Lumix S5ii vs Sony A7iv vs Canon R5c Auto Focus comparison at Unique Photo in Fairfield, NJ
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2023
- Check out the AF performance between the Lumix S5ii against the Sony A7iv, and Canon R5C. We also got to check out mostly finished picture profiles, LOG profiles, and oversampled resolution tests. Unique Photo in Fairfield, NJ hosted a first look, and we were able to do some interesting tests. Thank you to Unique Photo as well as Panasonic Lumix for letting us play with the new Lumix S5ii.
Thank you for your effort to put together this great comparison. Just bought the S5II last week.
Thank you so much, glad you enjoyed it. But more importantly….enjoy that S5ii 😎
I want to wait for the Lumix S5IIx too. I own the S5 right now. Thanks for the testing, great!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Hope you enjoy your S5iiX as well. What lenses you planning on using with it?
@@PioneerFoto I have the Lumix 20-60mm and also 85mm F1.8, but with MC-21 adapter, I can use my Canon glasses. Thanks.
Canon R5 C / Panasonic GH6 shooter here myself. I also own the R6 Mk II. And yes, I most certainly have pre-ordered the S5 II X. Panasonic really knocked it out of the wheelhouse with the S5 II and S5 II X. Exciting times.
That’s super interesting! What are you looking forward to on the S5iiX that the R6ii won’t do?
@@PioneerFoto Waveform, Vector scope, shutter angle, C4k, ProRes, SSD recording ...
On the stills side, pixel-shift high res stills. That's just for starters.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual Nice! We’re with you. Looking forward to the c4k, ssd, ProRes, and everything else the S5ii is throwing in there. Just wish we didn’t have to wait till May to receive delivery. But oh well.
@@PioneerFoto ❤
great test and i am happy that
you give lumix a rather good rating.
Many thanks 🙏
Very well. Thanks! Subscribed!
Much appreciated 🙏🙏
My S5II works great---mainly with Canon Ef lenses, which were all inexpensive. But the AF is as good as the Panasonic lenses.
What a bargain this camera is, and the image from the new sensor is GREAT!
what ef lenses would you recommend on the s5ii that work great? I do commercial videos and product photography.. just brought the panasonic 24-105mm but looking for more lenses
im new to the s5ii, can you share how you put EF lenses on panasonic ? are you using an adapter or am I missing something ?
@@lubostoev9924 There are a few different EF to L Mount adapters. The most famour / popular one is the Sigma MC-21, but I think that Viltrox / Commlie and Fotodiox (?) make EF to L-Mount adapters as well.
Good to know that they work well. Thanks.
would love to see the same test, where all of them are put to max speed.
We’re planning on testing that when we get the S5iiX. Max speeds are normally for faster moving subjects like cars, birds, etc. But we still wanna try it. Thank you for the watch.
Great testing method! Happy to see Panasonic step up but, the S5II can't use PDAF 50/60FPS on FHD, while Sony A7 IV can. Also, the external HDMI plugged in hinders AF as well. Strange. Maybe this points to a lack of processor (L2 engine) power on the S5II? I hope it's just a firmware update away from matching Sony/Canon AF.
Really good points. Maybe we should do a round 2 and do some hdmi test. I agree, hopefully some firmware updates can fix this. We thought about doing 4k 60 test with AF, but again we don't have an R6ii and it would be unfair to compare it to the R5C as the R5C does 4k 60 full frame.
HDMI has no effect on any of the 4K modes. It only disables subject detection in 6K (which the Sony can't do at all), but still uses PDAF. What you wrote about the 1080p/60 mode is true. Personally I don't care. I buy it for the 6K/4K. Didn't shoot a thing in FHD for 4 years now.
Just to point out real quick: the s5ii has PDAF in FHD 50/60 but only in apsc mode.
@@laliland HDMI output is around 7 fps while an A7 IV is around 3. Considering that the S5ii is touted as a video centric camera, that delay is less than optimal in a video workflow.
Wrong about The HDMI. PDAF works fine in HDMI to Ninja V. True anything over 30fps full frame loses PDAF but with APSC crop 60fps PDAF works fine. But I think the takeaway is the S5II is not a slow motion camera. If you need slowmo look elsewhere.
Thanks for the comparison tests. My only complaint about this video is that maybe your intro is a bit TOO epic for the tone of the rest of your video. Hope you don't mind me saying that.
this is a very strange test. on s5|| is sigma worth it? Sony also has sigma? Kenon has native optics, it’s clear it will be faster, take 24-70mm to all cameras of your company, then it will be an objective test, otherwise it sucks.
Which wireless mic are you using if you don’t mind sharing ?
Used the Rode Wireless Go II…..not my favorite, and getting rid of it.
@@PioneerFoto ....and replace it with?
@@LeonMais Sennheiser AVX with MKE2 lav
@@PioneerFoto Thanks for the info and a great video. Keep up the good work.
@@LeonMais much appreciated 🙏
Which camera look more real to your skin tone and hair colour
I think it’s subjective. If you’re shooting in log, it won’t matter. If you’re comparing Cinelike D vs S Cinetone vs C1 (BT709 Wide DR) I think it would depend on the shooing environment. For my personal skin tone and hair color…
Indoors with overhead store lighting (not the best scenario)- Panasonic
Outdoors in full sun- Sony
Natural window light- Canon, sometimes Sony (depending on WB).
Whan making AF comparisons, it makes sense to use native lenses - why not use a native Sony lens?
Panasonic is slowly releasing new lens firmware updates for their S5II camera, so testing with a lens not optimized for the camera is a bad idea. Sigma will be updating their lens firmware for the S5II later this year.
Hopefully Panasonic doesn't take too long. Without firmware updates, they leave us no other choice but to test and use "non optimized lenses".
You can also adjust how fast you want the focus to adjust. That gives better results.
@@PioneerFoto S5II reviews made with the new 20-60mm kit lens did very well because it's firmware was made for the new camera. ( if you go to the lens firmware site you will find a total of 4 lenses updated for the S5II )
@@UltratecJS Yes, see 3:00 mark of video. We tried to set all cameras equally.
what lenses would you recommend on the s5ii that work great? I do commercial videos and product photography.. just brought the panasonic 24-105mm but looking for more lenses
Have to raise up the sensitivity on the Panasonic to 4 or 5 then I would not lose focus…
Please tell me this is true, Panasonic s5 mark2 -1080p 4.2.2 10 bit 24/25/30fps FF (Full-Frame) use PDAF. 1080p 4.2.2. 10 bit 50/60fps FF use DFD (old contrast method). 1080p 50/60fps APS-C mode use PDAF.
1080p there is no PDAF! I tried the camera in the store.
True, I own s5m2, full hd just a s5, I will recommend wait for next one or choose Sony without doubt
I'm surprised there is not much talk about lenses.
S5 ii is a great camera but it's the same price as Sony a7iv now in some locations (Sony is getting cheaper or gets on sale now and then as it's older now). So the Panasonic is losing the price advantage. And Sony has more and cheaper lenses so in the end we end up paying more for Panasonic system. Also there is many more Sony second hand lenses.
Canon RF lenses are even more expensive so Canon would be the most expansive system when also considering lenses price.
If Panasonic is a more expensive system than Sony it should be better to justify the extra price.
Is it? Or is it better to go for A7 iv which is around the same price and will allow you to save money on lenses.
Additionally, it is possible that Sony will release a good update to a7iv too in the future. Then it will be good to own Sony E mount lenses.
I don’t know where the price of the A7iv is decreasing. Certainly not in my neck of the woods. In Toronto all Sony prices hold firm except for Christmas where Sony my lower the price by $100. Sony G and GM lenses are expensive.
Panasonic is a clear winner here in terms of price and specs.
Panasonic image> Looks like it has the smoothest highlight rollof, best skintone and nice saturation in the shadows
I think Lumix is best i alredy used it for long time
Lumix is very easy to use. The early Gh4/5 had features apsc and full frame cameras couldn’t yet offer.
Please... maybe Canon R5C is almost double the price, but is older. Canon R6 Mark II has much more better AF than R5C and price of the camera is the same as Lumix... BUT yes... the video capibility of LUMIX is awesome... more video camera than still camera and I love what Panasonic do
S5II ausome
5:49 I like the naruto run
Why to not put AF speed at max setting if you measure AF reactivity ??? I'm sure the S5II will behave better in your test with AF speed at max value (it is shown in this video for example : th-cam.com/video/PpdJCIArUJo/w-d-xo.html). Indeed, by default Panasonic tends to preserve some smoothness in the AF transitions, so the max reactivity is not the goal at default settings.
canon color looks good and natural
S5ii is a bit too magenta
the lumix has magenta tint to it...look at the girl green army jacket
I don't think your settings are good for the Panasonic. Never the less, there's not meaningful practical difference. But the Panasonic wins in all other categories.
No real meaningful difference.
Thanks for your testing but there is sound noise in your video 🤮
Seems like Sony focus is more reliable and predictable...glad I own the A74
Use factory lense and see the magic, third party lense don good in af
This third party Sigma lens ($800) beat a Canon 24-70 2.8 ($2400) “factory” lens. Can’t say third party lenses don’t do good auto focus. Same third party lenses are better than native.
this is a stupid review! The s5ii is better than Canon, it depends on the lens and if someone gives you a bad lens, it only humiliates the machine and the review is not authentic
the s5ii is better than the R5C ? And the R5C has a alot worse autofocus compared to the same camera in same price class r6 mII that would ruin both the a74 and s5ii in autofocus.
The internals of the R5C is way to good to be compared to these cameras, just the autofocus thats lacking due to the cinema os
@@DubYaJsWorld what ef lenses would you recommend on the s5ii that work great? I do commercial videos and product photography.. just brought the panasonic 24-105mm but looking for more lenses
@@DubYaJsWorld Nice. I think once the price is factored in, the Sii easily trumps Canon. But thanks for your hands on observation.
the title should be video AF test...sigh
First of all, it's PHAF (H=Hybrid), not Pdaf!!
Stop doing such wrong and boring tests.
Go outside to the real world and try to focus on tracking a person, which is between many people. Then try to focus on a branch with a lot of light behind the tree. Then try to focus on tracking your dog and you understand that sometimes the focus is on the head, sometimes on the tail of the dog. Yes the PHAF, is an improvement for Panasonic.
Choosing to use an "old" and slow sensor ESSENTIALLY BRINGS THE AF LEVEL OF THE S5II UP TO THE SAME LEVEL AS THE AF OF THE SONY A7III!!!
That is, in 2018!!!
Whatever test you do compares Sony and Canon, the s5ii, WITH THAT PARTICULAR PHAF, IS AT LEAST 1 GENERATION BEHIND...
Wow....we sense some hostility. Full disclosure- Lumix was a guest of Unique Photo, and we were guests of both. The camera is a preproduction model. They wouldn't let us take the camera outside to "focus on branches" or "trees with the sun behind it" or into public places where there are groups of people and possible "dogs". We did the best we could with a camera that is not ours, as guests in a commercial business. But thank you for the watch.
@Pioneer Media
Oh, I got it.
PDAF, it's a nice balloon, which became PHAF, and now that it ...deflates...it goes Pfffaaaffff.....
@@PioneerFoto Ignore the trolls? Haha.
@@chriss2295 True. Bill me for the therapy session.
@@DroneStories Panasonic clearly states it to be a Hybrid focusing system incorporating phase detection and contrast detection from start. PHAF/PDAF whatever you want to call it (Panasonic calls it PDAF in their brochures.. Don't know where PHAF would fit in)
sony focus 2nd no becous sigma lens use.
The S5 II is a huge disappointment with most profiles because of oversharpening and details filtering.
your test is not equivalent because your s5ii is with sigma lens... my s5ii with lumix lenses with much better results the your test
S5ii and Sony A7iv both had the same sigma lens….that is the very definition of “equivalent”. I’d love to hear your results of your S5ii with your Lumix lens vs Sony A7iv with a Sony lens. What were your results?
no disrespect, but how is this fair? r5c is double the price
Completely understand. When it comes to video features, the R5C easily wins hands down. That’s why it’s double the price. This comparison is about about the autofocus. As mentioned in the video, we don’t have an R6ii which is really in the same arena as the S5ii and A7iv. The R5C’s auto focus for ppl will perform the same as the R6ii. In that way, the comparison for auto focus is fair across the board.
This test is simply done stupidly. If you test the quickness of the AF, why didn't you just put all cameras at max sensitivity setting. You put the lowest sensitivity to the Lumix and what would be the expected result... pf no comment.