Nick is a Canadian national treasure. Watching a guy who is as knowledgeable and with such high integrity is amazing. To watch him love his job so much is fascinating. Bravo sir.
So the real answer to Nick's question: Where's the beef err..... oil, Where's the oil? Engine had to be runnin' to get pressure, as the feed holes align whilst it's turning (camshaft), yes? So the question might be to drill another hole? A smaller hole, smaller contributer.
This engine really sounded nice ! Especially after all of the air was finally purged from the lubrication system.. 591 hp and 680 ft.lbs. of torque... Awesome!!! Hopefully they have a good supplier for the rear tires on the vehicle it's going into!!! Merry Christmas to everybody out there !!! * Reviewed this on:10/30/24 (All the right procedures were done here!) A Great learning experience !!! 👍
My first three cars were a 1970 340 magnum Dart Swinger, 1970 383 magnum T/A Challenger and traded the Challenger straight across for a 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner w/440 magnum. I wish there were videos like this back in late 70’s and early 80’s, was in high school and this would have helped. Best video I have ever seen on the top end workings of the 440. 👍🤙
This situation is terrifying..im in the midst of a mopar 451 stroker build my motor is still being machined..thank you Nick for bringing this to my attention..that had Flat Cam written all over it.!!! glad you saved this awesome 541...
Just finished up my 9 to 1 pump gas cast iron (Dove) headed 521 BBF and it made 705hp at 6300 rpm and 671 ftlbs at 4800 rpm using a victor 460 and 1250 carb. Love your videos and presentation, thanks.
I assume the heads in this case are TF240 heads. They are very small for a 541, the port window is about similar to a SB chevy. It will not make power at high rpm. Have no idea of the cam or CR used, but this seems to be the trend with bigger cube mopars using the factory port window. Max Wedge size helps a little bit, but still will need cam to make peak power at 6300. To compare, my old pump gas 528 made 781 hp at 6600 and 704 ft-lb at 5400 in 1999, MW port heads flowing 350 cfm with the lift used.
I'm sure your right it will make a very nice "torque" engine to drive around with, the long runner intake and 4150 type of carb and more than likely Hyd. roller cam, put that in front of a good 6 speed and have fun. @@vipottaja
@@nickpanaritis4122 That should make a great combo. Low end torque will be plenty even with the single plane intake. I have a 521 Ford with a Victor, 238 degree hydraulic roller and SCJ alum, heads and don't need to rev it, max power at 5400 and will blow the tires off by getting on it at two grand in third. I'm sure an extra hundred HP is just a cam and compression change away but being able to use 91 octane and idle in traffic is kind of nice on a 625hp engine. Somehow Mopars (and Buicks) seem to work well with port sizes that seem too small to some of us.
The stock rocker shafts have oiling holes and need to be installed a certain way.. I thought that was going to be the oiling problem.. Not sure on an aftermarket rocker shaft..
@@moby271 By smooth, I mean it returned to idle and didn’t appear to vibrate. I didn’t notice it loping much, but perhaps I missed it. But yeah, to make that kind of power, it had to have a big cam.
My plant where I work, can be loud Anywhere from 90 to 160 plus decibels. Ear protection needed every day & everywhere. It's good to see the dyno fixed, and I'm sure nick is relieved.
I hope you wear double protection if it is over 100 dB for an extended length of time. At 160dB, I don't think it is even possible to protect your hearing. There isn't anything that will attenuate it enough.
I have 611hp & 655 lbs trq in my 1966 Bel Air Wagon. Regardless of brand , it's a ton of fun in a 4100 pound car. Currently building a blown, injected 1st Gen 392 Hemi that should be above those numbers in a 31 Model A Victoria, Merry Christmas Nick and the gang.
" With an ungodly amount of torque" , George, something about your sense of humor hits me right.😂😂😂😂😂😳 Best wishes to the whole crew at Nicks. Looking forward to a great New Year with your videos.
Working with AFTERMARKET high performance parts can be a real problem . Alot of Nick's time here trying to find the lack of oil issue as if something was blocked is stressful, and can be frustrating . Finding out the oiling holes are extremely tiny for racing applications as compared to stock heads wouldn't be known unless Nick built this engine and would have noted the tiny oiling holes . Note that racing items are not usually intended for a daily cruiser street vehical . Final thought here , is the minimal oiling to valve train for high RPM applications preventing too much oil being pumped to the top end and running the pan low also can give poor lubrication to the rocker arms and valve train. Scott in soca
Those rockers don't need a ton of oil. It'll be fine. Part of the factory scheme to pump that much oil up there was also to flood and cool the valve springs. With the spring technology we have today, they don't need as much oil to cool them. Also, with the higher spring pressures used for a more radical cam, they aren't going to last 100,000 miles anyway, and will need replacement much earlier, also foregoing the need for so much oil up top. I'd personally rather have more oil volume and pressure down in the bottom-end, where it's needed much more than up top. A much more powerful engine than stock IS going to need to be torn down and refreshed MUCH more often than a factory engine. It doesn't need all that oil going up top to try and preserve spring life AND to try and lube the bearing-less factory rocker system. Redesigned aftermarket parts are not always just for racing purposes, and they're NOT always a bad thing for the street either... as technology progresses and things change, so must some of the ideas behind those old engine parts.
@davelowets , What You say carries Merit... Personally I like the workhorse to last a long time, Under fairly harsh conditions, like the heat of the desert in the summer, where I live... Winning races is fun, but getting to the finish line is important where I live...Thats why I like all cast iron engines so much...They handle the heat of the summers here (Southern, Az.) very well... And Nicely tuned engines are always a pleasant song to hear, while they move us along to complete our daily tasks... But This engine sounded so nice!!! Like a P-51 with a Merlin passing overhead... Today is: 10/30/24
So for any Mopar guy out there, 1 the large hole on the oil bolt goes down, as that is the hole that lets in the oil. 99% of the time the shaft is up side down when you pull the cap and see a hole that big like here. Second, you never prime a Mopar without turning the cam, obviously you can miss align these. On stock rockers chances are you would have pull the covers and seen the hole holes in your face. Nick is priming the engine in place, looking at the larger shaft hole under the cap and "looking" for the problem. You actually turn the engine over by hand, not the starter and prime a Mopar. Are cams being made wrong? Yup my first gen hemi has been a nightmare. Isky has done the cams since the 50s, they screwed up the oil holes. Stanke has made new shafts for the rockers since 1976 and says I am the first guy to complain or notice that the oil shaft feed holes are 1/2" out of alignment. So again this has to do with being a Mopar guy as this is what we deal with. I am also a younger 53 year old, but I do a range of Mopar. BTW turning over the engine by hand is rough as the cam spins over half speed to the crank fyi. New shafts are machined tight to the bolt size on one side and a big gaping hole on the other. For obvious reasons.
Left bank oiling occurs at 225 degrees cam rotation, with oil traveling through the cam in the opposite direction from right bank oiling. That translates to 450 degrees crank rotation, which is 90 degrees After TDC of the exhaust stroke, not zero. Hope this helps. Love the channel.
I was thinking the same thing, obviously on first attempt to prime the motor cam was not in the correct position to get oil to the heads. Guessing those are TF 240 heads based on Dyno numbers.👍
I was surprised at such a rookie mistake in the video. TDC is not the location of the cam/block oil hole alignment. You sir have the only correct answer . Also by bumping it around with the starter to "find the spot" it could be easily missed.
Must respect the big Mopars and the vast power of the big blocks. Good to see you here BillD. Hope all is well for you, "South of the Border" (MA./CT. line)
The reason you had no oil at the rockers was because you were going by the mark on damper. If it has after market cam which im sure it does, the cam maker will drill the holes wherever
Hello Nicholas, Master builder and troubleshooter. Glad my engine build is in your hands. Merry Christmas to you and crew. Like so. Thunder Road, Kocan
Agreed here, I don't know why they thought those few trickles is ok. I've had valve covers off engines while running and it threw the stuff everywhere.
If i had a 600 hp Mopar i would be going on bread and milk runs every day maybe 2 Good vid thanks for sharing wish you were closer to my local Blessings Dyno on
Merry Christmas Nick. That's clearly a problem & the engine would not have lived long. You have such wisdom & itcrealky shows in how you work & think. On top of being an awesome tecnical automotive Guru, you one heck of a nice person. Anyone you call your friend is indeed lucky. Let's all have a great Christmas & a wonderful 2024.
@@michaelmartinez1345 STPPwr CHp (left screen) and STPTrq Clb-ft (right screen) under engine rpm, are corrected crankshaft horsepower and torque. STP (SUPERFLOW acronym) = Standard Temperature and Pressure C = Crankshaft.
The correction factor is used so that no matter where you go, the elevation, the weather that day, all play into how much power the engine will make, and the correction factor takes into consideration those variables and corrects the final h.p. numbers so that it appears that the engine was tested at sea level with a set temperature and set barometer. It's done like that to take away the influences of the elevation and weather variables, and give you a power number that would repeat wherever you go, on any day, on any dyno. The numbers should be the same no matter what. The only bad thing about a correction factor is that the correction numbers CAN be fudged by an unscrupulous dyno operator to make it appear that the engine makes MORE power than it really does. So, sometimes you can't really believe every dyno number you see, without seeing the correction factors entered along with the pull also. IF someone won't show you the entire dyno sheet showing the correction factor numbers, then don't believe the H.P. and T.Q numbers that they DO show you
I wanted to look into the oiling on the Trick Flow head after watching the video and commenting on the diagnosis being done . Well the TF heads have a TINY oil transfer hole in these heads to lubricate the rockers . The 2 oil holes look to be about an 1/8" in size at best . They are definitely more restricted than stock iron heads which have a decidedly larger oiling holes . I'd attribute this to wanting less oil to the valve train in these very hi performance application . I'd say to compare the oiling holes just to note the significant size differences. Merry Christmas Nick crew and patrons
@scottrance-im7xz , I think that You hit the nail squarely on the head, about the aftermarket valvetrain needing a lower amount of oil flow, because of the rockers pivoting on the needle bearings... Low restriction to oil flow , would result at those pivots, for all 16 of those rocker arms... And without a restriction on the 'veins' , once the oil temp increases, the oil pressure in the top end lube passages would drop to very low levels, possibly reducing the oil pressure in the rest of that engine...
I feel the 440 source china made rocker shaft assembly is the issue. my last big block Mopar i bought Comp assemblies, and there was a ton of oil up top.
@user-xt3ot1xu1b You don't WANT a "ton of oil up top"... Having THAT much oil flow up there robs your oil pressure and flow down in the bottom-end where you need it MORE. Having a ton of oil up top also does nothing but promote valve cover leaks. There is NO need for that much oil up there for the rockers. No, excess oil does NOT cool the valve springs that much better.
Well. 2970lbs quarter mile at 11:20 has a minimum of 440hp to the wheels. Purely theoretical. Trapp speed just indicates you hot gearing correct 126mph is more like 460-470 hp to the wheels. So x 1.15 for drivetrain loss .. I’d say the engine dynoed at around 520 hp.. That would be My guesstimate
@@benjaminanonsen1546 The gearing was 4:88 at the time. That got us thru the lights around 55-5600 in 4th. It liked 6500 on the shifts. So we were leaving et on the table don’t you think?
Well… My guess would be 4mph more trap speed is statistically possible and about 12-13’th of a second still in there. Drop airpressure a couple of psi maybe. All tires. Gets you a bit more rpm across the Line . But again. Just guesswork
I was over at John Scotti last week. Of course he has boatloads of restored HEMI cars, but as my father would say, his reputation proceeds him. Like most (99%?) of dealers, he's a flipper, with 2 very unhappy local customers. A Trans Am and Olds Rallye 350... As your showing now... buyer beware... I'll buy my HEMI directly from the owner, no auction mysterys
MERRY CHRISTMAS NICK ,GEORGE, MELISSA, MANNY, AND KREW !!!!! ALWAYS LOVE WATCHIMG YALL !!! NICK DONE SAVED THAT MAN ALOT OF MONEY !!!! GREAT JOB NICK !!!!!!!
On my last big block Chrysler engine I got hollow pushrods which when used with hydraulic roller lifters do oil through the pushrods. Which on a big block Chrysler I've noticed the problems are usually at the Cup end of the pushrod. Just adds a little more protection for that area
What a sweet engine! Nick, as always, you found the sweet spot. With all that torque, the owner could probably take it to the dragstrip, hook up a trailer to it and still beat the other guy!😊
Dana "60" Glass. Amazing test with the 541 wedge. All that power and torque running at 32° timing. Really glad your dyno is back to normal. Looking forward to more blasts in 2024! Happy New Year to everyone at Indy Auto!
I love seeing this literally watching a little piece of my dream in the making. I have a 1967 dart that is currently ready to be put together. And I have a motorhome 440 as a donor to be a nice little stroker.
I have done many engines , nothing like the numbers of nicks ,but glad to learn something somewhat often, as I was told many years ago sit down shut up and listen
To be fair, they could also hear the dry rockers when they first ran the engine, and we frequently see Nick check for any odd sounds from the valvetrain.
Morning Nick & Crew just finished watching while having breakfast which went down a real treat with a 541 putting out numbers like that, WOW! Dyno went well also Nick. Merry Christmas all and thanks for yet another top video George.
I REALLY like those QFT carbs. 👍 I run the big brother (QFX 4500) to that carb on my Olds, and i love it! The calibration is EASILY tuneable anywhere in the curve, and it just works WELL. Everyone says that "You CAN'T run a Dominator on the STREET! It'll NEVER work right! " But the QFX on my Olds is a PLEASURE to drive on the street, and has the CRISPEST throttle response of ANY car I've ever driven. It starts up easy with no choke, and will idle very quickly on it's own after firing it up cold. I can idle FOREVER in traffic without the engine loading up and fouling plugs. Other than having to pump the accelerator a few times when it's cold, it fires up instantly every time when the first cylinder rolls over compression. Once warmed up, it's like driving an E.F.I. car but with MUCH faster throttle response. There is NO dead spots anywhere in the entire throttle sweep, and is completely responsive no matter where the pedal is at in it's travel. Carbs have come a LONG way in the last few years.
Thank you Nick and George for the Christmas present I thought it was a Christmas present I enjoyed it very much thank you again you folks have a good Christmas and I hope everything goes good for all of you
My dream cars I have, 79 Lil Red and a 78 Aspen R/T to restore. I’m going to put a 340 with roller cam in Aspen since it’s a 4 speed and a 5.7L Hemi with late model automatic and fuel injection for the Lil Red.
Hey and Merry Christmas and happy New Year!!! I KNEW this thing was gonna rip: almost 700 LB-FT of torque??!!!! MMAANNN!!! Great job, guys!!! Love how Nick points out and explains details, like the oiling process on mopar engines: definitely stuff to keep in mind when I build mine!!! Great week to all you guys!!!
What would I do with a 600 HP BB Mopar? Drive the living daylights out of it! My 1st car was a '69 Charger R/T w/440/4 speed/Dana axle, ran a Dick Landy prepped 440 that dynoed in at 625 HP and this was 40+ years ago. That car would pass everything but a gas station and a tire store, and run an 11.40 1/4 mile time to boot. Thank you Nick for one badass dyno session on Christmas Day, and Merry Christmas to you & your family!
You are, as usual, correct Nick. The torque and horsepower peaks make it a perfect and intimidating, street engine. Congrats to both of you! Joyeux Noel et bonne annee from the Left Coast!
Pretty sweet. I just built a 505 stroked with all trick flow top end, super sniper efi, roller 600 lift 291 duration cam. It pulled 691 ft/tq and 655HP @5400rpm it's a beast in my Cuda.
I built a EFI system for a 440 board and stroked to 505. It tested at just under 700 HP, plus a 150 shot of progressive nitrous with a Dominator ECU. 10 years ago
The owner obviously had an idea of a possible issue to a problem with rockers. Unfortunately it appears the builder did not confirm lubrication to the heads . Luckily ... You know what needs to be checked and confirmed . Your on it Nick .
8:15 GOOD call.... YES, the shaft rockers on my Olds engine WILL shatter the shafts like glass if I would try to remove them when the rockers are open, and under pressure from the 800lb valve springs. The shafts on my engine are in 3 pieces on each head, and I have to rotate the engine so that every valve on each section of shaft is completely closed when I remove that section of rockers for winter storage, or when servicing the system.
I had to change out the lifters I start with due to the fact no oil was getting pumped to the top end, turns out it was all leaking by the wheel, after much cussing and discussing changed lifters and no more problems.
Reminds me of a friend and I went to prime a 440 and didn't have the oil pressure sensor in and it shot out glad I won't near it years ago great video Thanks
What would I do with 600 horse power? Use 200 for a burnout and put the other 400 in the bank 😂. Congrats on another great mopar and Merry Christmas to you and the whole crew!
I was thinking the same thing. With that size engine it would seem like it should be around 630 - 660hp. Nice combination but seems low on horsepower. Wonder what the compression ratio is. Torque was outstanding!!
Since they did not give the cam specs I would imagine it is a small hydraulic roller which explains the torque number higher than the horsepower. Trick flow 240s will make way over 600 horsepower on that engine with the correct camshaft. I believe he wants it to idle a little smoother and be in A Streetcar
i would drive it and launch it at the 1/4 mile track once in a while to get a best time to show on a time slip and place it with all of it's documentation. Pat working with Nick and the owner of the engine is a super combination.
Even though I didn’t get to see this until late, what a great show Nick ! You had me on my seat the whole time . That oil pressure issue was a scare but you worked through it like a surgeon. George great job as well . Happy Holidays to you as well! 👍
Hey Pat. Stop dry revving the expensive motor on Nick's Dyno. And get out of Nick's way my guy. He tryna save you here. I know your worried, anxious, and terrified. But Nick can listen to that motor and assess motor than 5 of you with a fully stocked garage complete with a diagnostic machine. Let him work. He got you.
Back in the day ....... Used to lash the valves running in my bone stock 289/271 horse (solid lifter) 65 Mustang. A little messy, but nothing that stopped me from doing that more than once. No big deal, enjoyable even.
Nobody seems to be focusing on the real issue, which is the man paid a so-called engine builder good money to assemble this engine and he didn't do what Nick did and check the oiling by sight not a pressure to gauge. And he didn't apply any oil or assembly lube to the valve tips, rocker tips, or push rod cups! So probably none on the lifter end of the push rods either. I don't remember ever seeing anywhere that metal to metal contact was the way to run an engine.
Most shops will get oil pressure before starting a engine. Assembly lube or not you can buy a priming tool from Milodon and get oil pressure before starting the engine. The good thing about pre priming is you pull the distributor out to do it. This allows you to pull the number one sparkplug and place a finger over the hole. You then hit the dynos start button until you feel compression so your 100 % positive your on the compression stroke. If you want 10 degrees before TDC you turn the crank until the damper is exactly 10 before TDC and install the distributor so it points exactly to the number 1 tower on the distributor. This allows the engine to fire without cranking on it excessively and you will never hear a backfire again.
I thought this was Halloween at first when it seemed no oil was making it to the rockers. I would still like to see more oil flow. Maybe the owner will send Nick some video of the engine in the car. Merry Christmas everyone!
Very nice results on the 540 Nick. I watched this when it came out. Never commented. I am revisiting the video again. And I thought I would comment. Great content as always.👍 Thanks for sharing.
Engine owner is lucky to have such a knowledgeable master at his disposal. Thank God for honest mechanics. Awesome fails to describe this guy.
I love Nick's personality. So calm, so patient, no temper. Great teacher.
The man really loves what he does.
@@Kunfucious577😊😊😊😊
Sure does have a ton of Movement on those Motor Mounts.
Another stroked RB making small block power!
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Its no wonder the channel has grown so huge. Nick is a true gentleman with his clients and viewers. Always a pleasure to watch.
Nick is a Canadian national treasure. Watching a guy who is as knowledgeable and with such high integrity is amazing. To watch him love his job so much is fascinating. Bravo sir.
Wow, thank you!
Pat did a great job on the engine, the owner is going to buy a lot of rear tires, nice job fixing the dyno too, that was a real test for it.
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So the real answer to Nick's question: Where's the beef err..... oil, Where's the oil? Engine had to be runnin' to get pressure, as the feed holes align whilst it's turning (camshaft), yes?
So the question might be to drill another hole? A smaller hole, smaller contributer.
This engine really sounded nice ! Especially after all of the air was finally purged from the lubrication system.. 591 hp and 680 ft.lbs. of torque... Awesome!!! Hopefully they have a good supplier for the rear tires on the vehicle it's going into!!! Merry Christmas to everybody out there !!! * Reviewed this on:10/30/24 (All the right procedures were done here!) A Great learning experience !!! 👍
Indeed! Merry Christmas.
Yep 😊
Nichels Garage NHRA engines
Hot Rodding Small Block Mopars
Nick truly is a master of his craft
You guys never fail to deliver, what a street/strip motor that is,MOPAR or no car❤
My first three cars were a 1970 340 magnum Dart Swinger, 1970 383 magnum T/A Challenger and traded the Challenger straight across for a 1971 Plymouth Roadrunner w/440 magnum. I wish there were videos like this back in late 70’s and early 80’s, was in high school and this would have helped. Best video I have ever seen on the top end workings of the 440. 👍🤙
Should have kept the T/A.
This situation is terrifying..im in the midst of a mopar 451 stroker build my motor is still being machined..thank you Nick for bringing this to my attention..that had Flat Cam written all over it.!!! glad you saved this awesome 541...
Thank you Nick for a Christmas present for us, a big Mopar singing on the dyno.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Merry Christmas.
Just finished up my 9 to 1 pump gas cast iron (Dove) headed 521 BBF and it made 705hp at 6300 rpm and 671 ftlbs at 4800 rpm using a victor 460 and 1250 carb. Love your videos and presentation, thanks.
I assume the heads in this case are TF240 heads. They are very small for a 541, the port window is about similar to a SB chevy. It will not make power at high rpm. Have no idea of the cam or CR used, but this seems to be the trend with bigger cube mopars using the factory port window. Max Wedge size helps a little bit, but still will need cam to make peak power at 6300. To compare, my old pump gas 528 made 781 hp at 6600 and 704 ft-lb at 5400 in 1999, MW port heads flowing 350 cfm with the lift used.
I'm sure your right it will make a very nice "torque" engine to drive around with, the long runner intake and 4150 type of carb and more than likely Hyd. roller cam, put that in front of a good 6 speed and have fun. @@vipottaja
@@vipottaja ....Yes, they are TF 240 heads.
Perfect choice for that type of built, put that in a Viper and blow some minds. @@nickpanaritis4122
@@nickpanaritis4122 That should make a great combo. Low end torque will be plenty even with the single plane intake. I have a 521 Ford with a Victor, 238 degree hydraulic roller and SCJ alum, heads and don't need to rev it, max power at 5400 and will blow the tires off by getting on it at two grand in third. I'm sure an extra hundred HP is just a cam and compression change away but being able to use 91 octane and idle in traffic is kind of nice on a 625hp engine. Somehow Mopars (and Buicks) seem to work well with port sizes that seem too small to some of us.
That is a really nice looking, smooth running engine. The owner is justly proud. I was really sweating those rockers though. 🙂
Smooth you say? Big cam, far from smooth.
The stock rocker shafts have oiling holes and need to be installed a certain way.. I thought that was going to be the oiling problem.. Not sure on an aftermarket rocker shaft..
This man is a genius on enginez
@@moby271 By smooth, I mean it returned to idle and didn’t appear to vibrate. I didn’t notice it loping much, but perhaps I missed it. But yeah, to make that kind of power, it had to have a big cam.
My plant where I work, can be loud
Anywhere from 90 to 160 plus decibels.
Ear protection needed every day & everywhere.
It's good to see the dyno fixed, and I'm sure nick is relieved.
I hope you wear double protection if it is over 100 dB for an extended length of time. At 160dB, I don't think it is even possible to protect your hearing. There isn't anything that will attenuate it enough.
I have 611hp & 655 lbs trq in my 1966 Bel Air Wagon. Regardless of brand , it's a ton of fun in a 4100 pound car. Currently building a blown, injected 1st Gen 392 Hemi that should be above those numbers in a 31 Model A Victoria, Merry Christmas Nick and the gang.
Merry Christmas.
" With an ungodly amount of torque" , George, something about your sense of humor hits me right.😂😂😂😂😂😳
Best wishes to the whole crew at Nicks. Looking forward to a great New Year with your videos.
Merry Christmas.
Working with AFTERMARKET high performance parts can be a real problem . Alot of Nick's time here trying to find the lack of oil issue as if something was blocked is stressful, and can be frustrating . Finding out the oiling holes are extremely tiny for racing applications as compared to stock heads wouldn't be known unless Nick built this engine and would have noted the tiny oiling holes . Note that racing items are not usually intended for a daily cruiser street vehical . Final thought here , is the minimal oiling to valve train for high RPM applications preventing too much oil being pumped to the top end and running the pan low also can give poor lubrication to the rocker arms and valve train.
Scott in soca
Those rockers don't need a ton of oil. It'll be fine.
Part of the factory scheme to pump that much oil up there was also to flood and cool the valve springs. With the spring technology we have today, they don't need as much oil to cool them. Also, with the higher spring pressures used for a more radical cam, they aren't going to last 100,000 miles anyway, and will need replacement much earlier, also foregoing the need for so much oil up top.
I'd personally rather have more oil volume and pressure down in the bottom-end, where it's needed much more than up top. A much more powerful engine than stock IS going to need to be torn down and refreshed MUCH more often than a factory engine. It doesn't need all that oil going up top to try and preserve spring life AND to try and lube the bearing-less factory rocker system.
Redesigned aftermarket parts are not always just for racing purposes, and they're NOT always a bad thing for the street either... as technology progresses and things change, so must some of the ideas behind those old engine parts.
That's why you pre-prime before startup
@davelowets , What You say carries Merit... Personally I like the workhorse to last a long time, Under fairly harsh conditions, like the heat of the desert in the summer, where I live... Winning races is fun, but getting to the finish line is important where I live...Thats why I like all cast iron engines so much...They handle the heat of the summers here (Southern, Az.) very well... And Nicely tuned engines are always a pleasant song to hear, while they move us along to complete our daily tasks... But This engine sounded so nice!!! Like a P-51 with a Merlin passing overhead... Today is: 10/30/24
So for any Mopar guy out there, 1 the large hole on the oil bolt goes down, as that is the hole that lets in the oil. 99% of the time the shaft is up side down when you pull the cap and see a hole that big like here. Second, you never prime a Mopar without turning the cam, obviously you can miss align these. On stock rockers chances are you would have pull the covers and seen the hole holes in your face. Nick is priming the engine in place, looking at the larger shaft hole under the cap and "looking" for the problem. You actually turn the engine over by hand, not the starter and prime a Mopar. Are cams being made wrong? Yup my first gen hemi has been a nightmare. Isky has done the cams since the 50s, they screwed up the oil holes. Stanke has made new shafts for the rockers since 1976 and says I am the first guy to complain or notice that the oil shaft feed holes are 1/2" out of alignment. So again this has to do with being a Mopar guy as this is what we deal with. I am also a younger 53 year old, but I do a range of Mopar. BTW turning over the engine by hand is rough as the cam spins over half speed to the crank fyi. New shafts are machined tight to the bolt size on one side and a big gaping hole on the other. For obvious reasons.
i watched every second of that dyno show, & Nick the true gentleman @ people visiting his shop, Some1 buy the man a beer👍👍👍
Good lesson in the importance of liberal assembly lube on all the moving bits
Left bank oiling occurs at 225 degrees cam rotation, with oil traveling through the cam in the opposite direction from right bank oiling. That translates to 450 degrees crank rotation, which is 90 degrees After TDC of the exhaust stroke, not zero. Hope this helps. Love the channel.
I was thinking the same thing, obviously on first attempt to prime the motor cam was not in the correct position to get oil to the heads. Guessing those are TF 240 heads based on Dyno numbers.👍
@@jamesfeil2468 ...They are 240 heads.
I was surprised at such a rookie mistake in the video. TDC is not the location of the cam/block oil hole alignment. You sir have the only correct answer . Also by bumping it around with the starter to "find the spot" it could be easily missed.
What an awesome motor that Pat built , going to be fun in the Charger . Congratulations, from Connecticut 😎👍
Must respect the big Mopars and the vast power of the big blocks. Good to see you here BillD. Hope all is well for you, "South of the Border" (MA./CT. line)
A man that knows his stuff, doing what he loves. Great to see.
The reason you had no oil at the rockers was because you were going by the mark on damper. If it has after market cam which im sure it does, the cam maker will drill the holes wherever
Hello Nicholas, Master builder and troubleshooter. Glad my engine build is in your hands. Merry Christmas to you and crew. Like so. Thunder Road, Kocan
All the best to you too Michael and family.
Merry Christmas.
Pull the rocker shafts and use compressed air to ck for obstruction in the shaft.
That doesn't look like sufficient oil to the rockers.
Same here I don't think there is enough oil
@@gulfy09notice how much oil pressure loss from beginning to end. 75-45
@@thomasroth4695 I don't know why Nick just didn't start the motor without valve covers off or spin oil pump while cranking it over
Agreed here, I don't know why they thought those few trickles is ok. I've had valve covers off engines while running and it threw the stuff everywhere.
That is not enough oil for a top end. It cools the springs too, that's going to kill it.
If i had a 600 hp Mopar i would be going on bread and milk runs every day maybe 2
Good vid thanks for sharing wish you were closer to my local
Blessings
Dyno on
This is a Master of Master Mechanic. This is a lost art.
Everything built today is throwaway
Merry Christmas Nick. That's clearly a problem & the engine would not have lived long. You have such wisdom & itcrealky shows in how you work & think. On top of being an awesome tecnical automotive Guru, you one heck of a nice person. Anyone you call your friend is indeed lucky.
Let's all have a great Christmas & a wonderful 2024.
Merry Christmas.
Awesome engine build! Better have big tires to handle all that torque! Merry Christmas to you all at Nick's Garage, and God bless to a happy new year!
Merry Christmas.
29.71 Baro, 77 degrees, 31% humidity, 1.034 STP correction. For the record, full transparency Nice!
What is STP correction?
@@michaelmartinez1345 STPPwr CHp (left screen) and STPTrq Clb-ft (right screen) under engine rpm, are corrected crankshaft horsepower and torque. STP (SUPERFLOW acronym) = Standard Temperature and Pressure C = Crankshaft.
The correction factor is used so that no matter where you go, the elevation, the weather that day, all play into how much power the engine will make, and the correction factor takes into consideration those variables and corrects the final h.p. numbers so that it appears that the engine was tested at sea level with a set temperature and set barometer.
It's done like that to take away the influences of the elevation and weather variables, and give you a power number that would repeat wherever you go, on any day, on any dyno. The numbers should be the same no matter what.
The only bad thing about a correction factor is that the correction numbers CAN be fudged by an unscrupulous dyno operator to make it appear that the engine makes MORE power than it really does. So, sometimes you can't really believe every dyno number you see, without seeing the correction factors entered along with the pull also. IF someone won't show you the entire dyno sheet showing the correction factor numbers, then don't believe the H.P. and T.Q numbers that they DO show you
I wanted to look into the oiling on the Trick Flow head after watching the video and commenting on the diagnosis being done . Well the TF heads have a TINY oil transfer hole in these heads to lubricate the rockers . The 2 oil holes look to be about an 1/8" in size at best . They are definitely more restricted than stock iron heads which have a decidedly larger oiling holes . I'd attribute this to wanting less oil to the valve train in these very hi performance application . I'd say to compare the oiling holes just to note the significant size differences.
Merry Christmas Nick crew and patrons
@scottrance-im7xz , I think that You hit the nail squarely on the head, about the aftermarket valvetrain needing a lower amount of oil flow, because of the rockers pivoting on the needle bearings... Low restriction to oil flow , would result at those pivots, for all 16 of those rocker arms... And without a restriction on the 'veins' , once the oil temp increases, the oil pressure in the top end lube passages would drop to very low levels, possibly reducing the oil pressure in the rest of that engine...
I feel the 440 source china made rocker shaft assembly is the issue. my last big block Mopar i bought Comp assemblies, and there was a ton of oil up top.
They might be restricted on porpoise.
If you run high rpms long enough, you can end up with 4 quarts in the valve covers, if there is too much flow
@user-xt3ot1xu1b You don't WANT a "ton of oil up top"...
Having THAT much oil flow up there robs your oil pressure and flow down in the bottom-end where you need it MORE. Having a ton of oil up top also does nothing but promote valve cover leaks. There is NO need for that much oil up there for the rockers. No, excess oil does NOT cool the valve springs that much better.
I had a 65 Coronet NSS, all steel and factory glass, 523 inch, ran consistent 10.60 Ets, In 2014.
Assuming 3100lbs car, that is like 570-580HP minimum. 😊
@@benjaminanonsen1546How much HP equates to 11:20 et 126 mph at 2970 lbs?
Well. 2970lbs quarter mile at 11:20 has a minimum of 440hp to the wheels. Purely theoretical. Trapp speed just indicates you hot gearing correct 126mph is more like 460-470 hp to the wheels. So x 1.15 for drivetrain loss .. I’d say the engine dynoed at around 520 hp..
That would be My guesstimate
@@benjaminanonsen1546
The gearing was 4:88 at the time. That got us thru the lights around 55-5600 in 4th. It liked 6500 on the shifts. So we were leaving et on the table don’t you think?
Well… My guess would be 4mph more trap speed is statistically possible and about 12-13’th of a second still in there. Drop airpressure a couple of psi maybe. All tires. Gets you a bit more rpm across the Line . But again. Just guesswork
love the high rise manifold it looks brilliant, along with the black carb and rocker arms............wicked !!
That engine looks exquisite and powerful 👌
I’m so glad the engine worked out had me worried about the oiling the rocker shafts issue. It runs great 👍🏻
Luv your knowledge of engines Nick, very educational to us viewers.
He's a pleasure to watch. I learn alot from him. He's a great teacher. Nothing phases him
Merry Christmas Nick, and George, I'm anxious to see what numbers this 540 BB Wedge will make on the Dyno. It should be a torque monster. Here We Go!!
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas
That oil SHOULD be flying all over the place!
When the oil is too low of flow, the outer parts can end up dry.
Better high oil flow than low!
I was over at John Scotti last week. Of course he has boatloads of restored HEMI cars, but as my father would say, his reputation proceeds him. Like most (99%?) of dealers, he's a flipper, with 2 very unhappy local customers. A Trans Am and Olds Rallye 350... As your showing now... buyer beware... I'll buy my HEMI directly from the owner, no auction mysterys
The rich, Flippers, and " dealers" have made the hobby too expensive for most of us
Precedes.
Nick's truly a engine master ,
Beautiful!. I would put it in a 68 Dodge LWB straight side p/u RIDE SAFE OUT THERE!
MERRY CHRISTMAS NICK ,GEORGE, MELISSA, MANNY, AND KREW !!!!! ALWAYS LOVE WATCHIMG YALL !!! NICK DONE SAVED THAT MAN ALOT OF MONEY !!!! GREAT JOB NICK !!!!!!!
Merry Christmas.
@@NicksGarage Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all !!! God Bless !!!
On my last big block Chrysler engine I got hollow pushrods which when used with hydraulic roller lifters do oil through the pushrods. Which on a big block Chrysler I've noticed the problems are usually at the Cup end of the pushrod. Just adds a little more protection for that area
What a sweet engine! Nick, as always, you found the sweet spot. With all that torque, the owner could probably take it to the dragstrip, hook up a trailer to it and still beat the other guy!😊
Dana "60" Glass. Amazing test with the 541 wedge. All that power and torque running at 32° timing. Really glad your dyno is back to normal. Looking forward to more blasts in 2024! Happy New Year to everyone at Indy Auto!
Thanks 👍 Happy new year.
That's the same oil I use in my big block 427 that's Brad Penn oil great stuff for hi performance engines
I love seeing this literally watching a little piece of my dream in the making. I have a 1967 dart that is currently ready to be put together. And I have a motorhome 440 as a donor to be a nice little stroker.
Great engine. Congrats to Pat on a job well done and Nick for squeezing all that hp and torque. Merry Christmas gents
Merry Christmas.
I have done many engines , nothing like the numbers of nicks ,but glad to learn something somewhat often, as I was told many years ago sit down shut up and listen
Nick, from now on I think it would be a good idea to check all engines for proper lubrication at the rockers before firing the engine.
To be fair, they could also hear the dry rockers when they first ran the engine, and we frequently see Nick check for any odd sounds from the valvetrain.
Rocker shafts with threaded end plugs are nice, I just thread my pressure gauge in and prime and turn slowly
Merry Christmas from your Canadian Jewish fan living in USA
Shalom!
Morning Nick & Crew just finished watching while having breakfast which went down a real treat with a 541 putting out numbers like that, WOW! Dyno went well also Nick. Merry Christmas all and thanks for yet another top video George.
Nick, thank you so much for these videos. Its wonderful to have a teacher like you!
Merry Christmas Dr. nick, George, Nico, Manny, Robert, and all at the shop.
Merry Christmas.
I REALLY like those QFT carbs. 👍
I run the big brother (QFX 4500) to that carb on my Olds, and i love it! The calibration is EASILY tuneable anywhere in the curve, and it just works WELL. Everyone says that "You CAN'T run a Dominator on the STREET! It'll NEVER work right! "
But the QFX on my Olds is a PLEASURE to drive on the street, and has the CRISPEST throttle response of ANY car I've ever driven. It starts up easy with no choke, and will idle very quickly on it's own after firing it up cold. I can idle FOREVER in traffic without the engine loading up and fouling plugs. Other than having to pump the accelerator a few times when it's cold, it fires up instantly every time when the first cylinder rolls over compression. Once warmed up, it's like driving an E.F.I. car but with MUCH faster throttle response. There is NO dead spots anywhere in the entire throttle sweep, and is completely responsive no matter where the pedal is at in it's travel. Carbs have come a LONG way in the last few years.
Thank you Nick and George for the Christmas present I thought it was a Christmas present I enjoyed it very much thank you again you folks have a good Christmas and I hope everything goes good for all of you
Merry Christmas.
My dream cars I have, 79 Lil Red and a 78 Aspen R/T to restore. I’m going to put a 340 with roller cam in Aspen since it’s a 4 speed and a 5.7L Hemi with late model automatic and fuel injection for the Lil Red.
Merry Christmas to the whole Nick's Garage family and great job Pat on the build.
Merry Christmas.
Aesthetically a six-pak setup would have been sweet. Happy Holidays Nicks Garage! 🎅🏼
Happy holidays!
Hey and Merry Christmas and happy New Year!!! I KNEW this thing was gonna rip: almost 700 LB-FT of torque??!!!! MMAANNN!!! Great job, guys!!! Love how Nick points out and explains details, like the oiling process on mopar engines: definitely stuff to keep in mind when I build mine!!! Great week to all you guys!!!
What would I do with a 600 HP BB Mopar? Drive the living daylights out of it!
My 1st car was a '69 Charger R/T w/440/4 speed/Dana axle, ran a Dick Landy prepped 440 that dynoed in at 625 HP and this was 40+ years ago. That car would pass everything but a gas station and a tire store, and run an 11.40 1/4 mile time to boot.
Thank you Nick for one badass dyno session on Christmas Day, and Merry Christmas to you & your family!
You are, as usual, correct Nick. The torque and horsepower peaks make it a perfect and intimidating, street engine. Congrats to both of you!
Joyeux Noel et bonne annee from the Left Coast!
Right on! Merry Christmas.
You're just going to spin tires and go nowhere
This will get dusted on the street by any decent modern setup. This is a cars & coffee build.
Pretty sweet. I just built a 505 stroked with all trick flow top end, super sniper efi, roller 600 lift 291 duration cam. It pulled 691 ft/tq and 655HP @5400rpm it's a beast in my Cuda.
We just built a 512 made 800 hp
Subbed. Looking to do the same on my charger
Would love to see the parts list for that, awsome.
Definitely what’s the parts list is that wheel or engine dyno
Love this site! Nick has a way of making you feel like you are there with him in his shop!
Merry Christmas Nick. Great show. May this year be a happy and healthy one for you and your family.
Merry Christmas.
I really enjoyed watching this, you are a wonderful mechanic and a gentleman, it was very refreshing to hear your calm manner, God bless...
I've been waiting for this all morning!! Merry christmas everyone
Same to you! Merry Christmas.
I built a EFI system for a 440 board and stroked to 505. It tested at just under 700 HP, plus a 150 shot of progressive nitrous with a Dominator ECU. 10 years ago
The owner obviously had an idea of a possible issue to a problem with rockers. Unfortunately it appears the builder did not confirm lubrication to the heads . Luckily ... You know what needs to be checked and confirmed . Your on it Nick .
8:15 GOOD call....
YES, the shaft rockers on my Olds engine WILL shatter the shafts like glass if I would try to remove them when the rockers are open, and under pressure from the 800lb valve springs. The shafts on my engine are in 3 pieces on each head, and I have to rotate the engine so that every valve on each section of shaft is completely closed when I remove that section of rockers for winter storage, or when servicing the system.
I had to change out the lifters I start with due to the fact no oil was getting pumped to the top end, turns out it was all leaking by the wheel, after much cussing and discussing changed lifters and no more problems.
Reminds me of a friend and I went to prime a 440 and didn't have the oil pressure sensor in and it shot out glad I won't near it years ago great video Thanks
Merry Christmas and God bless to Nick and everyone at the garage - from here on the Ridge!
- Ed on the Ridge
Merry Christmas.
All the best to you, Ed. Merry Christmas and stay warm on that ridge.
Merry Christmas Nick and crew. You gave the stroker engine owner a tremendous gift for Christmas. ❤
Merry Christmas from ASR Engine in Ontario!!
Merry Christmas.
Nick and the camera man George. You guys are such good souls. I wish you all the best in health as that's what counts the most in life...🙏
He's going to need a bullet proof drive train to stand up to that much torque.
Challenger is looking great. That book looks interesting. Thanks Nick, George, Manny, Robert and Nico!
What would I do with 600 horse power? Use 200 for a burnout and put the other 400 in the bank 😂. Congrats on another great mopar and Merry Christmas to you and the whole crew!
Merry Christmas.
1.25lb/ft per cube, that's a nice street motor, good result...and it looks sharp too.
I didn’t hear anything about the heads but I’m guessing those are the TF 240’s. I think peak HP would be higher with 270’s on that motor.
270 is mandatory on 500ci and bigger IMO
I was thinking the same thing. With that size engine it would seem like it should be around 630 - 660hp. Nice combination but seems low on horsepower. Wonder what the compression ratio is. Torque was outstanding!!
Since they did not give the cam specs I would imagine it is a small hydraulic roller which explains the torque number higher than the horsepower. Trick flow 240s will make way over 600 horsepower on that engine with the correct camshaft. I believe he wants it to idle a little smoother and be in A Streetcar
@@thomasward4505 Actually the stroke makes the torque with a 4.5 stroke
The 270's recommend with 500+ cubics Max wedge design
i would drive it and launch it at the 1/4 mile track once in a while to get a best time to show on a time slip and place it with all of it's documentation. Pat working with Nick and the owner of the engine is a super combination.
Even though I didn’t get to see this until late, what a great show Nick ! You had me on my seat the whole time . That oil pressure issue was a scare but you worked through it like a surgeon. George great job as well . Happy Holidays to you as well! 👍
Glad you enjoyed it. Happy new year!
MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM ARUBA AND DOMINICAN REPUBLIC. WE FOLLOW YOUAROUND THE WORLD NICK, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND GOD BLESS
Merry Christmas. This engine is a monster . Love it
Merry Christmas.
Hey Pat. Stop dry revving the expensive motor on Nick's Dyno. And get out of Nick's way my guy. He tryna save you here. I know your worried, anxious, and terrified. But Nick can listen to that motor and assess motor than 5 of you with a fully stocked garage complete with a diagnostic machine. Let him work. He got you.
I love Nick's videos, awesome to watch him work.
Oh my damn! I cringed every time he did that wondering why the hell would he knowing there is a lubricating issue!🫣
I think he did that to see if it would squirt more oil on drivers side.
Chill Karen. He was testing oil flow at momentarily higher RPMs.
The way that idles hope he glues he's teeth in when its in the car its terrible
Back in the day ....... Used to lash the valves running in my bone stock 289/271 horse (solid lifter) 65 Mustang. A little messy, but nothing that stopped me from doing that more than once. No big deal, enjoyable even.
Good work. Very nice engine. Best Wishes for the Holidays and the New Year.
WOW💥 another MONSTER at Nick's Garage.....An Blessing to all on this Christmas day.....
Old Shoe🇺🇸
Merry Christmas Shoe.
Nobody seems to be focusing on the real issue, which is the man paid a so-called engine builder good money to assemble this engine and he didn't do what Nick did and check the oiling by sight not a pressure to gauge. And he didn't apply any oil or assembly lube to the valve tips, rocker tips, or push rod cups! So probably none on the lifter end of the push rods either. I don't remember ever seeing anywhere that metal to metal contact was the way to run an engine.
I had to lube all the pushrods cups and springs with oil before start up.
Most shops will get oil pressure before starting a engine.
Assembly lube or not you can buy a priming tool from Milodon and get oil pressure before starting the engine.
The good thing about pre priming is you pull the distributor out to do it.
This allows you to pull the number one sparkplug and place a finger over the hole. You then hit the dynos start button until you feel compression so your 100 % positive your on the compression stroke. If you want 10 degrees before TDC you turn the crank until the damper is exactly 10 before TDC and install the distributor so it points exactly to the number 1 tower on the distributor.
This allows the engine to fire without cranking on it excessively and you will never hear a backfire again.
I thought this was Halloween at first when it seemed no oil was making it to the rockers. I would still like to see more oil flow. Maybe the owner will send Nick some video of the engine in the car. Merry Christmas everyone!
Merry Christmas 🎄🎁 Nick! Keep bringing the goodies and knowledge!
Thanks! Will do! Merry Christmas.
It's always a good dyno day when you're opening the water control valve on the absorber.
Merry Christmas to Nick and his whole crew.
Merry Christmas.
Very nice results on the 540 Nick.
I watched this when it came out.
Never commented.
I am revisiting the video again.
And I thought I would comment.
Great content as always.👍
Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Nick, you should have a PHD in Engine Building!
That Green Motor Oil Reminds Me of Kendall 20W50 Oil Nick 😀👍🏼
I believe thats exactly what it is..