GW models are TOO detailed and OBNOXIOUS!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2022
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I recently finished a necromunda gang and moved on to painting a malifaux crew, and let me tell you, it was SUCH a change suddenly being able to paint shirt-pants-skin-done instead of endless layers of little interlocking baubles and belts EVERYWHERE
I keep looking at my Necromunda models and end up rocking in the corner, not knowing where to even start. They're too detailed. It's god-damned overwhelming if you aren't experienced in dealing with GW's over-designed minis.
We had this in Warhammer fantasy for years!
Here's a trick I started using recently: get some speedpaint/contrast. You see belts, straps, pouches: paint them either white, light grey, or off white. Then pick a sensible speedpaint/contrast, your browns or blacks, then apply. Now you have decently shaded and highlighted miscellanea on your mini!
Not touching vintage Necro models?
I'm a bit torn on Malifax models, though I do have a load of SW Legion models to get through. And the thought of those models is more intimating than anything GW can ever come up with - IMO.
Look at far as I'm concerned assembling Malifaux minis is a right of passage for any mini gamer. Congratulations on finding the best skirmish game though!
The gaudiness is part of the warhammer aesthetic. I can't imagine looking at a model and thinking "this would look better with less stuff on it!" I usually find myself thinking of what stuff I can add to it to make it more obnoxious.
Same always adding more to my models! Legit spend so much time buying bits lots on eBay to add more
Personally, I prefer the simpler models because then I get to pick all the obnoxious gubbins to slap onto them. A blank slate is easier to add to, or you can choose not to add to it if that's your vibe.
@@bleepsy exactly, I don't want GW dictating what is on the model / I have to spend forever removing details I don't want.
@@bleepsy exactly, also the choice to have some parts look smooth to make the gubbins stand out is nice
@@bleepsy i am new to the models part of warhammer and have only painted one necron warrior, but the entire time i had the urge to grab my exacto knife scratch in more damage (even though i gave them enough during assembly).
This is actually why I like the new Mk VI Marines for HH, as they are quite "plain" and very quick to paint, but still allow you to add more detail in forms of extra parts, transfers etc.
I think that's the best approach; as much as anything else, all the details (a lot like 'dynamic' poses) make repeats of the same sculpt stand out like a sore thumb. If you start with undecorated minis, and add the pouches, purity seals and other stff as you see fit, not only do you get your own unique model, but if you've got 2 of the same in your army, it's really easy to make them look different while still being part of the same army.
Same, they're like a blank canvas that I can put on my own details to taste.
Jup i love the New HH Modells but unfortunatley i hate the System.....
that's why I also liked the new Chosen scultps - with different detail-level torsos and pauldrons - I put together some extremely busy and ornate models (against the instruction, duh) and a few plain ones - all great in their own way
@@Messermarkmauritzrelic terminators and relic dreads say hi. Also just use the mk 6 to build tac squads
I love the details but it really depends on the model. For a luxurious and zealous space marine it makes sense, but for a basic guardsman it doesn’t. And I think generally GW does a pretty good job with that, I mean look at the Eldar troops, simple and effective
Now that I think about it, that might be why guardsmen and termagaunts are the last really old basic troops still sold?
@@BlastedRodent don't forget ork boyz
why doesn't it make sense for guardsmen? if anything the average guardsmen is more religious and superstitious than your average marine.
@@BlastedRodent new guardians are still pleasantly simple, granted they needed a refresh more than even the cadians
@@matthiuskoenig3378 personality-wise, maybe, which you can convert, but guard gear is mass porduced and standard issue, anything else is your worlds affectations.
So they did them right.
I love Jay. Owns a massive Black Templar army and is a big fan of their lore. GW release a bunch of new black Templar models and he’s like “I’ll pass thanks”. Where as most TH-cam creatures would have preordered the box and made a million videos of them opening the box, building the box, painting the box, pairing more of the box…..and son on.
Keep up the good guys. Your channel is fantastic.
I recommend everyone that collects or plays with human sized factions like Imperial Guard to check out Stargrave and Frostgrave kits. Excellent stuff perfect for kitbashing
Also wargaming Atlantic
These are both true statements. Both companies give you so much kit bash fodder for very good prices.
Love this quick and easy breakdown of the mini into broad sections of color--and I totally didn't notice the back of the tabard was still black. It is weirdly freeing to see someone who paints so well giving permission to skip over details or just giving them a small amount of color before moving on!
Painting all the details on a GW mini means that my painting time investment actually validates the amount of money I spend on them.
Same here 👍👍!
Totally agree my outlook is if I pay 15 pounds in the UK I means I should get at least 15 hours out of it
Absolutely agree thats the reason I chose to finally take the leap. I love the detail. Building amd painting is cathartic and therapeutic.
These look so good! My biggest wish for this hobby is that every participant genuinely enjoys it, whatever that means to them 👍👍
Great work, Jay. I can see many newcomers to the hobby use your videos to paint their models. Duncan Rhodes is also a great reference, though he does use many paints to achieve the same thing. There are quite a number of good model painters to watch on TH-cam, and you are definitely very good at what you do.
I just wanna shoutout the little things in the editing in this video. The chair spin into the painting sektion was crisp. Sometimes a mini can look bare and unfinished but when you start coloring in the little details like buttons, armor chipping or cabels it makes the whole thkng so much better. Thats basically what you do to this video. Keep up the little "quality-of-life"-like additions in the production 👍
I couldn’t agree more! My issue with say space marines is that it takes me 2-3 hours, which for one mini is a lot understandably. While with soldiers or even your average guardsman, is about 30 mins to 1 hour so not too bad. Really great vid by the way!
Only 2-3 hours? How?
You and a few others have inspired me to collect Black Templars and I love your Templars! I do paint differently but I still like’em
The Black Templar custom of chaining the weapon to the hand was actually something Sigismund picked up from his time dueling in the gladiatorial pits of the World Eaters legion.
Love the energy and enthusiasm you share with us for your hobby.
Keep on going on
Fantastic video as usual. I've recently returned to the hobby after many years, thank you so much for your videos as they are really fun and quite motiviational too, your energy is infectious! Thank you for helping me return gracefully :)
my guy should have seen Confrontation models back in the day...that was some detail gallore :D
The fact that Jay keeps losing against Nicks orks is pretty lore accurate. Keep it up
Started the Indomitus box mainly for the Necrons since my primary army is AdMech and there are lots of good lore between the 2 but this gave me inspiration to get going on the Ultramarines!
An Indomitus box was my first wargaming purchase I've ever made (February 2022). I can say with pride that finished the entire box before making another purchase. I really appreciate this video and the "You don't have to paint everything mentality." I started with the Assault Intercessors and spent 2-4 hours on each painstakingly painting every detail and correcting every error I made. Characters would take me an entire day of painting. When I played my first game and saw all my models at table top distance, and 5 of my 10 Assault intercessors got wiped off the table in turn 1. I got a very quick perspective on just how much time I should be spending on each model haha
Phenomal job! The extra effort you put into the right places makes all the difference! Thanks for all your great advice!
And great work on the video-ing Nick :)
I love how detailed they get… I started painting maybe a month or two ago and was totally intimidated by how complex some designs were. So I started with basic Space Marines. I’ve gotten fairly good at painting those and look forward to doing more complex paint jobs now!
Thanks for making me buy those Minis cant wait to paint them aswell! As always your Paintjob in insane! Much Love and keep up the good Content!
Great result. I like experimenting with variations on a colour scheme. I always feel like when I paint I’m bringing the model to life - fleshing it out, telling a story. And when that black rim paint goes on, it’s like closing the book!
I love the wall of detail. Overly ornate is the style of 40k and I love it.
Great black templars paint recipe. Really helped me paint more efficiently, thanks man 👍
Never thought of painting everything in the Indomitus box as such a great accomplishment. I think it took 2 months or so everyday. Sure, I'll take it though as being a part of the cool kids club. 😎
They turned out great! Coincidentally, I finally started building my Spehz Mehreens from Indomitus last night. I have a whole 2 of them done. BUT... I have all of the Necrons built and painted (plus a LOT more on top of that), so I think I am ahead of the curve. ALSO... I do not need another wet pallet, as the Masterson Sta-Wet pallet is pretty much perfect for me... but that Cobalt Keep one looks pretty cool and they keep sponsoring you guys AND... I am a sucker for Kickstarters, so I threw a few bucks their way. Thanks for making me spend more money, jerks.
I’M RIGHT in the middle of figuring out my black Templars armor technique and xenithal’ing white scar of black, but your technique of pre-highlighting and mixing contrast Black Templar with nuln and leviathan is EXACTLY what I’m looking for!!
I’m so glad I chose to go with Blood Angels as my main army, if it wasn’t for the Mephiston Red rattle can a good half of my army would still be in my POS
I love that artwork reference you showed (the one about the shield). I actually have it on a box displayed in my room.
Meanwhile me thinking GW models details are just on spot: Looking at you ArchVillain.
You are a beast, great work and such an important topic to prevent hobby burn-out! 👍🏻
I always paint all the details on my minis (at the moment Sacred Rose soros) even if the details are hidden and on the battlefield hard to spot. I always go for the eavy metal style (love that comic look). I dont mind that every single miniature takes it time, thats why I also dont use an airbrush for shortcuts. For me its all about the journey. And you will really get to know every single one of your minis when painting every detail thats there. :)
Really impressed with how you painted the decals freehand. Goods job bro.
Your channel is such a blast.
Jay is the Yoda of mini painting!
The video actually turned out much less toxic then i anticipated from the titel. Glad you got the curve and focused on your educational tips and tricks instead of just ranting off. Love it, pls keep on giving!!
holy moly this video is so good. that black armor is excellent
I absolutely agree, that the GW miniatures have too much detail. In addition, they often lack empty surfaces big enough for decals or freehanding. This is why I love the Knights and Titan models, because they give you the empty space to be creative.
have you seen archvillaingames minis??? their new lizard warriors are way more detailed than a space marine xD
I‘ve just taken a look at them, and yes, they are insanely detailed. But the nice thing about them is, that their details are actually in scale to the rest of the model. Space Marines aren’t very detailed most of the time (although they have a lot of edges for you to highlight). However GW details are always way too large and out of scale. At least Marines have dedicated surfaces for heraldry. Shields and banners should include an empty default version, which lets the painter choose their own heraldry.
@@mathiasroth1416 GW models are actually very balanced around the scale and are made to be readable from a tabletop distance. The details are very well designed in that regard. They're less meant to be proportionally accurate models and I personally like it way more this way. It's easy to make a super detailed model, but way harder to make it simple and balanced.
As someone who has been building some of the new Chaos Knights recently, I wholeheartedly agree. It's also part of the reason why I'm actually really excited for the Leagues of Votann because they've got chunky armour that isn't covered up by all sorts of useless nonsense - so I can add my own useless nonsense in as great or as small quantities as I like.
Great paintjob
I actually like the detail of GW models. I enjoy painting and you can choose to detail as much or as little of the model as you like
THANK YOU!
The indomitus box was my first full box that I finished, the whole thing took me 1.5 months but my husband and I did it together so that really helped get it done.
Can't lie, 1.5 months for Indomitus, especially as your first box, is a bit sus.
I’m quite new to the hobby so I might not have the most fleshed out takes but I really enjoy the details so far on my plague marines and yeah I needed a lot of individual paints but now I have some more paints to experiment with on future models
The nmm with metallic hi lights is a great idea, thanks.
Turned out great!
I took have been painting black templar I'm def gonna try the contrast method you showed here
Glances over to my recently purchased Infinity miniatures... that have a LOT of details.
I just kitbashed an ordo malleus inquisitor for my guard army out of a grey knights librarian. It was fun adding on all the extra bits and demon heads and custom chopping a cross topper for his force stave.
But MAN is there a lot going on with him. Hes absolutely covered in stuff. Im looking forward to painting him to be as gaudy and flashy as possible. Nothing cooler than an inquisitor in full battle rattle.
Great video and one of your best model yet! That said why did you not paint the bits you will see most when playing with them?
I definitely am in the "they are too detailed" camp. Try painting a chaos space marine army from scratch. It'll be 13th edition by the time you're ready for a game.
Nothing is better than the feeling of actually having the end of a project in sight. My nighthaunt army has at least 150 models, and currently, only 34 waiting on paint. Hoping to have them done by the end of the year, unless I get more
You can avoid painting your pile of shame by stepping on it? This opens up so many possibilities. . .
that panting tray looks really sweet :)
Loved it. ❤️ 😍
I do paint my ws black, then drybrush em grey and again lighter grey w a lil stippling, then go to work w watered down colors so the drubrushing underneath shows through
I feel this way about the Death Guard models. I love all the grossness but they’re such busy models
I snipe off the tentacles and fill in a few holes, not to mention taking the time to head swap them and those models 100% better.
@@rutgaurxi7314 Nice! I reckon I’ll probably end up doing that. I like a mouth-stomach here or a tentacle there, but when one regular plague marine has a dozen different mutations or expose organ etc, it becomes a bit overwhelming to imagine painting 2000 points of them.
@@taliesinbreen It really does become a bit much. I'm trying to move my models closer to the third edition metal models, as they capture the right atmosphere for the Death Guard, at least as far as I'm concerned.
Thanks!
This video just accidentally became the best black armor technique I’ve ever seen on TH-cam. Thank you so much!!!
I don't know if anyone will see this. But I love this kind of tips. I'm having problem of being to precise. It takes me hoouurs to paint one small fighter. I want it to be perfect. But it takes too much time. I will buy airbrush once cuz I see it's so much easier to paint with it
You dont have to paint every little bit and detail its own seperate color. Plenty of things on a gw model that can be "skipped" or cheated on and still look good. Sometimes over detailing only leads to burn out and half finished work in the shame pile. From the get go I always ask what can be spared the excess time and articulation. Belt buckles? Little skulls on the guns? Every little ornament on a necklace?
I made my cutom chapter bird-inspired, so I added lots of feathers and little greeblies....its a CHORE to paint them! but damn do they look so cool when theyre done!
Love your videos bud. You have been my go to now.
Question about this technique. What black do you use if you need to make corrections? My base coats has always been Abaddon black so when I need to make corrections, I just use AB again.
Yes, imma comment on every video that it is a good surgery recovery video. They are. Im on recovery. Nobody can stop me
I work with pigments for sealants and almost every batch has blue added to it. Clear, white, and black all have blue to make colors more neutral and deeper.
I think it makes sense in terms of making more expensive models seem more worth it, but it would be cool if most of the unique parts are more modular and loose bits in the kit, a good example of this is the Krieg guardmen from the Octarius kit, they have a lot of options for extra details, but they are mostly loose bits. Making them ideal to add to bases, or make 1 guy a carrier of everything, while keeping their overall look simple.
I'm painting a Primaris Cap with a shield right now (funny it's also BT) and decided to skip all the stuff on the legs and knees to draw more attention to the center of the mini.
My very 1st space marine I ever painted was a Primaris Lieutenant, so to me, I associate the quintessential space marine as a primaris one. One day after watching a video on mini painting, I just wanted to start painting and that was the one that caught my eye first, so I bought it. That was almost a year ago. Sure, it was difficult at times to paint, but I soldiered on and proved to myself I could paint it even though it was pretty intimidating and at times believed I couldn't get those really detailed tiny parts done. I even painted most of it with synthetic brushes which started curling not long after using them, but I persevered. What really sucked was when I strted painting, I bought a Raphael 2 brush, bc lot's of ppl recommended it & I guess I did something wrong or it was a dud bc it split very badly very quickly. I don't even know or remember if it was actually useable the 1st day of painting. Probably not. Anyway, great vid. Thank you.
I’d love to see a series video of you playing through a crusade
Have you ever tried Tamiya paints through the airbrush? Specifically flat white. It was a game changer for me. So buttery smooth.
I like it, i love to spend my time on detailed modles, i like my stuff to look the best I can
Thank you just made pledge to the kickstarter campaign
Man i discovered your channel yesterday. I am not into WH40k or any board game but i cannot stop watching :)
oh dayum! those swords look so fire in contrast to the black armor :o
Bladeguard is love
Bladeguard is life
Good job jay, nice white scars you’ve painted there
I think the models look awesome but as a newbie they also look very intimidating. I bought the commander class starter box and I’m saving that bladeguard for last. First gotta build up some experience or I wouldn’t even know where to begin on a model like that.
i consider myself a novice painter im not good at blending and all that but these more busy models i have alot of fun and practice with all the different materials on the models from metals bone leather skin and other types of metals and leathers even gives me alot of practice (helps me practice trying to paint neatly too) as busy as they are idk, i kinda like em
If you want a good argument that GW models have too much detail, look at the Lumineth Realm Lords range for Age of Sigmar. I don't think that's the case for *everything* GW, after all, look at Stormcast Eternals, they've got just enough detail on them on most of their models. But Lumineth just have too much. At least in my opinion.
Also, Games Workshop paints their minis a certain way for another goal: To get you to buy their paints (also why they don't talk about mixing paint).
I just finished my Stars of Akarios board game minis and there were relatively few colors I used straight from the bottle, no-mixing. I almost always mixed to achieve the blue or brown or red present in the picture I was trying to emulate.
As someone who is relatively new to 40k models but not to 40k lore, I've been finding myself going out of my way to buy the gaudier/more detailed kits (e.g. Blood Angels Assault Terminators or Firstborn Death Company models) because GW generally seems to be avoiding that level of detail/overdecoration in a lot of the newer models they put out, so whenever they put out stuff that is highly detailed it is a win for me. Plus any molded detail saves me from having to freehand!
Primaris proportions I like, but when they skimp on detail (especially chapter stuff like on the Death Company Intercessors) it makes me long for the older stuff.
out of spite, I'm going to kitbash more skulls onto my next space marine.
This sounds like a job for my newly patented "paintbrush with a sniper scope mounted onto it"
You should try putting the black decal on and paint over it with black
I'm not a big fan of the highlight gradient on the red parts, it's just not right to me visually, but that's up to personal preference and I like the rest alot
As I'm just getting started painting Warhammer 40k (Sisters of Battle), coming from painting games like Star Wars: Legion, Marvel: Crisis Protocol and ASOIAF, Warhammer models are definitely much more detailed. I often stick to painting simply (sticking to a basecoat or two and maybe a few highlights followed by some washes, or using contrast/speedpaint), focusing on getting miniatures on the tabletop, and Warhammer miniatures definitely cause me to put more time into them due to the details. Although I've practiced more advanced techniques, I'm not trying to win a Golden Demon. I appreciate a great, 4+ hour paint job, but it's not my job to paint amazing models for TH-cam, and that probably accounts for why I'm more interested in getting my miniatures ready for battle.
One of the things I've noticed is that the Lieutenant from the Recruit version 9e starter set seems to be just a blade guard veteran
My next army must pass the loincloth test. Xx
Damn love it
Yes. And I bloody love them for it.
This is partially why I like Necrons, not covered in pouches, grenades and other details!
Also the cobalt keep wet pallet looks good, but it comes with a copper disc - what is that for?!
The copper disc is probably to prevent mold etc from growing on the wet pallet as copper has antimicrobial properties
I feel kinda weird now finishing the Indomitus Box after a month when it dropped.
so complex... jeez the painters are crazy humans. Good job man.
Holy shit. That palette looks great!
In a very few codex’s mixing and thinking down paints are starting to be recommended by GW( the big example is the most recent skaven codex with the horns and mulch examples)
sick grey templars
I would have just applied the black decal sheets anyway and then used them as a guideline to speed up the freehanding process! If you stay within the lines well enough you even have a defined black edge to add some depth, even over a black shoulder pad!
As someone who almost exclusively paints admech, there can NEVER be too much detail!!!