Hemi Power from Stroked 360 ? - MOPAR Dyno Blast!
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Nick's client was told this engine was a stroker when he bought it, but it turned out to be stock displacement. Nick built it right, and now it is time to find out what it makes on the dyno. PLUS three different carbs get a go on this classic mopar.
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My Wife and I had a blast hanging out at Nicks Garage, not only meeting Nick and George, but watching them work together; what a team! I really enjoyed looking around the shop, but especially spending time in the Dino Room while Nick fired up the 360 Stroker for the First couple of pulls! But the thing we enjoyed the most was spending time with Nick and George, and even though we just met it was really more like being with old friends! Guys, thanks again for the warm welcome; Nicks Garage was the best part of our trip to Montreal! Take care, and God Bless!!! Rod and Irma
Thanks again for the visit. It was our pleasure to meet you.
A- body or E- body Cuda? I am guessing "E" but when i bought my 69 a low mile 360 mag was in it. If the stars align i may get a buildable 73
Hi, Rod, I'm in east Tn. as well!! Unexpected surprise to see some Tennessee folks on the video!!
Nice purse and engine.
I built one years ago, 360 with J heads and mopars 509 purple shaft, lifter valley pan & and crank Windsor tray, 850 cfm , 727 torque flight . 3000 stall , 3:90sss gears and from stop light to stop light it was a quick engine but from a 45mhp start it was a monster. Loved that engine. Was basically maintenance free for years just oil changes.
These small block Mopar's are underrated for what they can do in terms of power delivery. Good work Nick!
They’re rated exactly where they belong.
They are pretty tuff I know a stock bottomend 318 with a M1 Mopar intake a good little cam stock heads with a nice clean up in the ports headers 750 VS it runs low 12s in a dart
They are legendary man !
I’ve heard for years the 360’s can make 400+HP, the 408 stroker performed great. This motor would fun on the street, spunky! Nice build Nick 😃👍
you heard wrong . junior
The torque was outstanding. 500 all around 4000rpm. Great tire Killin street engine
With a cam and the right heads you can get 400hp from a 318 so i don't know where you guys have been hiding there's been a good bit of improvement in good quality cylinder heads the last couple of years.
I built a 360 way back in 2000 with Edelbrock heads and a hot street/street cam and it made 449 horsepower and 453 pound-feet. I built a similar one shortly after with a roller cam, which made 474 horsepower. That's pretty typical of pushrod V-8s of similar displacement from the era, regardless of brand. The newer engines (LS, Coyote, Gen III Hemi) make so much more power for their given displacement because their cylinder heads are so much better and they rev higher. (Horsepower is function of torque and RPM.)
That sounded sweet just as it looked Nick and those numbers were pretty damn good too so the client should be happy as Nick.
I built mine with a 340 block, .030" over and 4" SCAT crankshaft (416 cubic inches), back in 2001. Using Edelbrock heads with upgraded dual valvesprings and a Ultradyne .590" lift flat tappet solid lifter cam, it made 525HP on pump gas. Very streetable, with 1-3/4" Hooker headers and a M1 intake using a 750 AED Holley. The 4" crank really makes big-block torque at a reasonable RPM from a SB MoPar!! Mine was basically done making power at 6200rpm although it would rev to 7200(+?).
Sounds like a fine build.
Nice! 🚙💨 🇨🇦 🇺🇸 🇬🇷 🇦🇺
that sounds like my friend 360 to 408 but he use Vic JR with Quickfuel 850DP it run low 11s high 10s in a valiant charger in New Zealand
@@NZMOPARyeh a mate here in west aussie had one it was impressive, eventually he put a blower on it, he spend so much money on it he had to live in a caravan he was a drag racer.
Mannnnn...Nick has that Stroker is bringing the mail on the dyno ...Very good numbers and man the toque ...Super great for a street cruiser . Love watching Nick work them on the dyno !!!! Take It Easy Everyone ...
Boy, that stroker has some balls! 😮 The torque is what you need in a street engine. Color me impressed!
Built one a couple years ago, trickflow heads cutome cam, dual plane, 500 up and 565 torque , surprised the hell out of me!!
These are the numbers I'm looking for in my build eagle stroker kit 30 over 11.5 pistons speedmaster aluminum heads 565 lift roller cam
I’ve been putting Victor JR intakes on strokers, the extra torque of the stroker and piston speed make the single plane really good with cams over 230@.050. 850XP carb. Also use TF 190 heads.
my friend runs a VIc JR and 850DP quickfuel on his 408 in a valiant charger its must be over 500hp it runs low 11s high 10s and it runs good on the street to
Ever time I convince myself that a vac secondary is best, I watch a Nick video like this that gets me shopping for double pumpers.
Certain times a vacuum secondary is nice. 9-1 383 mild cam 2.72gear in a b body. Now an A body 240 & 50 cam 383 390gears 3200 stall double pump me
Depends on what you're using the engine for - for the most part a vac' secondary will be the best option, but there will be times the DP is going to rule.
What's more important is the carb' sizing and setting up. NOTE, Nick actually pointed out it was running "very rich" on the vac' carbie, and wasn't going to correct it, so by no means a fair test.
Vac secondary is goed for fuel economy in the highway, low load in only uses 2 butterflies
@@hoedemakerbart
It's not so much that, as most DP carbies will still use a progressive action to open the secondaries - IIRC, that's more for the 4500 series?
It's more down to having half the acc'r pumps and doing a much better job of avoiding the opening of the secondaries and so ensuring a strong booster signal - depression - at the primary fuel discharges.
Steady speed, they may be very close, but how often does that happen in 'normal' driving?
@@gordowg1wg145 you can adjust the carb on when you want the secondary to open. Actually it works very well when driving on the highway with your foot backing down using 25% throttle to maintain speed it only uses 2
Very cool build! I had a 79 powerwagon with a 360. Rebuilt with a mild cam upgrade and I put an edelbrock performer intake and 4 barrel carb. Never had it dyno tested but even with the full time 4wd and big tires it moved that truck with ease and sounded amazing doing it 👍
George's video production quality just gets better and better. Outstanding!
Wow, thanks!
Hey Nick, great HP for a small block 360, stroked, Great JOB!!
The 1971 to 1974 360 cylinder blocks have thicker cylinder walls than the 1975 and newer 360 cylinder blocks. I had a 360 crankshaft turned down to fit a 340 block and a racing flywheel offset balanced to the crankshaft, using a 360 balancer on it.I almost used a longer stroke crankshaft, but back then, they were expensive US-made parts.
Dr. Nick that was a awesome dyno test, and the numbers where very good, I would go with the Thumper carb, cheers.
Right on!
Your dyno testings are always informative! Thanks Nick 👍👍
Nick, I’m from Louisiana, we are the same age. I had a 70 340 swinger in Highschool. Orange with black interior.
Okay, I loved the 340, but I’m blown away with this stroked 360, right at 500 ft lbs of torque.? Wow, if I’d had this in my old Swinger, I’d had the fastest car in the North side of town. I loved the sound it made too. Best thing of all, if is a street engine. Keep up the great work Nick.
Hello, i can smell the power of the Dyno-Room , greatings from Germany 😉
Right on! If only we could bottle that cologne.
Nick with the screw driver like a mystro with his baton making beautiful music in the dyno room
I have been waiting to see what numbers this 360 stroker will make on the dyno. I'm guessing that Nick will be able to get Hemi HP and torque out of this 408 small block. 420+ HP and 480+ Torque. This just makes my Monday so much better. Here we go!
Probably 60 pounds lighter than a hemi
@@gulfy09 It would be a good motor to put in a A-Body.
@@gulfy09: More like 300 pounds!
Wow!!!! Hemi power numbers from a SMALL BLOCK!!! Impressive, VERY IMPRESSIVE: should be an EXCELLENT street/strip engine for Jeff’s CUDA. Nick, the POWERMASTER!!!
I was hoping for the update on the leaking rear seal!
Editing that one as we speak. Thanks for watching, Mooseman.
Feels like winter here in Toronto. Send some heat this was from that stroker.
Always nice and warm in the dyno room!
My 408 stroker made 491 hp and 520 tq. Edelbrock heads, comp roller cam (236/242 @ .50) 10.5 to 1 compression.
C😎😎L... How many miles / hours do you have on this engine ??
Do you drive it hard ? Street or drag racing ?
Just wondering if a modified small block can take as much abuse as a big block with around the same HP.
im building a 408 for my 74 cuda.same cam but with the trick flows and RPM intake .how did yours run on the street?. I have a mild 360 with ported iron heads,750DP,727 reverse manual V-B and 4.30 gears.
@@doughelmle6575 runs fine on the street. The Trickflows outperform Edelbrocks so I understand so your 408 should make more power.
770 street avenger. That’s what I put on the 451 to replace my double pumper. So far so good. Gonna check the mpg after this tank but looks like 25% increase allready. Cheers
Nick is the best I've ever seen. And in 69 years I've seen quite a few great engine builders.
Great engine build! Lots of torque! Nicely done Nick! 👌
Next time, i wanna see an M1 single plane, and 850 thermoquad on there, lets keep it all mopar! Come on Nick, you know you want to build an all Mopar 360 set on kill dont you?
All your builds are awesome man, keep up the good work!
Exactly what I want to see on it too. Or a TQ on a Torker II and Eddy Victor.
This made my day.....l have some friend who race 360 Stroker engines .....Thanks Nick & George 👍👍
Old Flying Shoe🇺🇸
Thanks Shoe!
This turned out great. Now when are you going to show the world the W2 headed small block?
Good morning and greetings from Adelaide Australia. Tuned in from down under
Right on! Hi Steve.
Nice build Nick and thanks for sharing!
In the early 90s I had a customer with a 396” stroker 360. It would run mid 11s in his Fast Fish E body Cuda.
It was in my shop to troubleshoot an issue that turned out to be an amazingly stupid engine builder issue. A “name” Mopar specialist here in Atlanta had taken a die grinder to the bore of the Fluidamper so it would slip onto the crank snout 🤯. I talked to Fluidamper and they sent out a custom “go/no go” gauge to verify the dia of the snout which was dead on the Mopar spec. The owner bought a new Fluidamper which I installed with my Bluepoint installer and all was well.
"Mopar specialist here in Atlanta had taken a die grinder to the bore of the Fluidamper so it would slip onto the crank snout"? I was having a belt of Scotch as I read that. I had Scotch coming out of my nose after I read that. Man, does that ever burn! HOLY BRAIN CELLS BATMAN!
been waiting for this, here we GO!!!.
Thanks for being here!
Nice job Nick...adding the noise meter to measure the engine noise on the dyno is a good thing
I loved this video. I love to see the effort to tune it right.
Awesome show that is a awesome engine good job on the build Nick and crew keep them coming and see you Friday
Awesome Job Nick!!
I enjoy the push and pull of juggling pumpers and vacuum secondaries. I also love Q Jets. For street spead bore Holley and Qjet are my go to. For a trailer queen, give me the pumpers.
I figure I will get some haters on my choices, that is ok. My favorite of all is a well built propane engine and intake/fuel system.
From the son of a propane delivery man,
Mikel
My next move on my ram charger .. already have the aluminum heads, intake, carb, aftermarket ignition a lot of work has done already but the 408 bottom end is definitely in the cards ... Thanks Nick !!
Awesome job Nick 👏
Hemi power with out the weight that's impressive, for my self I'm not sure the cost of another carburetor would be wroth the 10 12 HP or TQ. don't think it would be noticed on the street thanks Nick
Hemi power without the weight is a Gen III Hemi. :)
AWESOME vid Nick.....MOPAR 4 EVER.
I've said it before and I'll say it again Nick second time around watching this video and I'll tell you what my friend you are the best.. end of discussion
Great video Nick😊
Jeff, great choice in engine and engine builder, I would absolutely run that combo even with the VC carb which would probably be a lot more streetable
I had a 1974 Dodge van with a two barrel 360, 727 Torqueflite and 323 sure grip. It was freakishly fast!
Beautiful job, Nick!
Cool. Love it. Thanks Nick. Best Regards
Awesome video great knowledge 👍
I had a 360 in my 75 power wagon, it rolled that truck pretty nice.
Sounds great nice job.😊
That is one healthy 360 , well done Nick's Garage !!!
Bad ass 360, another awsome monday! Thanks Nick 👍
You left the vacuum open with vacuum advance test.. leaned out??! Love the show and what you do.. Thanks Nick...👍🏼😎
I was thinking Monday was never going to get here. Great work as always Nick.
Would be interesting to see a couple of different intake manifolds on this combo. Like a Vic JR and an M1 Mopar and maybe a tunnel ram to see the difference between them say 2 450s on the ram the rest 850 DP
360, stroked out it's the poor man's Hemi. Well done Nick!
The street avenger was a hype sale from Holley.
“More power. More fuel economy!” Now we all know those two don’t go together! If the owner had just brought a regular Holley 750 or 800 it would have worked just fine. I had a 670 street avenger. It never worked good for me.
Love, love, love this channel! 🚗💨 🇨🇦 🇺🇸 🇬🇷 🇦🇺
I would love to see my twin turbo 318 in your dyno room...dreams
Giasou Nikola,
Hope you are well, that are some very impressive numbers.
Plenty of 408 here in Australia when you goto car shows.
360 Blocks are getting very hard to find now days where years ago they were everywhere.
Regret giving one away for peanuts 15 years ago, virgin bore & no lip in the bores.
The things we do.
Cheers
Louis Kats your number 1 Fan in Melbourne, Australia
👍 🙂 🇨🇦 🇬🇷 🇦🇺
That sounds so sweet!
It does!
Nice 360 stroker motor build, it put up good number with your carburetor
Fantastic camera angles George, you don't get enough credit 😎
Many thanks!
the best sounding motor I have ever heard on your dyno
Let me clarify the double feed carb gets more fuel to the rear bowl after that nothing. Everything at that point is in the metering block ,power valve , the jets and the Venturi design and flow. Not the tiny momentary squirt from any accelerator pump, that is to richen the initial crack of the throttle. (Slightly rich) is great when pulling up to speed , but not great while cruising. There are cfm formulas to figure exactly the size you need.
All the mopar fun
Thanks for all your great dyno videos . I wish that you would give cam specs type of cam and lifters used types of pistons and cylinder heads used . Like I said great videos. 👍
Nick, I say be sure to run that exhaust fan when dumping fuel from carbs and using solvents; that stuff if highly toxic and you do NOT want to breath it! Be careful! :)
Hi! Great video! 412 vs 422 is not much, so he could run with his original carb.
I think the 770 is alright carburetor for it just the fine-tuning maybe a spacer between the intake and the carburetor will help
Nick the magician! Working his magic!
mopar nick in the zone-having fun/he knows what he is doing/the distributor points and condenser or electrical/sweet nick/what the timing set at inital BTDC/thanks much
Sharp as a tac is our nick❤ love it....
this is going to be a hot show 👍🔧🛠💯👌🇨🇦
Good to see you, Danoh.
My 318/392 stroker dynoed at 495 HP and 481 TQ.
Can never have too much brake cleaner in the dino room... Here we go!
Chattanooga home of Sticky Finger's Barbeque. I'm close enough in north Georgia to go there often.
Definitely going to build my 5.9 block I have, was gunna ditch the 5.2 and 5.9 blocks for alike a hemi or a 440 for my 69 fury but factory small black car would be easier with a beefed up 5.9 for sure
real pretty sound
I would love to see a 318/5.2l 390 Stroker built the identical as this engine, I am curious to see the difference
The larger bores have better intake and exhaust flow. 360 blocks are relatively cheap in the US. Also 340 blocks are even better, but they are not cheap. I have a 1989 360 block, so it is set up for a roller cam, but still has oil flow to the heads.
you can tell Nick enjoyed this test
You guys are the best
I seen a guy that run LS valve train on a 318
Always loved small blocks making big block numbers, thats the way ive always went with my cars, why have all that nose weight if you dont have to right?
However, i would like to see a 400 low deck with hemi crank and rods, special keith black pistons and 65 cc aluminum heads done at your shop Nick, i think you might be surpised at the horsepower this combination can make. There was an old hot rod or mopar muscle article written on this build and they got 900 naturaly aspirated horsepower from that combo, needless to say i was quite impreseed!
Great job with the LA 360 though, its making tons of power for a little light weight A body car, should be lots of fun if he can keep rear tires on it!😂😂😂😂😈
That would be a awesome engine for my w200
Nice build Nick. Camshaft specs???
Would love to see a stock e58 or EH1 360 run!
Thank you sooo much Mr Nick. I've come to realize that the English language is one of the worlds' most difficult language to master. Thank you for trying sir. So I'm sure it can be difficult for you and that if I spoke French to you, (if I could), It would be bad at best. So out of love and respect for your/our passion for engine tech and learning, I apologize for being a bit harsh previously. cheers🇨🇦🏁👏 👏P.S. In my opinion, I'd go with the 770, only because it's the cheapest option and there's very little performance differential. The only other consideration would be economy.
Excellent
Gives me hopeful fantasy ideas since I also have 360....
evenin George an Mr Nick! Have a Great week!!
Putting together a 360 with same intake. I have a 600 Holley. Will shop for a 750.
I have .477in cam to install and stock heads.
There is a reason why they choose the La small block for the starting point for the design of the mighty Viper V10!
Nice show 😊
Thanks for the visit.
Would be cool to drop into a four wheel drive regular cab V8 Dakota themed similar to the GMC Syclone.
Actual question. Would a Grand Cherokee AWD unit work with such a combination in a Dakota? I was thinking about Stay Tuned's Sike Clone where they used a 4wd S10 and a AWD unit from an Astro van.
@@kart70 They made full time AWD Dakota's.
I miss when you used to hit the switch to start the test you always, in the past, pointed at the engine.
Irma's a cutie! Nice purse, Ron.
I am not sure what motor I will be bringing to you. but I have to wait for my paper work to come back, I only know I want you to dyno test it.