I thought the same. My mechanic didn't even bother to bolt the caliper back on my driver's side brakes he turned and replaced the padding on. Christian went above and beyond. It also sounds like the girlfriend and the roommate were genuinely good people. I am sure they will all have guilt nagging at them, and none of it is their fault. The situation is sad.
Okay Christian was great but what if… This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
Not all heroes wear capes. Christian went above and beyond, looking out for his fellow human. Props to this guy and his parents for raising a decent & honourable citizen.
But Christian was not able or equipped to bring about a good outcome. This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
@@alicegoesnomad8448 I don't see why defunding the police and having a more diverse array of assistance available need to go hand in hand. Personally I'd rather have better funded police and better funded social assistance alternatives.
But… This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic who followed him down the highway for 10 miles. Is that what you’d want for your loved ones and neighbors?
Today (August 30) would’ve been my brother’s 50th birthday. He died in June 2018 - not sure if by accident or by choice - also alone on a road after buying a soda and telling his girlfriend that he would sleep in his car. He was also addicted to alcohol, and we learned after his death that he may have been using other substances. My brother was one of the funniest, sweetest, smartest guys you could ever meet. His loss is still hitting me, as it comes in unpredictable waves. Sometimes I reach for my phone to call him, just to remember that he’s gone forever. Rest In peace, Brian and Bryce.
DTs can be fatal but stimulants can mask the symptoms. It can happen that people can be slightly suicidal AND careless at the same time and it can be a very fine line esp with uppers and downers,blood sugar fluctuations and sleep deprivation. Its hard to be alone in the world, and these seem to be the consequences, in this partucular case, by choice.
Vyvanse abuse kickstarted my drug abuse while I was in college. They helped me focus on the things I enjoyed. 6 years later I’m finally making steps to keep myself clean.
@@leximari thank you friend. This story really felt too relatable to me. The weird and terrible behavior the come downs induced was so awful to deal with. I hope the young man in this story found peace. I sure am trying to.
@@patrickburton1401 many people in these stories are relatable (some more than others, lol!), it’s all part of the human experience. No one can know the pain and struggle that comes with addiction, mental illness, loss, etc. until you or someone your love are in the grips, but we can at least have compassion for those who are fighting to overcome & those who weren’t able to conquer their demons. I too hope Bryce (& you) find peace ❤️🩹
@@leximari that is true. I just have a clearer picture of what could have gone through that young man’s head than I feel comfortable with. Thank you friend.
Man that was a very compelling story. I'd never heard about it before. Can you imagine waking up in your car and the guy from AAA has _your_ mom on _his_ phone?
Yeah true. Podcasts and true crime youtubers cover in more depth, for folks like me who prefer longer more detailed videos. But Dr grande did a great summary 👏
I would too, but where is the body? They had the blood hounds and then it ended at the damn and as far as I know they did search the body of water. I am just so confused!
@@krazeelety he's in the water, they just didn't find him. One of the biggest signs of planning suicide is giving valuable items away. Then sitting for hours in his car, he was thinking about whether to go through with it. It's so sad.
@@rosenbaum75 I'm curious to know how big that piece of water is....like to where they can maybe bring that one crew, I think they are called Adventures with a Purpose. Or something similar to at least bring the family closure.
@@krazeelety I can't imagine one of my kids going missing. I'd spend the rest of my life looking for them. Killing yourself brings so much pain as it is, but to not know whether they're alive or dead or if someone has them and is hurting them or did hurt them, I can't even imagine.
Why did his mother keep insisting he drive to her when he was clearly not okay? The mechanic and police had to check on him multiple times. At that point, stop telling him to drive and come to you and go pick him up! I’m sure hindsight is 2020, but I’m baffled by that choice. I was in a similar situation once and after the second time of telling my mum I’m coming home and clearly not coming home, she drove to me. Picked me up and left my car there. Turns out I was drugged and didn’t realize it until I was already on the road. I hope people learn from this. If someone is not driving home when they’re supposed to, don’t insist they keep driving even if they seem fine. Go pick them up! There’s too many variables that can go wrong on a short 10 minute ride, let alone an hour. Shout out to Christian tho, he’s a kind soul! And also the girlfriend and roommate, they seemed to really care about him too. I know my roommates wouldn’t call my mum to update her on my weird/change in behaviour.
Could not agree MORE . If one thing is abundantly clear , it's that Bryce's parents had about as much common sense as they had genuine , appropriate levels of caring for their ONLY CHILD . Appalling .
Maybe I'm hung up about the Vyvanse, but a stimulant induced psychosis can develop quite rapidly It's also a long acting medication so if you're overdosing the effects can last for days.
Not to mention but the medication was not being regulated and was not prescribed by a doctor so who knows where the medicine was from or how safe it actually was. And who knows what his dosage was, mix that with alcohol-not good.
I stopped my Vyvanse the other day after 3 years of use. It gives me crazy anxiety and It's hard to notice until you stop it. I was taking it prescribed, I couldn't imagine abusing it. You can't even snort it because it requires a process inside your body to turn it into amphetamines. I'd 100% believe this kid was depressed as fuck because of the Vyvanse and drinking. I have been having terrible suicidal thoughts from shame. It sounds exactly what was happening to Bryce.
@@420noscopesonlylol6 amphetamine withdrawal isn't fun you don't feel pleasure, it's good to taper, or try low dose white and green strain kratom for a few days during the withdrawal, then just drink coffee.
At what point does one human, look another human in the eye, and say, "Seriously, let's have a talk. What's going on, man?" In this day and age? Not many. I'm truly thankful for the few true friends I have.
I'm that guy. The drunkest, most damaged soul at every party or bar would always find me n talk my ear off n I don't mind. I think people instinctively pick up that I am empathetic, a good listener and i don't judge...and I rarely give unsolicited advice. I just listen. That's all a lot of people who are hurting need...someone nonjudgmental to talk to and listen to them vent. And I always been reluctantly glad to do it but i'm glad I had those experiences and could provide a small comfort in a trying time. God knows i need the good karma.
I have spent my time in little rooms where all of us were waiting to undergo the latest medical tests, and have had some of the most rewarding conversations in my life. No one in that situation wants to chat about the weather, and there is an opportunity to speak from the heart. Sometimes people can say things to a stranger that are too painful to say to a loved one - and just listening to them is a cherished gift. Or you can give a word of sympathy and encouragement to someone who is overwhelmed. I am grateful for the time I spent in those little rooms, and I love to meet those rare people who have the courage to let down their barriers and speak from the heart. 🙂
This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
@@alicegoesnomad8448 Oh, please. His parents were in contact, at least his mother was. They monitored his spending instead of cutting it off. They hadgiven him the vehicle to begin with. Momgave him diamond jewelery. Geesh!
This reminds me so much of my little brother. He's 28 and every week is an emotional rollercoaster. Between mental health issues, medication (self and prescribed), not sleeping (we think due to ADHD meds) and other instability, I'm running out of ideas on how to help. Sometimes he's so angry at us, just for trying to help, and to stop him from taking his own life. I wonder if I'll watch one of these about him one day.
I'm so sorry you & your family is going through this. Make sure you're taking care of yourself too ❤️ Sadly I'm going through a situation like this myself too.
The abuse of Vyvanse is not a normal situation. I would at times love everyone and then the moment I feel like I was failing, the fear of confronting it would overshadow everything. It made me beyond narcissistic, and the come down is not good. Depression and anxiety are on another level. I bet that entire situation of him alone was days of feeling nothing but doom. I hope he’s resting easy now.
Prob should’ve taken the time to get the right medication if he needed it. It’s odd to list a drug as the problem when the guy didn’t even have a prescription for it. Not to mention, anyone who knows anything knows alcohol is horrible to mix or take in general really
@@mopnem it’s a schedule 1 controlled substance. Had he been caught without a prescription? Mandatory felony charge. It’s well known to be highly addictive and dangerous.
@@amandanegrete1306 You must not have much experience with substances if you think stimulants are schedule 1 & not 2. Your comment is declarative in nature but factually wrong. My point was if you take something your not prescribed, I have a limited tolerance for if something then goes wrong.. People that do that only make it worse for people that legitimately could use said substances. The laws around substances are already stupid as it is. Ex. alcohol is easily accessible but is dangerous, most definitely contributed to the kids demise.
I am familiar with this case, and I think that he ended his own life. There were certainly many red flags prior to it but nobody was able to put it all together in time for an intervention or maybe they didn’t want to think about the worst that could happen. It’s a very sad case. On another note- Dr. Grande + Taco Bell, a love story. Your remarks on TB are memorable.😂 Thank you so much for covering this case Dr. Grande, I was hoping you would. ❤️
This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
I remember this story on the local news. We live very near Sierra College in Rocklin. The reporting was not near as in depth as presented here. Thank you. On a side note, I would like to see Dr. Grande analyze the case of Coleen Ritzer (victim) in 2013 at Danvers High School, Danvers Mass.
Did the monster who killed her ever give a reason for his heinous crime? I've watched quiet a few videos but have never heard his reasoning. Not talking about speculations but his own words.
Strange I've never heard of this case before. I think the fact that he gave his xbox and diamond earrings to his friend and later called him are signs that he was going to take his own life. The visit to the girlfriend, also a last goodbye. Driving up and down the hill was last minute reluctance or doubt. My heart goes out to his loved ones.
It sounds as if this young man had a serious psychological trauma, something he was not able to work through. The sudden excessive substance abuse may have been his attempt to quiet the event/thoughts he experienced. There is something he discovered or experienced that could not live with.
That's my first thought as well. It could've also been a drastic drug reaction, but that might be secondary to the traumatic incident. Or possibly the drugs kicked off schizophrenia, I've heard of that happening with other drugs (not Vyvanse). Whatever happened to this young man, it must've led to so much internal distress 🙁xx
The technician Christian in this case was more than helpful. This case got me. It never left me. Christian is the type of person I would want my young children to turn out to be. He had no responsibility to Bryce or his family yet he went above and beyond. Where did Bryce go? I’m not sure divers were able to successfully dive and search all areas of the lake. Everyone involve must feel they should have done more. Including Christian. It’s something he will think about everyday though Bryce is really no one to him. Those shoulda woulda couldas will always play out in everyone’s mind even if and when they ever find answers.
@@bthomson Exactly, Bruce. I’d rather be safe than sorry. Too many of us especially nowadays say “I didn’t want to make something out of nothing”. Yet we will never know it’s something….or nothing. Unless it’s too late. I’ve come across this in my own life with my brother who passed from a drug overdose. He was quite stoic with his pain. All of us knew something was different. We just didn’t know exactly what. Perhaps this is why this case stuck with me. I should of. I could of. I would of. But I didn’t. Because I didn’t want to make something out of nothing. And now it’s an unbearable pain that keeps me awake at night. Which reminds me… 🧐 I think I want to remove my ceiling fan.
@@angelabaird7135 Thank You, Angela. It’s been 6 years this November. Though some days it feels like just last week. And oddly enough it feels like eons ago at the same time. It is exactly how it’s described. Holidays aren’t the same. We feel guilty moving on though we have to. But I can say the silver linings are the family checks in on each other more. In a lot of ways it has brought us closer. We never use to “talk”. Especially my hard *ss father. That dynamic has changed. We try to find the positives that Matthew has left us with than the negatives. Thanks for listening. 🙃
But neither Christian or the cops were any help while no fault if there own. This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
Hello Dr. Grande!! This case is one that has always always perplexed me!! I'm actually a forensic psychologist and this case is one that just baffles me! The fact that he was giving away all of his stuff is a really really bad sign though....
This is painful to hear about. I feel so awful for the kid. Thank you for reminding us to keep our eyes and hearts open for people we know who may be speaking his language.
I always find disappearances disturbing. I don't know how the family could ever move on. I wonder about the family also. If the girlfriend was so concerned that she did not want to give him his keys, why did the mother insist that she do so. One never knows what is actually doing on in the family dynamics.
Seems like his mother failed to take this seriously even after speaking with several people who were concerned about him. She wanted to have the final say and long distance decisions made for someone who is troubled can be problematic.
I recall that bryce told his mother he was fine and the girlfriend was just being controlling and possessive and freaking over the break up - the mother chose to believe him over the girlfriend. 😔
@thinlineofsanity1035 it wasn't just the gf tho. The friend had been talking to mom too. There was clear red flags here. Mom prioritize getting her son to drive to her over an obvious concerning situation
What a deeply sad and ominous case, and still so many unanswered questions! When you said "He may have been cryptic, but he was communicating." I hope answers are found one day! The details you put together for this one was incredible, Dr. Grande!
As a mom, I cant imagine how his parents are feeling. Absolutely heartbreaking. I hope they find out what happened to him. Thank you so much for the video 🌵🌳🌿🌵
I don't have children. Every time I see a story about a parent with a loss of a child, I wonder how on earth the poor parents survive. I can't imagine how horrible that would be.
I totally remember when this happened. So mysterious and confusing. I lived in the area, and at the time, I clearly remember the odd circumstances of this event. Our little local paper ran the story with his image on the front page and listed Bryce as a missing person. I kept his image in my car to keep an eye out for him, because I work near where he went missing.
Such a bizarre case. His poor parents. It’s crazy how many people, including police, that interacted with him before he disappeared. I think the amphetamine use played a big part in this. It can really mess with your mental health especially if you aren’t being monitored by a doctor or prescribed it.
This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
@@alicegoesnomad8448 Yes when you feel like taking your life, you go back and forth, but if you can just hold on until the next day MOST TIMES people report being happy that they did not act on it. Thats why crisis support hot lines are really important, they can talk to you until you are calm enough to think more clearly.
@@alicegoesnomad8448 the family had non intention to come to Bryce. They slept whilst he was obviously struggling and the knew it. They had plenty of time to come to his aid.
She didn't make the right choices that night unfortunately, IMO. It started with telling the GF to give him his keys. I can only guess that she didn't get along with the GF, or she would have listened to her IWT. All in the rear view mirror now though.
Great analysis Dr Grande, I was hopeful, that after his failed suicide attempt he walked away to start a new life but your theory makes more sense. Also, impressed you picked up on Bryce's 'possible" uncomfortable relationship with his mother. I picked up on this after viewing many of his mother's interviews, and her Facebook entries. She appears to be domineering, controlling, in denial, and narcissistic, Several times she has stated, "My son would never commit suicide; he just wouldn't do that to us." This statement demonstrates that she is unable to sympathize with what he was going through... Instead, it's all about her pain.
Thank you, Dr. Grande, for covering this case. This case has bothered me for eight years now. I think Brycemade it to the truckstop and hitched a ride with a trucker and probably gave the trucker some destination he was going to. I think Bryce asked to be let out at a certain place and I think there he took his own life. This sounds very much like a psychotic break to me, and he was at the right age for a psychotic break. I think hid switch to hard liquor and that drug brought on his psychotic break. Just my opinion.
Here early with my coffee. Looking forward to your discussion, this is a head scratcher. BTW, Laguna Niguel is a VERY nice place to live. Bad combination- Vivance and alcohol. Thanks for the sound analysis on this case.
The fact that Bryce had a complete personality change makes me think he suffered from some sort of trauma. His behavior, to me, seemed to be a reaction to that trauma, which to me, comes across as overwhelming depression. My guess is that he wanted to discuss it, he reached out, but it was too painful. It’s sad, but I feel he probably ended his life.
I think it was the drug abuse. The type of stimulate he was using can have very serious side effects. Especially if you aren’t prescribed it by a doctor and being monitored. I had an addiction to adderall and it truly made me lose my mind. I was not well.
I think Bryce had made it very clear, from hindsight, that Bryce didn't want to be alive. He was dismantling his relationship with his girlfriend. He was giving away prized possessions. And he just seemed to be doing his best NOT to return home. I've always wondered if Bryce was a victim of a sexhal assault. It is massively difficult to get someone at his age to understand it wasn't his fault and that his parents and friends wouldn't judge him. I think he attempted when he drove off the embankment because at night it looks like water below. But when that didn't happen, he night have cleaned up af the truck stop and hitched a ride. In this instance, I think he willingly left his life.
I was also pondering the theory of him being assaulted. Sometimes people don't realize how deeply violating that is. But I was wondering more along the lines of if it was a family member who did it and that's why he didn't want to go back home.
Bryce did want to be alive because the law of self-preservation kicked in as he was going through his ritual of abandonment. But what he didn't want to do is continue to live in a mortal frame while pursuing the Supreme Consciousness of Truth reserved for those who seek the highest ideals.
I feel the same way. I feel like _it_ must have happened to him whilst enrolled in that English class or just after that, bc I can't imagine doing anything that positive to "get ahead" for the next semester if I was in some respects not trying to envision a future. I will go back and watch the video again to try to pick up on what caused the family to move to California and pay better attention to the timeline and details before the journey home began. It did strike me as well, though, that 19 is the textbook age for a male to present with schizophrenia, if I recall. But everyone saying that he seemed fine to drive, aside from the GF, doesn't really support that conclusion. Trying to be so drunk that I may have the guts to end my suffering or at least to escape my suffering temporarily sounds like S.A. Not feeling the GF, instead drinking heavily and playing video games not wanting to spend the night when around her kinda gives me the feeling like, idk maybe he doesn't want to accept his sexual identity? But the abrupt onset of the crisis seems more like something happened to him than anything else. It's troubling not knowing the outcome. I'm sorry for all involved and all that are going through similar situations. Sleep deprivation is a hell of a thing too, though. And who knows what effects the ADHD meds bring to the equation. I'm talking from a place of familiarity too. I do meth, been locked up in a mental institution for a couple months, suicidal, bipolar, depressed, few times in jail, probation, a week in rehab, never married, no kids, no career, worthless, pointless life...but I've never really been abused that I recall, so I don't know for sure about that angle. But that's what I felt, intuitively, when I was listening to Dr. Grande lay out the timeline. Let me tell you though, I WILL SIT in the car or my apt or wherever for TOO LONG, like an invalid sometimes...just peril-ized. Not catatonic, just like hyper-procrastinating or something, I guess. Idk. I better stop before I get ambushed by a welfare check. 😶🌫️
@@ami3627 I'm bipolar and often disassociate places. Sometimes somewhere like your car is just comforting. Hope you're doing well, though. Sending my thoughts
Brace was sitting on the side of the road contemplating suicide when the officers pulled up he passed all of their tests because he was not intoxicated he was severely depressed and should have been taken to a mental health facility Bryce disappeared probably because he committed suicide. Yes it's just a speculation but I work in mental health and I have suffered from crippling depression you don't pull over on the side of the road after you have everything figured out to blow off steam you pull over to figure out how you want to die. Please don't be afraid to take these people into a mental health facility.
Dr G are you ever going to make any more psychology-specific content? I really enjoyed your role plays and vignettes. ETA I like your content now, too! :) Psychology is just my strongest interest.
Come to think of it, we had a semi-traumatic/embarrassing Pizza Hut incident when visiting the U.S. as a group of teens 🤔 - half of the group (probably those who had cheese sticks) got horrible diarrhea, there were only two toilets and one was out of order (even before the incident - (can't think why 🤔!)) - can't swear to what happened to the other toilet - so when we arrived (late) to meet our host families, the very first thing my American boyfriend and I talked about when he came to meet me was my diarrhea - not exactly sexy 😅! Well, I learned a new word in English!
He's not someone who could hide in a crowd very well, with that beautiful red hair and unique facial features, so im hoping someone will spot him soon. Im so sorry for his parents
It seems as though Bryce had a plan to end his life but was ambivalent about it. So many Red flags, giving away his personal valuables, breaking off relationships, binge drinking and others. I don’t it’s correct to blame others. I sadly believe he succeeded in his plan.
Wish the parents had driven the one hour it would take to get to him when he said he wanted to rest. If they picked him up, they could always go back for the car later. I hope they don't feel regret at waiting, but that could have possibly changed the outcome. From the time he pulled over to rest to the time he disappeared would have given them enough time to get to that dam area.
I know every family is different, but my parents always told me they'd come pick me up no questions asked whether I'm drunk, at some party, or in any sort of jam. All of my friends had parents with more or less the same policy. I am baffled by his parents inaction. I hope his parents are able to cope with whatever happened, but feeling regret about waiting is something natural given there seems a good chance they'd have found him had they acted immediately, as I think most parents would have.
@@mikeballard8404 Or simply had no identification, like that homeless guy Dr. Grande covered in another video. They falsely accused him of being someone he wasn't and when he insisted he was who he actually was they locked him in a mental institution for years.
I don’t think it’s fair to criticize the parents. I know it is frustrating for viewers, who don’t even know this person, that he went missing. But, imagine how the family and friends must feel, especially his parents. The “what if” thoughts must be unimaginably difficult. Comments like this verge on insensitivity to those who loved this real life person who is now gone.
As a mom, I cannot fathom the guilt she feels. She probably second guessed herself so much and ended up making the wrong decision to not drive to him. But I don’t blame her at all. He may have ended his life anyway at a later date.
This case isn't actually that complicated but maybe that's just because I've literally witnessed these types of things in my own family. Bryce was starting to abuse Vyvanse (Lisdexamfetamine) which is actually derivative of Amphetamine similar to Adderall and/or Meth. When taken not as prescribed and/or abused it can cause you to stay awake for long periods of time which also affects the persons' mental state to a point of delirium. In order to come down a little from that, he started drinking and soon realized that what he normally drank wasn't working which is why he switched to the liquor. At this point, the body is so exhausted and drained that it starts crashing which explains him falling asleep in random places regardless of the situation. You also lose your sense of time during all of this. To him, he might have thought he was taking 30min nap(s) when in reality it was actually 6-7hrs. Eventually, paranoia starts to set in and you start seeing things and thinking things that aren't really happening. Now at this point, he is fully unhinged and anything he does isn't really going to make much sense hence why there is all of this confusion. He himself couldn't even tell you what was going on even if he could but it sounds like he might have gotten freaked out and drove off of the bridge either by accident or on purpose trying to escape from something that wasn't even there. After the crash, he ran away from the accident either trying to avoid getting in trouble or still trying to escape whatever he was paranoid about in the first place. Now, as far as his whereabouts are concerned I couldn't tell you. I'm just letting you know that the reason for all of the confusion here is because of the substances that he was taking which in turn makes people do things that don't necessarily make any sense.
Kinda like being spun out on meth. Only it takes a little bit longer to happen from prescription amphetamines. But drinking all of the time on top of taking those pills might make it happen faster
@@stevenhair3250 yet you have enough time to go to leave useless comments under other peoples comments as if that is more productive way to spend your time? Take your own advice.
I am catching up on all of your videos. I love the way you present analyze each story. You are so professional. What a informative channel you have created. You will be up to a million followers this year. Thank you for such great content.
Bryce's parents were domineering and basically forced him to go to that specific college. In fact, they forced a lot of things on him, trying their damnedest to control his life. Some believe that he was reticent to tell his parents he wanted to drop out of college, so as a last resort, he crashed his car (another shackle connecting him to his parents) and began anew somewhere else. People tend to hold the belief that it's nearly impossible to go missing on purpose and remain undetected, but it really isn't. Take it from a guy who did it for over ten years.
True,the street kid circuit exists, and if you never been in the system you cannot be identufied, as of now anyways. Dna testing is more prevalent these days. This esp makes sense because he already was an aldoholic so its not like he isnt gonna spange. He went to a rest stop. I bet if he still alive he in boston or berkeley
Being sleep-deprived makes it difficult for most ppl to behave rationally, certainly I cannot stay up more than 24 hrs w/o becoming extremely annoying and fruity.
I used to be that way when I was sleep-deprived. Now that I’m older (age 47), I get short-tempered with people and hopeless in the face of even small problems.
@@annegant7813 You wonder if the Vyvanse was causing him to stay awake? Considering it is an amphetamine as is Adderall, I think you would be safe in assuming that.
I used to do it regularly as an undergrad, I was working 20-30 hrs a week and a full time college student. I made it, but I walked everywhere. Then, I went to grad school in my 30s. Full time job, plus some, and full time grad student. This time my university was 35 mins from home and I commuted, of course I also drove to work. I don't know if the difference was my older age or the fact that I was driving, but during the grad school years, I realized that I was not exactly sane when I was up for over 30 hrs. I would slam my brakes for nothing, but I kept seeing lights and images in the road, and I was sure I was going to run over someone. I can remember thinking I should just end everything, I was too crazy to live. It was a scary really, and I did not even have a substance abuse problem to contribute to places my mind went.
A construction crew just found a human skull in the bushes off I-5 here in castaic monday (11/28/22). I wonder if it’s Bryce. This case has always haunted me.
@@timewithoutconsequence last I heard the skull was so badly decomposed that it wasn’t even clear if it was a male or female so it’s been sent to a special lab for dental records/dna testing. I will post more info when it’s available.
I swear, just now I thought to myself: oh yeah I was suicidal once about 9-10 years ago when I was the same age. Then I google him and come to find out that he was born a month after me. We were suicidal at the same time. No matter how bad it gets, depression will end at some point, and how long that takes will depend on a few factors. I really feel for this guy. Such a tragic way to go. RIP
When I heard about this case before, I felt he was actually trying to get away from his parents…like they were suffocating him. Not literally, of course.
i kind of had the same feeling. his girlfriend called his mother, his friend called his mother, his mother was ready to board a flight that night.. heck even roadside assistance and police called his mother. he was an adult who moved away and couldnt turn a corner without his mother still there. he probably felt cornered and suffocated instead of comforted and loved. i wish he felt the latter way so he couldve relieved the thing that was burdening him
Yeah, and maybe he sat waiting in his car for hours on end to see if they cared and would bother to come and get him. I've just started to ask my mother what she would've done and when I was only half way through asking she said "I'd immediately stop whatever I was doing and come straight out to get you".
@@chrisdixon299 well to be fair.. she did offer to take a flight that night and he declined, and the police and roadside assistance told her that he was completely within his faculties. she expected and they reassured that he'd be on his way home. i bet she wishes she had taken that flight.
Thanks for continuing to deliver excellent content. Just finished round one of chemo and your videos are just about the only thing I can tolerate. 🙏 thanks Dr. G!
This case has been on my mind for quite some time. I have an 18 year old son so it hits close to home. In this situation by the second call saying he hadn’t moved , I would have begged the cops to hold him till I got there. I feel so bad for his family. I can’t even imagine the pain and frustration they are faced with every day.
I don't find it hard to believe that someone as young as 19 could fool a cop into thinking they were sobor. I've seen it done many times. If there is anything that addicts seem to be good at; it would be deceit. (coming from someone who had substance use issues as an adolescent) Also if he was under the influence of vyvanse at the time, it would explain why he wasn't showing symptoms of extreme fatigue despite being awake for multiple days.
@@oliverquach9614 field soboriety test is primarily used for detecting alcohol/sedative consumption. Amphetamine (vyvanse in particular is far less recreational and prone to abuse than say meth or adderall) doesn't tend to impair cognitive function unless taken in extreme doses, so I doubt a field sobriety test would have picked that up.
@@icturner23 they didn't give him a drug test, they gave him a field sobriety test, Also vyvanse has a half life of 12 hours, so he could have consumed the drugs long before he was pulled over, and still been under the influence.
A really sad situation his parents will probably be tortured with "if only" and the not knowing for sure if he did commit suicide, and not being able to lay him to rest.
Dr. Grande, Hi! Im just rewatching some of your older content... Would you do a video (or do you have a video already) on psychosis brought on by sleep deprivation? I think that it's something more people deal with than anybody talks about. Whether the reason for the lack of sleep is stress, insomnia, prescription amphetamines or any other reasons.
Dr. Grande, I agree. I believe that he took his own life. He attempted this earlier, by accelerating his vehicle over the bluff. He could have jumped into the lake, perhaps from the dam. The other two scenarios are much more implausible to me. I'm glad to see there are people out there who are concerned for and willing to help strangers.
Interesting case, Dr. G! I just feel we’re missing something in this parent/child dynamic! If so, I wish we knew in hopes of preventing something like this from happening again. :(
I had a friend who ended his own life a few days before his 18th birthday. The day before he did it, he asked his long term girlfriend to marry him. It was really unexpected and heartbreaking for her because she had just said yes to marrying him. We all assume that he just wanted to know that she would have married him before he left this world.
I wonder if he wasn’t waiting for a drug dealer or something. When my wife was in active addiction, she would sometimes take off and wait half a day for her dealer to get back to her.
Just something to consider just because it’s recent and relevant. A friend of mine is an alcoholic. She’ll go on binges of drinking, but she’ll also go days and days without sleeping or eating. During these episodes, she will begin to wildly hallucinate, and become erratic and angry. She just recently had gone to the hospital and they found literally no drugs in her system (my gf and I swore she was on meth with how she was acting) and the hallucinations were a result of the malnourishment and lack of sleep. He very well could have been on nothing and have had a similar situation going on after a Vyvanse binge, as that sort of medication will make you not eat or sleep, especially if abused. That would be this guy’s theory.
Dr. Grande, how tragic. Thanks for reminding us that Bryce was sending pleas for help in all that he said and did. I hope Bryce is safe out there somewhere. Have you ever analysed the tragic and bizarre case of Tim Bosma? This happened near where I live. People were terrified of using Kijiji for a long while because of this murder.
Oh yeah,Tim Bosma. That was just tragic and awful. there are really bad to the point of being plain evil people out there and sometimes decent people have the misfortune of crossing paths with them. It feels like its so unfair 😩 and cruel and there is nothing you can do about it. Those guys were plain evil, SMH
Young people who think nothing will ever change or they can't see past being 19, and make serious life changes have to somehow realize, this too will pass! It's good to get help I did when I suffered with panic attacks in my late 20's and thirties, it the most debilitating feeling,, but it does pass,. I hope he is still alive and comes back to live his life better than ever!
Brice wanted to start a new life usually when somebody wants to start a new life they don't drive there car off a cliff as that is not conducive to starting a new life. I love it man you have a great sense of humor doc
A strange case, so many Red flags, and also some people who wanted to help him... Sad to say that we still don't know what is the truth.Thank you Dr. Grande for a great analysis/exploration 🖤
This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
Can't wait to watch Dr Grande's analysis without diagnosing anybody, just speculating what could be happening in a situation like this ... this case has always been pretty straight forward to me, certainly not the unexplainable mystery, that many saw in it. His lack of direction or movements, when he was in his car, were a (loud) sign of his loss of direction in his life to me - but that's just my personal interpretation. Let's see, what our Dr is saying to all of this!
I say this is likely a suicide based on giving away valuable possessions and seeking closure with people he cared about. The red eyes were from crying and/or fatigue, dehydration, etc., whether that was enhanced by the drugs and alcohol is questionable based on the sobriety tests and stuff. Very sad case and even worse if he didn't die instantly. 😔
Thank you for a remotely sensible theory. Everyone else in these comments seems to think he was killed by his secret gay lover, or his girlfriend hired a hitman and stupid stuff like that.
They say he could have drown in the lake or the ocean after injuring himself on his way out of the car. I'm probably biased because my sister committed suicide at age 22, when I was 20, and I now have an 18 year old son. And I know it's awful to place blame in a situation like this because the subtle warning signs seem so much more obvious after the fact, but they knew he was totally out of it and exhausted for days, even reported him missing and found him exhausted and trying to sleep in his car and just left him there on the side of the road AGAIN based on the policemen opinion even long after he said he was having a really hard time, knowing he had gone through a breakup, a flat tire, ran out of gas, gotten lost, had a dead phone, and friends had expressed a lot of concern. So either before or after his car was totaled, he may have decided he just couldn't take anymore. I just can't imagine a time when he could have needed his parents more, and I wonder if this is the kind of "tough love" they've always raised him with.
I agree with Dr. Grande's assessment of this case. The only additional piece of information I would add is the Castaic Lake rest stop and recreational area has a history of missing persons, crime and bizarre situations. Could we also be looking at some kind of abuse at home? I find it odd that he was so conflicted about going home, granted he probably wouldn't have wanted to get home while he was still under the influence of stimulants or alchohol. In addition, I find it very strange that his parents did not immediately make their way to him? They kept either ignoring or disregarding the numerous warning signs of someone wanting to end their life, eg; giving away of personal possessions, breaking off relationships and heavy alcohol and or narcotic use. Very sad situation and should serve as a reminder to all of us, especially, now under current health risks of Covid 19, that the rate of suicide in this country has surpassed epidemic levels and no one is talking about it. You will never hear the main stream media disucssing the skyrocketing amount of people who have committed suicide over the past year and a half. Those of us who work in mental health are standing on the rooftops, screaming as loud as we can that we are facing a serious situation of epic proportion if we do not act now! Please, if you know of anyone suffering a mental health crisis, get them help now. There are wonderful organizations like NAMI (National Association of Mental Illness) that will provide all the support you need and more importantly they can provide you with valuable resources to get help. National Suicide Prevention Hotline -800-273-8255
Sounds like classic suicidal planning, giving away possessions, breaking up with loved ones giving closure, able to seem normal in most situations, the car crash. Think it's likely he walked into the woods or lake and killed himself there. Seemed also manic as well and the drinking probably didn't help
Sounds like he was severely depressed in the time before his death. Also, how he kept heading home, stopping, heading home again makes me think he was having doubts about killing himself. The way he got upset when someone brought up his mother, because he knew how hurt she would be. Maybe he had problems nobody knew of. Some people don't talk to anyone about their real problems. The increased alcohol and drug use could have been how he was coping with things. Until, he couldn't, any longer. Very sad case. Just speculating on what could have happened, in a case like this.
Not an important point, but it is very common in California to go to a community college close to the 4 year university they hope to attend. As his girlfriend was probably at CSU Chico, it would be relatively close.
I was going to say the same thing, he may not have gotten into the 4 year university straight from high school. After 2 years in community it’s a much easier switch
I'm not American but that makes a lot of sense to me. If he wanted to move away from home, but didn't get the grades for a 4 year university or didn't want the academic intensity or whatever, I think it makes sense to go to community college in a city away from home.
This is truly a bizarre and sad case. Hopefully his parents will get answers they desire. He had so many people including strangers looking out for his well being
This reminds me of the Diane Schuler case, where family seems to be in denial about someone's mental health and substance abuse, even when they're in obvious distress and on the road. Go get them, for god's sake! I'm also irked at the mum, who had just been told by his roommate about Bryce's strange behaviour and substance abuse, and still she persuades his girlfriend to give him back his car keys.
I've side-eyed the parents for not IMMEDIATELY driving out to find him. They had many, many hours to do so. In terms of the drugs...it concerns me that he was abusing Vyvanse. I took Adderall for years for ADHD without negative side effects until the drug became unavailable last year. Because of this I was switched to Vyvanse. This medication gave me CRIPPLING depression, the worst I've ever felt in my entire life. It was debilitating. I'm wondering if Bryce suffered a similar effect.
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Big ups to Christian the technician for checking on him multiple times. Solid dude.
Big ups liquid Richard
I thought the same. My mechanic didn't even bother to bolt the caliper back on my driver's side brakes he turned and replaced the padding on. Christian went above and beyond. It also sounds like the girlfriend and the roommate were genuinely good people. I am sure they will all have guilt nagging at them, and none of it is their fault. The situation is sad.
Okay Christian was great but what if… This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
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Not all heroes wear capes. Christian went above and beyond, looking out for his fellow human. Props to this guy and his parents for raising a decent & honourable citizen.
But Christian was not able or equipped to bring about a good outcome. This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
@@alicegoesnomad8448 I don't see why defunding the police and having a more diverse array of assistance available need to go hand in hand. Personally I'd rather have better funded police and better funded social assistance alternatives.
@@LEV1ATHYN because that stretches the function of police out thin
@@alicegoesnomad8448 i agree
@@LEV1ATHYN the issue is the police take all of the funding and social programs are left w scraps
How about Christian from the auto shop? The world needs more ppl like him! 👏🏼
Amen!
Indeed! He went above and beyond!👍👏👏👏👏👍💙
He’s living up to his name.
But… This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic who followed him down the highway for 10 miles. Is that what you’d want for your loved ones and neighbors?
He was definitely one in a million to do that.
Today (August 30) would’ve been my brother’s 50th birthday. He died in June 2018 - not sure if by accident or by choice - also alone on a road after buying a soda and telling his girlfriend that he would sleep in his car. He was also addicted to alcohol, and we learned after his death that he may have been using other substances. My brother was one of the funniest, sweetest, smartest guys you could ever meet. His loss is still hitting me, as it comes in unpredictable waves. Sometimes I reach for my phone to call him, just to remember that he’s gone forever. Rest In peace, Brian and Bryce.
DTs can be fatal but stimulants can mask the symptoms. It can happen that people can be slightly suicidal AND careless at the same time and it can be a very fine line esp with uppers and downers,blood sugar fluctuations and sleep deprivation. Its hard to be alone in the world, and these seem to be the consequences, in this partucular case, by choice.
So sorry for you and your family's loss.
This video really hit home for you. Take care and thank you for sharing with us.
I think a lot is depression. The depressed person can see NO hope.😨
I'm so very sorry to hear about your brother man, 3 years is still very raw. Surely his C.O.D should've revealed if it was an accident or not?
Vyvanse abuse kickstarted my drug abuse while I was in college. They helped me focus on the things I enjoyed. 6 years later I’m finally making steps to keep myself clean.
Best of luck with your recovery, that is no easy feat but you got it 💪🏼
@@leximari thank you friend. This story really felt too relatable to me. The weird and terrible behavior the come downs induced was so awful to deal with. I hope the young man in this story found peace. I sure am trying to.
@@patrickburton1401 many people in these stories are relatable (some more than others, lol!), it’s all part of the human experience. No one can know the pain and struggle that comes with addiction, mental illness, loss, etc. until you or someone your love are in the grips, but we can at least have compassion for those who are fighting to overcome & those who weren’t able to conquer their demons. I too hope Bryce (& you) find peace ❤️🩹
@@leximari that is true. I just have a clearer picture of what could have gone through that young man’s head than I feel comfortable with. Thank you friend.
Adderall is bad stuff too. Tell people to stay away from it.
Man that was a very compelling story. I'd never heard about it before. Can you imagine waking up in your car and the guy from AAA has _your_ mom on _his_ phone?
There’s a few true crime channels that covered this case. It really is bizarre.
Haha, I reckon
Yeah true. Podcasts and true crime youtubers cover in more depth, for folks like me who prefer longer more detailed videos. But Dr grande did a great summary 👏
Haha my son would believe it
Christian has a protector soul
Props to Christian from the automotive shop lol what a random kind soul
Yes, i thought the same thing.🙂
Hahaha yeah same he went above and beyond
Yeah he went way out of his way to help that family out. Not many people would do that much.
He lived up to his name
Maybe i am stereotyping but it’s that small town wit and compassion that knew something was up
Sounds like he spent that time parked contemplating whether to go through with his suicide. Sadly, I think he did.
Hate to like this comment but I do think that's it.
I would too, but where is the body? They had the blood hounds and then it ended at the damn and as far as I know they did search the body of water. I am just so confused!
@@krazeelety he's in the water, they just didn't find him. One of the biggest signs of planning suicide is giving valuable items away. Then sitting for hours in his car, he was thinking about whether to go through with it. It's so sad.
@@rosenbaum75 I'm curious to know how big that piece of water is....like to where they can maybe bring that one crew, I think they are called Adventures with a Purpose. Or something similar to at least bring the family closure.
@@krazeelety I can't imagine one of my kids going missing. I'd spend the rest of my life looking for them.
Killing yourself brings so much pain as it is, but to not know whether they're alive or dead or if someone has them and is hurting them or did hurt them, I can't even imagine.
Why did his mother keep insisting he drive to her when he was clearly not okay? The mechanic and police had to check on him multiple times. At that point, stop telling him to drive and come to you and go pick him up! I’m sure hindsight is 2020, but I’m baffled by that choice. I was in a similar situation once and after the second time of telling my mum I’m coming home and clearly not coming home, she drove to me. Picked me up and left my car there. Turns out I was drugged and didn’t realize it until I was already on the road. I hope people learn from this. If someone is not driving home when they’re supposed to, don’t insist they keep driving even if they seem fine. Go pick them up! There’s too many variables that can go wrong on a short 10 minute ride, let alone an hour.
Shout out to Christian tho, he’s a kind soul! And also the girlfriend and roommate, they seemed to really care about him too. I know my roommates wouldn’t call my mum to update her on my weird/change in behaviour.
@@elizabethdiaz5475 you’re making a lot of assumptions.
Because she didn't care?
To me, any time someone tells her he seems ok, or he's ok to drive, she goes along with what they're saying. Kind of a follower.
I saw an interview with her...she seems very...not nice
Could not agree MORE . If one thing is abundantly clear , it's that Bryce's parents had about as much common sense as they had genuine , appropriate levels of caring for their ONLY CHILD . Appalling .
I waited for 4 hours for AAA to boost my battery the other week. This chap Christian went above and beyond. What a caring soul.
Stopped a Bella grande media video to watch this video. Dr. Grande-ception. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Dr. Grande.
Maybe I'm hung up about the Vyvanse, but a stimulant induced psychosis can develop quite rapidly
It's also a long acting medication so if you're overdosing the effects can last for days.
Not to mention but the medication was not being regulated and was not prescribed by a doctor so who knows where the medicine was from or how safe it actually was. And who knows what his dosage was, mix that with alcohol-not good.
I stopped my Vyvanse the other day after 3 years of use. It gives me crazy anxiety and It's hard to notice until you stop it. I was taking it prescribed, I couldn't imagine abusing it. You can't even snort it because it requires a process inside your body to turn it into amphetamines. I'd 100% believe this kid was depressed as fuck because of the Vyvanse and drinking. I have been having terrible suicidal thoughts from shame. It sounds exactly what was happening to Bryce.
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@@420noscopesonlylol6 amphetamine withdrawal isn't fun you don't feel pleasure, it's good to taper, or try low dose white and green strain kratom for a few days during the withdrawal, then just drink coffee.
@@johntaranto29 please be careful with Kratom too.
At what point does one human, look another human in the eye, and say, "Seriously, let's have a talk. What's going on, man?" In this day and age? Not many. I'm truly thankful for the few true friends I have.
Yup
I'm that guy. The drunkest, most damaged soul at every party or bar would always find me n talk my ear off n I don't mind. I think people instinctively pick up that I am empathetic, a good listener and i don't judge...and I rarely give unsolicited advice. I just listen. That's all a lot of people who are hurting need...someone nonjudgmental to talk to and listen to them vent. And I always been reluctantly glad to do it but i'm glad I had those experiences and could provide a small comfort in a trying time. God knows i need the good karma.
I have spent my time in little rooms where all of us were waiting to undergo the latest medical tests, and have had some of the most rewarding conversations in my life. No one in that situation wants to chat about the weather, and there is an opportunity to speak from the heart. Sometimes people can say things to a stranger that are too painful to say to a loved one - and just listening to them is a cherished gift. Or you can give a word of sympathy and encouragement to someone who is overwhelmed. I am grateful for the time I spent in those little rooms, and I love to meet those rare people who have the courage to let down their barriers and speak from the heart. 🙂
This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
@@alicegoesnomad8448 Oh, please. His parents were in contact, at least his mother was. They monitored his spending instead of cutting it off. They hadgiven him the vehicle to begin with. Momgave him diamond jewelery. Geesh!
This reminds me so much of my little brother. He's 28 and every week is an emotional rollercoaster. Between mental health issues, medication (self and prescribed), not sleeping (we think due to ADHD meds) and other instability, I'm running out of ideas on how to help. Sometimes he's so angry at us, just for trying to help, and to stop him from taking his own life. I wonder if I'll watch one of these about him one day.
Im bad in english.. But i feel for you and your brother.
I'm so sorry you & your family is going through this. Make sure you're taking care of yourself too ❤️
Sadly I'm going through a situation like this myself too.
Has he reached out for therapy?
Pray for him and place him under Our Blessed Mother's Mantle to protect him...
Side Burn: Taco Bell. I can't stop watching just for the super straight delivery of the shade.
Why even THINK about not watching! You'd miss SO much!
Yes, echoing the opinion of Sylvester Stallone's character in Demolition Man.
Also, Side Burn: Community Colleges
Racist!!...
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The abuse of Vyvanse is not a normal situation. I would at times love everyone and then the moment I feel like I was failing, the fear of confronting it would overshadow everything. It made me beyond narcissistic, and the come down is not good. Depression and anxiety are on another level. I bet that entire situation of him alone was days of feeling nothing but doom. I hope he’s resting easy now.
Prob should’ve taken the time to get the right medication if he needed it. It’s odd to list a drug as the problem when the guy didn’t even have a prescription for it. Not to mention, anyone who knows anything knows alcohol is horrible to mix or take in general really
@@mopnem it’s a schedule 1 controlled substance.
Had he been caught without a prescription? Mandatory felony charge.
It’s well known to be highly addictive and dangerous.
@@amandanegrete1306 You must not have much experience with substances if you think stimulants are schedule 1 & not 2. Your comment is declarative in nature but factually wrong. My point was if you take something your not prescribed, I have a limited tolerance for if something then goes wrong.. People that do that only make it worse for people that legitimately could use said substances. The laws around substances are already stupid as it is. Ex. alcohol is easily accessible but is dangerous, most definitely contributed to the kids demise.
Patrick i agree he was crashing.
@@mopnemwe get it. You love drugs
I am familiar with this case, and I think that he ended his own life. There were certainly many red flags prior to it but nobody was able to put it all together in time for an intervention or maybe they didn’t want to think about the worst that could happen. It’s a very sad case.
On another note- Dr. Grande + Taco Bell, a love story. Your remarks on TB are memorable.😂
Thank you so much for covering this case Dr. Grande, I was hoping you would. ❤️
This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
@@alicegoesnomad8448 again, i agree
It does sound like, sadly that Bryce took his life.
Great analysis Dr Grande!!! Have a nice Monday
I remember this story on the local news. We live very near Sierra College in Rocklin. The reporting was not near as in depth as presented here. Thank you. On a side note, I would like to see Dr. Grande analyze the case of Coleen Ritzer (victim) in 2013 at Danvers High School, Danvers Mass.
The Ritzer case is horrific. I was born in the town next to Danvers.
Great suggestion. I am from the next city over, Salem MA. Sad case.
Did the monster who killed her ever give a reason for his heinous crime? I've watched quiet a few videos but have never heard his reasoning. Not talking about speculations but his own words.
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Strange I've never heard of this case before. I think the fact that he gave his xbox and diamond earrings to his friend and later called him are signs that he was going to take his own life. The visit to the girlfriend, also a last goodbye. Driving up and down the hill was last minute reluctance or doubt. My heart goes out to his loved ones.
Yes I agree
The Disappeared tv series did an episode on him.
It sounds as if this young man had a serious psychological trauma, something he was not able to work through. The sudden excessive substance abuse may have been his attempt to quiet the event/thoughts he experienced. There is something he discovered or experienced that could not live with.
Agreed maybe he was raped and couldnt tell his parents or somehow blamed them.
@@dee9443 I had that same feeling he was assaulted and was using alcohol to cope.
His substance use was not that sudden. He had a problem already in highschool
@@principecaprincipeca2243 this was never mentioned anywhere. There must be a lot more that was kept under the rug.
That's my first thought as well. It could've also been a drastic drug reaction, but that might be secondary to the traumatic incident. Or possibly the drugs kicked off schizophrenia, I've heard of that happening with other drugs (not Vyvanse). Whatever happened to this young man, it must've led to so much internal distress 🙁xx
The technician Christian in this case was more than helpful. This case got me. It never left me. Christian is the type of person I would want my young children to turn out to be. He had no responsibility to Bryce or his family yet he went above and beyond. Where did Bryce go? I’m not sure divers were able to successfully dive and search all areas of the lake. Everyone involve must feel they should have done more. Including Christian. It’s something he will think about everyday though Bryce is really no one to him. Those shoulda woulda couldas will always play out in everyone’s mind even if and when they ever find answers.
So a lesson to us all! Do everything you can when you can so no regrets!
@@bthomson Exactly, Bruce. I’d rather be safe than sorry. Too many of us especially nowadays say “I didn’t want to make something out of nothing”. Yet we will never know it’s something….or nothing. Unless it’s too late. I’ve come across this in my own life with my brother who passed from a drug overdose. He was quite stoic with his pain. All of us knew something was different. We just didn’t know exactly what. Perhaps this is why this case stuck with me. I should of. I could of. I would of. But I didn’t. Because I didn’t want to make something out of nothing. And now it’s an unbearable pain that keeps me awake at night.
Which reminds me… 🧐 I think I want to remove my ceiling fan.
@@ShaeLaughter so very sorry to hear this :(
@@angelabaird7135 Thank You, Angela. It’s been 6 years this November. Though some days it feels like just last week. And oddly enough it feels like eons ago at the same time. It is exactly how it’s described. Holidays aren’t the same. We feel guilty moving on though we have to. But I can say the silver linings are the family checks in on each other more. In a lot of ways it has brought us closer. We never use to “talk”. Especially my hard *ss father. That dynamic has changed. We try to find the positives that Matthew has left us with than the negatives. Thanks for listening. 🙃
But neither Christian or the cops were any help while no fault if there own. This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
Hello Dr. Grande!! This case is one that has always always perplexed me!! I'm actually a forensic psychologist and this case is one that just baffles me! The fact that he was giving away all of his stuff is a really really bad sign though....
Hate to tell you, but forensic psychology is a pseudoscience.
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This is painful to hear about. I feel so awful for the kid. Thank you for reminding us to keep our eyes and hearts open for people we know who may be speaking his language.
Beautiful message 💙🙏
It was beutiful writing and I agree.
I always find disappearances disturbing. I don't know how the family could ever move on. I wonder about the family also. If the girlfriend was so concerned that she did not want to give him his keys, why did the mother insist that she do so. One never knows what is actually doing on in the family dynamics.
Seems like his mother failed to take this seriously even after speaking with several people who were concerned about him. She wanted to have the final say and long distance decisions made for someone who is troubled can be problematic.
I recall that bryce told his mother he was fine and the girlfriend was just being controlling and possessive and freaking over the break up - the mother chose to believe him over the girlfriend. 😔
The mother failed big time but the family wasn't involved in this
@thinlineofsanity1035 it wasn't just the gf tho. The friend had been talking to mom too. There was clear red flags here. Mom prioritize getting her son to drive to her over an obvious concerning situation
What a deeply sad and ominous case, and still so many unanswered questions!
When you said "He may have been cryptic, but he was communicating."
I hope answers are found one day!
The details you put together for this one was incredible, Dr. Grande!
Thank you for all that you do everyday!
As a mom, I cant imagine how his parents are feeling. Absolutely heartbreaking. I hope they find out what happened to him. Thank you so much for the video 🌵🌳🌿🌵
I don't have children. Every time I see a story about a parent with a loss of a child, I wonder how on earth the poor parents survive. I can't imagine how horrible that would be.
I totally remember when this happened. So mysterious and confusing. I lived in the area, and at the time, I clearly remember the odd circumstances of this event. Our little local paper ran the story with his image on the front page and listed Bryce as a missing person. I kept his image in my car to keep an eye out for him, because I work near where he went missing.
Such a bizarre case. His poor parents.
It’s crazy how many people, including police, that interacted with him before he disappeared. I think the amphetamine use played a big part in this. It can really mess with your mental health especially if you aren’t being monitored by a doctor or prescribed it.
This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
@@alicegoesnomad8448 Yes when you feel like taking your life, you go back and forth, but if you can just hold on until the next day MOST TIMES people report being happy that they did not act on it. Thats why crisis support hot lines are really important, they can talk to you until you are calm enough to think more clearly.
Vyvanse isnt an amphetamine, and its garbage. Strange why he chose that instead of Adderall or Ritilan as a college student
@@melk322 ah ok. I assumed it was because I always hear it being compared to Adderall.
@@alicegoesnomad8448 the family had non intention to come to Bryce. They slept whilst he was obviously struggling and the knew it. They had plenty of time to come to his aid.
Bryce’s mother must be devastated by guilt for not going to pick him up.
My thoughts exactly, especially after all those phone calls.
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Mkm, you had all the time in the world. Where were you
I don't understand her not listening to the gf either. Keeping his keys away from him was a really good idea!
She didn't make the right choices that night unfortunately, IMO. It started with telling the GF to give him his keys. I can only guess that she didn't get along with the GF, or she would have listened to her IWT. All in the rear view mirror now though.
So glad Dr Grande did my request. This case wrecks my head!
Good one
Great analysis Dr Grande, I was hopeful, that after his failed suicide attempt he walked away to start a new life but your theory makes more sense. Also, impressed you picked up on Bryce's 'possible" uncomfortable relationship with his mother. I picked up on this after viewing many of his mother's interviews, and her Facebook entries.
She appears to be domineering, controlling, in denial, and narcissistic, Several times she has stated, "My son would never commit suicide; he just wouldn't do that to us." This statement demonstrates that she is unable to sympathize with what he was going through... Instead, it's all about her pain.
Saw those interviews with her. Total narcissist.
Thank you, Dr. Grande, for covering this case. This case has bothered me for eight years now.
I think Brycemade it to the truckstop and hitched a ride with a trucker and probably gave the trucker some destination he was going to.
I think Bryce asked to be let out at a certain place and I think there he took his own life.
This sounds very much like a psychotic break to me, and he was at the right age for a psychotic break. I think hid switch to hard liquor and that drug brought on his psychotic break.
Just my opinion.
Here early with my coffee. Looking forward to your discussion, this is a head scratcher. BTW, Laguna Niguel is a VERY nice place to live. Bad combination- Vivance and alcohol. Thanks for the sound analysis on this case.
The fact that Bryce had a complete personality change makes me think he suffered from some sort of trauma. His behavior, to me, seemed to be a reaction to that trauma, which to me, comes across as overwhelming depression. My guess is that he wanted to discuss it, he reached out, but it was too painful. It’s sad, but I feel he probably ended his life.
I think it was the drug abuse. The type of stimulate he was using can have very serious side effects. Especially if you aren’t prescribed it by a doctor and being monitored. I had an addiction to adderall and it truly made me lose my mind. I was not well.
@Dani Maybe I mis-heard it but I was under the impression that the drug use was an anomaly and part of his personality change.
I got this vibe too... It seems like something happened to him.
Yeah I feel like something happened to him the drinking and then the drug use was to try to not think about it
@@DottieMinervaglad you’re doing well now❤️
I think Bryce had made it very clear, from hindsight, that Bryce didn't want to be alive. He was dismantling his relationship with his girlfriend. He was giving away prized possessions. And he just seemed to be doing his best NOT to return home. I've always wondered if Bryce was a victim of a sexhal assault. It is massively difficult to get someone at his age to understand it wasn't his fault and that his parents and friends wouldn't judge him. I think he attempted when he drove off the embankment because at night it looks like water below. But when that didn't happen, he night have cleaned up af the truck stop and hitched a ride. In this instance, I think he willingly left his life.
I was also pondering the theory of him being assaulted. Sometimes people don't realize how deeply violating that is. But I was wondering more along the lines of if it was a family member who did it and that's why he didn't want to go back home.
Bryce did want to be alive because the law of self-preservation kicked in as he was going through his ritual of abandonment. But what he didn't want to do is continue to live in a mortal frame while pursuing the Supreme Consciousness of Truth reserved for those who seek the highest ideals.
I feel the same way. I feel like _it_ must have happened to him whilst enrolled in that English class or just after that, bc I can't imagine doing anything that positive to "get ahead" for the next semester if I was in some respects not trying to envision a future.
I will go back and watch the video again to try to pick up on what caused the family to move to California and pay better attention to the timeline and details before the journey home began. It did strike me as well, though, that 19 is the textbook age for a male to present with schizophrenia, if I recall. But everyone saying that he seemed fine to drive, aside from the GF, doesn't really support that conclusion. Trying to be so drunk that I may have the guts to end my suffering or at least to escape my suffering temporarily sounds like S.A. Not feeling the GF, instead drinking heavily and playing video games not wanting to spend the night when around her kinda gives me the feeling like, idk maybe he doesn't want to accept his sexual identity? But the abrupt onset of the crisis seems more like something happened to him than anything else. It's troubling not knowing the outcome. I'm sorry for all involved and all that are going through similar situations. Sleep deprivation is a hell of a thing too, though. And who knows what effects the ADHD meds bring to the equation. I'm talking from a place of familiarity too. I do meth, been locked up in a mental institution for a couple months, suicidal, bipolar, depressed, few times in jail, probation, a week in rehab, never married, no kids, no career, worthless, pointless life...but I've never really been abused that I recall, so I don't know for sure about that angle. But that's what I felt, intuitively, when I was listening to Dr. Grande lay out the timeline. Let me tell you though, I WILL SIT in the car or my apt or wherever for TOO LONG, like an invalid sometimes...just peril-ized. Not catatonic, just like hyper-procrastinating or something, I guess. Idk. I better stop before I get ambushed by a welfare check. 😶🌫️
@@ami3627 I'm bipolar and often disassociate places. Sometimes somewhere like your car is just comforting. Hope you're doing well, though. Sending my thoughts
I requested this video! Such a fascinating case and I can't wait to get your take on it Dr. Grande.
Brace was sitting on the side of the road contemplating suicide when the officers pulled up he passed all of their tests because he was not intoxicated he was severely depressed and should have been taken to a mental health facility Bryce disappeared probably because he committed suicide. Yes it's just a speculation but I work in mental health and I have suffered from crippling depression you don't pull over on the side of the road after you have everything figured out to blow off steam you pull over to figure out how you want to die. Please don't be afraid to take these people into a mental health facility.
Dr G are you ever going to make any more psychology-specific content? I really enjoyed your role plays and vignettes.
ETA I like your content now, too! :) Psychology is just my strongest interest.
I was thinking the same thing....
Wait what
Yes, I really enjoy seeing Grande interacting with others. But have you checked the Bella Grande Media podcast?
I always wonder that too, as that's how long I've been subscribed! Since I found his videos on bipolar and BPD I was hooked since I have both.
And more case studies please!
I lost it at “This is like someone moving to visit a Wendy’s or Chick-fil-a” 😂😂
"Chick-fill-a" hahaha!
My town is devoid of Arby's.....if I were younger, I'd consider moving for that!
Better yet, moving to get away from Taco Bell 😃
At this point, I think we can assume that Dr. Grande has a traumatic Taco Bell incident in his past. 😂
"traumatic taco bell incident"= ate there
We don't have then in my country so naturally I imagine them to be incredible.
😂
Come to think of it, we had a semi-traumatic/embarrassing Pizza Hut incident when visiting the U.S. as a group of teens 🤔 - half of the group (probably those who had cheese sticks) got horrible diarrhea, there were only two toilets and one was out of order (even before the incident - (can't think why 🤔!)) - can't swear to what happened to the other toilet - so when we arrived (late) to meet our host families, the very first thing my American boyfriend and I talked about when he came to meet me was my diarrhea - not exactly sexy 😅! Well, I learned a new word in English!
He's not someone who could hide in a crowd very well, with that beautiful red hair and unique facial features, so im hoping someone will spot him soon. Im so sorry for his parents
I think he might be dead unfortunately
@@eadweard. it seems likely, but i hope not. Stranger things have happened - The possibility is still out there, so im gonna hold out hope
Best lesson from this video: pay attention to and do not ignore/downplay warning signs.
It seems as though Bryce had a plan to end his life but was ambivalent about it. So many Red flags, giving away his personal valuables, breaking off relationships, binge drinking and others. I don’t it’s correct to blame others. I sadly believe he succeeded in his plan.
One thing we know, HE DID NOT want to home to his parents. There is absolutely more to this story that we are not being told.
Wish the parents had driven the one hour it would take to get to him when he said he wanted to rest. If they picked him up, they could always go back for the car later. I hope they don't feel regret at waiting, but that could have possibly changed the outcome. From the time he pulled over to rest to the time he disappeared would have given them enough time to get to that dam area.
I know every family is different, but my parents always told me they'd come pick me up no questions asked whether I'm drunk, at some party, or in any sort of jam. All of my friends had parents with more or less the same policy. I am baffled by his parents inaction. I hope his parents are able to cope with whatever happened, but feeling regret about waiting is something natural given there seems a good chance they'd have found him had they acted immediately, as I think most parents would have.
If only he was black, the cops would have arrested him and he'd be safe in prison to this day.
@@mikeballard8404 Or simply had no identification, like that homeless guy Dr. Grande covered in another video. They falsely accused him of being someone he wasn't and when he insisted he was who he actually was they locked him in a mental institution for years.
I don’t think it’s fair to criticize the parents. I know it is frustrating for viewers, who don’t even know this person, that he went missing. But, imagine how the family and friends must feel, especially his parents. The “what if” thoughts must be unimaginably difficult. Comments like this verge on insensitivity to those who loved this real life person who is now gone.
good point!
As a mom, I cannot fathom the guilt she feels. She probably second guessed herself so much and ended up making the wrong decision to not drive to him. But I don’t blame her at all. He may have ended his life anyway at a later date.
Find some interviews with her. You may change your mind.
Poor reason not to blame her. "Well he would've killed himself anyway" Totally legit justification for inaction 😃👍
Dead beat mother
This case isn't actually that complicated but maybe that's just because I've literally witnessed these types of things in my own family. Bryce was starting to abuse Vyvanse (Lisdexamfetamine) which is actually derivative of Amphetamine similar to Adderall and/or Meth. When taken not as prescribed and/or abused it can cause you to stay awake for long periods of time which also affects the persons' mental state to a point of delirium. In order to come down a little from that, he started drinking and soon realized that what he normally drank wasn't working which is why he switched to the liquor. At this point, the body is so exhausted and drained that it starts crashing which explains him falling asleep in random places regardless of the situation. You also lose your sense of time during all of this. To him, he might have thought he was taking 30min nap(s) when in reality it was actually 6-7hrs. Eventually, paranoia starts to set in and you start seeing things and thinking things that aren't really happening. Now at this point, he is fully unhinged and anything he does isn't really going to make much sense hence why there is all of this confusion. He himself couldn't even tell you what was going on even if he could but it sounds like he might have gotten freaked out and drove off of the bridge either by accident or on purpose trying to escape from something that wasn't even there. After the crash, he ran away from the accident either trying to avoid getting in trouble or still trying to escape whatever he was paranoid about in the first place. Now, as far as his whereabouts are concerned I couldn't tell you. I'm just letting you know that the reason for all of the confusion here is because of the substances that he was taking which in turn makes people do things that don't necessarily make any sense.
I agree. If this case turns out to be suicide, it seems to me that it’s because of medication-induced (along with alcohol) psychosis.
Kinda like being spun out on meth. Only it takes a little bit longer to happen from prescription amphetamines. But drinking all of the time on top of taking those pills might make it happen faster
Absolutely didn’t read this just wanted to say you have to much time and not enough hobby’s. Go outside
@@stevenhair3250 yet you have enough time to go to leave useless comments under other peoples comments as if that is more productive way to spend your time? Take your own advice.
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So glad you analyzed this case. It’s been puzzling me since I saw his story on ID channel.
Thank you sooo much for covering this case💖
There is an interesting thread on Reddit regarding this case. Thanks Dr. Grande for your insights!
I am catching up on all of your videos. I love the way you present analyze each story. You are so professional. What a informative channel you have created. You will be up to a million followers this year.
Thank you for such great content.
Please do a video about Cindy James! That is one of the most fascinating cases I’ve ever come across
Bryce's parents were domineering and basically forced him to go to that specific college. In fact, they forced a lot of things on him, trying their damnedest to control his life. Some believe that he was reticent to tell his parents he wanted to drop out of college, so as a last resort, he crashed his car (another shackle connecting him to his parents) and began anew somewhere else. People tend to hold the belief that it's nearly impossible to go missing on purpose and remain undetected, but it really isn't. Take it from a guy who did it for over ten years.
True,the street kid circuit exists, and if you never been in the system you cannot be identufied, as of now anyways. Dna testing is more prevalent these days. This esp makes sense because he already was an aldoholic so its not like he isnt gonna spange. He went to a rest stop. I bet if he still alive he in boston or berkeley
I would love do do that right about now.....
Please listen to podcasts "And then they were gone" about the case. Especially part 3.
@@principecaprincipeca2243 OK thanks...
Do you know him or his parents? How do you know what they're like?
Todds undying hatred for Taco bell is what keeps me watching, He always manages to shot at them in every video
What did Taco Bell ever do to you, Dr. GRANDE?
Food poisoning perhaps?
I don't know about Dr. Grande, but I avoid Taco Bell for everyone else's benefit. 😷 🤣
I see what you did there!
No dissing Toxic Hell allowed! : )
@Kathy Clark *Two words...explosive diarrhea.* 💯🌮💩🌋
Being sleep-deprived makes it difficult for most ppl to behave rationally, certainly I cannot stay up more than 24 hrs w/o becoming extremely annoying and fruity.
I used to be that way when I was sleep-deprived. Now that I’m older (age 47), I get short-tempered with people and hopeless in the face of even small problems.
@@annegant7813 You wonder if the Vyvanse was causing him to stay awake?
Considering it is an amphetamine as is Adderall, I think you would be safe in assuming that.
@Jo Pearson You make statements and assumptions that aren't supported by facts.
I used to do it regularly as an undergrad, I was working 20-30 hrs a week and a full time college student. I made it, but I walked everywhere. Then, I went to grad school in my 30s. Full time job, plus some, and full time grad student. This time my university was 35 mins from home and I commuted, of course I also drove to work. I don't know if the difference was my older age or the fact that I was driving, but during the grad school years, I realized that I was not exactly sane when I was up for over 30 hrs. I would slam my brakes for nothing, but I kept seeing lights and images in the road, and I was sure I was going to run over someone. I can remember thinking I should just end everything, I was too crazy to live. It was a scary really, and I did not even have a substance abuse problem to contribute to places my mind went.
@@annegant7813 Honey, you were clearly speeding on the Adderall. Perhaps they should have tried a smaller dose to start out.
I remember this Dr. G, as I live in Chico, also. My heart felt so bad for this young man, but even more for Mom and dad😔
A construction crew just found a human skull in the bushes off I-5 here in castaic monday (11/28/22). I wonder if it’s Bryce. This case has always haunted me.
Update?
@@timewithoutconsequence last I heard the skull was so badly decomposed that it wasn’t even clear if it was a male or female so it’s been sent to a special lab for dental records/dna testing. I will post more info when it’s available.
I swear, just now I thought to myself: oh yeah I was suicidal once about 9-10 years ago when I was the same age. Then I google him and come to find out that he was born a month after me. We were suicidal at the same time. No matter how bad it gets, depression will end at some point, and how long that takes will depend on a few factors. I really feel for this guy. Such a tragic way to go. RIP
Breaks my 💔 I hope all these people find some peace. I know I will always remember the poor lost soul.
I've been waiting for this case! Thank you ❤️
When I heard about this case before, I felt he was actually trying to get away from his parents…like they were suffocating him. Not literally, of course.
i kind of had the same feeling. his girlfriend called his mother, his friend called his mother, his mother was ready to board a flight that night.. heck even roadside assistance and police called his mother. he was an adult who moved away and couldnt turn a corner without his mother still there. he probably felt cornered and suffocated instead of comforted and loved. i wish he felt the latter way so he couldve relieved the thing that was burdening him
@@TK-ui2th Exactly. He could not escape her, but she wouldn’t drive to get him when he needed it. I don’t know, something odd there.
Yeah, and maybe he sat waiting in his car for hours on end to see if they cared and would bother to come and get him. I've just started to ask my mother what she would've done and when I was only half way through asking she said "I'd immediately stop whatever I was doing and come straight out to get you".
@@chrisdixon299 well to be fair.. she did offer to take a flight that night and he declined, and the police and roadside assistance told her that he was completely within his faculties. she expected and they reassured that he'd be on his way home. i bet she wishes she had taken that flight.
Jeez the parents can’t win. The comments go from blaming them for not driving to him and blaming them for being too involved.
Thanks for continuing to deliver excellent content. Just finished round one of chemo and your videos are just about the only thing I can tolerate. 🙏 thanks Dr. G!
He is good medicine for sure ! Best of luck.👍💘
Hey Dr. Grande, please speculate about what could ostensibly be happening with my penchent for your videos.
Well, we at least know that you have a great vocabulary!
This case has been on my mind for quite some time. I have an 18 year old son so it hits close to home. In this situation by the second call saying he hadn’t moved , I would have begged the cops to hold him till I got there. I feel so bad for his family. I can’t even imagine the pain and frustration they are faced with every day.
I’ve always thought Bryce was probably suicidal and swam out into the lake his car was found next to and killed himself.
Another topic I’m so excited to see your take on. Thank you as always, Dr. Grande!
I don't find it hard to believe that someone as young as 19 could fool a cop into thinking they were sobor.
I've seen it done many times. If there is anything that addicts seem to be good at; it would be deceit.
(coming from someone who had substance use issues as an adolescent)
Also if he was under the influence of vyvanse at the time, it would explain why he wasn't showing symptoms of extreme fatigue despite being awake for multiple days.
But they also tested him and there was nothing in the car.
But the field sobriety test though
@@oliverquach9614 field soboriety test is primarily used for detecting alcohol/sedative consumption.
Amphetamine (vyvanse in particular is far less recreational and prone to abuse than say meth or adderall) doesn't tend to impair cognitive function unless taken in extreme doses, so I doubt a field sobriety test would have picked that up.
@@icturner23 they didn't give him a drug test, they gave him a field sobriety test, Also vyvanse has a half life of 12 hours, so he could have consumed the drugs long before he was pulled over, and still been under the influence.
I've personally witnessed multiple people pass field sobriety tests under the influence of amphetamine
A really sad situation his parents will probably be tortured with "if only" and the not knowing for sure if he did commit suicide, and not being able to lay him to rest.
Torture is the lingering outcome of so many of these missing person cases!
Dr. Grande, Hi! Im just rewatching some of your older content... Would you do a video (or do you have a video already) on psychosis brought on by sleep deprivation? I think that it's something more people deal with than anybody talks about. Whether the reason for the lack of sleep is stress, insomnia, prescription amphetamines or any other reasons.
Dr. Grande, I agree. I believe that he took his own life. He attempted this earlier, by accelerating his vehicle over the bluff. He could have jumped into the lake, perhaps from the dam. The other two scenarios are much more implausible to me. I'm glad to see there are people out there who are concerned for and willing to help strangers.
Interesting case, Dr. G! I just feel we’re missing something in this parent/child dynamic! If so, I wish we knew in hopes of preventing something like this from happening again. :(
I love how smart you are Dr. Grande. It inspires the work that I do.
I graduated from beer to hard liquor, easiest degree ever.
Yes so it is.
I had a friend who ended his own life a few days before his 18th birthday. The day before he did it, he asked his long term girlfriend to marry him. It was really unexpected and heartbreaking for her because she had just said yes to marrying him. We all assume that he just wanted to know that she would have married him before he left this world.
I wonder if he wasn’t waiting for a drug dealer or something. When my wife was in active addiction, she would sometimes take off and wait half a day for her dealer to get back to her.
Just something to consider just because it’s recent and relevant.
A friend of mine is an alcoholic. She’ll go on binges of drinking, but she’ll also go days and days without sleeping or eating.
During these episodes, she will begin to wildly hallucinate, and become erratic and angry. She just recently had gone to the hospital and they found literally no drugs in her system (my gf and I swore she was on meth with how she was acting) and the hallucinations were a result of the malnourishment and lack of sleep.
He very well could have been on nothing and have had a similar situation going on after a Vyvanse binge, as that sort of medication will make you not eat or sleep, especially if abused.
That would be this guy’s theory.
I agree.
I was just looking for a new upload and bingo! Than you
Nobody works harder "than you!" Ah! No "k" needed!😎
Thank you Christian the world needs more people of your calibre. Plus what an awesome name!
Dr. Grande, how tragic. Thanks for reminding us that Bryce was sending pleas for help in all that he said and did. I hope Bryce is safe out there somewhere.
Have you ever analysed the tragic and bizarre case of Tim Bosma? This happened near where I live. People were terrified of using Kijiji for a long while because of this murder.
Oh yeah,Tim Bosma. That was just tragic and awful. there are really bad to the point of being plain evil people out there and sometimes decent people have the misfortune of crossing paths with them. It feels like its so unfair 😩 and cruel and there is nothing you can do about it. Those guys were plain evil, SMH
Young people who think nothing will ever change or they can't see past being 19, and make serious life changes have to somehow realize, this too will pass! It's good to get help I did when I suffered with panic attacks in my late 20's and thirties, it the most debilitating feeling,, but it does pass,. I hope he is still alive and comes back to live his life better than ever!
Love watching these videos 🥰
Brice wanted to start a new life usually when somebody wants to start a new life they don't drive there car off a cliff as that is not conducive to starting a new life. I love it man you have a great sense of humor doc
A strange case, so many Red flags, and also some people who wanted to help him... Sad to say that we still don't know what is the truth.Thank you Dr. Grande for a great analysis/exploration 🖤
He's obviously committed suicide, they just haven't found his body.
@@chrisdixon299 is so tragic and his body may never be found
This scenario is one example of how defunding (ie redirecting SOME resources) Police could benefit our communities. I wonder what might have happened if a Social Worker had been able to simply stay with this young man until his family arrived. Instead he had cops who couldn’t help unless he was breaking the law and a well meaning mechanic.
The highlight of my day - another super interesting case by Dr. Grande
I love the “I understand moving away from Taco Bell” 😂 I would too! Thank you for your humor and good analysis 🧐
Can't wait to watch Dr Grande's analysis without diagnosing anybody, just speculating what could be happening in a situation like this ... this case has always been pretty straight forward to me, certainly not the unexplainable mystery, that many saw in it.
His lack of direction or movements, when he was in his car, were a (loud) sign of his loss of direction in his life to me - but that's just my personal interpretation.
Let's see, what our Dr is saying to all of this!
I say this is likely a suicide based on giving away valuable possessions and seeking closure with people he cared about. The red eyes were from crying and/or fatigue, dehydration, etc., whether that was enhanced by the drugs and alcohol is questionable based on the sobriety tests and stuff. Very sad case and even worse if he didn't die instantly. 😔
Thank you for a remotely sensible theory. Everyone else in these comments seems to think he was killed by his secret gay lover, or his girlfriend hired a hitman and stupid stuff like that.
The problem with the suicide theory is how do you kill yourself and hide your body? That is the only part that doesn't make sense to me.
@@A.J.8.8.8 does the suicide theory really require him hiding his own body post-mortem?
They say he could have drown in the lake or the ocean after injuring himself on his way out of the car. I'm probably biased because my sister committed suicide at age 22, when I was 20, and I now have an 18 year old son. And I know it's awful to place blame in a situation like this because the subtle warning signs seem so much more obvious after the fact, but they knew he was totally out of it and exhausted for days, even reported him missing and found him exhausted and trying to sleep in his car and just left him there on the side of the road AGAIN based on the policemen opinion even long after he said he was having a really hard time, knowing he had gone through a breakup, a flat tire, ran out of gas, gotten lost, had a dead phone, and friends had expressed a lot of concern. So either before or after his car was totaled, he may have decided he just couldn't take anymore. I just can't imagine a time when he could have needed his parents more, and I wonder if this is the kind of "tough love" they've always raised him with.
@@eadweard. well... his body was never found? Very difficult to commit suicide and make sure your body is never discovered.
Shadow Cactus is getting closer and closer.
Your videos are always so interesting.
True crime is my favorite.
I have lots of friends in NorCal
I agree with Dr. Grande's assessment of this case. The only additional piece of information I would add is the Castaic Lake rest stop and recreational area has a history of missing persons, crime and bizarre situations.
Could we also be looking at some kind of abuse at home? I find it odd that he was so conflicted about going home, granted he probably wouldn't have wanted to get home while he was still under the influence of stimulants or alchohol. In addition, I find it very strange that his parents did not immediately make their way to him? They kept either ignoring or disregarding the numerous warning signs of someone wanting to end their life, eg; giving away of personal possessions, breaking off relationships and heavy alcohol and or narcotic use. Very sad situation and should serve as a reminder to all of us, especially, now under current health risks of Covid 19, that the rate of suicide in this country has surpassed epidemic levels and no one is talking about it. You will never hear the main stream media disucssing the skyrocketing amount of people who have committed suicide over the past year and a half. Those of us who work in mental health are standing on the rooftops, screaming as loud as we can that we are facing a serious situation of epic proportion if we do not act now! Please, if you know of anyone suffering a mental health crisis, get them help now. There are wonderful organizations like NAMI (National Association of Mental Illness) that will provide all the support you need and more importantly they can provide you with valuable resources to get help. National Suicide Prevention Hotline -800-273-8255
Ohhh I’ve been waiting for you to do this one!
The background just looks more lovely from video to video
Maybe it's a creative outlet?
This is awesome. I’ve always had a fascination with this case
Sounds like classic suicidal planning, giving away possessions, breaking up with loved ones giving closure, able to seem normal in most situations, the car crash. Think it's likely he walked into the woods or lake and killed himself there.
Seemed also manic as well and the drinking probably didn't help
Manic from the drug he abused?
@@SHurd-rc2go possible. That's also that age where males who genetically are disposed to psychosis start showing symptoms
@@brad7566 Absolutely.
Sounds like he was severely depressed in the time before his death. Also, how he kept heading home, stopping, heading home again makes me think he was having doubts about killing himself. The way he got upset when someone brought up his mother, because he knew how hurt she would be. Maybe he had problems nobody knew of. Some people don't talk to anyone about their real problems. The increased alcohol and drug use could have been how he was coping with things. Until, he couldn't, any longer. Very sad case. Just speculating on what could have happened, in a case like this.
@@JustDr.S I agree 💯% as I’m the same way
Dang, I was telling a friend about your humor and I dropped him off just before the fast food relocation. As always, it generated a hearty chuckle.
Not an important point, but it is very common in California to go to a community college close to the 4 year university they hope to attend. As his girlfriend was probably at CSU Chico, it would be relatively close.
I was going to say the same thing, he may not have gotten into the 4 year university straight from high school. After 2 years in community it’s a much easier switch
I'm not American but that makes a lot of sense to me. If he wanted to move away from home, but didn't get the grades for a 4 year university or didn't want the academic intensity or whatever, I think it makes sense to go to community college in a city away from home.
He met her at the community college, after he started attending.
This is truly a bizarre and sad case. Hopefully his parents will get answers they desire. He had so many people including strangers looking out for his well being
This reminds me of the Diane Schuler case, where family seems to be in denial about someone's mental health and substance abuse, even when they're in obvious distress and on the road. Go get them, for god's sake! I'm also irked at the mum, who had just been told by his roommate about Bryce's strange behaviour and substance abuse, and still she persuades his girlfriend to give him back his car keys.
That was an imbecile decision! Maybe it proves that as a parent she was lacking?
I've side-eyed the parents for not IMMEDIATELY driving out to find him. They had many, many hours to do so. In terms of the drugs...it concerns me that he was abusing Vyvanse. I took Adderall for years for ADHD without negative side effects until the drug became unavailable last year. Because of this I was switched to Vyvanse. This medication gave me CRIPPLING depression, the worst I've ever felt in my entire life. It was debilitating. I'm wondering if Bryce suffered a similar effect.