What happens when you try to UPGRADE an M1 MacBook to M2?

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    Many have bemoaned Apple's lack of updates to the M2 MacBook Pro, but it got me wondering... If nothing has changed with the chassis of the M2 MacBook Pro vs M1 MacBook Pro, can you swap the logic boards and upgrade an M1 Mac to an M2 MacBook? Well wonder no more! Because today I'm going to answer this silly and pointless question that nobody asked. I will boldly go where no tech TH-camr dared (or cared) to go. Behold, this video.
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  • @noahrosenheck9250
    @noahrosenheck9250 ปีที่แล้ว +2862

    next test: swap the logic boards for two identical m1's and two identical m2's (m1 to m1 and m2 to m2). see if there are hardware locks on the other components

    • @user_ao625
      @user_ao625 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      Was just going to suggest that.👍

    • @Xaltar_
      @Xaltar_ ปีที่แล้ว

      I am pretty much 100% there will be lockouts.

    • @ultrasoundconcept
      @ultrasoundconcept ปีที่แล้ว +27

      That'd be nice to see.

    • @Miguel-fm8xh
      @Miguel-fm8xh ปีที่แล้ว +72

      There are two actually.
      1. TouchID
      2. TrueTone

    • @arturoehr
      @arturoehr ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@Miguel-fm8xh didn’t know they had software locks just like iPhones

  • @seyseyseysey
    @seyseyseysey ปีที่แล้ว +152

    "Today's video is dumb, pointless and frankly serves no real purpose" dude say no more. I'll watch it to the end

    • @porvoonosho
      @porvoonosho 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You must not value your time at all.

  • @allthenamesrtook
    @allthenamesrtook ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Senior systems analyst here, although I haven't looked at the specifics of the two devices relating to this, this is almost certainly going to be a battery related issue. Both of these motherboards will be expecting to be connected to a specific battery size and voltage that almost certainly differs between the two models. While they can in theory boot up with either battery, Apple will have most likely locked the power requirement to be within a very specific range and as such anything out of that will not power up.

    • @viciousdavereturns
      @viciousdavereturns 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's exactly what I thought. It's got to be a power requirement issue with the different logic boards and chip requirements.

  • @thomaschirila6372
    @thomaschirila6372 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    To anyone who doesn't know: ZIF = zero insertion force. This means that the connector doesn't need to be forced into the slot at all to be seated. These are usually accompanied by some sort of lever to clip down onto the ribbon cable.

    • @GabrielSouza-pb9lt
      @GabrielSouza-pb9lt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Like AMD processors or old laptops, or epromm flashing devices

  • @chinamobilemag
    @chinamobilemag ปีที่แล้ว +599

    The M2 changed the way keyboard and trackpad are connected (used to be SPI on the M1). Most likely this is the reason it refuses to boot up in the M1 chassis.

    • @kuroyukihime1
      @kuroyukihime1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This is fake

    • @cristibaluta
      @cristibaluta ปีที่แล้ว

      Wouldn't make sense to continue to boot? You can use an external keyboard

    • @chinamobilemag
      @chinamobilemag ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@cristibaluta Luke broke something else apparently. iFixit did try the same and they managed to get the M2 logic board booting inside the M1 chassis. Trackpad and Keyboard did not work, of course.

    • @BilisNegra
      @BilisNegra ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@chinamobilemag Broke what? The two machines are OK again after being reassembled with their proper boards.

    • @user-xr5vr2uq6v
      @user-xr5vr2uq6v ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@BilisNegra When I took my Intel MBP apart it wouldn't boot without the bottom case screws in. I know, weirdest thing, but it's true. Bottom case on without screws, wouldn't boot. Put screws in, everything works just fine.

  • @TheSleepyCraftsman
    @TheSleepyCraftsman ปีที่แล้ว +286

    Oh, let's see how hard Apple made this. 😏🍿

    • @TheSleepyCraftsman
      @TheSleepyCraftsman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Seems like Apple is really going out of their way to prevent anyone from using broken machines for spare parts.

    • @user-cp4cj1nu9c
      @user-cp4cj1nu9c ปีที่แล้ว +6

      guess this is the most upgrade part on new MacBook Pro

  • @jupiter4264
    @jupiter4264 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Try upgrading an intel macbook to m1

    • @Me_karam8790
      @Me_karam8790 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There is nothing called intel macbook

    • @IronSquadz
      @IronSquadz วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Me_karam8790 2019 macbook pro has an intel core i7, hence the name "intel macbook"

    • @venomplayzs4674
      @venomplayzs4674 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Me_karam8790wudm actually there is alought of Intel Mac books

    • @Me_karam8790
      @Me_karam8790 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@venomplayzs4674 still there is nothing called intel MacBook yes it has a i9 but it is called a MacBook without intel

    • @yrmuq
      @yrmuq 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Me_karam8790 don't be so f stupid, he didn't say "intel MacBook" as a model name, he just said intel MacBook, meaning MacBook with Intel processor

  • @garycard1826
    @garycard1826 ปีที่แล้ว +346

    Luke, as an Electronics Engineer (who has performed many maintenance tasks and upgrades on computers over the years) I have to say, you’re crazy; but in a good way! Great video, I hope you get lots of hits for your considerable efforts.

    • @arifuddin2172
      @arifuddin2172 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep

    • @NicVandEmZ
      @NicVandEmZ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s track pad at fault here m2 trackpad is different than m1 trackpad keyboard is still same try this again and just swap the trackpad

    • @Qwerty8
      @Qwerty8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, because it’s not a new MacBook with m cpu - he opened old ones and no one saw it? How about the pro people around? 😂🎉🎉

    • @yaacheese8643
      @yaacheese8643 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How does an engineer go from theory of math, physics, circuits, electronics, signals, controls, communications, etc. To performing maintenance? Seems like you wasted to your 4 year degree.

  • @arctan2010
    @arctan2010 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    I see the problem: the case color doesn’t match making them incompatible!🤓

  • @LegoTechnicsRule
    @LegoTechnicsRule ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What were you expecting? It’s Apple.

  • @Megabean
    @Megabean ปีที่แล้ว +215

    I just imagined an alternative universe where Apple offered upgrades, like say you can get your M1 Macbook upgraded to M2 for 500$ but when they introduce major feature revisions you have to do the full upgrade. Because as it stands most people will keep their Mac through maybe 2-4 model iterations before upgrading. The old boards could be refurbished or put into repaired laptops. That could actually be a way to capture a bit of revenue from users who won't spend 1200$+ for the next version. It's a win win

    • @austin2150
      @austin2150 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Absolutely a good idea

    • @maharaj8460
      @maharaj8460 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Who cares, just stop buying apple products and buy company's which does offer upgrades

    • @Megabean
      @Megabean ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@maharaj8460 How about we not be fascists who tell other people what to do. ^_^

    • @Sharan25
      @Sharan25 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The ram is already soldered to board so why not allow to upgrade the cpu and the ram

    • @stever1514
      @stever1514 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Processor upgrades like that existed in the PowerPC era but they were never that profitable even for 3rd parties that offered them. A couple of companies went out of business and Sonnet just barely hung on.

  • @artisanwolf2068
    @artisanwolf2068 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's either a hardware lock or a power issue. The power consumption between the M1 and M2 chips are different so the batteries are going to be designed differently to handle the different loads. It would be interesting to see if that is actually the case

  • @blackwolfmclovin
    @blackwolfmclovin ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Maybe voltage and ampere of the battery are different. Or the capacitors are different. The M2 has a slightly higher watt consumption with consistent battery lifetime to the m1

  • @sanskarbiswal5234
    @sanskarbiswal5234 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One possible cause may be that the displays might need different firmware drivers and when you swap out the boards, it is likely that the boards detect an incorrect hardware conf for which it has no firmware and fails to boot

  • @game.different
    @game.different ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Can I swap my brain for an M2?

    • @samk4251
      @samk4251 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😭

    • @michawilke
      @michawilke 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Try it!

  • @renerebe
    @renerebe ปีที่แล้ว +19

    nice anti repair move Apple.

    • @yrmuq
      @yrmuq 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Anti modification mb?)

  • @dougienuggie
    @dougienuggie ปีที่แล้ว +117

    I feel like Luke has gotten much more comfortable with being on camera over the years. i see much more of his personality in this video than I would have seen in a video from three years ago. i love watching the channel grow :)

    • @halami2149
      @halami2149 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why because he cursed in the middle lol

  • @MarcusExplainsStuff
    @MarcusExplainsStuff ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This video was awesome. I loved the energy and genuine shock when the M2 board didn't boot. There are a few minor component differences and I am sure it was something with initial BIOS load validation or some such nonsense. Either way, extremely entertaining, cheers.

    • @samgod
      @samgod ปีที่แล้ว +1

      BIOS is specific to non-Apple Intel computers. Macs, including Intel Macs, have never used BIOS.

  • @CaspianYuichiro
    @CaspianYuichiro ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mutiple componets have their own ids, and i believe the massive amounts of differnt ids may have prevented it from booting too. (Display id, battery, etc.)

  • @morgan0
    @morgan0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i wonder if it’s possible to replace soldered on components in the last few intel macs with components that were offered, like switching from 4GB vram to 8GB, or a different gpu model that was used, etc. would it recognize it and work or are they hardwired to a particular configuration. and what about interface compatible but out of the offered range parts, like 16GB vram or a different cpu generation

  • @CED.Dweller
    @CED.Dweller ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The editing is getting stronger and stronger with each new video lately. Nice work,@Luke Miani!

  • @geekjit215
    @geekjit215 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Could it be the display's plug pinouts are different which somehow causes a short and prevents the machine to power on?

  • @maklogetrich2378
    @maklogetrich2378 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    when I see the title, I'm imagining a swap arm processor from M2 to M1 board, but yeah, just swap the logic board

  • @scogginsscoggins
    @scogginsscoggins หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Luke always has original ideas. Never boring.

  • @danandrei96
    @danandrei96 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    that's really weird. I haven't gotten my hands on any m2 machines yet but with the m1 you can get a bare logic board to boot with nothing but the charger plugged in (you can confirm it booted based on the current draw using a usb-c power meter). So you could've started disconnecting things from the board until it would boot. I agree it's most likely the keyboard/trackpad that was the issue, although I also wouldn't be surprised if they did something funny with the battery. Fantastic video and great idea overall, would love a follow-up where you try to find out the culprit

    • @ThatOneGuyGreggers
      @ThatOneGuyGreggers ปีที่แล้ว

      on iPhones they do tie the battery to the logic board with a battery serial number. if you don't go through an authorized apple repair you would loose the battery health monitoring features. Probably something similar.

    • @danandrei96
      @danandrei96 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ThatOneGuyGreggers thankfully so far I haven't seen any issues with battery replacement even on newer macbooks. my theory was more that they might've made some small unnecessary change to the battery and therefore given it a new part number, which the other board won't recognize and will therefore refuse to boot. Either way, I wouldn't be too surprised if it's just more Apple serialization BS as usual

    • @imdyinginside1919
      @imdyinginside1919 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ThatOneGuyGreggers u can program it but the message still on i think

  • @michaelbuck8884
    @michaelbuck8884 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    It’s confusing yes but at the same time it’s a simple answer. Apple made their boards to only work with the certain chasis. They did this on purpose just like their phones. This is another example of Apple not accepting right to repair.

    • @Jake-ix1od
      @Jake-ix1od ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I used to work at a UBreakiFix. Every damaged apple device we’ve received, during my presence at least; were brought in due owner neglect and/or the user consecutively depleting the battery to 0% between charge cycles. Withholding battery replacements, I think right to repair is becoming blown out of proportion, maybe even to a Marxist degree.
      I’ve made an iPhone 6s last for nearly 4 years without it needing repairs. I brought it to Apple for a battery replacement and the tech was shocked by its near mint condition, telling me “we don’t get devices like this.”
      BUT STILL, God forbid a little personal responsibility…

    • @dregenius
      @dregenius ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Right.... in the same way that Intel doesn't accept right to repair because they changed the socket on their 12th gen. I'm not saying Apple loves right to repair... but being able to swap major components from a significantly changed or revised version of a product, that happens to be in the same model line, into an older one is *not* an indication of such, it just isn't.

    • @Jake-ix1od
      @Jake-ix1od ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dregenius Socket types will evolve, for example; due to the differing GPIO layout of the next generation chip. And assuming, you're referring to desktop chips, those are typically user accessible. I don't think succeeding intel socket types are a good example of undermining right to repair.

    • @prayagsuthar9856
      @prayagsuthar9856 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Jake-ix1od Yay, a new perspective! 👏🏼 I still wish that they would at least let people do something as simple as _upgrading RAM/storage_ on a whole chonkin' laptop, but that's the limit. Hearing your statement, I do agree that sometimes Right to Repair is exaggerated by a lot of people, to the point that it's become a mere buzzword 😓

    • @Jake-ix1od
      @Jake-ix1od ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@prayagsuthar9856 Apple plays to their benefit here; Integrating everything reduces manufacturing costs and they'd rather get the money first hand for increased ram/storage.
      I don't think this approach is that unreasonable. 30 years ago, computers in general were atrociously more expensive when considering inflation. Despite those early computers typically being user upgradable and easily repairable, I don't think they usually reached a level of reliability or a useful life expectancy anywhere near that of what our modern computers can reach.
      Apple clearly isn't concerned with providing us the capability to increase the usefulness of their machines down the road. However I do think Apple is concerned with providing us long term reliability. That said; just because a computer is reliable doesn't mean it's useful, but at least it wasn't designed to fail.
      I'm willing to be wrong but that's how I think I understand this shit so far.

  • @cupcakke.wet.ch0chie
    @cupcakke.wet.ch0chie ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can also try to swap the charing port and battery because the charing ports voltages I think are different and the m2 battery is also different so try this

  • @scottstreet5796
    @scottstreet5796 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seems a long shot, but...is there a difference between the batteries that power management might be detecting?

  • @LKBRICKS1993
    @LKBRICKS1993 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Great video so interesting and fun to watch. I remember old laptops when you could replace almost everything.

    • @harshkalbhor4653
      @harshkalbhor4653 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      U can also do that now just not with apple things cuz u know

  • @DarylMartijnVanBeek
    @DarylMartijnVanBeek ปีที่แล้ว +42

    There is probably some additional hardware that prevents you from swapping it over, hardware lock/ hardware paring to the mother board so it doesn’t recognize all the connected components not letting it start up or PSU isnt compatible since the m2 takes more power

    • @Megabean
      @Megabean ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not 100% sure but I think it could either be what he said, their protocol for the upper case has changed thus the keyboard doesn't work or it could be that the Touch Bar which runs its own IOS fork could have some hardware DRM preventing it from being replaced. What I would try if I were Luke, pair an Apple keyboard to the Macbook then try to switch them, in theory, it should just turn on even if the Macbook keyboard doesn't work.

    • @RobStevens64
      @RobStevens64 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think the last one is the issue. The M2 requires a bit more power, and it could be the battery config or other related stuff just isn't delivering enough to the board.
      One thing Luke didn't try was getting the M1 to power up in the M2 chassis. That might have indicated if it were power delivery issues.

  • @IBaitman
    @IBaitman ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did you place the screws back in before booting? Cause some laptops use screws to complete the circuits in logic board.
    Also other companies make sure their logic board works only with the original chassis. How? idk. I could very easily find out if i had such devices to play around with and time. I completely love disassembling laptops much more than desktops. Great work.

  • @oberon2230
    @oberon2230 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The M series as well as iOS Devices are serialized, meaning there is a gatekeeper within the computer that is loaded with a random group of serials, if one is missing and a new one is installed, it won't work. Same as what happened to the iphone. it's Software related. There is a dedicated chip for this.

  • @BackpackandGear
    @BackpackandGear ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It looks like Apple has gone to tremendous lengths to make sure people can't just swap parts in these computers making people have to buy a new machine if a part fails or to have Apple fix it for a charge if out of warranty!

    • @imho4990
      @imho4990 ปีที่แล้ว

      Your problem is, you want the thief to have your hardware. Now it doesn't make sense to steal a Mac or iPhone. Even to replace parts and that is great news.

  • @TechTipsUSA
    @TechTipsUSA ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Next video: making a m2 12 inch MacBook!

  • @alexanderlozanov2271
    @alexanderlozanov2271 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I believe it will be more interesting to see and to try, if it's possible to upgrade the logic board from Intel to M1 or M2

  • @ruslanmalakhovskiy2113
    @ruslanmalakhovskiy2113 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's also a slight possibility that the pin configuration on the battery connector is a bit different, but I might be wrong

  • @markhigginson9897
    @markhigginson9897 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It may be that some of the connection points have different pin configurations from the M1 unit to the M2 unit. It would only need to take a few differences to prevent the M2 logic board from working in the M1 unit. Also additionally, the bios microcode might not allow such a change.

    • @japanquakeytp
      @japanquakeytp ปีที่แล้ว

      macs dont use bios, its the fact that its a different screen, trackpad, whatever assembly that stopped it. its called part out protection so no one, even if they have the mac, they cant steal your data.

  • @bmrpeal
    @bmrpeal ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You need to swipe the T2 chip, which stores the unique signature of the whole system in the "secure enclave", not the touch id button alone.

    • @johnlowellbejasa6510
      @johnlowellbejasa6510 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      there is no more T2 chips in Apple Silicon macs, the secure enclave is now built into the M2/M1 chip itself

  • @vijay058
    @vijay058 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi I own Mac book pro 13.
    I just a year old. Unfortunately mother board is not working Apple technician mentioned need to replace entire mother board. But he did mentioned data back up not possible.
    Is there any way for data back up?

  • @davidsmall1174
    @davidsmall1174 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What this could be useful for is when the M3 MBA13 comes out in October of this year but the 15 inch doesn't come out for another 1 months after that, then a M3 MBA 13 logic board swap into an existing M2 MBA 15 would be a real treat?

  • @rickyandika718
    @rickyandika718 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Would be more interesting if we could use 2018 chasis and screen on m1/m2. Would be a huge upgrade

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 ปีที่แล้ว

      it would more so be possible to do a m1 or m2 version to a 16 2019.

    • @matejaem
      @matejaem ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@3ijnweu3oq3 What would you do with the extra fans & ports?

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matejaem no clue but the screen, keyboard and trackpad would most likely work considering they have the same connector

    • @Cuber112
      @Cuber112 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sounds possible until you realize there's no replaceable escape key

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@mp3playerrr no source im pretty sure though, as i seen a 15 inch 2017 screen being connected to a 13 inch 2016 screen and it scaled just fine so theres a chance it could work

  • @jockosboy17
    @jockosboy17 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Isn't every component on a modern Mac serialized? My guess the board detected that the generations were not matching up.

  • @nodirbeksharipov458
    @nodirbeksharipov458 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    After reassembly, you need to try plugging the charger in. I did cleanup of my macbook and once reassembled, it didn’t boot up until the power cable is connected

    • @pizzel
      @pizzel ปีที่แล้ว

      had the same thought

  • @itstime1410
    @itstime1410 ปีที่แล้ว

    In iPhones and iPads you had to have the cables that ran under the boards, along with the home button to get the fingerprint I’d to work. So possibly a cable also?

  • @shellcode
    @shellcode ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I’m surprised it didn’t work considering that nearly the entire computer is on that logic board. Also if Apple were to offer an “upgrade” logic board it would still be very expensive since all of the core components are within that single board. It’s more like replacing the computer than “upgrading”.

  • @respect386
    @respect386 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Luke is so thorough, so much respect for the effort he puts into his videos!

  • @RederieJosh
    @RederieJosh ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s funny how Luke is being a little more sassy than ever 🤣

  • @zensonize
    @zensonize ปีที่แล้ว

    Random thought, i once remove my mbp logic board to repaste the cpu after assembly the device didn't boot up until I connected the power cable. I didn't see you connect power cable after doing logic board swap. Don't know is that the case?

  • @guilhermecervo3931
    @guilhermecervo3931 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ex-Genius here.
    1. The screw you removed from the heat sink we call it "super screw"
    2. The swap didn't work because you don't have access to System Configurator (not to be confused with Apple Configurator). System Configurator is only available through AST2 and must be run on all post 2018 macs that had the MLB replaced.

    • @lonnygallant827
      @lonnygallant827 ปีที่แล้ว

      No T2 chip on M1 or M2

    • @Wilbur-em1hw
      @Wilbur-em1hw ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait. So you are no longer a Genius. How does that work??. Like how do you go from Genius to dumb??

    • @guilhermecervo3931
      @guilhermecervo3931 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lonnygallant827 Thanks for the correction. I meant to say all post 2018 macs

    • @guilhermecervo3931
      @guilhermecervo3931 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Wilbur-em1hw Hahahahaha

    • @RedVRCC
      @RedVRCC หลายเดือนก่อน

      So this actually could have worked if it wasn't for Apple's dickheadery in allowing user upgradability?

  • @raduciopraga2752
    @raduciopraga2752 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm curious if you can add another 256 Gb module in the empty space and upgrade it to a 512 Gb. Would it be possible? maybe get it from another dead MacBook Pro.

    • @W1ldTangent
      @W1ldTangent ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Would run into the same problem various experimenters did with trying to swap the flash chip modules on the Mac Studio. Without reprogramming the controller itself with the parameters of the new storage layout, it will not function at all, or at best you'd still only be access the original amount of flash.

  • @jessixox
    @jessixox ปีที่แล้ว

    Fyi there could be a voltage difference between the circuits in the m2 chip that could require either less or more power. The total reason could be the supply of voltage going to the main power board causing a voltage miscommunication that interferes with initializing the new m2 board. In addition there would be several components that are not compatible with the board just like any other laptop. Yes it may be apple but they want you to buy a new laptop instead of fixing your broken or current one. Usually when the system boots it does a system check to see if any components are compromised then boots once validation is complete. But if you didnt here the fans spin on startup thats because there is a voltage issue.

  • @rxdmac
    @rxdmac ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Perhaps a iFix it tear down will answer your questions as too why the switch didn’t work!

    • @mau9175
      @mau9175 ปีที่แล้ว

      iFixt tried this and failed too

  • @casimir976
    @casimir976 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I always have this idea of swapping apple silicon internal into a prior gen MacBook Pro frame (specifically the 15”).
    I liked the design and I think it’s an irony that apple decided to drop the design (except the touch bar) when they finally have the hardware that can finally work in the thin tapered design.

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      most likely possible with the m1 with the 16 2019

    • @casimir976
      @casimir976 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Luke Miami and while we’re at it, could you maybe try this with the MBP 15”? 😅jk

    • @casimir976
      @casimir976 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@3ijnweu3oq3 only problem is 2021 16” deeper than the 2019, while the 2019 is wider than the 2021.

    • @3ijnweu3oq3
      @3ijnweu3oq3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@casimir976 most likely 16 inch would work, since the keyboard seems the same with the escape key, touch bar aswell, even the touch id cut out is the same only issue would the cable is too short so you cannot connect it without microsoldering and there is a chance the screen would work too

    • @FF9F00
      @FF9F00 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      2021 MacBook Pros are kind of ugly imo. But I think they're doing this on purpouse in order to make us buy a new laptop whenever they go back to the older, actually good design.

  • @HearMeLearn
    @HearMeLearn ปีที่แล้ว +3

    clearly the different screws are incompatible. Okay but actually maybe the SoCs check the other components connected to it, and if a certain one or maybe too many are different, it won't boot?

  • @hasanrahmanow7967
    @hasanrahmanow7967 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, last time I repasted my Macbook Pro 16 Intel, it didn't turn on either. I had to do a SMC/NVRAM reset to make it turn on. Don't know if it's the case for M1/M2 Macs.

  • @yagoa
    @yagoa ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting, checking some voltages on the board would have made this more informative :)

  • @DMonZ1988
    @DMonZ1988 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    @4:57 i don't think its a stupid experiment at all! it'd be nice if someone with a dead M1 could buy spare parts for an M2 down the line and effectively upgrade. or M2s with broken screens/bent chassis like some animals apparently manage to create, get transplanted into eventually less desirable M1s. so, lets see if its possible. do continue...

  • @qellman
    @qellman ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The "Power-up" problem could have been then Touch Bar, since the touch bar logic is an iPhone processor that also controls Security of the MacBook Pro. Not sure...

  • @DefactoRath
    @DefactoRath 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The problem is the serial number check on boot. Every single part has a serial number where is coded on the board. You can only change the component Serial numbers or a Apple Technician must be configuring in the Repair Tool Website from Apple.

  • @MrBaskins2010
    @MrBaskins2010 ปีที่แล้ว

    that motor roaring when you said shut up at 5mins in, perfecto.

  • @ucanthavemyname9802
    @ucanthavemyname9802 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There are a few parts I may guess could be the culprit: screen, battery, keyboard, trackpad, maybe even the WiFi connection via the cables. I recently swapped the motherboards of two old Dell laptops for fun and it refused to display an image because of the screen. The issue was I had to fully drain the CMOS battery and then it would boot. I have no doubt Apple found any way possible to lock down the MacBooks from being upgraded/repaired.

    • @japanquakeytp
      @japanquakeytp ปีที่แล้ว

      this isnt for apples gain, its called part out protection.

  • @LeeStewart
    @LeeStewart ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Finally a girlfriend appears from the cracks in the walls! The 'Luke Miani is probably gay' rumours are finally over. Love your videos Luke! 👍

  • @kantdiego
    @kantdiego ปีที่แล้ว

    The display connections likely. I had the beautiful surprise with MBP11,3 display with MBP11,5 board

  • @jroar123
    @jroar123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are there programs that will not run unless the computer is running the M1 or M2 processor?

  • @edborowski5950
    @edborowski5950 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Loved the video Luke! It felt different than the normal video out there and I really enjoyed it.

  • @ambhaiji
    @ambhaiji ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Please do the framework laptop upgrade just to show how easy it is possible for companies to actually make swappable boards.

  • @davidnotonstinnett
    @davidnotonstinnett ปีที่แล้ว

    Mac OS generally works by doing a scan for expected hardware and checking it can make system calls to it before continuing boot.
    I’m guessing Apple has made each config SUPER specific.
    This is as opposed to previous Apple hardware. My 2015 iMac is is composed on 95% the same hardware as my late 2014 iMac.
    My guess is that the parts on each upgrade for M series macs has, at the very least, slightly different hardware ids
    My question remains “can this be hacked around?”
    Here is my experience, again with the iMacs I own.
    You can swap displays on these things, and they are “backwards compatibles” for RAM modules and other things. The only trick is because of that system call test issue, you can hit boot issues.
    But if you add hardware IDs to opencore (the boat loader for older macs that allows you to boot newer versions of Mac OS, as long as the OS itself supports your hardware. Example, 2012 and earlier macs recently got bumped down because Mac OS removed support for a specific codec that the intel chips of that era and before need to boot properly (something to do with graphics) so those won’t run. Anything newer will run fine, as long as you have reasonable expectations for your hardware. My Late 2015 is kind of just on the edge of not running Ventura all that well. But good enough for me ymmv, but anything newer than that is going to work fine.)
    My question is, once hackers get access to M1 in the same level as they have intel Macs, could the ID numbers for relevant parts in the old Mac and if that would facilitate the upgrade. Given the priorities of Apple Software, it would. It surprise me at all if the old system check method was still the exact way the new Macs worked.

  • @thrallfaec6130
    @thrallfaec6130 ปีที่แล้ว

    I kinda wonder if the battery could be the problem (or one of them at least).I've worked on a few 2016 and 2017 MBP, both 13 and 15 inch and they were quite unhappy about not having a battery plugged in.Just a theory though.

  • @jefferygrantham5582
    @jefferygrantham5582 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Did you happen to try connecting the MacBooks to an external display to verify that there was no power and not just a simple case of no video signal to the displays?

    • @josselincol
      @josselincol ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You’d have clickable trackpad, starting noise, lit keyboard if that worked

    • @lukemiani
      @lukemiani  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I had it connected to apple configurator

  • @fyremoon
    @fyremoon ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You have to consider which devices are security locked. I know on iPhones, that means the camera is locked to the motherboard so swapping the camera stops features from working for security reasons, so if its the same in the MacBook, then changing the touch ID and motherboard won't work, you'd have to extract the camera module and swap them over too. A bit like those people that swapped their Mac Studio modules and wondered why the Studio wouldn't boot.

    • @TheThomasproctor
      @TheThomasproctor ปีที่แล้ว

      I can tell you right now it’s not for security reasons, it’s so apple stops you from replacing and repairing your own phone. Apple just loves serializing parts of the iPhone to stop independent repair. For that matter I’m 100% sure that apple made it so the device won’t boot because there is some identifier in the hardware saying it belongs to m1 (like diff voltages within the hardware or different pin outs) or some serialization denying the possibility of booting if the parts don’t quite match.

  • @fVNzO
    @fVNzO ปีที่แล้ว

    The only way forward here is to check one component at a time and see what's triggering the (more like untriggering) boot.

  • @m.liverpool5503
    @m.liverpool5503 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please, the external hard drive is Seagate 4 TB, can it work on the iPad Air 2 (iOS +13)
    Is it necessary to format the external hard drive on the Mac in order for it to work on the iPad Air 2 ???

  • @johnmeyer457
    @johnmeyer457 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Me suffering and worrying for fear of breaking the RAM clips in my dad’s 2011 ASUS and this guy opening and playing around with two laptops worth several thousands each 😂

  • @baconfister
    @baconfister ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Luke seems more animated than usual in this video. I can only come to the conclusion he was hitting his sponsor’s sauce before recording. 🍸

  • @rbc555erc
    @rbc555erc ปีที่แล้ว

    can you swap the screws between macbooks, aren't they hardware locked as well?

  • @j.j.5368
    @j.j.5368 ปีที่แล้ว

    Luke where do you get this musics? I love the way that you make your videos, so great!

  • @MooseBeCanadian
    @MooseBeCanadian ปีที่แล้ว +3

    No one, not a single soul
    Luke’s brain “I wonder if I can put an M2 chip in the M1 pro”

  • @miguelfvega9079
    @miguelfvega9079 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    M2 can consume 6W more than M1, maybe some other component checks the wattage of the logic board.

  • @AlphauraXIncNewYork
    @AlphauraXIncNewYork ปีที่แล้ว

    do not connect the lcd screen cable. Connect to an external monitor. display output pin is re-programmed, which could short one of the power rail.

  • @loudryka
    @loudryka ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if the pins to the battery ribbon cable have a different pin layout. May have the same number but just rearranged.

  • @magicmanchloe
    @magicmanchloe ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Try swapping the battery’s as well. Apple serialized the batteries in their phones. It probably won’t work without the proper battery. Test it by unplugging the battery and connecting power to see if it turns on.

  • @calculator2020
    @calculator2020 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For someone with a repair shop I think its a great video. Customers do usually have some crazy requests

  • @FlannelAficionado
    @FlannelAficionado ปีที่แล้ว

    I would almost entirely wager this is based on keyboard/trackpad if either of those are different. Signals for power on/power off can come from either of these and if pin outs on the connectors, or the signal voltages differ on those lines, or communication protocols are different, I would absolutely expect this sort of behavior.
    I LOVE these kind of expiriments. And even if it doesn't sound relevant now, I know in a year or so it might be, once the used market is a bit more saturated. I would be more likely to wonder if the opposite is true (M1 board in the M2 chassis).

  • @gamingsandbox5483
    @gamingsandbox5483 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why are you not plugging it in to power. Mine will never post without power adapter even though the battery is full. For the fist power on only, then the batt will work fine.

  • @Darthwriter
    @Darthwriter ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm honestly not sure why you thought this would work. I would assume Apple links most of the hardware at the most base level. Also, it is possible that there is just one little chip in the screen assembly or keyboard/trackpad or even the speakers that Apple somehow checks on boot or power and won't boot without "Seeing" said chip. But I appreciate your devotion to the attempt. Went above and beyond for sure.

    • @EvilTurkeySlices
      @EvilTurkeySlices ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because it worked with older MacBooks. You could put a 2012 MacBook Pro logic board into the 2011 model.

  • @TechTipsUSA
    @TechTipsUSA ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can you desolder a Mac m1 and put it in a iPad Pro?

    • @M.KH4N5
      @M.KH4N5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s a good question

    • @SappyJupiter37
      @SappyJupiter37 ปีที่แล้ว

      i doubt the m1 is removable without, like, a dremel and obviously its going to be non functional.

    • @aidenwright6066
      @aidenwright6066 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s a good question, although with a hot air station it could be possible, but even if you could get it off the max board and on to the iPad, I highly doubt it will boot, due to the processor being diffrent then what was in it and iOS not knowing what to do with the extra core and gpu core

    • @SPLSE
      @SPLSE ปีที่แล้ว

      Not a chance. Secure Enclave.

  • @untitled3923
    @untitled3923 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if it was really working but there was some kind of line of code that prevented it from booting from a different logic board

  • @alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2
    @alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just like the iPad or iPhone the touch if memory is different for each Mac or book,you’ll need both unique finger prints for it to work and don’t press when logging in and remember what fingerprints to use

  • @Evie0133
    @Evie0133 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Everyone else: M2 MBP IS BORING lol
    Luke: imma swap da boards baybee

  • @georgeh6856
    @georgeh6856 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    If it is a different interface on the keyboard and trackpad, you could try not plugging in the zif ribbon cables for the keyboard and trackpad. Assuming you can still plug in the power button/fingerprint reader, the computer should boot up without any keyboard and trackpad connected, although you obviously would not be able to login unless you plugged in a usb keyboard.
    Do not respond to impostors of this channel who reply here. They will take all of your money. Be careful.

  • @50ShadesOfBeige
    @50ShadesOfBeige ปีที่แล้ว

    could it be that you need the different coloured threadlocker on screws to defeat any optical scanning security modules?

  • @AbaseenPodcast
    @AbaseenPodcast ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to know if I can put an m1 pro or m1max logic board in my 2015 15" MBP ??? please please please!

  • @Squgglebum
    @Squgglebum ปีที่แล้ว +3

    After your expandable Macbook Studio experiment I was certain this wouldn’t work.
    I still watched buddy……thanks for your video and keep it up! 🙏

  • @turle8645
    @turle8645 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Swap individual components one at a time to see what is causing the issue

  • @StellarAudyssey
    @StellarAudyssey ปีที่แล้ว

    The BIOS would lock to a particular chassis, or it's a components mismatch that is preventing the start-up.

  • @jameysummers1577
    @jameysummers1577 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah...The gates love to come off of those zif connectors. I use a spudger like that, but I also put my finger over the gate so it doesn't pop off. When they pop off I hate soldering another on. Getting that gate back on is a pain in the ass.

  • @panzerfan
    @panzerfan ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The parts are all serialized to go with a specific Mac. You ain't getting around that unless if you are creating a repair on GSX, Luke. Good luck being an authorized service provider just so that you can create a repair on that one.

    • @prayhe
      @prayhe ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean yeah apple does this with the newer iPhones but where did you find out that this is the case here aswell?

  • @brianthreedee
    @brianthreedee ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really enjoyed this video, though subjectively pointless, it’s always cool to see if it’s possible! On a side note, I’d love to see the impact of installing a second SSD onto the M2 motherboard. Does Apple offer a configuration with the second SSD? If So, how does that compare in the performance areas? Thank you for the video, and it’s insights!

    • @ArielGonzalez1
      @ArielGonzalez1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Soldered ssd, so technically there is no "second ssd" and just more storage

    • @brianthreedee
      @brianthreedee ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ArielGonzalez1 So regardless of the storage configuration ordered for the M2 MBP 13”, it would still only be a single SSD soldered to the motherboard?

    • @flamingkillermc2806
      @flamingkillermc2806 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brianthreedee No 512gb or higher will have 2 chips not one. Only base model is 1 which is half the speed.

    • @brianthreedee
      @brianthreedee ปีที่แล้ว

      @@flamingkillermc2806 So then it would be interesting to see if any SSD performance difference between M1 1TB model and M2 1TB model. I would initially think performance on SDD level would match, but memory buffering might have impact.

    • @stoinks224
      @stoinks224 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brianthreedee he is idiot onlyone storage on bath only channel is two channel max and minimu 215 gb 1 channnel for transfer

  • @TheDloeblein21
    @TheDloeblein21 ปีที่แล้ว

    my guess it is now paired to the battery. did you try to turn them on without the battery plugged in to the logic board.

  • @Errcyco
    @Errcyco 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I baby my M1 MacBook Air so hard. The couple times it’s left my bedroom it’s been in a sleeve and I kept it in the passenger seat of my car lol. I’d never be able to take the bottom plate off unless it was broken and that was my only option… even then I’d probably be weary and do it in a room with zero dust/wind and spend like 8 hours doing it as delicate as possible.
    I don’t even have a smart TV anymore.. gave my nice Samsung 4K to my nieces, this MacBook is legit my home entertainment. Paired with my AirPods Pro 2 it’s seriously better than a TV anyways. If they made the 15” back in 2020 though, I’d have definitely bought that since I’m dang near legally blind wo my glasses on.
    This was neat to watch, we live vicariously through Luke on breakdowns 😂.