Keltec CP33 "Cheek Pistol" Accessories
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- The "Cheek Pistol" concept has become quite an interesting thing thanks to videos by @Demonstrated Concepts LLC and @Forgotten Weapons
I figured I'd throw my hat in the ring to design some accessories in order to make it easier and safer to use. And wouldn't you know it, the concept seems to work quite well!
Kel Tec is just eccentric enough they might want to run with the concept as an oem option.
Absolutely. I wish they'd embrace putting OEM brace options on their firearms, though. The CP33 and P50 are both pistols BEGGING for an OEM brace option, such as a rear mounted pic option for side folders. They've stated they lean on their fans to produce the options for braces/stocks should someone wana Form 1 the gun, but damn it sucks waiting for months while a third party prototypes something that usually ends up about 90% useable.
One of the big issues with that is that the CP33 and presumably the P50 (I haven't checked the weight/length figures on that one) would both be banned outright from having a brace under the proposed brace rule change, so they don't want to spend time and money developing an accessory in-house that will likely be banned in the coming weeks when the rule change takes effect.
@@booliganshootingsports I really don't see the brace ban ever happening. It's even less popular than the bump stock ban, and even that's looking like it could be overturned. Hopefully attitudes change for manufacturers in the coming months as the legislation plays out. Additionally, a simple pic rail would suffice for those of us who want to pursue a Form 1 and sbr them.
@@Arcahnslight There's literally zero indication that it's not going into effect before the end of the year. It'll be trimmed down from the initial proposal, sure, but I'd but hard money down right now on it taking effect more or less as written. Popularity doesn't matter, there were a lot of comments on it, sure, but at least half of those were bot comments from Everytown and Mothers Demand supporting it. It's not a popularity vote, they're going to put SOMETHING into effect, which is obviously super unfortunate, but the reality of that rule change process.
@@booliganshootingsports Agreed, a brace ban of some kind IS coming.
However, KelTec didn't know that when they released the CP-33 and P50. They really, really should have made these pistols more friendly for braces and stocks. They could have done it for a very small additional cost compared to relying on the aftermarket.
Likewise, factory threaded models are slightly more expensive than non-threaded versions, but significantly cheaper than sending a barrel to a gunsmith. The S&H to a gunsmith usually costs as much as the upcharge for a factory threaded barrel.
I am looking forward to seeing what Demonstrated Concepts LLC thinks about these parts!
This gives a whole new meaning to the phrase Make It Clap
Might be worth extending a bit over/behind the ejection port to help minimize the amount of gas you get in the face after slapping on a suppressor. I like the little sling loop at the back, but now you've got me wondering how well one of Magpul's QD sling mount kits epoxied into a little pocket at the back would work.
The demonstrated concepts guy has this part, and a brass bag that goes on it
Just had my parts printed & am loving your improvements.
Thank you Booligan!
Just for fun could you design a Mini-G36ish style carry-handle/riser that you keep your support hand instead of a handstop? It would look super space gat. Great work as always!
@Young and Tactical but muh dik would be
That would be sick haha
This is a weird, but genuinely intriguing concept. Any plans to expand it over to the Kel-Tec P-50 as well?
That is a gun in desperate need of a 3rd point of contact.
It would shoot brass up your nose
I had the same idea...until I realized that it ejects the brass up the top u_u
Super creative. Great concept. Hope to see a finalized version available for sale soon. Keep up the wonderful ideas, brother.
Today I installed all the parts I bought for my CP-33. The cheek riser, hand stop. a 45 offset with a ghost viper tactical red/green dot sight. And a quick detach sling and rail covers. This offset gives me a better cheek weld. I also installed a GAU muzzle brake. Can't wait to take it to the range. It rides well and is well balanced in hand, and points well too.
Cool! I've been looking into this kinda thing myself. I'm working on a rear QD sling mount that attaches to the small loops at the back of the CP33. I've got the design almost finalized if you're interested.
Dude, i love how you understand that its a HOBBY!!! and try different fun things, everyone takes gun building so dam seriously. Its something to have fun with at the range or ranch. An adult bb gun
Wow! I've been thinking about something similar since I saw that Forgotten Weapons video. What if you made a kind of M16 style 'handle' between the hand stop and the optics mount? Would make retention even stronger in a CQB setting. You could also possibly do back-up sights through the verticals? Very nicely done. Hope you'll keep developing this here.
Took my CP33 to the range 2 weeks ago. Shot 275 rnds through it. First 10 to sight in the red dot. The rest made 1/2" raggit holes at 15 yards. The time I was at the range, I had a few people ask about my pistol. Even the range guys looked it over. With this setup I shot a 3/4" offhand, 25 rnds in 30 seconds. Range rules. Not to bad for an old man of 65. This set-up would work for disabled vets wanting to hunt or shot targets.
🤣 cheek clapper I like it 👍🏻
I was absolutely blown away when I first saw this concept, I hope it catches on
Nice work and I like the idea. Basically a one piece add on. Lucky Gunner did a good video on the concept recently too.
Looking forward to range video. I was intrigued by Ian's vid.
I use a maresleg as a cheek pistol, great idea been doing it a while glad someone else uses this same concept
Bit cheeky innit?
I use my CP33 for competition. It's a great gun. Always wondered about how I could shoot like this. Do you sell this part?
im getting heavy Forgotten Weapons vibes from your style of speech. subscribed!
Autists
Instead of clamping the barrel, you could grab your hand under it. This could remove the extra cheek rest by placing the sight further away
very cool...I'm going to try my hand at creating a cheek pistol glock frame, we'll see how that goes
Looked at you work 😊 loved all this stuff i am 72 but will be 12 on my next birthday
I love it! That's awesome
Printed and installed. Just have to get to the range. Also... I could not find the right length screws so I used some chrome screws and nuts... had to file the nut to fit in the back cheek rest part. I've been looking for a 3d print charging adapter fso I don;t jneed to pinch to charge.
Two questions:
1. How's the reliability been on your CP33? I love the concept but hear very mixed things about KelTec's quality control.
2. Do you think you could do something similar for a 9mm, perhaps something like an extended Six Second Mount for a Glock that could engage the beavertail? The only factory pistol like this in 9mm is the B&T TP9 and I don't have 2 grand to spare.
Anybody got a Claridge Hi-Tec? That fits the bill
I bet Booligan could easily make a cheek pistol version of the Mac Daddy.
I saw a video where they used a roni (?) mount for a glock cheek pistol setup. No brace or stock on the back.
I think the cheek weld pistol concept would work well with the Kel TEC P50
I built my CP33 with the cheek weld, it was alright, the barrel gets pretty warm after a hundred+ shots, which got kinda uncomfortable. It was pretty fun, but I devolved it back into a typical pistol layout.
22LR recoil in the cheek sounds reasonable.
Anything bigger would be too much for my cheeks.
Its fine w ar. It recoils linearly, doest pivoy up and hit ur cheek
I seen that method on! Yes forgotten weapons!!
I'm curious about the gun and uncertain about the technique but the "cheek clapper" is all it took to get a thumbs up from me!
Brilliant!
20 years from now after everything else is banned, they'll come for the cheek slapper too....love the idea, I think its innovative and awesome
There's always non compliance
I would have to see you try to design a stock for the new keltec in 5.7mm ,would be a larger headache for stock fitting. Love that we both watch forgotten weapons
Saw this on Forgotten Weapons!
Seems like a "cheek clapper MAC" would be a pretty cool idea...
I got the 50 round mag extensions for mine and kept having failure to feed's within the first 10 rounds or so of each mag. The cartridges would tilt up up while being stripped from the mag and bind diagonally with the nose above the breech, any ideas?
I would like to see a channel cut out in the front and rear portions to allow the sights to remain in place.
Looks cool & also like it's fun to shoot
Inb4 the atf puts up a pistol cheek rest ban tomorrow for review lol
Thankfully, they have NO basis in the law for such a ban. They can "reinterpret" a brace into a stock, but it's a much harder leap to banning a cheekrest, sauce there's no law against cheeking a gun.
What a stupid hype! The VERY last thing I want is ejection port right below my eye!
I'd like to see a video made of your doing a slide show or some of your interesting modified guns and you doing a quick voice over talking about them. Maybe do like 10 at a time.
Cheek clapper for clappin dem cheeks.
Inb4 the AFT regulates cheeks. 'Your jowls are too big sir. I'm afraid I'll have to confiscate them'
Its the next StarWars blaster :)
It's the lock pick lawyer
jesus i need one
Psa AK 9mm might be able to fit in the same box
Toss a can on this and a binary trigger (they should come stock on these pistols) and you would have something a lot more fun and useful.
I saw that FWs video too and wanted one of those since
This idea makes me think of a bullpup pistol
Cutting edge, the cheek clapper. If only it was in a service cartridge to be combat viable.
Im sure for self defense 50 rounds of very rapid and accurate .22 aren gonna take care of whatever problems you have.
I noticed in one of you vids you had a high point bull pup stock in the background, whats your plan with that? Can you do a vid on it and what accessories you have?
A high tower armory frame
This may be a stupid suggestion, but I love the (idea) of the 22 zip gun, the actual way it was produced was terrible, I wonder if you could 3D print a bullpup style 22 that takes 10/22 mags, but maintain the very small size of the zip. The charging handle would have to be changed somehow and I have an idea on that but i think if you could do that it would be very impressive
Adding a shell deflector would be nice and maybe make it useable left handed?
My beta files have an optional shell deflector built in.
When you say "permitted" I think you mean "not forbidden". Nothing is actually permitted. Some things are forbidden and everything else is not forbidden.
forboten
I wonder if you could print a p320 cheek pistol frame???
Idea: ironsights version of this that extends the front hand stop up another inch and a bit to the left, plus a ridiculous rear aperture mounted on a post lookin like the eiffel tower
You can get flip up front and rear sight. The rear aperture needs to be real small, like a target size, maybe around .050'', since your eye socket will be wedged right into it
Oh neato
So question,
Why not use a bigger caliber like the 9mm from a TP9? is there a fundamental issue to it?
Because the TP9 is a bad gun with a worse trigger and a price tag 4-5x what this costs.
Most 9mms have to much recoil. A TP9 style gun with better trigger and more budget friendly would be a great option.
@@hotrodglock i guess what i am waiting on for this whole cheek pistol concept is a .22 magnum for that extra """"stopping power""" wish kel made a version of this with 22mag
@@darkninja225 I totally get your line of thinking. A 7.5” barreled CMR pistol would probably fill this role very well if Kel Tec would make a run of them. In some of Rhett’s other videos he talks about chasing terminal performance vs economics and how much more you can practice with a 22lr. As long as we have the reliability with good ammo, the CP33 fills many roles. With 33-50 rounds on board, there is a LOT of opportunity for hits.
You should get ahold of lucky gunner, they just put out a video on this concept too
do you think this would be possible with a vz61?
I like the hand stop idea, but couldn’t you just use a factory hand stop flipped upside down as you stated. I feel the cheek rest portion extends the platform unnecessarily and inhibits charging as you demonstrated. I’m not by any means bashing your concepts, just trying to give some feedback.
Sure, you could, but this is custom fit for this specific gun. The reason why the rear portion is extended is so that it's actually comfortable to shoot without your face crammed up against the sight/frame/etc. It's also to allow for a brass deflector on my V2 file which I released for left handed shooting. And it doesn't inhibit charging at all compared to the factory gun.
any news or progress on the cheek rest? can it be 3D printed? even the Bata design?
It’s been released in beta on my subscription website for weeks.
Too slick
Waiting for the live fire test!
love this project! one thing I noticed with my cp33 was that the frame basically is just a housing for the trigger group and magazine. do you think you could try printing a frame that has a rear pic rail section for normal braces?
There are add-on printable rear pic sections available all over the place. I am avoiding going that route since braces on small pistols like the CP33 will become a felony with the proposed brace rule change.
The lower is the serialized firearm.
How have you not named this the Cheekie Breekie?
Man the ATF got us doing weird things to our guns 😟
The AFT has determined this is a machine gun 🚫🔫
Very interesting but Not for Me! I just ordered a Rev Arms Picatinny adapter along with a SB Tactical FS1913 Folding Brace! I also ordered the LUDEX Speed loader for those 33 round magazines. I'm good to go with this set up and I can't wait to take it to my LGR! NO CHEEK FOR ME!
The big reason I went cheek pistol with this was to future proof this build, as pistol braces on CP33s will be illegal if the proposed brace rule change gets finalized as written. Wanted to design some future-proof options for people.
Would be cool if you turned it into a Judge Dredd Lawgiver
So while Kel tec is great for pushing new ideas, I would love to see a set of these accessories set up for the TP9, which I feel is a much better platform for this concept in a serious manner.
How do I purchase?
I have to wonder if there is some sort of way to perhaps 3D print parts to convert a conventional blowback pistol to a cheek pistol?
People are working on Glock pattern designs currently.
@@booliganshootingsports a P320 version may also be a viable option
Get a MP-57 like mine. But order yours as a lefty model. Then have the power of 5.7mm. Works great with this method. It's smaller too I think.
Can u get mp57 in the US? They make lefty version??!
From hk??
@@johnanon658 no. Hk makes the "mp7".. in 4.6mm. My MP-57 shoots 5.7. Sadly tho CSM quit making the MP-57 chassis.
@@hughgrection3052 okay, thx
@@johnanon658 search around tho. You may be able to find a MP-57 chassis for sale on the used market. You'll have to also buy a Ruger 57 to put into it tho. Luckily they now have a option that's close to what ya want from the factory now tho. Ruger just released the 57 LC carbine. It's a whole 16 inch rifle and still very small. I can't wait till they sell a shorter pistol version of it. But it's kind of the same as a MP-57 just longer.
MCarbo might make this.
Link for product?
Can I buy one?
Hehe heh Ian better see this video
Face brace. Yes.
Definitely something I want to try on my CP33. If you need another Beta tester, you have my email.
So basically it’s a pistol with a non detachable or intergraded face stock 🤣
Can u put a small folding pistol brace on it
Sure, there are options for that. But the whole point of this setup is to not use a brace considering braces on CP33s will be banned when/if the new brace regulations take effect.
@@booliganshootingsports dang regulations... still I think it's a cool design
Cheek clapper😆
Stocks and braces make cheek pistol concept stupid outside of some need for it to be more compact without side folding stocks or braces. Just this guy’s opinion
Sure, but tax stamps and brace regulations mean alternative options should be created.
Height over bore gun
Where can I find these parts?
All of my completed files are on Booligancustomgunworks
@@booliganshootingsports aw dang I need to get a 3D printer… maybe this Black Friday. These look a lot cleaner than the other set on etsy
grab a bucket and a mop
Have you posted the files?
Yep, they’ve been released.
@@booliganshootingsports Paywall only?
No, my files are all released publicly for free when they’re completed on Booligancustomgunworks
What size ammo does it take? I'm going to make an assumption and say 40
.22 lr
I wonder how ATF will try to quash this? Classify your cheeks as "assault cheeks"?
Will have a hard time trying to make this a sbr violation based on the text of the statute
Points I want to make.
1. You are not 2 12 year olds with hair glued to your face. Why? You are not a muscle bound roid ridden fake pale skinned hulk. You are a normal looking, dad bod, normie. Be the normal looking dad.
2. I am listening for the context. Not who you claim to be. My first impression is that the weapon is trying to be respectful of the ATF. Which is bullshit. The community seams like they are anti that.
3.Regardless of those two points. Your ideas are well thought out. I really feel that you have something, even if it is so outside of the box.
This is the only post you will see from me.
No one respects the atf, jus dont want to be sent to prison. But this cheek pistol concept js NOT a work around regarding the nfa, it is a wholly different method that is superior to shouldering the weapon in some contexts
Shoot it!
Id like to buy 🥺
But, can it hold glock mags?
Hmmm
You should integrate sights into the cheek rest/finger stop
Your volume is way too low and you lack the professional working knowledge of the pistols you are representing.
Would 22 stand up to an all hell breaks loose situation
It’s definitely a functional round in many situations. Just not ideal.