I’m a driver and had to travel for many hours ….. this discussion was amazing and I appreciate Dr. Azhar speaking. Shahzad you’re the best .. keep up the good work
I will never forget Shahram Azhar singing in the Urdu translation of the immortal _L' Internationale_ anthem after the restoration of Democracy. *_Ye Azm ka tarana hai_*
Such a great episode, what an absolute joy listening to Shahram, and Shahzad bhai, you're a gem, needless to say! Aap heeron mein tolne laaiq kaam kar rahe hain. Lots of love from Islamabad!
This video has everything I look for in a youtube video. This is the first time this has happened. I could listen them forever. And it's so random bcz before today, I didn't know about the these people and neither the channel. Just stumbled upon it out of nowhere. And the irony is that I am pretty much a communist or left critic (A lay one) I have to say, this video did add value to my life.
Shahzad you are gem.these 90 episodes are worth like reading 90 books,To day i watched the episode till the very end. Keep up the good work,God bless you. Shahram azhar widened the thoughts by his examples.Thanks.
BTW shehzad, kudos for the hosting today. There were times where he explained the basics, which sometimes seem mundane to you and you try to jump ahead, but you didn't today. Beautiful hosting.
2:16 Good reply, but this is where Marx's Theory of Alienation comes in when the ruling class, has all the wealth AND all the labor, the laborer, the proletariat, the class who makes money through not ownership, but solely through selling their labor is alienated from society altogether. The incentive a Capitalist to pay wages has has come to an end, the Capitalists have the all wealth, created by Capital by itself. This is when we enjoy the things human about ourselves, under Socialism, this is when we have abolished work and can enjoy the things human about ourselves, whatever we desire as the pressure of work no longer exists since work itself has been abolished, as Marx puts it; _---while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, _*_to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic_*_ .”_
Finally got an intelligent discourse from Pakistan.. I think you should invite more celebarity from Pakistan.. So that more people coude understand the discourse
Try to understand Marxism,from Marx himself. The interpreters,especially in west, particularly affluent,may be deliberately distracting. Their own understanding of Marxism is not only poor,but maligned too. It's a strategy,and they are just stooges.
01:46:23 just came to know recently, Sitara group in Faisalabad has shut down most of its industries and invested in housing societies, only because of hurdles in industrial work and custom duties. When other industrialists also start doing this, this will cause even more downfall in the economy
Shahzad ap ka podcast bauht acha hota hai pr ek cheez bauht prominent lgti hai ki ap Identity politics ko bauht emphasize krty hain.ap shayd usi lense se sb issues ko deikhty hain.regards
سر حسین شہید سہروردی پاکستان کا پہلا وزیر اعظم تھا جن کو عزیز ہم وطنوں نے کرپشن پر نکالا تھا اور بعد میں پتا چلا کہ ان کے پاس اپنا ذاتی گھر بھی نہیں تھا بلکہ وہ ایک کرائے کے گھر میں رہتا تھا۔
I am curious the money that pak armmyy coerces which pockets does it go to exactly. Are there few or many benefactors would love to hear shahrams or the hosts opinion on it
wow what amazing podcast. finally an episode where you tried to challenge the ideas. agree with 95 percent of what shahram said. though i am a right wing capitalist but tried to understand his ideas. specially agree with his view that corruption is not the biggest problem. corruption comes from earnings. you cant just stop income to stop corruption, you cant distribute poverty haha. very well explained. challenging our core beliefs. Saturday night well spent . thanks for the interesting questions too. P.S. coal is already not profitable its not environment india is switching to renewable but solar in india is way cheaper than coal. gov buys electricity from adani solar for 3.10rs inr i.e. 6.50 pakistani rupee. also it will bring millions green job
The problem with worker cooperatives is that they operate under a Market economy. You eliminate the boss because he's the big baddy but the worker becomes his own boss, exploiting his own labor to maximize profits, the element of competition exists, while your business is democratically managed by 10 of your co-workers, the other worker cooperative down the street can put you out of business. Aside from this obvious Capitalist contradiction, you haven't abolished private property, your worker cooperative is OWNED by 10 co-workers, while the idea is society collectively owning the means of production and investing for long-term gain, while the market economy will always incentivize short term gain and profit. The idea behind Leninist thought was, which I'm very disappointed about your view on since you have done lectures on Lenin's legacy on the Muqadimmah channel to make a WORKERS' State, which puts the workers' needs first and foremost. Lenin saw the state as an institution of oppression, but its institutions were constructed very smartly, to keep the Proletariat suppressed no matter what, the emphasis on overthrowing the state and building a new one is to utilize those tools against the very people who created it, it's the most efficient way to gain power. The withering away of the State is a key element of Leninism. _The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property_
मुझे लगता है कि शहज़ाद और शहरान की बंगाल का भारत में स्टेटस शायद थोड़ा नीचा है । In India Bengal certainly enjoys a very high status. Of all the Nobel Prize winners most have Bengal connection. Rabindra Nath Tagore, CV Raman ( Calcutta University), Ramakrishna ( again Calcutta), Mother Teressa. Similarly Fims: Satyajit Ray, Bimal Roy, Guru Dutt ( again Calcutta connection), Mrinal Sen, etc
You need to get that guy Ziyad Faisal Ismaili. Idk much about who or what that guy is/does, or is he even a guy who is famous/infamous enough to come talk, but his twitter is amazin
Im kinda a supportive of the ideology but the case what he say about south korea and war crimes and after that you saw that the person who have a very big role in making of south korea economy and you saw that his daughter is in jail for what reasons( can any body know). I dont think he have point there.
1:11:18 punjabi was written in shahmukhi (arabo-persian) script before partition too and before gurmukhi, though the point about phonetics is right to some extent as gurmukhi was developed specifically for punjabi
I have read and learnt from Marxism in Pakistan which always starts from a division of labor into manual and mental labor. They don't say that a TH-camr is not a laborer. In fact, if someone owns TH-cam (or any corporations) then he is capitalist and if someone doesn't own it, he is a laborer. I didn't get his point. It is important to know the difference bewteen liberal marxism and original marxism.
1. If the argument is that people understand their own interests and PMLN and PPP are popular because the people understand they have their interests at heart, then TLP must also be popular for the same reason. 2. If leftists want to support the most democratic party at the moment, they should support JI... since it's the only mainstream party that actually has democratic selection of leadership is isn't just a cult of personality.
Great podcast. Just want to add one thing. If we further peel that mask off. The face reveal after the third mask would be the Bhraminical Mindset which dominated this land for 5000 years, so even blaming colonialism is not sufficient. Sheher de loog te zaalim seege, saanu zayada maran da shauk si. Our dirt baggage is 5000 years old gora phir bhi 200 saal baad sharm kha kar chala gaya tha.
Absolutely! I am glad you said this. There is a lot of fascination with the pre-colonial among many sections of Pakistani/Indian intelligentsia as a result of which the colonial encounter becomes the only bogey that needs to be critiqued and deconstructed. The varna/jati system predates colonialism and is surely one of the most vicious and inhumane systems of social stratification ever invented by human beings. The colonial encounter is a much more complex phenomenon and I think it would be presumptive to reduce it just divide and rule. Arundhati Roy has spoken and written about some of the complexities lithub.com/what-is-the-morally-appropriate-language-in-which-to-think-and-write/ Take a look at what she says about Dr. Ambedkar and the English language.
@@mushtaqbilal2543 Yes, It's important for us to point out our own ills which were way older than any colonial power (not that they were angels). But it's time for us to actually revisit the past events see how we treated our people. Jai Bhim
@@ZAIN9858 Totally agree although I would be very careful to use words like "our" and "theirs" because it installs an analytic binary that is reductive and simplistic and it hides the discursive construction that goes into such a phenomenon.
Agree with all the criticism on PTI's governance failures and misogynist tendencies, and the need to dethrone the establishment. But sir-even if we disregard corruption-how does one support PPP/PML(n) to restore democracy and lead the nation given that they incite violence against Ahmadis, are misogynist in equal measure, support murderers like Rao Anwaar and collude with the establishment when in power. Aik leftist ka zameer kaisay deta hai iss ki ijazat?
At around 1:24 when you guys are discussing HnM and all that for Bangladeshi textiles, you have to keep in mind that these companies stay in Bangladesh because of the very low minimum wage that BD govt has kept for years. Most garment workers in Bangladesh are women and live in extreme poverty with starvation. Whereas the CEO of HnM and other brands are multi millionaires or billionaires. Isn't that sad?
@@ThePakistanExperience Yes he does mention Rana Plaza and other exploitations. But I was pointing more to his argument on why companies choose Bangladesh, and one reason is the low minimum wage. Of course there are other factors that he mentioned such as less regulations, quick shipments etc. Sorry I am very anti HnM type companies tou I make sure to write about their exploitations whenever I can. I know there was a lot to discuss otherwise the guest would have delved into the details of global capitalist exploitation.
@@ajum89 I think the point that is being made here is a comparative one within a capitalist framework. Of course, Prof. Azhar does not argue in favor of capitalism or exploitation of Bangladeshi factory workers. His point is why Bangladesh has been able to increase its textile exports and Pakistan hasn't been. Despite the fact that these workers are paid very less wages, the important fact to consider is that Bangladeshi women have joined the labor force but the same thing has not happened in Pakistan.
@@mushtaqbilal2543 I get the argument on the industry setup which Pakistan lacks. But as for the Bangladeshi women, did they have a choice to join or leave the labor force, especially when it is paying them poverty wages? I know I am digressing from the main point. I just am of the opinion that companies like HnM and lot choose Bangladesh for reduced production cost, which are largely due to poverty wages (even when compared to other poor countries). Of course there are other factors and I agree with Prof that the ease of doing business exists in BD unlike Pakistan.
@@ajum89 I can't comment on if and what kind of choice Bangladeshi women had in choosing employment but women getting paid for their work is qualitatively different from unpaid house work. If you are interested in academic literature on female garment workers in Bangladesh, you can take a look at this scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&q=female+garment+workers+in+bangladesh&oq=female+garment+
@@mushtaqbilal2543 Thanks for the references. I have worked in some places where women do paid work and the problem of double burden exists for women. If they get good wages working then they could hire extra help at home to ease the burden. I am aware that paid and unpaid work is qualitatively different. But this point you brought up that women still work in the factories in BD is a whole research project in itself, probably very unique to BD textile and garment factories.
Has any one of you ever lived in a Marxist regime? Clearly not, hence the romanticism. I grew up in Communist Bengal. You have to live through that horror to understand how actually a communist regime works.
Shahzad what about you. do you every inspired by any of your guest because every guest of yours is convincing in it's own way did you every feel confuse about your ideology after all this 90 episodes?
Don't agree with you argument that Bhutto was sindhi and was easily persecuted but the fact is Bhutto was much more popular than nawaz ever gonna be even in punjab so your this logic is very wrong
تو اپ لوگوں کے لیے نا جو ادھر ٹی وی پہ بیٹھ کے جنرلسٹ لوگوں کو ٹیچ کرتے ہیں اپ لوگوں کی وجہ سے ہیں نا مانو نا یار مانو نا پلیز اپ کو اللہ تعالی نے تھوڑا سا دے دیا ہے تو مانو یار پلیز
what kind of logic is this Pindi metro is highly subsidized and if a person travels on it eventually he/she is paying the subsidy indirectly. on Lahore metro government pays 40 per ticket on subsidy. Another example of corruption is the IPP projects by PPP and PMLN thought they might have employed few engineers and Labour(according to your logic) but on a big scale it lead to high electricity cost. and now we have electricity that no one can afford because of high cost. perfect example of corruption. I don't know what kind of delusional thoughts you guys are endorsing.
Shahram ne jo 1857 ke baad angrezon ki divide and rule policy aur martial races ke concept ka origin bataya usse hum class 8 aur fir class 10 mein padhte hain. It was after 1857 that cantonment were created. One point tht he missed was the fact that before 1857 it was company Raj and after that it was British raj.
Uzair younas is right to call it the Marxist experience.😂😂 But i don't think thats your fault specifically. Marxism is very much in vouge among the intellectuals in universities not only in Pakistan, but around the world, so it's difficult finding people willing to present the other narrative. Bring back some of the centrists and moderate left leaning types you've had previously, to balance it out a bit.
Tum logon ki itni intellectual conversations se itna hi samgh ata ha k Imran khan is a wrong person and pmln and ppp are ridiculous parties in ki ghalat baton ko builkul discuss nahi kerty the interviewer is launched by someone to potry IK as negative person
سر آج ایک ٹکہ دو روپوں کے برابر ہے اور ایک امریکی ڈالر 80 ٹکوں کے برابر ہے اور جی ڈی پی 8.2% کی شرح سے ترقی کر رہی تھی کرونا سے قبل جبکہ ہماری گروتھ 1.5 تھی۔ اگر غدار، ملک دشمن اور را ایجنٹ شیخ مجیب نے اپنا دیش الگ نہ کیا ہوتا تو آج انکا بھی وہیں حشر ہوتا جو ہمارا ہے۔
For God’s sake Shehzad this type of conversation happens on TV and we run away to get an alternative view on podcasts. Even with stark differences I listen to you. You need to grow out of this needless BS 10-20 questions manufactured by TV. You wasted this podcast, it could have been so so much better like the one you had with Tariq Ali shb. An utter waste of time.
I’m a driver and had to travel for many hours ….. this discussion was amazing and I appreciate Dr. Azhar speaking. Shahzad you’re the best .. keep up the good work
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My the most favorite teacher. Much respect for him. Dr Shahram is just love.
Shahram is an institution of knowledge and intellect. I am hugely inspired by him and hope to see him again soon. Pls make him a regular guest
I will never forget Shahram Azhar singing in the Urdu translation of the immortal _L' Internationale_ anthem after the restoration of Democracy. *_Ye Azm ka tarana hai_*
What a man. Brilliant, i can now forgive LUMS for everything now. What a gem they produced.
Both of you boys are looking great MashaAllah! Just the way you are kiddos. Your thoughts and minds are your greatest asset. And you have great minds!
Such a great episode, what an absolute joy listening to Shahram, and Shahzad bhai, you're a gem, needless to say!
Aap heeron mein tolne laaiq kaam kar rahe hain.
Lots of love from Islamabad!
I pray to all the gods there are for your continual success!
Always loved to listen him.❤️
Can you invite Dr Akbar Zaidi or Qaiser Bengali?
This video has everything I look for in a youtube video. This is the first time this has happened.
I could listen them forever.
And it's so random bcz before today, I didn't know about the these people and neither the channel. Just stumbled upon it out of nowhere.
And the irony is that I am pretty much a communist or left critic (A lay one)
I have to say, this video did add value to my life.
Shahram be like "ab aap isse dhyan se suno .. aapko maza aane wala" .. Yess indeed!
Shahzad you are gem.these 90 episodes are worth like reading 90 books,To day i watched the episode till the very end.
Keep up the good work,God bless you.
Shahram azhar widened the thoughts by his examples.Thanks.
Love from India
BTW shehzad, kudos for the hosting today. There were times where he explained the basics, which sometimes seem mundane to you and you try to jump ahead, but you didn't today. Beautiful hosting.
Admire that Dr. Azhar is speaking in Urdu mostly.
MashaAllah Alhamdulillah InshaAllah🙏
The point about Marxism being implemented keeping in view of the changing times, makes real sense!
Dr. Azhar can you please tell who wrote that punjabi shair that you said before talking about jalib and faiz. Thank you!
2:16 Good reply, but this is where Marx's Theory of Alienation comes in when the ruling class, has all the wealth AND all the labor, the laborer, the proletariat, the class who makes money through not ownership, but solely through selling their labor is alienated from society altogether. The incentive a Capitalist to pay wages has has come to an end, the Capitalists have the all wealth, created by Capital by itself. This is when we enjoy the things human about ourselves, under Socialism, this is when we have abolished work and can enjoy the things human about ourselves, whatever we desire as the pressure of work no longer exists since work itself has been abolished, as Marx puts it;
_---while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, _*_to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic_*_ .”_
Yes, exactly 🎉
Again a very good conversation! 🤘🤘🤘
Please let me know which political party in Pakistan are not coming in power without establishment?
Everything you’re saying is well said. What is that practical in Pakistan?
Both of you are such beautiful human beings, blown away 🙏
Finally got an intelligent discourse from Pakistan.. I think you should invite more celebarity from Pakistan.. So that more people coude understand the discourse
In fact,there should be debates,dialogues between many,a single individual maybe biased,may represent wrongly, deliberately.
This was so intriguing! Really made me understand Marxism better.
Try to understand Marxism,from Marx himself.
The interpreters,especially in west, particularly affluent,may be deliberately distracting.
Their own understanding of Marxism is not only poor,but maligned too.
It's a strategy,and they are just stooges.
This is the best podcast you have ever done
01:46:23 just came to know recently, Sitara group in Faisalabad has shut down most of its industries and invested in housing societies, only because of hurdles in industrial work and custom duties. When other industrialists also start doing this, this will cause even more downfall in the economy
One of your best episodes Shehzad. Great empathetic guest.
Please brake down chapter more
2:09 This is the point where that worker co-operative starts lobbying the government.
Shehzad is so jealous. Same here shehzad same here. So talented, so good looking, great voice. Sara capital to inke paas he.
Shahzad ap ka podcast bauht acha hota hai pr ek cheez bauht prominent lgti hai ki ap Identity politics ko bauht emphasize krty hain.ap shayd usi lense se sb issues ko deikhty hain.regards
سر حسین شہید سہروردی پاکستان کا پہلا وزیر اعظم تھا جن کو عزیز ہم وطنوں نے کرپشن پر نکالا تھا اور بعد میں پتا چلا کہ ان کے پاس اپنا ذاتی گھر بھی نہیں تھا بلکہ وہ ایک کرائے کے گھر میں رہتا تھا۔
I am curious the money that pak armmyy coerces which pockets does it go to exactly. Are there few or many benefactors would love to hear shahrams or the hosts opinion on it
Dr shahram great analyst
wow what amazing podcast. finally an episode where you tried to challenge the ideas. agree with 95 percent of what shahram said. though i am a right wing capitalist but tried to understand his ideas. specially agree with his view that corruption is not the biggest problem. corruption comes from earnings. you cant just stop income to stop corruption, you cant distribute poverty haha. very well explained. challenging our core beliefs. Saturday night well spent . thanks for the interesting questions too. P.S. coal is already not profitable its not environment india is switching to renewable but solar in india is way cheaper than coal. gov buys electricity from adani solar for 3.10rs inr i.e. 6.50 pakistani rupee. also it will bring millions green job
Capitalism incentivizes corruption
@@aunthegeek5788 socialism equally distributes poverty and hunger
Socialism is a failed ideology.
02:55:46 haye, rula dia yar. Touched heart
The problem with worker cooperatives is that they operate under a Market economy. You eliminate the boss because he's the big baddy but the worker becomes his own boss, exploiting his own labor to maximize profits, the element of competition exists, while your business is democratically managed by 10 of your co-workers, the other worker cooperative down the street can put you out of business. Aside from this obvious Capitalist contradiction, you haven't abolished private property, your worker cooperative is OWNED by 10 co-workers, while the idea is society collectively owning the means of production and investing for long-term gain, while the market economy will always incentivize short term gain and profit. The idea behind Leninist thought was, which I'm very disappointed about your view on since you have done lectures on Lenin's legacy on the Muqadimmah channel to make a WORKERS' State, which puts the workers' needs first and foremost. Lenin saw the state as an institution of oppression, but its institutions were constructed very smartly, to keep the Proletariat suppressed no matter what, the emphasis on overthrowing the state and building a new one is to utilize those tools against the very people who created it, it's the most efficient way to gain power. The withering away of the State is a key element of Leninism.
_The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property_
How is private property and wealth amassed ?
What's wrong in distribution of wealth amongst all the living ?
How will it happen ?
Is that John Alia’s pic on top left behind the guest?
Love from Gujerkhan Pakistan
Would love to write an email to Dr. Sahab, Aspiring Legum Doctor [In Shaa Allah]
Please invite hassan nishar on ur podcast.i m from India and a great admirer of him.
2n3 parts ready
how can you say these parties have become mature when there leaders call first lady as peerni and females as tractor trolley.
मुझे लगता है कि शहज़ाद और शहरान की बंगाल का भारत में स्टेटस शायद थोड़ा नीचा है । In India Bengal certainly enjoys a very high status. Of all the Nobel Prize winners most have Bengal connection.
Rabindra Nath Tagore, CV Raman ( Calcutta University), Ramakrishna ( again Calcutta), Mother Teressa. Similarly Fims: Satyajit Ray, Bimal Roy, Guru Dutt ( again Calcutta connection), Mrinal Sen, etc
Love from india
You need to get that guy Ziyad Faisal Ismaili. Idk much about who or what that guy is/does, or is he even a guy who is famous/infamous enough to come talk, but his twitter is amazin
Im kinda a supportive of the ideology but the case what he say about south korea and war crimes and after that you saw that the person who have a very big role in making of south korea economy and you saw that his daughter is in jail for what reasons( can any body know). I dont think he have point there.
Interesting podcast. Very informative
Hey Shazad, did you just got confused between left and socialism? or i am wrong? I mean not every leftist is socialist?
1:11:18 punjabi was written in shahmukhi (arabo-persian) script before partition too and before gurmukhi, though the point about phonetics is right to some extent as gurmukhi was developed specifically for punjabi
Ayyaz Mallick is also best one .
I have read and learnt from Marxism in Pakistan which always starts from a division of labor into manual and mental labor. They don't say that a TH-camr is not a laborer. In fact, if someone owns TH-cam (or any corporations) then he is capitalist and if someone doesn't own it, he is a laborer. I didn't get his point. It is important to know the difference bewteen liberal marxism and original marxism.
1. If the argument is that people understand their own interests and PMLN and PPP are popular because the people understand they have their interests at heart, then TLP must also be popular for the same reason.
2. If leftists want to support the most democratic party at the moment, they should support JI... since it's the only mainstream party that actually has democratic selection of leadership is isn't just a cult of personality.
Well done friends. Keep it up. Warm regards.
Awesome ❤ podcast 👍
Hey shehzad can you please invite najam sethi on your prodcast?
Great podcast.
2:17:10 'Her' movie has shown that this isn't possible either
Nice one, please do one with Jawad Ahmed as well
1:07:33 I’m dead 🤣🤣
If you can joke why can’t anyone else
sheikh rasheed aint the railway minister ;-;
invite mazhar abbas on your show please.
Great podcast. Just want to add one thing. If we further peel that mask off. The face reveal after the third mask would be the Bhraminical Mindset which dominated this land for 5000 years, so even blaming colonialism is not sufficient. Sheher de loog te zaalim seege, saanu zayada maran da shauk si. Our dirt baggage is 5000 years old gora phir bhi 200 saal baad sharm kha kar chala gaya tha.
Absolutely! I am glad you said this. There is a lot of fascination with the pre-colonial among many sections of Pakistani/Indian intelligentsia as a result of which the colonial encounter becomes the only bogey that needs to be critiqued and deconstructed. The varna/jati system predates colonialism and is surely one of the most vicious and inhumane systems of social stratification ever invented by human beings. The colonial encounter is a much more complex phenomenon and I think it would be presumptive to reduce it just divide and rule. Arundhati Roy has spoken and written about some of the complexities lithub.com/what-is-the-morally-appropriate-language-in-which-to-think-and-write/
Take a look at what she says about Dr. Ambedkar and the English language.
@@mushtaqbilal2543 Yes, It's important for us to point out our own ills which were way older than any colonial power (not that they were angels). But it's time for us to actually revisit the past events see how we treated our people. Jai Bhim
@@ThePakistanExperience It was one of the best episodes. Hope to see another one with Sanjay sir and Varun Grover.
@@ZAIN9858 Totally agree although I would be very careful to use words like "our" and "theirs" because it installs an analytic binary that is reductive and simplistic and it hides the discursive construction that goes into such a phenomenon.
Agree with all the criticism on PTI's governance failures and misogynist tendencies, and the need to dethrone the establishment.
But sir-even if we disregard corruption-how does one support PPP/PML(n) to restore democracy and lead the nation given that they incite violence against Ahmadis, are misogynist in equal measure, support murderers like Rao Anwaar and collude with the establishment when in power. Aik leftist ka zameer kaisay deta hai iss ki ijazat?
13:40 Nehru once pointed out that communists have their own metaphysics much like religion.
th-cam.com/video/zlTfXWFQYGQ/w-d-xo.html
Why are all the intellectual against the businessmen
@@ThePakistanExperience ok ho gya
@@ThePakistanExperience but why though! Can they explain?
At around 1:24 when you guys are discussing HnM and all that for Bangladeshi textiles, you have to keep in mind that these companies stay in Bangladesh because of the very low minimum wage that BD govt has kept for years. Most garment workers in Bangladesh are women and live in extreme poverty with starvation. Whereas the CEO of HnM and other brands are multi millionaires or billionaires. Isn't that sad?
@@ThePakistanExperience Yes he does mention Rana Plaza and other exploitations. But I was pointing more to his argument on why companies choose Bangladesh, and one reason is the low minimum wage. Of course there are other factors that he mentioned such as less regulations, quick shipments etc. Sorry I am very anti HnM type companies tou I make sure to write about their exploitations whenever I can. I know there was a lot to discuss otherwise the guest would have delved into the details of global capitalist exploitation.
@@ajum89 I think the point that is being made here is a comparative one within a capitalist framework. Of course, Prof. Azhar does not argue in favor of capitalism or exploitation of Bangladeshi factory workers. His point is why Bangladesh has been able to increase its textile exports and Pakistan hasn't been. Despite the fact that these workers are paid very less wages, the important fact to consider is that Bangladeshi women have joined the labor force but the same thing has not happened in Pakistan.
@@mushtaqbilal2543 I get the argument on the industry setup which Pakistan lacks. But as for the Bangladeshi women, did they have a choice to join or leave the labor force, especially when it is paying them poverty wages? I know I am digressing from the main point. I just am of the opinion that companies like HnM and lot choose Bangladesh for reduced production cost, which are largely due to poverty wages (even when compared to other poor countries). Of course there are other factors and I agree with Prof that the ease of doing business exists in BD unlike Pakistan.
@@ajum89 I can't comment on if and what kind of choice Bangladeshi women had in choosing employment but women getting paid for their work is qualitatively different from unpaid house work. If you are interested in academic literature on female garment workers in Bangladesh, you can take a look at this scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&q=female+garment+workers+in+bangladesh&oq=female+garment+
@@mushtaqbilal2543 Thanks for the references. I have worked in some places where women do paid work and the problem of double burden exists for women. If they get good wages working then they could hire extra help at home to ease the burden. I am aware that paid and unpaid work is qualitatively different. But this point you brought up that women still work in the factories in BD is a whole research project in itself, probably very unique to BD textile and garment factories.
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Has any one of you ever lived in a Marxist regime? Clearly not, hence the romanticism. I grew up in Communist Bengal. You have to live through that horror to understand how actually a communist regime works.
Bhai INDIA b aao kabi
@@ThePakistanExperience aap ko india dikhane ka kaam mera
Shahzad what about you. do you every inspired by any of your guest because every guest of yours is convincing in it's own way did you every feel confuse about your ideology after all this 90 episodes?
@@ThePakistanExperience yes it is.
Jo likha tha uska abhi bhi important hona humara failure hai.
Pakistan ch panjabi nu enna burra kyo samjia janda
Don't agree with you argument that Bhutto was sindhi and was easily persecuted but the fact is Bhutto was much more popular than nawaz ever gonna be even in punjab so your this logic is very wrong
correction --> peeli taxi benezir bhutto ko sheikh rasheed nay nahi, nawaz sharif ny bola tha 😅 😄
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تو اپ لوگوں کے لیے نا جو ادھر ٹی وی پہ بیٹھ کے جنرلسٹ لوگوں کو ٹیچ کرتے ہیں اپ لوگوں کی وجہ سے ہیں نا مانو نا یار مانو نا پلیز اپ کو اللہ تعالی نے تھوڑا سا دے دیا ہے تو مانو یار پلیز
After the disrespectful interview of sahil adheem, he has started to look like a pg. Total nonsense content with a weird constipatd smile on the face
Still you are watching him ❤❤😂😂😂Haha
what kind of logic is this Pindi metro is highly subsidized and if a person travels on it eventually he/she is paying the subsidy indirectly. on Lahore metro government pays 40 per ticket on subsidy. Another example of corruption is the IPP projects by PPP and PMLN thought they might have employed few engineers and Labour(according to your logic) but on a big scale it lead to high electricity cost. and now we have electricity that no one can afford because of high cost. perfect example of corruption. I don't know what kind of delusional thoughts you guys are endorsing.
Shahram ne jo 1857 ke baad angrezon ki divide and rule policy aur martial races ke concept ka origin bataya usse hum class 8 aur fir class 10 mein padhte hain. It was after 1857 that cantonment were created. One point tht he missed was the fact that before 1857 it was company Raj and after that it was British raj.
Why do u keep calling yourself old man? You're just in your 30's. It's a little demotivating and negative. 30's is YOUNG
Btw the only marxist i liked so far is Shahram.
I think aftab iqbal itself punjabi but pretend like he is father of urdu language and know everything about this world.
Uzair younas is right to call it the Marxist experience.😂😂 But i don't think thats your fault specifically. Marxism is very much in vouge among the intellectuals in universities not only in Pakistan, but around the world, so it's difficult finding people willing to present the other narrative. Bring back some of the centrists and moderate left leaning types you've had previously, to balance it out a bit.
@@ThePakistanExperience i ike this Uzair guy. For his ideas of course.
He seems to be suffering from the serious deficiency of iodine.
Please call Arooj Aurangzeb!
Also Sadia toor please. She has written a very nice book about the history of left in Pakistan!
Tum logon ki itni intellectual conversations se itna hi samgh ata ha k Imran khan is a wrong person and pmln and ppp are ridiculous parties in ki ghalat baton ko builkul discuss nahi kerty the interviewer is launched by someone to potry IK as negative person
Flawed logic, pretending to be intellectuals, while ignoring the blatant truths
And the truths are??
My question to all the marxists is that "how are you gonna generate money?"
3:59 Marxism ka Ghamdi
Kiya tum 1990s Mai HAJRA KHAN the yaa tumari........?
Rang ma bhag dal rahy tum joo her bat pr bakwas kr rahyy ... Asay hi imran khan na glat cheez prr apni marzi ka decision liya ..
I m big fan plzz invite Devdutt pattnaik from india he is a well known Mythologist like Joseph campbell
سر آج ایک ٹکہ دو روپوں کے برابر ہے اور ایک امریکی ڈالر 80 ٹکوں کے برابر ہے اور جی ڈی پی 8.2% کی شرح سے ترقی کر رہی تھی کرونا سے قبل جبکہ ہماری گروتھ 1.5 تھی۔ اگر غدار، ملک دشمن اور را ایجنٹ شیخ مجیب نے اپنا دیش الگ نہ کیا ہوتا تو آج انکا بھی وہیں حشر ہوتا جو ہمارا ہے۔
Platooos......
Dur Fitty Mooo...
Far better than Taimur rehman
Dude, I like shahram but honestly, Nobody can match the intellectual Depth and sense of reality Taimur Rahman has.
For God’s sake Shehzad this type of conversation happens on TV and we run away to get an alternative view on podcasts. Even with stark differences I listen to you. You need to grow out of this needless BS 10-20 questions manufactured by TV. You wasted this podcast, it could have been so so much better like the one you had with Tariq Ali shb. An utter waste of time.
Kaunsi TV par ye conversation horahi hay bhai?
@@ShehzadGhias I watched the first hour and couldn't take it anymore, wohi bilawal, wohi maryam, same wohi BS.
@@MK-yg7zf discussed with nuance, as opposed to the hero-villian narrative you find on TV. Don't think they are discussed after the first hour though.
Shehzad, you're a fantastic interviewer. Thank you for this conversation