I really appreciate your willingness to think outside the box. Without seeming to cross the line into gun-kata, mall-ninja, impractical but neato-burrito looking stuff, I mean.
Exactly. In the 1950s a pistol was a one handed weapon. In the 60s that started to change because of outside the box thinkers like Jeff Cooper. This is how things evolve and improve.
One thing you didn't seem to touch on, but seems to be a benefit of this as well is the retention. It's already well-retained, especially compared to something like your shorty AR, so it would be harder for someone to get hold of it in basically any self-defense scenario, at home or otherwise. That, and you're not sacrificing anything like you would trying to use a regular pistol, AR, etc.
you know, or that strap is used to point the gun at your chin in a manner your human kinematics make it absolutely impossible to defend against your own weapon being used against you. but forget all that. rimfire self defense! because my life aint worth shit!
You have made a convincing argument for this gun so i went out and bought one set it up like yours it is unreal so one week into it i bought another one same setup again its my new do all gun just use good ammo and it runs great thanks for the vids and all the great info
Was thinking of writing a story where a retired spec ops vet is hired to sneak into some gang compound and rescue a kid, Metal Gear Solid style. Originally I was thinking of some small suppressed MP5 variant, but this seems like it may be way better for that scenario. Smaller, better for close quarters, still has a lot of rounds.
You might have just created the ultimate "trailer park and apartment yuppie" bump in the night gun and PDW for the reasons you outlined. 22lr might not have the inherit velocity with larger rifle or pistol calibers but with the speed and accuracy you can achieve for that first shot can throw that argument out the window. Compact fire position, high capacity platform, fast sighting and low recoil/concussion even in enclosed spaces. Aces all the way for 99% of real world threats a civilian would possibly face.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I'd take it a step further and argue this has the potential to be the next best vehicle defense gun. One hand steering and the other already cheating the draw/ and or already having it up and presented to the threat (not advisable in all but very few scenarios). A compact light/laser combo would bring this to that next level by allowing you to focus on navigating away from danger but still being able to react defensively by using the laser as your aiming reference . While I don't advocate supporting Chinese manufacturing the Olight Baldr Mini is the only one that can possibly fit the form factor for this gun. Bonus for its QD magnetic charging cable allowing for bedside/car usb port charging without requiring it to be deliberately unplugged. Only possinle con that would need to be tested is how 22lr would start to behave if you had to shoot through windshield glass or if laser aiming is affected by refraction.
As for .22LR, I would much rather fire 5-6 shots accurately in the time it would take for me to get 2 rounds of .45 or 9mm. I hope people will start taking this round more seriously. I don’t see the need for single round stopping power. Mathematically, it’s a lower probability situation of hitting a lethal shot if you are relegating yourself to 1 (or maybe 2 rounds). I think most people would GTFO if they got shot by a single round of .22LR anyway. And if you can pull off 5-6 rounds they might not be running at all.
Also I’m sure if fired indoors it’s loud enough to confuse anyone besides an enthusiast as to which caliber it is. Not that they’d have much time to ponder that as they now suddenly feel 12 burning pin pricks center mass.
I've watched a lot of your cheek pistol videos and I think you've just about sold me on trying your CP33 setup. I dig outside of the box thinking and that's definitely what you've been doing. Not just with the cheek pistol, but with everything on your channel. Super cool stuff! 🙏
Really love the info provided regarding this particular caliber and kel-tec system. Funny thing is my 22/45 Lite is my go to duty pistol, do to the fact that it is very lite and hits small groups very well and is well balanced.
Bought a CP33 for myself not long ago, along with a Holosun 503CU- GR, and have begun working with it in this cheek pistol style. Had a rough start with it getting the magazines loaded right but the speed loader Kel Tec sells is a life saver in that regard. Still not great with some ammo but with most any 40 grn solids it is very reliable. Stupid simple to get rapid x ring hits within 20 yrds and lots of fun. Thanks for the work you have put into this concept and sharing it, looking forward to more of your thoughts on this firearm and it's application.
Wow, super interested. I tried to build something like this 15 years ago on 10/22 charger platform, but it was a bit long and heavy, and I was trying to grip it like a macro pistol, just didn't work. Tried again with 22/45 and push out method, and was too small. Sad to say at the time I wrote off .22 sold the rugers and 1000s of rounds of ammo. I think this keltec, at it's "in between" sizing, clever optics mount, and your innovative way to grip it, is really groundbreaking. It's like bullets coming out of your eyeballs, seems a very intuitive platform. It is interesting the aiming comes so natural, without the pointing arm strait forward method that is so popular today.
Ok Rhett, This is working out VERY WELL with my CP33!!! CP33 now stands for Cheek Pistol 33! I'm also better with this arrangement than my AR or any pistol. Pretty sick. People laugh, giggle and snicker until they try it. Then its a look of bewilderment, then a smile.
I’m beyond happy I found this video. Instant subscriber. Just left the bang bang shop with a Sig Romeo 5 and a riser. Put a camera strap on it and wow is all I can say. I’m in love!!! Thanks so much for the best hook up ever!!!!
Just getting into 3D printing of gun stocks and receivers. Thinking I will build this layout using the Ruger 10/22 components and cut the barrel down to pistol length. Yes, I'm cheap and enjoy the DIY aspect.
I bought one 3 months ago. Added 3d parts from Bolagan sports. Added a ghost viper red/green dot on a 45 offset rail caps and a 5" M16/GAU muzzle brake. Took it too the range and shoot it with 1/3" groups.
That's basically the technique we experimented with for metallic silhouette matches in the 1990s, mostly with airguns and .22 rimfire, when the rules didn't specifically prohibit unconventional handgun hold techniques. Unfortunately rule changes caused us to abandon some techniques that are useful for practical and defensive shooting scenarios.
Would like to see training tips for this combination on cheek utilization. My son sent me this video and liked the result so I'm now subbed. Thx for thinking outside the box as another posted. Keeping it real and righteous.
You may wonder why you aren't taking off on youtube. Well, I believe it is because you can do what most of us can never hope to achieve. Great channel. Just, not attainable for the masses.
I have been working with this concept. I am purchasing the cheek rest from trung the maker. I think having my ear behind ejection port much more pleasurable. Great concept as it adds versitility to this weapon
@@miniapplesun it keeps your face further back of injection port. It works well but you still get some residue in your eyes. I like it because your face is not getting irritated by the rail. However the charging handle still aggravates me. I have tried rail protectors but they tend to pop off. I am going to make a rail protector shell deflector combo out of kydex. This will hopefully keep residue out if face, direct port pop away from ear and provide a mor comfortable place for face to rest. Is the tryng cheek piece ok yes. I would try the shell deflector offeres by demonstrative concepts first. For me i want to make one of my own. Hope this helps.
There's something very Keltec about the fact that a novel (but clearly innovative and functional) technique has to be developed to make one of their product go from "Why would you ever buy this?" to "This is the only thing to buy for this use case"..
Very cool man I'm looking into 22's & a lot of your vids are great this is really amazing thanks! I want one now. Have used a lot of info from your vids to reccomend stuff to my Bro
Very neat and interesting set up! I never thought of firing the CP33 like that. I'm going the SBR route and putting a stock/handgrip on it when my form 1 comes back.
Always could add a magnifier too for hunting. A 3x is likely plenty for clarity out to 50 and is still low power enough that peripheral vision isn't going to be much disturbed. I've been mulling over some kind of .22 setup for hunting and what you present is the most compelling I've seen yet. Definitely going to experiment with the idea.
Scalarworks Leap 1.93 Mount Holosun 403b Tandemkross Game Changer Pro Brake Single point sling /homemade custom work and what appears to be soft gel rail covers
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I am sure the cheek weld would be perfect on my Kel-Tec plr-16. Funny how we get set in our ways and never even think of what you have shone
Appreciate the work you do in sharing the methods you've developed. How would you utilize a hand light or weapon light (if mounting a light is possible) with this setup?
Biggest issues are double the size and weight. This would be an issue for some shooters. When considering that those guns are also balanced much further forward of the grip, many would find it uncomfortable to hold one handed in the cheeked position.
Still trying to find a platform I can use this concept with. Complications: I live in CA, and I’m left handed and left eye dominant. Please no replies about moving, I’ve heard them all before.
If you had a choice of caliber for a gun like this would you stick to .22lr or would you go bigger? Is there a caliber out there that you think would be better in a cheek pistol or are you content with the performance of the .22? I know you experimented with the B&t TP9 as well. If you could have the 9mm capability of the TP9 in the form factor of the CP33 would you take that over a .22? I know going up to 9mm would add weight and reduced capacity. Would it be worth it in your opinion?
A third point of hard contact marrying the eye to the gun is far more beneficial than floating a gun on sling tension alone. Sling doesn’t provide the repeatable index that cheek does. You can use sling tension while cheeking.
It makes me wonder if a Mech Tech upper w/a Glock lower wouldn't give you a slightly bigger gun but more variety in caliber ? Do you feel 22LR is the largest caliber you would want that close to your face ?
step 1: keltec make the gun in 22 wmr step 2: FN makes similar gun in 5.7 for ridiculous amount of money step 3: Ruger makes similar gun to FN for reasonable amount of money.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 im going to be checking daily... just replicated the setup but w a romeo5 up top and a different side-discharging brake... im hunting for a rear qd sling adapter shown on truth about gun review - cant find in the wild vs the hallowed out paracord. also been running lcp2 22lr, lcr22, lcrx22, P17, and a custom 856 UL CH 9mm conversion as daily carry... craving more 22lr as primary vids!!!!
I’m a big fan of visible lasers, but I’ve never found them effective enough for use as a primary sighting system. Passive single focal plane optics (red dots and low powered optics) slaved to the eye should theoretically always be faster and easier to acquire in any environment where aligning the gun with eye is possible, which is MOST environments. Still, lasers dominate any time this is not possible.
Great concept. Both wife and I got these jems in feb21’. Love them! You can tear out centers of targets at 15 yards all day long with the OEM irons BUT your set up is awesome! What sling and cord are you using? Link??? Thanks!!!
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I'm really impressed with your out of the box thinking - so much so that I ordered a suppressor, & an optics riser (like you've got), along with a rail cover for cheek comfort. ...The only thing I'm doing different (other than suppressing it), is that I'm adding a "SightMark LoPro Mini Laser/Light Combo" under the barrel where the M-Lok is (I got a Picatinny adapter). I know it's kind of a bulky laser/light combo, but I thought maybe I could use it as an under-barrel hand grip; instead of your barrel-shroud upper grip. Anyways, it's just $150, so if it is too heavy, or just doesn't feel ergonomic at all, then I'll use your grip. I don't own any firearms, so the CP33 will be my first, & I'm going all out, balls to the wall, buy once cry once (because I've been researching this for 1 year & 5 months, & I'm too deep into it now to stop). Any advice on suppressed ammo is welcome, or ANY advice really. Because other than watching a ridiculous amount of YT videos, I have very little actual hands-on firearm experience. ...Also, what's your opinion of mounting the "Vortex Razor AMG UH-1 Gen II Holographic Sight" on it, yeah that big boy; is that just dumb of me to get (I want a humongous sight picture).
@@ericbergfield6451 I’ve not seen good things from Sightmark. for $150, I’d recommend a streamlight tlr1 HL. The vortex is fine. Heavy. Will do what you want it to. I’d recommend standard velocity 40gr ammo for suppressed loads. They are just barely subsonic through this gun. Best all around for balance of quiet/Penetration/cost/precision.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Well, I bought the wrong height riser mount, I got a co-witness by mistake, as it was just $65 and all the pictures looked the same. Guess I should've read the descriptions better, but hey I learned what coW/1third/1.53/2.26" risers mean now :P Can you recommend a riser this high with Picatinny on top, as I want to use the Vortex Razor AMG UH-1 Gen II, instead of a tiny pistol red dot.
Only problem is this only works if you have a working right eye. Most guns are that way, and it sucks. If there was a way I could do with my CP33 what I did with my Hellion and CX4 and switch ejection, I would only ever run it like you do. I'm jealous of all of you who have two working eyes.
There’s no way I could run a 22 pistol in the traditional sense as fast or precise as I can run this. I could match the precision with a 22 rifle, but not speed. That signals to me that it’s largely shot form factor and technique.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I was wondering more about the difference with your support hand. I'm sold one the cheek weld for all the things. I just noticed the scorpion on your facebook page, but it still is twice the size of the cp33. Each one of the guns you mentioned has a 3+ inch penalty by not having the mag feed from the grip. I'm imagining a 320 or glock accessory that allows a fixed red dot, and cheek weld protection from the reciprocating slide.
Interesting concept, and, as always, backed up with evidence. Unfortunately I've promised myself I was going to Git Gud with my existing carry gun before I got another one...
Your unconventional methods are cool and make sense. You almost got me convinced to buy a recoil strap for birds head grip guns. I'm going to try to rig my own first. That product shouldnt cost over 20$.
I'd ask you to consider the amount of R&D costs OUTSIDE materials and manufacture. You are buying an American designed and manufactured product, a new technique for shooting that unlocks capability in a class of firearms not seen anywhere else in the industry, the thousands of rounds of live fire conducted to develop technique and product together and to ensure its reliability and viability, and access to continuously updated training material for that product. You are buying more than the widget.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 yeah I consider all that. They are probably sourceing the materials from china too, But when your getting 3$ of product and paying 40 dollars for research and development. I just a matter of time till someone else releases this product for 15$ shipped. I'd be happy to pay 20$ for everything that went into it. To each his own. And i very well may end up buying it at full price if i can't make it, cause I do want one.
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I really appreciate your willingness to think outside the box. Without seeming to cross the line into gun-kata, mall-ninja, impractical but neato-burrito looking stuff, I mean.
Thanks much! Some new things work. Some don’t. Failures are tuition I’m happy to pay.
Exactly. In the 1950s a pistol was a one handed weapon. In the 60s that started to change because of outside the box thinkers like Jeff Cooper. This is how things evolve and improve.
a tactical 22 of questionable quality and reliability is absolutely mall ninja. its as mall ninja as it gets. Lets all admit we just enjoy larping?
So interesting you're like a fish with feet evolving and demonstrating your conceptual and actual developments. We'll done
Love the outside the box thinking. Interesting concept, would be fun to give it a try.
I’ve done it with 9mm and 12ga. Not caliber specific
One thing you didn't seem to touch on, but seems to be a benefit of this as well is the retention. It's already well-retained, especially compared to something like your shorty AR, so it would be harder for someone to get hold of it in basically any self-defense scenario, at home or otherwise. That, and you're not sacrificing anything like you would trying to use a regular pistol, AR, etc.
you know, or that strap is used to point the gun at your chin in a manner your human kinematics make it absolutely impossible to defend against your own weapon being used against you. but forget all that. rimfire self defense! because my life aint worth shit!
You have made a convincing argument for this gun so i went out and bought one set it up like yours it is unreal so one week into it i bought another one same setup again its my new do all gun just use good ammo and it runs great thanks for the vids and all the great info
Was thinking of writing a story where a retired spec ops vet is hired to sneak into some gang compound and rescue a kid, Metal Gear Solid style. Originally I was thinking of some small suppressed MP5 variant, but this seems like it may be way better for that scenario. Smaller, better for close quarters, still has a lot of rounds.
You might have just created the ultimate "trailer park and apartment yuppie" bump in the night gun and PDW for the reasons you outlined.
22lr might not have the inherit velocity with larger rifle or pistol calibers but with the speed and accuracy you can achieve for that first shot can throw that argument out the window.
Compact fire position, high capacity platform, fast sighting and low recoil/concussion even in enclosed spaces.
Aces all the way for 99% of real world threats a civilian would possibly face.
Bam. Exactly my thoughts. Thanks!
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I'd take it a step further and argue this has the potential to be the next best vehicle defense gun.
One hand steering and the other already cheating the draw/ and or already having it up and presented to the threat (not advisable in all but very few scenarios).
A compact light/laser combo would bring this to that next level by allowing you to focus on navigating away from danger but still being able to react defensively by using the laser as your aiming reference .
While I don't advocate supporting Chinese manufacturing the Olight Baldr Mini is the only one that can possibly fit the form factor for this gun.
Bonus for its QD magnetic charging cable allowing for bedside/car usb port charging without requiring it to be deliberately unplugged.
Only possinle con that would need to be tested is how 22lr would start to behave if you had to shoot through windshield glass or if laser aiming is affected by refraction.
As for .22LR, I would much rather fire 5-6 shots accurately in the time it would take for me to get 2 rounds of .45 or 9mm. I hope people will start taking this round more seriously. I don’t see the need for single round stopping power. Mathematically, it’s a lower probability situation of hitting a lethal shot if you are relegating yourself to 1 (or maybe 2 rounds).
I think most people would GTFO if they got shot by a single round of .22LR anyway. And if you can pull off 5-6 rounds they might not be running at all.
Also I’m sure if fired indoors it’s loud enough to confuse anyone besides an enthusiast as to which caliber it is. Not that they’d have much time to ponder that as they now suddenly feel 12 burning pin pricks center mass.
I've watched a lot of your cheek pistol videos and I think you've just about sold me on trying your CP33 setup. I dig outside of the box thinking and that's definitely what you've been doing. Not just with the cheek pistol, but with everything on your channel. Super cool stuff! 🙏
Really love the info provided regarding this particular caliber and kel-tec system.
Funny thing is my 22/45 Lite is my go to duty pistol, do to the fact that it is very lite and hits small groups very well and is well balanced.
Bought a CP33 for myself not long ago, along with a Holosun 503CU- GR, and have begun working with it in this cheek pistol style. Had a rough start with it getting the magazines loaded right but the speed loader Kel Tec sells is a life saver in that regard. Still not great with some ammo but with most any 40 grn solids it is very reliable. Stupid simple to get rapid x ring hits within 20 yrds and lots of fun. Thanks for the work you have put into this concept and sharing it, looking forward to more of your thoughts on this firearm and it's application.
Wow, super interested. I tried to build something like this 15 years ago on 10/22 charger platform, but it was a bit long and heavy, and I was trying to grip it like a macro pistol, just didn't work. Tried again with 22/45 and push out method, and was too small. Sad to say at the time I wrote off .22 sold the rugers and 1000s of rounds of ammo. I think this keltec, at it's "in between" sizing, clever optics mount, and your innovative way to grip it, is really groundbreaking. It's like bullets coming out of your eyeballs, seems a very intuitive platform. It is interesting the aiming comes so natural, without the pointing arm strait forward method that is so popular today.
Ok Rhett, This is working out VERY WELL with my CP33!!! CP33 now stands for Cheek Pistol 33! I'm also better with this arrangement than my AR or any pistol. Pretty sick. People laugh, giggle and snicker until they try it. Then its a look of bewilderment, then a smile.
I’m beyond happy I found this video. Instant subscriber. Just left the bang bang shop with a Sig Romeo 5 and a riser. Put a camera strap on it and wow is all I can say. I’m in love!!! Thanks so much for the best hook up ever!!!!
Just getting into 3D printing of gun stocks and receivers. Thinking I will build this layout using the Ruger 10/22 components and cut the barrel down to pistol length. Yes, I'm cheap and enjoy the DIY aspect.
Innovative use of an innovative pistol. Now on my list to experiment with Ambi optimal use of cover.
There is no easier way to shoot a gun WHO/SHO. It is the most intuitive off-eye technique/setup I’ve ever run.
I bought one 3 months ago. Added 3d parts from Bolagan sports. Added a ghost viper red/green dot on a 45 offset rail caps and a 5" M16/GAU muzzle brake. Took it too the range and shoot it with 1/3" groups.
We see a hand full of chassis to drop a Glock into to make a bullpup, etc, But someone needs to make a "drop in" Cheek Chassis. That is VERY doable.
That's basically the technique we experimented with for metallic silhouette matches in the 1990s, mostly with airguns and .22 rimfire, when the rules didn't specifically prohibit unconventional handgun hold techniques.
Unfortunately rule changes caused us to abandon some techniques that are useful for practical and defensive shooting scenarios.
I'll never shoot the gun in this manner, but you have definitely made it work for you. and thats all that matters.
I have to go derpy brace because I'm lefty but I love the setup you got there
You appeal to my logic. I cannot help but be convinced.
Great content! Bought the gun because of your videos. Trying to master the cheek style now. Will use it in competition next season.
Would like to see training tips for this combination on cheek utilization. My son sent me this video and liked the result so I'm now subbed. Thx for thinking outside the box as another posted. Keeping it real and righteous.
You may wonder why you aren't taking off on youtube. Well, I believe it is because you can do what most of us can never hope to achieve. Great channel. Just, not attainable for the masses.
I believe that is the perception. From what I see in my students, it is not reality.
I have been working with this concept. I am purchasing the cheek rest from trung the maker. I think having my ear behind ejection port much more pleasurable. Great concept as it adds versitility to this weapon
How is that going with the cheek piece? Is it worth the money? Does it help that much?
@@miniapplesun it keeps your face further back of injection port. It works well but you still get some residue in your eyes. I like it because your face is not getting irritated by the rail. However the charging handle still aggravates me. I have tried rail protectors but they tend to pop off.
I am going to make a rail protector shell deflector combo out of kydex. This will hopefully keep residue out if face, direct port pop away from ear and provide a mor comfortable place for face to rest. Is the tryng cheek piece ok yes. I would try the shell deflector offeres by demonstrative concepts first. For me i want to make one of my own. Hope this helps.
@@silverback3926 Thanks, just ordered one from PSA. What muzzle device are you using? I have a bcm break/hider from an AR, would that work?
@@miniapplesun no muzzle device as of yet. Let me know how youra works out
Greetings from across the pond. Nice technique, well thought out, in a concise process 👍👍👍
This looks really awesome. Although being a left handed shooter I don’t think cheek weld would work out too well.
This is the direct utilization of "Grip Clamp C" tm.
😂😂😂. Love those guys. Don’t tell Jerry that they stole his technique. 🤣
There's something very Keltec about the fact that a novel (but clearly innovative and functional) technique has to be developed to make one of their product go from "Why would you ever buy this?" to "This is the only thing to buy for this use case"..
These videos are GREAT! Makes me want to sign up for your class and clone your rifle. Can't wait to see you mate.
Thanks much! Always great to get range time in with like minded folks. Hope to see you on the range!
This concept could potentially be applied with a lot of the old school grip fed smg type pistols out there.
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You mad lad this is fantastic
Very cool man I'm looking into 22's & a lot of your vids are great this is really amazing thanks! I want one now. Have used a lot of info from your vids to reccomend stuff to my Bro
Very neat and interesting set up! I never thought of firing the CP33 like that. I'm going the SBR route and putting a stock/handgrip on it when my form 1 comes back.
It's crazy to witness innovation in action like this. I love it!
Always could add a magnifier too for hunting. A 3x is likely plenty for clarity out to 50 and is still low power enough that peripheral vision isn't going to be much disturbed. I've been mulling over some kind of .22 setup for hunting and what you present is the most compelling I've seen yet. Definitely going to experiment with the idea.
how would you think about adding a magnifer on this with the cheek pistol configuration?
Scalarworks Leap 1.93 Mount
Holosun 403b
Tandemkross Game Changer Pro Brake
Single point sling /homemade custom work
and what appears to be soft gel rail covers
Sent to five of my friends....I love mine and going to the range to cheek shoot tomorrow, Monday.
Excellent! I'll be posting refinement and technique updates soon.
Safe shooting!
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I am sure the cheek weld would be perfect on my Kel-Tec plr-16.
Funny how we get set in our ways and never even think of what you have shone
thanks for putting your insights out there brother, greatly appreciated. I'm drawn to the logic behind your methodology.
Appreciate the work you do in sharing the methods you've developed. How would you utilize a hand light or weapon light (if mounting a light is possible) with this setup?
+17 adapter...superiority of fire
I feel like these videos are becoming more interesting/important given the new ATF brace rule.
How did you get a piece of paracord through those tiny little eyelets?
Thank you
I wanna see John Wick do the cheeky pistol dilly doo in the next one.
Great concept and video. What advantages would this setup on a CP33 have over using the same setup on a Ruger Charger in 9mm or .22lr?
Biggest issues are double the size and weight. This would be an issue for some shooters. When considering that those guns are also balanced much further forward of the grip, many would find it uncomfortable to hold one handed in the cheeked position.
Interesting content! But I got to say it "grip clamp c" ( hope you seen that video).
Ha! Yeah... except Jerry set a world record with that grip 6 years ago.
Still trying to find a platform I can use this concept with. Complications: I live in CA, and I’m left handed and left eye dominant. Please no replies about moving, I’ve heard them all before.
If you had a choice of caliber for a gun like this would you stick to .22lr or would you go bigger? Is there a caliber out there that you think would be better in a cheek pistol or are you content with the performance of the .22? I know you experimented with the B&t TP9 as well. If you could have the 9mm capability of the TP9 in the form factor of the CP33 would you take that over a .22? I know going up to 9mm would add weight and reduced capacity. Would it be worth it in your opinion?
The problem with .22lr pistols isn’t that the pistols aren’t reliable is that 22lr ammunition isn’t reliable
Yoga attached the sling and some form of pad a riser and some form of sight or dot. What do you use?
What about the Keltec p-50?
Man, I want to put one of those Zenitco Perst IR setups on an extended mount just to be ridiculous.
I’m in the same boat with mine it is magic
Yes, interesting video. You can't find this anywhere else.
Question. Why did you pick a compensator over a blast can.
Compensator adds controllability on top of taming muzzle flash. On 556 they are obnoxious. On 22 they are pleasant.
What about ammo attributable failures?
Why not use the sling instead of just the cheek weld?
A third point of hard contact marrying the eye to the gun is far more beneficial than floating a gun on sling tension alone. Sling doesn’t provide the repeatable index that cheek does.
You can use sling tension while cheeking.
It makes me wonder if a Mech Tech upper w/a Glock lower wouldn't give you a slightly bigger gun but more variety in caliber ? Do you feel 22LR is the largest caliber you would want that close to your face ?
step 1: keltec make the gun in 22 wmr
step 2: FN makes similar gun in 5.7 for ridiculous amount of money
step 3: Ruger makes similar gun to FN for reasonable amount of money.
Let's just skip to Ruger making one with the 57 mags.
absolutely brilliant approach - what kind of rail cover is that? also any updates? curious about running a light w the grip config
Update coming soon. Thanks for watching!
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 im going to be checking daily... just replicated the setup but w a romeo5 up top and a different side-discharging brake... im hunting for a rear qd sling adapter shown on truth about gun review - cant find in the wild vs the hallowed out paracord. also been running lcp2 22lr, lcr22, lcrx22, P17, and a custom 856 UL CH 9mm conversion as daily carry... craving more 22lr as primary vids!!!!
Kel Tec P50 would work great in this application
Have you experimented with a laser...probably not as good as a dot for hunting, but would reduce footprint at the muzzle.
I’m a big fan of visible lasers, but I’ve never found them effective enough for use as a primary sighting system. Passive single focal plane optics (red dots and low powered optics) slaved to the eye should theoretically always be faster and easier to acquire in any environment where aligning the gun with eye is possible, which is MOST environments. Still, lasers dominate any time this is not possible.
Great concept. Both wife and I got these jems in feb21’. Love them! You can tear out centers of targets at 15 yards all day long with the OEM irons BUT your set up is awesome! What sling and cord are you using? Link??? Thanks!!!
Sling is in the works. More to come.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 #patientlywaiting 👊🏼💯
I'm convinced
Have you tried this cheek weld hold with an AK platform style pistol? IE. a Draco?
What if i don't know any of those people either?
So what about the Keltec P-50? It looks like that would be good
Could anyone explain to me how to remove the front sight? I removed the screw but it would not come off. Thank you in advance
Remove the screw, pop it off. Likely a drop of loctite has glued it in place.
I'm sold.
Awesome!
Any thoughts on using this technique with Kel-Tec's new P50?
Can’t see why it wouldn’t work.
Bad idea because the P50 shells come out the top of the pistol. Would be extremely painful!
What height is the mount?
Thoughts on a B&T GHM9 Compact?
Works. Pricey and heavy for what it is.
Try it with a telescoping bolt 9 mm?
Using your setup with a suppressor, how bad would the CP33's blow back be in your face?
I've shot this suppressed quite a bit. I find it no worse than a suppressed AR. It's a non-issue for me.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I'm really impressed with your out of the box thinking - so much so that I ordered a suppressor, & an optics riser (like you've got), along with a rail cover for cheek comfort. ...The only thing I'm doing different (other than suppressing it), is that I'm adding a "SightMark LoPro Mini Laser/Light Combo" under the barrel where the M-Lok is (I got a Picatinny adapter). I know it's kind of a bulky laser/light combo, but I thought maybe I could use it as an under-barrel hand grip; instead of your barrel-shroud upper grip. Anyways, it's just $150, so if it is too heavy, or just doesn't feel ergonomic at all, then I'll use your grip. I don't own any firearms, so the CP33 will be my first, & I'm going all out, balls to the wall, buy once cry once (because I've been researching this for 1 year & 5 months, & I'm too deep into it now to stop).
Any advice on suppressed ammo is welcome, or ANY advice really. Because other than watching a ridiculous amount of YT videos, I have very little actual hands-on firearm experience. ...Also, what's your opinion of mounting the "Vortex Razor AMG UH-1 Gen II Holographic Sight" on it, yeah that big boy; is that just dumb of me to get (I want a humongous sight picture).
@@ericbergfield6451 I’ve not seen good things from Sightmark. for $150, I’d recommend a streamlight tlr1 HL. The vortex is fine. Heavy. Will do what you want it to. I’d recommend standard velocity 40gr ammo for suppressed loads. They are just barely subsonic through this gun. Best all around for balance of quiet/Penetration/cost/precision.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Well, I bought the wrong height riser mount, I got a co-witness by mistake, as it was just $65 and all the pictures looked the same. Guess I should've read the descriptions better, but hey I learned what coW/1third/1.53/2.26" risers mean now :P Can you recommend a riser this high with Picatinny on top, as I want to use the Vortex Razor AMG UH-1 Gen II, instead of a tiny pistol red dot.
@@ericbergfield6451 that optic isn’t typically used with any riser. It is a big boy. I’m guessing any more than .5” riser would be too much.
Any experienced with left handed shooters using this gun? Specifically a cheek weld.
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not seeing that brake anywhere
Only problem is this only works if you have a working right eye. Most guns are that way, and it sucks. If there was a way I could do with my CP33 what I did with my Hellion and CX4 and switch ejection, I would only ever run it like you do. I'm jealous of all of you who have two working eyes.
I have to try this
How much of the shootability is 22 derived vs how you are able to hold the pistol?
There’s no way I could run a 22 pistol in the traditional sense as fast or precise as I can run this. I could match the precision with a 22 rifle, but not speed. That signals to me that it’s largely shot form factor and technique.
What 9mm could you run like this?
@@joeld008 Scorpion, MP5, MCX, AK9, AR9. Keep in mind, I run 12ga shotguns like this...
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I was wondering more about the difference with your support hand. I'm sold one the cheek weld for all the things. I just noticed the scorpion on your facebook page, but it still is twice the size of the cp33.
Each one of the guns you mentioned has a 3+ inch penalty by not having the mag feed from the grip. I'm imagining a 320 or glock accessory that allows a fixed red dot, and cheek weld protection from the reciprocating slide.
@@joeld008 Working on it.
If only the mpa mini mac chambered in 57 didnt weigh 8lbs
I’m convinced. I’m gonna buy one.
It does not work for lefted handed does it
That depends on how you feel about hot brass being ejected directly into your mouth...
I wish I could get you out in SC for some classes!
If you have a range to host me, and 8-16 interested folks, we can do that.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Cool! Do you have some more details on your website?
@@chadmccormick1412 Message me through the website and I can answer any questions you have. You’ll also find general class descriptions there.
Total price?
500$ for the gun in 2021, and at least 120$ on a budget red dot. Id recomened a hollosun or sig.
could this be done in 5.7?
B&T won't be pleased...you've made the USW obsolete already!
A stockless USW with a 1.93 height front mount optic would be excellent.
prettty cool.
Interesting concept, and, as always, backed up with evidence. Unfortunately I've promised myself I was going to Git Gud with my existing carry gun before I got another one...
My dad always told me that a promise is a lie you tell to your wife. Get the gun.
Just get. Brace. Done.
Try it wit a burris RT3
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Thanks!
Your unconventional methods are cool and make sense. You almost got me convinced to buy a recoil strap for birds head grip guns. I'm going to try to rig my own first. That product shouldnt cost over 20$.
I'd ask you to consider the amount of R&D costs OUTSIDE materials and manufacture. You are buying an American designed and manufactured product, a new technique for shooting that unlocks capability in a class of firearms not seen anywhere else in the industry, the thousands of rounds of live fire conducted to develop technique and product together and to ensure its reliability and viability, and access to continuously updated training material for that product. You are buying more than the widget.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 yeah I consider all that. They are probably sourceing the materials from china too, But when your getting 3$ of product and paying 40 dollars for research and development. I just a matter of time till someone else releases this product for 15$ shipped. I'd be happy to pay 20$ for everything that went into it. To each his own. And i very well may end up buying it at full price if i can't make it, cause I do want one.
I'm seeing the arguments about the recoil strap it is so innovative it is worth whatever I have to pay for it
Your optic placement is super newb,
Maybe watch the video