Wizards of A Song of Ice and Fire
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- IOIAFCAST #2 The interesting thing about these characters is that many seem to be connected in some way. Moqorro and Melisandre are both from the red priesthood. Melisandre, Quaithe, and Marwyn have all studied with shadowbinders, Mirri Maz Durr claims to have learned from Marwyn himself.
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Whilst I do certainly enjoy the supernatural in ASOIAF, I don't think we can ignore the author's upbringing in the 60's, and it's idea of unlocking the perceptive power of the subconcious with hallucinogenic drugs and/or autohypnosis brought about by staring into flickering flames. Like Dune, Martin's wizards use little-known chemistry, the latent powers of our own biology, and perhaps the outright supernatural.
I also see a tension in ASOIAF between the Eastern heroic tradition of "the power is within you and can be unlocked with training" and the Western notion of the "chosen one", whose power comes from outside them. Perhaps we are all on the Silk Road, caught between East and West.
cnawan okay wow. That was prefect
haha, I'll take it :3
brilliantly written sir, great thought indeed.
Nice...well put
looking into natural phenomena in order to detect patterns is not from the 60s and does not require mind alteration. It is not about autohypnosis, rather our propensity to give things meaning and detect shapes and patterns while disregarding things we can not fit into some framework of understanding. Scrying has existed longer than the 60s
Instead of Lady Stoneheart we got Dorne and it was awful.
Correction: Instead of Dorne we got Dorne and it was awful.
The dorne plotline in the books is amazing. They should have aimed for 10-13 seasons and included everything from the books. Then we would have run out of source material now, and then they could have waited for the next book.
Jong Fuu they need like an animated series or something
Jong Fuu that thought is amazing, buuuuut...there is a lot in the books that would come off as cheesy on screen, such as GRRMs beloved one person pretending to be another trope. It works great on paper. Doesn’t work on screen.
loveyourselfxx h for example: Arston Whitebeard. In the books it’s a fairly large reveal that he is in fact Barristan Selmy. This is the only example I can think of off the top of my head, but there are undoubtedly more in the series. They just wouldn’t translate as well to the screen.
Aegon, Connington, Darkstar should’ve all been in the series
Why does everyone have to be connected? Why does Rey have to be a Skywalker or... Wait, wrong series. Carry on.
A Don of Ice and Fire Carrie out
I know where you're going with this
Rey has to be a skywalker because in the words of George lucas “it rhymes” this was said in reference to the Star Wars series and the sky walkers role in it. She has to be a skywalker because that’s the way the series works.
Valigus it’s so dense every image has so much going on
Qyburn sure deserved somo analysis onde this topic. Perhaps the Children of the forest as a whole as well, like you did with the warlocks in the house of the undying. Great vid though and analysis, as always.
I Think what happened to Varys might explain the real importance of Magic.
Your videos are always so creepy
This is perfection. Well done!!
Ya Quinn!!!!! Bring the knowledge
8:04 it’s my opinion that most of the best story’s don’t have good guys it’s all shades of gray (50 of them ... ... ... sorry that was a terrible joke) a great bad guy is the one you could see been a great good guy if only X.
I feel like the 'wizards' and 'sorcerers' are the weakest aspect of GRRM's ASOIAF books. You can tell he has so much passion for the historical and military aspects, and even for dragons. But his disdain for high fantasy comes through quite a bit, and the wizards never feel fully imaged to me. I think that is because they are not fully embraced by the author. It's not entirely his fault. He's trying to write a very grounded story, and it's hard to create a convincing narrative that's grounded in military and historical detail, yet also has a believable magical system. Most fantasy authors do 1 or the other, not both. I prefer GRRM and even Abercrombie and Stephenson to Sanderson et al any day.
I liked your comment but I ultimately disagree. I think Martin has done an excellent creating a soft magic system that ties in well with alot of myths and folklore of the real world. Look through history and blood magic is definitely a thing in many belief systems. The Aztecs being a wonderfully prime example. The only characters shown in real legends to have magical knowledge or powers without the use of physical symbols of life and vitality (blood and other bodily fluids) are all demigods or have the blood of some innately magical being.
And that's how it seems to work in Martin's ASOIAF world.
i cant forgive D&D for not having victarion and moqqoro in the show.
You forgot Quiburn, the freak is a necromancer for fucks sakes.
Mirri is a complicated case in hindsight she is basically a nuclear physicist teaching Elementary Earth science
One of my favorite references about wizards in the whole series is when Arya tells Ned about Varys and Illyrio in AGOT and he says: "A wizard," said Ned, unsmiling. "Did he have a long white beard and tall pointed hat speckled with stars?" Then in ACOK Dany sees this when she meets the Undying Ones "Beyond the doors was a great hall and a splendor of wizards. Some wore sumptuous robes of ermine, ruby velvet, and cloth of gold. Others fancied elaborate armor studded with gemstones, or tall pointed hats speckled with stars"
GRRM is such a fantastic writer, it's a great callback. Poor naïve Ned :(
Ikr
This is such a good reference. They were dressing up like what people expect a wizard to look like. But true wizards dont look like that.
@Bonnard true
"elaborate armor studded with gemstones"
*RHAEGAR TINFOIL INTENSIFIES*
LML speculates that this is the undying showing Dany the People dom The Great Empire of the Dawn.
I do like how Milisandre's chapter it seems like she's doing 50% guess work, and she knows it.
You just pull numbers out of your rear end
What i keep saying over and over again is just how fantastic GRRM is at writing fantasy elements of the story in such a way that it remains utterly realistic and believable. Its never intrusive or absurd or obnoxious. You can be convinced that this story at most times is a true accounting of actual real life history. The blending of medieval lore and fantasy is done perfectly. Not sure how one could pull it off any better then how GRRM has.
This is exactly how I feel about the show. I never got into Lord of the Rings because it seems OTT, whereas Game of Thrones (esp series 1-2) feels like a genuine historical drama. The dragons are basically an endangered species... Melisandre is a weird cult leader... and the witchcraft looks like the kind of stuff we accused old women of doing in medieval times.
Sawrattan season 1-2 stays true to the books, the more they veer off to fan fiction is where they lose my interest. I’ll still watch it but I just wish they would’ve stayed true to the books. If they would’ve, then I think there could’ve been so many more seasons
@@YourGraceMyLady Exctactly so people instead of blaming Double R for not finishing the books about the demise of the show they should first blame thoose who choose to leave so much content behind !!!
I'd love to see Asshai & the Shadow Lands, I believe wild dragons exist there
Fallen Viper Yeah and in Valyria. Balerion battled one over Valyria when he brought Aerea Targaryen there, it is known.
Dillon Walker I think it was more like fire wyrms** tbh
Yeah Balerion battled with fire wyrms in Valyria. They left larva in Aerea that burned her from the inside out. Quinn has another video on it.
@@visenyastormborn8302 I think it was something nastier than either
I think the Hightowers have some sort of magical abilities although that's speculation. The Spicer family with Maggy the Frog had prophecies down pretty well and also there are various clues that make it sem they hit Robb Stark with a love potion to hook him up with Jeyne Westerling. There seems to be some magics going on with the House of Black and White.
And every time you mention Shade of the Evening, and it seems to me I'm the only person on the planet that talks about this but you and the other youtube vloggers never respond to me, but again, I like to point out it's made from a black tree and has properties very similar to weirwood paste. Arya recognized weirwood white at the house of Black and White. She left no comment on the black. I'm dead certain this black shade-of-the-evening tree is the black counterpart to weirwood white. And these trees are either cousins or rivals or some such thing with the weirwoods. This yin-and-yang looking tree thing has some significance that that better ASoIaF obsessed minds than mine need to ponder.
somewhere they are called ironwood i think when describing the doors on the Stark crypts
In hindsight this seems very obvious now. Thanks for sharing your thoughts JJ.
I don’t think they’re called ironwoods, Fenrir. There’s trees in The Haunted Forest & Wolfswood of Westeros that are noted as ironwoods, but as to the shade-of-the-evening producing trees of Qarth, they are nameless. I like your comment, JJ. Odd how these fraternal twins of weirwoods have no name. Vampwoods, maybe? That’s my nickname for them ;)
Also fitting that the house house of Black and white ( the black shade of evening tree and weirwoods being black and white) use both and serve "the one true god" death... Both claim or at least seem to claim to be god's of life and good but only death may pay for life, and all men must die...
I saw a video on this topic, I can remember who made it, I will try to find it and link it for you jj
Melisandre is immune to poison because its a property of her neck gem. In one of the Dany chapters when she is riding with Xaro Xhoan Daxos in a litter, he offers her a necklace with a red gem that is supposed to make you immune to poison through magic. Melisandre has a red gem necklace that she seems to be able to use for other magic but the inclusion of this dany chapter moment is pretty much a direct answer from GRRM. So for Melisandre the red gem makes her immune to poison plus she can do stuff with it we dont understand. Her glamor for instance probably comes through it. The chapter where the fake Mance Ryder (lord of bones) is burning comes to mind. If you read it her gm pulses and glows and she seems strained.
I'm a molecular biologist but when people ask what I do for a living, I just say Wizard :)
Require less explanation.
the name Merlin is a name almost lost of a age ! a dream to most a nightmare to others ...
I will say this from now on! I study genetics and bioengineering
@@berilsevvalbekret772 VERY MATERIALISTIC ! as for genetics one is not defined from DNA
@@kevinblease1686 .... it is literally your building blocks.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 One is a material image of ones truth spiritual self !
Instead of Mocorro we got some random lady who just seemed to disappear after season 6
The one with the nice tatas?
"To touch the light, Pass beneath the shadow" I think is a reference to the Jungian psychological concept of the shadow. In which case, the shadow isn't a physical or geographical location, but rather a psychological one.
Calling it now, Melisandre’s a Bene Gesserit!
Do you think the glass candle thing relates to the conspiracy of the masters surrounding the dragons? They're obviously used by sorcerers to await the day magic of it's kind returns to the world, the masters being so reluctant to embrace the supernatural use it as a way to demonstrate the limits of knowledge, but now the Archmaester of Higher Mysteries knows that dragons have returned.
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I see what Quaith says more as: “If you cross the sea they will expect it. Attack from another position, one not predicted.”
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One of the more convincing things regarding magic in ASOIAF is that the common people in the story are just like us, readers - they find it hard to grasp and understand magic. For example, White Wakers are just a story to scare little children. To them, magic is as strange as it is to people in the real world. Only few claim to understand it, and less than that can wield it. In other words, the magic is truly magical.
For whatever reason I think the Ghost of High Heart is one of the most fascinating characters in ASOIAF. Its too bad they didnt include her in the show
I love so much how you change your voice when reading the quotes from the books, it makes them sound even more epic.
I clicked this alert so fast I think I hurt myself
Same
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I'm really confused right now. When they meet, Bran asks Bloodraven, “are you the three-eyed crow?” and he replies, “a ..... crow? Once, aye. Black of garb and black of blood.”
He seems to be referring to him being a Night's Watch brother, not the three-eyed crow......?
Chastine E. Some think he's not the 3 eyes crow. And that was a different entity manipulating Bran. And even go so far as to compare it to Euron. Because he talks of having fallen sick as a kid and waking up to think he can fly.. and that like lewin his maester says his maester says that's BS
Tehn ohh, thanks. I'm glad someone else thought it was a weird, 'cause the first time I read it (and until now) it really bugged me.
Tehn a different entity? But what does it want with Bran? His greenseer powers or warg or skinchanging or something else?
I honestly think bran is the three eyed crow. When I read it the first time I was almost certain because of the crows dialogue with Bran not having quotation marks. Which would indicate internal thoughts. Then of course to what you pointed out with Bloodraven being confused by calling him a crow. I never hear much about the whole quotation thing to be honest.
Because Bloodraven isn't the three eyed Crow, Crow is another entity of the Great Other, and yes also connected to Euron Greyjoy who is said to have three eyes, one blue smiling, one black of malice and one blood red.
you should have touched on Benerro, the Red Priest who sent Moqorro to Victarion and can makes flames leap from his fingertips.
You do a good job highlighting the Lovecraftian aspects of the series. Well done, George R.R. Martin. Who knew Lovecraftian horror could mix so well with high fantasty, political drama and science fiction...?
I was rewatching this video today, and I, like you I believe The Ghost of High Heart is a descendant of Leaf, and the mother of Jenny of oldstones. But I got to thinking, if she knew that her daughter was married to the wrong heir, could she have been responsible for the Tragedy of Summerhall? One can only imagine the grief of having to kill your own daughter to save the world.
Marwin + stary wisdom + danerys = long night
bloodstone emperor founded tCoSW. he begun the long night by slaying the amethyst empress (possibly purple eyed and silver haired)
history repeats itself.
MHWdJ True and Valyrians are descendants of Amethyst Empress who run away from Bloodstone and the empire BS builded is likely to be Ghiscar which Maesters claim to be the founding of civilization at the time of Long Night, if you aren't ally of the Others you can't found an empire, that's what Craster was doing with his incestuous dynasty
I just discovered you like 2 weeks ago and your theories and videos are so amazing!
I'v got to agree with you here bro. The mixing of possible explaining elements and never nailing it all the way down keeps the excitement of mystery alive. When a thing like magic in stories gets explained too thoroughly it loses what its meant to embody, which is an endless set of esoteric rules that takes either vast stretches of time or supernatural means in order to learn.
Melisandre says glamor is made of shadow and suggestion, so I suspect it's actually connected to her being a shadowbinder.
Great content as always.
You know after all these years I am STILL not sure if gods are real or all of these visions are from magic itself and all these gods are zealotic people wanting their life has a meaning.
And what do we make of Maggy the Frog and to a degree Patchface?
Patchface isn't a wizard, he just gone crazy.
th-cam.com/video/IZQOje3DdMk/w-d-xo.html :D
Christian Cristof patchface lays down prophecies that have all come to fruition.
My problem with Melisandra is that she claims to know much more and to be gifted well beyond those in her order, at the same time though, she is wrong time and time again... That, my friend, doesn't seem to be the ways of a superior red priestess to me.... As far as it goes for one having spoke one word and multiple people hear different words, whether it be in a different language or not, I believe GRRM got that from the Bible, that is actually a form of speaking in what we call tongues. So actually that would make sense considering the perpetrator is religious, have it be the Red God, The Old Gods, etc.... I just felt I would share my knowledge and thoughts/opinions, if you're anything like myself I love to learn about things that I may not have prior knowledge or experience with. Awesome job on the video btw. 😀
Can you please make a playlist of the music you use for your videos? I really could use the fantastical vibes when creative writing
You have an amazing grasp of this series. I'm increasingly impressed with your videos; especially the fact that you've command over your own speech cadence.
Great content...but what about Maggie the Frog and her prophesies to Cercei,Aeron Damphair and his Forsaken visions and Patchface and his dark jokes/prophesies?what about the FM and the alchemist ?
The Pyromancers could also be mentioned. We were told that they used to be a very powerful guild back when the dragons were still around. After the Dragons vanished their power declined (similar to the Warlocks of Qarth). In A Clash of Kings they tell Tyrion that the spells they use to create wildfire were becoming more effective again, and this is shortly after Daenerys hatches her dragons.
The children always freaked me out...
Your idea about the daughter of Leaf is brilliant. This is an interesting post. And although I do see Martin's apparent leaning toward a need for balance (ice and fire), I don't think this requires the end of all magic. After all, clairvoyance and light workers of many kinds still exist today, though the darker energies are concerning.
Ahh Quaith, according to the universal theory. Everyone is secretly Quaith, and probably also a secret Targaryen.
I agree about the children of the forest not having the best of intentions. I've been saying that since the beginning
I agree 100% about the CotF, despite the berating that seems to come automatically if you dare mention the possibility on the forums. They're mankind's oldest enemy, and likely fed Jojen to Bran. It's foolish to think they can be trusted implicitly. Either BR wants to end humanity, which goes against everything we've ever seen him do, or they're hiding things from him. He had no clue what Bran was talking about when asked if he was the 3 eyed crow. That means there's another player in the game powerful enough to hide his existence from BR while being quite active. We're not talking about subtle manipulation. Whoever it is has directly influenced Bran repeatedly. The obvious choice is the Great Other, the only choice most likely. I can't prove it but I believe the Others were once the Wood Dancers who were the warrior class in their society. A group rarely spoken of that seemed to have disappeared a long time ago. They were the elite special forces during the war against mankind, the Fedakyn of Asoiaf, and as you know those types can be fanatical. Exactly the type to sacrifice there very souls by becoming, or at least creating, White Walkers. Can't say for sure that they are the zealots that I assume they are, but it fits perfectly in GRRMs philosophy and writing style to have a small group of extremists become literal monsters in exchange for the power to annihilate their enemies. If I'm right it means the CotF are likely broken into factions and that could explain why BR wasn't alone in guiding Bran.
Just occurred to me since we know the CotF have "cousins" around the world there are probably other groups of extremists within their ranks as well. Could it be the ones closest to Asshai became shadowbinders instead of ice monsters. They could live in the areas that only shadowbinders dare to travel. It would explain the wooden masks. I'm positive that wood dancers are shown to wear masks that in hindsight are extremely reminiscent of Quaithes mask. Didn't occur to me until now but damn if that doesn't, at least on the surface, answer alot of questions about Asshai. Shadowbinders would literally have to abandon all humanity to be trained bc the trainers aren't human. Omg that would mean R'hollor vs Great Other is a proxy war between two CotF factions. This deserves a deeper look.
The Ghost of High Heart is the most impressive and accurate medium we have encountered in ASOIAF. She is the embodiment of the classical term of the hermit prophet in this universe, resembling the prophets of Christian and Hebrew scripture. Even other, somewhat strong Greenseers like Jojen don't measure up to her accuracy. The Weirwood hivemind network mustn't be the only party that grants her the dreams. There seems to be something more at play here.
you should really start crediting the artists, it's frustrating to see an amazing artwork and check the description and don't even see them credited properly, unlike other ASOIAF theorists who credit each and every artist for their work
I know this is a different world but in D&D Melisandre would be a cleric who only channels power from their god.
The Undying are backdoor vampires. Pyat Pree is their ghoul that they promised to turn if he served them well, or that's how the story goes. I suspect that Euron is on the road to become a vampire - among other things - because he figured out a way to break the Undying's influence, which is probably just propaganda to attract servants and victims. The blue substance they call Shade of the evening? Well, that's their blood alright. That's why they are blue-skinned, the whole tree with dark bark is just a story to appease the Quarthene populace. A floating heart is their weakness? A dead giveaway. Finally their name is the Undying and they never-ever leave their nesting and resting place. If they ever got out of their tower I bet they would turn to ash like that.
It all comes down to headology
its funny how vic calls slavery evil, yet thralldom is basically the same thing, and claiming that no coin was exchanged means nothing. Thralldom=Slavery
Hasan Wilson but we can agree with him on the salt wives part (sarcasm)
Remember he's an idiot
Children of thralls aren't automatically thralls and there are Houses whose founders were children of thralls in Iron Islands so he is right in a sense.
allyria stark they aren't very well regarded though
Emilio Camacho Erice yes their words are something similar to even if everyone despise us? I don't remember but not every Noble house in Westeros are on the same level, Jeyne Poole is Noble ! Yet no one gives a shit about her and her father was just a steward
Bloodraven is *in a way* linked to the Ghost of HighHeart by latent power (the Dragon Blood is why Aemon isn't an Archmage, blood wgich he shares with the 100&1-eyed) and by their connection to the Children
Well one thing is for sure the shadowlands seem to have the source for a lot of the magic
I love learning about magic and it's laws in relation to the world it exists in. How does it work, what can and can't it do, and what are the consequences of it's use? Plus how do the people of the world view and interact with it? Is it something taboo and those who practice it shunned or is it marveled and it's users celebrated? Are there any Magocracies? It's so fasinating to talk about.
GRRM made wizards interesting as hell, I think wizards work best when they don't throw fireballs around.
So will the book the winds of winter be about the people fighting the children of the forest and the last book in the series will be about life without dragons and wizards and anything magical just normal life ❤️
I'll say this, I don't think Stannis is Azora Ahai, but Azora Ahai did not save the world alone. So I strongly believe Stannis will stand with Azora Ahai. Maybe he might even, go north and fight the great other as part of Azor Ahai's champions.
Your narrating always brings out the intrigue and importance of the words spoken in the books you cover. From Dune to asoiaf.
Always enjoy your videos
Ill end by saying magic is in this world we inhabit is real. Just as many in asoiaf dont believe in magic and treat it as an old legend or myth. But magic is real to those who are in a place to know so. Much is occulted in Our reality the dry history we are taught is only a carefully crafted design with an agenda.
“Cut a man from his roots and you make him a slave. “ michael tsarion
Are shadowbinders those who make pacts with the old ones beneath yiti?
As of today April 22nd 2021 there is a prequel show that has been greenlit that is going to deal with old Valeria and the element of magic and dragon taming which I think although it is part of the game of thrones lore it is a self-standing show don't be surprised if this one does fantastic they will be a lot more magic and the element of wizardry and sorcery in this show there's been one season of eight episodes already ordered
It’s not enough to say “magic exists” when it comes to Martin’s writing. Once you establish that fact then you have to ask “what exactly is magic in Martin’s universe”? I think it’s safe to say that he would never truly be interested in a world governed by magic as it would be defined in relation to Merlin. Martin’s magic will have a wizard behind the curtain. A technology. Something practical that has evolved perhaps beyond its originally intended use. The concept of a fantasy world complete with dragons, witches, mysterious forest dwelling elves with unusually long life spans and trees that remember, evolving from a world that we might be able to relate to isn’t completely unique, but in Martin’s hands may find its most powerful expression
Wasn't the Ruby on Mels neck the same type offered to Dany that protects from poison?
The wizards in this universe kind of remind me of either hacking or martial arts students. If you treat the Undying like newbs, they suddenly feel super powerful when they can do a little. Then you have the more experience people like Melisandre who can definitely do a lot, but is still frustrated by smacking into barriers. There's no one else at or above her level, so its hard to tell what her level is.
I think the ghost id high heart has a connection with bloodraven and as you say the children of the forest. This is such great video thank you for putting in the hard work to make it happen.
A minor anachronism that bugs me in the show is how the characters seem so suspicious of witches. Surely in early medieval times, witches were everywhere like doctors for most people (even Caitelyn Stark's "seven gods charm" looks like witchcraft), yet they're all quick to spit at the thought of magic which doesn't seem accurate for the time (assuming it's based on medieval Europe). Meanwhile Melisandre is "the witch" yet in many ways she's more like an Abrahamic Prophet.
I assumed this would be like a 5-10 minute video but when I noticed it was this long I got so happy xD Great video :)
What about Qyburn? He's definitely doing something weird that seems like necromancy. There was also that Wildling guy that could warg into like anything. Six Skins.
Weirdly enough, you dropped out Thoros of Myr. His interventions into plot are at least as significant as Melisandre's ones are.
Yeah I thought of him. More importantly, Euron, as well as the faceless men were left out.
I came here looking for this. No Thoros mentioned at all? If I'm not mistaken, he is the first preist of the red God involved in the books and really drives the mysticism of the early reads. What gives?
Maquorro serves the citadel at the end of the day. That's Marwin, that's how he knew where the ship was going and more importantly how to heal Victarion Greyjoy using the same magic as Mirri Maz Dur used (whom Marwin knows from Asshai)
so she saw Renly's death, the crowning of Euron and Lady Stoneheart
I'm really starting to get enthralled in your videos. Subbed
Dany's fire-proofing precedes Mirri's spell because of her Targaryean heritage and well...the fate of her life/ internal plot magic. Mirri's spell was necessary to transfer Khal Drogo's life into the three dragons and her death was just incidental.
I know I've said something to this effect before: I honestly feel that GoT's greatest omission is the cinematic wonder of Victarion and Moqorro
I really like this video Quinn, it really got me thinking about the way that Martin does portray magic and you couldn't have said it any better for the reason why I like magic in A Song of Ice and Fire, he gives you just enough, keeps it a mystery
I wanted to watch this but since I haven’t read the books yet (I’m still on ACOK) I saw major spoilers for me so yeah... once I finish the books I’ll come back to this
I got that Watchmen trailer that starts with "people wear masks to hide their trauma" as the ad during the Quaithe segment 😂 I think TH-cam is trying to tell us something!
Where can i get that music in the background?
Marwyn is maquorro gonna take out the dragons
Love your videos. The Dune is awesome! Can you do wheel of time as well?
Does the Targaryen magic of bloodravens blood factor in? I thought they sought him out because of that.
What’s the music you use for your videos?
Melisandre created the Laurel / Yanny video
Isn't it weird that a lot on thing and people, events has something to do or link to summer hall? Just wanted to point that out
I think that the Ruby Mellissandre wears around her neck has power. She turned old when she took it off and when she drank the poison the Ruby pulsed, same as when she birthed the shadow.
It would be odd and unlikely Daenerys had to go all the way east and get to Westeros from the Eastern passage literally, good way for her to come into contact with arcane sorcerers and weavers.
Quaithe is bae
Hasan Wilson I don't know any woman with a mask constantly put on has only two possibilities either too good looking or not too good looking
the ghost is obviously an albino, not a child of the forest
What about Maggy the Frog, Mother Mole, Shiera Seastar and her mother Serenei, Tyanna of the Tower, the alchemists?
Euron, Damphair, Thoros of Myr, patchface, faceless men...the list goes on.
Very interesting, I thought danerys visions in the house of the undead is her own subconscious?
I’ve wondered for a long time how GRRM was planning to tie the magic subplots together, it seems like the Gods and mages of the ASOIAF world are playing a game of their own, beyond the understanding of humans.
Wow - maybe Maqorro has tried to walk into fire in some kind of R'hlorist ceremony. He's got magic, but not dragon blood fire proofing like Dany, so he got well, crisped. Yikes!
Regardless of how powerful Bran's powers are. The weirwood hive would have the advantage over Bran's conscious ability to control any powers. Thousands of years, countless generations of memories, wisdom developed through lifetimes that last longer than humans of the world (40 years vs hundreds of years) compared to a kid. A kid who lives in a society that entertains "the old gods", but largely dismissed their customs. A society where kings, scholars, and religious zealots battle to determine the explanation for their right to power. There's no secret school preparing the One to save us from the all powerful children of the forest. Just a kid who's being manipulated while being enabled by other kids who are being manipulated.
I think George RR Martin’s main point in Game of Thrones is about the fickle nature of destiny.
He puts us in this fantasy world where any number of characters seem to be “the chosen one.” We have royal bloodlines, hidden away, mystic visions that seem to be from genuine magical beings, multiple priests and wizards giving advice to characters on their heroes journey…
The fans naturally ask “who will be the real chosen one? The knight who is the secret son of a king who rose from the dead? The princess who can ride dragons? The crippled kid who gets sent on a quest by elves to find a magic tree? The girl who travels the world to avenge her father, studying to become the greatest living fighter and learning to shape shift?
Anyone of those sound like they could be a good “chosen one hero” as audiences we are trained to look for that. But as the story goes on and on, none of them seem to be what we expected. None of them are actually “good” even the ones who tries end of getting the ones who trust them killed.
I think that’s the point. Even in this world of magic, there isn’t really a “chosen one” that’s just the lie people make up when they are writing history.
I think that is why the TV Show got bad when they ran out of book, they didn’t understand that.
Maybe Bloodraven has connection through Shiera Seastar, she is a sorcerer too and Maggie the Frog, I also think it is Jojen who is the true greenseer not Bran, Jojen has green eyes unlike Bran who has grey eyes
Bran will become something like Leto, Dune-ishly ruling Westeros for ages, setting everything back in balance, but having to be a tyrant that the ruling and noble classes will hate. He'll have an heir who is the remote descendant of Sansa - again, Dune-ishly.