8 Bad Guys With a Good Point: Commenter Edition
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- Recently we realised that sometimes the bad guy has a good point. Judging by the TH-cam comments we're not the only ones; you folks have plenty more for the list of not-quite-so-bad guys, such as Handsome Jack of Borderlands 2 fame, Team Plasma of Pokemon Black and White, Mass Effect's Saren and Fallout: New Vegas' Caesar. Watch on for why and subscribe for weekly videos like this one: www.tinyurl.com/SubToOxbox
Take Handsome Jack of Borderlands 2 and Borderlands The Pre-Sequel fame, for example. According to several TH-cam commenters, he is yet another 'villain' who is judged unfairly.
Yes, he's a self-appointed dictator and yes, he wants you dead but he's got great hair and, according to commenter IrishPhoenix, a sound plan for making the planet of Pandora a better, bandit-free place.
See, he wants to seize control of a dragon lava monster for all the right reasons, which are ending Pandora's plague of greedy loot-seeking bandits and avenging the dead daughter that he had enslaved. He's a complicated man?
Which reviled videogame baddies do you think have an unfair rep? Let us know in the comments.
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Revolver Ocelot: "You will forget everything Hollywood taught you"
Also Revolver Ocelot : *twirls two revolvers for 5 minutes*
In fairness, that was before he forgot everything Hollywood taught him.
He learned from that. Even mocks a soldier who seems similar to him when young
Hollywood didn't teach that the old west taught that to Hollywood. They would twirl their pistols to pass time and practice tricks.
-"Who are you working for!?!?!"
-"You sir!"
-"Liar!!!!"
-What the fuck?!?!?!" (dies) XD
Johny Etwer à
i laughed when he said that
You guys forget, Pandora doesn't just have bandits. There are still... shall we say, SORTA, innocent people living there because of being imprisoned there by DAHL.
Well, the planet was a prison colony until the Vaults were discovered, and then it brought treasure hunters, bounty hunters, greedy corporations, war mongers, power-hungry monarch would-be's, etc.
Seems to me that Jack's intent to protect the planet from its inhabitants (with no mention of the extremely dangerous and wild creatures) to create an urban paradise doesn't really collude all that well.
I mean. They were guilty prisoners, so they can't really be sorta-innocent.
@@SyndicateOperative ...could their children maybe be innocent?
@@jamesnewcomer4939 They aren’t many children on Pandora.
@@aydinanuar8807 There might not be...and they certainly wouldn't be spending alot of time playing in the streets; but if you put men and women in isolated imprisonment I'm pretty sure there are going to be some children! Yours is a fair point, though.
Alt title: 8 Times the Ends Still Didn't Justify the Means
@Metsarebuff 22 Until you get a 'bad Caesar', or worse NO Caesar, and it all falls apart due to the squabbling of the power hungry subordinates that all want to be the NEXT Caesar!
What about the left ping pong paddle from the game "pong"?
????
1. That thing is not even alive, let alone evil
2. Because it's not alive, it doesn't have any thoughts, let alone "good points"
1.Jokes
2.Jokes
+Jinhunter Slay it wanted to end the eternal suffering that both paddles went through
nightmare gamer Yes! That's the kind of funny response I was waiting for!
HAHA! xD
Handsome Jack, THAT'S MY BOY!!!
issue with the legion, the second Caesar dies the legion collapses.
And he has a brain tumor, so...
Not if the courier takes over. Legion still might be fucked if Lanius does, though.
Is a 'brain tumor' what people call being beaten to death with a power fist, in post apocalyptia?
you are right about that how the minute Caesar dies the legion collapses, heck Shobbycast video NCR vs Legion - Who will ultimately win America? discuses how it would agree.
That is why I blew the head off Caesar can't have that he is way to privileged to get to keep his head
What about undertale's "Asgore"
"Asgore may have murdered 7 children but, he did it to save his kingdom."
plus he didn't actually murder any of them, none of them made it that far, they fell where their equipment is found
He was more of a Magneto figure.
Technically he could have killed only 1 child and then gone to the surface and take 6 more souls, instead of both waiting, and relying on hapless children to fall and succumb whilst his people suffer.
@@pineapplefrostyfruits9225 Did you forget what happened when Asriel tried that?
CyberBunny Studios because, as Asriel said, he r e f u s e d to fight back. He just let everyone hit blow after blow, instead of letting Chara murder everything
I can't believe nobody mentioned the Helghast from the Killzone series. Sure they dress like space Nazis but if you think about it all they want is to get their homeplanet Vekta back. I mean the ISA banished them to a planet that didn't even have a breathable atmosphere, for pretty much no reason.
i love Handsome Jack
me too hes awesome and who is your favorite vault hunter
+Mikey Fossett I LIKE KREIG
+Ninja Ruler10110100010 (Ninjastash) who? im talking about borderlands 1 and 2
+John Aleman ohh ok sorry im a derp
+Mikey Fossett I love 0
Did anybody else get the sense that they actually disagreed with most of the entries in this video? I felt like they were going to end it by going, "hey, just kidding, who are all the idiots that recommended these monsters?"
It's not that the people in the video were right, it's that they had a point. Handsome Jack was right in that pandora was filled with horrible raiders, but was wrong in that he also caught the innocents on the planet in his dragnet and exploited otherwise decent people then tried to kill them. Caesar's Legion provides short term stability at the cost of long term oppression and ultimately dissolution into much of the same but with even less hope for the future. The guy who made the time lifeboat was only wrong because he went insane by things beyond his control and would otherwise have been the hero honestly. The ones in Hydrophobia... well there only point is that overpopulation is a problem. Oootherwise, yeah, not much of a point. Saren doesn't have a point, and when you convince him of that, eats his gun. Kreia only has a point from a position of gravely misunderstanding the force. N's point is, well, honestly pretty good in many situations.
@@jonathanschloemer6846
I agree with most of your compelling statement other than the force one.
I do feel that she was correct. The force is power and power corrupts.
Those who found it originally could have not brought it in. And people wouldn't have gotten power greedy or used it for selfish purpose. To end the force is to end is powerful corruption.
@@RoughtallguyDM power doesn’t corrupt, it reveals. people have character flaws, so when people have the power to do the shitty things they’ve wanted to do, they do the shitty things they’ve wanted to do.
Also, being proficient in the force is a power, but comparing it to the power that phrase usually refers to, that of a monarch or ruling body, is like comparing physical strength to authority.
@@RoughtallguyDM but once again they were alwazy like that the only different is they will look for it in a different way. the force is like a gun it just tool. what that tool is used on is base of the person. u can not blame a object for action someone did
Considering Saren was indoctrinated, I'm not so sure I agree since it wasn't his idea....
Yeah, even if that was Saren's unindoctrinated belief, all three games prove how ineffective his "let them rule us" strategy would be. The Reapers simply want to turn humans into Husks - maybe create a giant human reaper out of dead humans as well, so the ultimate choice boils down to fight, or be turned into a zombie or sludge. There is no situation where the Reapers would just leave us be if we chose to accept them as leaders - because they don't want to lead, they want to harvest (hence their name)
Handsome Jack has no business being on this list. years before he'd ever even heard of Pandora he was planning on abusing his daughters Siren abilities for his own personal benefit. Hell, he even killed his wife, her mother, shortly after Angel was born because she knew he only saw her as a tool. he's just a straight-up dick bag, now and forever
actually, outside of Paul Serene being jackass in order to fix time, I don't think any of these people belong on this list. I think people are just trying to list off their favorite bad guys
+COD man Out pokemon?
+Silvio Grijalva hypocritical. you capture Pokemon to fight with in order to free Pokemon that other people capture to fight with. that's like a vegetarian saying that meat is murder, but fish is OK
Nah, the legion belongs on this list. Who says crucifixion is so bad?
Pay attention to Tone of voice ans body language. #sarcasm
Tbh pretty much all the factions in Fallout: New Vegas could be bad guys
Not the followers
All factions in all Fallout games are either bad guys or hopelessly useless.
It really jars how much they force the evilness of the Institute in FO4 when supposedly you're in control of them. And the fact you don't even get a chance to TRY and negotiate peace is just stupid. All you'd need to do is take Nick with you to the Institute and they'd realize how stupid they are. "War never changes - so stop trying to change it!" - Bethesda, flipping a table.
+chiffmonkey Because to survive in the wastes you can't be morally pure. If a faction was completely good and honorable then they would get obliterated or eventually sucumb to less morally pure motives. Most factions that survive are morally grey
+jake michalak Not the true Minutemen Ending where the only faction that ends is the Institute whom are either really stupid or just plain evil.
They created the Super Mutants, switched out actual people with robots and then kill them, they wiped out an entire settlement just to get something, and they created a sentient race who they oppress and keep as slaves. There is nothing morally grey about the Institute and what they do.
Raul convinced me to play the Ceasars Legion questline.
"I'm slipping away into pain and rage."
Same.
Big Boss from mgs
That woman antagonist from killzone: shadowfall
How about a list of games where the supposed main villain is actually a minor villain compared to the real main villain? Examples include the Psycho from Until Dawn, Robert de Sable from Assassin's Creed, and Vaas from Far Cry 3, who takes up the entire box art, but gets killed halfway through the game.
Ya and the dude from advanced warfare
zant in legend of zelda twilight princess
I think Vaas as a subsidiary villain was a major flaw in Far Cry 3's story. Halfway through the game you'd thought you'd done everything, then it turned out things were double as bad after all and you had to start from hardly anything.
there's also Vaas from Far Cry 3 but he was the best villain in that game. you barely get to know Hoyt. he was a bore
I already mentioned Vaas
The illusive man had a better point than Saren imo
Sarah DiPasquale
Saren= we should be slaves not dead
TIM= we should control the reapers instead of destroying them or bringing about an end to all synthetic/organic conflict
Cough cough indoctrination theory cough
Both were endoctrinated. But the illusive man on ME2 was not. He was just a fu--ing xenophobe.
"Is secretly a Darth" e -e You mean "secretly a Sith"?
"Darth" is a title given to Sith lords, not the actual name of the... oh never mind.
She'd still be secretly a Darth. I'm star wars theyve said "hes a darth" or similar
@@dakotablount251 no, obi wan called vader darth. Darth is a title given to some Sith which can choose to reject it or take It. So while he isnt wrong in called her specifically darth not every Sith has that title.
Every darth is a sith but not every sith is a darth
Julius Little from Saints Row. I mean, considering the protagonist is a dangerous psychopath, you can't really blame him.
Campbell - Julius was a fool taking down the saints left a power vacuum that worse gangs and corrupt officials were happy to fill plus he betrayed everything he stood for.
What did he expect the cops would get there act together the people would less psycho yes the people of Stilwater are crazy if played the activities
So I see why they reuploaded this. The N segment was from a fan made video or something similar using the ORAS or XY engine. They got the footage from the real game now. Oops.
Still a great video guys.
I wondered why that scene with N looked so strange. I was like "I never saw this in the base game, did I miss something?".
thats why i was confused. I specificlly remember that black and white is still top down view
OMG how did I not notice that, also coolest thing ever to see N in the XY engine.
Yeah, I'd ended up asking someone what that footage was. I think someone made a really good fangame? XD
I do think the intro music for N they used is still from the fan remake, though...? I don't recognize it at all, and it's not the sort of instrumentation you'd find in BW/BW2.
Yeah I still think the music is a bit jarring. However, I don't know I haven't played Black or White for quite some time and mostly played that game during my commutes so turned the sound off.
"Pokémons"... POKÉMONS
I hope you understand that I am now forced to dislike, unsubscribe, and kill something cute in a fit of uncontrolled fan rage.
I read this in their British accent for some reason
arthur staal it's the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo right?
I haven't played any Metal Gear game btw xD
Pokemans
I also read it with their accent, specifically in Mike's voice
#spreadllo
"The ancient all powerful reapers are definitely going to return and pwn all sentient life."
Maybe I'm just overtired, but I can't stop laughing at the word choice and delivery of that line. I'm having trouble breathing here. Send help.
N wasn't evil he can talk to Pokemon and plasmas real leader tricks him by bring him Pokemon hurt by humans in order to trick him
Alpha Cat77 Ghetsis was also planning on destroying his son as soon as he defeated the Player Character, after he'd used his powers and influence to free all Pokémon not belonging to Team Plasma. That way, they could control the rest of the Unova region with little to no resistance.
Don't believe me? Just take a good long look at Ghetsis' team. Not only is it built for destruction and pain, but it's tailor-made to mop the floor with N's squad.
Caesar's Legion.
Because they keep their caravans safe.
**facepalm**
Agreed. You're *never* safe when you're with the Legion. You don't have to worry about regular raiders. Just the ones cosplaying as Romans.
The biggest thing with Handsome Jack was that he was completely betrayed by the vault hunters in TPS for no reason. At the start of the game, he's actually willing to sacrifice himself for you. By the end, Lilith, Moxxi, and the others decide that he doesn't get to live for whatever reason, and turn against him.
If you watch Jack from the start of TPS and listen to his audio tapes across TPS, 2, and 3, Jack's been on a slide towards evil since Angel got her powers and her mother died, He locks up his kid in the machine because he's scared of her, but uses her abilities for his own gain (child abuse). He takes the step into killing too easily when dealing with the Merriff. Then there's the scientists on the station who he's convinced are plotting against him and who he kills brutally in front of you. That's the point when Lilith, Moxxi, etc turn on him.
I remember honestly feeling sorry for N, his whole life he only had fu****g ghetsis
This felt like a video where they just made fun of all of the comments' suggestions (Except Paul Serene)
What, no Ganondorf?
He does what he does because Hyrule banished his people to the desert, and never supplied to them what his people needed.
They steal because they have to.
And whenever he tries to revive his race,
HE appears.
Link is not a hero.
Every hero is the villain of another story
You're half right. Especially in wind waker. Gannon just wants to break free from the gods, he was tired of him and his people's fate being controlled by them. In reality, link and Gannondorf are both just pawns. Link just wants to protect the people, Gannondorf still wants to rule with an Iron fist. The people shouldn't suffer because of the Kings choices, so in a sense Gannon is still a bad guy for going mad with power.
+steven saunders he doesn't go mad with power, in wind waker he seems to have realized were his power actually came from and doesn't use it in the final fight because of that
+nightmare gamer I meant in ocarina of time, after he got his hands on the triforce of power, he killed many people trying to find the other 2. even after he gained control of hyrule, he left his people behind.
I commented for the Illusive Man and gave good reasons, it even had a good amount of likes on, why Saren and not The Illusive Man?
Because they're basically the same character. Saren came first, so he makes more sense.
chiffmonkey They were very different people with very different goals. And besides The Illusive man was much more interesting.
+chiffmonkey I think they should have done both. Sice they did all Metal Gear antagonists, it would be fair to do Saren and TIM.
I totally agree and he even had a better cause for every thing.
deathscream126 striker The betterment of humanity, as opposed to Saren's "let's all be enslaved by evil godlike machines, but hey at least we'll be alive".
You know, N from Team plasma reminds me of the puritans. Because he wants to liberate all pokemon from their pokeballs while at the same time using pokemon against their will. Let me explain. In the 1600s the puritans came to shore and the colonies to escape religious persecution, only to persecute others for not believing in their religion. The hypocrisy really is strong here.
Miles LeBlanc like I commented. Team Plasma. Had a point, still wrong.
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except Team Plasma doesn't really have a point, N has a point, but once you defeat him Ghetsis reveals that the only reason they wanted to liberate Pokemon was so that him and the rest of the Team Plasma admins could be the only ones with Pokemon
Does he use them against their will though? The rest of team plasma does, but would Ns pokemon fight out of their own volition? I don't think that is ever discussed.
Dude, he literally goes "Hey Pokemon from the surrounding area, do you feel like fighting for me for a bit? Yeah great, let's do that and then you can go home." Edit: He doesn't even use Pokeballs lore wise, since he considers them evil and shit...
Kreia hates the force, because she is the manipulator and hates being manipulated, but I can't deny she's a great character and some of the lessons she teaches you are good lessons.
"WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR?!"
"YOU, SIR!"
"LIAR!"
"WHAT THE FU-!"
Don't know why, but I laughed my ass off.
wait that Paul serene looks a LOT like littlefinger from GoT...
It's the case of a character being based on their actor. Like how Kevin Spacey was his character in Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare, or Nathan Fillion was his character in Halo 3: ODST, and Halo 5: Guardians.
+Steven Jessop It was a joke man
*is dumb* Welp. I'm going to douse myself in kerosene and burn up in the hemisphere.
Iain Glen is just the perfect villain typecats
+Steven Jessop *cast
I know I'm late, but Master Xehanort is another villain who should be added to the list. He wants to balance out light and darkness because if one side gets too much control it'll lead all worlds to ruin.
I'm surprised you guys took my suggestion. Thanks. I loved KOTOR II, and Kreia's reasons for hating The Force itself were pretty convincing. Also, she had a lot of good arguments for many things in the game.
Team Plasma was being controlled by Ghetsis who only wanted to conquer the world by being the last man with Pokemon which he would have done easely since Pokemon routinely kill or kidnap people. Did you ever read the Pokedex entries to some of those guys? Having Pokemon is humanity only defense against all the other Pokemons that wanna kill them!
Handsome Jack would have killed anyone who did not obey all his whims, not just the raiders. Caesar Legion, Hydrophobia, Saren are just straight up jokes, they are as villainous as it gets and justify their actions with obvious bullshit (Saren will outright kill himself when he realize that). Metal Gear Antagonists sometimes have righteous goals but always have absolutely horrible means of achieving these goals that make it not worth it at all.
Kreia is the only one I can agree with, she was manipulative but she was also 100% correct, the Force is the cause of almost every war or violent death in the Star Wars universe, they'd be much better off without it.
Josh from Until Dawn. Maybe he doesn't have a good point in what he's doing, but he is justified by his disease. MatPat from Game Theory did a video on how the doctors have gotten Josh's diagnosis wrong; how he has schizophrenia, not depression. As such, the drugs he's taking to calm the disease is increasing his serotonin levels rather than decreasing his dopamine, which is the real problem. He's also the only playable character who can't kill another character directly and also is unable to survive. If you don't find enough clues, he gets killed by the wendigo of his sister, but if you do, they recognize each other and she feeds him human flesh, turning him into a wendigo himself. And the only thing to really even make him a villain in the first place is taking a prank too far - something the playable characters did in the opening scene that resulted in the deaths of his sisters. I feel a little prank back, though maybe not to the extreme he goes to, is well-deserved.
1. It's spelled 'no', not 'know'. 2. The sister that turned into the Wendigo was OBSESSED, like, unhealthily obsessed with one of the boys in the group. Being tricked into thinking that she's gonna have sex with her Senpai, only to be embarrassed by the rest of the group? I'd probably run out too. 3. Her family had had that cabin for *years* and probably never had to deal with dangerous animals before.
It's kinda hard not to run out when you have just been betrayed by everyone you thought you could call friends. They took your feelings and used them as play things, which is something that no one should ever do, regardless of the purpose. It is kind of their fault because they should've seen that coming. "Our friend has an unhealthy obsession with one of us, let's take advantage of it and be complete dickbags!" Also I wouldn't say she didn't trust anyone. She was so close to going back to the cabin with her sister. None of the friends had any contact with the curse until after they went back to the cabin for the second time. This also means that they did *not* recover Josh's sister's bodies and no one knew about it until the first time that they were attacked by a Wendigo. This also means that no one knew how they died or if both of them were dead. Josh went back to the cabin of his own volition and so did the group of friends. Granted, they could've said no, but they didn't for two reasons: 1, they didn't know that Josh was gonna do what he did. 2, most of them wanted to be there for him because the incident affected him the most.
"Josh went back to the cabin of his own volition and so did the group of friends. Granted, they could've said no, but they didn't for two reasons: 1, they didn't know that Josh was gonna do what he did. 2, most of them wanted to be there for him because the incident affected him the most," is what I said in my previous reply.
Darkwing_Gaming He's not a villain in the game, the writers never made him one. He never had a point either. He had more than just schizophrenia and he most likely never had it to begin with. He most likely has symptoms of schizophrenia due to addiction to dopamine supplements but is just insane due to mental trauma and possible pre-existing disorders. Matt gets quite a lot of things wrong, he's not a trustworthy source, his channel is for fun and for financial gain (for himself). The only reason you should possibly watch him is for entertainment, not for education. You should do actual research on your own for that.
I FUCKIN KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's also Autumn from Fallout 3. Despite wanting to kill you and Eden exterminating the Capital Wasteland, he wants to unify the wasteland under the stable Enclave, a force that can easily maintain order.
Both of you are equally good presenters. That makes you more than deserving of your success. Two likable people who are not overdoing it is all we're really after I think, thanks for providing it.
Im noticing a shitload of people who think a person is right if they think they can guarantee long term safety at the cost of some pretty damn valuable ideals and or rights..............
These people are wrong.
um, that's why they are the villains
It says "have a point" and not are good to be fair.
I'm sorry, but No. No amount of good intention can ever redeem Handsome Jack. He was an absolute monster who enslaved his own daughter and experimented on her, Experimented on other random civvies, Blackmailed, Bribed or Murdered anyone who got in his way, and just murdered people for the fuck of it. Even if some of that shit was necessary for the Good of mankind, He still took it waaaay too far.
Marvellous Chester he had already went insane by that point
Jack was a dick for what he did to Angel, yes, but also the fact (when digging deeper) he thought that kind of thing was normal and average and "Gram Gram killed my cat for me not making my bed, yknow normal stuff". Angel literally killed her Mother. If Jack was the complete monster, he would have destroyed her. But instead he literally locks her away, not in fear that she will just kill more people because she doesnt have her powers down, but also the worry that seeing someone die when shes old enough to remember it will traumatise her and make her more like him.
Shitty way around it, somewhat decent intentions. Like 20 therapy sessions with someone he'll listen to and the guy would be fine.
Also, I like to put it this way:
How much has Handsome Jack done that Lilith hasnt also done?
Or are we ignoring the fact she ordered the Crimson Raiders to shoot the fuck out of Athena when she'd already given them everything Lilith asked for, and was completely defenseless, because Lilith didnt like that she wasnt seen as perfect and godly in a recounting of the story?
The way I see it, if you can praise Lilith you should praise Jack, or if you hate Jack then do the same with Lilith. The only difference between them is the story (and you) are skewed to one side.
OMG thank you so much for putting team plasma I commented a lot about them
I could listen to Serene grunting and sighing all day long, hoo boy.
So did anyone else realize how hypocritical Team Plasma is being for wanting to free the Pokémon yet their leader has his own set of Pokémon trapped in their poke balls just so they can do his bidding in a battle?
Plus even their publically stated goal was rock stupid.
It is odd, but he wouldn't get anywhere close to his goal without Pokemon so it's a necessary evil.
The sequel games clarified that a bit. It's important to realize that the leadership was just manipulating N, they wanted everyone else to give up pokémon because that makes it much easier to conquer them.
On the flip side, when talking to pokémon, N reveals that some of them sincerely enjoy living, working, and even battling alongside humans. The ones that fight instead of just living as pets or utilities view it kinda like the relationship between a coach/trainer and a boxer.
dizzyizzylizzie lol ik
Oh on I get it. For anyone wondering, I believe this was re-uploaded because of the footage used for the submission of N. The first video had footage from what appears to be a fan-made game as N has never had a 3d model. In this video, they have correctly inserted footage from Pokemon Black, White, Black 2 and White 2, most likely for copyright reasons.
the last one, the marine solider's voice XD
Wheatley was a good one. He only tried to help you at first until he just got corrupted by power.
Kai-sar? Alright.
+Jelly Jeffrey That's how he pronounces it in the game, and I guess he should know?
That's actually how the Romans would have pronounced it
It's the correct Latin pronunciation of the name. Just because we've collectively pronounced it wrong for years doesn't mean we're right.
And that's how the Romans would have pronounced it. There are no soft Cs in non-ecclesiastical Latin.
+outsidexbox You let it sound like the German word for emperor
about fallout new vegas comment , i agree that raiders will not kill caravans , but caravans would be killed or assimilated as slaves by the legion. Which is not much of a difference
Except that didn't happen. Caravans enjoyed freedom to travel through Legion territory, so long as they obeyed the Legion's laws.
Until the legion takes all the territory they want and has no need for trade with external factions because there are no more external factions
Tyler Durden What? Does trade not exist domestically? That's news to me.
At that point it can be done by people in the legion or slaves, no need to pay outsiders whose settlements would have been subsumed into the legion anyway
Tyler Durden So do citizens in Legion Territory just give everything away for free, is there no commerce?
"If he's going to use a shotgun that's going to take forever" . . .not if they scooch together
Solidus from MGS2 had the best point. All he wanted to do was destroy the PATRIOTS, which is what you end up doing anyway as the hero in MGS4.
I like how several of these involve genocide. Good job, keep it up internet.
OXBox are you sad for me
I'm sad for you. Life's never been the same since you passed tbh
That's racist!
+noobmaster117 shhhhh
#dicksoutforHarambe
Niall487 I was paraphrasing Reaper.
that was always my favourite part of borderlands 2, jack shooting roland, any other game there would be some maniacal laughter or long winded intro some speech about how he is going to take your friend from you before he does it but not jacky boy BANG "Sup"
The Riddler in Arkham Origins. Not only is he solving corruption in a non violent fashion but you could argue his actions had a much longer impact as they enabled the promotion of Jim Gordon to Commissioner.
Pokémon: Black & White had the best story of any main series game, quote me. It's characters were actually complex & were more than one-dimensional tropes. It's the best story.
It was told the best, but I was stymied by how everything centered around Plasma, who I found utterly uninteresting. Galactic was an amazing team who had a point and a decent rationale and I wanted to stop them so bad but I also wanted the option to sit Cyrus down and talk to him because as crazed and far gone as he was he still had a valid and understandable point about the world.
BJGvideos But N was such a complex character. He truly loved pokemon, and they loved him. He truly believed that what he was doing was right; that he was delivering justice and retribution. He truly was thinking about his friends.
+TheRealPearl Well yeah, but he had also been specifically raised to believe very specific things. His entire upbringing was carefully plotted (although he honestly should have been able to remember what the pokemon in the forest said, unless they had also been planted there by Ghetsis since let's be honest there's simply no way he just happened to come across N one day. He knew that kid was there and probably put him there himself).
N formed a worldview based entirely on a massive lie, and was the perfect pawn. He doesn't even belong on this list simply on the basis that he's not a bad guy. I mean your first gen rival is a bigger bad guy than him and he's just a kid being a kid.
BJGvideos He was raised by pokemon before Ghetsis adopted him, so he already had a strong love for them, thinking of them as family. Ghetsis manipulated that love for his own personal agenda. N thought he was in the right, but realized that people and pokemon need each other. He actually had character development.
+TheRealPearl I know he had character development. I like him as a character but the idea that he had a point or that what he was raised to believe was true is kinda...off. I know it's what Masuda wants us to ponder but it contradicts everything else we know.
Alex Mercer had a good point
Saren is my favourite villian of all time, especially after reading the Mass Effect Revelations Novel and seeing what happens to his brother in the Illusive Man Comics.
10:27-10:37 That whole scene was pure freaking gold! XD
Why not the Institute from Fallout 4? Sure, they can be horrible and wipe out entire settlements, but they do really just want to create a safe haven for humans when the world above ground is destroyed yet again. And besides, they tried to work with the surface before, but the surface was the one who made the pact end horribly due to unneeded mistrust.
Also they didn't trust the institute because of the incident in Diamond City where a synth went haywire and killed several people...
Yes. They killed the leadership because they were plotting against the institute. It is just mistrust breeding more mistrust breeding more mistrust.
Well, if they stop fucking around with synths it might be okay. If people today aren't really ready for artificial intelligence, then people in the wasteland aren't either.
That's the thing, though, the Diamond City incident is after the the Institute pact with the Commonwealth ended.
#spreadllo
no.....N is a hypocrite.
. Want to liberate pokemon from pokeballs
. Uses pokeballs himself
only as a means to an end, im pretty sure he says he doesnt like putting them in there
+kurosakikun96
I find irony in that.
well really the only way he was going to change anything was to become the top trainer in the region, so obviously he was forced to obey Pokémon League rules, I get that in a way it sounds ironic, but changing the system from within isnt exactly the most alien concept, plus of course he had Ghestis manipulating him the entire time, N may have been the "King" of Team Plasma, but Ghestis was the one calling the shots
I guess you could say he " wanted to use war as a business, to end war as a business." (a reference to Senator Armstrong who was also on the list.)
Jinhunter Slay if you watch the memory links in b2w2 he tends to release his pokemon and thanks them for their work and then tells them to go reunite with their family
he even admits in that one(i think) that he dislikes having to have them in the pokeballs.
I'm happy, MGS and Fallout got mentions. :D
Now I think about it 343 guilty spark from halo had a point in activating the rings to stop all the flood
Why was this re-uploaded? Did I miss something o_O
Yeah?
They are different bad guys taken from comments on the previous video.
+Harkler No this video was up yesterday,but seems to of been re done
+CKG Canucksgamer Pokemon Black and White was someone's 3D made one not the actual game
I watched the original and the scenes used to illustrate Team Plasma are definitely different, so, maybe a copyright claim by Nintendo?
Reposting my original comment on the original video
New idea for next top 8:
Games SO broken/buggy, we cant help but play them just for teh lulz!
#1 - 8 = Big Rigs
Goat simulator
skate 3
+Bosch Live They purposely made the game ridiculously buggy for laughs
ride to hell:retribution
About the legion: while I get your point, the legions stability is only temporary, as it will likely collapse after ceaser dies.
outsidexbox is the only channel that video links on screen works on for me on mobile
Re upload!!?
"Avenge his daughter?"
Handsome Jack fans are so stupid
His daughter, whom he locked away in a mountain prison cell and blamed her for his wife's death
He's nuts, obviously. But he was pretty right about the bandit thing.. Just played it a bit fast and loose with who was a bandit..
He's a psychopath, but he had a good point. His solution was a little EVIL. Angel did kill his wife, but it was on accident.
@@guestguy139 "but it was on accident?" Like that excuses him mind fucking and torturing her for over 10 years
You don't blame your child for events they had no control over, and he pledged he wanted to rid Pandora of bandits when he was a bandit himself even before the events of the pre sequel (people say Lilith was the reason why he went mad, but listen to the audio logs scattered around Pandora and find that was a sociopathic douchebag long before then)
@@deathbykonami5487 wait, so was there real evidence of him being evil before presequel events,,?
@@unculturedswine5583 let's see, he manipulated the vault hunters into opening the first vault cause he knew the destroyer was in it and he knew that vault was tied to eridium
He locked his young daughter in a mountain bunker, practically tied to a damn electric chair that he could get a little jolt when she didn't do what she was told, so yeah there was evidence he was evil before the first game
Actually, if you just take over the Vegas strip yourself you don't have to worry about any of the factions and you can just run the wasteland how you want it.
9:27: That guy looks like some demented cross between KEvin Spacey and Littlefinger
No Andrew Ryan from Bioshock? Fontaine/Atlas would also work.
Did Fontaine really have a good point? As far as I know he was just a butthurt smuggler.
Jack is a villian? No! He is a God. Damn. Hero.
And you’re all no better than filthy bandits
@@3kn7kradonk70 obviously you never played the presequel if you believe that 😂😂😂
Awesome video.
I wish you guys put in the scene when senator Armstrong start ranting about his dream
WHERE IS ANDREW Ryan?
I'm sorry, WHAT?! I just paused before they were about to say that Caesar's Legion from Fallout: New Vegas had a POINT to enslaving people, crucifixion, and just being bad.
WHAT THE HECK INSIDE XBOX? WHAT THE HECK?!
Whoops. I meant Outside Xbox
Yeah but you are kinda a sjw
They do have several pros though. Their territory is almost free of the dangers of raiders, their political system not tainted by corruption, strong military force to protect its borders, etc. Their methods are barbaric, but they do get results.
Ok, they do have a FEW good points, but the good does not outweigh the bad here. Ok, they push back the raiders, but aren't they themselves a different kind of raider? And yes, they're more structurally sound, but only because they take in who will join, and kill off or enslave those who won't.
Aidan Lappin How is that contradictory to my point?
ScienceCraft Raiders usually engage in robbery, chem dealing, and wanton violence.
Meanwhile, the Legion protects its citizens and visitors from robbery, forbids the use of chems within the territory, and frequently has a legitimate reason for military action.
Best character of all time baby!
Just saying you can choose to be calm when they show Paul serene freaking out
Saren's point was not good. The Collectors prove this.
Andrew Gorham well, it wasn't a good point, but it wasn't a bad one.
Technically he had no way of knowing what would happen, since not many people knew about the Collectors in the first place, so while in the end he would've dolmed us all, his thinking was kind of right. He was just another tricked pawn in the... hands?... of the Reapers
I kind of think the person who put #7 on the list is a idiot as it is pointed out in Lonesome Road DLC that the legion will die after it has no one to fight and it already has a government structure that will collapse over time. While it might bring safety in the short tun it is actually from stable and they like the Roman Empire did not bother to get the groups it concurred to assimilate thus leading to more anarchy then independence would.
Ramon Solano from mercenaries, sure he tried to kill you but all he wanted was to stop the abuse of his people.
I actually played this quantum break mission the day before watching this video
Loghain from Dragon Age Origins. Sure, he chickened out of a fight that left the king and all of the grey wardens in thedas (with the exception of the warden and Alistair) to die to an army of demons and monsters. But, he did it because he genuinely believed the army he led would perish too, and wanted to save them by falling back. It was cowardly but it may have saved a huge number of lives. It's the reason I always let Alistair kill him at the landsmeet. I can see why he did what he did so I can't bring myself to kill him but what he did was very personal to Alistair. As happy go lucky and sweet as he is he harboured so much pain and anger towards loghain for what he did, so I can never really deprive him of his revenge, especially when it means he'd leave my party and become a drunk. That's too sad. I like him too much to see that happen to him! So yeah, Loghain is a villain in the eyes of most players and in Alistair but he wasn't evil for the sake of it. He kinda had a point.
I agree Loghain should have been on his list. If it were not for him unifying the empire (by using the Grey wardens as cannon fodder) there would not have been a "unified" Fereldon (at least from the human side) by the time the warden got his army together. He knew how to lead and if the king had listened you probably would not have had to go on the long quest to get a bunch of armies together.
Nope. Loghain did it to steal the throne. Flemeth says as much, and if you've read the novels you know Flemeth is virtually omniscient. She's not just speaking from opinion. In fact, everything in the original game pointed to Loghain as pure evil. But David Gaider, DAO's main writer, has the moral compass of Caligula. He thought Loghain was a moral gray area. When fans treated Loghain as they should, Gaider got pissed and... well, he has the nickname "Archmage of Reconjuration" in the fanbase for a reason. The first of his countless retcons was Return to Ostagar retconning things in Loghain's favor.
It should also be noted that Loghain's men were in control of the Tower of Ishal. So Loghain knew about the darkspawn tunnel. He knew the team sent to light the beacon would be delayed if not killed. No, it was just regicide. He wasn't trying to "save" anyone. Another point: one of the nobles you can get on your side for the landsmeet is by saving his son from Howe's torture dungeon. He's there because he knows the battle was NOT lost when Loghain committed treason.
And even more importantly, Loghain is a delusional fool. He doesn't have a point because he did it all to stop an imaginary Orlesian invasion. He never considered the darkspawn a real threat until half the country was lost. He flatly says it's not a blight but just a particularly large raiding band and no big deal. Everything he did was because he was piss-scared of Orlais and Orlais had no plans of doing anything except PERHAPS helping.
Veladus 💯
Idk who you are, but can i waste my life on you?
He went crazy and became regent and even had his own daughter imprisoned, but yeah he had good intentions, but you shouldn’t let Alistair kill him, the best throne ending is Alistair marries Anora, which is impossible if he kills him, also you get some unique dialogue if Alistair does the dual, or you could kill him after the dual, but if Alistair is the killer Anora refuses to marry him
reupload?
nope
No it is a difference version
+Tres 2b *different
"commenter edition"
Yeah, second time this videos been uploaded today, no idea why.
Who are you working for ?Lotta loyalty for a dodecahedron
N was alright, he even helps out in the sequel. It Ghethsis who was the creep.
N really believed in what he said, his father used it to try and gain power by being the only ones who could keep Pokemon.
I always have to say Lex Luthor. Why should we trust Superman? Why should one alien with superpowers get to make decisions for 7.4 billion humans?
Because he can wipe the floor with us? Like get in a fist fight with Superman, see how that goes lol
Agreed
*Spoilers*
Batman won the fight against superman, he chose not to kill him.
Tyler Baldwin So might makes right? I disagree!
+Flo Rian "Martha" is going to be the most popular name in Gotham.
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Armstrong's nano machines always reminded me of the haki stuff from one piece anime.
I DID think handsome Jack was missing from the original video
STILL NO SCOLAR VISARI?? How can you not include this brutal, warmongering dictator that excels at rhetoric? All he wanted was to retake Vekta, the original home of the Helghast. They lived there peacefully until the "good guy" ISA invaded and kicked them off of Vekta, forcing them to live on the harsh planet of Helghan. Sure, his army commits some war crimes, but wouldn't you be extremely pissed if some dudes came out of nowhere, invaded, and exiled you to a slightly toxic planet?
It really just seems you guys wanted to use this episode to tell commenters why they were wrong to want those villains on the list. It's not to say whether they WERE wrong or not, just a little unfortunate that you went down that path for a "commenter edition".
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Kreya is Big Smoke of Star Wars.
Pretends to be homie in the beginning of the game, and betrays in the end but considers it reasonable
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The Legion stop raiders by being raiders, your point makes no sense at all, person who suggested the Legion.
Had me at seeing Kreia in the intro
Paul Serene, the reincarnation of Littlefinger from Game of Thrones
The playlist (218 Game Videos to Watch Before You Die) has the greatest name.