@Sultan Mahmood: How many comments have you written so far? How many of them are relevant? Please delete all the irrelevant comments. According to you, Mr. Modi is a mass murderer. How many murders has he committed? Do you know that in April 2012, the Supreme Court-appointed special investigation team (SID) said that it had not found any evidence for prosecuting Mr. Modi? Did you ever describe General Yahya Khan as a mass murderer? How many people did he get murdered in 1971? You have condemned Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, a well-known Islamic scholar. Who are your favorite Islamic scholars? @Shakil Chaudhary Thank you for your reply` I acknowledge your contributions, which you may think in your wisdom based on the 200 hundred yours of colonial secular indoctrinated background which you find yourself, Sadly your wrongly directed trajectory wits have nothing to do with human beings divine natural reality and/or your communities presuppositions of your media's breathless machine targeting and hoping to rectify human society for the sake of betterment, from your secular dim perspective. It is all a delusion in your secularised head. Allah is in full control of everything, ((( EVERYONE IS BEING DIVINELY TESTED))) قرآن؛43;36 جو شخص رحم اللہ کی نصیحت سے دستبردار ہوجاتا ہے ، ہم اس کے پاس ایک شیطان کو جکڑ لیتے ہیں اور وہ اس کا لازمی ساتھی ہوگا: () 36) (اور شیطان انہیں حق کی راہ سے ہٹا دیں گے) پھر بھی وہ اپنے آپ کو صحیح راہنمائی کا تصور کریگا؛) () 37) یہاں تک کہ جب وہ آخری دن ہمارے سامنے حاضر ہوگا ، تو شیطان سے کہے گا ، کاش کہ میرے اور تیرے درمیان مغرب سے مشرق کا فاصلہ تھا! () 38) اوہ کتنا برا دوست ہے لیکن اس دن تمناؤں کا فائدہ نہیں ہوگا ، کیونکہ تم ظالم ہو کیونکہ تم بھی اسی عذاب میں شریک ہو گے۔ () 42) پس جو عقیدہ آپ پر نازل ہوا ہے اس پر قائم رہو۔ کیونکہ تُو صحیح راہ میں ہے۔ () 43) اور یہ تمہارے اور تمہارے لوگوں کے لئے یادگار ہے اور اس کے بعد اس کے مشاہدہ کے بارے میں تمہیں جانچا جائے گا۔ Quran 57;16 Is it not time for those who believe to surrender their hearts to the remembrance of Allah, and to the truth that has come down, and not be like those who were given the Book previously, but time became prolonged for them, so their hearts hardened, and many of them are sinners? اسلامی [تھیوکریسی] شریعت تھیوری کے مخالفین کا صرف ایک مسئلہ ہے: عقیدت مند مسلمان سیاسی طور پر بے اختیار گروہ ہیں۔ عقیدت مندوں کے پاس کوئی اجتماعی طاقت نہیں ہے۔ مساجد اور کچھ دوسرے لوگوں کو چھوڑ کر کوئی بھی سچے مسلمان کی حیثیت سے اسلامی شریعت کے دفاع میں بات نہیں کرتا ہے۔ ایسے مسلمان ہیں جن کے پاس بڑی طاقت کے منصب ہیں ، لیکن اگر وہ اسلامی پاکستان کے آئین اور اسلامی قوانین کے تحت شرعی اقدار کے دفاع کے لئے اسے واضح طور پر استعمال کرتے تو وہ اس طاقت کو فورا. ہی کھو دیتے ہیں
Why, why is this so much fun? There are so many Pakistani references I don't even get completely but still I am as if addicted to this channel. This is my current favourite TH-cam channel. I couldn't find a similar podcast of Indian origin. They are either too satirical, too comical or ideologically blind. So I watch this and draw parallels as issues are more or less same. So along with fun, it's also a learning. Btw I have asked this before also, does anyone know similar type Indian podcasts? Please reply with a comment. But even if there was, I would actually still watch this. Shehzad is such a charming host. ❤️
@@ThePakistanExperience Thanks to you. Since I got direct access to you, through this comment I want to tell you this that your podcast has actually been a learning. Moiz and you were talking about 'social capital being attached to woke culture' in one of your podcasts from before. I actually used that as a point in one my answers the other day. :)
The seen and the unseen is the only one i know that is quite good, other than that even i have not much idea except the famous bland ones, i also got to know about it after he did one on something related to pakistan and bangladesh with srinath raghvan
Halfway through this podcast, I must thank you Shahzad for bringing us three-hour long temporal corners of bliss such as this episode; such tasty conversation from both doctors and, as usual, very incisive questions and comments from you.
You know after listening to these brilliant people, I have decided to study Marxism in depth. There is so much propaganda out there about how bad this whole ideology is but that can't be all true. You are doing a great job, Shehzad. Keep it going and pay no mind to the numbers. Disregard anyone demanding to change your silly background screen (which it is) lol.
Shahram is superb as always .. and Dr taimur is also really good on the subject .. shahram's exert point of view about the current budget made me sad even more... May Allah bless our country with the true patriots having excellent abilities of economics and business growth
I just want to put it out there (although I’ve said it to him privately as well), I really think Shehzad is a very kind, empathetic, and knowledgeable human being. His questions and interventions are always very apt (and witty!). This is why it is always an enjoyable experience talking to him. ❤️
@@ThePakistanExperience I love those 4 5 hours bakchodian sessions that you do. They're genuinely very therapeutic. Desperately waiting for the next one
I listen to these Pakistani stalwarts of the Left and their passion rekindles a fire in me, something I've long tried to supress in the face of capitalist realism (in the words of Max Fisher) which I still believe will sustain the global world order at least for this century.
Is it possible to make notes of these conversation just to compress these nuance discussions into nuanced (but summarised) words which can be sent through mail.?
Shehzad stop using qaum e youth so much that it loses its seriousness. Many disgruntled former pti walas are turning back to sense. Meanwhile great info about budget Shehram 👍
This was an engaging and thought-provoking discussion. I also noted the book references for further research. I'm generally ignorant about economics, but I was triggered by Shahram's repeated reference to "decisions about surplus." My interest lies in philosophy and cultural worldviews, and how these shape a society. Of course power and money play a significant role here, and even more so in an age where intellectual and cultural elites that rise above material influences are destroyed, and where materialistic distractions and temptations are multiplied, and general moral training is absent. I believe that a society requires surplus wealth to develop an intellectual class, and that this is the most important development required for a healthy society. The concept of patronage and waqf was an important feature of premodern cultural education. Shahram’s comment reminded me of the following words from an important official document of the British colonial authority in India. It is part of a report from 1807, and it should alert us about the source of intellectual and cultural decay in our society and its remedy. “It is very proper, that in England, a good share of the produce of the earth should be appropriated to support certain families in affluence, to produce senators, sages, and heroes for the service and defense of the state, or, in other words, that a great part of the rent should go to opulent nobility and gentry, who are to serve their country in Parliament, in the army and navy, in the departments of science and liberal professions. The leisure, independence, and high ideals, which the enjoyment of this rent affords, has enabled them to raise Britain to pinnacles of glory. Long may they enjoy it; - but in India, that haughty spirit, independence, and deep thought, which the possession of great wealth sometimes gives, ought to be suppressed. They are directly averse to our power and interest... We do not want generals, statesmen, and legislators; we want industrious husbandmen.” - William Thackeray (civil servant, judge and translator), in report on Malabar, Canara, and the Ceded Districts (Aug 4, 1807) for the Governor of Madras, Lord William Bentinck (who would later, as Governor-General of India, appoint Macaulay to settle the education debate)
@@ThePakistanExperience The quote is basically saying that extra wealth allows a nation to support cultural and intellectual development by financing certain people who don't have to worry about their income, but will focus on their intellectual activity or some other skill. In relation to India, it is saying that Indians should not have extra wealth and they should always be kept in a state where they are focused on basic needs, so they have no space for development beyond material needs. This will make them useful labouring slaves for the empire.
@@ThePakistanExperience I was actually supporting Shahram's statement. May be you misunderstood me. Shahram pointed out the importance of who makes decisions about surplus, and I'm also showing that the British understood the iportance of surplus on a national scale, and deprived India of those resources. In fact, the cultural and educational support given by the British was to implant a foreigh and superficial culture on Indians, and this produced a schizophrenic mentality.
(May be in bits and pieces) unlike capitalist and free economy which has delivered. Something like changes in modern day philosophy which has moved towards experimental philosophy unlike last few century old philosophy because with the rise of Theoretical Physics which has given Theory of Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, String theory, Theory of Evolution, which has delivered solid results.
@ThePakistanExperience Requesting you to Please Invite Dr Shahram Azhar and Dr Taimur Again for a new line of Podcast Both are brilliant and its wonderful new insights and knowledge ..
One of my favorite quotes about identity politics is from Civil RIghts Veteran, Marixst, Feminist leader Angela Davis: _"I have a hard time accepting diversity as a synonym for justice. Diversity is a corporate strategy. It’s a strategy designed to ensure that the institution functions in the same way that it functioned before, except now that you now have some black faces and brown faces. It’s a difference that doesn’t make a difference"._
@@ThePakistanExperience My gott, don't belittle yourself. Koshish karne waale ko kabhi haar nahi hoti. Kuch try karen. Wo to har channel par hi aa jaate hain khushbu laga ke zara pyaar se bulyen.
@@ThePakistanExperience Bilkul. Koshish hi kar sakta hai insaan. Baki Zizek ki marzi. Actually Zizek aur Chomsky ka lafda bhi chal raha tha. Agar yeh dono ek platform par aa jayen to ww3 in 21st century intellectual discourse ho jaaye. It would be like Batman Vs Superman: Dawn of Ideology.
At last .. Dr. shaheb was giving justification on the basis of historical contexts .. It reminds me of the Mullah's argument that before Islam people were burying their daughter alive .. so don't ask us to give rights to women today bec. historically we were the first to give them rights... etc. etc.
I think that's not what he meant, his analysis(or rather I should say fear) is that western media manipulates in the garb of being independent and unbiased whereas they are privately owned propaganda machines and their HISTORY confirms their mischievous exaggeration of the facts to create political space for their state to exploit the parts of the third world. This has continuously happed and could happen.
@@abhigupta999 see, it's not like that there is only one kind of voice from West .. there are thousands of left leaning academics who express their views openly against their govts in the west. Now, that is absent in China's case. So, even if it's a capitalist propaganda .. they are not crushing other viewpoints in their society. I am willing to live under such western democracy who might be against my interest 'supposedly' then to live under an authoritarian govt who works for my interest 'supposedly'.
Shehzad you didn’t get the point because you had accepted that there is holocaust of muslims in ughar but sir tamiur had good point about over creating of china due to extremist belifs. China has zero tolerance policy for separatists and they belive one china policy( that is nationalism). So two separate things exists socialism and nationalism. China needs freedom of speech and there are more protests for more socialist reforms. So here is take some times you have to unlearn to learn new idea.
Socialist candidate India B. Walton has been elected the Mayor of Buffalo, USA. Does it has anything to do with the Communists? Sir, please explain her political position.🙏🙏
Lol that guy is like, uhyghur issue is all highly exaggerated, can't trust American media....maine nahi dekha china may kya horaha hai....saboot dou fir manunga 😂 Arey bhai....were you there to see hitler do all his crimes? 😂 Jaha new york times mitha lage gup gup....jaha new york times khataa lage thu thu...classic 😂...all white supremacy people say the same about Hitler's media coverage..it's all over exaggerated!
Dr Taimur ko naraz ku kar dia bhaai.. haha.. anyway it was more entertaining and informative than any thing available on Netflix.. Keep up the good work Shahzad!
I enjoyed most of the conversation and agreed with a lot of things but when it comes to the political freedoms of people in China and Soviet Russia their rhetoric was really defensive and unreasonable. The extraordinary amount of propaganda and absolute despotism in modern day China under Xi is completely repulsive and dangerous. Pakistan has more space and political freedoms and China even today. The conversations that you guys had is just not possible in China
Yes. But western propaganda is the most effective form of propaganda. They've made Zelensky a hero, just a year ago, he was corrupt. They've made 80% of Americans believe WMDs were in Iraq in 2003.
As for Uyghurs, the question is of the reliability of evidence. I am no expert, but evidence can take several forms, including media(photos, videos), testimony(interviews), written evidence(letters), etc. As for Kashmir, Palestine etc the evidence is clear, we can see videos of army men attacking innocent civillians, whereas this has not been seen for China. The interview testimonies, although convincing, have been linked to american based NED, which suggests that they are just paid actors(as Taimur said one woman changes her story every time she's interviewed). Now whether or not this extends to all interviewees is up to question. However, the fact that there has been nothing but interview testimonies, makes the case for a serious situation in Xinjiang less likely to be true. With Kashmir and palestine, it is clear what is happening and who is in the wrong (eg. IDF planes bombing apartment buildings, Indian soldiers beating up youths in the middle of the street), but this is not the case for Uyghurs.
Identity politics ka sawal gol kar gaye dr saab. Highly disagree with Dr Taimur's analysis of identity politics, a lot of cherry picking of history, but i do agree with his prescription of engaging in working class politics.
Shahzad I love your discussions and shows…you are unfortunately playing along with anti Chinese war drums here…you came across as somewhat obstinate towards the end…
Haven't watch d the full podcast but dont be so pius Khan said the right thing that is what a man is. God hides our sins doesn't means you guys are angels. We are all equal some are more equal than others thats it. Remember the amount of lust passed through your mind untill now and be humble. Koi pata ni kis k raaz kb Allah duniya k saamny khol k rakh dy
سنا ھے کہ علم نفسیات جو کہ اب مکمل سائنس ھے پیڈوفئل کو زھنی بیماری نہیں مانتے بلکہ اس کو ایک فطری عمل سمجھتے ہیں. ان دانشواران پاکستان کا اس بارے کیا فرمانا ھے؟
Watching this episode was super fun . When I listen to Marxist lecturer in countries where Marxism has not come to power and I see them talking about freedom , empathy , liberation , logic etc , i feel like becoming an Marxist . But when I see countries where Marxist’s have come to power , I see a very different Marxism whose deeds are similar to fascists ! Very informative podcasts 💚!!
It's a completely one sided show. One at least should invite two different ideologies for a constructive debate instead of badmouthing about people or ideologies without even listening them. Only then viewers can decide which one of it was more realistic and reasonable.
I would so love to see similar discussions amongst our Indian Marxist intellectuals too. This kind of content is missing in India I guess. Anyway love this, thank you shehzad for bringing shahram again. Taimur sir ko Toh TH-cam pe dekhte hi rehte hain.
Shahzad: As always good platform. But is not today’s discussion totally academic and full of theory. The issue with Marx or Commies or extreme leftist idea is nothing is applicable to deal with real life situation (may be in bits and poe
Then an argument can also be made that BBC and other western media outlets are corporate-owned so how can they be trusted to deliver truth? Either both of them telling truth or none.
Khair sai kakh samajh nahi aie. Itna pata laga hai k, kuch bhi kar lai, aam banda pisay ga hi. Pta nahi yeh -ism kahan sai atay hain, yeh nizaam kis nain aisa bnaya hai. Par bnaya mera faida uthanay k liay hai , aur muje btaya hai k muje faida pohanchaanay k liay bnaya hai 😑
Oh My God...This is Grand Slam Wednesday!! 3 diggaj Heavy Weights ek saath....Very good Shehzad bhai!! ❤️ From India!!
Heartening to see the photo of Shaheed Bhagat Singh in the background.
Two stalwarts of Pakistani left. Just amazing. Aala podcast. TPE never disappoint.
@Sultan Mahmood: How many comments have you written so far? How many of them are relevant? Please delete all the irrelevant comments.
According to you, Mr. Modi is a mass murderer. How many murders has he committed? Do you know that in April 2012, the Supreme Court-appointed special investigation team (SID) said that it had not found any evidence for prosecuting Mr. Modi?
Did you ever describe General Yahya Khan as a mass murderer? How many people did he get murdered in 1971?
You have condemned Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, a well-known Islamic scholar. Who are your favorite Islamic scholars?
@Shakil Chaudhary Thank you for your reply` I acknowledge your contributions, which you may think in your wisdom based on the 200 hundred yours of colonial secular indoctrinated background which you find yourself, Sadly your wrongly directed trajectory wits have nothing to do with human beings divine natural reality and/or your communities presuppositions of your media's breathless machine targeting and hoping to rectify human society for the sake of betterment, from your secular dim perspective. It is all a delusion in your secularised head. Allah is in full control of everything, ((( EVERYONE IS BEING DIVINELY TESTED)))
قرآن؛43;36 جو شخص رحم اللہ کی نصیحت سے دستبردار ہوجاتا ہے ، ہم اس کے پاس ایک شیطان کو جکڑ لیتے ہیں اور وہ اس کا لازمی ساتھی ہوگا: () 36) (اور شیطان انہیں حق کی راہ سے ہٹا دیں گے) پھر بھی وہ اپنے آپ کو صحیح راہنمائی کا تصور کریگا؛) () 37) یہاں تک کہ جب وہ آخری دن ہمارے سامنے حاضر ہوگا ، تو شیطان سے کہے گا ، کاش کہ میرے اور تیرے درمیان
مغرب سے مشرق کا فاصلہ تھا! () 38) اوہ کتنا برا دوست ہے لیکن اس دن تمناؤں کا فائدہ نہیں ہوگا ، کیونکہ تم ظالم ہو کیونکہ تم بھی اسی عذاب میں شریک ہو گے۔
() 42) پس جو عقیدہ آپ پر نازل ہوا ہے اس پر قائم رہو۔ کیونکہ تُو صحیح راہ میں ہے۔ () 43) اور یہ تمہارے اور تمہارے لوگوں کے لئے یادگار ہے اور اس کے بعد اس کے مشاہدہ کے بارے میں تمہیں جانچا جائے گا۔
Quran 57;16 Is it not time for those who believe to surrender their hearts to the remembrance of Allah, and to the truth that has come down, and not be like those who were given the Book previously, but time became prolonged for them, so their hearts hardened, and many of them are sinners?
اسلامی [تھیوکریسی] شریعت تھیوری کے مخالفین کا صرف ایک مسئلہ ہے:
عقیدت مند مسلمان سیاسی طور پر بے اختیار گروہ ہیں۔ عقیدت مندوں کے
پاس کوئی اجتماعی طاقت نہیں ہے۔ مساجد اور کچھ دوسرے لوگوں کو چھوڑ کر
کوئی بھی سچے مسلمان کی حیثیت سے اسلامی شریعت کے دفاع میں بات نہیں کرتا ہے۔
ایسے مسلمان ہیں جن کے پاس بڑی طاقت کے منصب ہیں ، لیکن اگر وہ اسلامی
پاکستان کے آئین اور اسلامی قوانین کے تحت شرعی اقدار کے دفاع کے لئے
اسے واضح طور پر استعمال کرتے تو وہ اس طاقت کو فورا. ہی کھو دیتے ہیں
Why, why is this so much fun? There are so many Pakistani references I don't even get completely but still I am as if addicted to this channel.
This is my current favourite TH-cam channel.
I couldn't find a similar podcast of Indian origin. They are either too satirical, too comical or ideologically blind. So I watch this and draw parallels as issues are more or less same. So along with fun, it's also a learning.
Btw I have asked this before also, does anyone know similar type Indian podcasts? Please reply with a comment.
But even if there was, I would actually still watch this. Shehzad is such a charming host. ❤️
@@ThePakistanExperience Thanks to you. Since I got direct access to you, through this comment I want to tell you this that your podcast has actually been a learning.
Moiz and you were talking about 'social capital being attached to woke culture' in one of your podcasts from before. I actually used that as a point in one my answers the other day. :)
The seen and unnseen, newslaundry hafta
@@71espn Thanks. I will check it out.
The seen and the unseen is the only one i know that is quite good, other than that even i have not much idea except the famous bland ones, i also got to know about it after he did one on something related to pakistan and bangladesh with srinath raghvan
I love the seen and the unseen, newslaundry ke journalism tau ache hai, podcast be acha hae hau ga, will look in to it
Halfway through this podcast, I must thank you Shahzad for bringing us three-hour long temporal corners of bliss such as this episode; such tasty conversation from both doctors and, as usual, very incisive questions and comments from you.
True that.
Pindi Boi stole the show haha, wholesome and I got so many pointers/ideas for my PhD topic :D. Bring Tariq Ali with them in any future episode.
I think I learnt more in this 3-hour session than I did in class all year!
Thanks a ton, Shehzad! And keep them coming❤
There Idiots in delusion.
You know after listening to these brilliant people, I have decided to study Marxism in depth. There is so much propaganda out there about how bad this whole ideology is but that can't be all true. You are doing a great job, Shehzad. Keep it going and pay no mind to the numbers. Disregard anyone demanding to change your silly background screen (which it is) lol.
Start by being atheist
@@DWAGON1818 Sains ke Bahane. करोड़ो Garib ko kamunijam ने marvaye garib
Shahram is superb as always .. and Dr taimur is also really good on the subject .. shahram's exert point of view about the current budget made me sad even more... May Allah bless our country with the true patriots having excellent abilities of economics and business growth
Thanks 🙏🏽
Excited to listen...was eagerly waiting for this one ☺👍
I just want to put it out there (although I’ve said it to him privately as well), I really think Shehzad is a very kind, empathetic, and knowledgeable human being. His questions and interventions are always very apt (and witty!). This is why it is always an enjoyable experience talking to him. ❤️
Ok unsubsidized 6😮
You have much better understanding of Marxism but we need further discussions.
I watched this in one go, so intellectually stimulating.
Great effort to focus on true imperialism and Pakistani style corporate fascism!
OMG 3 hours!! This is going to be gooood.
@@ThePakistanExperience I love those 4 5 hours bakchodian sessions that you do. They're genuinely very therapeutic. Desperately waiting for the next one
I listen to these Pakistani stalwarts of the Left and their passion rekindles a fire in me, something I've long tried to supress in the face of capitalist realism (in the words of Max Fisher) which I still believe will sustain the global world order at least for this century.
Love these types of podcasts 👍
Michael Parenti one of my favourite Political scientist. Shahzad Bhai please do watch his & read his books.
Blockbuster podcast. Loved it
01:40:40 his sentences sound like the urdu version of Richard Wolff
Yes. Because he is my teacher, my mentor :). I studied with Prof Steve Resnick at UMass-Amherst :)
@@shahramazhar4378 nice, we should do a project together, i always wanted to animate his ideas. How may i reach you?
My cousins are watching netflix, I'm sitting outside listening this.
Is it possible to make notes of these conversation just to compress these nuance discussions into nuanced (but summarised) words which can be sent through mail.?
What a discussion... Enjoyed every minute of it
Aaahhh very excited! was wondering when you would upload this one
@@ThePakistanExperience Best! Me to weekend ka soch k bethi hui the 😄
@@ThePakistanExperience haha, zaroor zaroor, kyun nahe 😍🤩
We need more content On Pakistan's economy.
Shehzad stop using qaum e youth so much that it loses its seriousness. Many disgruntled former pti walas are turning back to sense. Meanwhile great info about budget Shehram 👍
@@ThePakistanExperience point hai boss.
This was an engaging and thought-provoking discussion. I also noted the book references for further research.
I'm generally ignorant about economics, but I was triggered by Shahram's repeated reference to "decisions about surplus." My interest lies in philosophy and cultural worldviews, and how these shape a society. Of course power and money play a significant role here, and even more so in an age where intellectual and cultural elites that rise above material influences are destroyed, and where materialistic distractions and temptations are multiplied, and general moral training is absent. I believe that a society requires surplus wealth to develop an intellectual class, and that this is the most important development required for a healthy society. The concept of patronage and waqf was an important feature of premodern cultural education. Shahram’s comment reminded me of the following words from an important official document of the British colonial authority in India. It is part of a report from 1807, and it should alert us about the source of intellectual and cultural decay in our society and its remedy.
“It is very proper, that in England, a good share of the produce of the earth should be appropriated to support certain families in affluence, to produce senators, sages, and heroes for the service and defense of the state, or, in other words, that a great part of the rent should go to opulent nobility and gentry, who are to serve their country in Parliament, in the army and navy, in the departments of science and liberal professions. The leisure, independence, and high ideals, which the enjoyment of this rent affords, has enabled them to raise Britain to pinnacles of glory. Long may they enjoy it; - but in India, that haughty spirit, independence, and deep thought, which the possession of great wealth sometimes gives, ought to be suppressed. They are directly averse to our power and interest... We do not want generals, statesmen, and legislators; we want industrious husbandmen.”
- William Thackeray (civil servant, judge and translator), in report on Malabar, Canara, and the Ceded Districts (Aug 4, 1807) for the Governor of Madras, Lord William Bentinck (who would later, as Governor-General of India, appoint Macaulay to settle the education debate)
@@ThePakistanExperience The quote is basically saying that extra wealth allows a nation to support cultural and intellectual development by financing certain people who don't have to worry about their income, but will focus on their intellectual activity or some other skill. In relation to India, it is saying that Indians should not have extra wealth and they should always be kept in a state where they are focused on basic needs, so they have no space for development beyond material needs. This will make them useful labouring slaves for the empire.
@@ThePakistanExperience I was actually supporting Shahram's statement. May be you misunderstood me. Shahram pointed out the importance of who makes decisions about surplus, and I'm also showing that the British understood the iportance of surplus on a national scale, and deprived India of those resources. In fact, the cultural and educational support given by the British was to implant a foreigh and superficial culture on Indians, and this produced a schizophrenic mentality.
this is the best podcast in the history of podcasts
Brilliant podcast. Thanks.
What is the way out for us looking forward? That should be the major discussion.
5:00 haha, yar ye teaser bnana chaye tha, bht hi fit rating ban jani thi, apne to direct hi release krdi video
(May be in bits and pieces) unlike capitalist and free economy which has delivered. Something like changes in modern day philosophy which has moved towards experimental philosophy unlike last few century old philosophy because with the rise of Theoretical Physics which has given Theory of Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, String theory, Theory of Evolution, which has delivered solid results.
Its Amazing 💗
Both Comrades are very intellectual.
@ThePakistanExperience Requesting you to Please Invite Dr Shahram Azhar and Dr Taimur Again for a new line of Podcast Both are brilliant and its wonderful new insights and knowledge ..
It's nice to get connected to Pakistani leftists ....if possible, pl post some videos in English also .....Laal salaam from India.....
3 hour's 🤩🤩 going to love it ❤️
@@ThePakistanExperience Thank you but sikhaya kis ne ap ko ye podcasts karna ye nhi bataya 😂😂
@@ThePakistanExperience Okay Thanks let's watch Joe Rogan too 😁
How to take Tariq Ali,Shahram and Dr Taimoor in one podcast🤔🤔🤔
I really enjoyed this podcast ! Wasn’t expecting this
Trying to catch up all podcasts I missed in the past few months….. thnx to share such a polite and respectful disagreement 🧡
शानदार चर्चा.इस मंच को पूरे उपमहाद्वीप की
चर्चा का मंच बनाना चाहिए.
One of coolest one!
yar thanks kay questions ka time description mein day dety ho
One of my favorite quotes about identity politics is from Civil RIghts Veteran, Marixst, Feminist leader Angela Davis:
_"I have a hard time accepting diversity as a synonym for justice. Diversity is a corporate strategy. It’s a strategy designed to ensure that the institution functions in the same way that it functioned before, except now that you now have some black faces and brown faces. It’s a difference that doesn’t make a difference"._
Superb podcast Shehzad bhai love from pune
Thank you for this ❤️
Dr.Taimur is very well read and intelligent but he is also quite ‘belligerent’😳
Shahram and Shehzad come across as the more mature, wise 🙏🏽
teen ghantay mein kisi ko koi pishi naheen ayee?
Exactly Alternative news.
Maalik ab itne Marxists aa gaye hain to Professor Zizek ko bhi bula hi lo (Reference to bandya meme). Zara ideology ko uncover kiya jaaye.
@@ThePakistanExperience My gott, don't belittle yourself. Koshish karne waale ko kabhi haar nahi hoti. Kuch try karen. Wo to har channel par hi aa jaate hain khushbu laga ke zara pyaar se bulyen.
@@ThePakistanExperience Bilkul. Koshish hi kar sakta hai insaan. Baki Zizek ki marzi. Actually Zizek aur Chomsky ka lafda bhi chal raha tha. Agar yeh dono ek platform par aa jayen to ww3 in 21st century intellectual discourse ho jaaye. It would be like Batman Vs Superman: Dawn of Ideology.
At last .. Dr. shaheb was giving justification on the basis of historical contexts .. It reminds me of the Mullah's argument that before Islam people were burying their daughter alive .. so don't ask us to give rights to women today bec. historically we were the first to give them rights... etc. etc.
I think that's not what he meant, his analysis(or rather I should say fear) is that western media manipulates in the garb of being independent and unbiased whereas they are privately owned propaganda machines and their HISTORY confirms their mischievous exaggeration of the facts to create political space for their state to exploit the parts of the third world. This has continuously happed and could happen.
@@abhigupta999 see, it's not like that there is only one kind of voice from West .. there are thousands of left leaning academics who express their views openly against their govts in the west. Now, that is absent in China's case. So, even if it's a capitalist propaganda .. they are not crushing other viewpoints in their society. I am willing to live under such western democracy who might be against my interest 'supposedly' then to live under an authoritarian govt who works for my interest 'supposedly'.
Who is here to listen to this podcast in 2024 ?
Shehzad you didn’t get the point because you had accepted that there is holocaust of muslims in ughar but sir tamiur had good point about over creating of china due to extremist belifs. China has zero tolerance policy for separatists and they belive one china policy( that is nationalism). So two separate things exists socialism and nationalism. China needs freedom of speech and there are more protests for more socialist reforms. So here is take some times you have to unlearn to learn new idea.
For neocolonialism, look up law of unequal exchange
Not a marxist but loved this podcast.
Chalo scene on ha!!! Next 3 hours me big fat Js and you guys. Waaahhhh maza aanay wala ha
@@ThePakistanExperience Sir aap idr kbi tashreef tou layee, sb milay ga
Socialist candidate India B. Walton has been elected the Mayor of Buffalo, USA. Does it has anything to do with the Communists? Sir, please explain her political position.🙏🙏
Lol that guy is like, uhyghur issue is all highly exaggerated, can't trust American media....maine nahi dekha china may kya horaha hai....saboot dou fir manunga 😂
Arey bhai....were you there to see hitler do all his crimes? 😂 Jaha new york times mitha lage gup gup....jaha new york times khataa lage thu thu...classic 😂...all white supremacy people say the same about Hitler's media coverage..it's all over exaggerated!
“Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.” ― Harry S. Truman
Dr Taimur ko naraz ku kar dia bhaai.. haha.. anyway it was more entertaining and informative than any thing available on Netflix.. Keep up the good work Shahzad!
Where did he annoy Dr Taimur?
I enjoyed most of the conversation and agreed with a lot of things but when it comes to the political freedoms of people in China and Soviet Russia their rhetoric was really defensive and unreasonable. The extraordinary amount of propaganda and absolute despotism in modern day China under Xi is completely repulsive and dangerous. Pakistan has more space and political freedoms and China even today. The conversations that you guys had is just not possible in China
There are inexplicable human right violations in these dictatorship
Yes. But western propaganda is the most effective form of propaganda. They've made Zelensky a hero, just a year ago, he was corrupt. They've made 80% of Americans believe WMDs were in Iraq in 2003.
As for Uyghurs, the question is of the reliability of evidence. I am no expert, but evidence can take several forms, including media(photos, videos), testimony(interviews), written evidence(letters), etc. As for Kashmir, Palestine etc the evidence is clear, we can see videos of army men attacking innocent civillians, whereas this has not been seen for China. The interview testimonies, although convincing, have been linked to american based NED, which suggests that they are just paid actors(as Taimur said one woman changes her story every time she's interviewed). Now whether or not this extends to all interviewees is up to question. However, the fact that there has been nothing but interview testimonies, makes the case for a serious situation in Xinjiang less likely to be true. With Kashmir and palestine, it is clear what is happening and who is in the wrong (eg. IDF planes bombing apartment buildings, Indian soldiers beating up youths in the middle of the street), but this is not the case for Uyghurs.
How i missed this episode 🫣
Please its an requst please invite abhijit iyer or sushant sareen on india pakistan future please
Identity politics ka sawal gol kar gaye dr saab. Highly disagree with Dr Taimur's analysis of identity politics, a lot of cherry picking of history, but i do agree with his prescription of engaging in working class politics.
39:34 Excellent Parody 😂😂😂😂
Amazing!!!
I think these guys do not honestly discuss Marxism and they need to discuss it with me.
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Piyaray Sir Taimur.. air Handsome Shahram..
v good discussion
Shahzad I love your discussions and shows…you are unfortunately playing along with anti Chinese war drums here…you came across as somewhat obstinate towards the end…
im sorry for commenting something irrelevant but shahram is so fcking handsome
Isn’t it better that assault on masses have became naked and evident,
*Love from Gujerkhan* 🆗
1:49:00
WOW
Haven't watch d the full podcast but dont be so pius Khan said the right thing that is what a man is. God hides our sins doesn't means you guys are angels. We are all equal some are more equal than others thats it. Remember the amount of lust passed through your mind untill now and be humble. Koi pata ni kis k raaz kb Allah duniya k saamny khol k rakh dy
I live in the west and the society here is equally destroyed morally as in Pakistan but in some aspects we are worse and that is true.
Talk about Abdülhamid 2
After one year these debaters must be scratching their heads after watching PDM disastrous govt.
1:15:55
سنا ھے کہ علم نفسیات جو کہ اب مکمل سائنس ھے پیڈوفئل کو زھنی بیماری نہیں مانتے بلکہ اس کو ایک فطری عمل سمجھتے ہیں. ان دانشواران پاکستان کا اس بارے کیا فرمانا ھے؟
Watching this episode was super fun . When I listen to Marxist lecturer in countries where Marxism has not come to power and I see them talking about freedom , empathy , liberation , logic etc , i feel like becoming an Marxist . But when I see countries where Marxist’s have come to power , I see a very different Marxism whose deeds are similar to fascists ! Very informative podcasts 💚!!
It's a completely one sided show. One at least should invite two different ideologies for a constructive debate instead of badmouthing about people or ideologies without even listening them. Only then viewers can decide which one of it was more realistic and reasonable.
Bhai har cheez news tv ki debate nahi hai. Yeh ek different medium hai. Tumhe naahi dekhna mat dejho
Deja Vu documentary aegi Jo K Reaganomics per thaperay maregi 🤣
NAWAZ AVONFIELD SHARIF.
I would so love to see similar discussions amongst our Indian Marxist intellectuals too. This kind of content is missing in India I guess.
Anyway love this, thank you shehzad for bringing shahram again. Taimur sir ko Toh TH-cam pe dekhte hi rehte hain.
Moulana tareq ki video dekho wo khud china gaye the uigar muslim ki buri halat dekh ke aaye hai
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39.22 too hilarious
Call Ashir Azeem
Abc
taimoor sb! for all ur talents, u are not a good actor... sorry
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Shahzad: As always good platform. But is not today’s discussion totally academic and full of theory. The issue with Marx or Commies or extreme leftist idea is nothing is applicable to deal with real life situation (may be in bits and poe
cheap talk.
Sir CGTN is state owned Mouth piece .
Then an argument can also be made that BBC and other western media outlets are corporate-owned so how can they be trusted to deliver truth? Either both of them telling truth or none.
@@abhigupta999 who said they are ?.. all are propoganda machines... Your truth lies with your Nation .✌️
Waste conversation
All this conversation is in vain after uighar muslim view
Tankieism is classical marxism now.
Shahzad you seems ahistorical.
Khair sai kakh samajh nahi aie. Itna pata laga hai k, kuch bhi kar lai, aam banda pisay ga hi.
Pta nahi yeh -ism kahan sai atay hain, yeh nizaam kis nain aisa bnaya hai. Par bnaya mera faida uthanay k liay hai , aur muje btaya hai k muje faida pohanchaanay k liay bnaya hai 😑