@KittyKat what do u mean to whom? Like I know. Its the only one that makes sense. Do u know when klein searched they appt he found the camo jacket that deorr was wearing the day he disappeared wrapped in a plastic bag and buried in a couch. The mother didn't want him. She gave up her other 2 kids. The grandad is in on it. Isaac was brought there just so he can be blamed.
The second that stories become inconsistent or start changing when it involves missing or injured children is ALWAYS extremely concerning and suspicious.
@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink Jesus I don't know if this is part of what bothered you but it seems like a lot of people will hear something, misunderstand, and use it as fact, regarding anything but also like when people are talking about psychology related subjects, acting like they completely know what's going on and even vilifying people with it.
Makes you wonder doesn’t it? But are the inconsistencies due to years passing and memory fading or because they are lying and can’t remember exactly what they said years ago?
You can't trust anything Klein says. He claims to have confessions, jackets and all kinds of evidence, but he has never presented any of it to police or shown it to anyone.
Everything about this case is inconsistent and strange. For instance: 1- During the trip to the store, they said they got "lost" for nearly an hour, which is ridiculous because there is only one road to town and the the tiny village is only a couple of streets long. 2- They told several lies, for instance, that a beer-truck driver had interacted with Deorr and that the gas station attendant had also interacted with Deorr. Both men were interviewed and both adamantly denied ever seeing Deorr. Why would they make up all the stories about people interacting with Deorr during this shopping trip? It is clear Deorr was not with them, two independent witnesses said the parents were alone. Maybe they got rid of him along the way? 3- One thing that is striking to me is the difference between this case and Maddie McCann's case. The McCanns tried to get as much exposure as possible and never stopped looking for their child, they even met with the pope! These parents, on the other hand, did not want exposure. After the first couple of interviews, they didn't want any more media around, and wanted to forget the incident. 4-Vernal moved out of state and Jessica remarried only a few months later, and was all smiles (kinda like Casey Anthony partying while her child was missing). I've seen many cases of missing children and the parents never stop looking. Maura Murray's dad kept looking for her forever; same with the McCanns. These two, on the other hand, moved on with their lives as quickly as possible. 5- Interestingly, when you listen to some interviews with Jessica, she refers to Deorr using distancing language, calling him "that kid", "little man" or things like that ("that kid was my best friend"). Chris Watts did the same things on interviews ("I want those kids back"). She rarely uses his name nor does she say "my child" or "my son". It's all very distant. 6-Vernal, the father, made remarks like "I want to prove everyone that we're innocent". One would think that his priority would be to find his kid, rather than to prove anything! 7-Did they want to get rid of Deorr and use Isaac as a scapegoat? Otherwise why bring along a guy that you don't know at all and who has a criminal past? Who says “I want to go camping with the family, and it would be a great idea to also invite some stranger who is a weirdo”? Even the grandpa said he didn't trust Isaac and didn't know him well, so why on earth did they bring him? 8-They were deeply in debt and struggling financially, but they decided to spend money on a camping trip? 9-And why go on a camping trip on a Thursday instead of the weekend? Perhaps because the campground would be empty? 10- Jessica did not want this child like she didn't want her previous two kids. There is a picture of her with Deorr and she's giving him such a hateful stare that is unbelievable. She had already given up custody of her two previous kids, and she had tied her tubes. She dumped Vernal a month later and quickly married another guy .The opposite of a grieving mother. 11-Two private investigators, one after the other, offered their help, only to quit shortly thereafter because they felt the parents were uncooperative and deceitful. What are the odds that two detectives would say the same thing? 12-When Jessica and Vernal were evicted from their house, one of the private detectives was granted access by the landlord and he found the boots they said Deorr was wearing. The boots were in the house all along. Another lie by the parents. I don't know what happened, but when you put all the pieces together, nothing makes sense. The whole thing stinks!
I think they sold the kid..and took the money to start new lives. She figures her kid is with a good family so she's not torn up over it..and Verbal glad to have some pocket change to pay his bills IMO.
The McCanns have made multi millions of dollars from the publicity they generated and were able to pay off their mortgage and travel the world.........
@@_HimToo They weren't millionaires and had a mortgage to pay off. They went to a budget resort in the off season so it was cheaper. They could have hired a full time nanny to stay in the apartment with the kids, or at least an overnight babysitter.......they didn't do that.
The changing stories and that these parents moved on with their lives so quickly make them extremely suspicious to me. I can't imagine losing my child and caring about anything but finding him.
You think they dont care? My boy went missing also. I could only search so much before going back to work to pay the bills. 6 months later his body was found in a small case in another county. His killer was caught & confessed. People accused us of not caring, smh.
@@KyleInOklahoma Oh man I’m so sorry for your immense lost. I can’t imagine the pain you have gone true. And guess there is nothing one could say to soothe this pain. But i strongly believe in God almighty and in a afterlife. One day you will be reunited with your beloved child and all pain and suffering shall be forgotten. Peace ☮️!
I live near Idaho so this story dominated the local news when it happened. I was suspicious from the start. I camped with my kids starting when they were toddlers. I never let them out if my sight, especially if we were camped near a body of water. I think if DeOrr had been anywhere around that campsite, he would have been found.
I'm from Idaho Falls. My family has rental property and few years before this Jessica actually rented from us. She had I think 2 other kids then that she lost custody of. She and her then bf were a mess.
Between my wife and I, we never took our eyes off of our kids until they started attending school. We never even hired a babysitter. Better Safe than Sorry! It's crazy times.
OF COURSE you do! You look away for a few seconds when you're checking if the food is done, or when you're in the bathroom, or when you share a tender look with your spouse, or when the kid is tucked into his sleeping bag asleep and you go outside the tent to enjoy the campfire a bit longer. There are ALWAYS moments when you're not actually looking at the child. Of course, you keep it brief and infrequent, and you're keeping your ears on the child when you can't see him/her. But you are not being honest with yourself if you say you never take your eyes off for a second.
@@polarbearsrus6980 Not necessarily. Caylee Anthony was only like 3 when she was kidnapped and apparently later died but Casey probably only lost her and wasn't involved. Good parents can make honest mistakes.
@@chad3232132 Casey Anthony WAS responsible for her daughter's disappearance & death i am sure! Her parents were suspicious too..because they did something to try to cover for their daughter. Casey Anthony was only interested in herself & her new boyfriend. 🤒
@@libralillyknits They went to check out a fishing site and left their very active (the father's description of him) two year old with the mother's 76-year-old grandfather, who could hardly move and had an oxygen tank, and a 35 year old dude who was a COMPLETE STRANGER to them. He was apparently the grandfather's "friend," but even the grandfather admitted he didn't trust him! How is that NOT being negligent?
I mean, it turned out that the woman who claimed a "dingo ate my baby" was probably telling the truth, though we wouldn't realize that until 30+ years later from the initial event. Anything is possible, but the parents seem pretty suspect in this case.
She was cleared and was telling the truth.. This family here is full of it.. When you're child goes missing, you don't forget the story AT ALL.. You know exactly what happened. They have 7 different stories but, I do understand what you're saying.. Unfortunately it's the constant changing of their story that is the issue..
I was thinking the same thing. This reminds me of the "dingo ate my baby" case as well. Which is such a sad story, I feel terrible for what that mother went through. Although my gut says that in this case, the family did do something shady.
She was *definitely* telling the truth. But it’s not like that case really, which happened at night where there were loads of dingos. Some people always believed Lindy Chamberlain, just not the majority. I doubt anyone believes these two.
Love how Dr. Grande’s speculations are absolutely, “nah, I smell BS; better luck next time pal.” Always gives some good insight and really makes you think about all sides of the situation. Keep speculating sir, this really sheds light on human behavior and has us fans taking a deeper dive on these cases.
Whether they are guilty or not. . . they have to live with the constant threat of facing justice. . . Great line Dr Grande! Thank you for your analysis!💖💖
What a strange story, I can't imagine that poor child disappearing like he did. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande, hopefully the truth will come out one day.
@@michelekossack1861 I thought of the case in Australia, too. There are similarities. It doesn't make sense that everyone would go along with covering up a murder.
@@donnawalker8352 Take that with a grain of salt, if you will. I live in the northern mountain region of Idaho. Bear attacks across the country, much less fatal attacks are not as common as people think (with wyoming reportedly taking #1 spot with attacks.) That being said, yes, there are cases of bear attacks and it is a possibility...unlikely, but a possibility none the less. Here is what the 'justice for baby deorr' website has to say: "A new psychic reading has been made for Deorr, claiming his case has been solved, which has confused many. We would like to say that while this new reading that says Baby Deorr was taken and killed by a bear, that we are open to all theories and readings for Baby Deorr, but he has not been found yet, so take the solved part lightly and continue hoping for him to be found. *Meantime in January 2021, Donna the Psychic has created her very own Deorr page for more gain to her pocket. Again Deorr is still missing and his case is NOT solved. Please believe the facts this page holds. The TRUTH is how this case will be solved."
She had another kid with the new husband. I hope he has a good life. I think the father did something, maybe accidentally. Then hid the body when he 'went to the store'.
Yup..kill bury under debri...wait..collect insurance $$$$$$$$$$$$$ move on...breed again in a few years when money runs low and people forget what you did
Since they aren’t together anymore, might be a good time to pressure one to rat the other out. As a mother, I was always the one with my hand on my babies. Not dad, not grandma, not boyfriend etc. my babies.
@@tinawindham6958 They have, immunities were offered. Neither one signed the offers, literally for Jessica they offered parenting courses and probation, if she revealed the location of a body. The accusations of internet sleuths are not evidence of the Kunz' characters, it's evidence of the ugliness of society. Possibly evidence of dark subconsciouses too, from some of the macabre and detailed theories.
IMO, the only reason they brought the grandfather and friend were to misdirect the police investigation - give the police someone else to investigate and blame. This case has always bothered me, to many changes to their stories which is always a red-flag.
I definitely think you’re onto something with the friend- they wanted him to take the blame if cops realized it was a homicide. I can’t imagine trying to put the blame on my elderly parent though… that seems too far even for monsters. However, if they are guilty I 100% would not put it past them
I work with DeOrr’s grandmother. She called some guys that she knew well and had camped with. As they were loading up four wheelers, they received a call not to show up. Why would anyone not want men and women who spend their off time camping and hunting. It’s heartbreaking to watch the grandmother live through this living nightmare.
This whole event sounds too well planned. Bring an acquaintance and an elderly man who uses supplemental oxygen and whose mentation is questionable to a family camping excursion?? The boy goes missing and everyone is saying, "I thought that he was with you!" Stories and memories are sketchy at best, and change at worst. Find the motive for wanting the child gone and you'll find out the who, what, where and how.
The grandfather's questionable mental state is what makes it seem genuinely to have been an accident. Why would they count on him to bolster their supposedly fake story? Unfortunately, mishaps like this happen every single day. Similar to a child drowning in a pool surrounded by family: it's not outside the realm of possibility for everyone involved to have truly believed the baby was being watched by someone else.
Am pretty sure the little boy didn't go on this spontaneous trip at all. One of his parents killed DeOrr, probably in a fit of anger, and they took along the other two people as "witnesses" to their story. If you watch true crime stories about children who got lost in the woods, large numbers of viewers believe there are always kidnappers and wild animals lurking around, ready to pounce any minute. Never mind by far the most likely explanations are 1) the child just got lost -- very easy to do -- had an accident, and fell into a place where his body could not be seen, or 2) the parents killed the child, and took the body out to the wilderness to dispose of it. I'd bet big money that DeOrr's parents had seen shows like that before, and thought "here's a plan!"
The boy was at camp site . You Isaac credible and police also believe so. All four conspiring? No way. Parents started publicly accusing grandpa and Issac
In interviews, they honestly don't come over as bright enough to plan the week's meals never mind a murder . Plus a cadaver dog alerted there as did sniffer dogs. I'd say accidental death covered up.
The following is only a mere theory: The 35yo friend, Isaac, was brought along as a patsy. The plan fell away though: not only did he not hear what the mom called to him, he didn't even hear her at all. Unless he has a hearing impairment, then she never called out to him. That story sounds so weak anyway. Not thought out at all or just stupid reasoning. Boy is either dead or illegally adopted by another couple. I'm not seeing grief, so am leaning toward the adoption.
At 43, I don't have any kids that I helped make. But I've had the privilege and honor to have helped raise several kids of varying ages. I virtually never let the young ones out of my sight, but as you real parents know, the couple times one slipped away for a minute, I was an absolute WRECK. So this one stings a bit
I had not heard that the parents both remarried and moved out of state. I have been suspicious of the parents from the very beginning. I had not heard they had both remarried and moved away. I know each person/family reacts differently, but it is not uncommon at all for parents to turn a child's room into a shrine, not change their phone number (for older children who might remember the #) or refuse to change any number of things with the faintest hope of the child returning home. Something happened and they were lucky enough, though they probably think it was because they are smart enough, to get away with the crime. Sometimes, criminals just happen to do everything right by accident. Sad.
This is a case where virtually the entire public felt sure they were murderers and treated them as such. Maybe they did kill their kid, or cover up his death, but even if I were completely innocent, I can't blame them for wanting to relocate given the level of hatred directed at them. The not changing their numbers thing is mainly parents of a child who was old enough to remember a phone number when he went missing. This kid was 2 years old and wouldn't remember a phone number or address. If a child goes missing and isn't found within 72 hours where's about a 95% chance the child is never found. Probably even higher given where this happened. By the time they moved away, there was essentially zero chance DeOrr was going to be found alive. Not every person wants to set up some shrine to make themselves depressed every time they walk past their child's old room.
yea 8 months later the both remarried. so the boy isnt even missing for 1 year and they both are meeting new boyfriends/girlfriends, going out on dates and getting married. i'm wondering if they each had wonderful joyous wedding ceremonies. like you said everyone reacts differently but 8 months seems way too soon. i saw the missing 411 movie about this case and i didnt even really suspect the parents, i kinda did but like the last on the list. now im rethinking it and may watch it again
I don't think they were married to begin with. And it isn't unusual for a couple to split after the loss of a child. The shared trauma is too much and they cannot move on together.
@@gristamshackleford2102 I honestly don't think that case belonged anywhere near that topic, let alone having any place in that movie, what a crock of crap!!!🤦🤦😡😡 That kid was either killed or perhaps sold (makes sense if the parents needed money so bad) they showed such a lack of caring, lack of emotion.... Suspicious vibes for sure and reeks of bs imo I hope that trash doesn't reproduce again, either one of um!!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬
I've followed this case for a few years now. So sad. Caregivers shirking responsibility, and no one has enough integrity to honour the poor little boy's memory...
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@@bthomson haha really? I was just paying her a well deserved compliment, i wouldnt consider it to be flirting at all, nor did I intend for it to be taken that way haha =)
I love it when an expert, in any field, uses the "Sword of Damocles" to illustrate a point, particularly a winning point. It immediately creates a vivid picture in my mind and I almost always end up agreeing with that person.
Wasn't there a condition on Damocles' sword? Like Damocles was a king who lived under duress in that the military would kill him if he failed them? Something like that. Doesn't apply here.
As soon as it came across our news here in Idaho, we knew that the parents were/are suspects. If two separate private detectives, hired by the parents quit because they feel the parents are lying and being deceptive….. they are definitely suspects.
I just wish those detectives that were suspicious of the parents did not quit but rather that they played along and dug deeper and took all evidence to the police. If there is some law that states if you work for someone that you can not hand over evidence because you are taking money from them, then say to them, no that is o.k. I will work for you for free just to help. I wish some detective would offer their services, not for them but for Deorr.
Really only to the degree that both were apparently in remote/sparsely inhabited places when the "vanished." I'd say the chances of death caused by someone outside the family is *much* higher in the Summer Wells case than this one. In fact, I lean (slightly) towards Summer Wells not being killed by someone inside the home, while I see little chance De'Orr's outcome was anything other than death by the parents or one of the other two people with them (with accidental or negligent death more likely than premeditated murder).
I don’t know these parents or have any affiliation with them but I just felt the need to respond on your comments about grief and how the mom got married 8 months after the disappearance of Dior. We humans have a hard time dealing with pain like grief and it’s not at all uncommon for a grieving person to jump into a relationship because they are trying everything in their power to feel better and to get away from the pain of heartache . Nothing works but we still try .
I think they brought Issac with them to blame him TBH. They weren't close and the way they aggressively attacked his character when he is the only one who's story didn't change is sus
I believe the theory that the boy never even made it to the trip. That they did something to him before they even went and used the trip as an excuse for him to go missing.
Have u read or seen the show based on the cry? I got those vibes from this. Setting up this elaborate scene to make it seem like the child was alive and with them when in reality *spoiler alert* the child was already dead and buried.
Sometimes I read old newspapers for fun. There were so many children who 'ran away' or 'disappeared.' It makes me wonder how many parents have got away with murder over the years. I'm glad we live in an age where unsolved child disappearances are the exception rather than the rule.
Such an odd case. Makes me incredibly sad for little Deorr and for the missing adopted brothers Orson and Orrin. How can children just up and vanish like this in today's world??
This story has always been a big mystery for me. If the parent(s) did this, they won't be able to hide from justice for long. With so many "no body" cases going to trial, it's not as unusual as it used to be. Thanks, Dr. Grande! 💙💙💙
Why is this even remotely considered a "mystery"? The entire event was arranged from beginning to end by the "parents" to get rid of the kid. The jacket he supposedly wore on that trip was found in the "parents'" apartment when they were evicted from their apartment.
I lived in Idaho Falls area for a little over a decade and I've been to Leadore due to my first husband being an avid sportsman. It would be pretty easy to lose track of anyone in the wilderness or "out in the middle of nowhere " areas that are common here in Idaho. I don't understand why these people didn't have DeOrr in their sights at all times. I've known parents to put small children in harnesses while enjoying the great outdoors. I remember this case when it happened and I don't know if the parents had anything to do with the poor child's disappearance but they were clearly incredibly negligent.
I put my daughter in a harness when she was 1-3 yrs old. She began life running! She walked early, was very tiny & beautiful, never met a stranger…etc. She also was a born Houdini so I found a harness that zipped up the back. Children are so easily lost or get away from you.
Who gets an elderly man who is on oxygen to babysit? There is no way he could physically take care of that little boy. I ‘ve been watching this story because it was featured on David Paulides Missing 411 documentary’s. I would love to finally really know what happen to that sweet boy.
My belief is they counted on his being feeble, if you will. And agree with what the parents said.. So as not to look completely dotty. They said the boy was with him and he agreed. I honestly don't believe he was alive. Placing a deseased child wrapped in blankets in a car seat. The others can say. Yes he was there. Not realizing the truth. That has been my belief anyway. Just horrible how children are so disposable these days.
I really hate it when people give their kid a name that they are going to have to constantly spell out to people their entire lives. It's not cute, it's not creative...it's narcassistic to stick someone with a lifetime problem.
This isn't one of those randomly made up name or a goofy spelling. This name goes way back. Also, I have a very common name & still have to spell it every time. Common name with 3 or 4 equally common spellings.
@@LeeDee5 This is true. I recall watching that documentary Grizzly Man and being shocked at just how much it takes to get a bear to maul you. The guy had zero knowledge of wildlife and it took years of acting stupid around bears to get one to eat him. It's actually quite a bit harder to get yourself killed in the wilderness than people generally think. On the other hand, it is *very* easy to die from other human beings.
Yasss! So excited to hear this! I have ALWAYS gotten terrible vibes from these people, especially the mother. They never even say his name, just "little man", like Lonzie Barton's "mother".
I hate it when people call they baby sons "little man". It's really impersonal and almost sounds as if the parent does not want to have the responsibility of a baby and would prefer he was grown. It's weird.
@@garmtpug it's just one of those innocuous pet names. Sure you're probably right in some cases, especially this one, but I feel like it's mostly innocent. It's like when people call their partner 'baby', it's not like they secretly wish their better half was a baby. At least I hope not.
@@garmtpug you "hate" it? You are filled to the brim with hatred when someone calls a kid "little man?" Are you also full of hatred when they say "young man?" Seems pretty silly.
@@sheilacooper8361 ~THANK YOUUUU GIRL!! I'm a forensic psychologist and I go from prison to prison and deal with the worst of the worst kind of offenders including rapists, child molesters, murderers, serial killers Ect. & Considering I stare into the face of killers every single day, I can literally look at their faces in the interviews that they've done and see nothing but straight guilt!!💯
@@sheilacooper8361 ~I don't know about the boot but I know 100% fact that they did find the camo jacket that they claimed he was wearing when they went on the camping trip....
From your information these two “ parents” seemed to be more interested in shopping and finding a creek with big fish, than being concerned about their child. So very sad an innocent child lost his life through neglect
Thanks for casting light on this, the first time I saw them in Missing 411 I was extremely suspicious of their behavior and story. Had to be the parents...
Hello, Dr. Grande. This is so upsetting! That poor little Baby! I don't trust the parents. How can you Not watch a 2 year old BABY?? Thank You, Dr. Grande 💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏
Because they didn't want to go public, due to exactly what they knew would happen. Public opinion from inaccurate media reporting and media's own beliefs before or irrelevant to the facts. It happens everyday.
I would love to see Dr. Grande do an analysis of the Ray Gricar case. Ray Gricar was a district attorney from Centre County, PA who went out one morning after telling his live-in girlfriend he'd be home sometime in the afternoon. He seemingly vanished. His computer hard drive was found in a nearby creek near the last place he was seen, and his car, a mini Cooper, was left in the vicinity as well.
When the parents refused to work with the media and get their son’s story out, I knew they did something. Most parents of missing children are begging the media to help them get the story out about their missing child. Regardless of the truth, I just hope he didn’t suffer.
Masterful analysis by Dr. G. I can still see the little chap stomping around in those cowboy boots. I believe the parents plotted to kill him, and to use Issac as a scapegoat.
I have to admit when my son was a toddler our extended family was camping. It was my turn to cook breakfast and my father-in-law had my son. He thought son had followed me back to the other campsite acrossed the road. My son was missing for about 1 minute and it was the worst minute of my life. That was 14 years ago and I thank God nothing happened to my baby.. moral of the story is, it can happen to anyone I just hope that who ever did something to that baby pays for it sooner or later!
Hi Dr Grande. Have you heard of the Serenity Dennard case? 9 y/o girl runs away from a children's care home in the mountains, never to be seen again. Lots of rumors about what could have happened and what was going on at that facility. Would be very interested to hear your take on it~!
Dr. G, you're a madman with all the content. You're also really helping diagnose myself with mental disorders. I know I know, you fully support self diagnosis and I couldn't agree more. :) Plus you've been turning some comedy gold lately too. Thanks for all the videos.
My guess is that it was an accident caused by their own neglect or abuse. They didn't mean for him to die but are culpable in his death. Everything after is a panicked and callous attempt to avoid punishment.
Agreed. The parents didn’t get along at all but they put on a big show for the public and LE. They were stupidly lucky with their devious plans to dispose of their son’s body. But they haven’t fooled most people by now. They have no conscience.
It seemed like they were both getting rid of baggage. She got rid of her other kids, then convinced Vernal, who was NOT her husband, to go along with a late term abortion of sorts. They did this on their trip to the store. Did anyone ever do a medical evaluation to see if she was actually on her period? They drove back and took off walking to start the “missing” story into action.
I would never just assume someone is going to watch my child. I would make sure that someone is going to care for my child. There’s a lot that goes into someone watching a 2 year old. For example you need to let the caregiver know where the child’s diapers are, if the child already napped, what to feed the child. Where his snacks are located. Let them know to keep a close eye on the child considering the child is only 2 years old. Something is off.
And this couple said at one point they left him with the sick old man and his "friend"? How would you leave a child with one, a total stranger and two, an ill old man? This is very suspicious!
@@garmtpug Some people just assume that anybody they ask will be responsible for their child, at a moment's notice, whether or not they even know the person. This "Watch my baby" scenario has happened to me more times than I care to think about.
Wow. In the beginning, I was under the impression that Jessica & Vernal were walking down to the water - baby DeOrr attempted to follow them, and, one of them brought DeOrr back to the campsite & asked Grandpa & his friend Isaac to keep an eye on DeOrr. Grandpa said he would help keep watch over Baby DeOrr. I never heard about Isaac walking down to the water Jessica & Vernal. Not until very recently. (9/2021)
Thank you for your analysis of this case, Dr. Grande. There is a free documentary here on TH-cam that covers this case, where they interview the parents, called Missing 411. It's the one that was uploaded in 2017. I don't think you have to be a body language expert for red flags to start raising when you see how the father is acting. He is extremely nervous and defensive. Nobody who truly wants their child to be found acts the way these two parents did. They didn't want to do media interviews to get the word out about their child and they were upset with the first private investigator when he wanted to offer thousands of dollars of HIS OWN money as a reward for any leads that led to finding baby DeOrr. Like you mentioned, they keep changing their story. There is another video on this case on Facebook, called "Real Life Nightmare: Horror At The Campground" with another interview and in that video, they showed the raw footage of an interview where the father is coaching the mother on what to say to appear less incriminating. Absolutely no doubt that they know when and how he died, they just don't want anyone else to find out.
Dr Grande, It is not unusual for a mountain lion to grab a small child and disappear without a trace. There was a 3 yr old found 4 years after going missing north of Fort Collins, Colorado. He had been taken from a church group. The remains were in a mountain lion’s den. Searchers didn’t see any sign of a mountain lion in the area. They didn’t find the child, because the den was far up on the side of a cliff. Edit: typo
Well, their suspicious behavior and the fact that every other possible events seems just de facto impossible or just very, very unlikely makes it clear, that the parents have to be somehow involved.
Assuming you’re correct, where’s the body? Where’s the evidence of a death or blood or body? Wouldn’t that require the collusion of the other two adults? So 4 adults just ok with covering up the death of their baby, that by all accounts the love? It doesn’t add up for me 🤷🏼♀️
What about a theory I heard in which the parents decided to do an illegal adoption and have Deorr adopted “off the books” so to speak? What is your opinion on that? Thanks for the video!
I’m glad you chose little DeOrr’s disappearance (allegedly) to analyze - it’s now been 6 years. I saw the first news reports with the mom’s 911 call ~~ She takes her time to finally & calmly say “Ohh. By the way ~ MY TODDLER SON ~ umm ~ We can’t find him” ~ WHAT?? It’s one of the weirdest 911:calls I’ve ever heard. Plus ~ many details given by his parents don’t make sense. Women don’t go very far without tampons; who drives with a toddler (allegedly) at night to a faraway isolated campground??? Was the child even with his parents on the trip? I think DeOrr never made it to the campsite ~ something awful happened to him earlier thus the oddball coverup “last~minute” drive in darkness to the most remote campground in the county. When was the last time anyone else actually saw little DeOrr alive? I don’t think Isaac truly saw him. No photos of DeOrr at the campground exist. I don’t understand why LE has not yet charged at least one of little DeOrr’s parents for Negligence. Dr. G. Your description is very thorough - more so than mom’s & dad’s. I’ve always thought they’ve been successful in their coverup. So Far anyway…..
I have such a strong maternal heart crushing reaction when I see pictures of little DeOrr. He seems so vulnerable so lovable. I wish I could have swooped him up and tucked him under my wings.
I thought it was interesting that the grandmother asked her daughter if she did something with Dior. I can’t imagine my mother ever asking me that. The Grandmother also thought her husband could’ve been negligent and lost the child. Sad all around.
I’m so sick of all these missing children. If you are a parent, you have one priority - look after your children! My kids are the most precious gifts in my life and the thought of any thing happening to them is bad enough, add in any negligence on my part and I just couldn’t bear to live on 😢
I think it was accidental. Chaotic people don't plan & act on impulse re the unexpected trip. The friend always floats an accident scenario & Grandpa always mentions wishing he'd paid more attention . Maybe they left him with Grandpa who was already unwell & he wasn't taking proper care, so an accident occurred & they're covering for Grandpa.
Dior's parents wanted to disconnect themselves from each other for the rest of their lives. Don't know whether Vernon's truck was analised for blood or cadaver dog detection. Another possibility is that they sold the little boy and was handed over somewhere. Its really surprising how quickly they renewed their lifes after 'loosing' their son Dior. My best wishes to Dior whatever he might be. God bless you.
I would love if you could do a video one time explaining polygraphs in general. Exactly what it is they measure and why they are unreliable and pseudoscience. I understand they are not allowed in court unless both parties agree to allowing it prior to taking the test, which if it’s all BS I find strange altogether.
I think legislators should outright ban it as a police tool altogether. I don't even buy that all police know it's pseudoscience but use it as a tool for extracting confessions. I've seen many cases where the police ruled out a person who was guilty of the crime due to "passing" the polygraph, only to later discover proof the person did it.
They are admissible in federal courts and like 20 state courts, as well as most states in pre-trial considerations. Polygraphs aren't as bad as Dr Grande makes them out to be, it just highly depends on the polygraph examiner. The main problem is different examiners may interpret things differently. If they were just a tool for tricking stupid criminals into confessions then the Dept of Defense wouldn't use them when candidates are up for security clearances and the CIA wouldn't use them to screen applicants. I wouldn't trust some local cops or sheriff to give me one, but that isn't because of the polygraph, it's because of the clowns that would be administering it.
Any time a young child goes missing, myriad uninvolved people tend to arrogantly chime in with declarations of how they "would NEVER let _my_ child out of sight long enough to disappear," either because they truly *believe* that or they're in *active denial* about just how easy it is for a baby to wander far enough away to perish from the elements or predatory animals/humans. The phrase "there but for the grace of God, go I" seems to apply here.
This is not to accuse those parents of lying. They likely truly believe they never have/will leave their children unsupervised "long enough" for them to essentially vanish. The issue is that they vastly underestimate how quickly a toddler can get a mile away from their home.
I was just thinking about this case earlier. Imo that poor child is dead and the parents know it, what mother would move out of state if there was even the most remote of possibilities that their missing baby would be found? Nope, she knows that there is nothing to stick around for.
It's been many years. There's next to zero chance DeOrr will ever be found alive. I wouldn't read anything into moving out of the state. People have to move on with their lives at some point.
@@chad3232132 It hadn't been many years when they moved out of State though, it had been one year and the parents hadn't been actively searching for DeOrr for long before that. Their behaviour was never indicative of parents desperately searching for a missing toddler.
@@rx4real253 94% of missing children not found within the first 72 hours are never found alive. By the time you get to a year we're talking essentially no chance he's alive. I'm not sure what good hanging around in a state where everyone is accusing you of killing your kid with no chance he'll be found alive actually it. Even if I were 100% innocent, I'd want to start over somewhere else if I were them. Not saying I don't think they know what happened, only that their action in leaving the state isn't evidence either way.
Dr. Grande! I watch your channel religiously. I am studying forensic psych and your content is very fascinating and your dry humor is hilarious. I also love your podcast!
This video just started and I can't wait to hear what Dr. Grande have to say. I did alot of research and have been broken hearted and angry about this poor child. I remember it being said that the grandfather was not fond of the child. The guy they brought along, he was confused to why he was invited to attend that weekend and if I remember correctly, he lawyered up because he felt they were trying to put blame on him and he told the police quite a bit of information. One being he felt he invited only to be used as a scape goat. An animal managed to carry Dior without knocking off his boots and hat, lol!! Funny not funny! I'm curious to know what kind of life insurance policy they had on Dior? They have to live with themselves for the rest of their lives. I would need to seek professional help and be sedated at all times if I were to accidentally kill anyone! Just horrific!!
Just to play Devil's advocate in regards to scenario#2: a lot of people thought the parents killed that baby that got carried off by a dingo until they found the poor little mite's body in its cave. I'm not by any means defending anyone. I'm just saying strange things are possible and sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
@@LauraLou82 yes, I like Harvey as well (Mrs. Grande is talented!) But I meant the one standing on the floor - the big one. I don't believe I've seen that one before yesterday.
I can't believe one of the parents haven't been charged with this baby boy's disappearance...no one else did this to him..no one else was around or had motive..so sad!!
So…is there any proof DeOrr was ever actually at that campsite? The shop owner never saw him, stories back and forth as to who was supposed to be watching the toddler. What’s suspish to me is was he even there? Or did they go there last minute only to dispose of him because of an incident that happened at home. Although the person who mentioned the Australian women who did NOT kill her child in the early 80s but a dingo did has a point.
Thank you for keeping DeOrr in the news. He deserves justice for his stolen life.
I’m going to hope he ran off to Mexico and began a new life.
@@animula6908 he was 2 years old
The mother sold him.
@@TheGeneral_LUFC to whom? Proof?
@KittyKat what do u mean to whom? Like I know. Its the only one that makes sense. Do u know when klein searched they appt he found the camo jacket that deorr was wearing the day he disappeared wrapped in a plastic bag and buried in a couch. The mother didn't want him. She gave up her other 2 kids. The grandad is in on it. Isaac was brought there just so he can be blamed.
The second that stories become inconsistent or start changing when it involves missing or injured children is ALWAYS extremely concerning and suspicious.
I agree. I can see "additions" to a story, but changes don't make sense (unless you're lying).
Inconsistent statements or stories are red flags for investigators.🤔
@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink Jesus I don't know if this is part of what bothered you but it seems like a lot of people will hear something, misunderstand, and use it as fact, regarding anything but also like when people are talking about psychology related subjects, acting like they completely know what's going on and even vilifying people with it.
@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink Jesus Are you seriously bragging that?
Makes you wonder doesn’t it? But are the inconsistencies due to years passing and memory fading or because they are lying and can’t remember exactly what they said years ago?
Pretty bad sign when you hire two different private investigators who point to you being responsible...
You can't trust anything Klein says. He claims to have confessions, jackets and all kinds of evidence, but he has never presented any of it to police or shown it to anyone.
That would be sort of a red flag 😕
It was the camo clothes and toys found. I would be suspicious too if I was a PI but I would quit working with the parents
AMEN, IF THEY DONT GET THEM HERE, GOD WILL GET THEM!
@@debra6513 there is no god or real justice, but you keep living in fantasy land buttercup.
Everything about this case is inconsistent and strange. For instance:
1- During the trip to the store, they said they got "lost" for nearly an hour, which is ridiculous because there is only one road to town and the the tiny village is only a couple of streets long.
2- They told several lies, for instance, that a beer-truck driver had interacted with Deorr and that the gas station attendant had also interacted with Deorr. Both men were interviewed and both adamantly denied ever seeing Deorr. Why would they make up all the stories about people interacting with Deorr during this shopping trip? It is clear Deorr was not with them, two independent witnesses said the parents were alone. Maybe they got rid of him along the way?
3- One thing that is striking to me is the difference between this case and Maddie McCann's case. The McCanns tried to get as much exposure as possible and never stopped looking for their child, they even met with the pope! These parents, on the other hand, did not want exposure. After the first couple of interviews, they didn't want any more media around, and wanted to forget the incident.
4-Vernal moved out of state and Jessica remarried only a few months later, and was all smiles (kinda like Casey Anthony partying while her child was missing). I've seen many cases of missing children and the parents never stop looking. Maura Murray's dad kept looking for her forever; same with the McCanns. These two, on the other hand, moved on with their lives as quickly as possible.
5- Interestingly, when you listen to some interviews with Jessica, she refers to Deorr using distancing language, calling him "that kid", "little man" or things like that ("that kid was my best friend"). Chris Watts did the same things on interviews ("I want those kids back"). She rarely uses his name nor does she say "my child" or "my son". It's all very distant.
6-Vernal, the father, made remarks like "I want to prove everyone that we're innocent". One would think that his priority would be to find his kid, rather than to prove anything!
7-Did they want to get rid of Deorr and use Isaac as a scapegoat? Otherwise why bring along a guy that you don't know at all and who has a criminal past? Who says “I want to go camping with the family, and it would be a great idea to also invite some stranger who is a weirdo”? Even the grandpa said he didn't trust Isaac and didn't know him well, so why on earth did they bring him?
8-They were deeply in debt and struggling financially, but they decided to spend money on a camping trip?
9-And why go on a camping trip on a Thursday instead of the weekend? Perhaps because the campground would be empty?
10- Jessica did not want this child like she didn't want her previous two kids. There is a picture of her with Deorr and she's giving him such a hateful stare that is unbelievable. She had already given up custody of her two previous kids, and she had tied her tubes. She dumped Vernal a month later and quickly married another guy .The opposite of a grieving mother.
11-Two private investigators, one after the other, offered their help, only to quit shortly thereafter because they felt the parents were uncooperative and deceitful. What are the odds that two detectives would say the same thing?
12-When Jessica and Vernal were evicted from their house, one of the private detectives was granted access by the landlord and he found the boots they said Deorr was wearing. The boots were in the house all along. Another lie by the parents.
I don't know what happened, but when you put all the pieces together, nothing makes sense. The whole thing stinks!
I think they sold the kid..and took the money to start new lives. She figures her kid is with a good family so she's not torn up over it..and Verbal glad to have some pocket change to pay his bills IMO.
The McCanns have made multi millions of dollars from the publicity they generated and were able to pay off their mortgage and travel the world.........
@@juanitarichards1074 The McCanns are both doctors. They weren't short on money to begin with
I wonder if the cops did anything to see if she was actually on her period
@@_HimToo They weren't millionaires and had a mortgage to pay off. They went to a budget resort in the off season so it was cheaper. They could have hired a full time nanny to stay in the apartment with the kids, or at least an overnight babysitter.......they didn't do that.
"The animal was careful not to knock off his oversize cowboy boots..."
What a great point!
And what about the blood on vernal truck? Was it tested?
The changing stories and that these parents moved on with their lives so quickly make them extremely suspicious to me. I can't imagine losing my child and caring about anything but finding him.
Baby deorr was a liability so concocted. BS story to cover up murder. Sudden camp trip but needed feminine supplies. Uh huh.
@Daisy Moo You must not have listened to Dr. Grande. He mentioned several.
You think they dont care? My boy went missing also. I could only search so much before going back to work to pay the bills. 6 months later his body was found in a small case in another county. His killer was caught & confessed. People accused us of not caring, smh.
@@KyleInOklahoma Oh man I’m so sorry for your immense lost. I can’t imagine the pain you have gone true. And guess there is nothing one could say to soothe this pain. But i strongly believe in God almighty and in a afterlife. One day you will be reunited with your beloved child and all pain and suffering shall be forgotten. Peace ☮️!
@Daisy Moo Did you not watch the video?
This one is heartbreaking. The poor little guy. RIP
Yes he was a beautiful child, God bless him☘🇮🇪🧚♂️
When did the precious little man died, did they found the body
I live near Idaho so this story dominated the local news when it happened. I was suspicious from the start. I camped with my kids starting when they were toddlers. I never let them out if my sight, especially if we were camped near a body of water.
I think if DeOrr had been anywhere around that campsite, he would have been found.
It's rather incredible that no charges have been made in this case.
@@richneuman9113 - I know. I really hope his body if found one day soon.
We are in Washington, and we were camping too when this happened. It was scary.
I agree. Toddlers only wander off so far before they would just sit down and start crying until someone found them. Poor little guy 😢
I'm from Idaho Falls. My family has rental property and few years before this Jessica actually rented from us. She had I think 2 other kids then that she lost custody of. She and her then bf were a mess.
“If disorganization were helium, her parents would be floating.” I come here for the poetry.
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I love it. Had a good laugh...😜
Sounds like me but you’d also hear Donald Duck.
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I come here for this shade. Also, I love how he basically called them too stupid to cover things up terribly well.
All the times we have camped and hiked I never took my eyes off my kid. You just don’t, especially a two year old. Thanks Dr G.
Between my wife and I, we never took our eyes off of our kids until they started attending school. We never even hired a babysitter. Better Safe than Sorry! It's crazy times.
This is so true. Never just assume.
Same. Every vacation they are under constant watch. It's exhausting, but welcome to parenting.
@@istateyourname4710 Yes 👍
OF COURSE you do! You look away for a few seconds when you're checking if the food is done, or when you're in the bathroom, or when you share a tender look with your spouse, or when the kid is tucked into his sleeping bag asleep and you go outside the tent to enjoy the campfire a bit longer. There are ALWAYS moments when you're not actually looking at the child. Of course, you keep it brief and infrequent, and you're keeping your ears on the child when you can't see him/her. But you are not being honest with yourself if you say you never take your eyes off for a second.
Even if the parents didn't kill him, they were at least negligent
How
It does sound or appear so.🤔
@@polarbearsrus6980 Not necessarily. Caylee Anthony was only like 3 when she was kidnapped and apparently later died but Casey probably only lost her and wasn't involved. Good parents can make honest mistakes.
@@chad3232132 Casey Anthony WAS responsible for her daughter's disappearance & death i am sure! Her parents were suspicious too..because they did something to try to cover for their daughter. Casey Anthony was only interested in herself & her new boyfriend. 🤒
@@libralillyknits They went to check out a fishing site and left their very active (the father's description of him) two year old with the mother's 76-year-old grandfather, who could hardly move and had an oxygen tank, and a 35 year old dude who was a COMPLETE STRANGER to them. He was apparently the grandfather's "friend," but even the grandfather admitted he didn't trust him! How is that NOT being negligent?
I mean, it turned out that the woman who claimed a "dingo ate my baby" was probably telling the truth, though we wouldn't realize that until 30+ years later from the initial event. Anything is possible, but the parents seem pretty suspect in this case.
She WAS telling the truth , they found the baby's jumpsuit , .
I watched a documentary about her and she got a really rough ride. However I dont think she ever changed her story. These guys however, highly sus
She was cleared and was telling the truth.. This family here is full of it.. When you're child goes missing, you don't forget the story AT ALL.. You know exactly what happened. They have 7 different stories but, I do understand what you're saying.. Unfortunately it's the constant changing of their story that is the issue..
I was thinking the same thing. This reminds me of the "dingo ate my baby" case as well. Which is such a sad story, I feel terrible for what that mother went through. Although my gut says that in this case, the family did do something shady.
She was *definitely* telling the truth. But it’s not like that case really, which happened at night where there were loads of dingos. Some people always believed Lindy Chamberlain, just not the majority. I doubt anyone believes these two.
Love how Dr. Grande’s speculations are absolutely, “nah, I smell BS; better luck next time pal.” Always gives some good insight and really makes you think about all sides of the situation. Keep speculating sir, this really sheds light on human behavior and has us fans taking a deeper dive on these cases.
Your Irish...am I right...I'm right 😏
The "pal" very dublish 😂🇮🇪
Or maybe Brooklyn!
He needs to run the impeach hearing. Would completely bury the red hat traitors
Doc continues to be the leading authory on small to medium cacti 🌵
How 'bout big shadow additions!
Thanks to Doc I now have my own prickly family ☺️
@@Truth1561 Hahaha love it, Sue.
LOL 😆😆😆😆👍
I like the cacti too! 🦋
Whether they are guilty or not. . . they have to live with the constant threat of facing justice. . . Great line Dr Grande! Thank you for your analysis!💖💖
I thought it was weird their were never any soiled diapers found around the camp or cars etc.
I would quite like to see a video about the history of Polygraphs by Dr Grande.
Yeah!
yeah we know he would love that ! it would be riddled with sarcastic dry humor
They can do brain scans to prove if someone is lying now. I have no idea why they don't use them
@Mack Nikko I fifth that motion! Plllzzzz @Dr. Todd Grande
@Mack Nikko lol yes
What a strange story, I can't imagine that poor child disappearing like he did. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande, hopefully the truth will come out one day.
If you watch Dr. Donna Seriphina she states that the bear drug him into his den. She has a u-tube channel 🙏💔
@@donnawalker8352 the doctor psychic reverend? haha this oughtta be good =)
There's a few good videos of the story and interviews on this case.
@@michelekossack1861 I thought of the case in Australia, too. There are similarities. It doesn't make sense that everyone would go along with covering up a murder.
@@donnawalker8352 Take that with a grain of salt, if you will. I live in the northern mountain region of Idaho. Bear attacks across the country, much less fatal attacks are not as common as people think (with wyoming reportedly taking #1 spot with attacks.) That being said, yes, there are cases of bear attacks and it is a possibility...unlikely, but a possibility none the less.
Here is what the 'justice for baby deorr' website has to say:
"A new psychic reading has been made for Deorr, claiming his case has been solved, which has confused many. We would like to say that while this new reading that says Baby Deorr was taken and killed by a bear, that we are open to all theories and readings for Baby Deorr, but he has not been found yet, so take the solved part lightly and continue hoping for him to be found.
*Meantime in January 2021, Donna the Psychic has created her very own Deorr page for more gain to her pocket. Again Deorr is still missing and his case is NOT solved. Please believe the facts this page holds. The TRUTH is how this case will be solved."
Somebody got away with murder of an innocent child, then move on like it never happened. The parents should be neutered.
Thank you Dr. Grande🌵🌵🌵🌵
She had another kid with the new husband. I hope he has a good life. I think the father did something, maybe accidentally. Then hid the body when he 'went to the store'.
Yup..kill bury under debri...wait..collect insurance $$$$$$$$$$$$$ move on...breed again in a few years when money runs low and people forget what you did
Since they aren’t together anymore, might be a good time to pressure one to rat the other out. As a mother, I was always the one with my hand on my babies. Not dad, not grandma, not boyfriend etc. my babies.
@@tinawindham6958 They have, immunities were offered. Neither one signed the offers, literally for Jessica they offered parenting courses and probation, if she revealed the location of a body.
The accusations of internet sleuths are not evidence of the Kunz' characters, it's evidence of the ugliness of society. Possibly evidence of dark subconsciouses too, from some of the macabre and detailed theories.
@@GrimSleepy There’s always a few gullible people who don’t use their critical thinking.
IMO, the only reason they brought the grandfather and friend were to misdirect the police investigation - give the police someone else to investigate and blame. This case has always bothered me, to many changes to their stories which is always a red-flag.
Changes and Contradictions. I’m glad I’m not LE in Lemhi County. What a mess.
I definitely think you’re onto something with the friend- they wanted him to take the blame if cops realized it was a homicide. I can’t imagine trying to put the blame on my elderly parent though… that seems too far even for monsters. However, if they are guilty I 100% would not put it past them
Your sword of analysis and critical thinking is sharper than ever! It is a pleasure to watch these videos and I always learn from them.
I see what you did there!
@@bthomson He cuts right to it!
Dr. Grande is very sharp with wit, tongue and cheek! Lol 😜
@@elanahammer1076 And dress!
Vernal said in a TV interview: "I will never stop searching for my son."
Then he moved to Las Vegas
I work with DeOrr’s grandmother. She called some guys that she knew well and had camped with. As they were loading up four wheelers, they received a call not to show up. Why would anyone not want men and women who spend their off time camping and hunting. It’s heartbreaking to watch the grandmother live through this living nightmare.
I usually need to see a title before I decide if I wanna watch a video. Dr. Grande’s are the only ones I’ll watch just based on the channel.
Parents are very suspicious. The poor baby didn’t get a chance to live,
Another great video Dr Grande!!!
This whole event sounds too well planned. Bring an acquaintance and an elderly man who uses supplemental oxygen and whose mentation is questionable to a family camping excursion?? The boy goes missing and everyone is saying, "I thought that he was with you!" Stories and memories are sketchy at best, and change at worst. Find the motive for wanting the child gone and you'll find out the who, what, where and how.
Don't forget about the "when".
@@jasonharris1636 I knew that I forgot one! Thanks! 😊
Who brings an old man and a friend with them, if they're planning on murdering their child? Something happened, I just don't think it was planned.
The grandfather's questionable mental state is what makes it seem genuinely to have been an accident.
Why would they count on him to bolster their supposedly fake story?
Unfortunately, mishaps like this happen every single day.
Similar to a child drowning in a pool surrounded by family: it's not outside the realm of possibility for everyone involved to have truly believed the baby was being watched by someone else.
Your right on the money Bring two idiots as a cover no mystery here parents guilty as hell
"The sword of Damocles" Nice classical reference, Dr. Grande! It fits their reality perfectly.
Well, two of his cacti are named Hector an Achilles…
@@aileenburke4667 I'm interested to know if he talks to his plants, and if so, what does he say to them? Particularly the cactus.🌵
Am pretty sure the little boy didn't go on this spontaneous trip at all. One of his parents killed DeOrr, probably in a fit of anger, and they took along the other two people as "witnesses" to their story. If you watch true crime stories about children who got lost in the woods, large numbers of viewers believe there are always kidnappers and wild animals lurking around, ready to pounce any minute. Never mind by far the most likely explanations are 1) the child just got lost -- very easy to do -- had an accident, and fell into a place where his body could not be seen, or 2) the parents killed the child, and took the body out to the wilderness to dispose of it. I'd bet big money that DeOrr's parents had seen shows like that before, and thought "here's a plan!"
The boy was at camp site . You Isaac credible and police also believe so. All four conspiring? No way. Parents started publicly accusing grandpa and Issac
Issac telling truth Bob old and sick Parents got rid of him that night or on their way to town
Let me know what you think 🤔
In interviews, they honestly don't come over as bright enough to plan the week's meals never mind a murder . Plus a cadaver dog alerted there as did sniffer dogs. I'd say accidental death covered up.
The following is only a mere theory:
The 35yo friend, Isaac, was brought along as a patsy. The plan fell away though: not only did he not hear what the mom called to him, he didn't even hear her at all. Unless he has a hearing impairment, then she never called out to him. That story sounds so weak anyway. Not thought out at all or just stupid reasoning.
Boy is either dead or illegally adopted by another couple. I'm not seeing grief, so am leaning toward the adoption.
At 43, I don't have any kids that I helped make. But I've had the privilege and honor to have helped raise several kids of varying ages. I virtually never let the young ones out of my sight, but as you real parents know, the couple times one slipped away for a minute, I was an absolute WRECK. So this one stings a bit
I had not heard that the parents both remarried and moved out of state. I have been suspicious of the parents from the very beginning. I had not heard they had both remarried and moved away. I know each person/family reacts differently, but it is not uncommon at all for parents to turn a child's room into a shrine, not change their phone number (for older children who might remember the #) or refuse to change any number of things with the faintest hope of the child returning home. Something happened and they were lucky enough, though they probably think it was because they are smart enough, to get away with the crime. Sometimes, criminals just happen to do everything right by accident. Sad.
yeah sometimes the bad guys win
This is a case where virtually the entire public felt sure they were murderers and treated them as such. Maybe they did kill their kid, or cover up his death, but even if I were completely innocent, I can't blame them for wanting to relocate given the level of hatred directed at them. The not changing their numbers thing is mainly parents of a child who was old enough to remember a phone number when he went missing. This kid was 2 years old and wouldn't remember a phone number or address. If a child goes missing and isn't found within 72 hours where's about a 95% chance the child is never found. Probably even higher given where this happened. By the time they moved away, there was essentially zero chance DeOrr was going to be found alive. Not every person wants to set up some shrine to make themselves depressed every time they walk past their child's old room.
yea 8 months later the both remarried. so the boy isnt even missing for 1 year and they both are meeting new boyfriends/girlfriends, going out on dates and getting married. i'm wondering if they each had wonderful joyous wedding ceremonies. like you said everyone reacts differently but 8 months seems way too soon. i saw the missing 411 movie about this case and i didnt even really suspect the parents, i kinda did but like the last on the list. now im rethinking it and may watch it again
I don't think they were married to begin with. And it isn't unusual for a couple to split after the loss of a child. The shared trauma is too much and they cannot move on together.
@@gristamshackleford2102 I honestly don't think that case belonged anywhere near that topic, let alone having any place in that movie, what a crock of crap!!!🤦🤦😡😡 That kid was either killed or perhaps sold (makes sense if the parents needed money so bad) they showed such a lack of caring, lack of emotion.... Suspicious vibes for sure and reeks of bs imo I hope that trash doesn't reproduce again, either one of um!!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬
I've followed this case for a few years now. So sad. Caregivers shirking responsibility, and no one has enough integrity to honour the poor little boy's memory...
i've followed it also, since it happened. it mystifies me. such a cute kiddo.
Thank you Dr Grande for reviewing this case. It’s heartbreaking.
I use your videos to get through my day. Thank you for everything you do. No one does it like Dr. Grande!
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hey, noooooot to be a creep or anything haha but you have amazingly pretty eyes =) great picture conposition, with the shadows and light contrasting... just wanted to mention that **tips nonexistent hat** hope you're smillin' friend.
More flirting!
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface Thanks! I hope you’re smiling too :)
@@bthomson haha really? I was just paying her a well deserved compliment, i wouldnt consider it to be flirting at all, nor did I intend for it to be taken that way haha =)
I love it when an expert, in any field, uses the "Sword of Damocles" to illustrate a point, particularly a winning point. It immediately creates a vivid picture in my mind and I almost always end up agreeing with that person.
Wasn't there a condition on Damocles' sword? Like Damocles was a king who lived under duress in that the military would kill him if he failed them? Something like that. Doesn't apply here.
@@Jimmy911ism a simple Google search will clarify this for you.
As soon as it came across our news here in Idaho, we knew that the parents were/are suspects. If two separate private detectives, hired by the parents quit because they feel the parents are lying and being deceptive….. they are definitely suspects.
I just wish those detectives that were suspicious of the parents did not quit but rather that they played along and dug deeper and took all evidence to the police. If there is some law that states if you work for someone that you can not hand over evidence because you are taking money from them, then say to them, no that is o.k. I will work for you for free just to help. I wish some detective would offer their services, not for them but for Deorr.
This case is very similar to Summer Wells case? Disappearing with out a trace! Its mind boggling how he just disappeared.
Really only to the degree that both were apparently in remote/sparsely inhabited places when the "vanished." I'd say the chances of death caused by someone outside the family is *much* higher in the Summer Wells case than this one. In fact, I lean (slightly) towards Summer Wells not being killed by someone inside the home, while I see little chance De'Orr's outcome was anything other than death by the parents or one of the other two people with them (with accidental or negligent death more likely than premeditated murder).
I thought thr very same thing..
Very similar to Summer! We don't know what happened to the children but the parents definitely know and covered it up.
I e always thought that something was off with this story. lad you're covering this Doc, thank you.
Maybe that missing G is for Grande!
Missed the v in I've, too. I was excited because I watched a documentary about this story and have followed it. It's crazy, right?
I don’t know these parents or have any affiliation with them but I just felt the need to respond on your comments about grief and how the mom got married 8 months after the disappearance of Dior. We humans have a hard time dealing with pain like grief and it’s not at all uncommon for a grieving person to jump into a relationship because they are trying everything in their power to feel better and to get away from the pain of heartache . Nothing works but we still try .
Thank you so much for a “no fluff” cases! You get straight to story and facts. Keep up the good work!
I think they brought Issac with them to blame him TBH. They weren't close and the way they aggressively attacked his character when he is the only one who's story didn't change is sus
I believe the theory that the boy never even made it to the trip. That they did something to him before they even went and used the trip as an excuse for him to go missing.
Have u read or seen the show based on the cry? I got those vibes from this. Setting up this elaborate scene to make it seem like the child was alive and with them when in reality *spoiler alert* the child was already dead and buried.
@@mamacito1795 no I haven’t, how can I find it?
Sometimes I read old newspapers for fun. There were so many children who 'ran away' or 'disappeared.' It makes me wonder how many parents have got away with murder over the years. I'm glad we live in an age where unsolved child disappearances are the exception rather than the rule.
I was thinking of DeOrr the other day. Such a sad story, poor little guy. :-(
Such an odd case. Makes me incredibly sad for little Deorr and for the missing adopted brothers Orson and Orrin. How can children just up and vanish like this in today's world??
This story has always been a big mystery for me. If the parent(s) did this, they won't be able to hide from justice for long. With so many "no body" cases going to trial, it's not as unusual as it used to be.
Thanks, Dr. Grande! 💙💙💙
Why is this even remotely considered a "mystery"? The entire event was arranged from beginning to end by the "parents" to get rid of the kid. The jacket he supposedly wore on that trip was found in the "parents'" apartment when they were evicted from their apartment.
@@maxalberts2003 you do realize he could have more than one camouflage jacket? JS
I lived in Idaho Falls area for a little over a decade and I've been to Leadore due to my first husband being an avid sportsman. It would be pretty easy to lose track of anyone in the wilderness or "out in the middle of nowhere " areas that are common here in Idaho. I don't understand why these people didn't have DeOrr in their sights at all times. I've known parents to put small children in harnesses while enjoying the great outdoors. I remember this case when it happened and I don't know if the parents had anything to do with the poor child's disappearance but they were clearly incredibly negligent.
I put my daughter in a harness when she was 1-3 yrs old. She began life running! She walked early, was very tiny & beautiful, never met a stranger…etc. She also was a born Houdini so I found a harness that zipped up the back. Children are so easily lost or get away from you.
Who gets an elderly man who is on oxygen to babysit? There is no way he could physically take care of that little boy.
I ‘ve been watching this story because it was featured on David Paulides Missing 411 documentary’s. I would love to finally really know what happen to that sweet boy.
This weighed on my mind also,
Missing 411🤔 that is…
My belief is they counted on his being feeble, if you will. And agree with what the parents said.. So as not to look completely dotty.
They said the boy was with him and he agreed.
I honestly don't believe he was alive. Placing a deseased child wrapped in blankets in a car seat. The others can say. Yes he was there. Not realizing the truth. That has been my belief anyway. Just horrible how children are so disposable these days.
I really hate it when people give their kid a name that they are going to have to constantly spell out to people their entire lives. It's not cute, it's not creative...it's narcassistic to stick someone with a lifetime problem.
This isn't one of those randomly made up name or a goofy spelling. This name goes way back.
Also, I have a very common name & still have to spell it every time. Common name with 3 or 4 equally common spellings.
Oh I'll tell ya human beings are completely terrifying.
Yep. Humans are much more sinister than whatever else might be lurking in the forest.
@@LeeDee5 This is true. I recall watching that documentary Grizzly Man and being shocked at just how much it takes to get a bear to maul you. The guy had zero knowledge of wildlife and it took years of acting stupid around bears to get one to eat him. It's actually quite a bit harder to get yourself killed in the wilderness than people generally think. On the other hand, it is *very* easy to die from other human beings.
True. We are the reason the human race is in a world of hurt.
When you can’t think of anything funny to say, Dr. Grande uploads sagacious content just about everyday at the perfect time 👍
Serious with a few witticisms. Perfect.
Yasss! So excited to hear this! I have ALWAYS gotten terrible vibes from these people, especially the mother. They never even say his name, just "little man", like Lonzie Barton's "mother".
I hate it when people call they baby sons "little man". It's really impersonal and almost sounds as if the parent does not want to have the responsibility of a baby and would prefer he was grown. It's weird.
@@garmtpug YES thank you. I hate it too, I thought I was the only one who thinks it's weird & stupid
@@heathernikki5734 I'll bet a lot of people feel the same way, but just don't realize it until someone brings it up. :-)
@@garmtpug it's just one of those innocuous pet names. Sure you're probably right in some cases, especially this one, but I feel like it's mostly innocent.
It's like when people call their partner 'baby', it's not like they secretly wish their better half was a baby. At least I hope not.
@@garmtpug you "hate" it? You are filled to the brim with hatred when someone calls a kid "little man?" Are you also full of hatred when they say "young man?" Seems pretty silly.
Hey Dr. Grande💖 I've delved DEEP into this case & I personally don't think DeOrr was ever there....
I 100% agree with you
Im pretty sure they found a boot or something like that, the parents said he was wearing when he went missing in their home.
@@sheilacooper8361 ~THANK YOUUUU GIRL!! I'm a forensic psychologist and I go from prison to prison and deal with the worst of the worst kind of offenders including rapists, child molesters, murderers, serial killers Ect. & Considering I stare into the face of killers every single day, I can literally look at their faces in the interviews that they've done and see nothing but straight guilt!!💯
I don't know that they intentionally killed him. I question that. But I do think something happened that they're covering up.
@@sheilacooper8361 ~I don't know about the boot but I know 100% fact that they did find the camo jacket that they claimed he was wearing when they went on the camping trip....
From your information these two “ parents” seemed to be more interested in shopping and finding a creek with big fish, than being concerned about their child.
So very sad an innocent child lost his life through neglect
Not neglect murder
Thanks for casting light on this, the first time I saw them in Missing 411 I was extremely suspicious of their behavior and story. Had to be the parents...
I had to watch this twice bc Dr Grande's voice is so soothing I fell asleep
Hello, Dr. Grande. This is so upsetting! That poor little Baby! I don't trust the parents. How can you Not watch a 2 year old BABY?? Thank You, Dr. Grande 💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏
Because they didn't want to go public, due to exactly what they knew would happen. Public opinion from inaccurate media reporting and media's own beliefs before or irrelevant to the facts.
It happens everyday.
I would love to see Dr. Grande do an analysis of the Ray Gricar case. Ray Gricar was a district attorney from Centre County, PA who went out one morning after telling his live-in girlfriend he'd be home sometime in the afternoon. He seemingly vanished. His computer hard drive was found in a nearby creek near the last place he was seen, and his car, a mini Cooper, was left in the vicinity as well.
When the parents refused to work with the media and get their son’s story out, I knew they did something. Most parents of missing children are begging the media to help them get the story out about their missing child. Regardless of the truth, I just hope he didn’t suffer.
Masterful analysis by Dr. G. I can still see the little chap stomping around in those cowboy boots. I believe the parents plotted to kill him, and to use Issac as a scapegoat.
That's really the only idea that makes any sense whatsoever.
Why in God's name would the parents want to kill little DeOrr? He was taken by an animal and dragged into a hideout no one ever found.
We’re You Born yesterday??? Parents kill their kids about every 5 seconds in this world!
I have to admit when my son was a toddler our extended family was camping. It was my turn to cook breakfast and my father-in-law had my son. He thought son had followed me back to the other campsite acrossed the road. My son was missing for about 1 minute and it was the worst minute of my life. That was 14 years ago and I thank God nothing happened to my baby.. moral of the story is, it can happen to anyone I just hope that who ever did something to that baby pays for it sooner or later!
This is probably my favorite video from you , second only to the staircase deaths by that gang of owls 🦉 OG fans know which video
Hi Dr Grande. Have you heard of the Serenity Dennard case? 9 y/o girl runs away from a children's care home in the mountains, never to be seen again. Lots of rumors about what could have happened and what was going on at that facility. Would be very interested to hear your take on it~!
Dr. G, you're a madman with all the content. You're also really helping diagnose myself with mental disorders. I know I know, you fully support self diagnosis and I couldn't agree more. :) Plus you've been turning some comedy gold lately too. Thanks for all the videos.
You can't self diagnose yourself. Where's your degree?
Be careful self diagnosing. one could see oneself in so many illnesses 😅
Excellent Dr. Grande as usual. Love your reasoning and intelligence. Hope justice is served for that innocent little boy.
My guess is that it was an accident caused by their own neglect or abuse. They didn't mean for him to die but are culpable in his death. Everything after is a panicked and callous attempt to avoid punishment.
Agreed. The parents didn’t get along at all but they put on a big show for the public and LE. They were stupidly lucky with their devious plans to dispose of their son’s body. But they haven’t fooled most people by now. They have no conscience.
It seemed like they were both getting rid of baggage. She got rid of her other kids, then convinced Vernal, who was NOT her husband, to go along with a late term abortion of sorts. They did this on their trip to the store. Did anyone ever do a medical evaluation to see if she was actually on her period? They drove back and took off walking to start the “missing” story into action.
I would never just assume someone is going to watch my child. I would make sure that someone is going to care for my child. There’s a lot that goes into someone watching a 2 year old. For example you need to let the caregiver know where the child’s diapers are, if the child already napped, what to feed the child. Where his snacks are located. Let them know to keep a close eye on the child considering the child is only 2 years old. Something is off.
This is so true! But unfortunately parents range along a spectrum from great to poor.
And this couple said at one point they left him with the sick old man and his "friend"? How would you leave a child with one, a total stranger and two, an ill old man? This is very suspicious!
@@garmtpug Some people just assume that anybody they ask will be responsible for their child, at a moment's notice, whether or not they even know the person. This "Watch my baby" scenario has happened to me more times than I care to think about.
@@rudra62 That's really scary when you think about it!
@@garmtpug Quite scary. Especially when the child being dumped off on a *disabled* stranger who is not capable of running after them.
Wow. In the beginning, I was under the impression that Jessica & Vernal were walking down to the water - baby DeOrr attempted to follow them, and, one of them brought DeOrr back to the campsite & asked Grandpa & his friend Isaac to keep an eye on DeOrr.
Grandpa said he would help keep watch over Baby DeOrr.
I never heard about Isaac walking down to the water Jessica & Vernal. Not until very recently. (9/2021)
Thank you for your analysis of this case, Dr. Grande. There is a free documentary here on TH-cam that covers this case, where they interview the parents, called Missing 411. It's the one that was uploaded in 2017. I don't think you have to be a body language expert for red flags to start raising when you see how the father is acting. He is extremely nervous and defensive. Nobody who truly wants their child to be found acts the way these two parents did. They didn't want to do media interviews to get the word out about their child and they were upset with the first private investigator when he wanted to offer thousands of dollars of HIS OWN money as a reward for any leads that led to finding baby DeOrr. Like you mentioned, they keep changing their story. There is another video on this case on Facebook, called "Real Life Nightmare: Horror At The Campground" with another interview and in that video, they showed the raw footage of an interview where the father is coaching the mother on what to say to appear less incriminating. Absolutely no doubt that they know when and how he died, they just don't want anyone else to find out.
These people, the parents are heartless! Great analysis Dr. Grande, thank you ♥
Dr Grande, It is not unusual for a mountain lion to grab a small child and disappear without a trace. There was a 3 yr old found 4 years after going missing north of Fort Collins, Colorado. He had been taken from a church group. The remains were in a mountain lion’s den. Searchers didn’t see any sign of a mountain lion in the area. They didn’t find the child, because the den was far up on the side of a cliff.
Edit: typo
No his remains was found on a log up the side of a mountain.
Well, their suspicious behavior and the fact that every other possible events seems just de facto impossible or just very, very unlikely makes it clear, that the parents have to be somehow involved.
Assuming you’re correct, where’s the body? Where’s the evidence of a death or blood or body? Wouldn’t that require the collusion of the other two adults? So 4 adults just ok with covering up the death of their baby, that by all accounts the love? It doesn’t add up for me 🤷🏼♀️
What about a theory I heard in which the parents decided to do an illegal adoption and have Deorr adopted “off the books” so to speak? What is your opinion on that? Thanks for the video!
Exactly..they got a pretty penny I suspect..they were breaking up anyway..maybe her new husband was the broker. Js.
My opinion on that is that the boy would have surfaced somewhere if he'd been sold to people who actually wanted to give him a good life.
This story was featured in a "Missing 411" documentary.
I’m glad you chose little DeOrr’s disappearance (allegedly) to analyze - it’s now been 6 years. I saw the first news reports with the mom’s 911 call ~~ She takes her time to finally & calmly say “Ohh. By the way ~ MY TODDLER SON ~ umm ~ We can’t find him” ~ WHAT?? It’s one of the weirdest 911:calls I’ve ever heard. Plus ~ many details given by his parents don’t make sense. Women don’t go very far without tampons; who drives with a toddler (allegedly) at night to a faraway isolated campground??? Was the child even with his parents on the trip?
I think DeOrr never made it to the campsite ~ something awful happened to him earlier thus the oddball coverup “last~minute” drive in darkness to the most remote campground in the county. When was the last time anyone else actually saw little DeOrr alive? I don’t think Isaac truly saw him. No photos of DeOrr at the campground exist.
I don’t understand why LE has not yet charged at least one of little DeOrr’s parents for Negligence.
Dr. G. Your description is very thorough - more so than mom’s & dad’s. I’ve always thought they’ve been successful in their coverup. So Far anyway…..
Poor little guy.
I think he was dead long before the camping trip.
Thank you Dr. Grande!!!
I have such a strong maternal heart crushing reaction when I see pictures of little DeOrr. He seems so vulnerable so lovable. I wish I could have swooped him up and tucked him under my wings.
I thought it was interesting that the grandmother asked her daughter if she did something with Dior. I can’t imagine my mother ever asking me that. The Grandmother also thought her husband could’ve been negligent and lost the child. Sad all around.
I’m so sick of all these missing children. If you are a parent, you have one priority - look after your children! My kids are the most precious gifts in my life and the thought of any thing happening to them is bad enough, add in any negligence on my part and I just couldn’t bear to live on 😢
Yea, they did it. Mainly focused on the "trip being unexpected". Also, I believe I'm super late, but congrats on 800k! Thanks for teaching us, Doc!
I think it was accidental. Chaotic people don't plan & act on impulse re the unexpected trip. The friend always floats an accident scenario & Grandpa always mentions wishing he'd paid more attention . Maybe they left him with Grandpa who was already unwell & he wasn't taking proper care, so an accident occurred & they're covering for Grandpa.
@@sarahholland2600 Yo, my for being late. I never would've thought of it like that. Preciate the clean observation!
Mom and dad definitely did it
Dior's parents wanted to disconnect themselves from each other for the rest of their lives. Don't know whether Vernon's truck was analised for blood or cadaver dog detection.
Another possibility is that they sold the little boy and was handed over somewhere.
Its really surprising how quickly they renewed their lifes after 'loosing' their son Dior. My best wishes to Dior whatever he might be. God bless you.
I think DeOrr was sold too.
I would love if you could do a video one time explaining polygraphs in general. Exactly what it is they measure and why they are unreliable and pseudoscience. I understand they are not allowed in court unless both parties agree to allowing it prior to taking the test, which if it’s all BS I find strange altogether.
I think legislators should outright ban it as a police tool altogether. I don't even buy that all police know it's pseudoscience but use it as a tool for extracting confessions. I've seen many cases where the police ruled out a person who was guilty of the crime due to "passing" the polygraph, only to later discover proof the person did it.
They are admissible in federal courts and like 20 state courts, as well as most states in pre-trial considerations. Polygraphs aren't as bad as Dr Grande makes them out to be, it just highly depends on the polygraph examiner. The main problem is different examiners may interpret things differently. If they were just a tool for tricking stupid criminals into confessions then the Dept of Defense wouldn't use them when candidates are up for security clearances and the CIA wouldn't use them to screen applicants. I wouldn't trust some local cops or sheriff to give me one, but that isn't because of the polygraph, it's because of the clowns that would be administering it.
Hi Dr. Grande, thank you for these videos. I hope to go into counseling someday and I find your content very fascinating.
Alaskan here- yes a large animal absolutely could take a small child without losing boots and no blood.
been waiting for you to do this case. THANK YOU !!!!
Hello and good day Dr. Grande. Good to hear from you as always :)
Why on earth do we still use/rely on lie detector tests? I really don't understand the reason.
I am so glad you’re covering this case. Thank you, Dr. Grande!!
Ohh the shade from that huge helium balloon is so huge🤣🤣 I enjoy the dry humor and your bull$h1t detector is incredible.
I remember this story, great choice Dr Grande, you never disappoint your viewers.
Any time a young child goes missing, myriad uninvolved people tend to arrogantly chime in with declarations of how they "would NEVER let _my_ child out of sight long enough to disappear," either because they truly *believe* that or they're in *active denial* about just how easy it is for a baby to wander far enough away to perish from the elements or predatory animals/humans.
The phrase "there but for the grace of God, go I" seems to apply here.
This is not to accuse those parents of lying.
They likely truly believe they never have/will leave their children unsupervised "long enough" for them to essentially vanish.
The issue is that they vastly underestimate how quickly a toddler can get a mile away from their home.
I was just thinking about this case earlier. Imo that poor child is dead and the parents know it, what mother would move out of state if there was even the most remote of possibilities that their missing baby would be found? Nope, she knows that there is nothing to stick around for.
It's been many years. There's next to zero chance DeOrr will ever be found alive. I wouldn't read anything into moving out of the state. People have to move on with their lives at some point.
@@chad3232132 It hadn't been many years when they moved out of State though, it had been one year and the parents hadn't been actively searching for DeOrr for long before that. Their behaviour was never indicative of parents desperately searching for a missing toddler.
@@rx4real253 94% of missing children not found within the first 72 hours are never found alive. By the time you get to a year we're talking essentially no chance he's alive. I'm not sure what good hanging around in a state where everyone is accusing you of killing your kid with no chance he'll be found alive actually it. Even if I were 100% innocent, I'd want to start over somewhere else if I were them. Not saying I don't think they know what happened, only that their action in leaving the state isn't evidence either way.
I have searched longer for a cat than they did for their kid, get real they are so guilty it stinks!!!
Dr. Grande! I watch your channel religiously. I am studying forensic psych and your content is very fascinating and your dry humor is hilarious. I also love your podcast!
This video just started and I can't wait to hear what Dr. Grande have to say. I did alot of research and have been broken hearted and angry about this poor child. I remember it being said that the grandfather was not fond of the child. The guy they brought along, he was confused to why he was invited to attend that weekend and if I remember correctly, he lawyered up because he felt they were trying to put blame on him and he told the police quite a bit of information. One being he felt he invited only to be used as a scape goat. An animal managed to carry Dior without knocking off his boots and hat, lol!! Funny not funny! I'm curious to know what kind of life insurance policy they had on Dior? They have to live with themselves for the rest of their lives. I would need to seek professional help and be sedated at all times if I were to accidentally kill anyone! Just horrific!!
Soo kind of you.
This poor little l e boy and kyron horman
Your videos are so informative & enjoyable - your mixture of humor, intelligence & case facts is so unique & refreshing.
Thanks for covering this one Dr.G !!
In the case of a missing child, any parent who refuses to have a reward posted is beyond sketchy.
Just to play Devil's advocate in regards to scenario#2: a lot of people thought the parents killed that baby that got carried off by a dingo until they found the poor little mite's body in its cave.
I'm not by any means defending anyone. I'm just saying strange things are possible and sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
Isaac did a polygraph and full interview when he was told to by his atty. His story has never wavered!
I love the standing cactus in the far right corner of the video! I noticed it in the last video, and I'm glad it's sticking around! 😊🌵
That’s Harvey 2 face, a firm favourite! He’s different on the other side and was made by Mrs Grande 😊
@@LauraLou82 yes, I like Harvey as well (Mrs. Grande is talented!) But I meant the one standing on the floor - the big one. I don't believe I've seen that one before yesterday.
Bingo! Very perceptive!
Your standing humor is well liked..😂💚😂
@@stephaniekanoun4409 That's a new one. He hasn't named it, yet. He should name it Mr. Big.
I can't believe one of the parents haven't been charged with this baby boy's disappearance...no one else did this to him..no one else was around or had motive..so sad!!
Idaho DOESNT Like negative attention and the authorities here have no experience, and they are lazy!
So…is there any proof DeOrr was ever actually at that campsite? The shop owner never saw him, stories back and forth as to who was supposed to be watching the toddler. What’s suspish to me is was he even there? Or did they go there last minute only to dispose of him because of an incident that happened at home. Although the person who mentioned the Australian women who did NOT kill her child in the early 80s but a dingo did has a point.