Towards Peoples’ Histories in Pakistan - Kamran Asdar Ali -
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- Eminent scholar of the Left in Pakistan, Kamran Asdar Ali comes back on The Pakistan Experience to discuss his new book on the Peoples Histories of Pakistan, on this deep dive podcast we discuss the Left in Pakistan, Two Nation Theory, Muslim Nationalism, Hindutva, Historical Revisionism, Communist Party of India, Hasan Nasir, Rawalpindi Conspiracy Case, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and more.
Kamran Asdar Ali is professor of anthropology, Middle East Studies and Asian Studies at the University of Texas, Austin. He is the author of Communism in Pakistan: Politics and Class Activism 1947-1972 (IB Tauris, 2015) and Planning the Family in Egypt: New Bodies, New Selves (UT Press, 2002). He is the co-editor of Gendering Urban Space in the Middle East, South Asia and Africa (Palgrave 2008) and Comparing Cities: Middle East and South Asia, both with Martina Rieker, with whom he also coordinates the Shehr Network on Comparative Urban Landscapes. He has published several articles on issues of health and gender in Egypt and on Pakistani politics and popular culture. He previously taught at the University of Rochester (1995-2001) and was a member of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton (1998-99). His more recent work has been on ethnic, class and gender issues in Pakistan.
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Chapters
0:00 Introduction
1:30 People’s Histories of Pakistan
11:30 Two nation theory, Muslim Nationalism and Historical Revisionism
18:46 Myth making and Multiple Nationalisms
25:53 People telling their own Story and Essays in the Anthology
43:00 Communist Party of Pakistan and Communist Party of India, Unions and Resistance
52:00 Pakistan-Russia Relations
54:56 Industrialist and Establishment Nexus
1:07:20 The Left and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
1:12:00 Rawalpindi Conspiracy Case and Shrinking Space for the Left
1:24:30 Hasan Nasir
1:33:45 Audience Questions - บันเทิง
every time I listen to pakistani experts talk about India , it's history and story, it's always a big disappointment. This is a continuous thing which has never changed. These guys really need to read a lot more books on India across spectra of ideologies
I have come to realize the same thing.
But let me ask you a question: Do you think the blame also lies on this side of the border?-- In that, India-- the government and the society writ large-- have pushed a very Leftist history which erases much of Hindu loss that has gone on for the past 1000 years but also erases much of Hindu Golden Age, and Hindu pride? Paxtanis will be recommended the reading from the preponderance of what Indians have for reading, no? And aside from a fledgling Hindu scene, there isn't that much that is not Islamist apologia and Leftist. And we can blame everyone for it but at the end of the day, we should take responsibility for our own story and how it gets told.
@@himanv ofc the onus lies on us for the same .....and it is being done albeit not with the quantity or quality needed, but it doesn't take away from the fact that we do have even if small , a portion of such documentations / books available. And an expert is meant to have it from all perspectives. Pakistanis on the other hand mostly produce half baked experts especially specifically pertaining to India. I was just calling that out , so that 'maybe' next time we could have some actual Indian experts on.
Hi, can you please recommend such books?
@@alikazmi1422 Sure
1. An advance history of India - RC MAJUMDAR
2. A wonder that was India - AL BASHAM
3. Land of seven rivers - SANJEEV SANYAL
4. The incredible history of India's geography - SANJEEV SANYAL
5. The lost river - MICHAEL DANINO
6. The problem of Aryan origins - KD SETHNA
7. How deep are the roots of Indian civilisation - BB LAL
Apart from like RC MAJUMDAR , JADUNATH SARKAR you should definitely read books by RANAJIT GUHA, UPINDER SINGH , SANJEEV SANYAL ( these guys are mostly unbiased )
@@alikazmi1422please read book from RC Majumdar and sitaram Goel. It might be very challenging for you.
But you and your forefathers are from sub continent.
Yoga Sutras were written by Patanjali in Pakistan. World's biggest university was in Pakistan, Takshshila.
Chanakya was a teacher there who trained Chadragupta who conquered and unified India again and defeated Alexander.
Indian & Pakistani Muslims talk about golden period of Islam but never talk about their forefathers.
Mohanjodago and Harrapa city build 3000+ yrs. But rudimentary ideology has taken them 1400yrs back.
Shehzad sir please correct the part 20:23 - As per the indian constitution india does not have a national language , not even hindi. It is just a official language like tamil , bangla , malayalam .
😂Kyo Bata Rahe Ho.😂Unko Apni Zindagi Jeene Do.😂
It is a recorded fact that India wanted to make Hindi a national language and faced pushback
@@Abdullah-uv9nk Early Morning Started With Reading Absolutely Wrong Comment.
@@Abdullah-uv9nk In Our CBSE Books, We Teach North India Focused History. I Have Never Seen Backlash In Any State. A Tamilnadu Guy Don't Even Relate Himself To Akbar, Babar.
People In India Are Not Interested In Imposing Language Or Culture. Rather, We Prefer To Adopt Other's Culture.
There Are Some Powers Whose Politics Is Based On Social Division. Communists, Congress And Those Who Believe Their Ancestors Were Arabs..
@@Abdullah-uv9nk There were all sorts of ideas that were floated in the constituent assembly but the fact doesn't change that finally the constitution doesn't recognise Hindi as the National language, which is what the Historian claimed. That mistake was pointed out. Not sure what was the purpose of your comment.
15:00 Correction: While India was not a nation state few thousand years back, entire subcontinent was part of what is now termed a Indic Civilisation. Rigveda and Manusmriti already talked about it a few thousand years back.
And before you accuse me of anything: I am an atheist, living in Europe and not a Modi bhakt 😂😂😂( though I still think Congress is a bunch of jokers). Sorry for hitting the tangent😂
Only Sindhi Punjabi and Kashmiri are people of indus and true heirs of that civilization. Not entire sub continent you can check out the map of Indus civilization almost entire present day Pakistan and few bordering areas of india with pakistan are present and in old times this region used to refer as sindh , all the words Indus, India, Indos and Hind were derived from word Sindh. The arabs then gave the concept of Sindh and Hind. Our ancestor might be hindu or buddhist but we all are not alike. Our ethnicities have major differences.
@@muhammadmohsin1376zorastraians (Persians) called this land hind
@@muhammadmohsin1376also when u r a "M"
.their is no ethnicity and culture for u
@@muhammadmohsin1376 do you really think those people never expand to all over South Asia after the collapse of indus civilization. That's not the logical point that only Punjabis kashmiri and Sindhis are the heir of indus valley civilization. How can you say that, all of South Asian looks almost same share same dna whether it's Hindu or Muslim or Sikh or any other religion.
@@muhammadmohsin1376 Read about origin of word Bharat.
I am a regular viewer of this podcast and one thing I don't understand about Pakistan's experts and Historians is the reason they are in a lookout for denial of existence of India or Hindustan or Bharat as a nation or a consolidated region known as a whole throughout almost the known documented History. A) Do they actually believe it since they are not really well read and well versed in History. B) Do they feel like acknowledging the fact would somehow lessen their own country's importance..? C) They know about it well enough but want to keep the fake narrative going of how "two nations were formed after independence" theory ? Anybody with basic knowledge of History and some legitimate googling skills would point out 1000s of sources siting India/Bharat of being recognised as a single entity unique to itself. It goes way before Chandragupta Maurya or other kings, not even getting into the mythological aspects, just read the documented history "Experts" 😅
Because, They're From Left. And Their Core Believe Is Social Division And Class Division.
This guy, Kamran Ali, is a Prof in Univ of Texas, Austin, a premier institute and teaches students. I am baffled by his knowledge about the history of India. He is so wrong in so many instances. He has assimilated wrong knowledge and is disseminating to his students, who will do the same. Wow!!
Its both A , B and only the second part of C. . of the first comment but only . They neither have studied anything meaningful nor want to study cause they feel xenophobic lest they are termed as infidel. .
As for second comment please note that the western work of social science is not free from biases, vested interests and racism. There research is mostly private and dependent on pre determined out come.
Clearly you didn't hear the podcast, he agrees that India as a Civilization always existed, but not the idea of a nation state. None of the Hindu dynasties ever used the term "Bharat" in their official title. In fact the first time it was used, was by the Mughals who called their empire Mughal-Sultanat-e-Hind. After that it was the British Raj in India.
The term Bharat, in most ancient sources, refers only to North India. Even in the Mahabharat, the term does not include the Deccan or South India, it does not include lands east of the Bengal region either which are a part of India now.
@@lanoklom9697 the geography of india the land of spirituality is engrained in the history through the scriptures. there are dhams or holy sites in many areas of india and even pakistan and tibet. all this land is and will be bharat
This guy shehzad use to tweet left right and center for palestinians {ARABS} but not a single tweet on Dr Mahrang Baloch , not a single solo video for balochis the way he use to make for palestinians {ARABS} , this shows his character 👍
He has become a coward
Closet Islamist hai
he is muslim apologist
In the whole world gardens/parks were being planted everywhere at many places and such gardens/parks were never seen before and i also made a garden at the place where Isa a.s will descend so that Isa a.s will not face any problem when he comes. #MuhammadQasimDreams #MuhammadQasimImamMahdi
Maybe he is a bit cautious..
while talking about the invaders...Ali saab said- ladaiya to pahle bhi hoti thi ...but mere pov se culture ,language same rhte the...battles bs power ke liye hota tha...at that time no were trying to impose their ideology ...but after invansion these things happend...and each and everyone can see this now from naked eyes
Jara somnath, martand, nalanda, taxila, ke hisab aur ideology mango kutto se
14:00 Diana eck's India-a sacred geography should be compulsory for all the so-called indo-pak historians who espouse the Idea that there was no concept of Bharat before Mughal or British....
Tum Log Itna Bokhla Kyo Jaate Ho? Bolne Do Un Logo Ko.👍 They're From Left.👍 Vo Apni History Choose And Pick Kr Ke Manufacture Krte Hai. Ignore.
Try to invite Indian historians to understand Indian history next time
It would be enlightening for you and Pakistanis as well
He doesn't have the guts to do it. At most he will invite a leftist historian who will talk smack about Modi and RSS
Good idea.
If you go down his videos he has actually invited Indians on his podcast however they are over video conference and hence doesn't get the same kind of viewership.
@lanoklom9697 He has only called comedians who thrive on anti-Modi narrative and Kushal Mehra with whom he talked on cricket only.
Kushal Mehra is a RW guy and if Ghias has guts he can interview Mehra on contemporary India. Another guy closest to understanding India is Uzair Younus who actually visited India
@@siddharthatalukdar4227 He actually had Uzair Younis on his podcast twice, actually it was his podcast that popularized Uzair
Mr host& guest Hindi is not our national language. In fact no national language. Only we have official language.keep fact correctly
This idea of India never having existed (until the British came) is a classic colonial trope. While it may be true that India did not achieve political or administrative unity (nation state) until much later; but the idea of India (bharat as a nation connected through pilgrimage routes) has existed since much before the common era. One would do well to read India: a sacred geography by diana eck (white American harvard indologist- as we so love validation by a gora foreigner) to understand the history of India that is bharat. These facile and banal statements ( that hind or Indian identity did not exist before mughals or British) reflect rather poorly on an otherwise learned man.
All in all a regular listener and big fan of the show. Great work shehzad.
POD cast achor be like :
🗣️ Please take this Episode as a comedy Show 😂 .
I was waiting whether he'd address the division of states in India on linguistically but the he pooped "Hindi was imposed as National language" nope not national language and linguistics is not only a strong cultural root in South India but also in Maha Guj Northeast & Punjab. Expected better in this area from him being an anthropologist from Pak
Indian communist historians can tell the history of pakistan with the version of history known in pakistan or even more on the side of pakistan but you will never get a pakistani historian telling the true history of india ,they are too radical for that no matter whether they claim to be left ,right or centre. The y are so out of touch of reality that they believed that military leaders are good for their nation until they arrested their favourite leader imran Khan. If your armed forces is above the supreme court of your country and can also declare martial law whenever they feel like ,then how difficult is to understand for a normal adult that your country is in the hands of army .
It’s an accepted fact that INC wanted Hindi as national language but faced massive pushback. Then they just kept it as official language along with English with the hope that one day it will be the sole official language
@@Abdullah-uv9nkINC wanted that but people didn't so hindi is still not the national language and it will never be because we know how to bring unity and not fuck half of our country.
@@Abdullah-uv9nk "tu Bala kichhi Jani nu au Khali bak bak kariachhu " aeta kau language kahilu, ab ye konsa language hai bata
@@daksh6388That is my point. There have been attempts to enforce it from the beginning.
Hindi is not the national language in India.
It is under constitution
@@kushsingh9088 it is not as per constitution, Hindi and English are official languages.
@@purnendu149 article 343
@@kushsingh9088Article 343 of the Constitution of India stated that the official language of the Union is Hindi in Devanagari script, with official use of English to continue for 15 years from 1947. Later, a constitutional amendment, The Official Languages Act, 1963, allowed for the continuation of English alongside Hindi in the Indian government indefinitely until legislation decides to change it.
Then The Eighth Schedule of the Indian Constitution lists 22 languages,[17] which have been referred to as scheduled languages and given recognition, status and official encouragement. In addition, the Government of India has awarded the distinction of classical language to Kannada, Malayalam, Odia, Sanskrit, Tamil and Telugu. This status is given to languages that have a rich heritage and independent nature.
@@rohand04 thats what i am saying hindi and English is the official language of india, so far no constitutional amendment has been brought to remove hindi as an official language, national and official language are synonyms to me because this language is used all over india and most of us understand it even having such diversity but i am not advocating hindi to be imposed in other part of india
Most of the Pakistani experts don't have clear knowledge about India history and current situation.
As far as Hindus of Indian subcontinent are concerned, the Leftist and the Paxtani/Islami scholarship treats us the same way. This "scholar" is an example of this statement.
This Bihari muhajir who lives and works outside Pakistan is such an apologist for the two nation theory which he saw exploding in front of his eyes in 1971. He also explains away Zia's regime and what it brought on itself.
Shahzad bhai. Love from India. Have been following and loving your podcasts since last 2 years and I absolutely love it and its a delight to watch you and your guests.
Your all the podcasts are cool and worthy of appreciation. But unfortunately its always a disappointment to see Pakistani historians you invite with the "We Know it All" attitude about India without knowing a teensy bit at all.
Even the Pervez Hoodbhoy podcast was something I had genuinely not expected.
You need to invite people like Abhijeet Chavsa for this. They'll be more than happy to share the entire historic context "With Documented Facts" rather than "Aisa hua tha ji", "Mujhe kisi ne bataya tha ji" etc kinds of vague talks.
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It’s hard to cover everything in the podcast, you should read their books and if you still find their evidence thin that you have every right to criticise them
abhijit chavda is not historian, he gives opinion without any historical fact,
It's not even funny how little knowledge Pakistani's have about our country! India does not have one national language... We have 22 official languages, Hindi and English are two out of 22...padh likh lo, research karlo before you talk! 🇮🇳
Innko apne regional language mai gali do, pata chalne do kitna diverse hai.
ye log islamic study me phd krte h...bs kue ke mendhak bne rehte h..hmare yha hr dharm..religion ko books me pdaya jata h..
It was an absolute honor to meet Kamran Sb in Houston with Ammar Ali Jan- He’s so down to earth and very encouraging and very interested to listen to others opinions and thoughts too - He was wonderful -
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If this guy is Intellectual class of Pakistan it is quite clear to me why pakistan is in dol drum 🥁. God bless pakistan with more this kind of intellectual, who run propaganda in the name of history. 😂
You mean doldrums? 😅
There is no national language in the Republic of India. But there're 22 official languages : Assamese, Bengali, Boro (Bodo), Dogri, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Kashmiri, Konkani, Maithili, Malayalam, Marathi, Meitei (Manipuri), Nepali, Odia, Punjabi, Sanskrit, Santhali, Sindhi, Tamil, Telugu, Urdu.
Odisha is ruinng our traditional culture and language Sambalpuri. We don't want to be a part of odisha anymore, people of india should know what is happening in odisha. Western odisha is poor, no proper development, people are feeling like being robbed by east odisha govt.other Parts of indian brothers should help us to make a new separate state koshal🚩
Jai hind jai bharat Jai ma samlei 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
This person has no idea of sub nationalism and cultural nationalism
Nhi bhai tujhe hai...tu hai asli ..tere pass jaake logo ko sikhna padega ..
@@DC-si9mu Aa jao sikha denge
@@DC-si9mudude please don't Google these terms like sub/cultural nationalism...and please tell me what they mean to you??
Did you understand what he said???
Your problem is that you guys are not educated!!
@@DC-si9mu Sub Nationalism and cultural nationalism means you can still have a specific linguistic regional identity and fall into the larger pantheon of a Pan Indian identity. The sum is always greater than the parts.
Bharat was one from the times of Mahabharata that's nearly 5000 yrs old. From Kandhar to kashmir to bengal to the sea.
ADI shankaracharya from south India made its spiritual boundaries. He was from Tamil Naidu and took samadhi in kedarnath, uttarakhand in 8th Century AD.
Don't fool yourself on leftist, Marxist and idiotic notions.
In the whole Muslim world there was one ID card and one Currency and Muslims did not need any visa to travel, there were advanced accident proof vehicle and Muslims mostly traveled all the time and enjoyed the Blessing and Mercy of Allah. #MuhammadQasimDreams #MuhammadQasimImamMahdi
Get Vikram Sampat for Indian History.
hindi is not national language in India please correct your knowledge
Finally a podcast I thought tpe have stopped delivering a good podcast but this guy was really knowledgeable 😊
where can we get his book
Agar pakistan ko india ki history padhni to Indian historian ko bulao channel pe tab pata chal jayega
Which indian historian let’s bring yogi ji and phuddi ji 🤣 😂
First hand sources leke khudh hi padh lein, historians ki kya zarurat hai.
@@Abdullah-uv9nk rangila rasul ki history hum jaante hai
Colonial hangover hai uncle ko . 3000 saal nahi more than 8000 years of cultural continuity
You can probably invite William Dalrymple. He has a very wide view on the medieval era in the subcontinent.
The original 'London Plan': Two-Nation Theory?
This Two-Nation Theory came around pretty much late in the game (1945? 1946?). My understanding is no one was buying it. It gained traction after AIML's Aug 1946 'Day of Action' aka '1946 Calcutta Killings' (a day of nationwide communal riots).
Now who instigated this?!!
@@2107SlashJinnah was going for Kolkata conquest through his leader by making muslims do riots and killings of Hindus in Kolkata but his violence was returned with many times more killings of muslims by gopal patha and all the Hindu community members that joined him. Of course Jinnah had to call the British to stop it after his plan failed ,if the plan had succeeded then present day Bangladesh would had Kolkata in its country.
@@2107SlashExactly!!!
I loved the info on Bangladesh and refugee movement, got to know how there can be different opinions on a same history
I am quite a fan of Kamran Asdar Sahib and am eager to read this marvelous book, but unfortunately is not presently available in Pakistan. It is humbly requested that if possible a Pakistan edition may be got printed.
When he said , Hindi is India’s national language, I gave up on him . He knows nothing about India or history for that matter.
If india/Bharat didn’t exist before Mughals and British then who wrote Mahabharata? This guy is total nut job
Why do Pakistani historians so ill read about Indian history. India as a geographical and civilizational entity since 800bc in the puranas over and over again. The Mahabharata clrearly states what is bharathas
As a student of Sanskrit please tell me exactly which Puranas have you read? And have you read the Mahabharata in original (not amar chitra katha) if yes which edition?
Because it doesn't suit them to be factually correct
I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion once again. While I may not entirely agree with your guest's analysis, I appreciate his perspective. What stands out for me is your thought-provoking questioning style. At times, it seems your guest might not fully grasp the depth of your inquiries. Thanks for yet another intriguing conversation.
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There is very little Kamran sahab doesn’t fully grasp, he’s an excellent academic, he probably wanted to bring the discussion back to the book and keep it more focused
@ThePakistanExperience I suggest inviting sanjeev Sanyal or vikram sampath for actual indian history podcast. Abhijit chavda is biased right wing so won't suggest. But please get these people to know real history
amazing interview, Kamran saab is a wealth of information. please do more interviews with him
by the way, just a passing comment, india does not have a national language, we have official languages as english and hindi, and at the same level have the state language as offial language. whoever introduced this, it was a masterstroke
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@14:25 This is how Nehru describes India: “India is an ancient palimpsest on which layer upon layer of thought and reverie had been inscribed, and yet no succeeding layer had completely hidden or erased what had been written previously.”
This means the people of the subcontinent have a long and continuous history that has contribution of all the people who have come here over time. We don’t disregard the past like the speaker is expecting the world to. We acknowledge all of it.
Future is jet black for our Pakistan.
15:00 And he has lost me....
He doesn't care....
Exactly, my point. He thinks MAHABHARAT was some sort of comics series by marvel. I pity the fool.
A note from an Indian fan: I have always liked this podcast. Still do. However,I don't agree with the guests' superficial understanding of India but it is more of a philosophical disagreement about interpreting history. He is more inline with the Marxist historians like Romila Thapar and has a very narrow understanding of Indian civilization. I wish Pakistani academia would actually read the academic works done in ancient India to get first hand knowledge of what is written in them and what is discussed in them.
Please stop labelling everything written in Sanskrit in ancient India in terms of Hindu religion. Just because it was written in Sanskrit it didn't make it a religious book. Reading upanishads, dharmshastras ,puranas, sutras chanakya, historical accounts of saints like adi shankaracharya etc. is needed.
Read the works your own civilization produced in mathematics, art, architecture, astronomy ,epistemology, ontology, and other aspects of philosophy.
And if you need a clear definition about a collective entity of Bharatvarsh (India) it can be clearly found in Vishnu Purana 2.3.1
Finally, Hindi is not an official language in India. We have 22 recognised languages in our constitution. The guest didn't knew this, this shows his knowledge about India is second hand and rudimentary.
Shehzad bhai, studio background ka kuch Karen, Islamabad mein it was amazing
Ghareeb aadmi hoon I can’t buy a studio like that
My dear friend when you said "Rishta" with Soviet Union in your opining you need to define the Rishta "Relationship". You have Rishta with your parents, brothers, sisters, servants, friends etc. The every Ristha that country has with another country is transactional which defines the Rishta which is servant or friend or a big brother etc. In that sense ever Rishta pakistan has is big brother with America and now with China.
Correction: In place of "Balochi hu nachy ga," it should be "Baloch hu nachy ga."
Kamran Asdar is Awesome! Privileged to get to pick his brain at UT Austin ❤
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He didn't mention that the establishment deliberately crafted and solidified the Muslim identity primarily to diminish the regional identities they perceived as a potential threat to the unity of the country. This whole premise was absurd and illogical but what else could be expected from the Punjab dominated military establishment that has given the people of the other three provinces nothing but pain and gloom. Despite their unremitting propaganda regional identities are still strong in Sindh and western provinces. The Punjabis are the only people who embraced this state narrative mainly because they view the entire state as an extension of Punjab.
Indian nationalist history 😂? Kuchh bhi 😂😂. 3000 saal pehle Islam bhi nahi tha. Ramsetu is a man-made structure that is confirmed by NASA and the stones used to build it are at least 7000 years old. These people don't want to acknowledge that their ancestors were Sanatani's 😂😂. This is the level of brain washing. Archaeologists have found a seal in Mohanjodado and that is called a "Pashupati seal" meaning a seal of Lord Shiva what other evidence these idiots need.
Where do you get your "gyan" from? Stop spreading sanghi goo mutra.
Plz do a programme with Afrasiab khattak and Mahmood Achakzai
All the pakistan historians have same pedestrian level knowledge of India. Some echo chamber pak is.
Shahzad bhai pls make a video on whole iran-pak issue.
I don’t know enough
Israel Palestine par sab pata hota Hai 😂😂
Hahaha sahi bola bro
Isko israel k barey mai sb pta hai
Pr padosi iran k sath relationship k barey mai kuch nahi pta…….
Dogla
@@surajmehta6852 The Iran thing just happened today, and historically Pak-Iran have had good relations hence once has to investigate before making a video.
Israel-Palestine goes back 75 years and there is lots of information on it that can easily be gathered.
During this Lohri, I read about the legendary dulla bhatti! Such stories need to be told.
Talk to Jay Singh rathore. He is young youtuber historian. Devoid of drama which almost all Pakistani guests do
THIS PODCAST AND THE ENTIRE NATION IS SHOUTING
IDENTITY CRISIS
IDENTITY CRISIS
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Lol, Now Indians are pissed at shehzad k us ny dosri side ka perspective kiun bata dia. Piari hindu bhai, History is also subjective. There is no black and white in history. It's just research. Different people can reach to different conclusions. Ab tumary andar pakistan kliaf nafrat hy to hum kia karen,
Converted 😂
*🕉️ 🚩 🇮🇳 INDIA 🇮🇳 🚩 🕉️*
Shehzad bhai lots of people in India listen to your podcasts so please use Hindi also in your thumbnail "दी पाकिस्तान एक्सपीरियंस".
Thanks, and lots of love and blessings ❤️
Thumbnail designer will need to learn how to write Hindi 🙈
How about Pakistan Anubhav?
No need to learn...just google it 😊@@ThePakistanExperience
Views nahi aae toh thumbnail mai india ko use karlo 😂😂😂😂
I am a big fan of Pakistani experience but recently these podcasts are becoming inaccurate when you talk about India (for example, hindi as the national language, the concept of india. It has been there well before King Ashoka the great, also Pakistan never got independence. They separated from India and was born as a new country). These ideas are coming straight from your textbooks which are nothing but figment of imagination. You guys need to re-learn. I see the same issues with Palestine-Israel conflict. This is such a disappointment.
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Your guest is ignorant about India....
He says " Hindi was imposed as National Language in India"..
He doesn't know that Hindi is not national language of India..it is a state language.. just like Tamil, Telugu, Marathi etc..
In India we don't have a national language. Hindi is one of the official languages
What soothing voice ❤❤
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Who made him professor
Also kamran saab ki urdu kamaal
Invite J sai deepak!
Nations R Made Not civilization
A Good conversation 👍
20:30 Hindi was imposed as national language??? 😮 impose is a strong word! Reminds Urdu and Religion!!
Would like to hear more from you instead of several disagreement this far but after this statement couldn’t go further, sorry. Deep inside uncle ji already justified and validated himself of being case of Stockholm Syndrome. Nothing new nothing unexpected from a so called renowned Pakistani scholar .
Tamils love hindi isn't it ?
This ‘historian’ had no comment on what kind of person Md Bin Qasim was or Raja Dahir was.. but sure as hell wants to comment on contemporary Indian politics..
Hello from neighborhood.
for your knowledge sir there is no official national language in India..
Hindi isn't our National Language. Who is this expert? Anybody reading some books call themselves leftist, communists now a days. To be a communist or leftist you have to live through the experience. Do you have any hardcore party like CP(I)M in your country which ruled some states for years? If not your knowledge is just bookish.
Brother invite mahira khan and talk about film industry.
Hindi could NEVER be imposed in India as a "National" language. It is still not accepted by many states in India.
No one willing to impose the same
Just political drama by both central and local political parties
No one will .. its a slave language or a darbari language along with Urdu.. we have amazing language to be proud of..
@@YourFuhrer1933 reluctantly.. it's is something that they had to learn because the Hindi belt were to dumb or stubborn to learn their local languages.. like Maharashtra and Gujarat
and even Hindi Right now is a umbrella language that has made different local languages of Rajasthan to Bihar as dialects of Hindi
@@YourFuhrer1933 why? Why are you proud of a slave language.. hindi is as Indian as English..
Its essentially farsee in Indic tone
tell me you are tamil right?@@rohand04
Point blank questions all the time..🙂
Isko koi batao ki Hindi India ki national language nahi hai
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Welcome to Pakistan
dear shehzad plz do a podcast on the era of late 50s and 60s, when pakistan was so liberal for example at that time news paper ads were showing women smoking cigretts and promoting tobaco brands, alcohal was common and openly availble at shops, night club and bar culture where international dancers were performing. and then how this culture took 180 degrees in late 70s.
Zia did that... it was discussed a lot on previous podcasts.
Socha tha yeh banda educated phr yaad padha toh hai pakistan mein hi 😅😅😅😅
podcast dekhne me to time lagega but pehle hi like kar deta 🤧👍I know it's gonna be good.
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Shehzadji, a course correction is needed.
1) change the name of the program as " Pakistan and India Experience"
2) Over vdo interview bring Indian experts ( balanced type not bjp walas) in the Podcast/ show.
This is needed in view of the fact 70% of the viewership of this program is from India.
25:30 The same can be said about the past 1000 year history of Bharat, that the winner wrote history, don't you think so...????
The disintegrity of Pakistan should be a lesson to be learned.
We are really happy partition happened. Please take remaining Indian Muslims also with you, we shall pay all your national debt 🙏
Not All Yar. Kuch Log Jo Samjhdar Hai. Vo Chahiye.👍
Madarsa Or Molvi Pr Ban Lga Do. Baki Sab Bhi Theek Ho Jayenge.👍
But, I Am More Concerned About Rise In Hardcore Nationalism And Sanatani, Who Believe In Dominance. Not Dharma.
@@AryaArsh bro you can shift with good people. They will appreciate your company
@@rajneeshsharma9049 No I Will Not Shift. I Will Protect My Country From Extremists.👍
Maybe, I Will Have To Sacrifice My Life. But, I Will Not Let My Religion Become Like Eslam.👍
Pakistan really needs an India expert who is able to look at India as objectively as possible.
So many errors here:
1. India has no national language. The Union Government did try to impose Hindi but backtracked after backlash from Southern States (TN & AP), so at the central government level, there are two official languages but NO national language.
2. Hindu scriptures definitely talk about a sacred geography that spans the subcontinent. Politically, India wasn't one nation state before 1947 except at the time of Ashoka & Aurangzeb but culturally there was always a notion of one people, one culture, one consciousness. Hence, the current idea of cultural nationalism is finding purchase. Hinduism binds the country together not necessarily as a religion but as a culture. There's definitely cultural continuity in India, even with different Gods (budhs lol), festivals, languages etc. Hinduism and it's culture cuts across all this fabric.
Request Shehzad, as lovely and nice a person he is, to read up more instead of just having guests with a confirmation bias.
If shubash Chandra bose the father of india then no pakistan
Love your talks and your sense of humour is amazing ❤❤❤ love from ind form 1 kafir 😂😂😂no hard feelings peace 🕊️🕊️🕊️❤out
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Bring Anwar Maqsood on podcast
The God that failed.
Left k leaders unite q nh ho rhe
Invite Abhijit chavda ji in your podcast 😊
Another day firrr se wahi road side experts
Sad for hasan nasir😢
Well very poor knowledge of guest about linguistical history of India and impositions. Morover guest doesn't have idea of concept behind subnationalism and civilizational state. 🤷🤷 I am sorry Shehzad this was quite misleading info from guest from perspective of Indian subcontinent. There is common cultural overlap in whole India despite linguistically diverse demographics. It's there for thousands of years. it's not that after Mughal only majority religious community of India united. 😅😅 Your guest have poor understanding of civilizational state. Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism has cultural linkages regardless of languages, geography all across the India. From southern part of India people used to travel to Kashmir and Himalayas for thousands of years for spiritual reasons. Adi Shankracharya is best example who travelled a lot in subcontinent and established his knowledge institutions in 4 different parts of India 1200 years back. Its not that only after introduction of Mughals India got identity as civilizational state. Greek, Arabs thousands of years back were not fool enough to identity that geographical identity without any issue.
This man is sooo confused, it reflects on his talk and thoughts. Spare us please.
Pakistan mai bhi left right hai kya😂
Very shallow knowledge about Dharma...very sad to see intellectual disability of our long lost brothers.
HIND SINDH Hindostan Hindistan Hindustan Pakistan ...same country different names through changing times of history.
and Persia is Iran, Turkey is Turkiye and before that it was Ottoman & Byzantine.
Hejaz & Nejd is now Saudi Arabia....
Names don't matter ...indigenous clans / tribes do.
If your tribe and people are not from Indus Valley Pak then you're not Hindi / Hindustani / Hindu or even Indian...
You're merely a citizen of the Indian Union which has a borrowed identity. The state and region you belong to within the Union is your real identity.
You cannot be the son / daughter of the soil without belonging to it by birth or historical origin.
That's how the world works.
Now you can spin it your way.