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Salinas v. Texas- bit.ly/31nyXF9
Berkemer v. McCarty- bit.ly/3gcm7B9
United States v. Arvizu- bit.ly/3yCZL3j
Alabama v. White- bit.ly/3vTiAOX
Fla. Stat. § 784.048- bit.ly/3vPwdPf
Stalking Jury Instructions- bit.ly/3beQsMN
Fla. Stat. § 493.6101- bit.ly/2ZuvCqv
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The fact she knew he was there the entire time tells you how good of a private investigator he is lol
that's what I was thinking, no much of a PI if your subject IDs you and then hems you up by calling the cops.
This PI sucks at his job
I seen this video on another channel and apparently this was like the second or third investigator that got caught by her lol.
If he's working for the Church of Scientology, it might be intentional. They sometimes favor what's known as as "noisy investigation," where the subject, and all their neighbors and relatives, know that they are being investigated. It's an intimidation tactic.
I take it none of you has ever had counter surveillance training. The one of the only ways to avoid detection by someone who is paying attention to their surroundings is teams of follow cars that switch off periodically. Otherwise just making a few left or right turns will allow the subject to make a following vehicle.
“Am I being suspected of a crime?”
“Yes. Stalking.”
👀
surprised it took the cops so long to actually say it, and they even backtrack it multiple times and even said "No, I do not have RAS of a crime" That line alone shoots them in the foot, because by their own admission, they don't, therefore they can not testify they do (even though they 100% do)
@@LegDayLas I'm pretty sure cops are allowed to lie to suspects during investigations and interrogations (undercover cops need to be able to for example).
So, how would them telling the supect they did not have RAS prevent them from testifying that they did have RAS (which, as you say, they did)?
Witness: "I was lying to the suspect your honour"
Judge: "Fair enough"
@@CommissionerSleer Because that "lie" hurts their chances to get his ID, and forcing him to provide ID after telling him they have no RAS means a reasonable person would assume the cops do not have RAS, and thus ID is not required.
Basically, it is coercion to tell him he is not detained, but also make lawful demands (aka under threat of arrest).
@@LegDayLas It's not coercion. It's just stupid. But it doesn't prevent them telling a court that they did have RAS, which is the point.
@@CommissionerSleer If a cop tells you something is not a crime, you do it, and the cop arrests you that is factually coercion.
The line between legal surveillance and stalking is so fine, it's insane that it is allowed at all.
At first sounds reasonable. It's a method to investigate someone with reasonable suspicion of being a criminal without them knowing, the surprise factor could be a great tool. BUT, what if the investigator abuses his position and starts legitimately stalking someone for some nefarious reason? Stealing from them, or taking illegal pictures of them, etc.
@@JesusProtects I mean that's why you have a camera in your pocket as well, If you notice a stupid investigator like this film everything.
I was recently interviewed by a private investigator because my wife was getting a job that required a certain security clearance. During my interview he let me know that he had already interviewed all of my neighbors and watched the house. On one hand, I was OK because we have nothing to hide. On the other hand, I was a little disturbed because he could've had pictures of me in my backyard in my underwear. How is that legal?
There’s an explanation for that. It’s because they’re the same thing lol
The difference is that stalkers usually try to make contact and have malicious intent. But if you leave your home a lot of expectations to privacy can be kissed goodbye.
I love how ridiculous it is that remaining silent isn't enough to invoke my right to remain silent.
Why is it that ex-cops seem to know citizens' rights, but active cops rarely do? 🤔
Probably the reason they're ex-cops.
Good point
Because any decent officer who knows peoples rights abs stands up for them get pushed out of police work because fellow officers don’t like smart, educated and ethical officers in the force with them. Trust me…. I know….
Yeah, most police training in the US consists of learning defensive tactics and firearms training. As a generalization there is no formal training on law or the Constitution. Crazy, right?
Selection Bias.
People don't post videos of cops who treated them with respect.
The PI said exercising his rights doesn't mean he's giving them a hard time but then the officer said it does... Wow that explains a lot.....
They were clearly flustered didn't know how to handle the situation.
Yes the wording was shitty, but he’s being an asshole more than he’s exercising his rights
@@derpman8494 he deserves an award
@@derpman8494 cops got no right to pull you over unless you broken the law. Cop didn’t see anything and the lady’s complaint was hearsay. Id say he has the right to be an asshole
@@derpman8494 its not against the law to be a asshole he treated them far better then i would've
I nearly cried when he said “you don’t answer questions, you just stalk young ladies.”
Cop was petty
@@freshswagga100and correct in this case. Just because the guy knows his rights doesn't mean he isn't human garbage.
@@sinisterthoughts2896Is it innocent until proven guilty, or guilty until proven innocent? You have no proof that the man did anything. Just because she *SAID* that he did something doesn't mean that he did something. She's not automatically right just because she said so.
@@KingStr0ng so if your daughter was being followed by a middle aged man you would prefer the cops just let him go about his business he could have easily ended this by providing his card but he would rather make things much more difficult
@@xxx_epic_sniper_xxx2.021 Do you know what innocent until proven guilty means? Just because someone *says* a guy is stalking that does not mean that he's actually stalking.
People lie.
Would you like to be thrown in jail for theft or murder just because someone *said* you did it? If your answer is no, then you have no reason to argue further.
I mean, to be fair, this is the kind of report they should follow up. If that happen to my sister, my mom, or any of my love ones, I want them to do this. It's really hard to sympathize with the PI if what he did could even cause, law enforcement started to ignore these kind of reports.
Exactly!
@@ilkyway5854 idk if you both heard the “Private Investigator” part which it clearly states he could’ve been charged for stalking if he wasn’t a private investigator. He even brings up the code where it allows PI’s to basically stalk they’re subjects.
He just knew his rights, and stuck to them. Is that a first amendment audit now?
@@slow2.0turbo but he never said to the police that he is a PI. that’s the fucking point. police doesn’t know if he is a pi or a fucking stalker
@@rigdigwus agreed. The officer even said he'd be understanding if he was a PI, but the man refused to state as such.
"The fact that I am exercising my rights does not mean I am not cooperating"
"Yes it does" This is the problem with modern policing.
Not True.
@@peoplenewstoday How is my statement "not true"?
@@YourSavant your correct, the cops are not. Sorry about that.
@@peoplenewstoday Ah okay, no worries then.
@@YourSavant I don’t erase my mistakes. I just learn. Sorry about that.
"The fact that I'm exercising my rights does not mean I'm not cooperating, sir"
"Yes it does"
Well hat pretty much sums up the entire problem doesn't it?
If he uses his right to not cooperate, he is not cooperating. For his sentence to be right he should have said: "....does in a strictly legal sence and only regarding the required cooperation with a police investigation, not mean I'm not cooperating, sir." or "....does not under all definitions of cooperation mean I'm not cooperating, sir." But in his general use of the english languge his sentence is incorrect.
its like if a a bystander sees a man running off in a direction, then the cops ask the bystander "did you see anyone running away?" and the bystander refuses to speak or cooperate becauase hes not "legally required to". Then later we find that the guy who ran off got away with kidnapping. Just because its the guys right not to give information doesnt mean theyre not uncooperative/an asshole
@@AUTgriesbrei
but its not in general use, its applied in the specific context of constitutional law and interaction with LE.
I'm thinking maybe he wasn't getting paid for this, and to say, "I'm a PI and following her for my job," would have been a lie
@@r0ky_M It is in general use because there are at least two things going on: An Investigation and a meeting between a citizen and LE.
In the former context he is not cooperative because he isn't "someone who is being helpful" because he does not give any information.
In the later context he is cooperative because he is "someone who is being helpful" because he is staying where he is.
Therefore two contexts exist.
He certainly did a great job of knowing and asserting his rights, if only he was as good at surveillance, then encounter would have never happened.
He didn't know them though, the cops were in the right to get his ID. This was RAS of Stalking all day. Are the statements from the female alone enough to arrest him for Stalking? No, but this is irrelevant. Cops don't need PC (what is required to arrest) to demand ID, they need RAS which is a VERY low standard. Cop's didn't know his rights either, so they didn't actually go far enough.
haha
wow you think THATS the problem with what he's doing?
It’s so funny, but you’re 100% right
I could be wrong, because there’s no way to know completely, but I think his behavior stemmed from his ego and the fact he got made by a onlooking civilian
The other thing, though is he might’ve not been investigating and being one of those rights activist so he use the Maroge of a PI following someone to trap them. Regardless, this video is extremely unique because it displays the cops backing down and being OK with the civilian controlling the situation,
BINGO! LOL
I actually commend the officers. Taking a stalking threat seriously and, for the most part, act reasonable during the stop. If my wife thought she was being followed I would want the cop to be as thorough as these cops.
I’m sure there’s plenty of police around your area and that will let you lick their boots
@@Radionut mad lol
Yes, but they needed to let it go when they needed to let it go - or to tell him that he is suspected of stalking which is a crime
That's bullshit lmfao; they left without determining whether the guy was a stalker or not. If he actually was she would've been shit outta luck dealing with these incompetents cause he was completely free at the end of the encounter. "Ma'am I have good news and bad news; the good news is I talked to the guy stalking you. The bad news is he is completely free to continue stalking or investigating you; I couldn't determine which. You might want to hire a private investigator to see who he is and what he's up to; I have absolutely nothing for you in that regard."
Admitting that he's stalking her will not help him.
And as a former PI, I would say that "stalking" is a reasonable, articulable suspicion. He could have dispelled the whole situation by producing his PI license. When I did surveillance, I let the local cops know I was in the area. Easy-peasy, and solves a multitude of potential problems.
Yeah the guy is lucky he didn't get arrested for failure to ID. He seems to think that the police have to articulate their reasonable suspicion to him, but they don't. They only have to articulate it to the judge.
@@davedavidson4548 I'd be 100% comfortable in dragging the shitty cops in front of a judge to do that.
@@Nalianna The shitty cop is the ex-cop PI in this video.
I think this is dead on. The suspected crime was stalking, and his vehicle matched the caller's description. That's sufficient grounds for asking him to produce ID and establish that, as a PI, he wasn't stalking.
@@vikingnoise No worries, wake up a judge, OR articulate your suspicion.
Neither? No dice.
Imagine hiring a private investigator to spy on your cheating wife and finding out he’s a first amendment auditor on the side😂😢.
Officers get an A+ and the driver gets an F
And she saw him right away.
@@chrism1420 That's not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes investigators intentionally make their presence known, either to intimidate the subject of the investigation, or to "fool" the subject; investigators sometimes work in teams. In this case, if he had a partner, he makes himself very obvious, and when she busts him, she thinks she's in the clear, and that's when the other guy gets the dirt on her.
In this case, he wasn't the first PI hired to investigate her, so she was probably already highly vigilant. I'm betting that's why she waited and let him follow her for 2 days; she wasn't concerned for her safety, she knew what was going on, and let him tail her to confirm her suspicions.
He may have been a cop at one time.
@@rickwells9929 Wrong way. Turn it around. The cops get an F driver gets an A+
He was incredibly hostile and incredulous considering he was actually following this woman.
He’s a PI. They have every right too.
@@Chubbybear21 No duh, you’re missing the point. She’s saying he’s acting as if the cop should’ve magically known he was a PI. He could’ve just told him that and the interaction could’ve gone from 20 minutes to 2. But instead he went the route bad cops do and made it harder than it has to be solely to defend an ego.
@@Chubbybear21 I mean come on, you wouldn’t raise an eyebrow a guy who (as far as you know) is following some woman around Great distances and is visually trying to stay hidden in the night’s darkness? You wouldn’t think anything of that?😂
@@AnthonyBlamthony thank you! That’s exactly the point I was making!
@@AnthonyBlamthony visually trying to stay hidden in the nights darkness lol lmao
“You don’t answer questions; you just stalk young ladies” lmao 😂
Guy: "The fact that I'm exercising my rights does not mean I'm not cooperating, sir"
Cop: "Yes it does"
🤦♂️
I mean technically he is right, it does. Just that you do have a right to not cooperate in certain ways.
@@yunofun in any way, shape or form you don't have to answer not a question from law enforcement. Cooperation when it's very not needed towards the oppressors that want to incarcerate you, is not under any circumstance an option. Cops lie and lie alot, that is their job to lie to everyone to gain a conviction.
@@I_Am_Warden So anyone can stalk anyone and claim they are a PI? Or do PI's need to prove they are a PI?
How far is a PI allowed to stalk me before I'm allowed to shoot him?
@@KrillixKai You have to prove stalking. It doesnt matter how many times you use the word, it has to be proven. One person's word against another is not proof of anything.
@@KrillixKai following someone isnt breaking the law though. Unless they did something directly to you..
At the end of the day though, I cannot be mad that the police took a stalking complaint seriously. Imagine if they didn't look into and something happened. They have to do their job here, whether or not they made it difficult.
Absolutely, and the initial officer even said if you're an investigator just tell me and keep on going. Sure there's the risk of having the lady find out but had this prick just complied this would've been over in 2 minutes tops.
Yeah this guy wasn't really helping anyone here
he wanted to make a show and have a video to share on the media...
@@rolandfischer931 yeah he was just being a jerk, what a waste of resources and time. If some creep is following my wife I'd sure appreciate it if a cop would pull him over and ask a few questions. Ffs
@@lilyeetmeister6422 But there in lies the issue. When everyone just goes along with it to make their lives easier it. It can make cops become accustomed to everyone simply cooperating giving them a false sense of entitlement. It also in some cases causes cops to feel they have the right to overreach because no one else challenges them on the legality. So while I don't think you should intentionally start shit I don't think it's right to just go alone to get along if what the officers are actually doing is a violation against your actual rights. The idea that sense most people don't wish to assert their rights that no one else should is a bit strange. It's just a matter of opinion I guess.
If he had admitted that he was a private investigator they would have asked for his credentials, and the vicious circle continues...
Now imagine what cops do to people that aren't ex law enforcement and not recording. Corruption run rampant.
Imagine having to "invoke" your rights, like it's some kind of activated skill and not a passive one.
If your wife was being followed would you not want the cops to check the person out. You can't always go against the police , there definitely are times when police are right.
@@benninger123 giving up your civil liberties “for sometimes they’re right” is what is wrong with the system.
@@benninger123 and if it was you going about your daily job, you'd also not want to be stopped, harassed, and denied your rights by police every day.
We can't say screw everybody's rights just because my wife feels uncomfortable.
@@benninger123 if my wife was being followed by an investigator then it means she probably did something wrong, invalid arguement.
Yeah its crazy how we have the 5th amendment right to remain silent but if we dont verbally say we invoke or plead the 5th it doesnt apply and that silence can be used against us
Shoutout to the lady for even recognizing that someone was following her. Most people are so caught up in their own little world that they wouldn’t even notice someone right behind them, following them everywhere they went.
very true! futz i can follow my wife for half a day and she would have no clue lol
@@dwaynemclaren7160 Oh she knows your there, she just doesn't give a, JK. Now try that trick on your soon too be ex wife.
@@mybad8805 WHAT?
Or she was well aware she was being investigated because she did something wrong and is on the lookout. Most normal cops first question is not “Are u an investigator”?
According to this video nothing can be done about it in reality.
This is one of the few Audit the Audit vids where I think the policemen are absolutely correct to detain and question this man, and the man is being evasive and defensive.
Using my God given rights to remain silent isn’t evasive nor is it defensive. If the officers had better training and grasp of the law then the stop would’ve gone on without an issue.
@@Solomon_Akok so what if this what your faughter and then this man killed her because he excercised his rivhts. also the audit literally pointed out how they COULD detain him bevause he WAS suspicious for a possible crime. They clearly did have probable cause from a courts pount of view
yea imagine this dude just got away and then went on to kill someone u know its creepy
If he's an ex-cop he knows answering the questions will be used against him.
That's how to do it. They new he was a a investigator. When they ran his plates
He didn't want to admit that he was a P.I. because the deputies would have told the subject of his investigation. I would have definitely called the cops about some shmuck following me around for three days.
Yes, im on the fence about this one I’m 100% with people invoking their rights but i feel bad for the lady who is scared even though the PI is within his rights.
@@user-pd5vo7yy2w Agreed. Same here.
In a stand your ground state following someone around for 3 days...
@@user-pd5vo7yy2w What people may not understand is that P.I.'s following people around and constantly taking photos is quite frequently used as an intimidation tactic by a third party. The "Church" of Scientology is infamous for using this to intimidate anyone who questions their practices.
The investigator was ticked off because because he lost his tail on her.... Now this investigation is holding him up and he doesn't want to give up the info in the case that they would inform her. He's stalling but they won't take a hint and let him go so he can catch back up so he got angry.
Clearly Hoffmann doesn’t know the old stay two cars back when tailing rule. He needs the spook-o-meter from GTA SA
just me or did tailing missions make you drive even more erratically
I’m here lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ooo man I needed this laugh 😆😆😆
😂😂😂
i know him. i worked with him. he’s one of the best. and he needs ZERO input from you🤣
@@eyeamstrongest you wldnt believe the damage we cause to our vehicles!
The cops should have to go through a yearly “law review” to keep their accreditation.
" those badges and those guns don't give you the right to violate other peoples rights"...best line
Hearing an ex cop argue with cops using a lot of the same phrasing made my day. Had to stop myself from laughing at work
What a surprise. The ex policeman is also a dickhead.
🤣🤣
This guy ruined his own case
@@ABCeasyas-yj2ot how so 🤔
@@crisdeluna9069 claims theres no pc for the stop yet none is needed. RS is absolutely accomplished here for the stop and there is absolutely a need/requirement to ID. He should have 100% been arrested here, the alleged victim pointed out his car and its even covered here.
Just because he filmed, named dropped, and yes as mentioned deliberately withheld info that would dispel all the officers fears doesn’t mean they should have tucked tail and ran.
Hypothetically with the same info provided in this video with some google search for clarification that’s 100% a justifiable arrest. All that I may further request if I was those cops, is the lady who called to drive past and confirm again.
This same point is actually covered in this video.
The cops had RS
The driver did refuse to ID when required
The driver was further combative regarding continued refusals
Due to purposely withholding the info that would quickly quell this situation what case would he have.
I admittedly don’t know Florida law, but I believe in this the states are the same.
Stop for RS, arrest for refusal to ID when required.
Police: "back to my original question"
Guy; "yes sir?"
Police: "are you following someone? "
Guy: "I don't answer questions"
That was gold! 🤣🤣🤣
I haven't laughed that hard in a long time 🤣🤣🤣. I was not expecting that. I really thought he was just going to say "NO".
Mr. Hoffman has been a cop for over 30+ yrs he knows a lot and seen a lot so he's well aware of all the different games and tactics officers try to play. I'm sure sometime during his leo career he's done it and probably learned from it.
When one is caught slipping, dodge the question. Among Us 101
buddy gave a whole speech and went full circle and instantly back in character with zero hesitation "thought ya had me" lmao i was rolling on the floor
"So you're a stalker? Got it." Book em Dano
This could have been avoided if he had answered two questions they asked at the beginning: are you following her? Are you a PI? There was no reason for him, especially being an ex-cop, to extend the detention.
Answering their questions could have extended the detention and given cause for incarceration.
But cops don't understand that we have rights.they don't understand they have to leave stand back
Just say no “im not answering questions” always ends like this
The P.I. Said-
“Just because I’m exercising my rights doesn’t mean I’m being difficult”
Cop- “yes it does”
That’s the problem guys. 🤦🏻♂️
I agree, they should have arrested him.
Yeah you’re right. We should all just lay down and take the abuse and unconstitutional demands and harassment from police. This is America. Not China. I’ve got some of my best friends who lost their lives fighting for that constitution and the rights of which we have so that we can keep them. It’s not about being difficult or disrespectful to police. It’s about not allowing the government to begin and successfully walk over us when we have rights that were fought for and that people paid the ultimate price for. I’m not into the guys that do this stuff just to antagonize police and the get views. I don’t respect it when it’s not done in the right way. I hate that kinda stuff. But this was done correctly and legally. They couldn’t arrest him. They couldn’t do a damn thing. Which is why they abandoned the stop. If they would have, they would have been fired and costed their department and city a lot of time and money. There’s a fine line that can’t be crossed when doing things like this. I don’t like when that line is crossed or even flirted with. He wasn’t looking for trouble. He wasn’t trying to create contact between the police and himself. He wasn’t doing anything. Just his job. Would it of been easier for him to just say “hey guys I’m a P.I. and that’s why I’m following this car.” Yeah. A lot easier but that’s not the point. He doesn’t have to say anything. That’s his right. He’s probably embarrassed because a good P.I. wouldn’t of been made in the first place lol but that’s besides the point. It’s about rights and being an American and living in America. Too many people give up and lay down. This is how we get the bad cops off the roads. Weed them out. They started this whole “us against them” kinda mentality. Not the people. But besides all that, it all boils down to this….they didn’t arrest him because they couldn’t and they knew it. Not without a lawsuit anyway.
@@KrillixKai.
Waste of time.
Case would have been thrown out.
You're misquoting there. It was "...doesn't mean I'm not cooperating," not "...doesn't mean I'm being difficult." And he's wrong. He's within his legal rights to not be cooperative, while he's saying that any form of exercising his rights is being cooperative. It's not, because cooperating means taking action and assisting the police. Instead he is being passive by being silent and not taking positive or negative action. It's not cooperation, it's not obstructing, it's just exercising his rights in a neutral manner.
Use em or lose em.
If someone is clearly being followed, I want the cops to investigate.
It's not against the law to be somewhere.
@@wolfkin73 stalking is illegal. You don't want potential stalking to be investigated? If I followed your mom or your wife around all day, you would be pretty pissed if I just said, "it's not illegal to be somewhere". The policeman has reasonable suspicion to believe the man is a stalker.
@@Shane-un8pe I want the cops to follow the law. Have you ever had anyone lie about you? Have you ever had anyone acuse you of something your not doing. Cops investigate lots of things that aren't crimes that's why it's an investigation. My wife and mother can take care of themselves perfectly well.
@@wolfkin73 and they were following the law by investigating a stalking complaint.
"It's not against the law to be somewhere."
Apparently it is in Florida.
It was amazing watching the same tone and language police use on citizens be turned around on the deputies. They got owned hard...
The fact that they just gave up is frustrating. I don't think any of the officers said once specifically that they got a call that a person was being followed for days which is harassment which gave them reasonable suspicion. Luckily this dude had no intention to harm anybody, but he was in fact following her and they just let him go without completing their investigation. Personally, I don't care if the PI got his cover blown if someone already noticed he was there for days.
The sheriff literally said "asserting your rights is suspicious."
You can blame the general public for that,
coz too many bend over for LE giving them the sense of entitlement they have.
police do not believe that common citizens should have civil rights. They are smart enough to realize they should not admit that on camera. However they firmly believe in their right to invoke THEIR civil rights.
LMFAO
In this particular case, it is though, right or not, it comes off as suspicious. If someone was following me around, i stopped him to ask why, and he refuses to answer, i immediately assume he is following me, but why? Am i in danger? is my family in danger? What is he planning?
You do have your rights, but seeing this in another scenario, that is fully possible to be happening, if they let this man go without verifying who he is, or if he is following this woman or not, and the next night that woman ends up murdered, because this man was stalking her.
So while yes, you do have your rights, being of assistance to remove suspicion should be done regardless. Like in the video, if he had simply said "i am a PI, heres proof", the police says "great! youre not doing anything wrong, and that woman isnt in danger, have a nice day." (They even asked him that)
By refusing to give any information, even though it is "asserting your rights", while it does not mean you are guilty, most definitely makes you come across as suspicious to everyone else, police officer or not.
So yes, you do not have to say anything, but if you can make everything settle down and go away with basically half a sentence, why wouldnt you? What he did effectively makes everyones job harder and puts people at risk. Taking what that sheriff said out of context to apply elsewhere doesnt help anyone, because that sentence was entirely correct in this case, and valid at that, since this person was indeed following her. But as a PI he had reasons to do so, which he refused to tell the police, of course he didnt have to do so, but why wouldnt you?
There is a time and place for exercising your rights, and a time and place to be of assistance. If the matter is you, by all means do whatever you want. But if the matter is someone else (like in this case, the woman) you help, to let people know there is no danger. Its that easy.
Well I think the other reason he may not tell the cops What he's doing because (they don't need to know). he could be investigating one of them for all you know . guy seems good at his job .
I gotta give the cop the benefit of the doubt. He was trying to protect a citizen from what he believed to be a stalker.
The PI was in a difficult situation. He has an obligation to his client, and identifying himself could jeopardize his investigation.
This is a case where there’s no bad guy. The cops were reasonable in their attempt to protect the public, and the PI was reasonable in his refusal to cooperate.
However, the PI didn’t do himself any favors by challenging the notion of following somebody. While he may be entitled to follow people, failing to ID himself gave the officers every reason to be suspicious.
This.
Agreed
If the followed person is involved with a LEO in some way, in that circumstance, the PI may not want to divulge his profession.
I’m completely agree
As the target of the investigation is known to police, admitting to being on an investigation could well violate attorney / client privilege, and I could face civil or criminal penalties for doing so if I were in his place. I will alert LE of an area I am in prior to staking out a location, and if asked what I am doing where the subject of my investigation cannot be determined by LE I will provide credentials. In this case it would very likely be an ethical violation to do so, and most commenters don't do this work and don't grasp this point.
I get it but also that's scary AF that someone can follow you around and cops can't do anything
Your life is tracked and sold for profit your whole life online, with great detail.
The cops could've done something. But black cops are scared of white people. So they let them get away with 💩 that they shouldn't. He did suspect that guy of committing a crime. The guy was being suspicious. Had he snatched him out of his vehicle, he'd a been within his rights. I've seen waaaay too many videos of "suspicious" activities that were nowhere near as suspicious as this, and they were id'd, detained.... somethin... watever
Well, in this actual case he had a right to, which he should have explained. In general stalking is a crime, but I’m not sure if it pertains to your home or work. Without a restraining over, just driving on the same public street as someone is hard to enforce. I will say this guy doesn’t seem very good at his job.
No they can do something except in the case of a private investigator
@@nt3xplain but what if they don't know they're a private investigator.
Remember kids, in order for you to exercise your right to remain silent, you can NOT remain silent. You MUST say you are remaining silent because silence isn't implied as remaining silent. Blows my fucking mind.
A right has to be invoked or laches incurs.
Isn’t that weird? Being silent doesn’t mean you’re invoking your right to be silent.
@@thepopeofkeke Which is a bullshit legality. All rights should automatically be presumed to be invoked at all times regardless of any circumstance. If not, are they really rights at all, or just special legal privileges, subject to the whims of whatever corruptions a judiciary or legislative mechanism could dream up?
@@ramblinwreck384 Devils are bad, m'kay.
You have the right to remain silent, however you can't just remain silent.
I love the Ex-Cop acting annoyed at everything the other Cop says. Gold. Just shows how much cops are disconnected to normal people after getting the badge and a gun for free use.
Disconnected? Seems like they just wanted to protect a lil lady who was being legally stalked. They at least gave her some space to drive off and not be followed by this dbag.
@@madman10340 how is he a dbag if he’s doing his job 🤔
@@madman10340 Yeah and they committed several felonies doling it, while he committed no crime.....
@@madman10340 he's a dbag for legally doing his job? You clearly didn't watch the video nor do even attempt to do the slightest inkling of your own research, huh? He was legally doing his job and within his rights. But that makes him a dbag? Just another CoP hAtEr... 🤡
@@6StimuL84 literally
If he said he was an investigator then the cops would surely tell his perp
Seems to me they DID have reasonable suspicion to stop him. After all they did mention they were following a report on a person following the young lady and that both the person and vehicle matched his description. And he was indeed following her, there is no way for the officers to know he is a PI because he never disclosed it so there is reasonable suspicion to think he might be actually stalking the woman.
The best thing about this channel is the constant reference of legal decisions and actual laws and codes.
And it's mostly neutral about it.
Yes. Its absolutely unparalleled as far as Ive found.
I mean it’s not that good at it tho
Kinda overlooks a main central thing that this dude ; who is driving a vehicle; on a road refuses to identity himself
And you have to do that everything else aside lol
But responding to a public complaint is also a valid reason to approach someone on the street lol
They also told him what they thought he was doing
Him disagreeing that following a lady isn’t suspicious doesn’t like him as a citizen tell them cop thrrr suspicion isn’t valid
That’s what judges are for and who he gets to; as a citizen; argue it with them lmao
And he’s being super uncorperstivr lmao
@@ShmuckCanuck ATA has gone over identification laws in other videos. In this situation, he did not have to identify himself legally
And invoking his 5th amendment right is not being uncooperative. It's being knowledgeable of his rights as a citizen.
@@Sotryn_Fox I didn’t talk about the fifth amendment at all
I talked about the fact that while you don’t have to identity yourself randomly when walking
Or driving on private property
You can be asked to and do have to produce your drivers licence and Insurance if asked if driving on a public road
They can literally just ask to check that
I didn’t say anything about the fifth amendment or him being cooperative or not
Now obviously if he’d wanted the legal leeway a private investigator gets it would’ve presumably behooved him too cooperate and identity himself as such to the police who had no reason to think he was since he wouldn’t even tell them him name let alone that
And additionally; if someone calls you saying they feel unsafe cause someone has been following them
That’s a valid reason for police to be like hey why are you following that person
That’s honestly; kind of one of the major purposes of having police
Okay this is legitimately a situation that should have just been dissolved from the very beginning. It's completely reasonable for an officer to investigate a potential stalker, ESPECIALLY when he acknowledges that he's fine if the guy is just a private investigator.
He eventually tossed out that he was an ex cop and used that status to gain some sort of privilege from the cops. So, I really am not as sorry for him on this.
@@zatoth13 he also told the cops that he had 4 cameras on them, that seemed to change their tune rather quickly as well.
I like how educated them but I do not think that was necessary. Why didn't he admit he was investigating her which was the first thing he was asked about.
He wants a fight, for his ego or views. Could of told them what he was doing and been done with it. Should of been cited for fallowing then he would of had to tell them. Total tool
I agree. This guy escalated when the first cop was straight with him.
If he'd told the cops he was a PI, they for sure would've given that info to the lady he was investigating
Although the PI is within his legal rights to refuse to comply with the officer, I feel like this is a fair stop. If somebody was following me around for days I’d also feel threatened and call the police. He could have just told the officer he’s a PI, such as the officer inquired about, and this could have ended much quicker.
This is one heck of a way to show off your low key, private investigative skills that aren't supposed to get you noticed by your subject.
I think that depends on the objective(s) of the investigation. There are times the PI may actually want to be noticed. Because we don't know the objectives, it is hard for us to conclude with absolute certainty
You better go watch some Rockford Files.
Sometimes they want you to know that they are watching you.
covert or overt LOL
@@worshippers3590 exactly! For some reason the majority of people seem to think it’s essential for a “good” PI to maintain stealth. Several circumstances exist where it simply isn’t required, so why bother.
Won't get away with that in most Democrat states. They'll jump your a$$ so fast you go back in time!!! Pheweeeeeeee !!!
He's not much of a PI if his subject knows she's being stalked.
Nah, there’s a lot of people that know they’re being followed or watched if they’ve done some shady stuff. Their paranoia actually helps them out in these situations
Sometimes a pi wants their subject to know that they are on to them so another investor can slide in unnoticed when the primary pi isn't seen. They think they are in the clear because they don't see the main pi.
@@uhhidk8093 it's called situational awareness...
My conclusion is this bittch be DONE cheating!!!
@@nordicdodson2556 yes, I know what situational awareness is. I was breaking it down
I also want to point out that everyone in this chat would be upset if the first cop just okay your right bye. Then the lady gets kidnapped hours or days later. We hear this story all the time that cops show up to a killer or kidnappers then don’t ask enough questions.
this, but its cool to hate cops.
Actually the phone call is what gives the officer probable cause to investigate and identify.
God that makes me laugh "Let me go back to the initial question. Were you following her?" Driver - "I don't answer questions" Deputy - "FUCK THIS SHIT IM OUTTY"
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Why wouldn’t he just explain why he is creeping around following a woman on her own in a car? It IS suspicious. If it was my daughter I’d boot fuck out of him
@@cwgmusicvideos uh huh
@@cwgmusicvideos that’s what I’m saying like the law doesn’t seem right in this video… probable cause should be a women calling the cops telling them your exact vehicle and saying you have been following her for 3 days. You should at least have to prove you’re a PI or at least ID yourself.
@@madman10340 How is giving up his drivers license gonna answer the question about why he's following her though?
I am torn on this one... what if he was a stalker? If I was the cop I just would have followed him around as he followed the woman. That way she is safe. He may not like it, but if he isn't going to say anything than I have to be sure he isn't a threat to her.
if i were her I'd be scared too
I thought the same thing. Photo of him and run the plate then stake him out.
They also could have looked up the license plate and I’m sure for a fact a name would have came up and said “private investigator”. So...
Yeah if this guy is persistently following a woman around, I think that’s a justifiable reason to detain him.
@@castleclimber but ya can't
Thank you. This was incredibly informative.
Illegally detaining an innocent member of the public, not understanding the basis of your job = B
Successfully defending yourself and not proving any information = B
Your scoring has progressively sided with the cops.
As a former private detective and having been in a similar situation, the PI could have simply identified himself as a private investigator and dissolved the situation. I was approached by a county officer on a particularly difficult surveillance and I immediately identified myself and he left right away. The PI asked for professional courtesy but showed non on his end.
Maybe he was following a cop and didn’t want to let her know for sure a pi was following her.
Gonna disagree with you there Neale. This culture needs more men like this PI in the video. Not limp wristed fellas like yourself.
@@undignified2843 Was it necessary to insult the other guy? It was a pretty good and civil response up to that point.
Here’s the thing though. If these officers demonstrated the ability to understand and apply policy sure. But time and time again these videos show that they don’t this making responses like this necessary
Couldn't have said it better.
Him stating he was ex law enforcement was key in them leaving him alone.
So, if I'm caught stalking someone, I can just claim that and I should be on my way? Sweet.
@Ms. Kitty Katt Apparently I'm doing a bad job at making a snide remark if that was your conclusion of what I'm trying to say.
Invoking the privilege of the thin blue line
Unless you're in Florida you have to prove it. Put yourself in the ladies shoes, a random stranger following you so you go to the police for help like any sane person who is scared. Now put yourself in the cop's shoes, lady says a man is stalking her and she's scared so you do your job in protecting her. Now the man claims to be ex law enforcement, you want to make sure he actually is and he's not lying because if he is and you let him go and that scared lady becomes a missing lady you made a huge mistake. This is more about figuring out the situation to ensure the safety of someone, not someone's rights
@@TheDeviIDogg And why are they taking the woman's word when she could be a lying Karen?
He said “ the reason that I’m exercising my rights does not make me not responsive
I can't help but notice two things:
1. He is taking his PI job so seriously, he doesn't want to risk/trust the officers by telling them that, so he doesn't.
2. He's not the stealthiest guy by allowing himself to not only be noticed by the subject for them to call on him in the first place, but also keep the stop going which potentially allows the subject to identify him further and avoid him and his vehicle after that.
Nobody really won here.
Yeah, couldnt agree with you more.
They were following a stalking report your right.
It was all about his rights, not trying too quickly Get on with The job clearing him keeping The citizens safe.
PIs don't confirm whether they are conducting an investigation in case the officer knows the person they are investigating because the officer could confirm to that person that they are being investigated.
@@jameshuhn6924
My thoughts exactly. We all know they would run over there and tell her what he was doing. I commend him for protecting his client.
@@jameshuhn6924 Didn't matter, she knew he was following her for 2 days. Apparently she caught 2 other PIs as well. So I'm pretty sure she knew exactly what was going on. She wanted to shake him, she wasn't "scared"
As a private investigator in the state of Florida, one has to show identification. It’s part of his license.
Whether the officers continue afterwards to investigate, the doesn’t have go further in cooperating. With a simple PI badge flick of the wrist, he just wasted 15 min probably more not doing his PI work.
Exactly. Same in VA
It depends on state. Regardless, this guy was an asshole and escalated for no reason other than TH-cam views I guess.
@@LynxStarAuto Standing by your constitutional right doesnt = esculation
@@jinxxintraffic what constitutional right. He did not declare he was a PI as he was required to by law. Until he does, he was stalking. Stalking is PC to pull him over and conduct an investigation. As a former LEO I would have arrested him for stalking and obstruction as soon as he started his “constitutional right”. His rights end when they infringe on someone else’s I.E. the lady he was stalking. Again it was stalking until he provided proof he was a licensed PI doing an investigation.
I would like to see the statute, as there may be exceptions. In this case as a Private Detective, disclosing that I was working on an investigation would give them the subject of my investigation which is information often protected by attorney / client privilege. I am ethically prohibited in almost all cases to provide such specific information, and could easily lose my license and face criminal and civil penalties. If I am staking someone or some place and they cannot determine the specifics then I would identify myself.
1:53 he literally just told you what crime he suspects you of committing or getting ready to commit.
The moment the dynamic switched to him instructing and the three cops listening like a class of students...
11:59
Hoffman: "Exercising my rights does not mean im not cooperating"
Officer: "Yes it does"
Thats deep on alot of levels and is really sad actually
But than it's also legal for cop to lie but not legal for us to lie. That officer said "Yes it does" could be exercising his legal right to lie. LOL Sadly our right is to stay silence and get harass.
Well, not being cooperative does not mean to do less than you’re required to. You can be not cooperative in the sense of not giving information you’re not required to give
Cops are hypocrites. They lie all the time. They never answer questions when charged with a crime. Stop the BS double standards.
Rights don't corporate with cops.
Hoffman is an awful investigator if his target had him pinged from the get go. Lol.
Someone's choice to not participate in an investigation does NOT make them uncooperative! In fact an Officer can become uncooperative by choosing not to cooperate with a person's rights!
actually, noncooperative is defined as failure or refusal to cooperate. so not cooperating DOES mean you're noncooperative. you just happen to have the right to be noncooperative if you choose.
@@michaelweston2285 Yeah, he is uncooperative, which is the point I guess, right, that according to law he does not have to cooperate. The caps statement isnt wrong at all, but if the police said that not cooperating was a crime, that would be a different matter. Dont know why so many people react so strong to this comment from the cop, the man was clearly not cooperative, and thats completely fine.
You don't *have* to cooperate with any law enforcement
Especially to incriminate yourself
@@maveric619 Were not saying he has to cooperate, im even saying in almost all cases you should not, im saying that it still means he not cooperating as in being uncooperative, and thats what the word means.
Don’t forget though, I’m this case he should have been require to show his ID due to reasonable suspicion. That’s why both parties got a B, because neither of them seemed to understand that he could’ve been arrested for failing to do so. But he did have the right not to answer any other questions and be uncooperative in that regard.
This is one of the best videos on how to contest a terry stop
"I'm doing an investigation" IS NOT A CRIME!!! How many times do we have to go through this crap?
I’m an insurance fraud investigator here In NJ, and a retired Municipal Police Officer. I have encountered such contacts with LE.
Before a case, I usually check into the local PD to state that I’m in the area, but I never let the PD know “Who” I’m surveying, because it’s against the claimants right to privacy. Also, the PD may know them , and “Drop a Dime” and possibly, hinder the integrity of the investigation.
In this case, if the investigator told the PD that he was actually following the female, the PD would have most likely told her she was being followed by a private investigator, and that as well, will effect the integrity of his investigation.
The best course of action to be take should have been to check in with any local PD jurisdiction you happen to be working before you begin the case.
He's the THIRD PI that she spotted so it sounds like an ex worthless pig being bad at his job AGAIN.
Thanks for the info
Agree.
I respectfully disagree. It's none of their business what you or I are doing in their jurisdiction unless we're breaking the law.
@@crisrodriguez4676
You need to get off your constitutional high horse.
If you’re a PI doing an investigation and you don’t check in with the PD , they will show up, and just draw attention to you, and there goes your case.
Check in, then once concerned citizens call a “Suspicious Vehicle” they know it’s a PI and they won’t go out and bother you.
So get you head out of your Ass , and think multi dimensional.
Citizen- “Me expressing my rights cannot be deemed uncooperative.” Officer- “yes it does.” This goes to show you that most officers don’t give a damn about your rights!
the active duty cop is correct. noncooperative is defined as failure or refusal to cooperate. so not cooperating DOES mean you're noncooperative. you just happen to have the right to be noncooperative if you choose.
@@michaelweston2285 asserting your rights is not uncooperative ...it can’t be deemed as such. I say he was cooperating within the laws. He gave them what he was legally suppose to which is nothing. Unless RAS and PC are present which they weren’t. No crime no ID
@@mikebrokeoff8552 Merriam-Webster disagrees with you
@@michaelweston2285 so you're arguing then that we don't have to cooperate with police? Which is it then?
But it is uncooperative, thats just a fact, like the definition of the word really. But, the law says he doesnt have to cooperate, so he is doing nothing wrong (and most likely everything correct). But that still doesnt take away that he is not cooperate.
That is a good point, in the middle ,
Because I'm exercising my legal rights does not make me unco-operative...
That comes up a lot
fair grade. B for both. and the lady absolutely should be able to call the police if she's followed and expect them to ensure she's safe
One of the first statements out of the officer's mouth early in the video was "if you're investigating that's different," this would lead me to think he already ran the plate and knew who owned the vehicle and that he was liscensed as an investigator.
The problem with telling them He is investigating licensed professional is that they will in turn tell the complainant and his cover is blown.
Correct.
@@sharijones7779 his cover is already blown she knew he was following her for a whole day this stop was inevitable
It might be a rental car.
Or maybe it’s that he looks like a cop
This is the one video where i cant even be mad with the officers. They took a stalking complaint seriously, and tried to obtain information. The guy refused to answer questions and could have easily avoided everything if he would have just said hes a private investigator from the start.
Hes a pi telling them could potentially tip her off that she's being investigated. Also it's none of their business
"Comply and you'll be fine."
Ok, guy...
Sure let me just give up all my rights as a us citizen and give you all the info you may need to arrest me hmmm
@VigorousDomination does saying "I'm a private investigator amd was hired to investigate her" and getting back to doing your job right away really truly feel like you're giving up all of your rights? I'm all for not answering questions but if it's a situation where I'm pulled over and labeled as a potential creepy stalker, I would rather just tell the cop I'm working and be able to go about my day
No, you’re assuming there would be no more questions. They would have many, including his ID. The woman would then have access to it.
I'm always fond of the "auditors" who invoke their right to remain silent - and then talk and talk and talk.
Given the YT channel this guy has, he thoroughly enjoys doing things like this because it's CONTENT. There was no reason he couldn't have just told them "I'm a P.I." and been on his way. You could say "well he doesnt want the person he's following to KNOW he's a P.I." but that reason doesnt float because he's posting this stuff on YT. He didn't tell them because it help draw out the conversation and gave him the chance to chastise them.
I usually support people who do things like this, but..........I'm not a big fan of this one.
Based take
If he told the police he was a PI they wouldn't need to tell the person he's following, although she likely already knew.
Agreed. This guy came across as a real POS. Dislike!
The right to remain silent doesn't mean you have to sit there in silence. You CAN do that if you want. It means you don't have to give up anything you don't want too and in this case he wanted to educate the cops a little bit.
This video is a great guide for how to stalk someone, and successfully get the cops to leave you alone long enough to follow them home
not really, the cops had a legal; right to his id and could have arrested him legally for obstruction. This PI was bad at being a cop (doesn't know what RAS is) and is worse at bein a PI (girl knew he was following her the whole time)
On the flip side, There was a story about a recently divorced woman who had gone out with friends. A man asked to buy her a drink she declined. The man followed her to see where she lived. She saw the man parked by her house multiple times the police said they couldn't do anything because he had not committed a crime. She told her neighbor what was going on and asked him to keep an eye out and see if he could get a plate number or a good car description. The man's whining dog awakened him at 2am he went to let it out. He noticed the neighbor's kitchen light was on and a man was attacking her. He and the man fought but the man got away. The lady went to stay with her parents and traded cars with her sister who lived in a neighboring town and would drive around different streets to be sure she was not followed. A few nights later the neighbor heard his dogs barking, shouting, and screaming downstairs he recognized the intruder's voice. He waited till the screams stopped, his dogs had shredded the man's legs he died shortly later. The neighbor and his dogs didn't get in trouble and he gave the neighbor lady one of their puppies.
Freedom isn't free. And not just for the oft implied reason of men in uniform dying to defend those freedoms. We all necessarily sacrifice some level of security to retain those freedoms.
Good doggos, did their jobs like some Champs and I hope they were totally unharmed in the process 🙏
Omgosh! If this is true (and I don’t mean to challenge your integrity) then what a win in the end! Justice being served. That guy might have “won a few battles” being a dangerous creep, but he lost the war….and every war has its casualties, and that ended up being him. By no means am I cheering about death, but in this scenario, if someone had so lose their life, I’m very grateful it was him and not her or the neighbour or the dogs!!!
PS - Dogs are just the best. I have a big one who looks like a muppet and a panda bear mixed together 😊 and he is the sweetest most bouncy angel ever, but his protective instincts over me are on point. Makes me feel so safe.
I call B.S. I Copied and Pasted the aforementioned comment on Google and nothing came up. Bro, stop the White Knight FEAR mongering intended to cast men as predacious.
This makes me want a herd of dogs.
I'm genuinely curious, if someone calls the police and suspects they're being followed or whatever......does no one want police to follow up on that and just wish the caller the best of luck? Truly, no sarcasm. Are they not supposed to see if the dude is in fact stalking, following, or whatever?
Yeah guy was kinda dumb… maybe he was trying to exercise some rights, but geez just tell the officer you are a PI, and that’s gonna be the end of it.
No they shouldn't show up... following someone and/or driving on public roads isn't a crime.
@@teebteeb1268 I didn't say that was a crime, and you didn't answer the question & you're only trying to use a non-answer to prevent that. But by that line it means unless someone is caught mid-decapitation they cannot be stopped and questioned about it because walking, driving, sitting on the couch, is perfectly legal.
No, they are habitual liars. What if it’s not true? They already told multiple lies to him. Now you think he should cooperate? Come on.
@@TheNativeTwo that wouldn’t be the end of it. That lady would now have his information.
No crime Committed and not pulled over for a traffic violation equals
NO I.D.
Four little words can save you so much grief, I don’t answer questions!
The cops already knew who he was. They checked his plates and were trying to get him to admit he was working.
maybe a ticket for stalking, to show the judge the retainer and contract?
Why would they do that? Would it be a crime if he was working?
@@AwesomesMan He’s following someone, so from a fear perspective it is understandable why the police would want to resolve the situation. But both sides are in a standoff. He isn’t stalking the person, so they can’t legally stop him. They want to prevent a possible stalking but he’s under no obligation to admit he’s following the person. Odds are though the cops told the individual who he was and what was going on.
@@jamescollier3 Not legal. He would have grounds for a lawsuit.
@@kaindabadguy so, a PI can stalk anyone? I think you are wrong
12:20 "You don't get to search and search until I say something, or you twist something I say to use it against me!" Definitely an ex-cop. He's hyper-aware of the common dirty tricks cops play.
Facts
Yep, and he has the right to not incriminate himself. Talking to the police doesn’t help you at all. All it can do is hurt you so your best bet is to not answer any of their questions.
When the officer first arrived he told him straight up that the person he was following called them. So as a private investigator it is essential not to let your mark know your following them.. if he had told the police that he was an investigator. It could compromise his investigation. Because those cops still have to get back in touch with the caller. And there's no telling if one of those officers will tell the person that she was being followed by an investigator. It's not likely that they would tell on the investigator but better safe than sorry.
"we suskect you of stalking"
"Ok officer im a private investigator working a case, here's my paperwork"
"Alrigh sir have a nice day"
The dude should have realized the situation, the lady went to the police for help because she felt unsafe, very reasonable. The cop then does his job to help ensure the lady doesn't end up on some missing persons list, reasonable. So why not just say who you are and what you're doing in a reasonable situation like a reasonable human being?
I agree. I assume it might affect his work as a PI while investigating her if he did explain why. My main thought is that, if the cops think he may be stalking her, then I think the cops have a legitimate reason to detain him until they get his information. If I watched the video right then I think that's where the cops messed up because they could have kept him there until he provided information or would be arrested. Because it was reasonable to assume he was stalking the lady at that time. It honestly scares me more that an actual stalker could argue with cops like this and get them to go away. Although I suppose a second cop call on that supposed stalker would yield more results since the cops would have even more reasonable suspicion.
Yeah but she called the cops which makes her a snitch. That’s not okay. She’s the new Tekashi 6ixNine. We should be bashing her, not him.
He has a responsibility to his client to not inform the officer he is a PI as the officer would then go tell the woman he is a PI.
I sort of agree and I say that because no matter what the lady assumed, we can't just assume he's guilty until proven innocent based off her suspicion without probable cause.
There is nothing unreasonable about protecting your identity.
"The fact I am exercising my rights does not mean I am not cooperating."
"Yes it does."
This line of thinking is beyond scary.
I don't think the officer had ill intention when he said that at all. I think he was merely just saying the guy isn't cooperating because he wouldn't speak. This one looks pretty hard to judge. They're trying to see if he's stalking someone and he wouldn't just simply say no and go on his way. Instead he was being a dick and luring them into an argument to inflate his ego. He should've simply stated he wasn't following the person.
@@illtoxic6 He *could have stated that, but exercising your rights doesn't mean that he was inflating his ego. He has every right to remain silent and as said, if ge said he was a PI then he'd jeopardize what he was set out to do.
Being within your rights doesn't necessarily mean you are cooperating. In this case, the officer is referring to the guy not helping his investigation, but the officer doesn't realize that PI helping their investigation could compromise his own investigation and PI can't tell him that because the officers or their department may report it back to the complainant. Things like this are why these rights exist. So technically he wasn't cooperating with their investigation, despite being within his rights. He was however cooperative in stopping his vehicle and engaging in civil discourse with them and that may be the way he meant it when he disagrees with the officer's assessment of his cooperation.
@@illtoxic6
It means exactly what he said. Exercising your rights makes you uncooperative. That is NOT tolerable. Not unless you're pro-police state.
@@xuto2693 I have no love for cops in general but things are very rarely this black and white. this guy was preventing the cops from following up a stalking complaint. remaining silent is his right but you can't pretend that remaining silent didn't directly prevented the cops from finding out if there was a stalker or not. I saw someone else here use this example... If you see a guy running away from the cops and they ask you where the dude went and you legally claim your right to silence you are within your rights.. yet if that guy was running from a murder/kidnaping/ anything bad, your silence would have directly caused the cops to fail because of your refusal to cooperate, even if it was your right to do so. This hypothetical situation is a good example of how remaining silent can be un-cooperative.
Perspective is just that. You have listen to the facts and /or statements within the conversation .
The problem with knowing our rights is that we aren't taught our rights.
NGL, kinda stupid to be following someone in a bright red vehicle. There's a reason Feds prefer black or gray cars that blend into the environment...
There are tactics private investigators use. Sometimes they want to be known. To possibly track drop spots, phone calls, if someone violates a restraining order...
For a long time red cars were the most likely to be in an accident simply because they were the most commonly colored car.
Don't think it's true anymore, white or black is probably your best bet now.
No doubt. He needs a gold Pontiac Firebird Esprit.
Evidently cops don't know what peoples' rights are until after they've already left their badge behind...
Maybe he left because he figured out that they expected him to violate people's rights.
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I get wanting to exercise one’s right but the lady doesn’t know he is a PI. All she knows is someone is following her and that scared the hell out of her. All the guy has to say is I am a PI and the cops leave .
I think they know people's rights. But because there is often little to no personal liability, they may disregard those rights. A police friend will likely tell you not to talk to the police.
How about that
suspicion of stalking - it's a lawful detainment
They ran his plates and knew who he was and what he was doing before they pulled him over.
I doubt I would hire this guy as a private investigator if he cannot follow 1 person without being spotted.
Any PI worth their salt would have vehicles registered in LLC or other names.
As a private investigator myself. It’s as simple as handing Over my ids along with telling them I have a firearm and I cannot tell them who or what I’m watching due to client privilege.
We’re not exempt from stalking laws!
So their are stalking laws! That pos PI is stalking! And being an ahole about it.
100% agree.
This is like me offering to do surgery on someone and them asking if I am a surgeon and me refusing to tell them.
In Virginia private investigators are exempt, regardless if they are acting in their official capacity.
@@Swaggmuffinable That sounds wrong. So you are saying a PI is allowed to stalk someone when it has nothing to do with any case they are working? I seriously doubt that would hold up.
12:04 the Driver is right. Just cause he doesn’t answer questions and invokes his 5th doesn’t mean he isn’t cooperating under the law.
Except that he's blatantly breaking the law by not identifying himself as a PI, right?
@@KrillixKai which florida law is that?
*Even better, he asked for an attorney* - same protection as right to remain silent, except you can continue to ask questions and make statements. Officers ask stupid questions like _"Why are you so hostile?"_ after invoking your right to remain silent because if you make any statement, you waive the right.
@@KrillixKai no answer😂
@@KrillixKai no, he doesn't have to identify himself as a PI. Though, if he did, the stop would have (probably) been much simpler. But, any citizen, PI or not, didn't have to present any information to the police without reasonable suspicion of committing a crime. This was an audit on what "reasonable suspicion" truly entails; can the word of one person generate reasonable suspicion if they know the color of the car? Wish there was a more defined precedent for these fringe/ gray cases
Suspicion of stalking should have been enough to stop and investigate him.
Me exercising my rights doesn’t make me uncooperative, yes, it actually does !
If he says that he’s a private investigator then they go tell her that he’s cover is blown. I don’t think he was giving cops a hard time because he was one of them at a point.
I love how the officer who initially stoped the PI just leaves and they bring three new officers to intimidate him.
What if he wasn't a P.I but actually a stalker, how would you feel then?
In PUA those cops would be called WhiteKnights. They are M'lady Simps
@@colinglen4505 what if he wasn't anything? And he gave them his information and now he has a stalking charge on his record? We can play the what if games but honestly what does it matter. He was legally stalking someone, so he was within his right to do so.
@@colinglen4505 there’s no “what if” just do your job correctly and uphold the constitution you swore to protect!
@@cmcrisp42 how the fuck would they know that? It's just stubbornness, many of these videos I agree with but this one was just stupid. He could have told them he was a PI and nothing else.
Him: "My exercising my rights does not mean that I'm not cooperating"
Cop: "Yes it does"
And there is the problem.
To be fair it does though. Not saying it's wrong but it is true that remaining silent or being combattive does not fit the term cooperating
@@miikavuorio9190 Well he is well within his rights to be uncooperative to the infringement of his rights.
@@Nostradevus1 I agree, he was rightfully uncooperative lol
@@Nostradevus1 You have the right to be uncooperative which means a right to refuse communication, but if you are innocent of commiting a crime - the goal should be in communicating your lawful and sanctioned activities, not being a slimy dickhead as an exersize of what you can do, and trying to bait an officer into causing a lawsuit. Glad that guy is an ex-cop, because he's toxic af.
Another problem lies with all the auditor comment sections i ever seen basically think the officer has to personally witness someone firing off a gun(just as an example) in order to detain someone. Im glad this narrator clarified that.
What I find suspicious is that the officers just drop the "are you an investigator?" the moment they start talking to him, It's like they were informed already by the "young lady"
He sounds like a cop!
"Was that so hard?"
"If you want to be a smart ass..."
"Please show me respect while I'm doing what I need to do"
It may have been a friend of the police that he was investigating. That's why he didn't identify himself.
PIs following women are checking fidelity for the husband (usually to set up for a favorable judgement from a divorce court), odds are she was either married to a cop or screwing around with a cop; hence why PI wasn’t gonna say what he was doing (especially if cop pulling him over is cop she is banging on the side)….