Unboxing & review - Kaico N64 2x Line Doubler HDMI adapter
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Kaico sent me one of their new N64 2x Line Doubler HDMI adapters for review, which is also compatible with SNES, SFC and GameCube (via the analog out port).
Kaico 2x Line Doubler for SNES/SFC/N64/GC:
kaicolabs.com/product/nintend...
00:00 introduction
03:08 the box
04:38 unboxing
05:30 manual
08:36 composite cable testing
12:00 HDMI adapter testing
22:42 conclusions
In this video I explain the video output connectivity for N64 and other Nintendo consoles, take an in-depth look at what's in the box, and test out the adapter with an unmodified N64 console on a 49" modern TV as well as offering my opinions on the product. There's also a look at the alternative option, comparing the quality of the signal from this adapter to the standard composite video cable.
I mainly wanted to get this adapter for use with the Nintendo 64 console, however if you'd like me to try it out with the SNES or GameCube in a future video let me know in the comments! I'd be happy to do that if there's a need.
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The "No power cable" for this adapter is really the biggest selling point. It looks about on par with any other line doubling rca/hdmi upscale box, but freeing up the mess of having another power cable to mess with makes this a much more enticing option.
I have this adapter coming today, thanks for the review! The other Kaico passthrough adapter is horrible so I’m glad I’m returning it and paying the extra
I hope it works out well for you!
You did this video perfect. I enjoyed it and learned about that adaptor you are using enough to want to buy one Thanks Mate
Thank you!
Hi Joe, this is your first video I've seen and you've gained a sub from your excellent coverage mate.
Thank you so much!
Great review! I'm thinking of picking one up, would love to see a video testing it on the gamecube
Thanks! I'm planning one testing it with the SNES and then a comparison with GameCube and their dedicated GameCube adapter
Just set one of these up. For someone that hasn't experienced the upscale of a retrotink, it actually does a really good job and that's without messing with settings or updating firmware.
Glad it was good for you mate!
Your game collection and random knick knacks all look so interesting. Please give us a tour! Especially in the shed!
Thank you! I'll have to tidy up a bit first!
That Kirby Fan was awesome so funny/cool
I watched this vid..got the adaptor and new hdmi lead..it worked and was very pleased with the picture...got a power lead with adaptor but dint need it n64 gave it power. .thanks to people like joe product get out there ..👍
Ahh that's really good news thanks for sharing!
Great review! Did you notice any kind of input lag using the adapter?
Thank you for a good review, is it possible you can make a video there it are combined with the mclassic?
I brought it I was going to buy the Super eon N64 but too expensive so I went with this so far I like it.
Awesome mate been waiting for someone to do a video on this adaptor to see if the s video works on pal consoles cheers 👍
It works so well! I checked with Kaico, they tested it on 20 different pal consoles and all of them worked for the s video signal so that bodes well
It looks like this adaptor compares to the Eon Super 64 but is only half the price. My GameCube is one of the later models without a digital out so I could use this with it too. These still wont give you the visuals of a hdmi modded 64 but this is perfect for a plug and play solution.
That's pretty much it right there. Nice to have an adapter you can use with different consoles
I have bought it! What a wonderful cable this is. I was wondering how to play in modern tvs, I think is better to put 4:3 aspect than 16:9 no? Even this cable brings stable graphics.
Thanks!
Absolutely agree with using 4:3, glad you like it!
Cool tee shirt Joe! You look great in it. How are you getting on replacing that internal battery in your pink PS2?
Thanks! I'd forgotten about that battery thanks for the reminder!
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Hey, is this essentially a more expensive AV/RCA to HDMI converter, which means i'll just be getting a bog standard composite picture quality in 288p? I have a PAL/UK version N64.
Good video! Can I play this with a Pal console, compatible with krikzz everdrive? and also applies to NTSC games in the Everdrive. Thanks!
I'm thinking about getting this because I saw that it's on Amazon
That's good because if you have any compatibility issues with your TV you'll be able to return it
Nice review 👍 does this work with an rgb modded pal 64 or should I get on the rad 2x waiting list?
I don't think so because it uses the s video signal
Nice review, looks like a decent option for a budget price 👍
Thank you!
When are you testing the OSSC? I've just bought this cable for my N64 so I'm interested in how it'll perform. The composite signal on my HDTV is shockingly bad.
I had a go with my VHS player but didn't have any luck! I've yet to try it with any consoles. Maybe soon!
@@JoeBleeps I've had chance to try this cable now, initial impressions are good. Doesn't blow me away but a lot better than the original composite or RF signal to my HDTV. I've got it set to 4:3 ratio. There's also some fuzzyness top and bottom as you describe and the occasional screen flicker. I've got it set on S Video smoothing as that's the best picture.
Hi! Nice video!! One question, please. Does the adapter output 4:3 or 16:9?
It outputs the original signal so I set my TV to "original" and it displays in 4:3
@@JoeBleeps Ok, thanks for answering!
Just curious what size TV you were testing this on, and is it a 4K?
really am considering to buy this thing because looked for affordable one + i'm not comfortable with idea of modding my N64 as its first console I ever had + its still functional (only the power supply been replaced).
I do like not having to make physical changes to the console
Time for me to buy this hdmi adapter!
Still using it on my N64 😁
Just got one of these today
Hope it works well for you!
Thanks 👍😀
Amazon has a LiNKFOR scaler for sale which appears to be the exact same device, but cheaper.
Awesome video man shall I pick one up ?
If you need a hdmi solution for N64 it's worth a try!
I use the kaico Dreamcast , PS2 and Xbox cables and have been really impressed with though's cables, is this cable for the N64 better the the super 64 from eon? I'm also tempted by the dedicated GameCube cable by kaico as my GCHD has picture drop outs.
The dedicated GameCube adapter is fantastic, I recommend it for sure. The EON one was no good for me as, like a lot of these adapters, it's made for NTSC consoles and mine are all PAL
@@JoeBleeps I may look into the GameCube one then, really bugs me having the drop outs with the video signal, sounds like the kaico is better suited to the pal region
@@retrorich3679 that was the big selling point for me
Good stuff. If I'm correct, only N64 Pikachu Pal Edition doesn't support S-video and if you have french console (more precise you must have proper chip inside) you could do RGB mod. Ironically in Gamecube NTSC consoles don't support RGB, and PAL console support.
Thank you!
Are there any techie people in the chat that can help me with my issue with this adapter? The adapter shows the game on my TV when I connect it normally to the N64 via a HDMI cable. I also want to stream the gameplay on Twitch via a capture card and this is where the issue occurs.
I connect it up to my AVerMedia Live Gamer Extreme capture card and the N64 gameplay shows up on the RECentral software on my laptop but now, it doesn't show up on my TV, which I need to view in order to play my game (playing through the laptop screen has a little lag input delay).
What's causing the connection issue which prevents the gameplay from showing up on my TV, when the gameplay showed on-screen without the capture card attached?
I got this a few weeks ago & it ended up having a bent pin in the micro-USB port, but I used a small flathead to move it back into place. Then after updating the firmware, I found it reset the visuals all to 0 which resulted in a black screen. Had to figure out what settings to use by trial and error. Also, having to use the flathead multiple times because of the pin bending itself back, & going back & forth from PC to N64 to find the correct settings...
I think this product overall, is worth it. I got it for $40 off Amazon, and it definitely does look good on my 43" 4K Sony TV. I always seem to get back luck with products like this, (bent pin, black screen, etc.) so I am used to dealing with the hassles involved that normal people shouldn't have to deal with, although it was pretty bothersome at the time.
After all of that, tho, the image quality is really good. Far better than a standard AV or S-Video adapter would give it. My TV also does a pretty good job upscaling the 480p image the adapter outputs. It really does breathe life back into the old N64.
Sounds like a frustrating experience to start with! Glad you got it up and running and you're enjoying it.
@@JoeBleeps The ability to play original N64 hardware with improved visuals is worth it. It's one of those systems where you really need the actual hardware to truly appreciate most of the games in its library.
@@Crazy_Gamer_OG I agree, much nicer to use the original hardware
I bought the cable as well. I did notice that the screen occasionally turns grey/off. Do you experience the same?
I'll confess I haven't used it a huge amount but I haven't experienced that problem
It's been a nightmare trying four different types of N64 pal adapters, all didn't work. Hopefully this will work on my new tv. Thanks for the info.
🤞
@@JoeBleeps Hi, my hd tv's near ten years old,will this work on it? Thanks?
@@jimmypage9283 I can't say for sure. I'd hope so
Cannot seem to find this adaptor anywhere at the moment..
£60 seems way over priced for what it is..
Got a major question on one topic which I haven't seen anyone brought up yet, can I use this cable and play NTSC-games on my PAL-tv without having the screen flickering and bouncing?
As far as I know? I think I have a converter and a USA copy of mario kart somewhere, I'll try it if I ever come across them
@@JoeBleeps have you had a chance to try the NTSC game yet as I have the same question. Cheers
does this work with gamecube? im confused between this and the specific gamecube one they advertise? I have an n64 and gamecube
It works from the analogue out port I think, the picture won't be as good as with the specific GameCube one that uses the digital out port. Some GameCubes don't have the digital out, in which case this would be a nice solution
Just purchased this off Ali express for £39 and managed to scoop a used m-classic for £60 hoping both combined will give me a nicer image as I believe my Pikachu N64 revision can only output composite and not S video. “it's believed that the NUS-CPU-P-03 (Pikachu and Funtastic) and the NUS-CPU-R-01 (French release) are the only ones that don't support S-Video from the factory”
Fingers crossed for you!
Definitely need to see this on the SNES! If the picture looks better than this could be something I would get, although you say it’s not an upscaler it does say it does 2x lines? That is essentially upscaling? And it also says that it takes 240p and makes it 480p? Surely that’s upscaling no?
There's differences between upscaling and line doubling that I'll cover in the next video. It does make the image better but there's a limit, it can't create a 1080p signal. Anyway it's good to know there's demand for a SNES video too, I didn't want to cover all three in the one video as it would have become too cluttered. SNES coming next then!
@@JoeBleeps completely understand that it won’t go up to 1080p but I think the doubling with s video mode using this KAICO adapter with a snes could be well worth it!
I honestly don’t think using the ossc with all the extra ball ache is going to be that much more amazing? We will see after your video!!!!! Looking forward to seeing it. SNES!!!!!!!!! 🥳
@@sundancekidd4010 always great to see so much love for the SNES ❤️
@@sundancekidd4010 Just combine it with an Mclassic and you'll get 1080p or 1440p based the resolutions your TV can display.
@@WllKiedSnake who wants a Mclassic? 🤷🏻♂️ no1 🤣
So all you need for this is this item and a hdmi cable?
Kaico+mClassic looks nice 😋
That’s a good shout. Our PS2 adapter and mclassic is a great combo as well
@@kaicointernational8133 I have all on my list
for N64, PS2. Are the PS1 games working with this ps2 adapter on the ps2 ?. Some games i have like Hellnight are for the ps1.
@@blackpulsarproductionofficial Hi there. Not yet. We are working on a new ps2 version that supports ps1 as well. Its the because we use component signal for our ps2 output which is much better than using composite. A lot of PS2 HDMI adapters are composite (240p) which is why they are backwards compatible with ps1. Ours is a dedicated PS2 adapter which outputs the component signal (upto 576i) which is a lot better, but unfortunately not compatible with ps1 games. Our v2 adapter will support it but this is not out for another 3 months.
I have'em, and they do!!!
Just ordered , is it better than the rad2x going bye the gamecube component kaico cable which is fantastic i hope the n64 unmodded
Bye the way fantastic video keep it up.
Thank you! I haven't tried the rad2x
I am using my n64 via svideo on my 720p lcd screen. The picture is of course not so good but it remains compatible since my tv has svideo input.
With the such device as in this video, will I get a better pic than svideo?Or it is essentially made to make modern TVs compatible with the n64 but with a "alright" picture only??
It's an acceptable picture quality on a modern TV lacking the correct inputs. I'm guessing it will be similar to your s-video cable
@@JoeBleeps Thanks for your reply!No need to spend a dime on it then. Might as well save some money for a HDMI mode or some sort.
Got a link on where to buy
Can you use this in tandem with the mClassic? If so, what are the results? 😃
I don't know, haven't got an mClassic sorry
I have an N64 emulator on OG XBOX & PS3. I use the Kaico HDMI converter on the Xbox 🥊🥊🔥🙏
The Xbox one is great
Must have for 64 owners
How does it handle 480i video, such as Rogue Squadron with the expansion pack?
The high res mode on Roque squadron looks excellent! I use this device together with the M-Classic and Roque Squadron high res mode looks OUTSTANDING!! Im playing it in the Hih res mode even tho i didnt thought i would... Thats because the frame rate isnt as bad as other High res games on the console, and people make it out to be) Speaking of bad frame rates... Turok 2 looks almost like a xbox 360 game with this setup. Apart from the frame rate. But really smooth visuals res-wise
@@commonsensei8719 thanks. i found out afterwards that the kaico only works properly with ntsc signals. if you have a pal console it doesn't work.
@@deanodley Lets hope they will update the firmware for it to work better with PAL
It sounds like it delivers a similar picture to the Hyperkin "Nintendo 3 in 1 HD" adapter. Granted, the Hyperkin cable, off sets the reds, to a more pink... But, I'm guessing aside that... Picture performance is very similar. But... Wanting to know the answer, in case the Kaico adapter delivers a much better picture than the Hyperkin... Would you possibly do a comparison, for us?
The transmission on this cable is s video or compost?
S-video and composite, you can choose
Both, watch the video....
I have the issue that after a few Minutes the picture starts to flicker when I go for Svideo smoothed.
Firmeware Update is done for Germany, but still same issue. Any idea how to solve that?
Greetings from a huge retro nerd
That's frustrating for sure, and something I've not experienced. Try getting in touch with Kaico if you haven't already
I have the same problem even after updating the firmware
@@commonsensei8719 it is because our PAL consoles are built very cheap. You need to get a NTSC Version and then you gonna be able to use the value of this really good working adapter then finally ^_^
@@GamerDan89 YES!!!! YOU ARE RIGHT. I ve thought of this too and you are right! I know this is a dumb question but do i need to replace my game game collection with NTSC versions too? Im afraid so.. I was thinking of getting the NTSC versions of Waverace and MarioKart 64, since they run so much faster on NTSC anyway, and use a converter for my PAL console. But replacing the entire collection (and console) is a bit painful but yeah that is probably my next goal. Hopefully they fix the PAL flickering (S-Video - smoothing on) in another firmware update of the #KaicoN64LineDoubler
@@commonsensei8719 today on Gamescom, I was talking to tech guy who told me it was because of the lack of having powerfil compacitors.
On NTSC I couldn't play pal games cause they have a bit higher resolution but like you mentioned, also slower fps.
On Pal I could play ntsc (with the hardwaremod included), but they gave me troubles with my Mclassic.
So what I chose is Everdrive x7. There you can easily set up your ntsc roms while you are still collecting even Pal region based games ;)
The X7 switches automatically between pal and ntsc so you don't have to do anything but setting the rom files on it.
Also you save the longlife ability of your collection cause you don't need to insert and eject them all the time while changing between games!
the "flickering" in the title screen is actually normal. It's always been there.
Thanks that's great to know!
hahaha really?
You can really confuse people when you say "PAL" smoothing, PAL is a video format and not a video signal why not say "composite" vs s-video...
do these transmit auido though
Yes they do
how does it compare to the EON64?
Haven't been able to test the EON64 but for me it was no good as my N64 consoles are PAL, so the Kaico was perfect for me
@@JoeBleeps the Kaico supports the Japanese console as well right?
Instead of £500+ for a Retrotink Pro you can't go wrong with a known brand, thanks, looks really nice. P.S all these so called smart tvs don't seem very smart! 😂
This does not work for me. I tried all modes and different USB cables. I then tried to update the firmware and sadly this application can only be ran as a EXE file which is not MAC IOS compatible. This is not a "plug and play" as stated. I have a N64 with a ROKU TV. Will not work and firmware is accessible by windows only.
That's really frustrating. I know a friend of mine borrowed this one and couldn't get it to work but it works for me, I can only assume it's down to the specific TV and it is hard to tell which will be compatible
I just brought 1 today I’m hoping and praying it works for me I brought a £15 hdmi converter before I brought your one and it was a pile of shit it made my tv flicker up and down and it picked and choose what game it flickered on it was weirded my n64 is pal too I don’t why it does that but anyway I hope this converter helps me...
This one has been fine for me with all the games I tried. I hope it works out for you!
How did it work for you JaY T? I had flickering issues with a cheap converter too!
@@Girlfriendprankster yeah all sorted mate NO FLICKERING on my 65inch tv what so Eva I love my n64 and I wanted a better picture so brought your 1 worked first time thoses cheap shitty 1s work fine on ps1 ps2 mega drive ect but it didn’t like my n64 but yeah so glad I came across your vid thanks 👍👍 oh yeah they do one for the ps2 aswell...
Sorry to hear bro
Gonna be cheaper than the Analogue3D! 🤣
Very much so
So…..would it be worth waiting for the Analogue?! 🤣 OR is this adapter good enough?
@@andydavidson1278 for me, it's fine. The games are playable and look decent. These games were designed for CRT displays so really the graphics will never look perfect on a modern TV. Also there's the option of playing N64 games on my switch online, so for me the Analogue consoles don't really appeal.
For some reason there's often issues with loading your videos. I have had a few occasion where I've had to reload the page multiple times before the video actually started.
The same issue is extremely rare with other videos, but it has happened multiple times with you. I swear TH-cam treats different youtubers unequally and they throttle the content of some.
That's so frustrating. I do everything I can to make sure I upload the videos correctly. Hopefully as the channel grows it gets better? Slow and steady is better than no growth 😊
@@JoeBleeps I have no idea what's up with TH-cam! Hopefully others don't have a similar experience.
For half the price of the eon 64 you get the same picture quality!
Good to know!
$79.99 for this ain’t worth it in my opinion. I think the Eon Super 64 is superior however it’s $150
A line double is an upscale, by a factor of 2. Also the fact that the manual refers to the OSSC as an upscaler is funny as this also multiplies lines 2x 3x 4x and 5x. So really speaking their both upscalers
Always good to get clarification. Thank you.