Good review. I just picked up a storia s, but having setup issues. Small bump chatter is getting sent straight to my hands. No forearm pump but any type of high frequency is going to my fingertips were after 4 runs I can’t grip the handle bars anymore. Almost thinking it’s too much preload? Or do you think this could be that the coil is packing? I’m 160lbs on a 375 (recommended by ext) and Lsc8 hsc9 rebound7 counting from open
What fork and bike? Sounds like Zeb up front The shock is sensitive to setup and the USA dealer will help you. That allot of compression. The lsc is strong I would back it down to no more than 5. HSC I use as bottom out control, like 5 clicks, Slightly under spring it from the TF tuned calculator allowing HBO HSC to stop harsh bottom out, that’s how I got the magic feel. The compression caches you on big hits small bump is insane
@@OtterMTBtech I have a SC Nomad v6, I’m running a 38 up front sitting with 3 tokens, 85psi, lsc3, hsc5, lsr3, hsr4 counting from open. Actually got the set up from the ext supplier and they dialed it in. Interesting how you’re saying open up the compression on the shock. I’ve been reading up on how the shock might be the leading issue to this fingertip harshness. As of right now it’s been interesting, haven’t found that small bump sensitivity and when I’m going downhill the bike has become insanely slow and doesn’t pick up speed at all…. Hoping to get it dialed in to experience this insane traction
@@jimmyjimson6229 Your fork is setup wrong unless your doing 40 foot drops on free ride, 38 grip 2? Tune the shock on the first from fully open compression, then tune the fork from full open compression, 3 tokens in a 180mm fork is allot. Those sound like Greg Minar setting for world Cup race, not saying your not a Talented, but
I've used 2024 Fox X2, 2023 Super Deluxe Ultimate coil, Ohlins TTx22m, and the Storia V3 on my enduro bike. Can confirm, Storia is the best feeling shock I've ever used. Ohlins feels very good but much different than the Storia. The X2 and Super Deluxe didn't feel bad, just not on the level of the Storia and Ohlins.
@@OtterMTBtech I found the Ohlins was the easiest to get feeling good mainly because it has less adjustment with only two positions for the high speed compression. With the Storia I feel like I'm able to dial in the shock a little better because there is more granular adjustment available compared to the Ohlins and Rockshox. Since the Rockshox only has 4 clicks on low and highspeed compression I can't get it to feel quite as good because the gaps in adjustment are so wide. But it's hard to screw it up at the same time. I'm able to get all the shocks to feel good enough that I wouldn't complain too much if I was forced to run any of them. The biggest downside to the Storia is the rebound adjustment range is very small and you only have adjustment range for about two spring rates. If you're outside those two then you might need to get the shock tune changed to get the rebound correct. This applies to the Ohlins to a lesser degree. Rebound range on the Rockshox seems fairly broad. The Ohlins and EXT are noticeably most sensitive than the Rockshox to me.
Otter - do you still have a regular v3 storia in your stash? EXT told me those thrust bearings on the v3-s wouldn’t fit a v3 and I don’t believe them! I want to use them to reduce a coil creak
It’s hella active coil. Setup or hitting lock lever would fix it. Some other coils I tried move slower feel better in wet steep conditions Top-Quality Pasta vs Budget Ramen th-cam.com/video/Ik7l0WAfBik/w-d-xo.html
@@OtterMTBtech i have an ext and have expensive time on cane creek kitsuma coil and MRP Hazzard. I personally find thatball is down to setup and that the EXT can ride a wide range of spring rate thanks to A the HBO anf B thanks to how great the damping feels. I can get that sucker super sticky that hugs the trail so damn tight it's like velcroed on - but still not feels dead when you need to move it. So I don't really agree with you. Setup is super importants and knowing what you want and need is even more important. I do, however agree with you that all coils are not created equally and that the have som traits that will influence the way you need tonset it up to make it feel good for you. With that said I really miss thengöued on feeling I have with the EXT but I am not having the super damped ride i set up with the Kitsuma. Paris great with a Öhlins fork or a Mezzer Pro with some extra comp damping added. 👍 Feels super stable👍
Just got an EXT Storia v3 for my Norco Sight. Fucking love this thing! I'm a big guy (210 lbs) and the Super Deluxe w/ MegNeg it came with was not doing it for me. Almost capped out the max PSI. It rides so great. Better climber and descender now.
I got the 205x65 fomula MOD for the Jeckyll but it came with a 300 lbs light spring I never got to install it because I wasn't sure about getting a EXT instead or ordering the right spring 🤔
@@OtterMTBtechbig selling factor of the ext is that it’s tuned to your weight and frame. This is a used oem shock that could be from a different frame with different kinematics tuned for a 60kg rider. Saying a shock needs no tune and excuse to hide performance makes no sense.
I had to send it in. No seals no information. They have a low gas charge so they need se vice more frequently. Traded my ohlins shock for e storia and it. It blew up before I could ride it.
Did you use same sag with the shocks you comparing this? The EXT has lower internal spring rate (lower damping oil pressure) according to your testing with the weight scale and you use lower rate spring on it so the ride height must be lower also. You can't get around it by changing damping. Every suspension set up should be started by setting up sag and rebound. You skpiped this step and started changing every possible adjustment all at once rather than doing bracketing.
Great shock... When they work. I've had to do a full rebuild on mine 3 times. Get about 4/5 hours riding out of it before it blows and your frame is covered in oil. Wouldn't recommend for the price.
I've had my Storia on several successive bikes now, put hundreds of miles on it, never an issue. Sorry to hear your experience, but the reliable reputation of these was one of the reasons I bought it, and the backup in the UK from Mojo is exceptional. Your experience is perfectly valid, but for balance, these are generally well reputed as very reliable.
Otter! Awesome channel, wish I could play with high-end suspension all day on my e-bike like you and make vids about my experiences, ha! Anyways, seen both your vids on the e-storia and Ohlins, and you eluded to the idea that they both have very similar designs and features. I guess my question is: do you think the Ohlins is simply a cheaper version of the ext (seeing how the shaft is smaller)? Is there a major feel difference or reason to choose one over the other, aside from price? I'm a heavier rider at 275lbs, and looking to put the cascade components long link on my s4 turbo levo, but not sure if the EXT or Ohlins would be the "best" way to go? I am planning on upgrading my fork to the Ohlins RFX38, as I loved the 36 on my stumpy evo, given that you have total control over ramp-up, compression characteristics, and mid-stroke is great for heavier riders. With that, I'm leaning towards the Ohlins to match the fork, unless there's some compelling reason to pick the EXT that you can think of? Like because of my weight or something else? Would love to hear your thoughts! Thanks again!!!
Cool to match it up ext looks cooler. Your weight may be kinda dangerous on coil on Levo. The system weight bike rider is usually 300 lbs. may be wrong there. I’m 220 friend is 240 we both ride about the same 600 lb spring I narrowed his bike cascade link for a while. Talk to cascade about weight first
I’m about to do the same. Picked up a used E-Storia that was tuned for a 110kg rider with a long shock kit. I’m 275 currently and not an overly aggressive rider. Hoping the addition progression and shock stroke will allow for better shock tuning
Great reviews and nice to see your broad spectrum from Suntour right through to Push. Not just Fox and Rockshox. I am very interested in the EXT Storia V3 and am considering it for my Spesh T. Levo Gen 3. 210x55 I believe. I ride an allow version. I'm about your size at under 215 lbs wet. I still have the Fox X2 (not factory) and its OK... What size of spring (s) do you recommend with the Storia? Considering weight? Cheers. Keep up great content.
I forgot to mention the noise, I thought it sounded incredibly good this shock with the bladder IFP. The Arma noise was not the best sound in my opinion
So here’s my secret set up working on a video to teach people about it. You need to make sure you are under sprung on that shock like 20 to 50 pounds under. Then you’re going to close the compression full clockwise completely full on compression Run about seven or eight clicks of rebound Your mind will blow
@@OtterMTBtech have you tried over stroking the rear? Went to a 65 stroke. Made rear travel 187. Kept the 27.5 wheels and did that! Feels good! Also I see you took off dual crown. You like it ? I just swapped out mine for a Zeb 190
@@JOE-uq8oh I think it's more preference as both dampers are plenty capable. Personally, I like the IFP in the reservoir rather than the bladder, but the V3-S also uses an internal negative coil that allows it to be much softer off-the-top. Steel shaft adds some weight, as well as durability. Additionally, the V3-S and e-Storia use a different piston holder, hence the difference in noise output compared to the Arma/Storia V3.
@@OtterMTBtech actually it’s not. I can’t remember the exact tolerances. But, fox tolerances for spring rate is +/- 30%. Whereas the 11/6 spring is +/- 8% and the Ext is +/- 5%. The Ext is a far superior spring when it comes to quality. You are far more likely to get a 550lbs spring from Ext over Push or Fox. Rockshox or other spring manufacturers didn’t come up in conversation when getting my bike set up with a suspension tech.
Would be interesting if you got hold of one of the Cane Creek Tigon shocks next. Dont see any good videos on them.
I'm curious as well but I have some major doubts, so I'm holding off for now .
@@rickywoods3101it's not like if it was cheap and readily available on the used market "just to try"
Look very promising, I’ll get to it one of these days, but the Fox Rockshox gets more views
@@OtterMTBtech That's a very honest answer!
Where is the Push 11.6 video?
I want to see a comparison between them as they are the upper echelon of what an MTB suspension can provide.
I know he tried one recently, Probably just in the backlog or in editing.
Push 11-6 VS EXT e-Storia
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Shock looks mint
How about BOS suspension. It came out with forks and air and coil rear shocks
Just saw prices ouch
Did he just Ducktaped his broken frame u can see at 7:14?😅
The camera is taped in and it was placed bad making break look
I have a e storia best rear shock I’ve ever used fast rebound and stays composed on chattery stuff
Agree
Good review. I just picked up a storia s, but having setup issues. Small bump chatter is getting sent straight to my hands. No forearm pump but any type of high frequency is going to my fingertips were after 4 runs I can’t grip the handle bars anymore. Almost thinking it’s too much preload? Or do you think this could be that the coil is packing? I’m 160lbs on a 375 (recommended by ext) and Lsc8 hsc9 rebound7 counting from open
What fork and bike? Sounds like Zeb up front
The shock is sensitive to setup and the USA dealer will help you. That allot of compression. The lsc is strong I would back it down to no more than 5. HSC I use as bottom out control, like 5 clicks, Slightly under spring it from the TF tuned calculator allowing HBO HSC to stop harsh bottom out, that’s how I got the magic feel. The compression caches you on big hits small bump is insane
@@OtterMTBtech I have a SC Nomad v6, I’m running a 38 up front sitting with 3 tokens, 85psi, lsc3, hsc5, lsr3, hsr4 counting from open. Actually got the set up from the ext supplier and they dialed it in.
Interesting how you’re saying open up the compression on the shock. I’ve been reading up on how the shock might be the leading issue to this fingertip harshness. As of right now it’s been interesting, haven’t found that small bump sensitivity and when I’m going downhill the bike has become insanely slow and doesn’t pick up speed at all…. Hoping to get it dialed in to experience this insane traction
@@jimmyjimson6229 Your fork is setup wrong unless your doing 40 foot drops on free ride, 38 grip 2? Tune the shock on the first from fully open compression, then tune the fork from full open compression, 3 tokens in a 180mm fork is allot. Those sound like Greg Minar setting for world Cup race, not saying your not a Talented, but
They are loud and impossible to make quiet in my experience
I've used 2024 Fox X2, 2023 Super Deluxe Ultimate coil, Ohlins TTx22m, and the Storia V3 on my enduro bike. Can confirm, Storia is the best feeling shock I've ever used. Ohlins feels very good but much different than the Storia. The X2 and Super Deluxe didn't feel bad, just not on the level of the Storia and Ohlins.
Just finished ohlins video, I think ext is better. Ohlins is like Rockshox easier to tune. What’s your thoughts
@@OtterMTBtech I found the Ohlins was the easiest to get feeling good mainly because it has less adjustment with only two positions for the high speed compression. With the Storia I feel like I'm able to dial in the shock a little better because there is more granular adjustment available compared to the Ohlins and Rockshox. Since the Rockshox only has 4 clicks on low and highspeed compression I can't get it to feel quite as good because the gaps in adjustment are so wide. But it's hard to screw it up at the same time. I'm able to get all the shocks to feel good enough that I wouldn't complain too much if I was forced to run any of them. The biggest downside to the Storia is the rebound adjustment range is very small and you only have adjustment range for about two spring rates. If you're outside those two then you might need to get the shock tune changed to get the rebound correct. This applies to the Ohlins to a lesser degree. Rebound range on the Rockshox seems fairly broad. The Ohlins and EXT are noticeably most sensitive than the Rockshox to me.
Otter - do you still have a regular v3 storia in your stash? EXT told me those thrust bearings on the v3-s wouldn’t fit a v3 and I don’t believe them! I want to use them to reduce a coil creak
They know their products really good I would stray.
What is the reason for the EXT not really doing well on a steep rooty descents? Some context to your findings would be good.
It’s hella active coil. Setup or hitting lock lever would fix it. Some other coils I tried move slower feel better in wet steep conditions Top-Quality Pasta vs Budget Ramen
th-cam.com/video/Ik7l0WAfBik/w-d-xo.html
@@OtterMTBtech i have an ext and have expensive time on cane creek kitsuma coil and MRP Hazzard. I personally find thatball is down to setup and that the EXT can ride a wide range of spring rate thanks to A the HBO anf B thanks to how great the damping feels. I can get that sucker super sticky that hugs the trail so damn tight it's like velcroed on - but still not feels dead when you need to move it. So I don't really agree with you. Setup is super importants and knowing what you want and need is even more important.
I do, however agree with you that all coils are not created equally and that the have som traits that will influence the way you need tonset it up to make it feel good for you.
With that said I really miss thengöued on feeling I have with the EXT but I am not having the super damped ride i set up with the Kitsuma. Paris great with a Öhlins fork or a Mezzer Pro with some extra comp damping added. 👍 Feels super stable👍
Good to see a comparison between the EXT and 11/6
What’s your jam?
@@OtterMTBtech in what sense?
Just got an EXT Storia v3 for my Norco Sight. Fucking love this thing! I'm a big guy (210 lbs) and the Super Deluxe w/ MegNeg it came with was not doing it for me. Almost capped out the max PSI. It rides so great. Better climber and descender now.
Being a bigger guy than you at 230. The Superdeluxe is awful all around does nothing good
@@OtterMTBtech I actually got mine used but it came off a Sight. 600lb spring. Seems to work really well!
Will this one clear on the 2022+ cannondale jeckyll? I know the rockshox coil would clear.
I have installed the e-Storia onto a 2022 Jekyll, so I can only assume all their models would fit.
@@geerumm ya they haven't changed since 2022. Thanks
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your zip tie fix for the calipers is funny, if you have a 3d printer i believe that wee door is on one of the sites to make haha
It’s a shock spacer and zip tie hahaha
I got the 205x65 fomula MOD for the Jeckyll but it came with a 300 lbs light spring I never got to install it because I wasn't sure about getting a EXT instead or ordering the right spring 🤔
Get the right spring you have it
Formula told me the shock wouldnt for the new Jekyll 😮.
Would be interesting to see the differences if you have the shock tuned for your weight and the bike
A good shock needs no tune. Thats an excuse for bad performance. It doesn’t hurt
@@OtterMTBtechbig selling factor of the ext is that it’s tuned to your weight and frame. This is a used oem shock that could be from a different frame with different kinematics tuned for a 60kg rider. Saying a shock needs no tune and excuse to hide performance makes no sense.
@@dtran1742 I said this is the best shock I ever used. And yes it was used. So you could except better results with a tune. What’s the problem here?
Great video Otter! Did you have any chance to service this shock yourself? There is nothing on the internet for EXT products unfortunately
I had to send it in. No seals no information. They have a low gas charge so they need se vice more frequently. Traded my ohlins shock for e storia and it. It blew up before I could ride it.
Yes
Did you use same sag with the shocks you comparing this? The EXT has lower internal spring rate (lower damping oil pressure) according to your testing with the weight scale and you use lower rate spring on it so the ride height must be lower also. You can't get around it by changing damping. Every suspension set up should be started by setting up sag and rebound. You skpiped this step and started changing every possible adjustment all at once rather than doing bracketing.
Did you watch the video? I could only understand spring it 15lbs. Because of this shock not having external HBO in this budget model
Awesome review! Does the EXT spring fit the Rockshox coil?
With adapters, yes.
EXT is like the Italian BOS working on WRC cars, MX, MTB etc.
What’s bos
Did you experience any difference using the different springs? Just bought an e-storia and running a Sprindex atm. No BS the shock is awesome 🙂
I used the EXT spring on Ohlins and it made it better. I would with hindsight use the sprindex to find the right spring then get a EXT spring after
Great shock... When they work. I've had to do a full rebuild on mine 3 times. Get about 4/5 hours riding out of it before it blows and your frame is covered in oil. Wouldn't recommend for the price.
Can you rebuild it at home? sorry to hear that.
I've had my Storia on several successive bikes now, put hundreds of miles on it, never an issue. Sorry to hear your experience, but the reliable reputation of these was one of the reasons I bought it, and the backup in the UK from Mojo is exceptional. Your experience is perfectly valid, but for balance, these are generally well reputed as very reliable.
Otter! Awesome channel, wish I could play with high-end suspension all day on my e-bike like you and make vids about my experiences, ha! Anyways, seen both your vids on the e-storia and Ohlins, and you eluded to the idea that they both have very similar designs and features. I guess my question is: do you think the Ohlins is simply a cheaper version of the ext (seeing how the shaft is smaller)? Is there a major feel difference or reason to choose one over the other, aside from price? I'm a heavier rider at 275lbs, and looking to put the cascade components long link on my s4 turbo levo, but not sure if the EXT or Ohlins would be the "best" way to go? I am planning on upgrading my fork to the Ohlins RFX38, as I loved the 36 on my stumpy evo, given that you have total control over ramp-up, compression characteristics, and mid-stroke is great for heavier riders. With that, I'm leaning towards the Ohlins to match the fork, unless there's some compelling reason to pick the EXT that you can think of? Like because of my weight or something else? Would love to hear your thoughts! Thanks again!!!
Cool to match it up ext looks cooler. Your weight may be kinda dangerous on coil on Levo. The system weight bike rider is usually 300 lbs. may be wrong there.
I’m 220 friend is 240 we both ride about the same 600 lb spring I narrowed his bike cascade link for a while. Talk to cascade about weight first
I’m about to do the same. Picked up a used E-Storia that was tuned for a 110kg rider with a long shock kit. I’m 275 currently and not an overly aggressive rider. Hoping the addition progression and shock stroke will allow for better shock tuning
I thought just the new Push shock has HBO?
Yes
Great reviews and nice to see your broad spectrum from Suntour right through to Push. Not just Fox and Rockshox. I am very interested in the EXT Storia V3 and am considering it for my Spesh T. Levo Gen 3. 210x55 I believe. I ride an allow version. I'm about your size at under 215 lbs wet. I still have the Fox X2 (not factory) and its OK... What size of spring (s) do you recommend with the Storia? Considering weight? Cheers. Keep up great content.
I’m on 570, 550 of ext, call them they make the shock for you best upgrade ever literally 🔥
Got it V3 on my enduro. Swapped for x2 to service, x2 feels like pogo stick. Ext makes annoying noises, clicking sound, noticeable when pedaling.
You can have the check-ball removed to quiet the shock slghtly, but EXT suspension is inherently louder than other brands.
I forgot to mention the noise, I thought it sounded incredibly good this shock with the bladder IFP. The Arma noise was not the best sound in my opinion
How many clicks did you end up with on LSC/HSC/HBO/Rebound?
What bike and weight are you?
@@OtterMTBtech Orbea Wild H10 2023 105kg geared up or 231lbs
So here’s my secret set up working on a video to teach people about it. You need to make sure you are under sprung on that shock like 20 to 50 pounds under.
Then you’re going to close the compression full clockwise completely full on compression
Run about seven or eight clicks of rebound
Your mind will blow
Two clicks from fully minus or fully fast what’s the compressions on it allow you to run more rebound. This does not work unless it’s under sprung.
@@OtterMTBtech I', running a Sprindex 540-610
Is that a kenevo or levo you are riding?
29er Kenevo
@@OtterMTBtech have you tried over stroking the rear? Went to a 65 stroke. Made rear travel 187. Kept the 27.5 wheels and did that! Feels good! Also I see you took off dual crown. You like it ? I just swapped out mine for a Zeb 190
Can’t go wrong with the bike I rode it like that as well. I’m currently running it with 230x57 shock, 170 fork. Full 29er flip chip low.
What's the difference with this compared to the normal ext v3?
V3-S uses a bladder rather than IFP, has a steel stanchion and has an internal negative spring.
@@geerumm thank you because I currently have the v3, how about the performance, is it better?
@@JOE-uq8oh I think it's more preference as both dampers are plenty capable. Personally, I like the IFP in the reservoir rather than the bladder, but the V3-S also uses an internal negative coil that allows it to be much softer off-the-top. Steel shaft adds some weight, as well as durability. Additionally, the V3-S and e-Storia use a different piston holder, hence the difference in noise output compared to the Arma/Storia V3.
Funny he must be a ext employee
@@OtterMTBtech Not exactly... EXT dealer and service center. Plus I have them on all my personal bikes.
Vivid or Ext Storia?
You want a ford ranger or a Ferrari that is up to you
@@OtterMTBtech touché
What’s your riding weight?
235 lb
My opinion is that the 11.6 needs an HBO or I'm not interested
guess what, it has.
Does it?
Unless they've removed it
I read their website it said it had it.
Wait. You said the ext shock wasn’t good on steep wet and rooty? That makes no sense whatsoever. Coils are best for that
This guy says a lot of things that I dont agree with. He sounds like an expert but you can tell he’s still learning
I thought exactly the same, coil shocks are ideal for improved grip on loose and slippery surfaces
Your taking it out of context. I said it was not the super star on that section and the shock setup could fix that. Or hitting the climb lever
Mountain bikes suspension company & frame manufacturer was expecting the whole world involved in the scene, they forgot the currency exchange
I don’t get it?
expensive.
This is true
Not cheap at £900 whats a cheap good budget coil shock
Suntour Voro Coil Shock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have a EXT spring on a 11/6
Spring is a spring
@@OtterMTBtech actually it’s not. I can’t remember the exact tolerances. But, fox tolerances for spring rate is +/- 30%. Whereas the 11/6 spring is +/- 8% and the Ext is +/- 5%.
The Ext is a far superior spring when it comes to quality. You are far more likely to get a 550lbs spring from Ext over Push or Fox. Rockshox or other spring manufacturers didn’t come up in conversation when getting my bike set up with a suspension tech.
It is not the e-storia model. It simply storia.
It’s the same internals and shaft as e storia in the normal storia chassis. Said it 5 times 😎
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