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The M2 chips generating more heat on the performance cores specifically because they have more cache space to crunch data, and the tolerance has been pushed to the 105 Celcius area. The wattage of course comes into play, but Apple needs to adjust its fan curve to these M2 chips with an update for sure. At first I thought it was just the wattage but its really the performance cores getting hotter cause of the ability to crunch more data After reviewing certain tasks I do, I can't advise a M2, the SSD bottleneck is too large on the stock or upgraded model. I'd rather wait for m3 or Dragon ryzen cpu's
I already have a monitor and I am creating educational videos with an intel i7 with 16GB RAM. So an M1 Mac mini with 16 GB would be good...unless an M2 Mini with 24 GB comes along.
That's because its literally the same Macbook pro 13" with m1. Guess they've made a lot or many consumers returned and opted for the Air instead. That's leaves bunch of stocks. Have you even wonder why they put the M1s on iPads now? Exactly.
@@andyabajo Cuz it's much cheaper to make millions of same m1 chip, then make new chip for every type of product. If it can be possible, they prefere to make same chip even for iPhone
Apple most probably just using lower quality cheaper SSD to save money and that's disgusting when you know how huge margins apple has per every MBp sold. Also, WHY are they using 720p camera on an expensive device in 2022?? It's literally 1$ difference if they used 1080p cam. 720p is for 2015...
Apple at event: "Unlike our competitors, who increase power to get performance, we focus on efficiency." Also Apple: Increases power by 33% to get 13% more performance and also puts in worse SSDs to boot.
apple upgrades are almost always worthless, buy once and use it for 5 years thats the way otherwise apple products have nothing going in their way compared to windows
@@TheMambaFAN23 Who said you’re supposed to upgrade every year? Of course there are improvements every year, that doesn’t mean you have to upgrade. I’m sure people don’t upgrade their vehicle every year just because the cruise control settings have been tweaked.
@@TheMambaFAN23 Why would you upgrade a computer every year? Thats pretty stupid. These new chips can actually me get real life and usage out of it. Unlike my PC where I feel the new to upgrade components all the time. However, this computer in 2022 is a big disappointment. It seems like they are recycling parts to get rid of them and either remove it from the lineup or get ready for redesign. This is definitely not the computer to get in 2022.
Well there's no really need to upgrade from a laptop that's only 2 years old. Just seems like u wanna create more e-waste upgrading laptops every 2 years. The m1 macbook pro will be good for another 2 to 3 years.
This is an excellent comparison. For Lightroom, I suggest that you take a set of photos and combine them in a panorama. For the ultimate test you can Auto Bracketing for each shot. For instance a panorama consisting of 10 photos with Auto Bracketing will merge a total of 30 photos. I would be interested if this was included into your tests as it can be challenging to handle so many RAW photos. A RAW photo from my Nikon Z6 vary from around 30 to 33MB. A camera such as the Z7 will take photos closer to 60 MB each so this could be a good meaningful test for you to perform.
This would be an actual LR stress test. Stitching very large panoramas and doing HDR merging are the two most time consuming tasks... not exporting JPEGs.
At this point it should have a second fan to provide more value. Like silent but full M2 experience unlike the MBA. Else just get the M1 or M1 pro/max using the 14/16 inch models. Its dumb to buy it with less performance or same performance as the M1 but with a higher price premium because "its new."
@@Tech-geeky I forgot that I even made that comment so had to think back what I meant. I probably was refering to the "silence" in a sense like very low noise of two fans running at idle, which would probably be enough cooling to sustain the higher performance. Having a single fan and letting it kick in with a more aggressive curve (or anything earlier than thermal throttling) could have the consequence of more noise while two fans could have the same or better performance at lower or same noise levels, respectively. Not to mention, if you have two fans then you also need two sides with a heatsink instead of one. This would directly corelate to more surface area aiding the fans in low RPM low noise scenario. It's easier to remove heat with big surface area than a tiny one, hence why passive coolers are so massive but silent while stock coolers also do the trick with much smaller footprint at the cost of much more noise.
Thanks! Thanks for taking the time and putting these incredible comparative videos together! They are so informative, easy to understand, and helping the decision making process. As a result of these videos, I purchased an M1 8TB pro max, and I couldn’t be happier.
I know this is out of the blue but I have a question 🙋♂️ what kind of processing power is it required to mix motion graphics on Final Cut Pro X? Is that single core performance or multiple and graphics ?! Cuz even with M1 Max Mac Studio I can’t play the mix of graphics on fcpx if I don’t render them first Appreciate MaxTech for feedback
WOW! I am really impressed with your service to the community. I was expecting the M2 at super fast parametrics in all categories over the M1. Fingers crossed that Apple will update its OS and other software to optimize the M2. You would think they would make a simultaneous release.
Maybe they doing this to lower expectations then with the air release they release the floodgates and make the difference astounding to the point where loads will buy the M2 Air- the M2 pro looks so bad that it has to be set up
@@3X3-n3j Why? We already know its a bad product and the air is a whole lot better to buy due to the new design, just throw a thermal pad in the new m2 air like people did the m1 air and you’ll get more performance like the mbp it wont heat throttle that much. Also that MBP’s design is 6 years old
@@flamingkillermc2806 Yea and you and you'll get dead battery after half a year, cuz it will be overheated all the time, what is critical for this type of battery!
@@3X3-n3j if every 6 months, Apple was releasing a groundbreaking chip upgrade, nobody would EVER buy the higher end model…because in 6 months, their $2k purchase (at minimum) would be considered dated! M1 was the groundbreaking year, it SHOULD be smaller improvements now for the next couple years. I have a M1 Pro and am a graphics professional. I use it HEAVILY on a daily basis, and I honestly don’t know how they could make it perform better with software. M2 is all about marketing at this point.
My theory was since they were not planning upgrading the design of the 13" but were introducing the new MBA with M2, they had no choice to put the M2 in it, because, otherwise, they'd have to discontinue it, which they probably don't want to do until the 12" or 15" Air is ready.
@@Goaltimer Their not gonna discontinue it... They need a "portable" version, and the bigger you go, the less portable it will be. Look at iPad Pro... 12.9-inch is not as portable as 9-inch back in the day and them 7-inch. There's always a trade-off.
I was going to order a base model m2 air as soon as pre-orders opened up, but now I'm going to wait for Maxtech review as they are the only ones doing such a thorough test, i'm worried about the m2 air's SSD speed and also its thermal ability given the thinner chassis and no fan. Really surprised with the fcp benchmarks too. Thanks Maxtech, keep up the good work.
Has anybody confirmed if the 512GB models have 2 SSD chips? If so just upgrade to that if you can. On the M1 MBA you get a binned chip (1 less GPU core) if you got the base model. On the M2 Air it might be the same (making a 512GB SSD upgrade even more worth it)
@@DanielHarrisCodes i believe iirc zoneoftech got a 512gb model and it was getting the expected speeds which implies it has 2 ssd chips. M2 binned has 8 core gpu, non binned has 10 core gpu. But the problem with the 10 core gpu version with 512gb is, if you also upgrade to 16gb ram, the price is then very close to the 14" macbook pro, which is a vastly better machine.
M2 just seems like an overclocked M1 with some extra GPU cores! Hopefully with M2 Pro they will actually be able to bring it down to 3nm and get some real gains.
@@min-of8cv sure but apparently they are going to production in the 2nd half this year, seems like the timing would line up well for apple to do this for a MacBook pro release. One can hope anyway 😉
Guys, please fix your depth of field (focus) problems when you’re showing the Blackmagic SSD on screen! It’s less than useless, because it makes us viewers think that it’s going to correct itself and sharpen back up again, but it never does. It’s just not the time for trying out new vlogging techniques.,
SMH I AM UPSET THAT THE M2 IS WORSE!! I really wanted to get an M2 MBA, but with the MBP performing like this; I have a LOT of doubts. Now, I am leaning towards getting the MBP M1 Pro. The results with this MBP M2 is just crazy 🥱
I’m looking to get either the M1 or the M2. My son will be using for computer programming in college and I was wondering should I get the M1 or the M2? I don’t know a whole lot about computers/laptops and this is a surprise so I can’t ask him. Please help!
3D rendering is doing the wrong thing. I already mentioned, you need to add Redshift test doing the Moana Island scene. You can really see the difference there if you are really trying to see the usage of RAM.
If you look closely at the SSD chips, M1 has two and M2 has one. Maybe the chip shortage is still going on that Apple only uses 1 SSD chip on M2, leading to half a speed of the 2 SSD chips on M1.
@@cricitta It's probably not about the cost, but the number of chips they can produce in time. Anyway the fact that the newer model only got half the SSD read speed is so ridiculous and unacceptable.
@@jonnykuang that will be just with 13 pro model, they want to get more hate on this model, cuz they want end production of this model, and change it on air+ 15 inch
@@BoyProFun Why would any real business and its executives want to risk damaging their brand and ability to market their brand, to BUILD hate on a product so they can end production of that model? Branding/Marketing (something Apples are very great at) is the lifeblood of any company and to enact your own damage to your brand so you can stop production of a certain product you sell is bonafide stupidity. Think about that.
@@sliceofmymind apple?? damaging brand?))) ahaah they don't care, they did it 10000 times, and still everything ok)) They trying to find "legal" way to stop support touchbar and all this crap
What Size SSD is on each Model? For example - the larger SSDs are much faster than the smaller ones… Fascinating to see the massive difference in speed.
yes: very fast, a little bit to loud, in sum: hectic - on the other hand: I make my sound less loud, and save much time, I estimate about 30 % better performance than other speakers, and up to 60% in comparison to redundant unboxing-style "commentators" here at TH-cam - a great win!
I imagine Apple engineers sat in the HQ and some guy was like “just throw an M2 chip inside our remaining stocks of the 13” MBPs and remove one of two SSD chips and nobody will notice. Oh as for the box, just slap the new sticker on the old one and we’re golden!”
I am debating wether to buy a M1 or the M2 pro?! Based on this I feel like the M1 is better. But as a fist time MacBook buyer I’m not sure. Any thoughts?!?!?!
I am a Japanese Mac user. I am surprised that M2MacBook's SSD is slower than M1macbook. This is a serious problem. I am going to teach this truth to my friends. Thank you for your good presentation. Arigatou.
As a diehard macbook fan, I am so disappointed with Apple that I bought a windows gaming machine for the same price. The only reason I use macbook is for Xcode.
From a CPU only basis, it seems the M2's performance comes from higher power use rather than any really significant improvement in core design. Nothing here suggests any future M2 based mac (pro/max/ultra) will see a really significant performance boost at all, over M1. GPU is better (but not that much as better M2 performance is also core count driven). It doesnt look like there will be any particular general reason to change up from an M1 Mac right now. Better off wating for M3 ?
"Mr Cook, We have depleted all of our surplus 13" MBP Chassis in the 1st week of the M2 sales to various TH-camrs"............."Excellent Smithers, mission accomplished"
Oof. Not a good look for apple. Cripple hammer the m2 13'' on the SSD limits the gains that it could have had to be sure. We all knew this was a "let's use up spare parts" config, but wow, that m1 air for example looks like a massive beast in comparison for the price point for anyone looking for a good basic laptop in the mac environment on the cheap. Im super curious to see what m2pro/max/ultra will bring in the 14/16'' down the line in likely 2023, something tells me that we will continue to be more than happy with our m1pro/max/ultra until at least m3 or even beyond. This is one of those times where "Early adoption" seems to have been a winner to be sure, which is almost never the case with anything. Great video as always guys. Thanks so much!
I heard on the M2 Apple is using one 256 SSD memory chip where on the M1 they used two 128 SSD chips, which deliver much faster SSD speeds due to multi chip/ bus.
@@dbstamper2626 It's in m2 macbook pro. They did it for cost curtailment as they are keeping the price same as before. But they increased price in air. So there is a chance it might not be the same
I’m getting my first ever MacBook soon, which one should I choose: MacBook Air M1 base model (8gb ram, 256gb ssd) or the MacBook Air M1 (16gb ram, 512gb ssd)….I’m going to use it for school (Word, Wxcel, PowerPoint, Discord, Browsing, Netflix and TH-cam)
Keep working with the M1 if its faster and doesn't get hot. I'm still using mid 2009 and 2015 models. M1 will be the only better upgrade during these tough times with supply shortages. I'm a 15"-16" screen size person
I wonder how much the M2 performance tests were slowed down by the SSD having only 1 chip instead of 2 dual channel 2x speed? Tasks like exports do need to write. One question is 512GB storage enough to get 2 chips instead of 1 on the 256GB model you bought? That could be a huge performance reason to buy 512GB storage instead of cheaper 256GB?
makes me wonder if Apple is cheaping out on the SSD for other macbook models now...like the Macbook Pro 14/16". Would be interested if you tested another M1 Pro Macbook Pro purchased today.
@@melenchonlecon um yeah it is. Apple is cutting cost by utilizing inferior components. It would be a smart business decision to quietly use inferior SSDs on their other product line ups. We've seen this happen with other companies like Nintendo
Hello Max, I am confused between MacBook Pro 13 inch M1, MacBook Pro 13 inch M2 and MacBook Air M2. I am a business school student and I cannot decide which one to purchase. Please let me know what's best for me, Thankyou...
What are the sizes of the SSDs in the M1 and M2? IIRC in previous MacBooks the bigger the SSD the faster read/write speeds supposedly because with bigger SSD (that use more than 1 SSD chip) it can do parallel read/write operations.
You all are doing truly astounding position. I truly love to watch your recordings cause, I'm interested to find out about the innovation that update regular. So thank you Max Tech for refreshing us and for the MacBook M1 give way.
Just for the record, just having speakers get louder or have more bass does not necessarily mean they are better (not this time, they are exactly the same, but I notice that always seem to be your comment). Certainly audio quality is based on many other things too.
I'll stick with my M1 13" Pro then. The M1 chip has all of the power I need, everything I do on this machine runs beautifully, I don't think I would notice the extra power in the M2, however I would notice the slower SSD performance, the extra heat, and the worse battery life! For me, this would basically be a downgrade.
My M1 MacBook pro has been great for sitting on the couch and supplementing my Windows 11 desktop that I use for daily workloads. With the recent improvements in Microsoft 365 device management for BYOD Mac OS, the base level MacBooks have become the perfect companion device for developers of SAAS and MSPs. Only thing I wish I could do is add more RAM (simply) and that it had LTE. This is why I still prefer to travel with my Surface Pro X (Windows 11 22H2 has made this device come to life).
I’m interested to see a comparison of the base m2 mbp vs the 512 Gb version with the faster SSD in real world tests. I wonder if you will actually noticed any difference. 1.5 GBPs is definitely not sluggish, it’s just not blazing fast.
i can't believe the SSD read/write speeds by BlackMagic on the M2 are really that terrible. performance may be not a big deal in general, but SSD in an exception "in this case'
Max, in the LR export test, did you enable GPU exporting? That feature in the latest version makes it less RAM/CPU dependent and I imagine that would widen the gap between the two laptops
@@witewolfmusic1654 Nah, it's a Lightroom thing: by default, it only uses CPU cores for exporting. Gotta enable GPU separately. Might happen by default now since this video came out though
Trust. Thats what i feel alot of people will also do once they see the new ipad 2022 model comes out going from the M1 to M2 thus seeing the difference isn't that crazy. I mean sure there will be a different but the M1 is wicked fast already. For me i would rather keep the M1 and go M3 which will be that upgrade...
the answer for this product is straight forward: it’s macbook gov. it’s not for us consumers. in order to meet the RFP requirement, the product needs to be publicly available. also needs to be new enough to last yet old enough so it’s easy/cheap to maintain. think about the global gov/mil/edu balk purchase. aapl is making the right decision.
Gotta ask yourself how much a higher number in speedometer is actually significant though. My PC scores significantly less than the M2, but it loads webpages near instantly & scrolls smoothly...
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Did you upgraded your OS to latest version before performing test ?
The M2 chips generating more heat on the performance cores specifically because they have more cache space to crunch data, and the tolerance has been pushed to the 105 Celcius area. The wattage of course comes into play, but Apple needs to adjust its fan curve to these M2 chips with an update for sure. At first I thought it was just the wattage but its really the performance cores getting hotter cause of the ability to crunch more data
After reviewing certain tasks I do, I can't advise a M2, the SSD bottleneck is too large on the stock or upgraded model. I'd rather wait for m3 or Dragon ryzen cpu's
What was the storage size and specs for the M2 you were testing?
@@ZachAttack2U M2 8gb 256
I already have a monitor and I am creating educational videos with an intel i7 with 16GB RAM. So an M1 Mac mini with 16 GB would be good...unless an M2 Mini with 24 GB comes along.
Thanks for including the music production test … this is the only channel that included this test in their video… thank you so much again ❤️
Yeah and it was actually very usefull!! I mean… I ordered my 14” two days ago, but now I’m happier than before 😂❤️
Yes I ham currently happy with my 13 inch pro
I think that when the M2 macbook will be updated to its latest version of macos the results may be better .
@@AmoLaMusicaIAC congrats sir
@@Krrishkumar2333 thank you very much!! 😄
That’s crazy that the M2 MacBook Air has MagSafe but not the M2 MacBook Pro.
cuz it will be abandoned very soon
That's because its literally the same Macbook pro 13" with m1. Guess they've made a lot or many consumers returned and opted for the Air instead. That's leaves bunch of stocks. Have you even wonder why they put the M1s on iPads now? Exactly.
@@michaelhall9146 I also could care less about MagSafe. I dont have kids running around tripping stuff. I only charge once and disconnect anyways.
@@andyabajo Cuz it's much cheaper to make millions of same m1 chip, then make new chip for every type of product. If it can be possible, they prefere to make same chip even for iPhone
@@beigefox6579 plus this machine last like super long so don’t need to plug in often
I wonder if Apple went from 2 to 1 SSD chip bc of supply chain shortages. Otherwise inexcusable to make the SSD slower for a newer device…
I think so. The Apple watch 8 and iPhone 14 are going to be a disappointment. Due to chip and hardware shortages!
Cheaping out a bit to compensate the rise in prices we now see everywhere. (?)
Particularly for initial reviews of a new product...
I wonder if the 512GB version of SSD is twice as fast.
Apple most probably just using lower quality cheaper SSD to save money and that's disgusting when you know how huge margins apple has per every MBp sold.
Also, WHY are they using 720p camera on an expensive device in 2022??
It's literally 1$ difference if they used 1080p cam.
720p is for 2015...
Apple at event: "Unlike our competitors, who increase power to get performance, we focus on efficiency."
Also Apple: Increases power by 33% to get 13% more performance and also puts in worse SSDs to boot.
Even my old Intel Mac never hits 104C
😂😂😂
But the power draw is still less than half for a comparable intel system 🤔
😂😂😂😂😂 what apple 😎😎
@@BolusTube I have a 2015 27" iMac and the CPU and GPU hit 106c regularly. It's 7 years old and I used it daily for 8 hours. No issue.
This seems like the most worthless upgrade if you own the "old" m1 macbook. Especially with the poor ssd.
apple upgrades are almost always worthless, buy once and use it for 5 years thats the way otherwise apple products have nothing going in their way compared to windows
I buy a new Mac every 10 years, they just continue to work well and there’s no point. I like this about them.
@@TheMambaFAN23 Who said you’re supposed to upgrade every year? Of course there are improvements every year, that doesn’t mean you have to upgrade. I’m sure people don’t upgrade their vehicle every year just because the cruise control settings have been tweaked.
@@TheMambaFAN23 Why would you upgrade a computer every year? Thats pretty stupid. These new chips can actually me get real life and usage out of it. Unlike my PC where I feel the new to upgrade components all the time. However, this computer in 2022 is a big disappointment. It seems like they are recycling parts to get rid of them and either remove it from the lineup or get ready for redesign. This is definitely not the computer to get in 2022.
Well there's no really need to upgrade from a laptop that's only 2 years old. Just seems like u wanna create more e-waste upgrading laptops every 2 years. The m1 macbook pro will be good for another 2 to 3 years.
This is an excellent comparison. For Lightroom, I suggest that you take a set of photos and combine them in a panorama. For the ultimate test you can Auto Bracketing for each shot. For instance a panorama consisting of 10 photos with Auto Bracketing will merge a total of 30 photos. I would be interested if this was included into your tests as it can be challenging to handle so many RAW photos. A RAW photo from my Nikon Z6 vary from around 30 to 33MB. A camera such as the Z7 will take photos closer to 60 MB each so this could be a good meaningful test for you to perform.
This would be very usefull to know!
This would be an actual LR stress test. Stitching very large panoramas and doing HDR merging are the two most time consuming tasks... not exporting JPEGs.
The M2 MacBook Pro doesn’t need a second fan, they just need to use the one it has instead of keeping it off until the M2 thermal throttles.
Yea but then it would be silent and cool, like the $2000 M1 Pro.
At this point it should have a second fan to provide more value. Like silent but full M2 experience unlike the MBA. Else just get the M1 or M1 pro/max using the 14/16 inch models. Its dumb to buy it with less performance or same performance as the M1 but with a higher price premium because "its new."
@@MaksimYuryev are you saying it's better this way qo it stays silent longer?
@@surena9451 so, a fan that is silent? By nature, a fan makes noise the faster it spins..
@@Tech-geeky I forgot that I even made that comment so had to think back what I meant. I probably was refering to the "silence" in a sense like very low noise of two fans running at idle, which would probably be enough cooling to sustain the higher performance.
Having a single fan and letting it kick in with a more aggressive curve (or anything earlier than thermal throttling) could have the consequence of more noise while two fans could have the same or better performance at lower or same noise levels, respectively.
Not to mention, if you have two fans then you also need two sides with a heatsink instead of one. This would directly corelate to more surface area aiding the fans in low RPM low noise scenario. It's easier to remove heat with big surface area than a tiny one, hence why passive coolers are so massive but silent while stock coolers also do the trick with much smaller footprint at the cost of much more noise.
Thanks! Thanks for taking the time and putting these incredible comparative videos together! They are so informative, easy to understand, and helping the decision making process. As a result of these videos, I purchased an M1 8TB pro max, and I couldn’t be happier.
I know this is out of the blue but I have a question 🙋♂️ what kind of processing power is it required to mix motion graphics on Final Cut Pro X? Is that single core performance or multiple and graphics ?! Cuz even with M1 Max Mac Studio I can’t play the mix of graphics on fcpx if I don’t render them first
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you need as much ram as possible
Design wise, I love the M2 but practicality wise I'll definitely go for M1.
WOW! I am really impressed with your service to the community. I was expecting the M2 at super fast parametrics in all categories over the M1. Fingers crossed that Apple will update its OS and other software to optimize the M2. You would think they would make a simultaneous release.
Maybe they doing this to lower expectations then with the air release they release the floodgates and make the difference astounding to the point where loads will buy the M2 Air- the M2 pro looks so bad that it has to be set up
@@3X3-n3j Why? We already know its a bad product and the air is a whole lot better to buy due to the new design, just throw a thermal pad in the new m2 air like people did the m1 air and you’ll get more performance like the mbp it wont heat throttle that much.
Also that MBP’s design is 6 years old
@@flamingkillermc2806 Yea and you and you'll get dead battery after half a year, cuz it will be overheated all the time, what is critical for this type of battery!
@@3X3-n3j if every 6 months, Apple was releasing a groundbreaking chip upgrade, nobody would EVER buy the higher end model…because in 6 months, their $2k purchase (at minimum) would be considered dated! M1 was the groundbreaking year, it SHOULD be smaller improvements now for the next couple years. I have a M1 Pro and am a graphics professional. I use it HEAVILY on a daily basis, and I honestly don’t know how they could make it perform better with software. M2 is all about marketing at this point.
@@BoyProFun Ok then you just buy a 6 year old design, while we enjoy your new m2 mba
My theory was since they were not planning upgrading the design of the 13" but were introducing the new MBA with M2, they had no choice to put the M2 in it, because, otherwise, they'd have to discontinue it, which they probably don't want to do until the 12" or 15" Air is ready.
They probably want to sell out the remaining parts before they discontinue this 13" design.
@@Goaltimer that's my guess also. If they do the same for the m2 MacBook Air them they are idiots. Will be very bad for their reputation
@@Goaltimer does this mean the air will get redesigned?? Oh yeah especially if the price stays the same it'll be gud soup
@@Goaltimer Their not gonna discontinue it... They need a "portable" version, and the bigger you go, the less portable it will be. Look at iPad Pro... 12.9-inch is not as portable as 9-inch back in the day and them 7-inch. There's always a trade-off.
I was going to order a base model m2 air as soon as pre-orders opened up, but now I'm going to wait for Maxtech review as they are the only ones doing such a thorough test, i'm worried about the m2 air's SSD speed and also its thermal ability given the thinner chassis and no fan. Really surprised with the fcp benchmarks too. Thanks Maxtech, keep up the good work.
Has anybody confirmed if the 512GB models have 2 SSD chips? If so just upgrade to that if you can.
On the M1 MBA you get a binned chip (1 less GPU core) if you got the base model. On the M2 Air it might be the same (making a 512GB SSD upgrade even more worth it)
if you wait the review I think it already sold out 😂
@@DanielHarrisCodes i believe iirc zoneoftech got a 512gb model and it was getting the expected speeds which implies it has 2 ssd chips.
M2 binned has 8 core gpu, non binned has 10 core gpu. But the problem with the 10 core gpu version with 512gb is, if you also upgrade to 16gb ram, the price is then very close to the 14" macbook pro, which is a vastly better machine.
M2 just seems like an overclocked M1 with some extra GPU cores! Hopefully with M2 Pro they will actually be able to bring it down to 3nm and get some real gains.
TSMC's 3nm will only be available in 2023
@@min-of8cv sure but apparently they are going to production in the 2nd half this year, seems like the timing would line up well for apple to do this for a MacBook pro release. One can hope anyway 😉
@@clintondannolfo714 keep dreaming
i think not, why would you sell 3 nm if you can sell 5 nm, apple have no enemy in arm laptop series
@@ongkyreinaldo5831 For the same reason they sell the M2 Air when the old design M2 MacBook Pro exists, it's better!
Please compare M2 vs M1 ultra Humble request you please 🇮🇳🙏
I am waiting for iPad pro 2022 model
Guys, please fix your depth of field (focus) problems when you’re showing the Blackmagic SSD on screen! It’s less than useless, because it makes us viewers think that it’s going to correct itself and sharpen back up again, but it never does.
It’s just not the time for trying out new vlogging techniques.,
Blender graph is wrong. You have the titles swapped…wasn’t the M2 faster? It looked like it when I paused after you said you finished the test.
Did Apple just pull an Intel and not really do much to upgrade the chip and just use more power ?
SMH I AM UPSET THAT THE M2 IS WORSE!! I really wanted to get an M2 MBA, but with the MBP performing like this; I have a LOT of doubts. Now, I am leaning towards getting the MBP M1 Pro. The results with this MBP M2 is just crazy 🥱
My thoughts exactly!!
Same
Can’t wait to watch M1 vs M2 MacBook Air🤤
I’m looking to get either the M1 or the M2. My son will be using for computer programming in college and I was wondering should I get the M1 or the M2? I don’t know a whole lot about computers/laptops and this is a surprise so I can’t ask him. Please help!
The the m1 MacBook Pro with 16 gb will run you at about 1300 bucks though .
If you need any more help just ask me btw
What are you going on with SSD real world performance probably the same thing
It's like that in many things. The sequels always aren't as good as the original.
33% more power to gain 13% performance? Not to mention those 105C temps.
I think I'll wait for M3 on 3nm.
3D rendering is doing the wrong thing. I already mentioned, you need to add Redshift test doing the Moana Island scene. You can really see the difference there if you are really trying to see the usage of RAM.
If you look closely at the SSD chips, M1 has two and M2 has one. Maybe the chip shortage is still going on that Apple only uses 1 SSD chip on M2, leading to half a speed of the 2 SSD chips on M1.
That’s nonsense that chip could cost apple 20$ or so maybe even less
@@cricitta It's probably not about the cost, but the number of chips they can produce in time. Anyway the fact that the newer model only got half the SSD read speed is so ridiculous and unacceptable.
@@jonnykuang that will be just with 13 pro model, they want to get more hate on this model, cuz they want end production of this model, and change it on air+ 15 inch
@@BoyProFun Why would any real business and its executives want to risk damaging their brand and ability to market their brand, to BUILD hate on a product so they can end production of that model? Branding/Marketing (something Apples are very great at) is the lifeblood of any company and to enact your own damage to your brand so you can stop production of a certain product you sell is bonafide stupidity. Think about that.
@@sliceofmymind apple?? damaging brand?))) ahaah they don't care, they did it 10000 times, and still everything ok))
They trying to find "legal" way to stop support touchbar and all this crap
Seems Apple lets the M2 run hotter to reduce the power usage of the fan thereby making up for the increased wattage of the chip.
Was waiting for this comparison. Appreciate ya both ❤️
What Size SSD is on each Model? For example - the larger SSDs are much faster than the smaller ones… Fascinating to see the massive difference in speed.
He said 256 gbytes on both
I think the graph at 15:40 is wrong. The M1 is faster?
On the 3D Blender.. The time bar shows M1 took less time, but you comment seems to indicate M2 is faster...
Tim Crook is the biggest crook , trying to put more money in his pockets by cheaping out !!! First the chargers then headphones then chips 😂
Ssd slowness is concerning only the 256 model or also the 512, 1tb model?
Just the 256 gb is effected.
Such a voice, 5 seconds was enough!!
yes: very fast, a little bit to loud, in sum: hectic - on the other hand: I make my sound less loud, and save much time, I estimate about 30 % better performance than other speakers, and up to 60% in comparison to redundant unboxing-style "commentators" here at TH-cam - a great win!
I imagine Apple engineers sat in the HQ and some guy was like “just throw an M2 chip inside our remaining stocks of the 13” MBPs and remove one of two SSD chips and nobody will notice. Oh as for the box, just slap the new sticker on the old one and we’re golden!”
I am debating wether to buy a M1 or the M2 pro?! Based on this I feel like the M1 is better. But as a fist time MacBook buyer I’m not sure. Any thoughts?!?!?!
There is not much difference between m1 and m2 so m1 would be a better choice
I am a Japanese Mac user. I am surprised that M2MacBook's SSD is slower than M1macbook. This is a serious problem. I am going to teach this truth to my friends. Thank you for your good presentation. Arigatou.
Not good for The SSD swap once you fill up 8gb of RAM limit on the base model,
As a diehard macbook fan, I am so disappointed with Apple that I bought a windows gaming machine for the same price. The only reason I use macbook is for Xcode.
best reviews in the game I make sure to share w all my friends!
can you make the same test today if something chamge
From a CPU only basis, it seems the M2's performance comes from higher power use rather than any really significant improvement in core design. Nothing here suggests any future M2 based mac (pro/max/ultra) will see a really significant performance boost at all, over M1. GPU is better (but not that much as better M2 performance is also core count driven).
It doesnt look like there will be any particular general reason to change up from an M1 Mac right now. Better off wating for M3 ?
15:41 Are the CPU names reversed?
My M2 MacBook Pro has 2,400 MB write and 2,900 Read
There’s nothing to compare because M1 has 2 years and is patched to the neck. And M2 just released and needs 2 years of patches to out perform the M1.
For a 3 Trillion dollar company, I don't get why Apple need to save on anything
Could that be solved with a software update ? If apple releases one ?
How does yours have a retina bar when it’s no longer available?
"Mr Cook, We have depleted all of our surplus 13" MBP Chassis in the 1st week of the M2 sales to various TH-camrs"............."Excellent Smithers, mission accomplished"
apple might have to rush a software update cause Once youtubers find out that M2 is slower..its gonna kill MBA m2 Sales
Oof. Not a good look for apple. Cripple hammer the m2 13'' on the SSD limits the gains that it could have had to be sure. We all knew this was a "let's use up spare parts" config, but wow, that m1 air for example looks like a massive beast in comparison for the price point for anyone looking for a good basic laptop in the mac environment on the cheap. Im super curious to see what m2pro/max/ultra will bring in the 14/16'' down the line in likely 2023, something tells me that we will continue to be more than happy with our m1pro/max/ultra until at least m3 or even beyond. This is one of those times where "Early adoption" seems to have been a winner to be sure, which is almost never the case with anything. Great video as always guys. Thanks so much!
Waiting to see what Apple did to the m2 air SSD
I heard on the M2 Apple is using one 256 SSD memory chip where on the M1 they used two 128 SSD chips, which deliver much faster SSD speeds due to multi chip/ bus.
@@dbstamper2626 It's in m2 macbook pro. They did it for cost curtailment as they are keeping the price same as before. But they increased price in air. So there is a chance it might not be the same
@@sabbir_fahim and it's also some kind of flagship product so they would be very stupid if they do the same trick
My M1 MacBook Air still amazes me 😍
Dang so it was a mistake for me to order the M2 for video?
Isn’t there a shortage or something
my 2017 MBP 15 inch is still more than enough for me.
Those SSDs are among the slower SSDs speed in the industry. The SSD upgrade for the m2 MacBook Pro should cost at most 50 bucks.
I’m getting my first ever MacBook soon, which one should I choose: MacBook Air M1 base model (8gb ram, 256gb ssd) or the MacBook Air M1 (16gb ram, 512gb ssd)….I’m going to use it for school (Word, Wxcel, PowerPoint, Discord, Browsing, Netflix and TH-cam)
my 16 inch M1 is incredible. don't have any reason to get the M2
I would still consider buying your old M1X Merch. Collectable Mistake.
Can you do a m1 air and a m2 air comparison when it is released
I am sticking with my M1 MBP
Compare the two MB Air,please! Always great videos thank you!
Keep working with the M1 if its faster and doesn't get hot. I'm still using mid 2009 and 2015 models. M1 will be the only better upgrade during these tough times with supply shortages. I'm a 15"-16" screen size person
Are you blocking the fan in the M2 in your testing?
Mad thank you to Apple for shipping the less hyped Pro model first, if it is Air I would have bought it
The thing I like is only the Magsafe and the display. Disappointed with thermals
M2 seems like a total money grab deal. The difference between M1 and M2 is €600 in Europe.
So the chip is faster but the ssd is slower so which feels faster in real life
Max, Thanks a MILLION for including the Logic Benchmark! You guys rock.
when is the macboock m2 air video coming up?? very excited🤞
I wonder how much the M2 performance tests were slowed down by the SSD having only 1 chip instead of 2 dual channel 2x speed? Tasks like exports do need to write. One question is 512GB storage enough to get 2 chips instead of 1 on the 256GB model you bought? That could be a huge performance reason to buy 512GB storage instead of cheaper 256GB?
Really enjoy your videos 🤩 thx you for inculding coding and music production
Fascinating. Thanks for this thorough comparison. SSD performance so sad.
I'll keep my M1 MBP. Overheating and old design? No need to upgrade.
100 °C near SoC continuously is no good.
makes me wonder if Apple is cheaping out on the SSD for other macbook models now...like the Macbook Pro 14/16". Would be interested if you tested another M1 Pro Macbook Pro purchased today.
That’s not how things work lol
@@melenchonlecon um yeah it is. Apple is cutting cost by utilizing inferior components. It would be a smart business decision to quietly use inferior SSDs on their other product line ups. We've seen this happen with other companies like Nintendo
@@melenchonlecon watch maxtechs latest video lol
Hello Max, I am confused between MacBook Pro 13 inch M1, MacBook Pro 13 inch M2 and MacBook Air M2. I am a business school student and I cannot decide which one to purchase.
Please let me know what's best for me,
Thankyou...
which one did you choose?
@@habibkocabas4972 MacBook Pro 14 inch
@@pranayruparel4522 how much
Air is a no buy now simply due to even worse thermal performance. The performance per watt does not change, this gen, let’s buy mini/studio/Mac Pro
MacBook needs to slow down the SSD so the next MacBook release they can say there is a 100% write speed increase with their new ssd 😅
😂🤣
Yup 🔥😂
They mistakenly released M1 because of excitement....now they realised thats y slowing down😅
I preffered the M1 speakers
What are the sizes of the SSDs in the M1 and M2? IIRC in previous MacBooks the bigger the SSD the faster read/write speeds supposedly because with bigger SSD (that use more than 1 SSD chip) it can do parallel read/write operations.
Both base 256GB. With M1 even the base is fast. With M2 you need to spend then extra $200 for 512GB to get the same speed as M1 with 256GB.
You all are doing truly astounding position. I truly love to watch your recordings cause, I'm interested to find out about the innovation that update regular. So thank you Max Tech for refreshing us and for the MacBook M1 give way.
Just for the record, just having speakers get louder or have more bass does not necessarily mean they are better (not this time, they are exactly the same, but I notice that always seem to be your comment). Certainly audio quality is based on many other things too.
Do they have the same specs like RAM, and SSD
I'll stick with my M1 13" Pro then.
The M1 chip has all of the power I need, everything I do on this machine runs beautifully, I don't think I would notice the extra power in the M2, however I would notice the slower SSD performance, the extra heat, and the worse battery life!
For me, this would basically be a downgrade.
are there any problems at M1 ?
Moral of the story! Who ever you are, don’t buy the M2 Macbook Pro! Its an afterthought product. The real M2 computer is the new Macbook Air.
I will wait for your review, before considering to buy M3 :)
My M1 MacBook pro has been great for sitting on the couch and supplementing my Windows 11 desktop that I use for daily workloads. With the recent improvements in Microsoft 365 device management for BYOD Mac OS, the base level MacBooks have become the perfect companion device for developers of SAAS and MSPs. Only thing I wish I could do is add more RAM (simply) and that it had LTE. This is why I still prefer to travel with my Surface Pro X (Windows 11 22H2 has made this device come to life).
I’m interested to see a comparison of the base m2 mbp vs the 512 Gb version with the faster SSD in real world tests. I wonder if you will actually noticed any difference. 1.5 GBPs is definitely not sluggish, it’s just not blazing fast.
Lots of people says the CTO SSD should be faster than base configuration.
i can't believe the SSD read/write speeds by BlackMagic on the M2 are really that terrible. performance may be not a big deal in general, but SSD in an exception "in this case'
Could you guys make a comparison about gaming on the M2 Chip? would be nice
What do u want to game on m2? 🤔🤔🤔
Gaming on a mac lol
@@denissssss8579 cs go, maybe fortnite, warzone perhaps, rainbow 6s, and some other games that dont use that much graphics power
@@junioremerik hmm 🤔 ok
@@junioremerik buy ps5 man
That's sad. It looks like the M2 is just an overclocked version of M1 with 2 more GPU cores.
Max, in the LR export test, did you enable GPU exporting? That feature in the latest version makes it less RAM/CPU dependent and I imagine that would widen the gap between the two laptops
So you’re saying default specs on M2 maybe throttled and have to be manually set to maximize output? That’s kind of dumb.
@@witewolfmusic1654 Nah, it's a Lightroom thing: by default, it only uses CPU cores for exporting. Gotta enable GPU separately. Might happen by default now since this video came out though
@@SamEmilio2 copy that
210 speedometer test on iPad Pro 12.9 2020 wild.
Bummer.. No need for me to upgrade my M1 Air.. The upgrade is so miniscule that i would just be wasting money.
Trust. Thats what i feel alot of people will also do once they see the new ipad 2022 model comes out going from the M1 to M2 thus seeing the difference isn't that crazy. I mean sure there will be a different but the M1 is wicked fast already. For me i would rather keep the M1 and go M3 which will be that upgrade...
the answer for this product is straight forward: it’s macbook gov. it’s not for us consumers. in order to meet the RFP requirement, the product needs to be publicly available. also needs to be new enough to last yet old enough so it’s easy/cheap to maintain. think about the global gov/mil/edu balk purchase. aapl is making the right decision.
Gotta ask yourself how much a higher number in speedometer is actually significant though. My PC scores significantly less than the M2, but it loads webpages near instantly & scrolls smoothly...
In the future all websites might require more speed since web technology is always evolving. For example, if WebAssembly becomes more popular.
Firefox has half the score of any chromium-based browser on my PC, so... I guess software plays a bigger role than hardware for this test.
Dude measuring electronic components with a tape measure…. 🤣
Image quality of the WebCam is noticeably better, but likely only because of better image processing on M2.