I charged 6 BGV with a Judicar into bezerkers with a master of executions who gives them fights first. Turns out in 10th the defender picks first and their fights first trumps the charge. Something to be wary of, never charge into a fights first unit, even if you're fights first they go before you.
I really found the Judiciar my choice, the fight first really makes opponent nervous.the video makes me see some other options as I sometimes fall in love with one option. Great video.
Awesome! You validated the Primaris Captain with the Bladeguard Veterans. I've actually been working my own Primaris Captain model to use and was wondering why I haven't heard very much about him up until this video.
Great video man. I took two judicars and twelve blade guard to a tournament and they were very impactful in my 5-3 record. I need to try out the captain/land raider combo. Some defense and offense mix will probably be good.
I think its a key point you made about Oath, you can't rely on oath so looking for combos of units for +1s to hit or wound or have built in re-rolls allows you to create a 2nd oath situation where you might be able to point oath at one target, and then your synergy re-rolls as something else that isn't your oath target but they will still be reliable. So like Gladiator Lancer with their re-rolls, land speeders giving +1s to certain stuff, incursors giving +1 to hit for stuff they shoot at etc. trying to build lists with stuff like that. Also Captains for free strats considering the shortage of CP is important, so for a unit like Blade Guard maybe armour of contempt if they come under heavy fire from certain stuff etc.
I fully agree with that something I will try is: Death Co on foot + Chaplain on foot + Razorback transport reroll to hit (black rage) +1 to wound (litany of hate) reroll to wound (fire support)
Thanks for taking a look at this and thanks for the shoutout :) Hopefully this will be as good on the board as it promises to be on paper. Gonna try a variation of this against my Ork playing friend soon
I’ll definitely be trying some of these combos out. I do like a 3 man Bladeguard squad. As a side note - I’ll also be splitting my 10 man assault squad into 2x 5 man squads to reduce the overwatch impact.
Worth noting that with the honour vehement enhancement, the captain in assault doctrine can be 11 attacks S7 AP-3, add in lance and you are basically doing the same or better than a squad of hellblasters overcharging.
In my first game of 10th I used the Judi+ BVGm combo, and it was beautiful, everything they charged died and what I charged too, is a wall. 100% recommended to Judi
I’ve been running six of them with the primaris captain and a blade guard ancient in a drop pod, holding them until the second or third turn to drop them where they need and mostly clear an important objective. The ancient adding 1 to OC and once per game adding one extra attack to the captain.
I have been running 3x Bladeguard + Captain + LT in an Impulsor w/ Comms Array. This is an incredible strike unit, which doesn't go down easily. There are a couple of fun interactions such as refunding the "free" strat with the comms array. Giving the unit Lethal Hits also applies to their otherwise limited shooting. The important thing about his Lethal Hits and the interaction with Red Rampage is it helps when you get charged, since Red Rampage is unable to be used in that situation. What is also nice about the LT, is he is not gear limited like his CPT counterpart, so taking a Plasma Pistol and Power Fist gives the unit even more versatility and allows it to punch up. This is particularly important for the fact that the Bladeguard provides re-roll 1's to hit for BOTH the CPT and LT. Should not be overlooked when considering adding 2 characters to any unit. I would replace the Ancient with an LT due to the versatility it provides in your favorite combo :). Great video!
This is great timing, my current strategy with my crusade game has been pack 6 plus the primaris captain into a repulsor and push to bully mid field objectives
@ba_commander he's been under my radar lately, I paired the ancient with captain once in a 2K game pouring out of a land raider, and it was certainly my star unit. Lost the war, but they slaughtered everything in their path till ghazghkull called a Waagh and charged into them. Hence the repulsor purchase to drop points costs and whatnot
Nice analysis commander, in the metawatch Stu Black mentioned BA as a one of the weak factions, so on September, maybe we will get some adjustments in the balance dataslate.
I found your video looming at this on my own. I'm running Space Wolves and the termies didn't seem to do much. Same with power armored wolf guard. The nerf hammer was strong. But this might be my new happy spot.
One thing you didnt talk about for the Primaris Champion is that he can take the Honour Vehment in the Gladius Strike Force. With Assault Doctrine, the trait and the lance strat can get pretty spicy for 70 points. I havent tried it out but throwing that squad with the champ into a big brick should scoop up a chunk of guys and snipe out the character.
36:00 I thought you were talking about a REAL chapter to come and save Guilliman`s ass. While you guys are still defending Terra we are already crusading into Tyranid terrain. Keep on crusading!
Lol, Battleshock doesn't seem to happen ever he says, yet here's me playing against my Son's Tyranids. He triggers shadow in the warp with a -1 due to his Neurotyrant and every one of my units failed their test. I mean, what are the chances? The dice gods sure had it in for me that day, lol.
Love your videos Brother! Long time watcher, first time commenting Have you tried 6 Bladeguard Vets with a Primaris Captain (kitted Indomitus style with the Honour Vehement) along with a Bladeguard Ancient in a Drop Pod? Dropping into enemy deployment (first turn!) with that 4+ invuln and the free stratagem from the Captain makes them a pretty intimidating alpha strike squad for only 415 Backed, of course, by your recommendation of a ridiculous amount of armour
Good video. I just finished my judiciar too. I've been playing Sanguinius detachment just to get good with it because I think the codex will be aimed that way when it comes out.
Great video John, I'm running them as a squad.of 6 in an impulsor and that's worked out in the 3 games I've played. I much prefer this set up tbh will keep at it for a few more games.
Honestly I think the blade guard & judicar combine with Lib dread or drop pod are really good at going for cp generators or smashing your enemy’s back line
I used my bladeguard with the Lieutenant for my Deathwatch. I think you're sleeping on the fall back and charge ability on top of lethal hits. Being able to fight first because you charged or it being your opponents turn means that it grants more than a Judicar would. That also allows you to fall back in a different direction and charge a different unit without penalty. Plus, most detachments don't have that ability, much less for free. I don't really see a good reason not to take the Lieutenant.
@@ba_commander in 9th I ran 15 and I won fairly frequently, I liked their durability. I’ve only played one game of 10th and got mortal wounded off the board lol
I've been flirting with the idea of 6 man bladeguard w/ judiciar in a drop pod in a list with the librarian dread and Mephiston with sternguard. It would let me pop two fights first units right in the opponents face turn 1.
Just tried out bladeguard today for the 1st time they either spent the whole time running around or gettinged killed they didn't do much sadlly but my stormraven gunship is doing wonders
As a side note my opinion on sang gaurd pts change is they cost to much. The fact custodis can just jump around I think they need to give them stronger rules with Dante or reduce pts down to infantry cost. Or give them a inv and feel no pain
2 6 man units in a land raider. One with a chaplain and one with a Judicar. Send the chaplain unit into armor and the judicar into infantry. Keep them close enough together for chaplain to protect both from battle shocked.
While I don't know how to use excel (I'm an electrician), I am a bit of a math savant and can help with damage calculation formulae if you want. Just thought I'd offer.
I add judiciar for FF. However I have in mind to run 6bgv + cap + ancient in Land Raider and since I use Redeemer there is a capacity of 14. So another 5 assault intercessors with judiciary or Mephiston for ff. Or 3bgv and judiciar. In my opinion, it's important to have a unit with ff as means for counter-charge. Yeah, if you have super strategic instinct you can position yourself in a way where nobody can reach you, but I prefer to have this instrument since they charge something and then you can heroic and spoil their charge a lot. Another thing I have in mind, I don't think this -ap from gladius is good. Most of elite enemies will have some kind of invlul and I'm satisfied with with SoS bouns. Red Rampage in my opinion give more difference rather than ap-4 instead of ap-3. Plus, it works only in assault doctrine.
I had a bad experience with bladeguard out of a land raider. They have those big bases, so since they need to be wholely within 3inches of the land raider, they have to wrap around the hull. They aren't like Assault Intercessors where you can stack them 2 bases deep. If you don't roll really well for the charge you end up with guys on the sidelines. I had a ton of attacks, but my captain just wiped out the front row before anyone else got to swing. Then the remaining gazillion crusaders and Grimaldus' crew came in on my opponents turn and mopped me up.
I have enough BGVs looking models to run 6 of them with a Judiciar or 3 of them plus a lieutenant and captain. On the one hand i really like the free stratagem and lethal hits that i would get with the lieutenant and captain, on the other i feel like only 3 veterans are would be way too squishy to do their job.
I think the Primaris Champion is a TRAP with 4 wounds and no Invuln. He is SO susceptible to sniper and precision fire, that he might never be alive to get the value from attaching him.
i wish i could (not sure if its possible but) bring 5 bladeguards + leading unit instead of 6 bladeguards + 1 leading unit, so i can use an impulsor for transport.
I loved this video, I’ve got 6 bladeguards I’m working on that I want to use with the very expensive Marneus Calgar and a landraider. I know you’re the BA commander but can I ask how you’d rate running him with Calgar?
So 205 points with the Vitrix guard!? Seems not bad! I think as long as you use honour of the chapter against any T5 or higher enemies it seems decent? Would you need 6 though? What you trying to kill with it?
Great Video as always! Does anyone think the Land Raider Crusader has value? I have the BGVs, Captain and Ancient but only transport is Landraider Crusader
I think the gladius detachment is a good option as far as play, but feel each chapter needs to be only able to play a chapter specific detachment rule .
@@ba_commander thanks for the Quick answer! My first army was Blood Angels in 5th Edition, after years of playing Imperial Guard an Thousand Sons your Videos convinced me to dust of my Blood Angels and take them for a spin ;) Thanks for the great content
I feel like bgv are decent but overall a flawed choice for competitive play. Have to spend like 300 points to make them effective and they aren’t reliably getting damage in each turn. A single 3 man squad with a left over 100 points is an interesting idea though as an annoying mid board unit to threaten charges with
Hi I’m new! I have a question. Can I attach lieutenant(storm shield and sword) and sanguinary priest with blade guard veterans? Also can I attached captain and priest (jump pack) with sanguinary guard?? Please let me know.
I really steuggle with them. A 6 man squad is 180 points, and a 5 man terminator squad is 185. It's 5 points more for one less body, but they are just better in almost ever way. Tougher, hit harder in melee and in the shooting phase, have deep strike, also can get a captain, got the same 4++ but a better save. Bladeguards are dead in my eyes and that's so sad, because it's ine if the best looking units.
@@ba_commander Well, if you want to make a double-character brick of a unit, the Bladeguard vets are a lot more points efficient, but for a regular unit I find the terminator squad's more balanced loadout and increased toughness overwhelmingly better. I've been very pleasantly surprised at how well rapid-firing storm bolters fare and I'm just not sold on S5 weapons, even at D2. The vets aren't good enough at their speciality to compete favourable with the multi-role terminators, imo. Add in Deep Strike, and Teleport Homer and I'm sold. Also, that 2+ armour save has been more relevant than I expected, so a flat 190 points for 5 terminators is more viable than just 180 points for 6 bladeguard. Terminator characters are too expensive, though.
I charged 6 BGV with a Judicar into bezerkers with a master of executions who gives them fights first. Turns out in 10th the defender picks first and their fights first trumps the charge. Something to be wary of, never charge into a fights first unit, even if you're fights first they go before you.
Sounds like a TOUGH lesson to learn!
Yessir that's why Lion is such a beefy boy, and his 3+ inv and -1 to wound
That's why I agree that the captain is the best choice. In that situation you can charge in and fight on death for free
If they don't strike fist with judiciar.. what's the point of judiciar? I'd go with captain
As far as I can tell the rule for the order of fighting is that my opponent always fights first and rules change to accommodate that
Step 1: Deploy Yeetbrarian Dreadnought....
:)
I really found the Judiciar my choice, the fight first really makes opponent nervous.the video makes me see some other options as I sometimes fall in love with one option. Great video.
Glad I could maybe share some other options!
Awesome! You validated the Primaris Captain with the Bladeguard Veterans. I've actually been working my own Primaris Captain model to use and was wondering why I haven't heard very much about him up until this video.
Glad I gave you some food for thought!!
Great video man. I took two judicars and twelve blade guard to a tournament and they were very impactful in my 5-3 record. I need to try out the captain/land raider combo. Some defense and offense mix will probably be good.
Let me know how it goes :)
I think its a key point you made about Oath, you can't rely on oath so looking for combos of units for +1s to hit or wound or have built in re-rolls allows you to create a 2nd oath situation where you might be able to point oath at one target, and then your synergy re-rolls as something else that isn't your oath target but they will still be reliable. So like Gladiator Lancer with their re-rolls, land speeders giving +1s to certain stuff, incursors giving +1 to hit for stuff they shoot at etc. trying to build lists with stuff like that. Also Captains for free strats considering the shortage of CP is important, so for a unit like Blade Guard maybe armour of contempt if they come under heavy fire from certain stuff etc.
I fully agree with that
something I will try is:
Death Co on foot + Chaplain on foot + Razorback transport
reroll to hit (black rage)
+1 to wound (litany of hate)
reroll to wound (fire support)
Thanks for taking a look at this and thanks for the shoutout :)
Hopefully this will be as good on the board as it promises to be on paper. Gonna try a variation of this against my Ork playing friend soon
I hope so too! Let me know how you get on and thanks for the suggestion!
I’ll definitely be trying some of these combos out. I do like a 3 man Bladeguard squad.
As a side note - I’ll also be splitting my 10 man assault squad into 2x 5 man squads to reduce the overwatch impact.
Worth noting that with the honour vehement enhancement, the captain in assault doctrine can be 11 attacks S7 AP-3, add in lance and you are basically doing the same or better than a squad of hellblasters overcharging.
Damn!!! With Dev wounds and RR 1s to hit!
In my first game of 10th I used the Judi+ BVGm combo, and it was beautiful, everything they charged died and what I charged too, is a wall.
100% recommended to Judi
6 man strong?
I’ve been running six of them with the primaris captain and a blade guard ancient in a drop pod, holding them until the second or third turn to drop them where they need and mostly clear an important objective. The ancient adding 1 to OC and once per game adding one extra attack to the captain.
I have been running 3x Bladeguard + Captain + LT in an Impulsor w/ Comms Array. This is an incredible strike unit, which doesn't go down easily. There are a couple of fun interactions such as refunding the "free" strat with the comms array. Giving the unit Lethal Hits also applies to their otherwise limited shooting. The important thing about his Lethal Hits and the interaction with Red Rampage is it helps when you get charged, since Red Rampage is unable to be used in that situation.
What is also nice about the LT, is he is not gear limited like his CPT counterpart, so taking a Plasma Pistol and Power Fist gives the unit even more versatility and allows it to punch up. This is particularly important for the fact that the Bladeguard provides re-roll 1's to hit for BOTH the CPT and LT. Should not be overlooked when considering adding 2 characters to any unit.
I would replace the Ancient with an LT due to the versatility it provides in your favorite combo :).
Great video!
6 Bladeguard+Judicar+landraider redeemer= massive destruction. I ran this in my last game!
This is great timing, my current strategy with my crusade game has been pack 6 plus the primaris captain into a repulsor and push to bully mid field objectives
Sounds cool, no love for the Ancient?
@ba_commander he's been under my radar lately, I paired the ancient with captain once in a 2K game pouring out of a land raider, and it was certainly my star unit. Lost the war, but they slaughtered everything in their path till ghazghkull called a Waagh and charged into them. Hence the repulsor purchase to drop points costs and whatnot
Nice analysis commander, in the metawatch Stu Black mentioned BA as a one of the weak factions, so on September, maybe we will get some adjustments in the balance dataslate.
You think they’ll change anything bar SG?
I found your video looming at this on my own. I'm running Space Wolves and the termies didn't seem to do much. Same with power armored wolf guard. The nerf hammer was strong.
But this might be my new happy spot.
Good to hear! Good to have you find us brother!
This was a great breakdown for the BGV unit, I know now that I'll put it in my list for sure
Glad you found it useful!
One thing you didnt talk about for the Primaris Champion is that he can take the Honour Vehment in the Gladius Strike Force. With Assault Doctrine, the trait and the lance strat can get pretty spicy for 70 points. I havent tried it out but throwing that squad with the champ into a big brick should scoop up a chunk of guys and snipe out the character.
I like death company jump pack and w out jump, also vanvets with shields and a sang priest for a 4++ and 5+++ also helps
Big fan of the content! Good to see unit breakdown in 10th.
More to come!
36:00 I thought you were talking about a REAL chapter to come and save Guilliman`s ass. While you guys are still defending Terra we are already crusading into Tyranid terrain. Keep on crusading!
To think that some people use Crimson Paladins as a stand-in for power-armored dudes with 3+ save...
Lol, Battleshock doesn't seem to happen ever he says, yet here's me playing against my Son's Tyranids. He triggers shadow in the warp with a -1 due to his Neurotyrant and every one of my units failed their test. I mean, what are the chances? The dice gods sure had it in for me that day, lol.
Love your videos Brother!
Long time watcher, first time commenting
Have you tried 6 Bladeguard Vets with a Primaris Captain (kitted Indomitus style with the Honour Vehement) along with a Bladeguard Ancient in a Drop Pod?
Dropping into enemy deployment (first turn!) with that 4+ invuln and the free stratagem from the Captain makes them a pretty intimidating alpha strike squad for only 415
Backed, of course, by your recommendation of a ridiculous amount of armour
The only drop pod I have is still in it's box! I really need to get it made.
Good video. I just finished my judiciar too. I've been playing Sanguinius detachment just to get good with it because I think the codex will be aimed that way when it comes out.
Good choice!
Great video John, I'm running them as a squad.of 6 in an impulsor and that's worked out in the 3 games I've played. I much prefer this set up tbh will keep at it for a few more games.
Thanks for watching!
Honestly I think the blade guard & judicar combine with Lib dread or drop pod are really good at going for cp generators or smashing your enemy’s back line
Great video! Very educating and fun, keep it going! As a new guy in 40k this is gold!!! 😁🥳
Welcome aboard!
I used my bladeguard with the Lieutenant for my Deathwatch. I think you're sleeping on the fall back and charge ability on top of lethal hits. Being able to fight first because you charged or it being your opponents turn means that it grants more than a Judicar would. That also allows you to fall back in a different direction and charge a different unit without penalty. Plus, most detachments don't have that ability, much less for free. I don't really see a good reason not to take the Lieutenant.
BA do have a fall back and charge strat. And the dmg output of the fight first is really good Right?
Bladeguard have been my favorite unit since I started 40K back in 9th, I run 18 lol, I regret nothing😂
How often do you win?
@@ba_commander in 9th I ran 15 and I won fairly frequently, I liked their durability. I’ve only played one game of 10th and got mortal wounded off the board lol
Great breakdown man, enjoyable to listen to :)
Much appreciated!
I've been flirting with the idea of 6 man bladeguard w/ judiciar in a drop pod in a list with the librarian dread and Mephiston with sternguard. It would let me pop two fights first units right in the opponents face turn 1.
Does Mephiston have a sense with the Stenguards? They only have 3 s4 ap0 attacks
Just tried out bladeguard today for the 1st time they either spent the whole time running around or gettinged killed they didn't do much sadlly but my stormraven gunship is doing wonders
As a side note my opinion on sang gaurd pts change is they cost to much. The fact custodis can just jump around I think they need to give them stronger rules with Dante or reduce pts down to infantry cost. Or give them a inv and feel no pain
Great vid as usual. I'm glad someone does the maths as it's beyond me!
Glad to help!
2 6 man units in a land raider. One with a chaplain and one with a Judicar. Send the chaplain unit into armor and the judicar into infantry. Keep them close enough together for chaplain to protect both from battle shocked.
I like to put 5 of them in an Impulsor with a Judiciar. I call it "Dolorum Tramen" or "Pain Train".
While I don't know how to use excel (I'm an electrician), I am a bit of a math savant and can help with damage calculation formulae if you want.
Just thought I'd offer.
I add judiciar for FF. However I have in mind to run 6bgv + cap + ancient in Land Raider and since I use Redeemer there is a capacity of 14. So another 5 assault intercessors with judiciary or Mephiston for ff. Or 3bgv and judiciar. In my opinion, it's important to have a unit with ff as means for counter-charge. Yeah, if you have super strategic instinct you can position yourself in a way where nobody can reach you, but I prefer to have this instrument since they charge something and then you can heroic and spoil their charge a lot.
Another thing I have in mind, I don't think this -ap from gladius is good. Most of elite enemies will have some kind of invlul and I'm satisfied with with SoS bouns. Red Rampage in my opinion give more difference rather than ap-4 instead of ap-3. Plus, it works only in assault doctrine.
Great timing running some Vs guard on Sunday (guard list isn’t all armour thankfully)
Good luck my friend!!
Love these kind of videos. You're the best.
You're the kindest comment! Thank you!
I had a bad experience with bladeguard out of a land raider. They have those big bases, so since they need to be wholely within 3inches of the land raider, they have to wrap around the hull. They aren't like Assault Intercessors where you can stack them 2 bases deep. If you don't roll really well for the charge you end up with guys on the sidelines. I had a ton of attacks, but my captain just wiped out the front row before anyone else got to swing. Then the remaining gazillion crusaders and Grimaldus' crew came in on my opponents turn and mopped me up.
A real chapter? That’s the thanks we get for saving Baal!
What happened at Oghram stays at Oghram?
I have enough BGVs looking models to run 6 of them with a Judiciar or 3 of them plus a lieutenant and captain. On the one hand i really like the free stratagem and lethal hits that i would get with the lieutenant and captain, on the other i feel like only 3 veterans are would be way too squishy to do their job.
I think the Primaris Champion is a TRAP with 4 wounds and no Invuln. He is SO susceptible to sniper and precision fire, that he might never be alive to get the value from attaching him.
Good point I hadnt considered his lack of invun!
Im planning on going 6 bladeguard with a judiciar and bladeguard ancient
i wish i could (not sure if its possible but) bring 5 bladeguards + leading unit instead of 6 bladeguards + 1 leading unit, so i can use an impulsor for transport.
The new points restrictions make this annoying as you can’t buy 5 blade guard!
I loved this video, I’ve got 6 bladeguards I’m working on that I want to use with the very expensive Marneus Calgar and a landraider.
I know you’re the BA commander but can I ask how you’d rate running him with Calgar?
So 205 points with the Vitrix guard!? Seems not bad! I think as long as you use honour of the chapter against any T5 or higher enemies it seems decent? Would you need 6 though? What you trying to kill with it?
Great Video as always! Does anyone think the Land Raider Crusader has value? I have the BGVs, Captain and Ancient but only transport is Landraider Crusader
I think just Proxy the Crusader as a regular LR, the Crusaders weapons don't make a ton of sense in the current meta.
Be weary that the reroll save is only if you're using it on your invuls, so no so means no reroll 1's ..???
I think the gladius detachment is a good option as far as play, but feel each chapter needs to be only able to play a chapter specific detachment rule .
I think the idea behind Oath of Moment was to let them unify / balance marines better. Not sure it’s helped though!
I'm guilty of bringing a knight now to my games. I play all BAs but I've been doing Chaos soup when I play CSM so I'm bringing demons and a knight
Which one?
Can bladeguards take landraiders? I’m just restarting my army and confused with transport when it comes to Primaris marines
Yes up to 12 Bgv can fit inside a land raider my friend!
Hey Commander! Looking at Bladeguard Veterans in 2024 which Character would you be taking with Bladeguard? Greetings
Judicar 100%
@@ba_commander thanks for the Quick answer! My first army was Blood Angels in 5th Edition, after years of playing Imperial Guard an Thousand Sons your Videos convinced me to dust of my Blood Angels and take them for a spin ;) Thanks for the great content
I feel like bgv are decent but overall a flawed choice for competitive play. Have to spend like 300 points to make them effective and they aren’t reliably getting damage in each turn. A single 3 man squad with a left over 100 points is an interesting idea though as an annoying mid board unit to threaten charges with
Hi I’m new! I have a question.
Can I attach lieutenant(storm shield and sword) and sanguinary priest with blade guard veterans?
Also can I attached captain and priest (jump pack) with sanguinary guard??
Please let me know.
The priest cannot attach to the Sanguinary guard! The other combo looks valid!
@@ba_commander dang… I thought a priest attached to a captain would be able to lead sanguinary guard. Wording is a bit confusing for me haha.
I really steuggle with them. A 6 man squad is 180 points, and a 5 man terminator squad is 185.
It's 5 points more for one less body, but they are just better in almost ever way. Tougher, hit harder in melee and in the shooting phase, have deep strike, also can get a captain, got the same 4++ but a better save.
Bladeguards are dead in my eyes and that's so sad, because it's ine if the best looking units.
You should check out my video coming out today!
Is the gladius stats taking assault doc into consideration
You mean for the extra AP?
@@ba_commander Yeah
i'd put max bladeguard with a judiciar in a drop pod and slap them down turn 1 in my opponents face
Can i attach gabriel seth to the bladeguard vets?
You cannot :(
@@ba_commanderthank you, what CAN I attach to seth?
I think I prefer a terminator squad.
How come?
@@ba_commander Well, if you want to make a double-character brick of a unit, the Bladeguard vets are a lot more points efficient, but for a regular unit I find the terminator squad's more balanced loadout and increased toughness overwhelmingly better.
I've been very pleasantly surprised at how well rapid-firing storm bolters fare and I'm just not sold on S5 weapons, even at D2. The vets aren't good enough at their speciality to compete favourable with the multi-role terminators, imo. Add in Deep Strike, and Teleport Homer and I'm sold.
Also, that 2+ armour save has been more relevant than I expected, so a flat 190 points for 5 terminators is more viable than just 180 points for 6 bladeguard. Terminator characters are too expensive, though.
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The company champion is no longer a valid model outside of the company heroes 😊
Sad times…
Damn l have 5, but have to pay for 6. Sad
Conversion time?
Simple
Don't
I think you’re wrong. I like BGVs