bought my first ST in August of 2016, a 2013 ST3 with 38k miles and very clean. I did an intercooler, intake, downpipe, and cobb ap with stratified tunes. I loved the car but quickly wanted a face-lift ST and in March of 2018 I bought a 2017 kona blue ST3 with 1700 miles on it. I transfered the parts I already had from the 13 and then went way farther with bolt ons with the new car. I loved this car and it was my daily and it was a blast to drive everyday but the want for a RS never went away. April of 2023 I bought a 2016 nitrous blue rs with 36k miles and the only mod is a borla attack cat back. I won't say I don't miss the 17 st .because I do but I will say stock car for stock car the RS is hands down the better car. No its not as quick on light acceleration as the ST was with every bolt on and tuned but above 4k rpm the RS is a whole different animal..STOCK.. The ST was game over at 5200 rpm. I know you didn't like the stiff ride of the RS but it doesn't bother me and I guess I'm used to the recaros after owning 3 focuses with them. My thoughts on the comparison is if you you don't or can't spend the money on an RS that's fine because the ST is perfectly fine and will do what you asked of it but for the full experience you have to mod the car. I feel the rs is just built better, it feels more solid than the ST.
I’m gonna be completely honest, I have spent reasonable amount of time in both the ST and the RS. Nothing about the ST made me fall in love with the car, that’s not to say that it is a boring car, or that it is unpleasant to drive. It is still a fun car, but it does not hold a candle in any regards to the RS in my opinion. The seats in the RS has never been uncomfortable either in my opinion. For context on my experience as a driver, I have countless hours in driving sims and nearly a hundred hours of real track time spanning a couple vehicles. I know how to be fast in a FWD car. I would still take the RS all day every day for a daily driver over the ST.
Hey Folks! I'm the proud owner of both. I stumbled on the ST years ago when I was looking around for a GTI. Always was a Golf fan, but my friend said you should really give the Focus ST a try. Low and behold, I blindly bought one, and I absolutely loved it! It was the car in which I learned to drive stick, yes I bought it without knowing and just had my friend drive it back 😅. It is a '17 Focus RS ST3. Then, as time went by, I obviously got more and more intrigued with the Focus RS, I tend to get bored quickly, I wasn't bored though, just enticed by the perspective of own a RS, it's looks, and that engine! So when Cameron got it, yes the same one speaking here, I just loved how exciting and fun it all sounded. Needless to say, did research, looked around, drove one that was bit beat up, instantly fell in love on who much more poised the car was. I didn't buy the beat up one, I bought one I found with only 8K on the ODO for a very cheap price. Which is what convinced me to get it. It all worked out for me because I handed off the ST to my cousin that instantly fell in love with it as much as I did when we drove down a few states away to pick up the RS. So it's still in my life.. Do I regret it? No because I get to make someone else extremely happy. My recommendation? Buy the ST first and see if you even value these cars for what they are. The only reason I am in an RS is because I absolutely loved my ST. You accept it for it's defects because at the end of the day, it's the car that most suits you. That's it. (The chairs I've always found very comfortable though so, can't relate on that.)
Did - did you say a focus rs st3 - huh??
@@tylertuliszewski2835 Ha! Good catch. ST ST3
Mad that in the states and other countries you’re allowed to just buy a manual transmission car without doing seperate driving test. Over here the only folk who do the automatic driving test are people who struggle to learn to drive and fail the full licence several times. Pretty much everyone drives manual to start with. You can drive an auto on a full licence but you can’t drive manual on an auto only licence.
An ST with a limited slip diff I think would be the optimal driving experience.
Get a manual GTI. Basically the same performance level with a LSD.
I put a quaife LSD in my ST and while expensive, it was totally worth it
Had both and while I loved my 14 ST, the RS is head and shoulders above it in all aspects. The way it goes around corners is incredible but so is the ST - however it is the way that the RS goes out of corners is enough to make you laugh out loud. Acres of power, amazing from a dig
If I didn't like my ST, I wouldn't be driving it on track for 5 years and emjoying myself :)
ST owner here… yes the RS is what i wish i could afford, but ONLY because of the higher HP… i bought my 2017 ST3 for about $20k in 2022 (yeah i know I overpaid but that was inflation back in ATL) and the 2017 RS at that time were averaging around $36k…. Huge difference in price… and the ST still looks cool AF… love how it handles, love the interior, its just a great compact nifty car… drove it to Dallas TX when moved back in 2023 and have drove it to ATL from Dallas back and forth 22 hour drive combined with no issues… im 6”1 290lbs… so a big guy… with no issues … im actually driving back in September again…. My girlfriend loves it…. i do not regret it whatsoever! 😁
I've come from a speed 3 to a RS and i love the RS it's become my dream car. It's also very rare to see and I love seeing others when I do. The RS is definitely my favorite car 😁
Love my RS. I dont think ill ever get rid of it
Same here. And I use to be an ST guy. Once I drove the RS there was no looking back!
Just drove a ST right now I think they are the most fun car for the money it will definitely but a smile on your face and the torque steer is crazy. The RS with drift mode is fun as well but for the price ST all day
In Porsche Terms ST=GT3 and RS=GT3 RS, one is for Drivers who barely do track days but love driving the other for track use and cars and coffee
RS owner here, never drove an ST. Living in Canada where we get major snow storms and 5 months of Winter the RS is absolutely amazing. It's the closest one can get to a rally car for the road. The seats are definitely uncomfortable but livable as I've done 13 hour trips in it and I'm prone to a sore back. Seats are supportive but definitely not cushy, lol same with the ride. Those are about my only complaints besides the somewhat basic interior. I'm actually thinking of selling it for a Kia Stinger as I don't have all that many corners where I live and a comfy, options loaded GT car would work better for me at this time in my life.... but that said the RS is so special and with a Mountune V2X cat back exhaust it sounds absolutely amazing. The handling is fantastic in all weather, especially with winter tires and drift mode! Also looking at a BMW M340i but not sure I want to spend that much just for the straight line speed and slightly bigger back seat with the extra increase in maintenance costs... lol so many choices.
for less money my big turbo ST on E is making rs power just don’t have the awd. RS is def still a dream car to own one day
RS Owner here. I come from 6 years behind the wheel of a Jeep wrangler… this car is a fucking rocket 😅.
I’m in Colorado and I knew I wanted a 4 wheel drive high performance car. Ive gotten deep into rally racing (as a fan). I almost bought the golf r and admittedly I sometimes wish I did because the sound system and quality of life in the RS just isn’t that great (unless you’re Hooning around). I just had a blast test driving the RS and the golf R didn’t deliver that rush when going full throttle in the corners.
I think I would’ve had just as much fun in the ST, but I knew the manual Gold R wasn’t even coming close to the driving experience as the RS. I love 4 wheel dr platforms for there snow capability.
If I was im Arizona, I probably would’ve still gotten the RS because I’d visit some friends of mine in flagstaff.
Both are incredible cars. But for me, I was trying to decide between the RS, Golf R, Evo X GSR, or the new Supra in manual. But if I was going to pay 60k or more, I’d get a used Porsche 718 Cayman S or GTS.
I had a powerful STI, But I had front wheel drive powerful cars I think the Front Wheel Drive is the way to go now. I’m in my 30s I also had more fun in front wheel drive cars then 4 wheel drive. But if you understand how these cars handle will too. Every time .
ST, I went 3 inch straight to the stock muffler, I love the stock tip, small drone, but sounds pretty good
Want the all-wheel-drive RS for the Colorado weather along with the heated steering wheel. I would definitely take the seats out for a more comfortable seat. I have a 2007 Shelby GT 500 and I just want something that’s more suited for Colorado weather. Except for there is nothing suited for the Colorado roads except for a Baja truck.
To me I feel like it’s the same arguments that happen between the civic SI vs the civic type R. Both are amazing cars and there isn’t a wrong answer. I personally want a focus rs or St. I’m evdd even in the market for a fiesta ST. 😂
I'm an RS owner. 2017 Stealth Grey, with a bunch of bolt-ons and a tune. I drove an ST for awhile and I have to say there is NO Doubt the RS is better in every way. No regrets buying the RS. It handles better, better styling and way more power and more power to be made if you do it the right way. There are a few ST's in my neighborhood that for some reason thought they could hang with my RS on the street but they found out the hard way 😄
I have both right now, have had the st3 for a while and now only recently the RS. My ST has the 275 mountune package, in 3rd gear it's a bit quicker than my stock RS. It's an odd one, but with all that extra weight of the RS 4wd I suppose it makes sense. Overall agree with what you say from a drivers car perspective the RS is better and faster on road, and definitely has the better traction up to 50pmh, My one caveat is that I still think the ST is just as good from an all round perspective, as in a bit more comfortable, and definitely a lot less thirsty on fuel, doesn't attract thieves. This said. RS holds its value incredibly well, so overall both great options.
Manual SEs are just as good of an option. yes horsepower is a concern but I've been able to learn how to drive very well with the car. And it doesn't have the turbo related issues
ST is way better (bit biased since i own one) But you wanna make power on an RS, you take an ST 2.0 block and stroke it to a 2.3. The 2.3 is good for the stock 350hp it comes with. Also not to mention, yea the RS is all wheel drive but is primarily fwd and if you track the RS, the rear diff will overheat and the ECU will freak out and you'll essentially be driving an overpriced ST haha. RS is good stock but nothing more. FBO ST with a hybrid turbo, not even a big turbo just bigger compressor in stock housing and some E and you'll be smoking RS's and having more fun doing it lol
exactly i can back this up as i have a garret turbo on E in my 17 st and am making rs power for well under the price of one
Been dailying my ST for 5 years now, have taken it across the continental US and into Canada. About 110k miles now. Ford did right with this car, gonna drive it into the ground. One of the best dailies anyone can ask for.
My 2016 ST and my 2000 ZX3 is all I need.
Cant have this conversation and not mention whether or not you need AWD. The ST is great, and great value for money, I loved mine. But if you live somewhere with snow or cold winters that require less grippy tires, the two shouldn't be compared.
My ST was stock and even then I couldn't put the power down all winter long. When I bought it I wondered if my access to its performance would be limited during the months I had to use winter tires - it was, so I sold it. No sense in owning a "fast" car that isn't that fast half the time.
I would run a stratified pro tune. They’ve had the most experience with the platform.
Funny this posted today as i have been sitting here for the last week trying to decide on the two. Break the bank and get the RS or spend 10-15k less and get the ST and add mods, sound and looks goes to the RS i also really like AWD buttt am i going to want to drive it in the winter even if i had it idk! hard choice but will prolly go with the ST because of price. Wont pretend like 35 40k is a cheap spend for me.
< ST with extensive exterior modifications, custom exhaust and FBO/ big turbo
I want a RS so bad maybe in a 3 4 years but then i feel like by then ill go woth the GR corrola cause rs will be to old by then
I have owned both cars and I think RS is just better car in every way. But ST is still very good car and cheaper. On the other hand RS keeps value much better at least here where I live. And we have snow here 4-5 months so ST is useless on that period. RS is almost more fun car on snow than dry tarmac 😅 And the drift mode is so fun on snow 😏
RS is drift mode is so much fun in snow! Pulling huge drifts is addictive. Honestly every corner in the winter I take sideways, lol.
Hold up what the h3ll is left foot racing? I’ve never heard of it. I drive a 2007 nc Miata with a 2.5 that I swapped into it for more fun. Always loved the focuses tho!
Absolutely love my ST
Went from a Focus ST, to a Focus RS, the only thing I liked more with the RS was the ability to kick the rear end out and launching at 5k rpm. Granted im a General Contractor and I can very well afford the RS, but the ST was definitely overall the better choice. This upcoming January im planing to switch to the 2024 Ford Maverick Tremor, st motor and RS diff💪🏾
I only have AWD cars so I wouldn't even consider the ST. If the RS wasn't AWD I wouldn't waste my time considering one, the STi would have been the obvious choice (2014 Hatch) but I am very happy with my 2017 Mountune B7 Focus RS after having owned it for a little over 3 years now.
I had an st but it got in a wreck. But i love the rs for the looks and the all wheel drive and a good bit more power but the looks is so much better but im having a hard time seeing spending 20k more
Maybe ST with RS body kit? Best of both worlds?
Hey Cameron, I know I’m super late on this comment but I just purchased a MK6 GTI… just wondering why you went with the GTI as opposed to the Golf R?
My question is, is the ST okay during winter? I live in a cold climate. My money situation is im trading in a Mirage for something more fast n fun. I originally thought for a Lancer, but figured it would be more fun to have a turbo option. The evonisnt a option because of the insane pricing.
So ST? Is it okay in winter? How does it perform with daily driving?
Is the RS superior?
In winter the ST is fine. I have all seasons on and went through snow over my bumper just fine. Am in WI in the states. The only thing that was an issue (usual) is up hill starts in the snow. I’ll get winter tires for this 2023 season and will for sure have zero issues. 6-7” max snowfall would be the limit for the ST
Love my ST but when I get it where I want it I am going to get the RS. So my plan is to own both of them.
I drive an ‘08 GT500 and a ‘19 Raptor. I’ve had my thoughts on a hot hatch lately. As soon as “front wheel drive car” was said…. I’m out.
Hey Cameron,
What do you think about the difference between the ST1, ST2, and ST3? Is it worth waiting/paying the extra money for a higher trim or should I just go for an ST1?
st3 is has really nice features im glad i went that route the st1 is just meh imo on the inside
ST2 or ST3 fs
If you want just the performance than go with an ST1 which I have which is nice but my next car, I really want an ST3 with all leather Recaro's
Ford knew how to fuck your head up and finesse people when it comes to these cars but I work for a company delivering tires and the one Ford dealer I go to just got a grey RS and I want it so bad but when it comes to price I’ll keep my ST I’m too poor to afford the RS and if I ever want one I’m just gonna buy one from co part auctions and just fix it
I really wanted an RS and I could’ve gotten one, but I found an ST with less than 10k miles… let’s just say I’m happy to settle for the ST
Damn I do want a rs for Awd system cuz making an st Awd could be around the same money as just buying one but idk
Ive been a JDM fanboy RWD all my life. My homie has a ST and i enjoyed riding with him all the time. He kept trying to talk me into an RS test drove one for week and just couldnt fall in love with it 😢 so decided to get a ST. My ONLY regret is not doing enough research on the trim packages n ended up with 22k for a ST1 over a year ago 😢
Same I didt know there was trim levels to them nonetheless I still love my st1
i am solidified on getting an rs.
If I had a sip of my beer every time you say the word "like" I'd probably be dead.
RS OWNER! AND I LOVE IT!!!
Ive owned both a ST and a RS. I traded my ST in on the RS and my only real regret is that i couldnt afford to do it sooner. Im down for questions about either though.
Can you compare the acceleration difference between them?
@moldyrefrigerator it was noticeable from the start. I believe the extra horsepower and the AWD sets the RS apart from the ST and honestly, in stock form, i believe the RS can punch way above it's weight class from a dig.The huge difference is the launch control I have in the RS. I didn't do any mods to my ST or my RS but I think both could be made noticeably faster with some sort of Access Port and a tune. My cousin had a ST and he put a tune on it and it was pretty awesome.
for me ST model feels easier to drive, and just for everyday drive, and long period of drive, feels more comfortable, while RS model is more like weekend/track car, but thats what i feel
I have the 2005 zx4 st… not a lot of people know it exists i didnt till i got it🤣 but its a na 2.3 5 speed manual really similar to the old svts and i like the car but its slow… my buddy has an st3 i think its a 16 and that thing can move it handles great i love it i want one so bad lol but problem is i dont wanna give up my jeep or my old focus dont think i can afford all 3
Amazing content, keep it up 🙏🏻
To be honest it feels like u didnt like it since day 1 apart from the ''estetics'' stuff, lots of peopel says its an horrible car for a daily use, thank god im from spain and here i got a ST mark4 and sometimes i wished to go for a RS mk3 but my ST is just a beast and for daily its more than enough, and you can go to the mountain anyway and have a great time. Thanks for vid as alwayz!
I dont know. I bought a 1999 Mits 3000gt SL( FWD ~220hp) I regretted not buying the 3000gt VR4(AWD ~320hp) the entire time i owned it. The problems were
torque steer(it was so bad), and no cost effective way to increase power. There was no point of trying to increase power on the SL to me because I would smoke that one sad tire off in two gears but not actually go anywhere. I realize this is 2 decades of FWD Technology but i for one will never make that mistake again. The 3000gt was also on the hefty side but even in the SL version it was sporty and fun but no comparision in fun value or handling performance of AWD. This is coming from 48 year old, fastest exp previous was 455 buick rocket swapped 2dr olds 1979. Very fast straight line, and absolutely no turning allowed hehe.
Also own a 2007 toyota Rav 4 3.5L AWD. LOL you would be suprised, that thing gets up for groceries :-)
Too lazy to edit. Point is imo want a vette? buy the zo6. Cant afford it? maybe a camaro, buy a ZL1, not 3LT. maybe you want Subi wrx....Buy the STI. etc. Figure out exactly what you are looking for in a car. Find the make and model that most closely matches your criteria. Buy the most decked out model of that car. Every option. If you can't afford the absolute perfect version then take it down a notch. Dont buy a car and regret it. It sux. Also look at years and miles of course, maybe you cant swing a new XX but you can buy a used XX that matches you perfectly.
I feel like you need to do the fiesta now 👀. Please.
I have an ST, and the only thing that would make it perfect is if it was AWD.
Fiesta st slept on please buy one 😮
The bucket seats aren't uncomfortable
Ive been wanting to get a new car for about 8 months now my first 2 cars were just basic cars an 02 lancer and a 2012 mazda 3. Ive been bouncing between a subi, an evo, a stang, an rs (way out of my budget), an ST, a speed3, and a few others. I just cant decide which would be the best for a new daily, I've been into cars for a while is this is the first time ill be able to get a car ill enjoy driving. Does anyone have an recommendations my budget is around 20k to 26k?
Daily or Hobby? Also the RS is not depreciating as much, so it isnt really more money then the ST. Also 4:50 you just had the wrong seats. The comfort seats were also optional for the RS.
IMO the focus ST prefacelift looks better than the focus RS
ST is the best all around car thats bulletproof
or you live where there’s snow so the RS AWD system is almost a must