The Hidden Lovecraft in A Song of Ice and Fire
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- IOIAFCAST #5 H.P. Lovecraft is the father of cosmic horror. In the 1920s the author stories which explored our fears involving the vastness of the cosmos, unraveling sanity, and the fear of alienation not just of one's self but on a deeper level the fear of the other, and the unknown.
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This is a MILLION times more interesting than the crap they're churning out for Season 8.
this video is better than season 8
Well, sure, this is how mythologies are created. People propose stories, people chose the ones they like, and those stories survive during millennia.
Humanity screwed up the day we acepted concepts like canon, copyright (at least the abuse of it) or franchise. Now decadence, decadence and stupidity.
Yea hey he's got me right back into this amazing world, and now I'm reading H.P Lovecraft for the first time too XD
@@beyond12021 Oooh! Enjoy your Lovecraft! Your world is about to change for the weirder and the better! ;D
@ThisIsMyRealName Seriously. Though I think an argument could be made for season 4 being the last "real" season of GoT. At the very least, as a die hard GRRM reader, I still found it satisfying, in spite of matters like the glaring lack of Lady Stoneheart. We still got our brilliantly executed Purple Wedding, Pedro Pascal was delightful as Prince Oberon, everything involving Tyrion's trial was fantastic, especially the interplay between Peter Dinklage and Charles Dance, and the trial by combat was something brutal that I didn't know that I'd needed in my life. Tywin's death was overall highly satisfying, though Jaime's lack of mention of Tysha was definitely a sign of things to come, and not a good one. Still, I stand by my judgment that GoT died with Tywin Lannister, and that the really good actors who were killed off in the first few seasons were the lucky ones.
Hastur is also known as the king in yellow, he rules in a city with a yellow sky filled with black stars, this city is Carcosa. This is also a city in Essos and in the books a yellow emperor rules there. Just something I thought you should know.
There is an Indian movie called tumbad. A horror movie with a demon named hastur.
You guys are in trouble. You know he is not to be named!
The “Oily Black Stone” or “Bloodstone” is almost definately a Robert E Howard reference. There are several other Howard, and Clark Ashton Smith bits dropped in.
what bits?
Yes, but they also worked within the same mythos as Lovecraft - they all corresponded and shared ideas. And most importantly, Lovecraft never copyrighted any or his works, names, creatures, or ideas. He *wanted* other writers and artists to build on what he'd begun, which is a part of his genius in my opinion.
@@neuralmute I agree. By doing this, he was assured to make live his own creation for decades and to leave his mark on the fantasy genre. The black stone is definitely an Howard reference, as well as the Five Forts which are ancient mega structures like in some places of Hyperborea.
@@Neo587 Exactly! Lovecraft set himself up to be possibly the most influencial writer in the horror and fantasy genres by allowing his mythical world to be a playground for other writers and artists who came after, and who did the same with the ideas they'd borrowed from him. There's a very good reason that I've got a framed rubbing of Lovecraft's gravestone hanging over my bed!
@@neuralmute H.P Lovecraft was a genius. That's not a coincidence if he is quoted and mentioned as an inspiration for many authors, including George R.R. Martin, who put Lovecraftian elements everywhere in his world (and I'm convinced that Euron, the Drowned God and the Great Other are coming directly from Martin's passion for H.P.L). For me, he is as important and iconic as J.R.R. Tolkien to the fantasy genre. He was a pionneer for his time and the next generations, his work and universe being a major inspiration for many now. And where Tolkien is simplistic and classic in his approach of sentient beings, like an idealisation of existence, I strongly prefer Lovecraft's and Martin's deep and dark explorations and descriptions of the conscious beings' behaviors. In truth, they appear to be more important for me than Tolkien's work. Clark Ashton Smith and Robert. E. Howard were excellent writers as well and close friends of Howard Philips Lovecraft. They formed a brilliant and extraordinary circle of pionneer writers. I like Martin's world and works even more, knowing and seeing that he is heavily inspired by their creations and discovering their incomparable marks in A Song of Ice and Fire. It's a majestic and immense tapestry of mysteries, and in my opinion it's the major reason why we are all here talking about ASoIaF. This mix of influences and talents created a true fascination for this whole tangible world ;)
Also In his earlier book, "Fevre Dream" Martin's main character is Abner Marsh very similar to a character in "The Shadow over Innsmouth" named Obed Marsh. Both boat captains too.
I recently read Fevre Dream and loved it. I also noticed a few references (if you can call them that since FD came out about a decade before the GoT). Like someone said "the night is dark, and the day is long" and someone even said "of fire and blood".
Sorry for the long comment
i thought about something different: as joshua york tells abner about the origin and history of the "vampires", he mentions a black city that they seek and want to revive or something like that. now, look at all these lovecraftian influences, why shouldn't this city be like cosmically connected to different dimensions, like the world of ice and fire. Well, think of stygai or asshai or so, and then just think about how freaking cool it would be if we meet some "vampires" in a vision of euron/aeron/melisandre/dany/bran or even in fact!!!
😂 noice.
@Edith Verderber shut the fuck up
yea and my grandpa's name is Marsh too maybe he is from Innsmouth. Go get a life idiot..
The best thing that HP Lovecraft ever did was not copyright his works, I love how so many different universes are connected by it either directly or being heavily influenced by it, it's like it's own multiverse XD
You're mistaken, Lovecraft works were copyrighted by his estate, however copyright normally does not exceed 50 years after the authors death. Lovecraft works have been in the public domain internationally since 2008. However that said, Lovecraft was very generous with his universe and other authors wrote in that universe, including Ambrose Bierce, to everyone's benefit.
@@shawnwales696 Ambrose Bierce died in 1913, he didn't write in HPL's universe
@@shawnwales696 Lovecraft made his universe open for anyone who wanted to add new stories to it
@@unsenorllamadoukko5795 well... Sort of. He did that by dying so long ago that his family can no longer sue you
What if the Church of Starry Wisdom is the Faith of the Seven? After all, for centuries or even millennia the center of the Faith was in Oldtown and the Starry Sept, which is built out of black marble.
Krumbull and on the coast lines
The Faith also has a presence in Braavos, so it would be odd for Arya (who was educated by a septa) to recognize the Church's singing as something familiar
What about the Doom? In Jaime's dream he thinks the doom lives beneath Casterly Rock. And in the House of Undying something is after Daenerys.
The biggest nod to Lovecraft I can find is that all these characters are fighting and dying for power, titles, family, and religion. But Beric and Jon both say that there's nothing but maddening blank, dark space after death. A black empty void that consumes all...
The idea of petty human squabbles meaning absolutely nothing in the face of a force of nature, incomprehensible to the puny humans in its shadow is very Lovecraftian!
Yay for an Ideas and Order collab, and another yay for lovecraftian podcast!! We don't deserve this awesomeness!! (But I'm so happy it's been bestowed upon us!!)
Pamela Mertz ideas of order
Hey Quinn, I just wanted to let you know that you should send in a recording of you doing an A Song of Ice & Fire reading as an application to become George's new Reader for official audiobooks. Your Reading Voice is amazing and I feel like it would be a missed opportunity if you didn't. From a Fan -Dillon
Quinn does like one voice and You think he can fill Roy Dotrice's shoes?
BigDirtyUncle I bought the dunk n egg novellas read by Harry loyd and he can’t even fill Roy Dotrice shoes idk why Quinn’s fans are so stuck on him
@@YourGraceMyLady I have no idea why either. Quinn is a disgustingly bad narrator in comparison to someone like Roy Dotrice so its baffling to me that some of his fans think he can do it. lol maybe they think he'll acknowledge their existence if they blow enough smoke up his ass.
@@kuroshthegreat8073 You did not have to be rude
@@carmendiez5214 They're just angry because they don't have a nice narrating voice. Quinn has a great voice. I like listening to his channel while I work and before I sleep. I've just started reading Dune because of him.
Shivers down my spine of the chemical change in my mind ,listening to all these therios of acient myths, lovecraft and cosmic horror I'm dreaming good tonight Quinn and the order of the greenhand epic fuckin epic!
Do a episode about the Michael Moorcock stuff in the a song of ice and fire
Red Stone ***BLOODS AND SOULS FOR MY GOD ARIOCH***
Had to stop the video halfway because you guys reminded me of one of my own mysteries. I sware I remember reading somewhere that one of Aegons sisters had found a giant ancient city in Southeros but every attempt at colonizing it failed so they decided not to go back. Funny thing is I cant seem to figure out where I read this lol. Any ideas
Brandon of the Bloody Blade Aegon's sisters did not go to Sothyros, although Valyria did try to colonize it 3 times with Ghis also having a go .
A lone Valyrian flew her dragon south for something like 3 years and came back, reporting that the continent never seems to end.
you may be thinking of Queen Nymeria, who took the Rhoynar to Sothyros, inhabiting the cities of Zemmattar and Yeen only to find the entire Yeen city abandoned later. Nymeria then took ship again
About Shu-Niggurath: He/She/It is an outer god of fertility and change which can in some rituals eat it’s summoners and the give birth to them again as a satyr-like immortal being (kind of like that one god with three faces in ASOIAF) and it is said that in times of hardship the people of Qohor will sacrifice their own children to the black goat (the black goat of a thousand young if they are the same entity), so it could be that instead of knowledge they are seeking to make their land fertile so they can feed their people or even asking the outer goddess to strengthen their warriors to deal with enemy threats.
Bran 9000: The throne goes to Rheagars only surviving so, Aegon, Jon Snow.
Jon: I don't want it.
Bran 9000: The the throne goes to Aerys 2nd born son, Jaime Lannister.
Jaime: I would be a terrible king. I don't want it.
Bran 9000: Next would be Cersei his eldest daughter.
Cercei: Begins to laugh in triumph.
Daenerys: Dracarys, and takes the throne.
Lame dude
I got the impression that anyone who referred to themselves as having Blood of the First Men was essentially declaring lineage from Garth.
I thought Dany's visions & dreams made it pretty clear the Bloodstone Emperor was her blood ancester?
I agree about Jaime and Cersei there are so many similarities between Cersei and Aerys:
- they are both paranoid
-wildfire makes them ecstatic
-they are both extremely erratic
The World of ice and fire about Aerys: „Though not the most diligent of princes, nor the most intelligent, he had an undeniable charm that won him
many friends“/Jaime about Cersei in Feast for Crows: „What ever else one might say about his sister, she did know how to make men love her when she cared enough to try.“
The World of Ice and Fire:„In 265 AC, offended by the stink of King's Landing he spoke of building a 'white city' entirely of marble on the south bank
of the Blackwater Rush“/Cersei to Jaime in a Feast for Crows:„'After the war I mean to build a new palace beyond the river' She had dreamed of it
the night before last, a magnificent white castle surrounded by woods and gardens, long leagues from the stinks and noise of King's Landing“
World of Ice and Fire about Aerys: “None of these grandiose plans ever came to fruition; most indeed, were forgotten within a moon's turn, for Aerys
seemed to grow bored...“/Jaime thinks about Cersei: „She does not lack for wits but she has no judgement and no patience.“
Jaime remembering Aerys-Storm of Swords: „All the traitors. Rossart says the are inside the walls. He's gone to make them a warm welcome“
Cersei talks about her plan to burn the tower :„'the fire may smoke a few rats from the rubble...The imp is small and cunning. He may still be in the
walls. If he is, the fire will smoke him out...“
The world of Ice and Fire about Aerys:“Henceforth, His Grace told Pycelle, the realm would know for a certainty that the man who wore the crown
also ruled the Seven Kingdoms”Cersei thinks at Margaerys trial: „...they would know they had but one true queen.“
It goes on and on...
This was really fun to listen to. There's so much I didnt know and learned through this podcast.
Around 20:00, the reason the eastern region is so unknown is because of the Bone Mountains. They limit travel to only three pathways that are guarded.
That Forsaken chapter really messed with my head in an existential way. Lucky for me, my favorite feeling is existential dread. I love when GRRM gives us that. He definitely pulled inspo from HP Lovecraft and it was great!
On a different note, I still want to know what lies in Valyria that can injure Balerion the freaking Dread. That chapter in Fire and Blood was pure nightmare fuel and I loved it!!
I always fine Kadath to be the most interesting aspect of the mythos...just soo strange and mysterious..
Positively dreamy.
THAT was amazing! The topics, which are amazing in and of themselves, aside, both your voices just give me fuzzy feelings and I could listen to this 24/7!
Jamie's vision could be someone in the guise of his mother. His 'mother' tells him what his father dreams. Maybe that was Tywin's ambition for their children that Joanna knew well, or it is something someone else knew from watching Tywin's dreams. I'll have to reread that chapter for myself. A fascinating sequence all the same.
I just wanted to take the time to say thanks for making videos. Not just this one but all of them. I especially enjoy your videos on subjects such as these, or DUNE. You convinced me to read the books (Thank Christ) as I only knew the David Lynch version from the 80's.
But anyway, thanks a ton!
Has anyone tried to connect the color of the Gemstone Emperors, The Eye color of the magical creatures and/or magically inclined races. AKA, Jade: Green Eyes for Green Sight, Topaz: Yellow Eyes, also maybe GreenSight, Amethyst/Tomaline : Purple Eyes, Fire/Valeryrian, Pearl/Opal, White? Moon Singers? BloodStone; Red Eyes, Skin Changing/Warging.
Dont know just a thought.
Christopher Mitchell it's a good thought! Now I'm curious.
Christopher Mitchell The order has made videos connecting eye color of the gemstone emperors to people in our current timeline (it's been a while since I've seen the video so I can't actually recall the specifics right off the top of my heard, but they also made this connection, you'd probably thoroughly enjoy their vid on the subject) and actually I'm pretty sure their theory about the connections is almost exactly what you're talking about, I'll try to find which video it is and post a link for you, and if you're not already a subscriber, but you made this connection, you'd probably enjoy their content!
This is just what I need. Gonna let this buffer for min, while I still have data, and then hopefully this will get me through the rest of the Rocky's to Denver before I have to try and load another video lol
I realize this is an old video but one way I saw it was that there is only one god and his name is death and what do we say to death not today . Despite what’s looks like the white walkers are the ones who are bringing dead men back to life in a manner of speaking with the exception on Jon, beric, and lady stone heart.
This is one of my favourite videos to come back too
"We live inside the eye of a blue eyed giant macumbah"
Once a season for the first 1-4 seasons of the show, someone made a reference to this.
I love re listening to this video even 5 years later. Was such a cool conversation with Quinn and Dave.
What about all the Dagon references in the books? Quite a few Greyjoys with the name and GRRM mentions how one looks very much like a phish. Such brilliant depth of writing. Great job with the podcast, very enjoyable!
This is awesome but is it me or is the editing a bit choppy? The guest will start speaking and mid-word it cuts off in some places.
Fascinating topics I gotta check out Green Hand podcast.
I don't think that is editing, but the mic just cutting off the voice, because he was a bit too quiet at that moment.
Firstly, I'm certain "my lady" is an actually wonderful sort... Yet , her voice triggers me to want to do battle with every "mean girl" I've ever known... I'm so glad I could hear this conversation without her (unintentional ?) imposition.
Secondly & more importantly, Quinn... You are astounding! HPL unquestionably has a SERIOUSLY complicated cultural baggage. Most all his plots boil down to insanity being the result of waking to any greater truth.
Your intellect & LOVE of the western tradition of storytelling might save us all. Thank you for all you have been doing. Please continue. You might be a bit of the clue which might show us the way through our current horrors.
In regards to the sacrifices I believe the common thread is the blood of not just any one but the blood of a loved one. Referencing the sword of light and how it had to be created with the soul of his wife to imbue it with magic
This is the fast track to a nice career. Awesome reviews! Saves a lot of time.
Such a shame that the show didn't even touch on any of this. Ever since I found out about the eldritch references I've been so fascinated just sucks that Martin hasn't given more info on the farther parts of the world.
‘when Cthulhu returns there is nothing humans can do’
Humans invent atom bomb
Lovecraft ‘shocked face’
In another video, someone made a suggestion in a comment for HBO to adapt Dune as a TV series similar to ASOIAF/GOT. What does anyone think about this?
I know this is older content on yours but I found you last night and have been on a MAJOR binge. I wish I was using YT back in 2018. I live in NYC and only got into using this platform during the middle of the first lockdown. Literally just finished reading Cthulhu myself a moment ago after watching your Halloween special on it. You will def be seeing my name in your comments from here on out! I am hooked.
The talk about how far the blood of kings goes is something I’ve always thought about as well,,, very interesting 🧐
Hey my brother, what is the background music you use? @ AsoIaf. } Id like to listen to before bedtime. Thanks.
Im late to the party, but the irregular sonnet or poem"The Krakken" alfred lord tennyson is said to have inspired the Call of Cthulyu Mythos.
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Below the thunders of the upper deep,
Far, far beneath in the abysmal sea,
His ancient, dreamless, uninvaded sleep
The Kraken sleepeth: faintest sunlights flee
About his shadowy sides; above him swell
Huge sponges of millennial growth and height;
And far away into the sickly light,
From many a wondrous grot and secret cell
Unnumbered and enormous polypi
Winnow with giant arms the slumbering green.
There hath he lain for ages, and will lie
Battening upon huge sea worms in his sleep,
Until the latter fire shall heat the deep;
Then once by man and angels to be seen,
In roaring he shall rise and on the surface die.
IF you don’t know Steven Kings ‚Dark Tower‘ you have to read it yesterday I think.
Yeeeees
On the subject of the blood of gods and kings, perhaps the inbreeding of the Targaryan's is what gives their blood such power to the point where it literally gives them the magic ability to tame dragons.
This is FANTASTIC!!!!!
Hello! I wandered and ended up here out of curiosity!
I have to admit I come from the Elden Ring fandom, and I have no knowledge and familiarity of GRRM's works. Listening here, I think I gained some insight why Miyazaki and Martin's fantasy world merged so well!
I don't know much people who are willing to try and pick out, and compare and contrast which fantasy elements in Elden Ring are Miyazaki's and Martin's. Though extremely highly unlikely I hope you try and play Elden Ring and check out the story.
Many thanks for absolutely awesome podcast guys! Please keep providing us with top notch content and I'd be super hyped if there'll be another round on lovecraftian thing with a bit more focus on citations from both sources - each time you do that I feel like "god damn I see it now! how could I miss that" and this feeling is the best :)
regarding kings blood, I always thought what they sacrificed with blood magic was the individuals future potential. So the more important your potential the better the sacrifice - someone who could be king sacrifices more than someone who'd be a farmer!
Wolfie Ooh, I like that thought! A king has the potential to change the lives of thousands or millions of people, and so it makes sense sacrificing up that influence to a god would allow that god to transmit a great amount of interventional power in reality.
20:00 - 22:11 What an insight. What a horrifyingly plausible way to explain so many things in and out of story.
You could really start the next big cult off a premise like that applied to a broad spectrum of current events hahaha
Hey IOIAF, can you do a podcast on possible Lovecraftian references in Dune if there is any?
The kings all have Valyrian blood . Stannis and Robert’s ancestor was the rumored bastard of Agon
I loved your Lovecraft/ASOIF talk. Great stuff. And the music made it 1000 times more horror.
That was AWESOME!!! Davos not being Davos! You get me every time! Do this with the Order of the Green Hand more often please. My two favorites together! Thanks!
Becoming a king makes your blood powerful. Look at Mance Raider. King beyond the wall. Not to say that Garth wasn't a diety though.
Instant like. I love both Lovecraft and Martin. I find Lovecraft is one of the greatest influences in ASoIaF, especially on the religions and magic.
Whatever attacked Balerion and infected Aerea definitely sounds like a Lovecraftian horror.
finallly
my fav easter eggs are being addressed
I'd love to see you do a series on the EVE Online Universe based on the books, EVE: Empyrean Age, EVE: Burning Life, and EVE: Templar One.
Sweeeeet. Love hearin' from you guys.
With Edric Storm isn’t it the point that the Baratheons have a lot of Targaryen blood
IdeasOfIceAndFire, King Beyond the Tube!
once again amazing! I think I heard you say you have read The Wheel of Time. If so could you do a video on some of the comparisons? Pick any topic, heck make a series! Thank you!
"It is beautiful beneath the sea, but if you stay too long, you will drown."
Don't forget Carcosa is where Hastur lives ruling as The King in Yellow & in the far east of Essos there is a city called Carcosa that is ruled by a yellow king
Good thing for asha and theon that Mel didn't accompany Stannis to the crofters village. Baelon declaring himself a king would have made things awkward.
Robert Baratheon also had Targaryen ancestry through his mother and the founder of House Baratheon, Orys, was rumoured to be Aegon the Conqueror's bastard half-brother.
So Edric Storm had a lot of history attached to his kings blood.
that was an amazing conversation. thank you!
You two were fracking AWESOME together
Best colab possible. Thanks for the vid
That makes me think of the diarchy of Sparta, with its two lines of kings, each descended from a different son of Heracles.
Seriously, need more of this type of stuff. I've been thinking 3 eyed crow is the great other. 3 eyed crow.... crow, Nights watch. Guy from the nights watch with greensight??? Why does the 3 eyed crow represent the great other, and also the people defending against "the others" Been bugging me. But conversations like this keep the connections coming.
Love both your channels. Ideasoficeandfire and the order of the green hand!
Did the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch have Greensight? (Stark)
A podcast of Ice & Fire
Nyarlothotep was partially inspired by Lovecraft's horror of one of Tesla's electrical demonstrations...
I’m of the opinion that Peter Baelish is the human avatar of Nyarlathotep. It was him that set all the events behind the scenes in motion to cause the chaos of war in Westeros
Nyarlathotep seems to stand alone among the Eldritch because he seems to favour Humanity's capacity for chaos and evil and thus enjoys influencing humans by interacting with them. I feel as though if the other Eldritch want to end humanity Nyar favours the game over the end goal
They say Quohor is the closest thing to old Valyria in the video. But indeed the city being closest to old Valyria is Volantis in George R.R. Martins books and world "Game of Thrones".
Let’s also not forget Nyarlathotep’s most famous form. Nyaruko, the anime girl form.
The others have a glass candle too. They are the three eyed crow. They are the icy breath on the back of Danny’s neck.
Chaos is a ladder
Nyalahotep is the crawling chaos
Little finger is climbing the chaos
Little finger is a GOD
On the blood raven may be deceiving bran topic I had a flashback of when old Nan told bran, " dont listen to crows, they're all liars" when a crow was squaking by the window. Ravens and crows aren't so different.
The name of the Others, and their maleficient "god", the Great Other are obviously related to the Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods. Martin is definitely a major fan of Lovecraft and his friend Howard, and the more I listen to and read about these influences and references, the more I realise A Song of Ice and Fire is a sort of copy of Lovecraftian cosmic horror stories. Remember that Martin likes and wrote SF more than Fantasy. I think he even declared that Planetos was never clearly stated as a fantasy world, so could be also a sort of SF world, which would connect to the cosmic creations of H.P Lovecraft.
Another thing about Lovecraftian influences, on the Church of the Starry Wisdom. The Great Old Ones are cosmic deities not from Earth, and the Bloodstone Emperor worshipped a black stone fallen from the sky (I think it could be a direct reference to the Outer God named the Blackness from the Stars), another reference to the darkness of cosmos, which presumably brought him the "starry wisdom", as wisdom is a synonym of knowledge, given to him by some dark god(s) he made sacrifices to when he discovered the stone.
In my opinion, all those strange gods of Essos and the North and the Ironborn are way too much feared to be a simple coincidence about how mortals normally fear immortal beings with power on their afterlives. It's too present and too ancient, too much linked to very old myths and legends of sacrifices like with the underground of Leng. Martin plays with religions in his saga. Like Lovecraft played with religion, depicting the Great Old Ones as cosmic deities, but not gods like humans think of them.
When you analyse their religion, they all demanded sacrifices, the Old Gods, the Drowned God, the Black Goat of Qohor (considered to be a demon from the Bearded Priests of Norvos), Rh'llor, the Old Ones, Saagael, the Many-Faced God etc.
The Drowned God is much likely a demon with tentacles, served by the Deep Ones, who probably in turn created the Squishers from kidnapping men and women and breeding with themselves. They taught them to fear the Deep Ones then, that would also explain why they fear the ocean more than death and make sacrifices to the salty water. For the Old Gods, another possible direct reference to the Old Ones, I believe they are not that benevolent. The Old Gods with their weirwoods are probably a sort of hive mind that could be another Great Old One, a unique god with his own plans, playing with humans and greenseers like Bloodraven and Bran. I also thought about the Lion of Night. He seems not benevolent at all. We do not know much of him, but he brought the Long Night, which unleashed as well the Others from the Heart of Winter and obviously from the Grey Waste. Remember that Yi-Tish people believe that the Lion of Night brought his demons to punish mankind. Demons could be the Others, and the Five Forts were erected to protect Yi-Ti against them, as well as the Wall was erected to protect the realms of men.
Anyway, whatever it can be, there is clearly a vast web of related events and myths all around Planetos, a large network of beliefs and practices linked to the same sort of dark gods requiring sacrifices throughout the ages of History.
I went to truly believe that knowing Martin's belief about religion (I think he said something about how nothing was clearly proving that gods were existing, or interacting in Planetos), all those gods in Planetos are illusions hiding some darker reality, like the one in H.P Lovecraft's universe.
great episode, wish both of your voices were the same volume
From what stories comes the idea that the king in yellow is named Hastur, and that he is the enemy of Cthuhlu?
Oh the finger bones! What if Davos really did die at the Blackwater Battle and she fire wighted him?
Love this! I can't wait to read the books! Cosmic horror is what I live for! So sad the show went in the opposite direction
Electric Blue Agreed.
Extremely interesting, can you leave a link for all the art?
Also the music?
Thanks
How did George hide a dead man in a only 4 books? You would think someone would have found him I mean he was a pretty tall guy.
Was it the OGH who proposed the theory that Tywin's consciousness was put into the zombie mountain? A really nasty idea
Can you pleasssse do some more long casts with just you? I love just listening to you speak and miss that. I skip the convos because it breaks up the tone and they are sometimes awkard. Im sure that content is appreciated as well. But your voice is so soothing. I miss hearing you passionately get into your thoughts and theories.
YES I wanted this for so long
I think belief holds magical power in the world of ASOIAF. People believe kings have power, so their blood gains power. Euron explicitly says holy blood is useful for sacrifice, but also believes the gods aren't real. At the least, Euron believes that belief is power, and that power can work magic. Melisandre also is often associated with belief giving her power rather than magic, but in a more literal sense. If people think she's more magically powerful than she really is, it gives her more control since they fear her. Her version is the literal sense, and Euron's if the figurative.
Check out Boy in Darkness by Mervyn Peake. Has some very Lovecraftian feelings at times.
Both of these guys sound the same. It's just the gruffer guy sounds like it's the same guy constantly trying to hold back a shit. Good video.
One of your most interesting videos but something is wrong with the audio, it keeps skipping weirdly towards the end
Hey man, where do you gather all of your images for your videos? The main photo or this video about Lovecraft, I have not been able to find anywhere online.
32:40 there is also the prophecy of the promised prince which talks about “waking dragons from stone”.
Had no idea HPL was written this much into ASOFAI. Digging in now....wow
This was great. I should be doing homework, but I am here instead.
Fun stuff guys. No none seems to comment that the Valerians are straight lifts from Michael Moorcock's Melniboneans - blond sorcerous dragon-riders whose empire collapses.
I can take gore, monsters, and a whole lot of horror but holy crap, this cosmic horror kind of stuff really scares me.
Carcosa and the yellow king?