Love this question! I’m doing another episode of this topic. Canon R5 II may be the most perfect camera ever made. With C Log 2 and its photo capabilities, it combines the highlights of the Sony FX3 with the original Canon R5. Gonna review it before the year is out!
Very good content. I’m basically a photographer that needs to venture into videography. I’ve own cameras and lenses for both systems, and I’ve photographed with the R5 and a7iv but don’t own either camera. With these holiday sales it is a tough choice in which to choose. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for watching! Both are really good cameras overall! If video becomes a priority, that’s when I recommend anyone to try Sony and even the new LUMIX cameras. But for photography, it’s actually hard to find a bad camera! Good luck!
I've been looking at this cam to pair with my blackmagic. I 👀 a lot of reviews complaining about the sensor failing. Now I'm wondering if I should go with an r5
The other biggest gripe with the R5... Recording limits. I shoot ambiant soundscapes and moving into mobile podcasts and interviews. LET ME OVERHEAT MY CAMERA!... It doesn't overheat in 1080 30 or 4k 30! In my use cases...
Haha I will tell you bro, only way I could shoot podcasts with my R5 and R6 was to record using the Atomos Ninja V to avoid overheating and the record limit. Just too many workarounds needed
the main thing is was so disappointed in with the canon r5 (was a Nikon then Sony shooter that was curious about the r5), you can only shoot 10 bit video if you are in log... which I get because 10 bit really matters with the "most" dynamic range... but being able to shoot some fun stuff with s cinetone, and it being 10bit was a little treat lol that I didn't even know was a treat until I tried canon.
Hey! I actually never use presets. I have been creating Lightroom tutorial videos on here, and I’ll add those photos to the list to make an editing tutorial! I have BTS of the shoot too!
No doubt currently the Sony is superior. However my first pro kinda motor less camera was the R6 and the a7iv was not out. I just made it work for my workflow, ye there are some huge cons using the R6 however I can get the job done with no real issues If I were to switch brands I def would go for the Panasonic s5iix due to the video feature and also the lenses selection looking good and also there up coming cameras also looking extremely promising Sony is a SOLID choice no matter what
Right now B&H has the Canon EOS R5 with a 2TB SanDisk portable SSD for for $2,999 and the Sony a7 IV for $2,298. To me is all about Canon color science vs Sony color science. I like Canon Color science straight out of the camera, I don’t buy Specs. I don’t care about specs if I don’t like the color science of the camera. I’ll never switch, Canon for life!
Recently Canon opened up the RF mount to third party manufacturers like Sigma and Tamron, BUT ONLY FOR APS-C. There's a reason for that. Almost no professionals are using aps-c these days, they're nearly all using Full Frame. Canon does not want to invest as much money into R&D for dedicated APS-C lenses for the much smaller mass consumer market which demands these lenses be on the cheaper side. So they opened the rf mount up for apsc hoping Sigma, Tamron or whoever will fill that lens gap in the aps-c market for them. Having them fight over the scraps in the low cost lens market. That's really scummy of Canon to do that. Sony is no saint either, look at playstation, but at least for cameras the current E-Mount system and A series cameras are far more consumer and professional friendly.
I own the A7S3 and Canon R5. Because of how good the photography and colors / overall image of the R5 it is my go to. When the R5II comes out the dynamic range will crush.
Oh it’s an INCREDIBLE photo camera. But If they decide to continue to omit C Log 2, dynamic range will remain on par with the first R5. I don’t care how good a censor is, it won’t overcome a log curve with too much contrast
@@mariodevon_ I haven’t had that problem. The only issue I have had is the highlights clipping on the dynamic range but it’s not terrible. If it can get the dynamic range of the R5C I am in
@@heynow2880 wait I know th a7siii is a photo camera but lets not act like its in the same photography range as the R5. Color science is subjective and it's so fucking annoying hearing people talk about it for any company. If you're a professional you are shooting in Raw and the "color science" is just gonna get you closer to a good starting point. Like I saw your video about how much canon is better than sony (for you) and I would say to that great but to say canon at this point has "superior color science" is a myth. The R5 is great but if im truly a hybrid professional shooter im going with sony, I'm not getting kneecapped in dynamic range, the A7 Rv and 9iii have insane ibis and the dynamic range in video on the a9iii has been proven to be better than any current sony mirrorless camera out there (CineD has a video and article on it). I did canon before unless they get their shit together I would NEVER go back and there is a reason why a lot of people are leaving the canon ecosystem but they clearly aren't hurting business wise because they are a recognizable camera brand, they're fucking Coca Cola lol.
The sensor literally cannot shoot clog2 even when you shoot raw it’s not true clog2 you can interpret as clog2 in a nle , if you researched into the why behind it then you would understand that clog2 on the r5 would be beyond noisy as the r5 sensor simply doesn’t have the dynamic range to support clog2 just look at cined and their results / findings with the r5c (same sensor). As far as wanting 4k raw from the r5 canon probably omitted that simply because raw in its self is normally a 1:1 sensor read out other varying degrees of raw resolutions can be achieved by windowing in or cropping into the sensor example my r5c can do 6k raw (apsc) and 3k raw (S16) those are basically crops. As someone who switched from Sony to canon so coming from the a1,fx6,fx3 and a7iv I will say Sony sensors have more dynamic range as far as video goes because they have inbuilt noise reduction that can’t be turned off unless it’s on the higher end FX line. But ultimately it seems like your issue is with clog2 being missing without understanding why it is.
Canon, in a press release, stated C Log 2 is only designed for their cinema line cameras. We will have to agree to disagree here. Sony has a plethora of different sensors, 24.2MP, 33MP, 12MP, 61MP, 50MP…..they all do S Log 3 😂
@@mariodevon_if you know it’s only for the higher end cinema cameras why the expectation? In a mirrorless body ? ust curious ? And of course Sony has slog3 across multiple cameras they literally have no choice as that’s the only other 10bit log profile
@juliushobgood because every other company, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, even Nikon….installs their flattest log curve into their mirrorless cameras. But maybe my expectations are too high haha
@@mariodevon_outside of Sony and Panasonic which only recently starting including the full vlog log profile Vs giving Vlog L those other companies don’t have a cinema line they don’t want to cannibalize , fragmentation is even happening with Sony as well log profiles aside. so I get it from a business perspective on canons part and I can understand your frustration as I have no favorite company, I’m just a technical guy so it’s all love I just couldn’t health but start a healthy debate into digging deeper into why you wanted clog2 , much love keep shooting and creating!
Many videographers/cinematographers prefer cameras with high dynamic range. Red even had a high end cinema camera that didn't even shoot 4k, but had 16 stops of dynamic range. So I get why the clog is a major issue for him. I love Canon, but even the r5c does well with highlights but poor with shadows because as you said, dynamic range not where it should be. If dynamic range is a deal breaker for you, then most likely, one will go with Sony. I wish I could've got that R5 at $2500, tho.
My final decision on a sports photography camera is between these 2. Indoor/outdoor sports. What would you decide? I'll be getting a 70 200 lens. Please help
Sports photography? Canon for sure cause it has the speed. For sports photography speed with Sony, you’re spending as high as $5000-$6000 for the body. The Canon R5 1 will give you 20fps in photos. Sony A7IV maxes out at 10fps.
I just had a shoot mixing Sony FX6, FX3, and BMPCC6K….it took me 10 seconds to make them match. That color science argument gotta go. There’s not a single camera company that has bad colors anymore
your comment is relevant to sony a7m3, but sony a7m4 has just excellent color science and wb, for me it was the first camera where I often use video and photos without coloring
So since Canon R5 mark ii is released. Would you choose Sony A7rV over Canon R5 ii?
Love this question! I’m doing another episode of this topic. Canon R5 II may be the most perfect camera ever made. With C Log 2 and its photo capabilities, it combines the highlights of the Sony FX3 with the original Canon R5. Gonna review it before the year is out!
Great comparison video do you mind doing a video on your Sony a7iv photo/video settings
I’ll make a note to do a settings video!
Helpful and informative! Thank you so much Mario! God bless and good luck!
Very good content. I’m basically a photographer that needs to venture into videography. I’ve own cameras and lenses for both systems, and I’ve photographed with the R5 and a7iv but don’t own either camera. With these holiday sales it is a tough choice in which to choose. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for watching! Both are really good cameras overall! If video becomes a priority, that’s when I recommend anyone to try Sony and even the new LUMIX cameras. But for photography, it’s actually hard to find a bad camera! Good luck!
What did you end up going with ?
Sony A7 iv
Had the same issues, went from R5/C70 to FX6/A7IV haha
Haha bro! I thought my R5 was a baby C70. The C70 definitely showed me they purposely omitted features from their mirrorless line 😭
Facts on facts.
The legend himself! 🙌🙌
I've been looking at this cam to pair with my blackmagic. I 👀 a lot of reviews complaining about the sensor failing. Now I'm wondering if I should go with an r5
Both are good cameras! I have never heard of the sensor failing in though
The other biggest gripe with the R5... Recording limits. I shoot ambiant soundscapes and moving into mobile podcasts and interviews. LET ME OVERHEAT MY CAMERA!... It doesn't overheat in 1080 30 or 4k 30! In my use cases...
Haha I will tell you bro, only way I could shoot podcasts with my R5 and R6 was to record using the Atomos Ninja V to avoid overheating and the record limit. Just too many workarounds needed
I went from a 6D Mark ii to Sony. And the A7IV dynamic range is magical in comparison
Solid choice! I think you would have liked the Canon R6 too. Used it for 2 years
Worth the upgrade? I have that camera as well
the main thing is was so disappointed in with the canon r5 (was a Nikon then Sony shooter that was curious about the r5), you can only shoot 10 bit video if you are in log... which I get because 10 bit really matters with the "most" dynamic range... but being able to shoot some fun stuff with s cinetone, and it being 10bit was a little treat lol that I didn't even know was a treat until I tried canon.
It’s crazy cause even Nikon has caught up to Canon when it comes to 10 bit! Idk what Canon is doing! 😭
hey what presents did you use for the Sony a7iv pictures you took on the tennis court ?
Hey! I actually never use presets. I have been creating Lightroom tutorial videos on here, and I’ll add those photos to the list to make an editing tutorial! I have BTS of the shoot too!
@@mariodevon_ okay thanks
The “you me you” bit needs to be mentioned more in the comments 😂😂 I saw and I appreciated
Love your video bro! I have an R5 and Sony has better DR, full size HDMI 😢and more lens options for sure.
Is C Log 2 a simple firmware upgrade or an internal hardware upgrade?
Canon r5 or Sony A7 iv for video ?
A74 A beast. That’s my main camera
Have you sold your R5 already? I would be interested in purchasing :)
I’m gonna list it on EBay tomorrow actually for $2500
No doubt currently the Sony is superior. However my first pro kinda motor less camera was the R6 and the a7iv was not out.
I just made it work for my workflow, ye there are some huge cons using the R6 however I can get the job done with no real issues
If I were to switch brands I def would go for the Panasonic s5iix due to the video feature and also the lenses selection looking good and also there up coming cameras also looking extremely promising
Sony is a SOLID choice no matter what
Same thing here! From Canon R5 to Sony A7IV since 2 weeks ago!
Right now B&H has the Canon EOS R5 with a 2TB SanDisk portable SSD for for $2,999 and the Sony a7 IV for $2,298.
To me is all about Canon color science vs Sony color science.
I like Canon Color science straight out of the camera, I don’t buy Specs.
I don’t care about specs if I don’t like the color science of the camera.
I’ll never switch, Canon for life!
If I wasn’t deep into color grading and wanted something straight out of camera, Canon all the way as far as color science!
i dont see the 2tb ssd as a package. could you share the link plssssss
THANKS very much
what advice do you give me if i want to chose eosr6 mac ii or sonny alpha 7 iv
They are both very good cameras. So I think you will be happy with either, depending on your needs
THANKS
Should i buy Sony or canon?
Whichever fits your workflow
@@mariodevon_ bro I am confused between A7R IV and a7 IV ...
I just do only photography but otherside A7 IV have new features ..
So suggest me #thanks
Recently Canon opened up the RF mount to third party manufacturers like Sigma and Tamron, BUT ONLY FOR APS-C. There's a reason for that. Almost no professionals are using aps-c these days, they're nearly all using Full Frame. Canon does not want to invest as much money into R&D for dedicated APS-C lenses for the much smaller mass consumer market which demands these lenses be on the cheaper side. So they opened the rf mount up for apsc hoping Sigma, Tamron or whoever will fill that lens gap in the aps-c market for them. Having them fight over the scraps in the low cost lens market. That's really scummy of Canon to do that. Sony is no saint either, look at playstation, but at least for cameras the current E-Mount system and A series cameras are far more consumer and professional friendly.
I own the A7S3 and Canon R5. Because of how good the photography and colors / overall image of the R5 it is my go to. When the R5II comes out the dynamic range will crush.
Oh it’s an INCREDIBLE photo camera. But If they decide to continue to omit C Log 2, dynamic range will remain on par with the first R5. I don’t care how good a censor is, it won’t overcome a log curve with too much contrast
@@mariodevon_ I haven’t had that problem. The only issue I have had is the highlights clipping on the dynamic range but it’s not terrible. If it can get the dynamic range of the R5C I am in
@heynow2880 dope!! It works for your workflow and man to me that’s all that matters 🔥🔥 R5 II and R1 announcements soon!
@@mariodevon_ I am so looking forward to it.
@@heynow2880 wait I know th a7siii is a photo camera but lets not act like its in the same photography range as the R5. Color science is subjective and it's so fucking annoying hearing people talk about it for any company. If you're a professional you are shooting in Raw and the "color science" is just gonna get you closer to a good starting point. Like I saw your video about how much canon is better than sony (for you) and I would say to that great but to say canon at this point has "superior color science" is a myth. The R5 is great but if im truly a hybrid professional shooter im going with sony, I'm not getting kneecapped in dynamic range, the A7 Rv and 9iii have insane ibis and the dynamic range in video on the a9iii has been proven to be better than any current sony mirrorless camera out there (CineD has a video and article on it). I did canon before unless they get their shit together I would NEVER go back and there is a reason why a lot of people are leaving the canon ecosystem but they clearly aren't hurting business wise because they are a recognizable camera brand, they're fucking Coca Cola lol.
used price is only $400 diff...
My pricing is based on me purchasing both cameras upon release. Apologies!
The sensor literally cannot shoot clog2 even when you shoot raw it’s not true clog2 you can interpret as clog2 in a nle , if you researched into the why behind it then you would understand that clog2 on the r5 would be beyond noisy as the r5 sensor simply doesn’t have the dynamic range to support clog2 just look at cined and their results / findings with the r5c (same sensor).
As far as wanting 4k raw from the r5 canon probably omitted that simply because raw in its self is normally a 1:1 sensor read out other varying degrees of raw resolutions can be achieved by windowing in or cropping into the sensor example my r5c can do 6k raw (apsc) and 3k raw (S16) those are basically crops.
As someone who switched from Sony to canon so coming from the a1,fx6,fx3 and a7iv I will say Sony sensors have more dynamic range as far as video goes because they have inbuilt noise reduction that can’t be turned off unless it’s on the higher end FX line.
But ultimately it seems like your issue is with clog2 being missing without understanding why it is.
Canon, in a press release, stated C Log 2 is only designed for their cinema line cameras. We will have to agree to disagree here. Sony has a plethora of different sensors, 24.2MP, 33MP, 12MP, 61MP, 50MP…..they all do S Log 3 😂
@@mariodevon_if you know it’s only for the higher end cinema cameras why the expectation? In a mirrorless body ? ust curious ?
And of course Sony has slog3 across multiple cameras they literally have no choice as that’s the only other 10bit log profile
@juliushobgood because every other company, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, even Nikon….installs their flattest log curve into their mirrorless cameras. But maybe my expectations are too high haha
@@mariodevon_outside of Sony and Panasonic which only recently starting including the full vlog log profile Vs giving Vlog L those other companies don’t have a cinema line they don’t want to cannibalize , fragmentation is even happening with Sony as well log profiles aside. so I get it from a business perspective on canons part and I can understand your frustration as I have no favorite company, I’m just a technical guy so it’s all love I just couldn’t health but start a healthy debate into digging deeper into why you wanted clog2 , much love keep shooting and creating!
Many videographers/cinematographers prefer cameras with high dynamic range. Red even had a high end cinema camera that didn't even shoot 4k, but had 16 stops of dynamic range. So I get why the clog is a major issue for him. I love Canon, but even the r5c does well with highlights but poor with shadows because as you said, dynamic range not where it should be. If dynamic range is a deal breaker for you, then most likely, one will go with Sony. I wish I could've got that R5 at $2500, tho.
My final decision on a sports photography camera is between these 2. Indoor/outdoor sports. What would you decide? I'll be getting a 70 200 lens.
Please help
Sports photography? Canon for sure cause it has the speed. For sports photography speed with Sony, you’re spending as high as $5000-$6000 for the body. The Canon R5 1 will give you 20fps in photos. Sony A7IV maxes out at 10fps.
R5 Mark2 is coming..
And it still won’t have C Log 2 🤣
@@mariodevon_ It does
u be back like i did sony colors suck
I just had a shoot mixing Sony FX6, FX3, and BMPCC6K….it took me 10 seconds to make them match. That color science argument gotta go. There’s not a single camera company that has bad colors anymore
your comment is relevant to sony a7m3, but sony a7m4 has just excellent color science and wb, for me it was the first camera where I often use video and photos without coloring