Nice video! At first I thought you rode all them shocks and actually tried them first hand- that would be sweet. But for heavier folks with Clevis bikes, this is a great resource- well done!
Great video thanks for putting that together looked like a lot of work! Rockshox coil superdeluxe ultimate 23 is compatible with turbo levo, there's a thread about it over on emtbforums where they (rockshox) first say that the steel shaft version of that coil is needed for Levos but then changes it to basically all their model year 23 ultimate coils work on Tlevos I've personally ran a 23 210x55 ultimate coil without any issues and now running a 23 230x65mm ultimate coil (which is batshit fantastic BTW) on my Tlevo without any issues and ride pretty aggressively.
That’s in my spread sheet 😉 . with official information from RS. except 230x65 is the problem shock due to length. I wouldn’t risk it with non steel shaft.
I concur, EXT ftw. Im living w two, storia v3 on my Dreadnought and an e-storia on my 2022 Turbo Levo w a Cascade Long stroke link. Longer stroke amplify shock yoke stress but EXT confirmed back in Nov 2022, their coil shocks will be fine, esp e-storia. I can confirm, I never had an issue since. In April 2023 I upgraded to the new cascade long stroke link where the lower link arms are connected eliminating side play. I've never had an issue w EXT. And they perform really well.
@OtterMTBtech one thing to note is that the price listed for the EXT shocks is not accurate. The price listed on the website for the Arma, e-Storia and Storia v3 shocks includes 2 coils in the price.
I've got the new rc2t rockshox coil shocks installed on my 2019 stumpy and 2023 stumpy EVO, with no problems whatsoever. I've got them both set up for down hill bike parks. They've stood up to all the torture I can give them
Fox says no. For all yoked bikes except ‘24 Specialized. Specialized website says DHX is ok, but they said it’s up to Fox, and no comment about their own website.
I think it comes down to neither brand wants to be liable. I have DHX on my Levo too. I think I will be ok because I don’t do big drops, but time will tell
If you're stuck with a yoke bike like a Spech and curious about Formula suspension, they have recently launched a "yoke compatible" version of the MOD. It appears physically identical, and Formula won't actually say what makes it yoke compatible, but at least you'll still have a warranty when it inevitably snaps.
@OtterMTBtech It is a fairly recent addition, seeing as I can still recall the Pinkbike press release, so I wouldn't be surprised if all used ones on the market are the "standard" model. Also, the only sign on the website is a single line on the Formula site product page, so it's unclear if it's actually available as a separate model, or just that you can pick if you order through Formula specifically. Why Formula didn't just update the MOD so they're all yoke compatible and save us from this confusion I'll never know.
I talked to a suspension shop and they told me not to put a coil on a levo. I've got one on my decoy and love it, a r.s. ultimate. Decided to put a vivid ultimate and a cascade link on my levo instead.
Interesting enough - In Norway and Sweden Push is by far the most expensive shock...BY FAR! On a second place we have the TTX22m.2, On a tied third we have FOX and EXT - but you get 2 springs and a custom tune on the EXT so I'd say the FOX is actually more expensive than EXT.
I wonder the rate of suspension failures on yoke and trunnion bikes vs the rest. Side loading issue never crossed my mind until watching Vorsprungs videos. Honestly, I’d rather just get a different bike over a brand that not all manufacturers products are compatible with.
I am tapped out in the expensive shocks. I absolutely love the EXT e-storia. I’m sure Vorspeung is good. No Tellum on the books I got in argument with Steve about his design choice with IFP vs bladder. I think the bladder is better he doesn’t with math equations( watch his video on the shock) Ride a bladder and IFP then make your choice
WOW... I will not take the amount of time that you have obviously made in gathering the info about both product quality and customer service. I just bought the EXT V4 STORIA for my steed... and was considering a fork upgrade to the 2024 Fox Factory 36 in limited gold. But after your review about their customer service... and what minor times that I have needed to get in touch with them... I think I will go with a different brand. Either EXT (just to match)... or with a brand that has the BEST tech...
It was thanks for feedback. Here is follow up rode them almost all. All Coil Shocks Ranked: An Unfiltered Review! th-cam.com/video/jS3kAbLZ0wI/w-d-xo.html V4 storia didn’t get too
When the shock is rigidly mounted in the bike aka specialized, or any trunion mount. The shock stanchion will twist and can let air in the oil and allot of problems
Another great video Bryan! I was absolutely 'coil curious' but thanks to your excellent Rockshox Super Deluxe trio comparison video I now know that air is a better choice for me. [Of course I threw that cash at a new wheelset!] SUBSCRIBED!!
Well to solve that issue is not to buy the kenevo then, kenevo comp and exp needed to be at least MX wheel set up. Kenevo sl had to be done as a full power bike and leave levo sl only.
Taiwán is a part of China (is complicated problema) but Taiwán is the best quality of China in bicycle products. Sr suntour made products to dvo. Dvo jade ≈ sr suntour voro coil Dvo use a others internals but is the same body.
Thank you Otter :) It was very informative and I have exactly that 2023 Kenevo with DHX coil, so I'm now reconsidering other brands and found your video. What is the best coil for Kenevo in your opinion?
I think what it comes down to is the shock’s shaft. What material and diameter. Steel and thicker is the key. Too bad nobody has the resources to test them all
Any air shock is fine, coils are a-little sketchy on the bike, but you just need to have a good serviced shock and steel stanchion. 4 years on the Kenevo no bike upgrade needed. The bike was made around a coil, it rides better and the sun tour coil is cheap and works great Suntour Voro Coil Shock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! th-cam.com/video/yTzIkOpEwCc/w-d-xo.html
@@OtterMTBtech I just got 2023 kenevo expert -50% discount here in europe. Would you recomend fox bushes for the stock du RS bushings? Would this help with stock shock long gevity (internal selas shaft and piston rings). I found few photos where the seals where worn and the steal shaft decoted.
@@ICEcoldNordicc The Fox hardware is better and easier, RS stuff works. I don't know anything about the Superdleuxe i cant get the steel shaft one in ameria
@@OtterMTBtech I cant find directly the steel shaft one here in europe. Seems like manifacturer only option and the public can by the alu shaft ones only from the retailers. There is steel shafts in the RS parts catalogue 2024 for all sizes so you could frankenstein one.
I looked into this and the steel shafts were sold out as well. There is a bike shop in Ukraine that stocks rare Rockshox products, which did deliver them in 1 month. It’s called bike up bike up
Formula isn't a newish brand. It was established in the late 70s, and they were pioneers in disc brake adaptation for MTB. They used to make amazing brakes. I haven't heard a lot about them recently tho.
@@OtterMTBtech I'm not here to argue but to my best knowledge, formula brakes waere available in the US in the 2000s then later in 2018 as well. I'm not sure about their suspension products or rider support but they used to focus on MX enduro stuff anyway but I may be wrong. The video is good and informative 👍
You could be right, was not on my radar tell this video. No one should doubt Italian suspension prowess. Fox had to eat Marzochi to keep them down. @@Atokhold
That's why I love my chinese aliexpress coil shock. Works well, cheap and easy to use. You'll just need a new spring for your weight. I put fox, DVO J&B and Rockshox spring and it works. I stayed with Fox springs but I could use any of them. DNM for the win!
@@OtterMTBtech locally ext has a distributor which is a gatekeeper for the brand. I find that unreliable and bad. hope new dealers/ service options come in soon.
Talking from personal experience, EXT is garbage, and dont care about their customers/riders. They were unalbe to get me a decent setup. And im italian on top of that. Cane creek is my shock of choice, but you need someone that does a base setup for it
Yeah, I actually learned this recently. Depends on what country are you in? Is how much service you get the USA EXT dealer is legend but everyone saying they’re absolute rubbish around the world.
Nice video! At first I thought you rode all them shocks and actually tried them first hand- that would be sweet. But for heavier folks with Clevis bikes, this is a great resource- well done!
Hey Jeff thanks. I enjoy your videos, just never comment 🤙
looks like a lot of hard work making this review, well done
Was more work then I signed up for, but helps people hopefully.
Probably the most helpful video I’ve seen in the last few months. Thanks!
Great to hear!
Great video thanks for putting that together looked like a lot of work!
Rockshox coil superdeluxe ultimate 23 is compatible with turbo levo, there's a thread about it over on emtbforums where they (rockshox) first say that the steel shaft version of that coil is needed for Levos but then changes it to basically all their model year 23 ultimate coils work on Tlevos
I've personally ran a 23 210x55 ultimate coil without any issues and now running a 23 230x65mm ultimate coil (which is batshit fantastic BTW) on my Tlevo without any issues and ride pretty aggressively.
That’s in my spread sheet 😉 . with official information from RS. except 230x65 is the problem shock due to length. I wouldn’t risk it with non steel shaft.
I concur, EXT ftw. Im living w two, storia v3 on my Dreadnought and an e-storia on my 2022 Turbo Levo w a Cascade Long stroke link. Longer stroke amplify shock yoke stress but EXT confirmed back in Nov 2022, their coil shocks will be fine, esp e-storia. I can confirm, I never had an issue since. In April 2023 I upgraded to the new cascade long stroke link where the lower link arms are connected eliminating side play. I've never had an issue w EXT. And they perform really well.
How long have you been riding it with a cascade leak? 230x65 is the problem size shock that likes to break
@@OtterMTBtech been riding with 230x65 e-Storia on the Turbo Levo since Nov 2022. No problems at all
@OtterMTBtech one thing to note is that the price listed for the EXT shocks is not accurate. The price listed on the website for the Arma, e-Storia and Storia v3 shocks includes 2 coils in the price.
this, and also custom tuned for your weight and suspension platform. Love my EXT coil and fork, top notch product!
That’s for comment that’s a big typo. I didn’t read all the fine print. Once you ride a EXT it’s hard to turn back
I've got the new rc2t rockshox coil shocks installed on my 2019 stumpy and 2023 stumpy EVO, with no problems whatsoever. I've got them both set up for down hill bike parks. They've stood up to all the torture I can give them
Plz make that spread sheet available in google docs and link to in voder description, thx.
done
I’m confused because I bought a dhx for my Levo on the fact that specialized lists it as approved
Fox says no. For all yoked bikes except ‘24 Specialized. Specialized website says DHX is ok, but they said it’s up to Fox, and no comment about their own website.
@@OtterMTBtech that sucks I ordered after reading it on compatible parts
It very well could be. Hopefully this videos stirs the pot so Fox will update their guidelines
I think it comes down to neither brand wants to be liable. I have DHX on my Levo too. I think I will be ok because I don’t do big drops, but time will tell
If you're stuck with a yoke bike like a Spech and curious about Formula suspension, they have recently launched a "yoke compatible" version of the MOD.
It appears physically identical, and Formula won't actually say what makes it yoke compatible, but at least you'll still have a warranty when it inevitably snaps.
I haven’t seen them for sale
@OtterMTBtech It is a fairly recent addition, seeing as I can still recall the Pinkbike press release, so I wouldn't be surprised if all used ones on the market are the "standard" model.
Also, the only sign on the website is a single line on the Formula site product page, so it's unclear if it's actually available as a separate model, or just that you can pick if you order through Formula specifically.
Why Formula didn't just update the MOD so they're all yoke compatible and save us from this confusion I'll never know.
I talked to a suspension shop and they told me not to put a coil on a levo. I've got one on my decoy and love it, a r.s. ultimate. Decided to put a vivid ultimate and a cascade link on my levo instead.
Well if you get coil curious, you know where to look
Interesting enough - In Norway and Sweden Push is by far the most expensive shock...BY FAR!
On a second place we have the TTX22m.2,
On a tied third we have FOX and EXT - but you get 2 springs and a custom tune on the EXT so I'd say the FOX is actually more expensive than EXT.
I wonder the rate of suspension failures on yoke and trunnion bikes vs the rest. Side loading issue never crossed my mind until watching Vorsprungs videos. Honestly, I’d rather just get a different bike over a brand that not all manufacturers products are compatible with.
Did you had a chance to try Vorsprung Telum. Can’t decide between it and the Ext Storia V4
I am tapped out in the expensive shocks. I absolutely love the EXT e-storia. I’m sure Vorspeung is good.
No Tellum on the books I got in argument with Steve about his design choice with IFP vs bladder. I think the bladder is better he doesn’t with math equations( watch his video on the shock)
Ride a bladder and IFP then make your choice
WOW... I will not take the amount of time that you have obviously made in gathering the info about both product quality and customer service.
I just bought the EXT V4 STORIA for my steed... and was considering a fork upgrade to the 2024 Fox Factory 36 in limited gold. But after your review about their customer service... and what minor times that I have needed to get in touch with them... I think I will go with a different brand. Either EXT (just to match)... or with a brand that has the BEST tech...
It was thanks for feedback. Here is follow up rode them almost all. All Coil Shocks Ranked: An Unfiltered Review!
th-cam.com/video/jS3kAbLZ0wI/w-d-xo.html
V4 storia didn’t get too
YESSSSSSSS THANKS i couldn’t find a video on this i just wanted to know also love the vid super well made
@@nuts3675 working on part 2 rode most of them! Thanks for comment
Serious Question, what does side loading mean?
When the shock is rigidly mounted in the bike aka specialized, or any trunion mount. The shock stanchion will twist and can let air in the oil and allot of problems
Another great video Bryan! I was absolutely 'coil curious' but thanks to your excellent Rockshox Super Deluxe trio comparison video I now know that air is a better choice for me. [Of course I threw that cash at a new wheelset!] SUBSCRIBED!!
😎 glad it helped
Well to solve that issue is not to buy the kenevo then, kenevo comp and exp needed to be at least MX wheel set up. Kenevo sl had to be done as a full power bike and leave levo sl only.
Agree, mine is 29er. That yoke is a pain and Kenevo SL has seat tube.
Super wrong on the Suntour. Made in Taiwan and 11 different coils available from Suntour.
Heaviest spring is 550.
Taiwán is a part of China (is complicated problema) but Taiwán is the best quality of China in bicycle products.
Sr suntour made products to dvo.
Dvo jade ≈ sr suntour voro coil
Dvo use a others internals but is the same body.
Thank you Otter :) It was very informative and I have exactly that 2023 Kenevo with DHX coil, so I'm now reconsidering other brands and found your video. What is the best coil for Kenevo in your opinion?
Ext is best , sun tour 2nd best
I think what it comes down to is the shock’s shaft. What material and diameter. Steel and thicker is the key. Too bad nobody has the resources to test them all
Cane creek wrote me letter that best explained it check the spread sheet
Hey what about air shock for the kenevos? what brands or models can we use? or are the air cans better for them?
Any air shock is fine, coils are a-little sketchy on the bike, but you just need to have a good serviced shock and steel stanchion. 4 years on the Kenevo no bike upgrade needed.
The bike was made around a coil, it rides better and the sun tour coil is cheap and works great
Suntour Voro Coil Shock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
th-cam.com/video/yTzIkOpEwCc/w-d-xo.html
@@OtterMTBtech I just got 2023 kenevo expert -50% discount here in europe. Would you recomend fox bushes for the stock du RS bushings? Would this help with stock shock long gevity (internal selas shaft and piston rings). I found few photos where the seals where worn and the steal shaft decoted.
@@ICEcoldNordicc The Fox hardware is better and easier, RS stuff works. I don't know anything about the Superdleuxe i cant get the steel shaft one in ameria
@@OtterMTBtech I cant find directly the steel shaft one here in europe. Seems like manifacturer only option and the public can by the alu shaft ones only from the retailers. There is steel shafts in the RS parts catalogue 2024 for all sizes so you could frankenstein one.
I looked into this and the steel shafts were sold out as well. There is a bike shop in Ukraine that stocks rare Rockshox products, which did deliver them in 1 month.
It’s called bike up bike up
X-fusion coil shocks. try'em they r great
Discontinued, coil, shock
@@OtterMTBtech Dartmoor bikes come with it, on their frame only options (Thunderbird FR & SE) till to this day. That's weird
That’s what the website said because I was curious about them
Amazing video!
Thanks!
Bomber with Avalanche tune FTW
Bro the tune is more than the shock is it that much better
Formula isn't a newish brand. It was established in the late 70s, and they were pioneers in disc brake adaptation for MTB. They used to make amazing brakes. I haven't heard a lot about them recently tho.
New to USA
@@OtterMTBtech I'm not here to argue but to my best knowledge, formula brakes waere available in the US in the 2000s then later in 2018 as well. I'm not sure about their suspension products or rider support but they used to focus on MX enduro stuff anyway but I may be wrong.
The video is good and informative 👍
You could be right, was not on my radar tell this video. No one should doubt Italian suspension prowess. Fox had to eat Marzochi to keep them down. @@Atokhold
10/10 video
That's a weird looking cursor
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That's why I love my chinese aliexpress coil shock. Works well, cheap and easy to use. You'll just need a new spring for your weight. I put fox, DVO J&B and Rockshox spring and it works. I stayed with Fox springs but I could use any of them. DNM for the win!
Just looked that up looks like a sun tour
EXT biggest than Ohlins?? What?
otter.. what tools should i get for a started kit for shock service?
EXT has awesome customer support to get you right. Shock service? Like change oil and seals in it?
@@OtterMTBtech locally ext has a distributor which is a gatekeeper for the brand. I find that unreliable and bad. hope new dealers/ service options come in soon.
Where you at?
@@OtterMTBtech I’m at Perú
Formula is not new at all, it's an italian brand, and make fork, shock,brake, ecc...
Newer to USA market.
Talking from personal experience, EXT is garbage, and dont care about their customers/riders. They were unalbe to get me a decent setup. And im italian on top of that.
Cane creek is my shock of choice, but you need someone that does a base setup for it
Yeah, I actually learned this recently. Depends on what country are you in? Is how much service you get the USA EXT dealer is legend but everyone saying they’re absolute rubbish around the world.
first
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easy, don't buy shit specy bikes
What you ride?
@@OtterMTBtech easy to see on my channel
Regardless I’ll stay away from clevis mount
Too many problems