"Don't Add Bananas to Your Berry Smoothie" Response
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A recent study came out that would lead one to believe that adding bananas to smoothies that have berries 'destroys their nutritional content.' Let's look at the research!
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PPO Cannot Degrade Anthocyanins Directly:
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"Acylated anthocyanins are degraded by polyphenol oxidase."
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Vitamin C: "In lettuce, the addition of ascorbic acid directly inhibited PPO activity."
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Love how the same people who villainize potatoes, grains, legumes, and fruit also go to great lengths to ignore all the research showing how harmful animal products are. Almost as if it's all motivated reasoning in the first place. 🙄
Even more irritating to me is how many of these people act as if animal suffering doesn’t exist at all.
there is no real study, showing the harm of animal products or red meat. If you have a real study of that, please, point it out.
lmfao@@jannetranberg7186
yeah there is and its half way to a hundred years old. Ancel Keys's studies hold strong still today as some of the most reliable studies of nutrition in human history.
if you want to hear a debunker who studied his research look into Plant Chompers, a youtuber scientist who loves nutrition and spends tons of time and money making the investigations for us FOR FREE @@jannetranberg7186
@@jannetranberg7186 International Agency for Research on Cancer Monographs 2015
Glad you clarified because I was like WTF. Blueberries and bananas are my main combo in smoothies - it's also nice to know about the cinnamon because I always add 1/2 tsp as well as a few drops of caramel extract for flavor.
I dunno, might be the reason you look purple.
If you freeze the bananas that may slow down the PPO activity a bit, giving you a bit of more time to drink the smoothie without degrading the A.O.'s.
@@justinw1765 Yeah, they go into the freezer pretty quickly because of fruit flies. Really hate those suckers.
And vitamin C as well? So add some cinnamon and vitamin C? I use Camu Camu powder for the vitamin C.
I thought people were just going bananas over this and were berry wrong about some things. Orange you all glad Mic smoothied out the details? 😉
I walnut dignify that with a response.
This comment was very a-peeling
Bye 👋
The puns in this thread should be criminally prosecuted 😂
@@Mark_Wheeler so I guess you're not going to give me any flax for my comment 😉😁
@@wildernessisland2573 thank you berry much! 🙏💚😁
Loved this! I just started sharing videos on my TH-cam channel about how our family of 4 has maintained a WFPB diet for the past 14 years. Keeping it simple and eating whole plant foods has been key for us!
My daily smoothie consists of arugula, baby lettuce, celery, apple cider vinegar, flax, hemp and black cumin seeds. It tastes like a fresh mowed lawn and I love it. If I'm in a wild and crazy mood, I'll add some frozen wild blueberries, but usually I keep it savory, not sweet. (PS... Yes, I add lots of cold water too. It's like a green juice,)
That’s actually awesome 😂 I love drinking straight up grass
Seek help
Wow! I have to try this exact recipe out of total respect and admiration for your effort. Wish me luck 😊😊😊
What
A smoothie made of vinegar sounds painful to drink.
I knew there was more to this situation than what they were saying. Thanks, Mic! ❤
This video is 16 minutes long when it should be 5 minutes...
I love to hear this because bananas are always between 15-30% of my daily calories 😂
Wow, you must really like bananas!
@@user-no2mz9hl4f lmfao. They’re quite literally my favorite food with mangos as a close second. 🤤
Same here! I eat several a day! 😂
@@1armmannydon't U get a crazy crazy intake of sugar then?
@@AGVengehe probably does, but allegedly fructose from whole fruits is good for you so its fine. As always eat stuff in moderation though. As much as i would hate to admit it, it probably isnt the healthiest to eat 7 mangoes and 3 watermelons a day.
The studies for this are easy enough to find.
I’m relieved that bananas are indeed not going to spoil the antioxidant power of a berry smoothie. Because honestly, a berry smoothie just does not taste very nice without bananas.
Gosh me too! I've switched out my banana in my berry smoothy with an orange and it's not the same. Going back to adding my banana😊
Sadly blueberries are grown in hothouses and are not flavorful or real. I do prefer using
wild blueberries which have more nutrition.
the video is quite long so i didn't understand in conclusion if mixing bananas with berries is good or not.
Fr TLDR
It's ok. The study cited was flawed.
that Bananas are bad in any way whats so ever.... is ALWAYS total Bull💩!!
exactly!
yup.... I am going to have some bananas with berries now!
@@aw4084 Ha Ha...me 2!!
I put apple slices in water with a squeezed lime before packing them in my kids' school lunches so they don't brown. The kids love the zing of the lime flavor and ask for "lime apples" even when we're not making packed lunch.
Limes prevent browning?!!!
awww, lucky kids!
Poor kids probably have their enamel DESTROYED from the citric acid. Yeah parents don't do this
@@naughtyorgneiss lol
@@SteveRuprecht go watch some of dr ellie DDS dentist about a patient she had who was sucking on lemons. My kid used to suck on limes and it destroyed their teeth. Took months to repair. Do not give your kids citric acid every day please
I love Mic the Vegan's work so much, for some reason you remind me of a vegan Bob Ross on speed, I mean that in the most awesome way. You'll likely always remain in the top channels I showcase on my channel. Thank you so much! 💚
Ah a study done on a sample size of 10. Great study!!
Thank you for this video!!
That was a berry interesting hypothesis, but turned out bananas.
Blueberries themselves have quite a decent amount of vitamin C.
I was thinking that you could test the banana-berry thing just by making a smoothie and comparing the colors at 10, 20, 40, 60 minutes, etc. Since anthocyanins (a polyphenol) are responsible for the deep purple color in blueberries, then you would expect the color to be different after some time if PPO did really start to oxidize it.
wouldnt the color of the banana itself oxidizing confuse the results?
Ha yeah if your smoothie turns poo brown then you know you have been PPOed!
There is another way of drinking a smoothie than chugging?
Thank you for this. I will read more into it and make a decision if I ever start eating smoothies again. I haven't in a long time.
16 seconds in and I'm already giggling! Gonna be a good one.
Saw this somewhere else, something about phenols, apples apparently are guilty, too. Glad you're here to clarify.
Ok, back to the video....🎉
Ha ha. Sounded bizarre to me when I heard it recently!
@@oscarcat1231I hate hearing bad news about my favorite fruit! It's not a good day without my morning banana. But Mic to the rescue with some fixes, yay. Saved this one for later reference. 🌱
If choice is Banana vs life...I choose Banana.
As a South Indian I eat in banana leaf with unripe banana fry and banana flower sambar and after meal top off everything with a ripe banana.
On a rare fancy occasion I pair unripe banana chips with a glass of scotch.
Lot of work done to present a comprehensive analysis. Thanks
Oh wow! Interesting! I'm not going to fuss over it. If I want bananas in my smoothie then I'll throw in a few pieces.
Mic the Vegan is the antidote to click bait insanity. Go team smoothie. I know everyone has their own recipe that works for them but here is mine: equal parts water, soy/oat milk, beans, sweet potato and fruit (banana, strawberry, cherry) add 2 tbsp preserving of freshly ground and refrigerated seeds like flax, chia, hemp hearts and small handful of walnut halves. Season with Ceylon cinnamon, turmeric and black pepper. Satiating and delicious.
great breakdown, I actually do drink my smoothies right after I make them, and usually finish them in 3 to 5 minutes so their video clip really wouldn’t have a big impact on my intake. Always appreciate the work you put into these videos, thank you!
In our gut polyphenols are broken down anyhow, into short chain fatty acids. I would suspect that these ppo's are merely one of the pathways in that breaking down process.
My perfect smoothie is one apple, 2tbs of peanut butter, a cup of soy milk, and 4 frozen bananas
I Don't eat berries for antioxidants in smoothies. I eat them for vitamins, polyphenols but most of all they're a sweetener so I don't care. its either berries or sugar. Berries are better.
The function of polyphenols is literally to act as antioxidants. What you're saying is like saying, "I don't eat berries for antioxidants, I eat them for antioxidants".
@@hoon_sol No, read it again because you clearly only read the first sentence
@@80slimshadys:
No, I read the entire comment, and the contradiction you wrote is still just as glaring. You literally wrote that you didn't eat them for antioxidants, and then two seconds later wrote that you eat them for polyphenols. That you "most of all" eat them because they sweeten it is totally irrelevant to that. You still said you eat them for polyphenols, which are antioxidants; so you literally said, "I don't eat berries for antioxidants, I eat them for antioxidants".
@@hoon_sol Bruh. It says I eat them for antioxidants but specifically for the sugar content so when antioxidants are not in the equation, say in the case of a smoothie, it's cos I want the sugar then. Rocket science I know...
@80slimshadys basically you meant to say, you don't eat berries JUST for the antioxidants. You eat them for the vitamins, antioxidants, and most importantly, their sweetness.
You made me go bananas with this clip.
But about the way to pronounce Catecin. A lifelong teaist here. And a chemist. Both you and the clip you used made me wonder if I had mispronounced "catechin" all of my life.
As both of you pronounced it with "ch" (like in "chin"). Digging now into that origin of the word - the catetchu acacia trees.
Brings the "ch" vs "k" choice in Chabazite some of us have been dealing with. Better brew some tea while searching....
I remember you once mentioned, that you don’t recommend protein powder, would love to see a video on this topic 🙏
2 boiled eggs > protein shake
@@tracyminajjjjyess full of estrogen ♥️
I love my Vega Sport protein powder in my smoothie bowl. I think once a day to keep your protein at a decent level is great!
Cause it’s totally unnecessary and puts a lot of stress on your kidneys
@@ZyroSugar yeah, I did some research and came to the same conclusion, seems to be unnecessary
Hats off 🎩
To study sleuth
Mic the Vegan 🏅 🙌
I eat a big bowl of fruit everyday that contains one or two bananas along with berries. I wonder if eating them together in a meal but not a smoothie affects anything as well.
The study did look at this too by having people separately drink a flavan-3ol drink and a banana drink and it only slightly lowered the antioxidant power. Probably because they weren't mixed well and I bet banana slices like acai bowl style are even less. However, I don't think it matters as I cover later in the video :)
@@MictheVegan "The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample size, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with and obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness." Dr. Richard Horton, Editor-in-chief, The LANCET
Occam's Razor: the simplest answer is likely to be the correct answer.
Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Wortman's Razor: never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by corruption
So, which is it? I never thought you were stupid and the alternative...if the shoe fits 🤡
yes they do. Watch some legit MDs and scientists on this who also discuss heating and other things.
Great 👍. Thanks 🙏
You and Lyndi have been taking Seed DS-01 since 2001? You must be time travelers! 🙃
My go to smoothie is a banana, vanilla soy milk, and lots of collard greens (or kale). Maybe add some flax or chia.
Nutritionfacts has a long episode on this,and it sounded very convincing. Obviously the tiktok doesn't do that topic justice
I make smoothies with bananas and raspberries 😬 They taste so good!
Nice I've been using orange juice with my kale banana seed nut and pineapple smoothies. I will be sure to put the banana right in with the orange juice immediately, problem solved. I wasn't using berries anyways well I mean the bananas you say are berries nevermind ❤ loving your content man
Can't wait for tomorrow's multi banana with berries and cinnamon shake. Also: soy milk, Silyum husks, flax seeds, mushroom powder, spinache, and dates.
I love bananas. Aint gonna quit cus of 1 study
During this video I had to put up with 3 ads, including cat food... Nope YT, I'm not buying Premium whatever... Are those ads helping in any way this or other channels, really..
First they started with threats, now you're back to the new ad Era.
Good job, Mic, as always. Cheers.
Sometimes, the less I know of these various "health studies" the better, because I can then just eat the way I've always eaten, for the last 75 years, and simply enjoy bananas in whatever way I see fit.
Super interesting! And so good that you added the health benefits of bananas in the end. I eat banana every day, mixed with different fruits, like orange, berries, grapes, apples, mangos and soy-yoghurt.
Do you live somewhere where bananas, citrus fruit or mangoes are naturally available all year long?
Yes, lucky me! @@jonahwhale9047
False alert… keep eating your fruits and vegetables! 🍌 🥗
It sounds like you should only eat fruits together from the same region. Banana, pineapple smoothie, strawberry, raspberry, blueberry smoothie. I add avocado to both plus dates
They’ve gone bananas!
Heh. I don’t use bananas in smoothies (I save them for nice cream, or granola) because 8 want chewy juice. Now I feel compelled to use a banana in a smoothie.
13:59 "Butt-DANG"! PPO 2 dah rezqu!
Now 59, 99.5 plus % vegan food since 22, vegetarian since 11, low meat since 8, what is this thing called constipation? Never ever had it. Thx Mic
Is there anything you can do to report the guy who keeps impersonating you in the comments? This is only done by scammers, and you know it's a numbers racket; he's going to succeed in fooling some people.
My smoothies are now banana free, and honestly, I like them more now! I don't know if the science is good enough to be generalized, however I'm glad it inspired me to try to make a change that turned out to be good for me!
I also put green tea into my smoothies... so yeah, good riddance bananas!
Ugh, it's so complex tho eh? Put in an orange, use a straw, stand on your head, bananas have anti-oxidants.... sigh.
@@G-rig6969 right? It's just silly
Based on this study which only concentrated on a few select anti-oxidants out of many, which berries only have in small amounts(relative to other anti-oxidants in much higher amounts not studied), I wouldn't ditch banana's based on it. But berry mainly smoothies sound delicious, even if a little expensive :)
I don't like smooties without bananas. Lol
I still have a Kale smoothie with bananas, but put my berries on my breakfast. Both consumed separately.
😂😂 That guy looks bananas!
It makes me laugh that bananas are the only food which we use to mean crazy or ... nuts!!
Woah.
Tea smoothies are actually delicious by the way. Assam black tea with frozen peaches, or Darjeeling blueberry are a couple of my favorite combos.
In the last hour i found out bananas were out, and then that they were back in - what a rollercoaster!
Very interesting! I will try adding oranges (including peel) to my banana berry smoothies. If there is an Ebola outbreak, I will also be adding ripe banana peel to my smoothies to get my BanLec. LOL! (P.S. I suspect that BanLec's affinity to IgG4 may help with COVID long haulers, together with NAC, zinc, bromelain, and Natto. Just guessing if you know anyone who wants to try combo.)
7:35 breaking down ring structures wouldn't be beneficial for defecation
10:39 I love me a good pine orange banana drink - so I'm right on drinking my bananas with my oranges :)
I'd like to know how plantains stack up against bananas. I use plantains a lot (I live in Puerto Rico). They ripen to a deeper yellow than bananas, and the obviously have a good bit more fiber than bananas, even when very ripe. I add them to my cooked cereal, although I don't cook them. Puerto Ricans do cook them in several ways
Dr Greger recently did a video on this study as well.
Now I'm curious how bananas taste if you cook them, then freeze them, then try frozen cooked banana in smoothie
Better in banana bread!
13:32 who doesn't like a good bananas foster smoothie? I think that's an amazingly awesome idea, but I'd cool it down first, to avoid degrading the other antioxidants in there. Ok - I'll make a bananas foster shake!!!
"Ascorbic acid reacts with oxygen before it reacts with polyphenol oxidase. Even when the ascorbic acid is used, the pH of the lemon juice prevents browning. That's because polyphenol oxidase works best in the 5 to 7 range on the pH scale. Lemon juice's pH level is about 2, which keeps the polyphenol oxidase inactive."
On the flip there's this:
"Another study found that eating blueberries with milk reduced the absorption of their polyphenols and blocked their antioxidant effects ( 13 ). Similarly, the antioxidant capacity of different types of coffee was shown to decrease with the addition of milk."
I barely eat bananas anyway (every once in a while I make banana, cacao, almond milk, avo, and almond butter smoothies) and I usually prefer my blueberries on their own! 🤷🏻♀️
So what is the conclusion in plain english?
The data is inconclusive (aka it makes zero difference), but bananas are healthy so you should enjoy them anyway.
@@Vezmus1337 will never stop on bananas, just wondering if I should not mix blueberries/grapes/raisins with my bananas in my morning cereal
Mic now funded by big banana….pause
I always add between 5 and 10 grams of ceylon cinnamon to my smoothies/huel shakes
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Berry on berry violence! 😆 🤣 😂
😂😂😂😂
The oranges coming in yelling, "Can't we ALL just get along??!?"
Where's the happier living earth for a future crap moto? Disappointed...stick with the same crap
@Bla-fh8fq
Awwww, sweetie, it's so nice to know you're still trolling me after all these years using different accounts!
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Mic, I have faith that you will one day stop saying you've been taking Seed since 2001 when you mean 2021 😂
He has mental health issues, you should not shame him 🤐
He simply misspoke, if you watch his other videos you’d know it’s 2021.
Will you please please please do a video on your opinion of electrolyte supplements. Are they healthy or not? Supplements like Liquid IV, LMNT, FlavCity, Re-lyte, etc.
they aren't going to save a malnourished vegan anyway, so why bother? You should be worried about: Taurine, Carnosine, Creatine, Heme-iron, Omega 3 (DHA/EPA), B12, D3, K2, A, cholesterol...
Usually I make mine as a nice cream with banana, blueberries and strawberries, sometimes with some dried mint leaves, it taste like a yummy sorbet! ☺️ wonder if preparing them frozen or just slightly thawed changes anything if I them eat them straight away? Wont stop having it though, just got curious.
Turns out that study was B A N A N A S. 🍌😂
I make banana/peanut butter smoothies. Added blueberries because I had them. Since I'm adding blueberries to banana and not bananas to blueberries, I'd say I'm good.
I only ever eat frozen bananas. I suspect that the PPO activity is likely slowed down/inhibited a bit from freezing, because basically everything slows down the colder it gets.
Pointless.
I'm literally waiting to end the video, while staring at my smoothie and banana , let's see
Wasn't that study sponsored by Mars, hence why the cocoa extract was added? They just want you to add a Mars bar to your berry smoothies...
You have to be a chemist to know what to eat. No fun.
Anthrocyanins - blue men!
This is what happens when we try to micro-manage nutrition. Just use common sense, fruit is good for us, end of story LOL!!!!!
Can you do a video on educating the carnivore family.
Educating us about what...the art of corruption?
@johnmartinsen963 Not on corruption, but on how dangerous it is. And how your damaging you health. The carnivore diet is pseudoscience at its finest.
Just don't eat the bananas from the Banana Bar in Amsterdam....trust me on this
14:43 well I guess I can't call it a breast-cancer lowering bananas foster smoothie, but I can call my banana shake that!
I usually, but not always, eat something fibrous with my smoothies. I eat plenty of fiber, thank you very much!
*Oh this is not about fiber?
Ripe bananas have way too much sugar for me. Nowadays I’m using avocados to give my smoothies a creamy texture.
I can’t even imagine what it’s like to be not having regular 💩. That must really suck.
💩 is waste product, correct? The amount you 💩 will depend on the nutritional content of the food, the less nutrition that food has in it, or the less bio available the nutrients are in that food, the more you will poop, also correct? So two people eating the same amount of food, but on different diets, and one poops more than the other ( assuming the people were clones ), what does that say about the diet?
@@user-ud2qy8pj2o I feel like there is a lot of context missing here.
First, what are we comparing in diet?
Are you talking nutritional content or density?
I really hope you’re not gonna bring up studies with pigs eating uncooked beans and shit like that.
@@RiPnShtUp You have not experienced the perfect 💩until you eat like the carnivore that gave you life. Without a carnivore ancestor, YOU would not exist.
What about frozen bananas
Yup! Hourra for Banana nice cream!
Bananna, Mandarin, Mixed Berries, Avacado, Whole Milk. That's my breakfast
You talk your book and your biases. cheers
Dr. Gregor does not use bananas any longer in his berry bowl or eat them in smoothies. The study is valid. He recommends frozen Mango instead of Bananas in Smoothies. He suggests simply eating the bananas when you are not eating berries, chocolate or drinking tea. I will eat them outside of smoothies and use Mango instead.
Thanks, I'm going to make a banana berry smoothie now.
Ginger and vinegar also block PPO. I asked AI to find how much polyphenols are lost. 30% lost with Ginger, 40% with vinegar and 80% with bananas alone. So Ginger and vinegar improve polyphenol absorption. PPO is beneficial but the high oxidation of it is what stinks about it.
when he said banana tea, all I can think of is putting matcha into a banana smoothy
In my autoimmune diet, it is said that apples and bananas should be eaten separately. Hmm maybe cuz of the oxidation?? Hmm..who knows at this point.
Although I know that apples should be stored separately as when they go brown, they can rotten other fruits next to them. No clue for bananas tho xD
I just want to know what is the optimally nutritious protein shake (I hate the word "smoothie")...something reasonably palatable, but one that is a legit superfood.
Don't we add lemon juice to fruits that get brown so they don't get brown?
I guess it would work with any vitamin C rich plant
The minute i saw that banana-destroys-blueberry video, i immediately made a banana-blueberry smoothie and devoured it with glee...😂😂😅😅
Vitamin C surprisingly is taken internally and topically to get rid of age spots (melanin). So it does decrease PPO !
Thank you for covering this! Tired of the anti-banana scaremongering I keep seeing out there