I just took delivery yesterday of a Beeman (San Rafael) FWB 124 Deluxe that looks as if it was never used and it has the same click. It not as loud but I can certainly feel it, but pull weight is just under two pounds. Whenever I get a new springer air rifle, your channel is the first place I go for information. I'm going to put a Macarri kit in it with help from your other video. I really appreciate all the information and knowledge that you provide and love your friendly and personable demeanor. Thanks again, Alex.
Thanks so much, Alex. I'm thrilled to hear that you're enjoying the channel. Congratulations on a classic rifle. The 124s were the benchmark to which all others were measured. Fantastic rifles. Thanks again, my friend.
That's another big thank you. I will look that up. You tube has become a powerful tool for weapon reassembly. There is no way to know every weapon. But there is someone out there that had to fix one also.
that was quick you have no idea how much I appreciate this.. I don't generally work on air guns and don't know the parts houses. There is no one in this area that works on them so I get a lot of calls for this work. It's just another type of weapon. I do believe I need to get a spring compressing tool. Brute force doesn't work well.
Nice Chanel, thanks. As far as I know, 124s don't have a 2 stage trigger. You might have a look at the sear & the notch in the piston rod that engages the sear. The area on all the metal to metal contacts may have some machining marks causing the catch.
Thanks Chip. Mine definitely is a two stage trigger. You're absolutely right about the bearing surfaces needing polishing. That should make all of the difference in the world. Thanks so much for watching.
Hi I’ve got a MK1 127 with a plastic blade and the trigger is very vague but doesn’t click. Such a shame that Feinwerkbau didn’t produce a trigger anywhere near as good as Weihrauch’s rekord unit🙁 I use a cable/zip tie to hold the safety catch in place while refitting the trigger block to the comp tube Makes life slightly easier 👍🏻 Thank you for sharing👌🏻
I'd love to get my hands on a 127. It is a shame that the trigger doesn't hold up to the Rekord unit. Good tip on the zip tie. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
Interestingly the trigger in my New FWB Sport clicks as well. The trigger can let off very quickly after hitting the second stage, and I find that little click quite helpful in letting me know when I've applied just enough pressure.
I've watched your videos Nibs and I could tell that you were pleased with the trigger. I like it allot more with the new trigger. It cut the pull weight in half but there's this disconcerting "click " that I'd love to get rid of.
it might seem surprising but I never seem to be amazed at some channel that I never knew about how wonderful it is find somebody with an interest like I have. I know the internet has untold vastness and I am pleasantly surprised once again thank you. Oh yeah the click... I definitely heard the click at the end of the first stage like you stated. I will have to check mine after I overhaul it in most likely October like I said to you earlier. I don't remember what my trigger pull was like because I really never bench shot it. But I'll definitely look into it.
Kevin ,great video as always. I agree with you 100%. Your description of the 124 trigger is spot on. Mine is exactly the same. I love the gun in every way except the trigger. The first stage feels like it stops, then the second stage kicks in…..I tried to mess with it but never had any results. Thanks again for your video. Keep them coming my friend.
The only thing i don't miss about my 124 is it's trigger, i replaced a bent safety spring which helped but it was never to my satisfaction, i would have loved to try a maccarri one in it but with postage it would have cost nearly as much as the gun!
Yes, the trigger is it's Achilles heal. If you're willing to change out a spring or two and do some careful stoning you can get a very nice trigger from what I've been told. I've been wanting to do mine but it seems that there's always something else that needs doing. Remind me, where are you that shipping from the US is so expensive?
Thanks for this video Kevin. Great way to share issues and solve problems together. There will probably be a follower here on your platform that will find the solution to eliminate that "click".
Another great video. Original owner of two 124's, one standard w/ plastic trigger (Dec 1978 Beeman), one deluxe with metal trigger (1980's Beeman). Both behave similarly to yours, with that "hitch" just prior to second stage. Purchased a Maccari metal trigger 30 years ago, still sitting in my 124 tool box. Have you ever tried a Maccari trigger? No idea if/how it's any different. Also, in your video we couldn't really see a side-by-side comparison of your new trigger vs. original, wondering what were the key differences? You're building a nice following, I'd be one of your first Patreon subscribers if you ever go that route.
Thank you so much James. That's high praise indeed. Never tried a Macarri trigger. I'm sorry to say that I never took the time to compare the two triggers. The one condition my friend asked was that I send him my trigger so it's too late to compare them I'm afraid. I can't thank you enough for your kind words my friend.
If you have the trigger, get his trigger screw also. It makes a BIG difference. 😉👍 Much lower friction, and finer pivot. Unless of course you would want to sell that one ? 😏 💸 Best improvement is in Deburring the sear, polishing the auxillary sear, lightening the safety tension, modifying the crown of the adjustment screw, and actually using FWB trigger grease. If the trigger is his stainless trigger, I'll give you $120.00 USD for it today. 😀 I build a LOT of 124's. 🤷🏼♂️
@@marcmyers1465 thanks Marc for the advice/instruction. Not expert with triggers, and now I feel even less so lol. Away on vacation (Oahu), when we return I'll have a look at what I've got. Most likely will want to use the trigger in the plastic-triggered FWB 124, but if not I'll give you a shout.
As someone who isn’t particularly handy, watching you break down and build up your rifle is very enjoyable and fascinating! Is the spring compressor you have something you have modified to work for your rifle? Just a quick search on amazon, I couldn’t find anything like it. The only ones I saw were for cars and I couldn’t picture how they’d work on a spring piston.
You won't find anything like the spring compressor, I'm afraid. It was a 25th birthday gift from my brother. He's a fantastic fabricator, and once he understood what it needed to accomplish, he came up with what you see in the videos. It's practically bombproof, and it works like a charm. Thanks as always, my friend.
I can live with the 124 / 127 triggers. Being a "trigger snob" myself, I think that although not well suited to bench work, it's more than adequate to live up to its name as a sporting rifle trigger. The Walther triggers, on the other hand, in my opinion, are a good design with cheap build quality. I own four Walther air rifles. I've removed the safeties in all but one of them, and I'll be removing that one, too. They all seem to malfunction. The rifle that still has its safety will fire when the safety is disengaged if you happen to forget and you pull the trigger while it's on. There's an aftermarket trigger from Rowan Engineering out of the UK. It'll greatly improve the LGV trigger. Thanks for watching, my friend.
he click must be a trigger notch, pin or part or the piston rod, then when you pull to the release something is moving .under pressure from the mainspring with a click my fwb 127 is not clicking. i had the cocking link broken and a new link bend after litlle time , i made one from a hw 80 cocking link . and welded the part that pushes the piston at the hw 80 link with a litlle work it fitted , . the newsport has a better cocking link ,looks to me
Hi Peter, yeah that click is a little distracting. I'm pretty sure that it's the secondary sear that's the issue. I plan on getting it on the bench this winter to try and sort out the issue. Thanks for watching!
Where might this trigger be found. I am a gunsmith and am repairing and restoring a model 24 sport for a client. His has a plastic trigger and it is broken. Advice on where to find one would be a big help and thank you for your expertise.
Air Rifle Headquarters (ARH) sells the trigger blade itself. If that's all that you need, then here you go.... www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251483/10497257.htm
I've reached the point where I'd like to make my Sport trigger a little smother, and with a little less pull weight. Do you know if the Sport trigger disassembles the sameway as the older 24 trigger does?
@@razor1962 I really think it's the auxillary sear. 🤔 It's a very simple trigger that just requires a bit of judicious stoning and polishing to get you there. Could mean breaking the top edge of the drop off or there may actually be a trip line on the bottom where the screw rides over it. That is definitely a "click" ! 😳 Excellent mic 🎤 by the way. 😂
@@marcmyers1465 It really is a good microphone. Connects to the phone via a Bluetooth adapter. Costs $30. Money well spent. I'll get that trigger sorted out. I'm not afraid to stone and polish the contract surfaces. Oughta' make a world of difference.
The trigger itself is broken, I don't know what I'll need to put a metal trigger in but will purchase whatever it takes. 55.00 plus shipping for the trigger sounds fair to me.
Boy can I relate and I'm only turning out one video per week. I don't know how you do it to be honest. 😆 I can't watch 'em as fast as you release 'em. Your on fire Nibs! 🤣
I just took delivery yesterday of a Beeman (San Rafael) FWB 124 Deluxe that looks as if it was never used and it has the same click. It not as loud but I can certainly feel it, but pull weight is just under two pounds. Whenever I get a new springer air rifle, your channel is the first place I go for information. I'm going to put a Macarri kit in it with help from your other video. I really appreciate all the information and knowledge that you provide and love your friendly and personable demeanor.
Thanks again,
Alex.
Thanks so much, Alex. I'm thrilled to hear that you're enjoying the channel. Congratulations on a classic rifle. The 124s were the benchmark to which all others were measured. Fantastic rifles.
Thanks again, my friend.
That's another big thank you. I will look that up. You tube has become a powerful tool for weapon reassembly. There is no way to know every weapon. But there is someone out there that had to fix one also.
Thanks, Jimmy. Merry Christmas to you and yours...
that was quick you have no idea how much I appreciate this.. I don't generally work on air guns and don't know the parts houses. There is no one in this area that works on them so I get a lot of calls for this work. It's just another type of weapon. I do believe I need to get a spring compressing tool. Brute force doesn't work well.
That's a tough rifle to reassemble. That's a long spring. There are videos of homemade spring compressors on TH-cam.
Nice Chanel, thanks. As far as I know, 124s don't have a 2 stage trigger. You might have a look at the sear & the notch in the piston rod that engages the sear. The area on all the metal to metal contacts may have some machining marks causing the catch.
Thanks Chip. Mine definitely is a two stage trigger. You're absolutely right about the bearing surfaces needing polishing. That should make all of the difference in the world.
Thanks so much for watching.
My FWB 124D, 1981 issue, has a very nice factory two-stage; about 2 1/4 - 2 1/2 pounds, consistent.
Thanks for the most informative video.
@frankwright5528 Thanks, Frank, and thanks for watching.
Hi
I’ve got a MK1 127 with a plastic blade and the trigger is very vague but doesn’t click.
Such a shame that Feinwerkbau didn’t produce a trigger anywhere near as good as Weihrauch’s rekord unit🙁
I use a cable/zip tie to hold the safety catch in place while refitting the trigger block to the comp tube
Makes life slightly easier 👍🏻
Thank you for sharing👌🏻
I'd love to get my hands on a 127. It is a shame that the trigger doesn't hold up to the Rekord unit.
Good tip on the zip tie. Thanks so much for watching my friend.
@@razor1962 😊
Second the cable tie trick... That's SOP for all 120 series safety's 😉👍
Interestingly the trigger in my New FWB Sport clicks as well. The trigger can let off very quickly after hitting the second stage, and I find that little click quite helpful in letting me know when I've applied just enough pressure.
I know exactly what you're talking about. My Sport does that too. It's very similar to what I describe in the video on the 124 trigger.
My 124 has a very nice trigger, not quite rekord level but close
I've watched your videos Nibs and I could tell that you were pleased with the trigger. I like it allot more with the new trigger. It cut the pull weight in half but there's this disconcerting "click " that I'd love to get rid of.
it might seem surprising but I never seem to be amazed at some channel that I never knew about how wonderful it is find somebody with an interest like I have. I know the internet has untold vastness and I am pleasantly surprised once again thank you. Oh yeah the click... I definitely heard the click at the end of the first stage like you stated. I will have to check mine after I overhaul it in most likely October like I said to you earlier. I don't remember what my trigger pull was like because I really never bench shot it. But I'll definitely look into it.
I'm glad to hear that your getting some enjoyment from the channel. Thanks for your comments too.
Kevin ,great video as always. I agree with you 100%. Your description of the 124 trigger is spot on. Mine is exactly the same. I love the gun in every way except the trigger.
The first stage feels like it stops, then the second stage kicks in…..I tried to mess with it but never had any results. Thanks again for your video. Keep them coming my friend.
Thanks Cobia. Tell you what, when I know what's causing it, I'll let you know. Lol.
The only thing i don't miss about my 124 is it's trigger, i replaced a bent safety spring which helped but it was never to my satisfaction, i would have loved to try a maccarri one in it but with postage it would have cost nearly as much as the gun!
Yes, the trigger is it's Achilles heal.
If you're willing to change out a spring or two and do some careful stoning you can get a very nice trigger from what I've been told. I've been wanting to do mine but it seems that there's always something else that needs doing.
Remind me, where are you that shipping from the US is so expensive?
Excellent and informative video . Once again : You have blessed Us with good quality content .
Thanks so much Richard.
I know this is year or so old, but would love to see you give more detail of your spring compressor.
Thanks for this video Kevin. Great way to share issues and solve problems together. There will probably be a follower here on your platform that will find the solution to eliminate that "click".
I hope you're right Rapalaron. It'd be nice to get this trigger straightened out. Thanks as always.
Great vid Kevin ...awesome little rifle 👍👍👍
Thanks Chris! The 124 is among the very best in its class.
Almost to 1k very nice!
Thanks man. Gonna have a party 🥳
😎👍
Love your content sir especially the benchwork. Have a Great night!!!
Thanks Scott. I'm so glad that you're enjoying the channel.
I'd like to see more folks with the Confidence to work on their own rifles ! The Bench Videos DO help a lot... 😎👍
Thanks Kevin ! excellent video as always!.
Thanks Dave!
Excellent, master!! Thanks for the rich informative content!!
Thanks so much. Master? Not even close but I'm flattered. So glad that you're enjoying the channel.
Another great video. Original owner of two 124's, one standard w/ plastic trigger (Dec 1978 Beeman), one deluxe with metal trigger (1980's Beeman). Both behave similarly to yours, with that "hitch" just prior to second stage. Purchased a Maccari metal trigger 30 years ago, still sitting in my 124 tool box. Have you ever tried a Maccari trigger? No idea if/how it's any different. Also, in your video we couldn't really see a side-by-side comparison of your new trigger vs. original, wondering what were the key differences? You're building a nice following, I'd be one of your first Patreon subscribers if you ever go that route.
Thank you so much James. That's high praise indeed.
Never tried a Macarri trigger.
I'm sorry to say that I never took the time to compare the two triggers. The one condition my friend asked was that I send him my trigger so it's too late to compare them I'm afraid.
I can't thank you enough for your kind words my friend.
If you have the trigger, get his trigger screw also. It makes a BIG difference. 😉👍 Much lower friction, and finer pivot.
Unless of course you would want to sell that one ? 😏 💸
Best improvement is in Deburring the sear, polishing the auxillary sear, lightening the safety tension, modifying the crown of the adjustment screw, and actually using FWB trigger grease.
If the trigger is his stainless trigger, I'll give you $120.00 USD for it today. 😀 I build a LOT of 124's. 🤷🏼♂️
@@marcmyers1465 thanks Marc for the advice/instruction. Not expert with triggers, and now I feel even less so lol. Away on vacation (Oahu), when we return I'll have a look at what I've got. Most likely will want to use the trigger in the plastic-triggered FWB 124, but if not I'll give you a shout.
Both You and Nibs really hit the jackpot on your 124's they are both in excellent condition! 😎👍
Yes. Mine's got a scratch on the barrel but it's otherwise in great shape.
@@razor1962 You can fix that tomorrow night ! 😉👍
See what I mean ? 😉😉😉
As someone who isn’t particularly handy, watching you break down and build up your rifle is very enjoyable and fascinating!
Is the spring compressor you have something you have modified to work for your rifle? Just a quick search on amazon, I couldn’t find anything like it. The only ones I saw were for cars and I couldn’t picture how they’d work on a spring piston.
You won't find anything like the spring compressor, I'm afraid. It was a 25th birthday gift from my brother. He's a fantastic fabricator, and once he understood what it needed to accomplish, he came up with what you see in the videos. It's practically bombproof, and it works like a charm.
Thanks as always, my friend.
@@razor1962Thank you for the answer! And yes, he did a wonderful job making it. It looks beefy as heck. 👍👍
Good content as always 👍🙂
Thank you sir. Appreciate your viewership and for your sticking around.
My 124 doesn't have that click on the trigger, and it's not a heavy pull.
I don't doubt you for a second PS. Need to figure out why mine's like that.
Still a super nice rifle😉👍. The trigger may need some polishing or an air rifle smith to do some fixing. BTW great video 😉👍.
Thank you sir. The 124 is an amazing rifle. Once the trigger issue is corrected the rifle will be as close to perfect as you can get.
The click is pretty loud it thought it was more like a feeling at first
Hopefully you can figure it out!
I'll get to the bottom of it Lowkey. Thanks as always my friend.
It seems a shame that both Feinwerkbau 124 and Walther Lgv both beautifully crafted guns are let down by not so good trigger units
I can live with the 124 / 127 triggers. Being a "trigger snob" myself, I think that although not well suited to
bench work, it's more than adequate to live up to its name as a sporting rifle trigger.
The Walther triggers, on the other hand, in my opinion, are a good design with cheap build quality. I own four Walther air rifles. I've removed the safeties in all but one of them, and I'll be removing that one, too. They all seem to malfunction. The rifle that still has its safety will fire when the safety is disengaged if you happen to forget and you pull the trigger while it's on.
There's an aftermarket trigger from Rowan Engineering out of the UK. It'll greatly improve the LGV trigger.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
he click must be a trigger notch, pin or part or the piston rod, then when you pull to the release something is moving .under pressure from the mainspring with a click
my fwb 127 is not clicking. i had the cocking link broken and a new link bend after litlle time , i made one from a hw 80 cocking link . and welded the part that pushes the piston at the hw 80 link with a litlle work it fitted , . the newsport has a better cocking link ,looks to me
Hi Peter, yeah that click is a little distracting. I'm pretty sure that it's the secondary sear that's the issue. I plan on getting it on the bench this winter to try and sort out the issue.
Thanks for watching!
1000 Subscribers ! Woohoo !!! 😀👍
Where might this trigger be found. I am a gunsmith and am repairing and restoring a model 24 sport for a client. His has a plastic trigger and it is broken. Advice on where to find one would be a big help and thank you for your expertise.
Air Rifle Headquarters (ARH) sells the trigger blade itself. If that's all that you need, then here you go....
www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251483/10497257.htm
I've reached the point where I'd like to make my Sport trigger a little smother, and with a little less pull weight. Do you know if the Sport trigger disassembles the sameway as the older 24 trigger does?
I haven't had mine apart, so I don't know for certain. The triggers do feel very similar.
That is definitely different ? 😳
Gonna have to take a closer look at that trigger group to rule out the auxillary sear ! 🤔
If anyone can figure it out it's you Marc.
@@razor1962 You don't actually need the e-clip. There's a plastic retainer in the threads already. 😉
Now you tell me......😄
@@razor1962 I really think it's the auxillary sear. 🤔 It's a very simple trigger that just requires a bit of judicious stoning and polishing to get you there. Could mean breaking the top edge of the drop off or there may actually be a trip line on the bottom where the screw rides over it.
That is definitely a "click" ! 😳
Excellent mic 🎤 by the way. 😂
@@marcmyers1465 It really is a good microphone. Connects to the phone via a Bluetooth adapter. Costs $30. Money well spent.
I'll get that trigger sorted out. I'm not afraid to stone and polish the contract surfaces. Oughta' make a world of difference.
I have an older 124 that I need a trigger for, I would certainly buy on if I had the contact info.
I'll ask my friend if he has one for sale. I'll let you know if he does.
Thanks for watching, my friend.
Thank You very much, and thanks for the good content!
Which components do you need ? Trigger, trigger screw, e-clip, safety spring ??? 🤔
Factory metal trigger is $55.00 plus shipping. 😉
@@marcmyers1465 Mine has a plastic trigger so everything I need to replace it. Thanks
The trigger itself is broken, I don't know what I'll need to put a metal trigger in but will purchase whatever it takes. 55.00 plus shipping
for the trigger sounds fair to me.
Hey Kevin!
How's it goin' Nibs?
Trying to stay awake editing videos!
Boy can I relate and I'm only turning out one video per week. I don't know how you do it to be honest. 😆 I can't watch 'em as fast as you release 'em. Your on fire Nibs! 🤣