Spartans Loved The Elderly (What is Karl drinking?)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2020
- It's common knowledge that the Spartans were known across the ancient world for being incredibly skilled in battle, but it seems a lesser known fact about them is that they actually adored the elderly?
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Old Spartans didn't get that way by being easy to kill.
A twenty year old spartan vs the fifty year old spartan is basically a young kratos vs old kratos
A young spartan might be much more able, more lively
But I'd bet good money an army of Spartans with old man strength would be terrifying, especially with decades of training
this is a quote I once heard, “beware the old man in the land where men die young” or something like that.
@@youknowme3501 Yeah I heard something similar, "Beware the old man, in a profession where men die young." "He did not become old by accident."
Crazy Gamebino an old man in a young mans game knows a trick or two, you earn your age.
"Beware of an old man in a profession where young men die" - Unknown (someone know who said it?)
a fucking badass, that's who said it. lets be real here.
Im pretty sure that was a wresting quote
Probably a Spartan
Pogo the clown?
Hossea from red dead 2
The "IF" quote reminds me of the following:
"Shortly before World War I, the German Kaiser was the guest of the
Swiss government to observe military maneuvers. The Kaiser asked a
Swiss militiaman: 'You are 500,000 and you shoot well, but if we
attack with 1,000,000 men what will you do?' The soldier replied: 'We
will shoot twice and go home.'"
Another good one was a CNN interview with a US sniper right after we invaded Afghanistan or Iraq (sorry I can't recall which) the interviewer asked "What do you feel when you have to shoot an insurgent?" The sniper paused for a second and then replied "Recoil"
Lmao the CNN and the Kaiser story remind me of a story this took place in new Loki god of mischief says to tony "I have an army" to which tony replied "we have a hulk" needless to say one of loki's last phrases he repeated before death was "we have a hulk"
Skeet skeet.
'Nuff said.
@@JP-zl9ge Did you know hisoka's bungee gum contains the properties of both rubber and gum *NUFF SAID*
See Carolus Rise
I love the line, “Yes. This is Fact Fiend. We always have stories.”
i literally read this as he said it
That's the tagline
Tonight we dine in FACTS!!
End quote
That line earned my like.
To paraphrase Terry Pratchet: Don't mess with someone who has grown old in a profession that doesn't encourage survival.
@@paul-antonywhatshisface3954 GNU Sir Terry
Yeah. Cohen and his Silver Horde were the most badass elderly heroes.
Makes sense. If you were an old Spartan, you survived everything life has thrown at you, most likely via killing it.
when a Spartans first instinct when meeting a ghost is to try and kill it then yeah
@@strikersub1814 then I am a spartan?
@@guywholookspretty Sonic the hedgehog breathes air, I also breath air. Am i sonic?
@@josephvissarionovichstalin4843 yes you are indeed sonic
@@josephvissarionovichstalin4843 of course! Who else breaths air other than sonic!??
You forgot the most important part of the old man wandering the Olympic Games story.
The crowd applauded the Spartans’ kind gesture to which the old man faced them and said, “All Greeks know what is right, but only Spartans do it.”
In Germany we literally laugh about Radler because it has almost no alcohol, there's literally a song about that here
Zu recht
Aber schmeckt verdammt gut im Sommer
I feel like Arnold Schwarzenegger and his word is stronger then the jeering of the germans
James IDK Arnold never said that it’s alcohol and neither do we say that it’s not tasty
Radler ist ja auch kein Alkohol😂 deshalb gibt es jetzt erstmal ein schönes gösser beim lernen 🍻
Fun fact: Radler literally means "person who rides a bike". It was originally the drink you would get in the summer when you made a stop during a bike tour. Cause it's not safe to be drunk in the sun on a bike, but we're German, we want our beer! So just mix it with some lemonaid and there you go :) Also, it's fucking refreshing!
You guys really do like beer A LOT. I gotta try this stuff lol.
That and there is a story about a bartender who had to serve a bunch of bikers but didn’t have enough beer for the bikers so he mixed the beer with lemonade to make sure he had enough to give to the bikers
To be fair, this is not a German exclusive. IN Austria we got the same thing too.
@@Aodhan_Raith Pour yourself a good Pilsner and add Sprite/Lemonaide. I usually make mine ~2/3rds beer and ~1/3rd Lemonaide to end up at 0.5 liters.
@@JainZar1 Thanks stranger.
“Spartan babies were submerged in wine” Karl would have been king of the Spartans
this is a quote I once heard, “beware the old man in the land where men die young” or something like that.
I think the quote is about old men in a career where men die young, referring to soldiers and a few other dangerous jobs. The essence of the quote is the same though so I don't think it's important enough to correct unless you're a massive pedant like me.
"Beware the old man in a career were young men die"
@@juggalox1000 where not were
As a Classicist who wrote a short paper specifically about Sparta: can confirm
@@spartanxmonster the political and cultural economy of the Spartan City and its Wider territories
@@user-ts8fj5kj2z that sounds fun. Wanna come to a house party next year (when it's legal)?
Along with naming my son Leonidas, I will raise him to become a spartan warrior and best his entire kindergarten class in combat on the playground
Leonidas is actually one of my favourite names. I'd love to name a son that. He could always go by Leo too, so it's not outlandish like some names.
I heard those named Leonidas are meant to have been descended from Hercules.
@@danielcardiff3861 Heracles* (Hercules is Roman ya nonce)
@@JinsolLee Don't I look a right tit.
When I saw the title, I immediately thought of master chief just helping a little old lady crossing a street
He probably would.
A thing to point out about the exposure of infants was that if someone found and took in the child, or if it survived for two days it would be allowed to live.
So essentially a lost and found for infants? Well not really lost and found but basically an old version of ebay where you get rid of stuff you don't need where others will gladly take it
@@SYKRAL1 if the child can survive two days of starvation AND cold nights, then its pretty much spartan allready... also, staying alive when anyone else thinks you will die, shows strong willpower... which is also spartan... plus, to survive when people leave you to die, is the best comeback a child who can´t speak yet could do... and comebacks, are another spartan tradition...
The one fact im surprised wasn't mentioned is King Leonidas was 60 years old when he died
"Darn. Only three days from retirement" - King Leonidas
@@skavenbrad9569 You win the comment section.
Also, just got this from your name.
Imagine...spartan skaven.
"Tonight, we dine...in Skavenblight!"
@@gustadood9166 its really hard to imagine a Spartan-skaven, seems like they nullify each other.
It's actually pretty interesting when you think about it.
This just came to my mind when he told about the passage in God of War;
in Norse mythology it doesn't mean that it would be dishonorable to die old, they were actually kept fairly well in the society due to their wisdom in life. But Vikings from lived by the rules of these mythologies often pleaded their liege to attend on raid or war so he could die honorably and enter Valhalla.
They would go first, everyone knowing they will die. But they would go with full ferocity, usually taking several arrows to take down or the old man could even score an kill before gates of Valhalla would open to them. Now imagine what it's like to be that enemy they're attacking on: You would have just witnessed and old man kill your brother in arms without a single doubt or even the slightest fear of death and you are hearing an army of similarly thinking young, fit and extremely ferocious force chanting across the hill "Odin! Odin! Odin!".
That would scare anyone and he the ultimate honorary death.
Spartans were rational about this and respected elders even more by understanding their part for the country. Vikings weaponized their beliefs into psychological warfare.
This was really interesting to read, thank you
@@fallensway855 Thanks!
If even one person finds it fascinating or informative, I know it was worth to write it! 😄
I dont know why but in my mind, in the story off the old man looking for a seet, all the spartan men stands up at one time and just go over and kick all the pepol off the seets off one off the other city states.
Athens
@@myrddinemrys1332 they are a bunch of nerds
I too love the elderly. They're not all wise as sages or tough as rock, but they are nice to be around and to listen to their stories.
They have seen decades worth of cultural, technological, economical and jurisdictional changes in the world and to hear the differences between then and now is something that will always fascinate me.
Almost as if they're wrinkled and constipated time machines!
The Spartans loved and respected the elderly, and more than two thousand years later my country is one deranged rant away from publicly sacrificing the elderly so the economy can magically heal.
'Murica?
@@marag7420 greece i think
Well the elderly in the Roman Times didn't cause a housing crisis or climate change, so I don't think that's a fair comparison.
the god of war quote where kratos was confused at this was probably my favorite moment at that point in the game, because it reminds you he wasnt always a hulking murder machine, he was an actual normal spartan at one point
Do you know where in the game that was because I think I missed it.
Kyle Scott they are in Hel when the dialogue happens, I am not sure which trip it happens on though.
Oh, a video about Spartans.
"Little-Dark-P-Ness"
Why am I not surprised.
Radler is the best in summer. Also you should try Gösser if you can get it. In my opinion the best Radler bc they make it with more natural lemonade and it just tasted way better than the overly sweet other variants.
preach
Kupfer Radler (hard to get but woth it)
@@breadeater7192 Just an hour away, that shouldn't be too hard to get for me :D Gonna try it as soon as I get my hands on it.
gösser really is the best radler. tho when it comes to proper beer there's Wieselburger and nothing else comes even close ;)
if you ever was on a german music festival you know that there are just 2 good beers. 2.5 (radler ) just when you wake up and for the rest of the day 5.0
We need more stories like these ones from Sparta
Ah no mater what age your in math is always the most dreaded subject to learn.
@@spartanxmonster hey which battle is this? Looking for some new study here.
Actually weren’t Spartans heavily anti alcohol. They believed it wouldn’t help them in combat so it was highly disregarded.
perhaps only when they had to do something important. Otherwise alcohol was a safe way to store drinking water and was a lot of fun.
Yes, they looked down on drunkenness. In fact, they would force a helot to get drunk to show the spartan children how stupid it made you. They would drink their wine watered down.
So they dunked their children in alcohol to see how susceptible they are to it and to make sure they don't get drunk in the future.
Fact: spartans didn’t throw babies off of cliffs.
No
They left them in a pit to starve...
Only gor two days if somebody didn't take them or died.
If anything, that's worse
It's sad but makes sence.
If you want your community and society fo be the strongest and best in the area then having disabled or mentally sick people in the gene pool will lessen that overall. So kinda makes sence. You dont want people in your community that can not physically keep up with work or war. It makes no sence to feed and look after them and put recourse into them when they wont add to the overall benefit of the community. Sad but how they had to look at it back then. Survival of the fittest.
Yup and it probably made them stronger. Useless mouths to feed, can't take cripples into battle and Spartans lived for battle. A spartan unable to fight wasn't a Spartan
Well, but that was quite common in the ancient world, not only limited to Sparta. Even Romans did it at some points. (It wasn't always a pit, some civilization just left the children on the sun, unattended, but in the end, it was a death sentence for the baby one way or the other.)
Was that Ashens doing that Poundland skit?.. That sounds like something he'd do 😂
It would make sense because he did go on tour a few years ago
@@xaviermerson7594 I was just thinking that and about to comment. Karl should watch Ashens all the same if it wasnt.
The city of Thebes actually rekt'd the Spartans, so bad in fact that it rendered them irrelevant for the rest of history.
The sacred band of Thebes is totally under appreciated.
They were the first city state to stand up to them in a fair fight rather than be cowed by their reputation. And they mopped the floor with them
It was like facing mike Tyson right now. Sparta was way past its prime and nobody did the traditional combat training anymore. Thebes is a joke
@@spartanxmonster A quote from my Highschool English teacher. "There was no LGBT in Greece, pretty much everyone was B" for context me and my friends were talking about ancient greek stories and how some of them were changed or purposely misinterpreted in modern times to avoid LGBT stuff (among other topics), for example, the story of Achilles and Patroclus, his male love. Anyways, my English teacher was awesome and joined the conversation and one of the first things he said upon joining the conversation was that.
Sparta always had a small population of citizens, and by the time Thebes beat them, Sparta’s citizen population was just down to a few thousand.
@@spartanxmonster so were Spartans or any other Greek city state.
Spartans ahead of there time for gender equality but leaving deformed babies to die in a pit ( 5:30 )
If they survived for a couple of days, or were taken in by passers by, they were allowed to survive.
Infanticide was also not limited to Sparta, it has been practiced at one time or another by most civilisations.
it's not like deformed babies would last much longer in ancient times anyway
a lot of ancient greece practiced infanticide. one thing in ancient sparta is Women were expected to have children and if they were sterile of had no children they were often shamed publicly. so their gender equality was conditional and based on limited reproductive freedom really. while better than much of ancient greece it still would be considered very lacking. they essentially only valued a woman if she produced children and raised them, their value was inherently tied to that in Spartan culture. so not quite as progressive as people think.
Yeah, they were mostly pro-equality but also practitioners of eugenics
@@niko2239 They practiced it much less than other city states. Bones of exposed and abandoned infants have been found throughout the lands of Ancient Greece, but in the pit at the base of Mt. Taygetos only the bones of Adults have been found. Heck, we are not totally sure that is even where they left their children as it is attested to by Plutarch who lived centuries after the Spartans.
All I can do is picture that the Spartans at the Olympics started to fight each other to see who’s seat he would take. It was just an all out brawl and the women had to intervene to stop the fighting.
Hey Karl, if you want a Radler recommendation, try to find "Gösser", german friends of mine love that stuff and it tastes great. There is next to no beer taste in it so it basically tastes like lemonade.
Might be a bit hard to come by though outside of Austria/Germany, not entirely sure.
But give it a try if you can.
@@big.gib.4L I wouldn't know :D I rarely drink alcoholic beverages
@@big.gib.4L that sounds pretty nice, might give that a shot (hahahaha pun) at some point
A young spartan might be much more able, more lively
But I'd bet good money an army of Spartans with old man strength would be terrifying, especially with decades of training
Karl, you mixed the quotes around, "If" was the 2nd reply, which then Philip and his son, Alexander the Great did NOT invade Sparta. But still great stuff
Referring to Arnold's squats and beer training, it was drinking and doing squats right back and forth, occasional puke so not over drinking but also getting some beer into the system, carb loading would be the term, essentially like for runners but quick explosive energy, but if you dont burn the calories, can get bad quick.
Also if need quick energy for a run, 2 sticks of willy Wonka pixie sticks, specific sugar goes straight to energy skips everything.
Worked at GNC for 3 years, old knowledge but if it helps, it helps.
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!
"Unless you have a heated seat, that shit is amazing" interesting choice of words there. 🤣🤣
A cold radler on a hot summer day is so amazing
Why do I like the way Karl says "so good'''...?
Fun facts Sparta was so confident and it's abilities that it's city did not have walls and a Persian army was sent it to take a sparta and they didn't believe if the city that had no walls was Sparta
I remember Karl talking about a Spartan who got asked where the Spartans defense ended and the Spartan supposedly stretched out his spear and said "about there" or something like that
@@DocFr4nk cool
Not to mention the elderly being badasses because they managed to survive, to put it mildly, a seemingly endless stream of obstacles to one’s preservation, but the elderly also have wisdom and knowledge, secrets and information from forgotten times. You would be doing yourself and your warrior brothers a favor to listen to them when they speak.
.... Ok. I need to go back to find my sources again. However there were a lot of myths about the spartans. In the gist. Spartans had big mouths, then ended up having to back it up.
Brian Barnes they didn’t so much have big mouths as they were taught from birth to speak a very specific way. Mainly, they had to be absolutely efficient in everything they said, taking up as little time and energy as possible to get a message across. Hence, to everyone else they came off as extremely blunt, dismissive and quite rude but that was genuinely the way they spoke
@@ethanquirk28 I mean. I was taught the same thing. And I get the whole thing about being rude, but I'm also like; you'd still be getting mad at me for telling you what you want to hear. Make up your mind!
At 1:40 I remembered lion Cubs have a 80 percent mortality rate. Most animals kill them if they have a chance but its mostly because they are the last to eat and if there's nothing left, well the grown ups can always make more
German guy here. I have had dozens of beers and beer mix drinks, but a good old radler is still one of my favourites.
Also, you could try Beck's Green Lemon if you can find it. That stuff's great.
Honestly if I was old in a place without center heating, or basic insulation for buildings; being offered to skip the queue, and get a warm loo seat doesn't sound so bad.
I do seriously love these Sparta Episodes, fun information and always makes me laugh and yet also question things both back then and now.
I came as fast as I heard! Love your work Karl!
The 300 quotes video (The original) was the first one I saw... now I've seen theme all. Thanks Karl
Well,... you got to respect people who grow old in a time and society that most people don't.
In the subtitles, when she says “so I’ve been meaning to ask” it reads, “sober means ass” hah I guess appropriate for this channel
So, is Radler like Shandy (beer with lemon soft drink)
sort of, but tastier
Pretty much. My understanding is the the difference is basically who made it where
The old man in the game arena turned to the crowd and exclaimed for all to hear….
“ALL GREEK KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT… ONLY THE SPARTANS DO WHAT IS RIGHT!!”
Och Radler is great. Also, I always love learning about respectful Spartans! Love the stories.
The man has spoken. More true words have yet to be spoken.
One of the best channels going atm
i think part of why this channel is so nice is just the human tradition of listening to someone tell stories and joke around
So the Spartans were basically fierce warriors forged by childhood neglect, culture and wine
Reason i like these videos is because they just chill and talk about random stuff.
crazy how much the channel has grown
Karl listening to your podcast on spotify and playing terraria with my mate is the chillest time I've had haha.
I need more spartan content in my veins, love this stuff. :)
Another brilliant video
Radler is also a pretty common drink, up in the Alps. It's great, after a long hike, and they make it on the spot by mixing a good beer with lemon soda, to keep it fresh.
Why is Karls face so red? either he's laughing his ass off in between cuts or that beer is stronger than he thinks :)
I bet even old spartans can kick ass
Wasnt Leonidas like in his 60s during the Persian war
That spartan warrior, poor guys getting old, can only take 20 at once
Most likely, they had to stay active, it wasn’t like they were a frail old man. A 60 year old spartan most likely had a good bit of muscle of them.
In my mind for the old man seats story all the spartan men stand up in coordination all together.
In the states, we typically call a beer/lemonade (or fruit beverage) mix a "shandy". Leinenkugel makes my favorite, the Summer Shandy.
I'd happily binge Fact Fiend's Sparta videos all day.
One of my most hated things on TH-cam is the TH-camr asking for likes and subs. You guys never do that and I Appreciate that. Keep at it!
Wait until summer when you can have a Radler at the beach or just chilling in the sun.
There's a Bavarian version with wheat beer called 'Russ' which you might enjoy.
The Spartans did leave the baby’s at a bottom of a mountain for a night because it was believed that any baby that could survive that is a true spartan
And my favorite line is either when Xerxes said you should have just marched you women down here and Leonids said “we’ll you obviously don’t know our women”
Or when they say “lay down your weapons” And Leonids said “come and get them” or “then we will fight in the shade”
“Back when the Wii U was relevant”
Was it ever relevant?
No.
Yes
The story of Philip of Macedon's message is the reason we got the word "laconic," as in a laconic phrase, defined by being terse and abrupt. Because the area around Sparta was known as Laconia.
man I love your history videos! Do more!!!
"I've been in hotels where the toilets have heated seats, and that shit is amazing" - Had me laughing.
I could listen to Karl rant all day long, goddamn hilarious 😄
Don't you just love when youtube randomly unsubscribed you from channels you regularly watch, leaving you to wonder why they suddenly stopped uploading
I like learning that one of the successful military powers of the ancient world was also more or less egalitarian
Another neat thing about the spartans is that they one a few battles just by showing up and letting their reputation do the rest with the enemy army refusing to fight them. That is a preferred way to win after all, no one has to die and the point is made to not dick with them.
Here's my thinking: if you lived in an era where laws were more of a suggestion than anything, war was practically every other Tuesday, disease was literally everywhere, and there was no modern medicine, and you live long enough to grow some gray hairs, you automatically deserve everybody's respect.
I could listen to Karl telling stories about Spartans all fuckin' day.
“Rory Delaping him” 😂😂
There is literaly a german song taunting radler and the peaple who drink it
*_people_*
@@JamesHuggett_ Grammar nazi detected.
Peaple
Sorry spelling isn't my strength and English is my second language
i love ytp as well, legendary nisha
Radler was technically invented as a "sports drink". "Radl" is german slang for bicycle, a "Radler" is therefore someone riding a bike. Radler (the beverage) has to be low in alcohol so you can drink several glasses or bottles throughout the day and still be sober enough to complete your bike tour on a nice summer day.
It’s amazing how you can go from “little dark penis” to “spartans three babies off cliffs” in literally 3 seconds
Rory Delaping him that is my new favourite quote
Karl's mic phases into the 4th dimension during the end of the video
that lemon fosters is very nice
The guy who did the raffiki edit was Simone Rovellini on youtube who also did master works such as exploding princesses and exploding actresses.
Every time I go to a party, I always go to the bathroom when nobody is looking, and heat the toilet with a hairdryer.
So far, I have never been caught.
I just realized that when ever I try to tell a story high, I go on tangent like they ALWAYS do. Its like - starts with babies beign thrown off cliffs to Super Smash Brothers!
I think you already did this one not sure tho still love it going to watch all the through anyway love your videos Karl and your personality
Spartacus
YTP ist pure Art. LOLs were had.
I'm always down for a good shandy. I'll have to try Radler specifically
Radlers are dope. And I have a solid reason to drink them more often.
The Spartans had a novel idea for sun protection.
I was just thinking about you doing one on the Spartans and there respect for the elderly
Radlers are amazing, and I wish I could find a proper substitute for it stateside.
You got it in the wrong order, in the original video you were right, Philip II of Macedon first asked "Would you rather i come to your city as friend or foe?" then he said the more famous "If i come to your city, I will raze it to the ground"
Adds context to the old man in Disneys Hercules when he seays "THATS IT! IM MOVING TO SPARTA!"