IdeasOfIceAndFire you were correct however in that much of the history/mythology of Tuatha de Danaan is drawn upon for the early history of the COF & the First Men/Andal invasion. Good catch. Not too many youtubers mention that(like none except maybe LML)
What Rhaegar was inspired by? Aegon the Conquer was inspired by William the Conquer, Aegon the unworthy was inspired by Henry the 8th, Eddard stark inspired by Richard Duke of York, Tyrion inspired by King Richard the third, Robb stark inspired by king Edward York, House targareyn inspired by Norman, House stark by House York, House Lannister by House Lancaster.
I think Brienne is living an authentic life. She is true to herself. Imagine if she had bowed to society and was just a brood mare for some guy who only wanted to be Lord in Tarth. That would be a tragic life.
I agree. She has doubts about her life sometimes, feels like she let her family down, but she could not be that dutiful daughter, so she is herself. It is her bast life.
I'm not quite sure. It doesn't really fit with Daenerys' story, and there are some other plot points later on which are relatively independent. This would also mean Littlefinger's responsible for setting the story in motion, which is giving the man too much credit. I think we gotta say Robert's Rebellion is the single event which set the story in motion.
Another channel theorized that Littlefinger was the one who told Brandon Stark that Lyanna was kidnapped by Rhaegar in order to get back at him for Catelyn and get him killed so he would have started Roberts Rebellion as well and still be the catalyst for it all. If anything, LF is a testament to all that lies can do and the power that can be held by those who exploit them for their own gains.
The different areas are ruled by Great Lords. Warden's are not rulers, they are military titles, tasked with acting as the king's general in a specific region (North, South, East, West) with the power to mobilize and command any forces within their area of responsibility.
Mists of Avalon is my FAVORITE book, and you really MUST have the Audio Book from the web or Audible. Davina Porter narrates and is AMAZING, creating voices for scores of characters. Get it!
Two videos in one day, you are a gift. You're theory on the fact that this is magic's last leg reminds me of the idea that terminally ill patients get a surge of strength. They get marginally better or even back to near perfect health and then they pass. But I don't know if magic could completely disappear from this world but they have definitely been pushed deep underground.
I find your view on the opposite magical forces countering each other very interesting! I'm not so sure it started with the birth of the dragons thought. George has said himself that the changing of seasons is due to magic. It just so happens that the story begins at the end of a very long summer (when the others are seen again for the first time in ages). The seasons are mentioned quite alot through out the books and the last couple of winters are said to have been breef. Seems to me there's some sort of imbalance there... In the beginning of the first book they mention a couple of times that the wall is "weeping" meaning slowly melting (before the birth of any dragon as far as we know). What if the wall itself is not there to protect the world of men but to separate the the world of men from The Land Of Always Winter and by doing so, ensuring both sides stay habitable for two species who otherwise couldn't coexist. Maybe that's the deal that was made. We get a pretty good idea of how the precense of the others affect humans (the ones that are not slaughtered basically freeze or starve) but how do the precense of humans affect the others? Maybe their only purpose going south is to stop the event of an ever lasting summer. Any thoughts?
Wow, very interesting theory. I do believe there is more for us to learn considering the duality of the opposing forces e.g fire, ice, summer, winter. So i think you could be on to something!
I wonder are the Others more like the Banshee in Irish myth. The banshee (Bean Sidhe) are spirit women who warn people of death with a scream or wail that’s described as horrible and ear piercing. They banshee warns of the deaths of great (or noble) Irish houses and each house has their own banshee. it’s said that if you stand in her way of carrying out her scream she will kill you. I wonder if we’ll find out that the Others are trying to warn of death (or something else) and that the Nights Watch brothers and Wildlings are standing in their way, so they are killing them. Pure tinfoil hat theory, was pondering over it when I was going to bed one night 🤷🏻♀️
Yea no banshees are more seen as a warning not a threatening force. And the others have their own language while banshees are ghosts. I feel like the closest we get them is the wights in the show. But yea.
I thought the Silent Sister’s were a play on Banshees. They remind me of the Unseelie - the Fey of Winter. I just believe that it’s their turn to rule. I figure another planet will enter the planetary orbit of Planestosis Solar System, and we’ll have a Pole Reversal. 90% of life will be extinct. Perhaps the Others don’t want to rebuild the world of the Seelie, COTH.
Arya is 9 when the book begins. Jon, at the beginning of ACOK comments that his sister Arya is not yet one and ten. It's not important I just think it's good to remember. She's only a year older than Bran and she's just so young to deal with what she does.
A few notes regarding Briennes chapters (23:00). Her chapters juxtaposed to Tyrions made me grow very fond of her character while despising Tyrion more and more with every chapter. She is a very strong (mentally and physically) character while Tyrion drowns in self-pity about his looks and his only ever solution to anything seems to be to murder somebody. When you reread his chapters you will notice that often times the first thing Tyrion thinks when he regrets something is:"I should have murdered XYZ while i could". He is such a terrible person, even more so when compared to Brienne
Having never properly read the series, today I finally understood King's Landing's namesake. In my ignorance, I thought it had something to do with a ship reaching port, or "landing".
having a blast coming back and watching these old videos quinn - havent thought about asoiaf much in recent years these videos are some of the best out there tho. If you haven't found his stuff before it's a bit late in the game although we still have a final book to look forward to... but Preston Jacobs was one of my favorite asoiaf content creators years back and has a fun series on the old gods titled The Minds of Wolves and Robins which has a ton of value in what it covers about some of georges old scifi writing and how it pertains to his writing of the old gods. If you get into that then especially worth it to go back and read his short story anthology - I did it on audio lol! anyway thanks again quinn I've really been enjoying your work and it's getting me hyped for winds of winter like I haven't been in years
Celts are Celts...sure, Southern isles aren't as Nordic but they're brothers. No foul here. If ya wanna talk fouls & war....reply...I'll teach ya something.
During the war of the Roses, do you think Ireland or at least an elite Irish family didn't play a part,even if it had been a small part? Wars tend to drag in the surrounding areas. Anyway, artistic license trumphs all.
@@reksub10 Ireland was occasionally relevant as were all the surrounding foreign powers, especially France, but it was an English conflict of succession.
I LOVE The Mists of Avalon!!!! I actually found myself back on your intro video on it, after encouraging my niece to read it, earlier this evening. Which was very well done, just like all of your videos! You're one of my favorite TH-camrs! I love your content, your voice. And you're ridiculously handsome! You deserve a million subs! Or more!
Bit of a correction: "Warden" isn't actually a title denoting the *ruler* of a particular realm. It isn't inheritable either: King Robert talks about granting "Warden of the East" to Jaime Lannister following Jon Arryn's death, saying "I would be mad to rest one quarter of the realm on the shoulders of a sickly child." The feudal hierarchy in ASOIAF is a bit fuzzy in this way, and there aren't clear titles distinguishing minor lords from major ones. The closest is "Lord Paramount," but only three of these (Lords Paramount of the Reach, Stormlands, and Trident) are named, and there is no Lord Paramount of the Vale, North, or Westerlands. Mace Tyrell is both Lord Paramount of the Reach *AND* Warden of the South.
What Rhaegar was inspired by? Aegon the Conquer was inspired by William the Conquer, Aegon the unworthy was inspired by Henry the 8th, Eddard stark inspired by Richard Duke of York, Tyrion inspired by King Richard the third, Robb stark inspired by king Edward York, House targareyn inspired by Norman, House stark by House York, House Lannister by House Lancaster.
Rhaegar (& by extension Jon Snow to an extent) seems personality wise like he could have turned out to be more like Henry V. Yes, Henry V was in the generation before the Wars of the Roses, but both played the harp, neither were overly emotional, both were dutiful to what they perceived to be their current & future responsibilities as Crown Prince & King, each had a talent for cultivating favor commoner & noble favor, each showed military talent, both had complex relationships with their fathers to the point that they had their own agendas on how they'd reign even before ascending the throne, & each are romanticized after their death when their realms descend into conflict.
I would say Edward the 4th, strayed from his marriage (Rhaegar tossing Elia Aside for Lyanna - jane shore the mistress of Edward the 4th) married a woman for love against others wishes and advice which would create war and conflict (Elizabeth vs the kingmaker - Lyanna vs the north) who's sons would die horrible deaths (vanishing princes in the tower - Rhaegar and Elia's children via Mountain) and the child they would conceive (Elizabeth jr their daughter - jon Snow) would go on to marry the conqueror from across the water who has a flimsy claim from the previous royal family, who's mother suffered greatly to bring into the world, was whisked away and raised by a relative in a foreign land, trained to take back their throne and and start a new dynasty together once they succeeded (Henry tudor - Daenery's most likely) against a ruler who was not actually next in line unless of the death of two boys (richard the 3rd, mysterious vanishing of the princes in the tower - Cersei, her two boys Joffrey and Tommen who in the series jumped from a tower)
No, just... None of those characters are molded by the idea of a single person. George RR Martin does not do that, he's said it himself. They're more likely to be amalgamations of several real historical figures with a touch of the author's own imagination. Keep that in mind.
I think that the reason for the Other's attack is a humans' foult. For me the Wall was built from the Others as a line to separate their land from the land of human.
I have gone a bit insane trying to find something that connects the slaves who were used in valyria for dragon breeding and the Others. They were instrumental in the doom of valyria too and I am convinced those guys ended up as others due to mutated genetic issues. Also only the valyria immigrants know of this great big threat that they won't bother explaining to anyone
I have so much respect for people that got drafted to fight in Vietnam but found a way out. Takes more courage to fight the system than just doing what you're told. George RR Martin is an author; an academic, he's a good and brave man for standing by his principles!
it is extremely rare to have been granted conscientious objector status. Even for Quakers, and those vehemently against war it was nigh on impossible. I would be very interested to see his appeal.
LOL!! I read the mists of avalon as a freshman in high school, when my freshman english teacher recommended it to me and loaned me her own copy!! I loved it then ( I had just finished the once and future king) and I still use it to illustrate how different the story can look when you are given a story from the viewpoint of the antagonist. We have no narrative whatsoever for the Night King's side of things in this story, so it's hard for me to regard him as "pure evil". We have no idea what motivates him, so maybe it's not the right thing to label him as malevolent or malicious. In stpehen king's "it", the monster is regarded as evil, and it truly appears to be. I mean, it feeds on the fear of children! But if you read the story, it is not evil. It's from a different dimension. It's a being of light. Here, in our dimension, it's trapped in a meatsack, more or less (just like us). The closest thing it can find to it's food source (if it even needs nourishment in it's own dimension) is children's fear. Good, evil - these terms really just do not apply to it. it just is what it is. it does not have evil intent, it only wants to survive when it finds itself trapped in a deeply foreign place. I try to think of the Night King in the same kind of terms... Maybe we'll get some real answers to these kinds of questions in the prequel, because i think it's outside the scope of our current series. :D
I love your videos and how you break things down. You are so easy to listen to. Yes I know I’m watching this 2 yrs after release but I was late to reading the books. Thanks for all you do.
the Reed pledge is one of my favorites too! If I ever wrote a letter to george I would sign it with that. it is clearly an ancient oath long wrapped up in the history of the first men and the old gods and a long standing relation mediated by the old gods for some "divine purpose" between house Reed and Stark. Certainly, the Reeds maybe alongside the Blackwoods are the houses which grant us the biggest insights into the workings of the old gods besides House Stark. Howland Reed is one of georges favorite characters ever and has been said to be one of the most important in the plot of the book....he hasn't even been in the books yet besides a dream! I think we still have so much to learn! "You know nothing Jon Snow"
This is so beautiful.... Thank you for this video.... It really sums up the A Song of Ice and Fire... I believe, unlike most, that Daenerys and Bran are the opposite sides, Fire and Ice... Daenerys gets dreams surely from Quathe like how Bran gets dreams surely from Bloodraven... Both of them met their higher being... Both of their higher beings tell them what they should pursue... Daenerys must return to her Targaryen roots, and Bran must accept and develop his Warging abilities... Both of these are significant...making them decent into darkness they would not pursue otherwise... Daenerys is Fire🔥and Bran is Ice ❄ That is how I feel, at least... I would prefer it this way... I am not a fan of Jon Snow being Ice...
Emma J. Quinn Daenerys is half Blackwood, Blackwood is from the north(ice). So Daenerys is half fire,half ice. So i disagree with you on that. People seem to forget her Blackwood side..
Magic in The Lord of the Rings did not decrease. This is a common misconception that many hold of Tolkien's legendarium. Anyone can wield magic, if they have the lore to do so. Some magic is more powerful than others since its wielded by more powerful beings (Maiar, etc), but magic didn't fade. The lore necessary for the sub-creative process was lost to Men. That is a significant difference.
To make a summary of this series of novels...is impossible, unless you read them... Even then, it's impossible/endless. You've most definitely created some Game of Thrones only/show watchers - into readers of the books with this video. I have no doubt about it. Getting back to impossible summaries... You've almost done it & that's a feat! We both know it's impossible to summarize...it'd take millennia & hold GRRM hostage, lol. Also, interpretation is key..ergo, it's infinite... Valar dohæris (I'd love to hear some stuff on Kelsier & the coppermind & all of Mistborn & all the Shards.. I'm sure ya know what I mean.. How about the Bridgeman too? Rock soup anyone? Lol..great stuff man!)
Have a very strong feeling we will have many many chapters involving Danny and ppl with her. From Tyrion, Barristan and then her own chapters. Gonna be playing catch up with her story I feel .
Hey this really in depth stuff about the mythology behind the book series - which I love - I'd be very interested in an in-depth video of you explaining some of these theories properly. I think the last hero being the first greenseer is a very interesting and plausible theory, I imagine you have many others like this. Please post some videos about them. All the best!
I think he is waiting for the show to end before WOW comes out.. And now that Fire & Blood is submitted to publishers, he can go through and edit WOW and put the finishing touches on it
Wait, Arya is the third POV character in terms of chapter quantity? That's very weird, reading the books it felt like she and Bran were some of the main characters with less chapters.
Hey man! Straight dropping knowledge again I see! I just finished Aegon the 3rd in twoiaf. Thanks again for motivating me to read the books. All the best man.
one of most frustrating things about martin is that he has admitted that he is far less interested in actually finishing this story, or in this story at all, he just likes creating entertainment, and is more than happy to work on all kinds of other side projects and SOIAF be damned
Interesting you mentioned Mists of Avalon. Marion Zimmer Bradley was very much a feminist writer & tackled a few ancient myths via the female perspective. I enjoyed Mists but my favorite was Firebrand. A retelling of the Troy legend through the perspective of Cassandra, gifted with the sight but cursed that nobody would heed her warnings. In Mists, I liked how Merlin wasn't a person but a title- The Merlin, within the wiccin/druidic order. It was a well crafted story & another example where an author left in magical influence but it was subtle. Nice comparison, not one I would have made readily. 👍
I have loved your take on this series since the first video I caught by you.. however it was seeing that one vid u made on the original first draft that came out, you were so damn excited, pumped, and jus straight happy.. made me love ur channel so much more. Passion is key my friend 😊 your insight has been much appreciated.
Mists of Avalon might'vwe been the first 'adult' fantasy book I've ever read, it stuck with me. I loved it, I still do, perhaps I shoudl reread it. Despite being very dyslectic.
I really hope it doesn't end up following the trope of 'there is no place for magic in the world of men' and we see all magic and more magical beings ceasing to exist. I'm definitely over that trope being used
I've been watching all your content ever since I joined the ASoIF fandom, and I've never taken the time to thank you for your effort and all the time you put into them. They're always made with a high standard in quality, you also put a lot of genuine personal creativity instead of copying other ASoIF theory channels. Also I seen how dirty they did you at Con Of Thrones, that guy kept talking over you and it annoyed me to no end specially how he was barely saying anything of interest (I hope he gets hit by a bus, lol jk). I'm also a quiet person (sometimes) so I can relate wif cha
Great work!! Very informative. Love these books. Really really looking forward to the coming books(if they actually do come) Read the Dune books years! ago and am going to check out your vids on that. You are so professional in your coverage and have a great voice for this. Thank you so much for your passion and dedication
Love your videos, was brought here by your excellent dune videos. Also love Mists & ASOIAF. Do more Wheel of Time videos, love your reading of the dark prophecy! X
Have you read the Dandelion Dynasty by Ken Liu. There are currently two books in the series, The Grace of Kings and The Wall of Storms, with a third on the way in the future. Should you ever bore of either ASOIAF or Dune, this series will have plenty for you to sink your teeth into.
Not that it's a big deal but Arya is 9 in AGOTs and 11 in ADWD, because Jon and Robb are only 14 at the start of AGOTs before turning 15 later in the book. While Sansa is 11-13, Bran is 7-9, and Rickon is 3-5 between AGOTs and Dance
There's a book by Nivin(sp*) that was old when I read it when I found it in a used book store when I was 14 but I fell in love with it immediately. I may still have a copy idk, I have si many now. Anyway, the book is called The Magic Goes Away. It always stayed with me probably because I wabted to save the magic as much as thise on the quest. It's beautifully written and sadly enough takes place on Earth but the journey they under take is no less epic as you follow them around the world and even into the clouds. If you can find an old copy, read it. You won't regret it. To me it became a kind of obsession. No single book grabbed me like that. Seireses of course! Anyone who's read Peirs Anthony would know that long before ASoIaF or read Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy in it's oddly named trilogy😉. Some books you read over and over. They're apart of tou. This was 1 such book for me.
I have my own take on the magic explosion theory instead of magic going out all together it goes into cycles where for the most part theres not much of it but its starts to get larger at points what were reading is so far the third cycle the first being the war between the First Men and the Children and the second being the Long Night
So what I don’t understand is, why did the White Walkers and the NK become active with the birth of dragons if there were dragons around and more plentiful only 150-200 yrs prior??
I recently discovered your channel after season 8 aired, it's disappointing conclusion launched me into the books (in ACOK currently) and I just wanted to say that I really enjoy your analysis of the characters and lore. I wanted to ask you something, there's a chapter in AGOT where Sansa is remembering a time before the story takes place when she and some of the Stark children go down to the crypts only for them to be ambushed by Jon and Robb as they pretend to be the Others climbing out of the empty tombs. I wanted to ask you if you thought this was a possibility of foreshadowing the crypt scene in season 8 (my assumption being that D&D just executed it badly). What made me think this is that it's in the pov of Sansa, and she's the one who's frightened the most by Robb and Jon, and in the show, she's the only Stark child in the crypts.
It's told through atleast 2 perspectives. One is a Greenseear, who can see everything but can't hear. Then if you read it using opposites, you get a RedEar, who can hear everything but can't see.
That's cool how you mentioned as a kid GRRM would watch the ships and make up stories about where they had been and where they would go and that's what Sansa did w Shea at the docks of the Red Keep! He looked in his own past realized that was an escape he had used as a child.
Would love it if you'd upload your podcasts to a few different podcatchers, like spotify. Would make it so much easier for me to listen to you while commuting
brianne is cool but she isnt exactly an underdog. she is noble and rich, her father supported her and gave her the best training possible. she is a very capable warrior and knight and her mind is strong enough to sustain her through all the deirespect she faces.
Growing up in an environment full of religious fanatics made me hate Melisandre most of all the characters. More than all the others who made horrible things. As you said, Melisandre is DANGEROUS. I think people who like her think she's a regular witch but she is definitely not. Martin captures so well how religious fanatics are and how they work that she made me feel scared by all people she would encounter.
Any chance these could end up on iTunes? I’ve found a lot of things I like to listen to are only on TH-cam which destroys data vs downloading it off iTunes for in the car
An Irish fan here just wanted to say the war of the Rose's is English history not Irish may seem like a small difference to an American but in Ireland we get offended easily over being called English 😂
Even my mom loved this! and there are 20 a**holes that dislikes it ! SHAME ON THE DISLIKES! Just the Old Nan narration itself! almost as creepy as the house of undying narration! It's ok, for each dislike there's another 100 likes! We love you!
Such a chilling notion isn't it. Not knowing how much our own history is the truth and how much of it is lies. As much as we don't like to think history IS written by victors and the powerless people and weak nations suffer. Look at Vietnam Iraq Afganistan and to lesser extent Cuba Turkey(Real name is Türkiye). And while I fucking love ASOIAF I hate the trope of magic dissappearing from the world. I hope there will still be magic.
Grrm is playing his cards close to his chest. I think the winds of winter is pretty much done but the show isn't. Once the show is done I bet we get winds in a few months after that. I'm not saying he's waiting for it to end and alter a dream of spring, its a middle digit to hbo. Its more of a ohh so its over and done look by how much they missed the mark.
GRRM isn't anti-war. As he said he was against the Vietnam war because he didn't believe in it, he does not think all war is pointless. He has said he would have signed up to fight the nazi's. Also the fact that Quinn is a journalism major explains so much.
Have you had a chance to check out "Children of Blood and Bone"? It's a new fantasy book based on African history/mythology. Specifically Yoruba history.
You really should read the analysis I've posted about the WW and the ancient history of Westeros on my facebook wall. I've talked with Val about them and she can tell you. I also wrote one on the meaning of Ice and Fire. In fact, check them all out. I know I got all my predictions on season 7 wrong, but I still think I version was better than the real one. As far as WOW is concerned, Martin has lied before, so I'm not sure if his denials are as final as he makes them. It would be entirely in character for him to insist its not coming out until the very day it is announced.
I misspoke when I said the War of the Roses was Irish history! It's English history of course!
No problem, mate. We still love your videos. This is top quality content - it's great!
IdeasOfIceAndFire you were correct however in that much of the history/mythology of Tuatha de Danaan is drawn upon for the early history of the COF & the First Men/Andal invasion. Good catch. Not too many youtubers mention that(like none except maybe LML)
What Rhaegar was inspired by?
Aegon the Conquer was inspired by William the Conquer,
Aegon the unworthy was inspired by Henry the 8th,
Eddard stark inspired by Richard Duke of York,
Tyrion inspired by King Richard the third,
Robb stark inspired by king Edward York,
House targareyn inspired by Norman,
House stark by House York,
House Lannister by House Lancaster.
Rhaegar was mostly likely inspired by Edward, the Black Prince (1330-1376)
If im being really picky its british history seems the war of the roses was won with support from the Welsh.
Anyone else feel that Old Nan could be talking about the future?
KingBowserVlog I think the map of westeros looks like old nan looking west,from the neck up the map of the North looks like and old hag.lol.
A Witcher Series would be interesting. I think it fits well into your channel's theme and has some unique and interesting perspectives.
I am from an even more forward future. It has become a nightmare.
I am from an even farther future, and no one speaks of the Witcher anymore.
I think Brienne is living an authentic life. She is true to herself. Imagine if she had bowed to society and was just a brood mare for some guy who only wanted to be Lord in Tarth. That would be a tragic life.
She is the ideal knight. She is strong, honorable, and dedicated. Unlike the Lying prideful and corrupt knights of Westeros.
I agree. She has doubts about her life sometimes, feels like she let her family down, but she could not be that dutiful daughter, so she is herself. It is her bast life.
This was one of the best breakdowns of A Song of Ice And Fire that I've seen to date!
ANDIS2068 I agree!
I still believe it's most sensible to say that the events of ASOIAF/GOT are put in motion primarily by the murder of Jon Arryn
I'm not quite sure. It doesn't really fit with Daenerys' story, and there are some other plot points later on which are relatively independent. This would also mean Littlefinger's responsible for setting the story in motion, which is giving the man too much credit. I think we gotta say Robert's Rebellion is the single event which set the story in motion.
Another channel theorized that Littlefinger was the one who told Brandon Stark that Lyanna was kidnapped by Rhaegar in order to get back at him for Catelyn and get him killed so he would have started Roberts Rebellion as well and still be the catalyst for it all.
If anything, LF is a testament to all that lies can do and the power that can be held by those who exploit them for their own gains.
That is just the political events.
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The different areas are ruled by Great Lords. Warden's are not rulers, they are military titles, tasked with acting as the king's general in a specific region (North, South, East, West) with the power to mobilize and command any forces within their area of responsibility.
Mists of Avalon is my FAVORITE book, and you really MUST have the Audio Book from the web or Audible. Davina Porter narrates and is AMAZING, creating voices for scores of characters. Get it!
Two videos in one day, you are a gift. You're theory on the fact that this is magic's last leg reminds me of the idea that terminally ill patients get a surge of strength. They get marginally better or even back to near perfect health and then they pass. But I don't know if magic could completely disappear from this world but they have definitely been pushed deep underground.
I find your view on the opposite magical forces countering each other very interesting!
I'm not so sure it started with the birth of the dragons thought. George has said himself that the changing of seasons is due to magic. It just so happens that the story begins at the end of a very long summer (when the others are seen again for the first time in ages). The seasons are mentioned quite alot through out the books and the last couple of winters are said to have been breef. Seems to me there's some sort of imbalance there...
In the beginning of the first book they mention a couple of times that the wall is "weeping" meaning slowly melting (before the birth of any dragon as far as we know).
What if the wall itself is not there to protect the world of men but to separate the the world of men from The Land Of Always Winter and by doing so, ensuring both sides stay habitable for two species who otherwise couldn't coexist. Maybe that's the deal that was made.
We get a pretty good idea of how the precense of the others affect humans (the ones that are not slaughtered basically freeze or starve) but how do the precense of humans affect the others? Maybe their only purpose going south is to stop the event of an ever lasting summer.
Any thoughts?
Wow, very interesting theory. I do believe there is more for us to learn considering the duality of the opposing forces e.g fire, ice, summer, winter. So i think you could be on to something!
I wonder are the Others more like the Banshee in Irish myth. The banshee (Bean Sidhe) are spirit women who warn people of death with a scream or wail that’s described as horrible and ear piercing. They banshee warns of the deaths of great (or noble) Irish houses and each house has their own banshee. it’s said that if you stand in her way of carrying out her scream she will kill you. I wonder if we’ll find out that the Others are trying to warn of death (or something else) and that the Nights Watch brothers and Wildlings are standing in their way, so they are killing them. Pure tinfoil hat theory, was pondering over it when I was going to bed one night 🤷🏻♀️
Aine Walshxo I like your idea!
Awesome idea.
The Others reminds me more of Draugr from Norse Mythology.
Yea no banshees are more seen as a warning not a threatening force. And the others have their own language while banshees are ghosts. I feel like the closest we get them is the wights in the show. But yea.
I thought the Silent Sister’s were a play on Banshees. They remind me of the Unseelie - the Fey of Winter. I just believe that it’s their turn to rule. I figure another planet will enter the planetary orbit of Planestosis Solar System, and we’ll have a Pole Reversal. 90% of life will be extinct. Perhaps the Others don’t want to rebuild the world of the Seelie, COTH.
Arya is 9 when the book begins. Jon, at the beginning of ACOK comments that his sister Arya is not yet one and ten. It's not important I just think it's good to remember. She's only a year older than Bran and she's just so young to deal with what she does.
Bran is 7 in AGOTs and 9 in ADWDs, while Arya is 9 in AGOTs and 11 in ADWDs and George confirmed that she will be 12 in TWOW
A few notes regarding Briennes chapters (23:00). Her chapters juxtaposed to Tyrions made me grow very fond of her character while despising Tyrion more and more with every chapter. She is a very strong (mentally and physically) character while Tyrion drowns in self-pity about his looks and his only ever solution to anything seems to be to murder somebody. When you reread his chapters you will notice that often times the first thing Tyrion thinks when he regrets something is:"I should have murdered XYZ while i could". He is such a terrible person, even more so when compared to Brienne
Having never properly read the series, today I finally understood King's Landing's namesake. In my ignorance, I thought it had something to do with a ship reaching port, or "landing".
Wardens are only north south east and west the stormlands do not have a warden just a lord same with the river lands.
Love the video though and not trying to nitpick just figured you wouldn't mind the correction.
having a blast coming back and watching these old videos quinn - havent thought about asoiaf much in recent years these videos are some of the best out there tho. If you haven't found his stuff before it's a bit late in the game although we still have a final book to look forward to... but Preston Jacobs was one of my favorite asoiaf content creators years back and has a fun series on the old gods titled The Minds of Wolves and Robins which has a ton of value in what it covers about some of georges old scifi writing and how it pertains to his writing of the old gods. If you get into that then especially worth it to go back and read his short story anthology - I did it on audio lol! anyway thanks again quinn I've really been enjoying your work and it's getting me hyped for winds of winter like I haven't been in years
War of the roses is English history not Irish.
Great channel. Love your stuff.
Celts are Celts...sure, Southern isles aren't as Nordic but they're brothers. No foul here. If ya wanna talk fouls & war....reply...I'll teach ya something.
During the war of the Roses, do you think Ireland or at least an elite Irish family didn't play a part,even if it had been a small part?
Wars tend to drag in the surrounding areas.
Anyway, artistic license trumphs all.
@@ValarMorghulis... The English aren't Celts, they're Anglo-saxons
@@reksub10 Ireland was occasionally relevant as were all the surrounding foreign powers, especially France, but it was an English conflict of succession.
The war of the roses was an English conflict not an irish one.
Warms my heart to see the progression of content and subscribers to this channel. Keep crushing it man.
I LOVE The Mists of Avalon!!!! I actually found myself back on your intro video on it, after encouraging my niece to read it, earlier this evening. Which was very well done, just like all of your videos! You're one of my favorite TH-camrs! I love your content, your voice. And you're ridiculously handsome! You deserve a million subs! Or more!
Bit of a correction: "Warden" isn't actually a title denoting the *ruler* of a particular realm. It isn't inheritable either: King Robert talks about granting "Warden of the East" to Jaime Lannister following Jon Arryn's death, saying "I would be mad to rest one quarter of the realm on the shoulders of a sickly child."
The feudal hierarchy in ASOIAF is a bit fuzzy in this way, and there aren't clear titles distinguishing minor lords from major ones. The closest is "Lord Paramount," but only three of these (Lords Paramount of the Reach, Stormlands, and Trident) are named, and there is no Lord Paramount of the Vale, North, or Westerlands. Mace Tyrell is both Lord Paramount of the Reach *AND* Warden of the South.
What Rhaegar was inspired by?
Aegon the Conquer was inspired by William the Conquer,
Aegon the unworthy was inspired by Henry the 8th,
Eddard stark inspired by Richard Duke of York,
Tyrion inspired by King Richard the third,
Robb stark inspired by king Edward York,
House targareyn inspired by Norman,
House stark by House York,
House Lannister by House Lancaster.
Rhaegar (& by extension Jon Snow to an extent) seems personality wise like he could have turned out to be more like Henry V. Yes, Henry V was in the generation before the Wars of the Roses, but both played the harp, neither were overly emotional, both were dutiful to what they perceived to be their current & future responsibilities as Crown Prince & King, each had a talent for cultivating favor commoner & noble favor, each showed military talent, both had complex relationships with their fathers to the point that they had their own agendas on how they'd reign even before ascending the throne, & each are romanticized after their death when their realms descend into conflict.
I would say Edward the 4th, strayed from his marriage (Rhaegar tossing Elia Aside for Lyanna - jane shore the mistress of Edward the 4th) married a woman for love against others wishes and advice which would create war and conflict (Elizabeth vs the kingmaker - Lyanna vs the north) who's sons would die horrible deaths (vanishing princes in the tower - Rhaegar and Elia's children via Mountain) and the child they would conceive (Elizabeth jr their daughter - jon Snow) would go on to marry the conqueror from across the water who has a flimsy claim from the previous royal family, who's mother suffered greatly to bring into the world, was whisked away and raised by a relative in a foreign land, trained to take back their throne and and start a new dynasty together once they succeeded (Henry tudor - Daenery's most likely) against a ruler who was not actually next in line unless of the death of two boys (richard the 3rd, mysterious vanishing of the princes in the tower - Cersei, her two boys Joffrey and Tommen who in the series jumped from a tower)
No, just... None of those characters are molded by the idea of a single person. George RR Martin does not do that, he's said it himself. They're more likely to be amalgamations of several real historical figures with a touch of the author's own imagination. Keep that in mind.
I think that the reason for the Other's attack is a humans' foult. For me the Wall was built from the Others as a line to separate their land from the land of human.
The others sre the only ones who could have built it for sure
I have gone a bit insane trying to find something that connects the slaves who were used in valyria for dragon breeding and the Others. They were instrumental in the doom of valyria too and I am convinced those guys ended up as others due to mutated genetic issues. Also only the valyria immigrants know of this great big threat that they won't bother explaining to anyone
I have so much respect for people that got drafted to fight in Vietnam but found a way out. Takes more courage to fight the system than just doing what you're told. George RR Martin is an author; an academic, he's a good and brave man for standing by his principles!
I mean, that might be a bit much to say. Charging a machine gun is more brave than just about anything I can think of
@@Captain_Insano_nomercyRight?! People have no idea what their actual freedoms costs.
30 minutes of talking about how amazing Martin's works are? A bit of an overkill. And totally something I also do every single day.
it is extremely rare to have been granted conscientious objector status. Even for Quakers, and those vehemently against war it was nigh on impossible. I would be very interested to see his appeal.
LOL!! I read the mists of avalon as a freshman in high school, when my freshman english teacher recommended it to me and loaned me her own copy!! I loved it then ( I had just finished the once and future king) and I still use it to illustrate how different the story can look when you are given a story from the viewpoint of the antagonist.
We have no narrative whatsoever for the Night King's side of things in this story, so it's hard for me to regard him as "pure evil". We have no idea what motivates him, so maybe it's not the right thing to label him as malevolent or malicious.
In stpehen king's "it", the monster is regarded as evil, and it truly appears to be. I mean, it feeds on the fear of children! But if you read the story, it is not evil. It's from a different dimension. It's a being of light. Here, in our dimension, it's trapped in a meatsack, more or less (just like us). The closest thing it can find to it's food source (if it even needs nourishment in it's own dimension) is children's fear. Good, evil - these terms really just do not apply to it. it just is what it is. it does not have evil intent, it only wants to survive when it finds itself trapped in a deeply foreign place.
I try to think of the Night King in the same kind of terms...
Maybe we'll get some real answers to these kinds of questions in the prequel, because i think it's outside the scope of our current series. :D
What started a series of deconstructing characters and break classic fantasy trophies. In years later by now, we end up to following them now.
I love your videos and how you break things down. You are so easy to listen to. Yes I know I’m watching this 2 yrs after release but I was late to reading the books. Thanks for all you do.
the Reed pledge is one of my favorites too! If I ever wrote a letter to george I would sign it with that. it is clearly an ancient oath long wrapped up in the history of the first men and the old gods and a long standing relation mediated by the old gods for some "divine purpose" between house Reed and Stark. Certainly, the Reeds maybe alongside the Blackwoods are the houses which grant us the biggest insights into the workings of the old gods besides House Stark. Howland Reed is one of georges favorite characters ever and has been said to be one of the most important in the plot of the book....he hasn't even been in the books yet besides a dream! I think we still have so much to learn! "You know nothing Jon Snow"
Couldn’t stop the song from popping in my head when you mentioned GRRM’s ideas in war.
WAR!
WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?
This is so beautiful....
Thank you for this video.... It really sums up the A Song of Ice and Fire...
I believe, unlike most, that Daenerys and Bran are the opposite sides, Fire and Ice... Daenerys gets dreams surely from Quathe like how Bran gets dreams surely from Bloodraven... Both of them met their higher being... Both of their higher beings tell them what they should pursue... Daenerys must return to her Targaryen roots, and Bran must accept and develop his Warging abilities... Both of these are significant...making them decent into darkness they would not pursue otherwise...
Daenerys is Fire🔥and Bran is Ice ❄
That is how I feel, at least... I would prefer it this way... I am not a fan of Jon Snow being Ice...
It makes more sense. Dany is fiery passion, while Bran is [now] stone cold. Jon is something in the middle, or a combination of both making him more.
Emma J. Quinn Daenerys is half Blackwood, Blackwood is from the north(ice). So Daenerys is half fire,half ice. So i disagree with you on that. People seem to forget her Blackwood side..
i think Daeny is fire, Bran is Ice, and Jon is both Ice and Fire.
I think that’s most accurate because Jon is already ice and fire so he can’t represent just ice.
Maya B that’s not close enough to matter.
Magic in The Lord of the Rings did not decrease. This is a common misconception that many hold of Tolkien's legendarium. Anyone can wield magic, if they have the lore to do so. Some magic is more powerful than others since its wielded by more powerful beings (Maiar, etc), but magic didn't fade. The lore necessary for the sub-creative process was lost to Men. That is a significant difference.
Loving the content dude keep up the good toobin
Perfect description, Q!
Valar dohæris...
To make a summary of this series of novels...is impossible, unless you read them... Even then, it's impossible/endless. You've most definitely created some Game of Thrones only/show watchers - into readers of the books with this video. I have no doubt about it. Getting back to impossible summaries... You've almost done it & that's a feat! We both know it's impossible to summarize...it'd take millennia & hold GRRM hostage, lol. Also, interpretation is key..ergo, it's infinite...
Valar dohæris
(I'd love to hear some stuff on Kelsier & the coppermind & all of Mistborn & all the Shards.. I'm sure ya know what I mean.. How about the Bridgeman too? Rock soup anyone? Lol..great stuff man!)
Have a very strong feeling we will have many many chapters involving Danny and ppl with her. From Tyrion, Barristan and then her own chapters. Gonna be playing catch up with her story I feel .
Hey this really in depth stuff about the mythology behind the book series - which I love - I'd be very interested in an in-depth video of you explaining some of these theories properly. I think the last hero being the first greenseer is a very interesting and plausible theory, I imagine you have many others like this. Please post some videos about them.
All the best!
I think he is waiting for the show to end before WOW comes out..
And now that Fire & Blood is submitted to publishers, he can go through and edit WOW and put the finishing touches on it
Cali Kesh As much as I hope that
George said he’s 4/5 done with Winds
lee Roberts and now his working on those prequel shows -.-.
I'm from the future year of 2024, and we are still waiting on WOW.
Wait, Arya is the third POV character in terms of chapter quantity? That's very weird, reading the books it felt like she and Bran were some of the main characters with less chapters.
Arya has sooo many POV chapters in book 2 and 3!
Hey man! Straight dropping knowledge again I see! I just finished Aegon the 3rd in twoiaf. Thanks again for motivating me to read the books. All the best man.
Great video! Thank you for sharing!
Your selection of Kevin Macleod's songs fit very well with your videos
one of most frustrating things about martin is that he has admitted that he is far less interested in actually finishing this story, or in this story at all, he just likes creating entertainment, and is more than happy to work on all kinds of other side projects and SOIAF be damned
Thats what happens when you get one too many fat paychecks. Why bother?
Interesting you mentioned Mists of Avalon. Marion Zimmer Bradley was very much a feminist writer & tackled a few ancient myths via the female perspective. I enjoyed Mists but my favorite was Firebrand. A retelling of the Troy legend through the perspective of Cassandra, gifted with the sight but cursed that nobody would heed her warnings.
In Mists, I liked how Merlin wasn't a person but a title- The Merlin, within the wiccin/druidic order. It was a well crafted story & another example where an author left in magical influence but it was subtle. Nice comparison, not one I would have made readily. 👍
I feel like we are living in the Long Night as Winds of Winter is nowhere near approaching. (2021)
It's 2024 and still no WOW. Doubt anyone thought it would still be unfinished.
I have loved your take on this series since the first video I caught by you.. however it was seeing that one vid u made on the original first draft that came out, you were so damn excited, pumped, and jus straight happy.. made me love ur channel so much more. Passion is key my friend 😊 your insight has been much appreciated.
Even notices the similarities between our favorite Bolton and the others, chasing maidens in hunt and feeding them to his servants.
Mists of Avalon might'vwe been the first 'adult' fantasy book I've ever read, it stuck with me. I loved it, I still do, perhaps I shoudl reread it. Despite being very dyslectic.
I really hope it doesn't end up following the trope of 'there is no place for magic in the world of men' and we see all magic and more magical beings ceasing to exist. I'm definitely over that trope being used
I've been watching all your content ever since I joined the ASoIF fandom, and I've never taken the time to thank you for your effort and all the time you put into them. They're always made with a high standard in quality, you also put a lot of genuine personal creativity instead of copying other ASoIF theory channels.
Also I seen how dirty they did you at Con Of Thrones, that guy kept talking over you and it annoyed me to no end specially how he was barely saying anything of interest (I hope he gets hit by a bus, lol jk). I'm also a quiet person (sometimes) so I can relate wif cha
And that will be part of the bitter majic leaving the human realm.
Thats funny, those are my 3 favorite characters. But Aria is my #1 favorite. She is a total bad ass and reminds me of my youngest daughter.
Great work!! Very informative. Love these books. Really really looking forward to the coming books(if they actually do come) Read the Dune books years! ago and am going to check out your vids on that. You are so professional in your coverage and have a great voice for this. Thank you so much for your passion and dedication
"We got the devastating news that Winds of Winter will not be coming out this year" - Quinn six years ago.
Feels bad man.
Love your videos, was brought here by your excellent dune videos. Also love Mists & ASOIAF. Do more Wheel of Time videos, love your reading of the dark prophecy! X
Have you read the Dandelion Dynasty by Ken Liu. There are currently two books in the series, The Grace of Kings and The Wall of Storms, with a third on the way in the future.
Should you ever bore of either ASOIAF or Dune, this series will have plenty for you to sink your teeth into.
I'm going to check this books. Thank you 😊
Not that it's a big deal but Arya is 9 in AGOTs and 11 in ADWD, because Jon and Robb are only 14 at the start of AGOTs before turning 15 later in the book. While Sansa is 11-13, Bran is 7-9, and Rickon is 3-5 between AGOTs and Dance
GREAT video! you seem to get better at this with every video. wish i could see you at Con of Thrones. you will totally kill it!
The three-eyed raven fed Jojen to Bran...yes....
I was literally listening to your northern realms episode from last November when you posted this haha.
Love your videos. Wish i could support you. One day!
Awesome video as usual keep the great job
So many "Do the Witcher" comments.
I'm sure IOIAF knows about Elric of Melniboné.
I'm from the future, and they did a Witcher series. It ended up quite a mess.
The Faith of the Seven is Catholicism. The faith of Rhlor, with it's dualism and strict rules is probably Calvinist Christianity.
Great video IOIAF
There's a book by Nivin(sp*) that was old when I read it when I found it in a used book store when I was 14 but I fell in love with it immediately. I may still have a copy idk, I have si many now. Anyway, the book is called The Magic Goes Away. It always stayed with me probably because I wabted to save the magic as much as thise on the quest. It's beautifully written and sadly enough takes place on Earth but the journey they under take is no less epic as you follow them around the world and even into the clouds. If you can find an old copy, read it. You won't regret it. To me it became a kind of obsession. No single book grabbed me like that. Seireses of course! Anyone who's read Peirs Anthony would know that long before ASoIaF or read Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy in it's oddly named trilogy😉. Some books you read over and over. They're apart of tou. This was 1 such book for me.
Great video, but I assume you meant English, rather than Irish history! :)
That was a wonderful video, thank you.
I have my own take on the magic explosion theory instead of magic going out all together it goes into cycles where for the most part theres not much of it but its starts to get larger at points what were reading is so far the third cycle the first being the war between the First Men and the Children and the second being the Long Night
Greatest story ever written!!! hands down!!! 🔥🔥
I think it would be fascinating to meet you sir!
So what I don’t understand is, why did the White Walkers and the NK become active with the birth of dragons if there were dragons around and more plentiful only 150-200 yrs prior??
Your voice plus that music=what I call asleep to at nap time lol
*fall
I recently discovered your channel after season 8 aired, it's disappointing conclusion launched me into the books (in ACOK currently) and I just wanted to say that I really enjoy your analysis of the characters and lore. I wanted to ask you something, there's a chapter in AGOT where Sansa is remembering a time before the story takes place when she and some of the Stark children go down to the crypts only for them to be ambushed by Jon and Robb as they pretend to be the Others climbing out of the empty tombs. I wanted to ask you if you thought this was a possibility of foreshadowing the crypt scene in season 8 (my assumption being that D&D just executed it badly). What made me think this is that it's in the pov of Sansa, and she's the one who's frightened the most by Robb and Jon, and in the show, she's the only Stark child in the crypts.
It's told through atleast 2 perspectives. One is a Greenseear, who can see everything but can't hear. Then if you read it using opposites, you get a RedEar, who can hear everything but can't see.
The seven aspects of the divinity of the Westerosi religion seem to be influenced by Jungian archetypes. Just a thought.
The Iron Isles and the Stormlands are also kingdoms without wardens.
That's because you can't have 2 Wardens of the West or a Warden of the South East.
That's cool how you mentioned as a kid GRRM would watch the ships and make up stories about where they had been and where they would go and that's what Sansa did w Shea at the docks of the Red Keep! He looked in his own past realized that was an escape he had used as a child.
Would love it if you'd upload your podcasts to a few different podcatchers, like spotify. Would make it so much easier for me to listen to you while commuting
brianne is cool but she isnt exactly an underdog. she is noble and rich, her father supported her and gave her the best training possible. she is a very capable warrior and knight and her mind is strong enough to sustain her through all the deirespect she faces.
She is - no one expects her to be any good at fighting, she is constantly picked one for not being pretty.
Growing up in an environment full of religious fanatics made me hate Melisandre most of all the characters. More than all the others who made horrible things. As you said, Melisandre is DANGEROUS. I think people who like her think she's a regular witch but she is definitely not. Martin captures so well how religious fanatics are and how they work that she made me feel scared by all people she would encounter.
Ur the best dude...!!!
Any chance these could end up on iTunes? I’ve found a lot of things I like to listen to are only on TH-cam which destroys data vs downloading it off iTunes for in the car
Or can you download it off patreon? That would be another incentive to become a patreon donor
An Irish fan here just wanted to say the war of the Rose's is English history not Irish may seem like a small difference to an American but in Ireland we get offended easily over being called English 😂
Even my mom loved this! and there are 20 a**holes that dislikes it ! SHAME ON THE DISLIKES! Just the Old Nan narration itself! almost as creepy as the house of undying narration! It's ok, for each dislike there's another 100 likes! We love you!
Congrats on the panel invites
Tell me the song name please
What’s the song playing at 10:30?
i have room in my life for magic!
Such a chilling notion isn't it. Not knowing how much our own history is the truth and how much of it is lies. As much as we don't like to think history IS written by victors and the powerless people and weak nations suffer. Look at Vietnam Iraq Afganistan and to lesser extent Cuba Turkey(Real name is Türkiye).
And while I fucking love ASOIAF I hate the trope of magic dissappearing from the world. I hope there will still be magic.
Grrm is playing his cards close to his chest. I think the winds of winter is pretty much done but the show isn't. Once the show is done I bet we get winds in a few months after that. I'm not saying he's waiting for it to end and alter a dream of spring, its a middle digit to hbo. Its more of a ohh so its over and done look by how much they missed the mark.
GRRM isn't anti-war. As he said he was against the Vietnam war because he didn't believe in it, he does not think all war is pointless. He has said he would have signed up to fight the nazi's. Also the fact that Quinn is a journalism major explains so much.
Do Elric Of Melnibone
Two videos in one day?? I feel spoiled !
George is a pirate, he even stole his "R.R."
Con of Thrones.... lol. They never knew how meta that name would become!
Quinn for Master of the Nerds!
Have you had a chance to check out "Children of Blood and Bone"? It's a new fantasy book based on African history/mythology. Specifically Yoruba history.
You really should read the analysis I've posted about the WW and the ancient history of Westeros on my facebook wall. I've talked with Val about them and she can tell you. I also wrote one on the meaning of Ice and Fire. In fact, check them all out. I know I got all my predictions on season 7 wrong, but I still think I version was better than the real one.
As far as WOW is concerned, Martin has lied before, so I'm not sure if his denials are as final as he makes them. It would be entirely in character for him to insist its not coming out until the very day it is announced.
The old god's religion is based on Celtic/norse paganism and animism too