Jeff reacted to the news of the killings in the way his dad had insisted he react to Jeff’s mother’s death. He learned to suppress an emotional reaction so as to not incur his dad’s wrath. It’s possible he defaulted to this non emotional response even though his dad was no longer there to enforce it.
Good point. I was raised to believe negative emotions were wrong, bad and shameful. Didn't know why i couldnt cry like my friends over sad things until I was an adult. That conditioning in childhood really sticks.
I appreciate that you often point out that an observable emotional reaction or lack of to a major event does not point to a person's guilt or innocence.
@@czechraiser Or a genuine lack of emotion. You don’t need to have a strong reaction to a murder to still be the last person who’d ever commit it. Decent people don’t just feel for everyone. That’s a guarantor of bias. You need to have rules that you follow, regardless of how you feel. I’m not sure my father’s death would disturb me a great deal, and that’s not a criticism of him. I think he’s great, but I assume that he, like everyone else, has his time. In fact, I’d be much *more* distraught if I were the one who killed him than if a stranger did it. Our courts, sadly, put waayy to much stock in how people feel.
@@czechraiser it's like when I get a gift. My reaction is almost identical whether I really love it and think it's amazing, or if I'm kinda disappointed just because people often react weirdly to thingz
"Cartel members exhibit a particular sensitivity about people taking their money, and often respond in a less than pro-social manner." Doc, this might be my favorite line of yours and I badly want this on a coffee cup or t-shirt.
Reminds me of Family guy translating Wu-Tang… - “I give 110% when it comes to helping my community, even though I occasionally associate with some less than reputable characters”
This murder was so obviously a cartel hit it's laughable. The police and prosecutors knew they couldn't (or didn't want to) nail the actual cartel killers, so they picked an easy fall guy.
10 years ago my sister died of an overdose. She was 7 months pregnant with my soon-to-be niece or nephew. When I heard the news from my dad, I didn't shed a tear. Instead I moved 2400 miles away (back to my hometown), and about 3 months after the day she died I started crying uncontrollably. Every so often when I start thinking about her the same thing happens, I well-up and get emotional. But on the day I found, I just couldn't react....it was like it didn't really happen, and it took weeks for it to start sinking in. I miss her and think about her all of the time. Everyone handles grief differently.
I have always believed he's not guilty. I love how the police think they know how someone "should" behave, whether innocent or not. 🙄 Thanks Dr Grande!
Can we all thank Dr. grande for deciding to do TH-cam. I’d like to hear the story of why he decided to do this what inspired him to just start making all of these videos
@Why O Why watch Dr G's Thank You 700k subscribers video. It's very insightful and he candidly talks about his motivation for putting out his videos and why he works so hard.
I love his straight forward professional advice. It has helped me break free emotionally as well as physically from a very narcissistic husband. Total no contact was the answer for me . Best to all dealing with a narcissist.
An adult son was convicted of murdering his parents in my state, and it turned out that a motorcycle gang that was dealing drugs were the perpetrators. This man was on death row for a number of months. He was the one who found his parents dead. The three were farmers on their small farm together. His brothers and sisters all told the police he was innocent, and hired a private attorney. He was still wrongly convicted.
@@tinawindham6958 He was fully exonerated many years ago. I don't know whether he ever got any compensation, not that there is a way to compensate him for his trauma. His life is changed forever.
Didn't it get mentioned that this kid had been taught not to show emotion by his father? That would mean his lack of emotion was a taught behaviour surely.
I have an anecdote to add here. After my father died, relatives told me to not mourn him. My mother told me to stop crying, and accept it (in a very cold manner). How I react to death now kind of puts people off, because of how indifferent I am towards it. But I was conditioned to not show emotion by family, and I was way older than him.
My late father would beat us for crying . We couldn’t cry even after he beat us . I noticed it after my sister was crying at one of her friends funeral. I glared at her to stop her . We were both so trained that she stopped immediately and I felt weird that I’d done that to warn her.
Are YOU insane??? Maybe you grew up in a lovely home with normal parents. Lucky you. Those of us who had parents who should never have been allowed to have children know that there is nothing they won't do.
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for parents to try to restrict extreme emotions in their kids. I've always found it creepy how hysterical grown adults can get over a death of a person, or even more minor things like a pet passing. I'd rather have kids who grow up to deal with things in a quiet, dignified manner than crying uncontrollably over their sports team losing. You have to man up and don't melt like snowflakes.
It’s deeply concerning that the State can simply decide you must have committed a crime, and that there is nothing you can do to avert that, because the state does not want to declare itself wrong in its conviction.
@@SomethingLame Because there's something very powerful about a narrative backed up by character assignation. You tell a terrible story about a terrible person, it's human nature to believe that story. Then you believe everything that backs that story up and don't believe anything that calls that story into question. We also can't assume the defense did a good job.
The trial JUDGE is supposed to be the ultimate safeguard in place, to referee whether or not the prosecution has met their burden of proof. All too often they are just like the fox guarding the chicken coop, acting more like just a rubber stamp for the police & prosecution.
I love your comment about the Mustang! Spot on.🤣 On a serious note. When my daughter, 15 at the time, was told that her father died suddenly, she had no reaction. Just blank. It took years for it to hit her. So, yes, everyone reacts differently.
My cousin reacted like that when her dad died. It only hit her 2 years later and she was a complete wreck. Since that grief hit, she has never been the same again. She was a daddy's girl. They were so close.
When i was 19 my fav uncle died... My family told me and i laid back in bed... It hit me later... I was just processing. Another time I remember was my mother's best friend's child had an awful asthma attack. My mother and I drove to the hospital. I was there they basically told us he was brain-dead and they were going to pull the plug and we left. I was sad ...the kid was 10 or 11. Once again through all that I was just in shock but when I went to the funeral home I don't think I ever cried that much, I had to be carried by my friend and comforted by the poor mother of the deceased child. It just shows you you don't know when it's going to hit you
It never ceases to shock me how many people, especially with professional and unprofessional ties to authority, are crazy incompetent in interpreting people’s emotions, while at the same time behaving as masters of it.
Look up Altemio Sanchez Buffalo New York. Read up on that case that was a real miscarriage of Justice. A man who was mentally disabled went to jail and then to prison for rapes and murders he didn't commit. The guy got away with it and then killed again and that's how he was caught and the guy was finally released from prison but he had to go to a facility and couldn't stay at home with his family because they couldn't take care of him. Absolutely horrible horrible what happened. Have they found the right guy in the first place Joan diver wouldn't have died.
He's innocent. Living in Florida all my life and seeing a lot of cartel hit cases, this was 100% a cartel hit. The police and prosecutors were so intent on pinning the crime on this kid I honestly think the actual cartel hitmen could have walked into the police statement and written out a signed confession and they'd still brush it off. If this case were in Florida a jury would have laughed the case out of court.
Personally, my favourite phrase from a cop in these cases is "they weren't showing enough emotion"/"they were acting too emotional" No matter how you react to grief, if the cops think it's you they'll act like you're grieving wrong
I had the same reaction at my fathers funeral. I felt numb and put all my focus on taking care of my fathers loose ends and funeral arrangements. I didn't cry until 3 or 4 weeks later when there was nothing left to focus on. Nobody should be judged by their reaction to death at a funeral.
I actually made a Playlist to listen to at night so I could learn something interesting and hear the calm of his voice at the same time. Now that I'm typing this it sounds rather creepy. There's a good Podbean podcast also FWIW
Can you just imagine...going down for a triple homicide, not to mention it being your own family and 15 or whatever years removed from the incident. What a F'n nightmare.
This isn't even a case where it it looks like the convicted man *might* have done it. Not only is there next to no chance he did it, literally EVERYTHING points to a cartel hit. Even worse, there doesn't appear to be much chance of him getting out. Cartels know how to take someone out - which is why evidence is all but non-existent. It'll be hard for this guy to prove he didn't do it, barring some surprise evidence.
@@davidhollenshead4892 No man, he's absolutely right about that. Look, I'm a GM guy myself and I will admit the 1984 Camaro/Firebird/Trans-Am's were absolute pigs. "American muscle" they were not and I blame our greedy, stupid auto industry for that. Every single one of those cars had dished out pistons and were so slow they couldn't get out of their own way from the factory. You got none of the performance of a sweet V8 but you still had God awful gas mileage. This is precisely why so many people went with Japanese cars and I don't blame them. It wasn't until 1993 when GM decided to make a decent pony car with their (at the time) stupidly fast F-body LT1. It took Ford a full year to respond with their 1994 5.0 Mustang and finally after almost 20 years American muscle was back. The horsepower arms race has continued unabated...it's a shame Pontiac went down in flames. Coincidentally my first muscle car was (still have it) a 1994 25th Anniversary Trans-Am w/6-speed that I got in 1999 when I was 17.
Oh Dr. G..." There was no reason to help a 1984 Mustang not run. They did that automatically." Priceless. I had a 1969 Ford Mustang as my first car. I should have kept it!!!
@@erikparent8176 My dad paid $1200 for it when I turned 16. It was a couple years old and had 50,000 miles on it. Bright red, white interior, three speed on the floor. I loved that car. I was devastated when he decided to "trade up" to a 1972 powder blue Plymouth Duster brand new when I went to college. I never told him of course because I would have been acting like an entitled brat but that car was a nightmare....lol
@@kkheflin3 Cool story! The 69 Mustang is a beautiful car! I'd like to have the 72 Duster as well! Drop a big engine in it and turn it into a hot rod! 🔥🚘🛣🚨
@@erikparent8176 That is EXACTLY what my younger brother did when I gave him the Duster years later!!! I got married and we moved across the country and my brother needed a car. He" dropped a big engine in it" ( I don't know car lingo LOL) and painted it navy blue to match the interior. The "powder blue" was a bit much for him! LOL
I go numb when something bad happens. Then about a week or so afterwards, I’ll start crying or have emotions then. I hope Jeff appeals his sentence and an organization such as The Innocence Project takes up his case. Your analysis of course is fair and balanced. Glad you came out with this conclusion.
I'm a retired forensic captain that specialized in training staff on working with the criminally insane.. So naturally I enjoy your channel. I agree with your assessment of this case. Sadly law enforcement takes the "easy" way out in far too many cases. However as a longtime firearms enthusiast, I can confidently say that a 20 ga shotgun will seldom leave bruises unless someone happens to bruise easily. I've shot more than 100 rounds in a day and while there was a little soreness, there was no bruising. (just my 2 cents). This is only a minor detail and a guilty verdict should never have been reached with so much doubt. Thanks for the great videos and keep them coming.
Bruising can happen from a single shot if you aren't holding the weapon correctly. I know. Happened to me with an AR. Had butt stock ridges imprinted in my shoulder. (But i was shirtless and not holding it tight against my shoulder)
@@paulmartin2166 it was my first time shooting. Im not at that part yet so idk what sort of bruising they're talking about .. but some is more than possible even from 1 shot.
Well honestly I was just looking at him and thought the Exact same thing. I used to model and it was all about the colors with your skin tone. He looks Great!!!
Dr. Grande: Again, I love the fact that you play fair. That quality can be hard to come by. You put out a good observation and I am right with you on this. The Prosecution can be very brutal and it can be hard for the jury not to side with them. The jury should have their guards up when they hear the pushing ways of the prosecution. Like you said Dr. Grande, they only focused on Jeff Pelley and not anyone else. Thank you for a good video Dr. Grande.
So many Dr Grande videos to watch. I binge watch and while I'm binge-watching more videos come up. Thank God there's something other than the news to watch and listen to.
Not a para-social concern or anything, but Dr. grande was in one of my dreams, I was trying to tell him I was concerned he was too busy. Then I woke up and watched one of his videos and was happy to see he's still in top form, haha. 😂 So prolific!
I'm incredulous. Hearing the facts and the circumstances of this case, I never once thought that the child was responsible for murdering his family. But how could a CONVICTION occur with this body of evidence!? The burden of proof is on the prosecution, so you have to PROVE that he committed these murders. There's no blood, no gunpowder residue, nor any witnesses. You can't merely suspect him, or say "well he COULD have killed his family, so....lock him up!". I'm incredulous.
I agree. That's what this is - he could have done it, therefore he did it. There's just too much power in the hands of the detectives and prosecutor to make up a narrative. It's scary.
Many cases go that way, you can see by watching Dr. Grande and Dateline. Our system of justice is an adversarial contest, and seems to get really mixed results. Like our political system. That, too, is a contest and has devolved so that contestants just bash each other, and bash segments of the public. All it is, is bash bash bash. That's why sensible people have come to hate politics, and it has been left to psychos. We need to reform the whole system.
My mom worked for Jeff Pelleys wife, Kim Pelley here in Fort Myers, FL. They have a son together, who I know, Justin Pelley. He’s about 5-6 years older than me, so he used to give me hand me down clothes and I still have a pair of nice Jordan shorts that I still wear to this day. This has always been crazy, to know I grew up so close to a phenomenon like this…
Every time you talk about guns or vehicles I'm amazed at how much you know about something I wouldn't normally think a doctor would bother with and also throw in a joke or two to boot. Wonderful video as always and congrats on another sponsored video.
"There was no need to remove parts from that car. It was designed to do that automatically." 1984 Mustang fans: (Cricket sounds because they don't exist.)
I remember hearing about this case YEARS ago.. and the way it was presented was very different from yours.. it was laid out like a blueprint for the prosecution.. because I remember thinking that he had done it.. it’s AMAZING how extra information(or omission of it) can twist a narrative .. Thank you for providing the whole picture
I hate it how if someone doesn’t act devastated over a family member’s murder, that person is automatically assumed to be the killer. I have a few family members whose deaths wouldn’t upset me, but I don’t plan on killing them.
Yeah my grandmom died a few years ago we were extremely close but I just had few tears when she died even tho I was extremly sad and I still am. People are complex and have different reactions like for example my dad had complete meltdown and cried like crazy we both were sad even tho we had different reactions. And also some people wanna cry alone or whatever and not show emotions in front of people.
@@polopena3337 So sorry about your grandmother’s death. Yes, people are so very complex and drastically different from family to family, and even person to person.
Even then, the police will get suspicious if you're "too emotional" about it or express different levels of emotion over time or react to certain topics differently (ie not crying during interrogation until the death of the person is brought up, not crying at all during the interrogation because the person is trying to keep composure for the sake of better communication, expressing anger at the death instead of sadness, expressing emptiness and shock, etc). There is no winning for people who don't follow the exact nonsensical standards that are set for them.
@@Autumn_Forest_ thanks for the condolences. Me and my grandma had already discussed about every possible topic that could have been talked about no unturned stones. Grandma was already old and she even joked about her death she was not afraid of death and always told me that if she dies she doesnt want me to be sad or cry about. She said that she wants me to go live happy life and think aboit all the happy memories of her that I have. Also my last words to her were im going to show my new haircut to you tomorrow but I did not realize it was going to be the last moment I was going to see her. Life happens so quick but like I said we had talked about everything and she knew I loved her and vice versa and it was the most important thing.
Judging a person's emotional reactions is suspect at best for many people. As someone with Asperger's, I'd flunk horribly if I were ever interrogated. I don't show any real outward emotion, like being upset let alone crying, even with the death of a family members. The sick irony is actual psychopaths tend to be pretty good at faking emotions, while people like me are horrid at it.
Dr. Grande's doppelganger mug, located on the bookshelf, looks angry and is boring holes into Dr. Grande's back. It looks like it means business. Watch out, Dr. Grande!
Dr Grande, I think its harmful to children or anyone else, to tell them they cannot cry!!! I imagine you agree? Thank you for this very interesting analysis.
If it HAD been carried out by Jeff, surely he'd have waited for EVERYONE to be home before he carried out the murder. If there are family members missing it tends to be people who didn't know the family that carried out the murder.
This was one of my questions. I think we established a motive for the father (albeit a flimsy one), but what motive was there to kill the rest of the family?
This is one of the few channels that presents the best arguments and evidence for both sides, for and against guilt, in major crimes. Deep respect for that. Lordan Arts and Criminally Listed also deserve praise on this score.
Jeff's biological sister and one of his stepsisters were not at home when the murders happened. I've seen a version of this murder case that has his step-sister in it that is so one-sided it angered me that they would even televise it. The show gives almost no version of the reasons he is innocent, and doesn't say one word about him having a biological sister. His step-sister has PTSD from losing her family, and having to live with other people. Everything she says about this case is based mostly on her emotional problems, and possible false memories, I think she is delusional. Jeff's biological sister says he is innocent.
Plus, he showered and left the house to go to his GF house to go to prom. Then, was with friends at an amusement park all day. He had clothes in a brown bag in his trunk that he wore to dinner the night before so wouldn't they be bloody after he killed 3 people?!?! I watched the evil lives here show and convinced he was guilty. But, then listened to podcast Counter Clock. Season 3 is about this case and I was upset after hearing it as I changed my mind completely.
Everytime I watch one of these videos I learn about some whole new creative way to be a f**ked up individual. Father forbids children to cry after mother's death. I mean... wtf??? How do people come up with this sht?
I know exactly how it feels when you are forbidden to cry after your mother dies, I was 8 years old when my mother died, it felt like my whole world ended that moment I found out, but my step father forbade me to cry. I am still grieving 50 years on.
It drives me crazy, when law inforcement makes a judgement of guilt based on how someone reacts to a death. I was an ER nurse for 25+ years. Was there when people were told their loved ones had died. The reactions ranged from full out hysterics on the ground to absolutely stone face non reaction. This fact should never be allowed to be used as a tool for guilt or innocence. It’s baseless and cops are to look at evidence not a judgment.
I know I'm 1 year late but I have to say that if it's the only thing they have to convict someone that doesn't mean anything. My girlfriend died in car crash and I was in the car behind her. I had absolutely no reactions. I helped the responders and diverted traffic. ( at that time I wanted to be a police officer so that fit) no others even had an impact in my life like this one and it still affect me to this day. So the reaction don't mean anything.
You raise some interesting points. Regarding the lack of bruising on Jeff's shoulder, a 20 gauge shotgun recoils less that a 12 or 10 gauge. Six shots from a 20 gauge most likely wouldn't leave any bruising unless the shooter was prone to bruising easily. Since the gun wasn't found, it's also possible that gun had a pad on the stock known as a recoil reducer.
I liked this very much Dr. Grande! This guy deserves some national attention. Maybe this will spark some interest and a tv show can pick this up! There are like 5 or 6 major things that dont add up! Very good!🙂⚖
We are not talking about addition, rather about playing chess on the plaid shirt - I said church. I think the cartel was to blame and his dads bad conscience. All contributed as factors in the family murder......contorted the timeline..
RE your CD comment: I recently bought a CD from a thrift store. The original owner had left the receipt inside it. It was purchased in July 1988 for $15.95 ($16.91 after taxes). That’s a lot of money in 1988 - so yes, they were still rather new and expensive in 1989. I was a poor kid and didn’t own CDs until 1994-5, when was an adult and could afford to buy them for myself.
Jeff's dad literally would not let him cry when his mom died when he was a child. How could it be surprising that he doesn't show much emotion as an adult?
"1984 Ford Mustang doesn't need help not running..." ouch! As a diehard Camaro, Trans-Am, and Firebird guy I applaud you sir. I have a 1994 25th Anniversary Trans-Am, 2002 Firehawk Trans-Am, and a 2012 SS Camaro (all mint)...they eat Mustangs all day long. I knew there must be a reason I liked you doc beyond your great coverage here. ;)
One point about Jeff's possible innocence, which is what I believe. The removed distributor cap: to those who don't know, before fuel injection, the distributor cap sends electrical charge through wires that connect to the spark plugs in each cylinder, and the firing order has to be precise or the engine won't run (each wire goes to a specific cylinder, and I've never seen them numbered). Unless he knew what he was doing, it could take WAY more than 20 minutes just to do that alone plus the time it takes to install 5ue fuses
Dr. G!..."Cartel members exhibit a particular sensitivity about people taking their money and often respond in less than a pro-social manner." I doubled over.....What are we going to do with you Dr. G. You are the best.
I think another thing that points to reasonable doubt for Jeff is the fact that one of his father’s coworkers from back at the bank in Florida was _also_ murdered. This man also lived a less than extraordinary life besides his time at that bank. If I remember correctly, the man had been shot and then encased in concrete. I think this leads to the whole theory of the bank job having something to do with the Pelley murders being much less of a farfetched idea.
It always takes me awhile to realize when someone close to me has passed that its really what has happened and until then I'm numb basically but once I do I'm a huge wreck. Iv always worried that it could be misconstrued as though it didn't bother me.
Any mechanic who worked on both imports & domestic could tell you, 1984 Mustangs & domestic cars were decent but slower due to the new emission laws. I'd take a fox body 5-liter wt a manual transmission over any 84 Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc...
Dr Grande, your comments about how police and others interpreted a lack of visible emotions from a family member of a murder victim as a sign of guilt reminds me of one of the most controversial cases in Australia: that of Lindy Chamberlain who was initially convicted of murdering her baby but was subsequently exonerated. Her story was that a dingo had carried the baby away. You might find this an interesting case to review.
Dr. Grande. I hope you will re-consider making an occasional video regarding clinical psychology topics. Those videos explain mental health issues in ways that offer a highly, accessible approach to such topics. You have a captive audience on popular topics these days. I am one such audience member. This could greatly benefit people.
Very good analysis, especially when we live in a climate of LE is always correct. I hope one of those college-affiliated legal justice groups look into this case.
Jacque (one of Jeff's sisters who was away that weekend) did, in fact, testify that Jeff was given permission to go to Prom and the after-Prom party by his father. She has started the Innocence Project long ago on his behalf. Evidentiary hearing forthcoming sometime this year.
When we go through men's departments now in clothing stores, we look at the shirts and sometimes think, "Oh, hey, that would look good on Dr. Grande." 😉
Could you comment on recovery struggles from natural disasters? I have been through several major hurricanes in Florida. People some times slide into a shock state. Its difficult to get them to realize what has happened. They may need more help than they comprehend. The disaster victim may not recognize they have physical injuries, also. Hurricane Andrew was a classic. It hit the sweet little Florida town of Homestead. The Mayor was in a state of shock and trying to put his thoughts together. The town was crushed. The floods of Germany and Austria brings this subject to the front again.
I'm not considered autistic, but I expect I am on the adhd spectrum, such diagnoses weren't available when I was at middle school many years ago. I also have reason to fear this arbitrary judgment that self control is incriminating, as I do not easily show emotion. My car was once stolen, a very nice car, and the police were convinced by my lack of scream-and-shoutiness that I must have arranged the disappearance of the car for insurance reasons. It's surprising that police can have such a narrow view of a 'normal' reaction to a traumatic or upsetting event.
I know that because of my ADD in stressful situations instead of getting emotional or nervous I tend to calm down instead. Could this be the reason for Jeff being less emotional?
This is so interesting to me, bc I’ve heard this story told a few times before, and I’ve always heard Jeff presented as this entitled psycho, with no exculpatory evidence presented. I never knew the full story. How sad.
Looking fab, Dr G! What a sad case though. So sad to hear that this poor lad had such unimaginable tragedy in his life, pretty much all the way through to the ultimate tragedy of being wrongfully imprisoned. Thank you for drawing attention to this case, Dr. and thank God this poor lad was not executed; there's still time for justice to be served.🙏
A couple of years ago my parents and aunt died in a head on collision. At the time and even months afterwards, I thought there was something wrong with me or that I was a cold or even evil person, because I felt completely numb unlike everyone around me who were constantly crying and falling apart. I was confused about how I was supposed to feel and sometimes felt like a fraud, because everyone was expecting me to show my emotions outwardly. My only indication that things weren't the same at the time was that I couldn't sleep, even after taking prescribed sedatives and I would wake up every morning wondering if that day was my last. The reality of their death only started hitting me nearly a year afterwards and I lived in dread of losing anyone else in my family. So I agree fully with Dr. Grande that grief works differently with each person.
I really think there should be a statute of limitations- even for murder- in cases without significant new evidence. I don't like the idea of a new prosecutor just deciding to dredge up and 'have a go' at 13 year old case because s/he fancies his/her chances this time.
Boys/young men present themselves very different when they are 17 years. I remember my son and his friends at that age, they don’t look you in the eyes, look down, when they are a group. My son told me that one of the boys was so afraid of dark that he couldn’t go in to a room if someone didn’t put the lights on. Those are difficult years, their frontal lobes mature sometimes as late as 25 years. They never expressed emotions. He has later told me many facts from these years, that he then deemed unfit for me to know. And he and his schoolmates are now lawabiding young men, he smiling and happy. I think these years 15-19 are sometimes very difficult for men. So I’m very grateful you addressed that, and as you said there is no correct way to show emotions, you can be stunned by the shock. Thank you for bringing up that case. If look for a job I US you can always be a pastor ?? 🇸🇪
Jeff reacted to the news of the killings in the way his dad had insisted he react to Jeff’s mother’s death. He learned to suppress an emotional reaction so as to not incur his dad’s wrath. It’s possible he defaulted to this non emotional response even though his dad was no longer there to enforce it.
Exactly my thoughts, Renee.
That's my guess.
Good point. I was raised to believe negative emotions were wrong, bad and shameful. Didn't know why i couldnt cry like my friends over sad things until I was an adult. That conditioning in childhood really sticks.
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Wow. I wonder why parents think it's bad to show emotions 🤔
As my dad put it when I was six "Nobody wants to hear that shit! You need to fucking grow up! Go to your room!"
I appreciate that you often point out that an observable emotional reaction or lack of to a major event does not point to a person's guilt or innocence.
Me too
It's called shock. The mind can't grasp the horror .
@@patriciabuuck5277 it can also be a simple inability to express emotion or even to feel it immediately.
@@czechraiser Or a genuine lack of emotion. You don’t need to have a strong reaction to a murder to still be the last person who’d ever commit it.
Decent people don’t just feel for everyone. That’s a guarantor of bias. You need to have rules that you follow, regardless of how you feel. I’m not sure my father’s death would disturb me a great deal, and that’s not a criticism of him. I think he’s great, but I assume that he, like everyone else, has his time. In fact, I’d be much *more* distraught if I were the one who killed him than if a stranger did it. Our courts, sadly, put waayy to much stock in how people feel.
@@czechraiser it's like when I get a gift. My reaction is almost identical whether I really love it and think it's amazing, or if I'm kinda disappointed just because people often react weirdly to thingz
"Cartel members exhibit a particular sensitivity about people taking their money, and often respond in a less than pro-social manner." Doc, this might be my favorite line of yours and I badly want this on a coffee cup or t-shirt.
Reminds me of Family guy translating Wu-Tang… - “I give 110% when it comes to helping my community, even though I occasionally associate with some less than reputable characters”
I rewound it to show my partner this one.
Haha!! I had a 79 Mustang that ran (not) the way you described.
So did he leave the house right as the cartel arrived?
This murder was so obviously a cartel hit it's laughable. The police and prosecutors knew they couldn't (or didn't want to) nail the actual cartel killers, so they picked an easy fall guy.
10 years ago my sister died of an overdose. She was 7 months pregnant with my soon-to-be niece or nephew. When I heard the news from my dad, I didn't shed a tear. Instead I moved 2400 miles away (back to my hometown), and about 3 months after the day she died I started crying uncontrollably. Every so often when I start thinking about her the same thing happens, I well-up and get emotional. But on the day I found, I just couldn't react....it was like it didn't really happen, and it took weeks for it to start sinking in. I miss her and think about her all of the time. Everyone handles grief differently.
I’m really sorry about your sister.
*WELL UP
That’s as profound as anything I’ve read. You captured reality completely. I know. I’ve been there.
I’m so tired of the cops blaming people who undergo extreme shock for going into shock.
Well said!
I have always believed he's not guilty. I love how the police think they know how someone "should" behave, whether innocent or not. 🙄
Thanks Dr Grande!
see: www.justiceforjeff.org/
I think a lot of these places don't care about guilt or innocence in some cases. They just want to mark the case "Solved" and forget about it.
@@bunny7741 Ah, conspiracies.
So much more attractive than boring facts.
@Rick Mortar let's hope you're not law enforcement! lol
@@oldbatwit5102 identifying and appreciating the incentive structure facing law enforcement isn't a conspiracy theory.
Can we all thank Dr. grande for deciding to do TH-cam. I’d like to hear the story of why he decided to do this what inspired him to just start making all of these videos
I don't want to.
@Why O Why watch Dr G's Thank You 700k subscribers video. It's very insightful and he candidly talks about his motivation for putting out his videos and why he works so hard.
I love his straight forward professional advice. It has helped me break free emotionally as well as physically from a very narcissistic husband. Total no contact was the answer for me . Best to all dealing with a narcissist.
@@awreckingball I don't resent anyone legally making money, especially when they're helping others.
@@MK-kf8gz dr. grande to the rescue normal start a little comic book about him
An adult son was convicted of murdering his parents in my state, and it turned out that a motorcycle gang that was dealing drugs were the perpetrators. This man was on death row for a number of months. He was the one who found his parents dead. The three were farmers on their small farm together. His brothers and sisters all told the police he was innocent, and hired a private attorney. He was still wrongly convicted.
I hope he gets justice…couldn’t imagine that .glad his family stuck by him. Makes you reconsider calling in a murder….
@@tinawindham6958 He was fully exonerated many years ago. I don't know whether he ever got any compensation, not that there is a way to compensate him for his trauma. His life is changed forever.
it seems common place for American police to act as though it's guilty till proven innocent and what's reasonable doubt so many injustices very sad
Gary Gauger I googled it and if anyone wants to look it up too.
Name
Didn't it get mentioned that this kid had been taught not to show emotion by his father? That would mean his lack of emotion was a taught behaviour surely.
Yeah, and if you’re not going to be emotional over the death of a parent at a young age, when IS it ok to show emotion??
@@esteemedmortal5917
Depends what ge was taught and how. If you got beat up or shamed for it, it could quite possibly be at appropriate times too.
I have an anecdote to add here. After my father died, relatives told me to not mourn him. My mother told me to stop crying, and accept it (in a very cold manner). How I react to death now kind of puts people off, because of how indifferent I am towards it. But I was conditioned to not show emotion by family, and I was way older than him.
Yep - I'd be shocked if this were anything other than a cartel hit.
My late father would beat us for crying . We couldn’t cry even after he beat us . I noticed it after my sister was crying at one of her friends funeral. I glared at her to stop her . We were both so trained that she stopped immediately and I felt weird that I’d done that to warn her.
"He wouldn't let his kids cry over thier mothers death" um that's not how humans work, what a piece of crap
calm down.
Are YOU insane??? Maybe you grew up in a lovely home with normal parents. Lucky you. Those of us who had parents who should never have been allowed to have children know that there is nothing they won't do.
@@ansnfbsknanssshshbsnsndnd5438 I'm a she btw lol. But yes I agree with lorane I think she misread me
@@DrummaBoy202 you calm down.
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for parents to try to restrict extreme emotions in their kids. I've always found it creepy how hysterical grown adults can get over a death of a person, or even more minor things like a pet passing. I'd rather have kids who grow up to deal with things in a quiet, dignified manner than crying uncontrollably over their sports team losing. You have to man up and don't melt like snowflakes.
It’s deeply concerning that the State can simply decide you must have committed a crime, and that there is nothing you can do to avert that, because the state does not want to declare itself wrong in its conviction.
The jury and the defense attorneys are supposed to be what averts it. Not sure why they failed to do so.
@@SomethingLame Because there's something very powerful about a narrative backed up by character assignation. You tell a terrible story about a terrible person, it's human nature to believe that story. Then you believe everything that backs that story up and don't believe anything that calls that story into question. We also can't assume the defense did a good job.
Black and latino americans have been experiencing that their entire lives
@@JoseGonzalez-kr8gg agree but so have poor whites
if their reason is good enough they can lock you away. they literally don't care
Most DAs and prosecutors care more about their reputations in getting convictions than if someone is actually innocent, it enrages me.
look up matt orchard
So true.
Cops can be pushy for the same "career" reasons. That's WHY in a lot of countries they don't have ELECTED prosecutors (D.A.'s)
Absolutely! Happened to a member of my family 20 yrs ago.
The trial JUDGE is supposed to be the ultimate safeguard in place, to referee whether or not the prosecution has met their burden of proof.
All too often they are just like the fox guarding the chicken coop, acting more like just a rubber stamp for the police & prosecution.
Dr grande being sponsored by a life insurance company hits different
Life insurance company 😂
Remember when Joe Rogan had academics/scholars on, sponsored by Flesh-Light (the masterbertory aide)?
@@XanderShiller Damn it man, I know what a fleshlight is. I have three of them for Christ sake!
Omg lmfao
@@johnc7385 I'm not saying you're a "derp", but I never thought flashlights are polygamous.
I love your comment about the Mustang! Spot on.🤣
On a serious note. When my daughter, 15 at the time, was told that her father died suddenly, she had no reaction. Just blank. It took years for it to hit her. So, yes, everyone reacts differently.
So true..everyone reacts differently as people grieve differently. I hope that you+ your daughter are doing well. Sending you Love from Australia.ox 🐞
So sorry for your loss. Yes, when my mom died I didn’t cry right away. I was in shock.
My cousin reacted like that when her dad died. It only hit her 2 years later and she was a complete wreck. Since that grief hit, she has never been the same again. She was a daddy's girl. They were so close.
When i was 19 my fav uncle died... My family told me and i laid back in bed... It hit me later... I was just processing.
Another time I remember was my mother's best friend's child had an awful asthma attack. My mother and I drove to the hospital. I was there they basically told us he was brain-dead and they were going to pull the plug and we left. I was sad ...the kid was 10 or 11. Once again through all that I was just in shock but when I went to the funeral home I don't think I ever cried that much, I had to be carried by my friend and comforted by the poor mother of the deceased child. It just shows you you don't know when it's going to hit you
I was 9 when my father died. I wasn´t griefing, I just felt relief. He was a abusive alcoholic.
he'd been punished for emoting, so the lack thereof makes sense.
As someone on the Autism Spectrum, I can tell you I would definitely be convicted based on, "showing no emotion", or "showed no remorse!"
even if your mom got her face blasted off?
It never ceases to shock me how many people, especially with professional and unprofessional ties to authority, are crazy incompetent in interpreting people’s emotions, while at the same time behaving as masters of it.
I have aspbegers i would be wrongfully convicted also
Same here. My dads dead decomposing body was found in the middle of some woods and my reaction was basically “oh, that sucks” lol
Unless Jeff's alter-ego is The Flash, there is no way he committed those murders.
If he is innocent, then this conviction is incredibly messed up.
Look up Altemio Sanchez Buffalo New York. Read up on that case that was a real miscarriage of Justice. A man who was mentally disabled went to jail and then to prison for rapes and murders he didn't commit. The guy got away with it and then killed again and that's how he was caught and the guy was finally released from prison but he had to go to a facility and couldn't stay at home with his family because they couldn't take care of him. Absolutely horrible horrible what happened. Have they found the right guy in the first place Joan diver wouldn't have died.
It happens more than you think.
@@sarabrant723 Same thing in Illinois. The monster who murdered Jeanine Nicarico murdered two more while an innocent person sat in death row.
He's innocent. Living in Florida all my life and seeing a lot of cartel hit cases, this was 100% a cartel hit. The police and prosecutors were so intent on pinning the crime on this kid I honestly think the actual cartel hitmen could have walked into the police statement and written out a signed confession and they'd still brush it off. If this case were in Florida a jury would have laughed the case out of court.
Good observation!
Personally, my favourite phrase from a cop in these cases is "they weren't showing enough emotion"/"they were acting too emotional"
No matter how you react to grief, if the cops think it's you they'll act like you're grieving wrong
I had the same reaction at my fathers funeral. I felt numb and put all my focus on taking care of my fathers loose ends and funeral arrangements. I didn't cry until 3 or 4 weeks later when there was nothing left to focus on. Nobody should be judged by their reaction to death at a funeral.
I could listen to this guy for hours. His voice is so relaxing 😌
I actually made a Playlist to listen to at night so I could learn something interesting and hear the calm of his voice at the same time. Now that I'm typing this it sounds rather creepy. There's a good Podbean podcast also FWIW
@@JustJ-Me I only need one to get to sleep. I’m out halfway through.
Can you just imagine...going down for a triple homicide, not to mention it being your own family and 15 or whatever years removed from the incident. What a F'n nightmare.
@Justin Ferguson I doubt most people would kill all parties involved for wrongly convincing them. I wouldn’t, because I’m not a murderer.
@@nealkelly9757 probably *not* guilty. There, fixed it for you.
The chances of him being innocent are slim but yeah.
@@LukeMcGuireoides agree 100%!
This isn't even a case where it it looks like the convicted man *might* have done it. Not only is there next to no chance he did it, literally EVERYTHING points to a cartel hit. Even worse, there doesn't appear to be much chance of him getting out. Cartels know how to take someone out - which is why evidence is all but non-existent. It'll be hard for this guy to prove he didn't do it, barring some surprise evidence.
"1984 mustangs didn't need help not running" 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah this absolutely slayed me...I'm dead now.
Which of course is bull$hit...
@@davidhollenshead4892
No man, he's absolutely right about that. Look, I'm a GM guy myself and I will admit the 1984 Camaro/Firebird/Trans-Am's were absolute pigs. "American muscle" they were not and I blame our greedy, stupid auto industry for that. Every single one of those cars had dished out pistons and were so slow they couldn't get out of their own way from the factory. You got none of the performance of a sweet V8 but you still had God awful gas mileage. This is precisely why so many people went with Japanese cars and I don't blame them.
It wasn't until 1993 when GM decided to make a decent pony car with their (at the time) stupidly fast F-body LT1. It took Ford a full year to respond with their 1994 5.0 Mustang and finally after almost 20 years American muscle was back. The horsepower arms race has continued unabated...it's a shame Pontiac went down in flames. Coincidentally my first muscle car was (still have it) a 1994 25th Anniversary Trans-Am w/6-speed that I got in 1999 when I was 17.
Ford used to mean fix or repair daily
Oh Dr. G..." There was no reason to help a 1984 Mustang not run. They did that automatically." Priceless. I had a 1969 Ford Mustang as my first car. I should have kept it!!!
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@@erikparent8176 My dad paid $1200 for it when I turned 16. It was a couple years old and had 50,000 miles on it. Bright red, white interior, three speed on the floor. I loved that car. I was devastated when he decided to "trade up" to a 1972 powder blue Plymouth Duster brand new when I went to college. I never told him of course because I would have been acting like an entitled brat but that car was a nightmare....lol
@@kkheflin3
Cool story!
The 69 Mustang is a beautiful car!
I'd like to have the 72 Duster as well!
Drop a big engine in it and turn it into a hot rod! 🔥🚘🛣🚨
I had a 1965 Mustang. 100mph on the highway, but 2mph going around a bend. And it did break down often. LOL. But OH I loved that car.
@@erikparent8176 That is EXACTLY what my younger brother did when I gave him the Duster years later!!! I got married and we moved across the country and my brother needed a car. He" dropped a big engine in it" ( I don't know car lingo LOL) and painted it navy blue to match the interior. The "powder blue" was a bit much for him! LOL
I go numb when something bad happens. Then about a week or so afterwards, I’ll start crying or have emotions then. I hope Jeff appeals his sentence and an organization such as The Innocence Project takes up his case. Your analysis of course is fair and balanced. Glad you came out with this conclusion.
I'm a retired forensic captain that specialized in training staff on working with the criminally insane.. So naturally I enjoy your channel. I agree with your assessment of this case. Sadly law enforcement takes the "easy" way out in far too many cases. However as a longtime firearms enthusiast, I can confidently say that a 20 ga shotgun will seldom leave bruises unless someone happens to bruise easily. I've shot more than 100 rounds in a day and while there was a little soreness, there was no bruising. (just my 2 cents). This is only a minor detail and a guilty verdict should never have been reached with so much doubt. Thanks for the great videos and keep them coming.
I was wondering about that. I’m no expert, but I’ve done a lot of shooting with various caliber shotguns, and I was astonished at that idea....
Is that your car??
@@xminusone1 yes sir. One of my life long passions.
Bruising can happen from a single shot if you aren't holding the weapon correctly. I know. Happened to me with an AR. Had butt stock ridges imprinted in my shoulder. (But i was shirtless and not holding it tight against my shoulder)
@@paulmartin2166 it was my first time shooting. Im not at that part yet so idk what sort of bruising they're talking about .. but some is more than possible even from 1 shot.
Religion and moving to Florida. Two big red flags.
Unless you are an old Jewish lady.
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!
The colors of your shirt are very flattering for your skin tone, Dr Grande❣️
@@thekurtcobainfoundation4200 🤣thank you for the humor, and for agreeing with me. Enjoy your day❣️
it's not, sorry, white skin and salmon colors are a sin lmao
Well honestly I was just looking at him and thought the Exact same thing. I used to model and it was all about the colors with your skin tone. He looks Great!!!
Maybe it's flattering because it isn't salmon but coral
@@Fineb could be! Enjoy your day❣️
Wow! We have a compelling mystery here along with an early posting , a new sponsor, and a bright new shirt! It must be Christmas in July! Thanks, Doc!
Dr. Grande:
Again, I love the fact that you play fair. That quality can be hard to come by. You put out a good observation and I am right with you on this. The Prosecution can be very brutal and it can be hard for the jury not to side with them. The jury should have their guards up when they hear the pushing ways of the prosecution. Like you said Dr. Grande, they only focused on Jeff Pelley and not anyone else. Thank you for a good video Dr. Grande.
So many Dr Grande videos to watch. I binge watch and while I'm binge-watching more videos come up. Thank God there's something other than the news to watch and listen to.
Dr. Grande got me through the pandemic. Bless his heart. ♥️
@@judis3476 😇😍
@@cheridehart7771Same here! I knew it had been awhile but I'm nearly a whole background behind!
Not a para-social concern or anything, but Dr. grande was in one of my dreams, I was trying to tell him I was concerned he was too busy. Then I woke up and watched one of his videos and was happy to see he's still in top form, haha. 😂 So prolific!
YOu're not the only one who feels maybe we should crowd fund a fishing trip for him!!
I'm incredulous. Hearing the facts and the circumstances of this case, I never once thought that the child was responsible for murdering his family. But how could a CONVICTION occur with this body of evidence!? The burden of proof is on the prosecution, so you have to PROVE that he committed these murders. There's no blood, no gunpowder residue, nor any witnesses. You can't merely suspect him, or say "well he COULD have killed his family, so....lock him up!".
I'm incredulous.
I agree. That's what this is - he could have done it, therefore he did it. There's just too much power in the hands of the detectives and prosecutor to make up a narrative. It's scary.
Many cases go that way, you can see by watching Dr. Grande and Dateline.
Our system of justice is an adversarial contest, and seems to get really mixed results.
Like our political system. That, too, is a contest and has devolved so that contestants just bash each other, and bash segments of the public.
All it is, is bash bash bash.
That's why sensible people have come to hate politics, and it has been left to psychos.
We need to reform the whole system.
It is known as American justice.
My mom worked for Jeff Pelleys wife, Kim Pelley here in Fort Myers, FL. They have a son together, who I know, Justin Pelley. He’s about 5-6 years older than me, so he used to give me hand me down clothes and I still have a pair of nice Jordan shorts that I still wear to this day. This has always been crazy, to know I grew up so close to a phenomenon like this…
Every time you talk about guns or vehicles I'm amazed at how much you know about something I wouldn't normally think a doctor would bother with and also throw in a joke or two to boot. Wonderful video as always and congrats on another sponsored video.
"There was no need to remove parts from that car. It was designed to do that automatically."
1984 Mustang fans: (Cricket sounds because they don't exist.)
Yeah. They had a few bad years. They rested on their heels after Shelby.😁
@@truhhhhhhhokIII3 Money? No sir. It's about wisdom. If you're going to buy a car, you want it to last.
@@SquadJuiced Yeah, um that whole "running" car issue. Definitely not an '84 mustang....
Ikr? At first (wasn't listening carefully) I thought my dude was dunking on Mustangs, then I played it back and yeah, they sucked then.
Yeah, I had an 83, I routinely cranked 100mph + on the byways, no complaints here
I remember hearing about this case YEARS ago.. and the way it was presented was very different from yours.. it was laid out like a blueprint for the prosecution.. because I remember thinking that he had done it..
it’s AMAZING how extra information(or omission of it) can twist a narrative ..
Thank you for providing the whole picture
Makes one wonder if the Colombian matter and the total lack of shotgun ammunition in the house were even presented in court.
Horrible case, the person who's not guilty is in prison for life...Horrible and sad 😔 Thank You for the analysis Dr. Grande
I hate it how if someone doesn’t act devastated over a family member’s murder, that person is automatically assumed to be the killer. I have a few family members whose deaths wouldn’t upset me, but I don’t plan on killing them.
Yeah my grandmom died a few years ago we were extremely close but I just had few tears when she died even tho I was extremly sad and I still am. People are complex and have different reactions like for example my dad had complete meltdown and cried like crazy we both were sad even tho we had different reactions. And also some people wanna cry alone or whatever and not show emotions in front of people.
@@polopena3337 So sorry about your grandmother’s death. Yes, people are so very complex and drastically different from family to family, and even person to person.
Even then, the police will get suspicious if you're "too emotional" about it or express different levels of emotion over time or react to certain topics differently (ie not crying during interrogation until the death of the person is brought up, not crying at all during the interrogation because the person is trying to keep composure for the sake of better communication, expressing anger at the death instead of sadness, expressing emptiness and shock, etc). There is no winning for people who don't follow the exact nonsensical standards that are set for them.
I agree with you. Someone's emotions shouldn't be used as 'evidence'. It's totally subjective. We need to look at physical evidence.
@@Autumn_Forest_ thanks for the condolences. Me and my grandma had already discussed about every possible topic that could have been talked about no unturned stones. Grandma was already old and she even joked about her death she was not afraid of death and always told me that if she dies she doesnt want me to be sad or cry about. She said that she wants me to go live happy life and think aboit all the happy memories of her that I have. Also my last words to her were im going to show my new haircut to you tomorrow but I did not realize it was going to be the last moment I was going to see her. Life happens so quick but like I said we had talked about everything and she knew I loved her and vice versa and it was the most important thing.
How awful to be falsely accused-good of you advocate-I hate to think of how many innocent people are locked up.
Thank you for doing my request, Dr Grande.
Judging a person's emotional reactions is suspect at best for many people. As someone with Asperger's, I'd flunk horribly if I were ever interrogated. I don't show any real outward emotion, like being upset let alone crying, even with the death of a family members. The sick irony is actual psychopaths tend to be pretty good at faking emotions, while people like me are horrid at it.
Dr. Grande's doppelganger mug, located on the bookshelf, looks angry and is boring holes into Dr. Grande's back. It looks like it means business. Watch out, Dr. Grande!
I know, it looks a bit grumbledy!😜
Dr Grande, I think its harmful to children or anyone else, to tell them they cannot cry!!!
I imagine you agree?
Thank you for this very interesting analysis.
If it HAD been carried out by Jeff, surely he'd have waited for EVERYONE to be home before he carried out the murder. If there are family members missing it tends to be people who didn't know the family that carried out the murder.
This was one of my questions. I think we established a motive for the father (albeit a flimsy one), but what motive was there to kill the rest of the family?
@@levi1929 They witnessed the murder.
@@nealkelly9757 oh......that does fit. If I wanted to kill my dad, I could have lured him away from my brothers and sisters, though.
@@nealkelly9757 precisely
This is one of the few channels that presents the best arguments and evidence for both sides, for and against guilt, in major crimes. Deep respect for that.
Lordan Arts and Criminally Listed also deserve praise on this score.
Jeff's biological sister and one of his stepsisters were not at home when the murders happened. I've seen a version of this murder case that has his step-sister in it that is so one-sided it angered me that they would even televise it. The show gives almost no version of the reasons he is innocent, and doesn't say one word about him having a biological sister. His step-sister has PTSD from losing her family, and having to live with other people. Everything she says about this case is based mostly on her emotional problems, and possible false memories, I think she is delusional. Jeff's biological sister says he is innocent.
Plus, he showered and left the house to go to his GF house to go to prom. Then, was with friends at an amusement park all day. He had clothes in a brown bag in his trunk that he wore to dinner the night before so wouldn't they be bloody after he killed 3 people?!?! I watched the evil lives here show and convinced he was guilty. But, then listened to podcast Counter Clock. Season 3 is about this case and I was upset after hearing it as I changed my mind completely.
@@TwinMama09 ..Same here.
Didn't the step-sister say that Jeff admitted the murder to her? Or at least that was her version. If I remember correctly.
@@wintergarden7539... No, she never said that.
@@rullmourn1142 Ok, thank you. I wasn't certain.
Perfect timing, Dr. Grande! I just got done with an oncology consult and your videos have been a wonderful distraction! 🙏
Well wishes Lindsay!
I'm sorry to hear that. Check out Rick Simpson Oil. It has been know to help people in your situation. Good Luck and Fight Hard.
@@yasuke9317 don't. Just don't.
Wishing you well, you sound like you have a good positive attitude Lindsay it will serve you well at a time like this, take care. :)
Sending you Love+the very Best of wishes from Australia..May you receive good health news soon. ox 🐞
How can they convict him of murder if there’s no evidence against him?!
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@@Zeldarw104 Lack of emotion does not mean guilt!
The best sense of humor, timing, and delivery on the internet...
Everytime I watch one of these videos I learn about some whole new creative way to be a f**ked up individual.
Father forbids children to cry after mother's death. I mean... wtf??? How do people come up with this sht?
AND he's a pastor.
I know exactly how it feels when you are forbidden to cry after your mother dies, I was 8 years old when my mother died, it felt like my whole world ended that moment I found out, but my step father forbade me to cry. I am still grieving 50 years on.
It drives me crazy, when law inforcement makes a judgement of guilt based on how someone reacts to a death. I was an ER nurse for 25+ years. Was there when people were told their loved ones had died. The reactions ranged from full out hysterics on the ground to absolutely stone face non reaction. This fact should never be allowed to be used as a tool for guilt or innocence. It’s baseless and cops are to look at evidence not a judgment.
I know I'm 1 year late but I have to say that if it's the only thing they have to convict someone that doesn't mean anything. My girlfriend died in car crash and I was in the car behind her. I had absolutely no reactions. I helped the responders and diverted traffic. ( at that time I wanted to be a police officer so that fit) no others even had an impact in my life like this one and it still affect me to this day. So the reaction don't mean anything.
You raise some interesting points. Regarding the lack of bruising on Jeff's shoulder, a 20 gauge shotgun recoils less that a 12 or 10 gauge. Six shots from a 20 gauge most likely wouldn't leave any bruising unless the shooter was prone to bruising easily. Since the gun wasn't found, it's also possible that gun had a pad on the stock known as a recoil reducer.
Nah no way, this was a professional job.
I liked this very much Dr. Grande!
This guy deserves some national attention.
Maybe this will spark some interest and a tv show can pick this up!
There are like 5 or 6 major things that dont add up!
Very good!🙂⚖
We are not talking about addition, rather about playing chess on the plaid shirt - I said church. I think the cartel was to blame and his dads bad conscience. All contributed as factors in the family murder......contorted the timeline..
Give his sister’s interview a listen. She talks about how cruel he was to her growing up. Something was terribly off with that guy.
If I am ever charged with a crime, I will demand a jury of my Dr. Grandes!
We will be there for you.
RE your CD comment: I recently bought a CD from a thrift store. The original owner had left the receipt inside it. It was purchased in July 1988 for $15.95 ($16.91 after taxes). That’s a lot of money in 1988 - so yes, they were still rather new and expensive in 1989. I was a poor kid and didn’t own CDs until 1994-5, when was an adult and could afford to buy them for myself.
That's 45 bux today 😮
"The family would move to Florida in the late 70s"
Well, case closed.
Lmao
Yep - doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell ya this was a cartel hit.
Yet another comprehensive and highly detailed breakdown of a very complex case. Completely excellent.
Jeff's dad literally would not let him cry when his mom died when he was a child. How could it be surprising that he doesn't show much emotion as an adult?
You have changed forever how I will watch movies, videos and news. Who is a narcissist, what type, ect.
This one really hit me hard. It's very hard to believe he was found guilty and is serving time for this.
"1984 Ford Mustang doesn't need help not running..." ouch! As a diehard Camaro, Trans-Am, and Firebird guy I applaud you sir. I have a 1994 25th Anniversary Trans-Am, 2002 Firehawk Trans-Am, and a 2012 SS Camaro (all mint)...they eat Mustangs all day long. I knew there must be a reason I liked you doc beyond your great coverage here. ;)
John Holmes and the Wonderland murders would be an awesome analysis to listen to
Yes!! Would love to hear what Dr Grande has to say about that
So much drugs involved in those events but yeah would still be very interesting.
I second (fourth?) this! That case is batshit crazy and I’d love to hear Dr. Grande break it down.
One point about Jeff's possible innocence, which is what I believe. The removed distributor cap: to those who don't know, before fuel injection, the distributor cap sends electrical charge through wires that connect to the spark plugs in each cylinder, and the firing order has to be precise or the engine won't run (each wire goes to a specific cylinder, and I've never seen them numbered). Unless he knew what he was doing, it could take WAY more than 20 minutes just to do that alone plus the time it takes to install 5ue fuses
Dr. G!..."Cartel members exhibit a particular sensitivity about people taking their money and often respond in less than a pro-social manner." I doubled over.....What are we going to do with you Dr. G. You are the best.
I think another thing that points to reasonable doubt for Jeff is the fact that one of his father’s coworkers from back at the bank in Florida was _also_ murdered. This man also lived a less than extraordinary life besides his time at that bank. If I remember correctly, the man had been shot and then encased in concrete. I think this leads to the whole theory of the bank job having something to do with the Pelley murders being much less of a farfetched idea.
It always takes me awhile to realize when someone close to me has passed that its really what has happened and until then I'm numb basically but once I do I'm a huge wreck. Iv always worried that it could be misconstrued as though it didn't bother me.
Damn, Dr. Grande, throwin' shade on the '84 Mustang - lol!
Any mechanic who worked on both imports & domestic could tell you, 1984 Mustangs & domestic cars were decent but slower due to the new emission laws. I'd take a fox body 5-liter wt a manual transmission over any 84 Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc...
When the police focus on you their is no emotional response that will exempt you.
Usually, I always skip the part with sponsors on other videos. Somehow, I even love listening the sponsor part from Dr. Grande.
Simply fantastic I hope that the case is reviewed your thoughts on this are wonderful and should give the young man hope
Dr Grande, your comments about how police and others interpreted a lack of visible emotions from a family member of a murder victim as a sign of guilt reminds me of one of the most controversial cases in Australia: that of Lindy Chamberlain who was initially convicted of murdering her baby but was subsequently exonerated. Her story was that a dingo had carried the baby away.
You might find this an interesting case to review.
The cops love to assign blame to people for not responding to grief appropriately- as if they could analyze it.
Dr. Grande. I hope you will re-consider making an occasional video regarding clinical psychology topics. Those videos explain mental health issues in ways that offer a highly, accessible approach to such topics. You have a captive audience on popular topics these days. I am one such audience member. This could greatly benefit people.
Wow, that would ge a terrible miscarriage of justice.
Murica for ya
Nicole Didyk. Yes the USA is notorious for miscarriages of justice. It needs a complete overhaul!
Very good analysis, especially when we live in a climate of LE is always correct. I hope one of those college-affiliated legal justice groups look into this case.
That mullet screams master assassin
Nah. He just went to the Hair Cuttery.
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@@cindymaneylaws7658 The funny thing is that I had hair just like that between 87 and 92
The 1984 Mustang comment is spot on!
Has anyone tried to get him out? It sounds like he couldn't have done it.
Jacque (one of Jeff's sisters who was away that weekend) did, in fact, testify that Jeff was given permission to go to Prom and the after-Prom party by his father. She has started the Innocence Project long ago on his behalf. Evidentiary hearing forthcoming sometime this year.
When we go through men's departments now in clothing stores, we look at the shirts and sometimes think, "Oh, hey, that would look good on Dr. Grande." 😉
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I do that whenever I go cactus shopping
Could you comment on recovery struggles from natural disasters? I have been through several major hurricanes in Florida. People some times slide into a shock state. Its difficult to get them to realize what has happened. They may need more help than they comprehend. The disaster victim may not recognize they have physical injuries, also. Hurricane Andrew was a classic. It hit the sweet little Florida town of Homestead. The Mayor was in a state of shock and trying to put his thoughts together. The town was crushed.
The floods of Germany and Austria brings this subject to the front again.
It's better to acquit 100 guilty people than sentencing an innocent one
Yes please!
I'm not considered autistic, but I expect I am on the adhd spectrum, such diagnoses weren't available when I was at middle school many years ago. I also have reason to fear this arbitrary judgment that self control is incriminating, as I do not easily show emotion. My car was once stolen, a very nice car, and the police were convinced by my lack of scream-and-shoutiness that I must have arranged the disappearance of the car for insurance reasons. It's surprising that police can have such a narrow view of a 'normal' reaction to a traumatic or upsetting event.
The other aspect is that Jeff's father wouldn't allow him or his sister to show emotion, re the death of their mother.
They arrested him at 34? When did the crime occur? How long is the statute of limitation?
I don't think most states, if any, have any statute of limitations for murder(s) (?)
I know that because of my ADD in stressful situations instead of getting emotional or nervous I tend to calm down instead. Could this be the reason for Jeff being less emotional?
This is so interesting to me, bc I’ve heard this story told a few times before, and I’ve always heard Jeff presented as this entitled psycho, with no exculpatory evidence presented. I never knew the full story. How sad.
Looking fab, Dr G! What a sad case though. So sad to hear that this poor lad had such unimaginable tragedy in his life, pretty much all the way through to the ultimate tragedy of being wrongfully imprisoned. Thank you for drawing attention to this case, Dr. and thank God this poor lad was not executed; there's still time for justice to be served.🙏
When Dr. Grande says “It’s not unusual…” I hear Tom Jones start to sing. 🎶 🤣👍🏼
That mustang joke was brutal doc 😂
Thank you Doctor Grande for covering this crime in detail!
the highlight of my day.
A couple of years ago my parents and aunt died in a head on collision. At the time and even months afterwards, I thought there was something wrong with me or that I was a cold or even evil person, because I felt completely numb unlike everyone around me who were constantly crying and falling apart. I was confused about how I was supposed to feel and sometimes felt like a fraud, because everyone was expecting me to show my emotions outwardly.
My only indication that things weren't the same at the time was that I couldn't sleep, even after taking prescribed sedatives and I would wake up every morning wondering if that day was my last. The reality of their death only started hitting me nearly a year afterwards and I lived in dread of losing anyone else in my family.
So I agree fully with Dr. Grande that grief works differently with each person.
I really think there should be a statute of limitations- even for murder- in cases without significant new evidence. I don't like the idea of a new prosecutor just deciding to dredge up and 'have a go' at 13 year old case because s/he fancies his/her chances this time.
Boys/young men present themselves very different when they are 17 years. I remember my son and his friends at that age, they don’t look you in the eyes, look down, when they are a group. My son told me that one of the boys was so afraid of dark that he couldn’t go in to a room if someone didn’t put the lights on.
Those are difficult years, their frontal lobes mature sometimes as late as 25 years. They never expressed emotions. He has later told me many facts from these years, that he then deemed unfit for me to know. And he and his schoolmates are now lawabiding young men, he smiling and happy.
I think these years 15-19 are sometimes very difficult for men. So I’m very grateful you addressed that, and as you said there is no correct way to show emotions, you can be stunned by the shock. Thank you for bringing up that case.
If look for a job I US you can always be a pastor ?? 🇸🇪
Giving that 1984 Mustang some shade to park in. (that was a terrible car)
I love how thorough you are. Including both the positive and negative aspects. You describe very clearly what you say. I love it. 🌻💕