440 Long Ram Dyno Test - TOO MUCH Torque!
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Nick worked with engines for 52 years before he got to work on a long ram intake.. now he has two in the shop. First it was the 413 and now this 440 torque beast is on the dyno. Here we GO!
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I worked at the Chrysler Highland Park Engineering Center from 1966 to 1992 and ran a Performance Dyno. Up until 1975 the dyno operator was in the room with the engine where we ran power runs up to 6000 rpm. The power run lasted about an hour and there was no automated data acquisition. NO protection whatsoever except for a propshaft guard. What glorious days.
Good old days of no protection.
Did I get this straight ? You ran engines at six thousand for an hour ?
That's impressive
@@jesse75 NO. The power run took a little over an hour. Started at 1200 rpm and went up to 6000 rpm in 400 rpm intervals. At each speed we would set max spark advance for torque and then manually take all our readings including F/A mixture for all cylinders. Then we would go to the next RPM and repeat till we were done with the test. After the power part of the test we would run the engine out of gas and repeat all the speeds again recording the friction at each rpm and therefore know how much power was lost to friction. Then all the test readings would go to the engineer to calculate all the HP/Torque/Fuel consumption readings and then he would plot out a graph. Nowadays all that is done automatically with computers.
@@vietnamvet6726 interesting. So you had a way to spin the engine without it running.
I don’t know if people realize how fortunate we are that Nick makes these videos. This knowledge and experience would otherwise be lost forever. It’s video treasure.
Oh yeah 👍
My grampa had this engine in his car and one night while drinking in Kenosha Wisconsin he was heading back to Illinois when the police attempted to make a traffic stop! Well being the good ol boy he was he floored it leaving the officer in the dust! Knowing he was heading for the state line Kenosha police radioed to the Winthrop Harbor Police stating they need help with a car flying their direction! Well gramps tore the gears out of his transmission near the state line and coasted into Illinois! As expected the police were a waiting and watched as the car rolled into town! The officer pulled up behind him parked on the side of the road and said we’ve been hearing about a hot car evading the boys across the border and honestly this car couldn’t outrun me on foot! The officer gave gramps a ride home to get his truck and actually followed him to make sure he got the car home safely! Things sure have changed!
I am close to 76yrs. Old. This is my first time seeing the long ram. They are very impressive. Thank you very much. I really enjoy all of your segments.
Glad you enjoyed it!
It was the late 60s and I was a teenager working in a garage and a customer rolls in and needs some quick work on his 63, 413 dual quad ram induction. He pops the hood and wow! No one had seen it. We ask what did he do with it. He said he pulled his AirStream tailer home and sometimes goes through the Rockies. Can’t even tell the tailer is behind him.
Not just a low rpm torque monster that's the coolest looking motor I've ever seen from any car company it's a bonus being a 440 Mopar totally badass Chrysler engineering and know how
I bet the guys that designed these old monsters had no clue that they would STILL be state-of-the-art 60-70 years later. God bless the Ramchargers and all the engineers at Chrysler.
And then on those long rams you’re right on there 440 Bighorn on the two front intakes
Interesting fact: The Porsche M28 V8 engine from the 928 cars had almost the exact same bore spacing as the 440 Mopar. Which means that with some drilling and welding, DOHC 4 valve heads could be fitted to this engine. Arias has done it with 502 Chevy big blocks; They use a belt cog attached to the water pump to run the four overhead camshafts.
A 32 valve 440 Dodge~?
Agree...back then the appearance of an engine was just as important as how it ran.
Impressive for sure!! That is the King of TPI long tube intakes!
@@Flies2FLL Used to live down the street from a place that made 4 valve chevy heads they woudltest their camaro late at night by my place. Neat stuff.
Watching that linkage twist from the top is like the coolest thing
That torque at that RPM is like diesel numbers. Amazing
It is a torque monster, but that Dyno pulls it down pretty good, Nick good job my man I love watching you. You are a true old school technician. We are fortunate to have you and able to learn so much from watching it and listening to you. Stay golden my man.
It's been 57 years since I've seen a 413 with duel quads on a long runner manifold! This 440 with the duel quads and long runner manifold has been fantastic to watch today! Beautiful engine with a lot of muscle!
It's another Monday, and we have a long ram tube setup on the dyno, this time on a 440. I'm very anxious to see what kind of torque this engine can produce at 3000 RPM. I haven't see so many long ram intakes in a long time. It's like being back in the 60's again. You just never know what you will see on Nick's Garage. Let her rip Nick.
It never rains, but it pours! We are fortunate to see so many great things coming though the doors. Like your amazing Charger 500. Here we GO!
Should have started the test set at 1500 RPMs... or wherever the engine can take all 8 barrels... or 4 barrels if vacuum secondaries...
@@BuzzLOLOL You should have been paying attention to the video. Nick's dyno isn't capable of doing a test at 1500 RPM. The water brake is another factor for that hinders a low RPM test.
@@eugenecastles7475 - It's just a matter of setting the computer for 1500... at that low RPM or close to it the water brake may be able to hold the torque...
@@BuzzLOLOL I think if that were the case, Nick and Manny would have figured it out and done it. It is unfortunately beyond the capabilities of the Dyno he has. Nick had outright said this Dyno can not be set low enough to do it, and I think he would know.
Amazing Torque , and the comfort of the Corinthian Leather , could You imagine the tv commercial for this if it was a factory set up back in the day 😂👍
Reech co-RIN-thee-an layther
@@_..-.._..-.._ Well spoken, Mr. Montalban . . .
You know that something like that would never get the approval of Consumers Reports and the other gutless drivetrain malaise era apologists and cheerleaders.
I always thought these Mopar engines with twin 4 barrel carburetors and the crazy long intake manifolds look awesome!
I have a 440 Magnum (out of a 1969 Chrysler Imperial) with this same Long Ram induction, crammed into my 1970 Dodge Dart. It’s super torquey.
Stock factory exhaust header that wraps up and over the steering shaft or something else
Thank you Nick for reminding me of a older friend of mine who used to collect these kind of motors and the older Hemis and when he passed he left them all to me Thank you Steve Row hope you are RIP your friend Spud Grant!
Put those pieces to good use. My condolences 🙏🏽.
This manifold is the original version, with the tuned ram tubes going all the way from the plenum under the carbs to the heads. They were tuned for peak torque at 2800 rpm. When they proved great on the street but not right for the drag strip, Chrysler then cast up some more of them, but with shorter runners (such as on the Chrysler 300-J ) that Nick just ran some dyno tests on. In the last 6 weeks Nick has been blessed with the "short-short" max wedge version tuned for 4400 rpm, with the "long-short" version tuned for 4400 rpm for the 300-J he's been working on, and now the "long-long" version tuned for 2800 rpm. Most MoPar vintage engine shops will never see even one of these manifold sets, much less all 3. Actually, many MoPar engine builders may not even be aware of them, because they go back to 1959-1964 and only we "old-timers" would have been exposed to them. Note that Nick normally starts his dyno pulls at 2500 rpms, but here he can't get a good reading under 3000 revs, the Superflow 902 dyno can't deal with that much low end torque. UPDATE: While watching this video the 2nd time around, I noticed that the aluminum heads were Edelbrock E-Street models, which are good heads, but not anything wild or special, so the engine is making HUGE torque with basically a close equivalent to stock heads. Also, I didn't catch it before, but Nick was saying these carbs were just 500 cfm each. Recall from the Max wedge test about a month ago, it had dual Carter / Edelbrock carbs of 750 cfm each, and Nick was commenting the 750s were too big. Maybe they'd even have allowed more power if they were just the 500 cfm units like this car has. Or maybe 600 cfm units. UPDATE #2: at the end of this video, Nick and Manny managed to trick the dyno a little bit more, and they came away with 569 lbs / ft of torque at 3000 rpms. Still, Nick entered on the computer to start the test at 2500 rpm, but the dyno just couldn't measure any HP or torque under 3000 rpm, no matter what they did. When looking at the power and torque curves on a graph, and working backwards, it looked to them that the final torque number at just under 3000 rpm was going to be 575 (!!) pounds / ft of torque.
Good information. Are these intake manifolds the same as the Max Wedge type? It is possible that many of these manifolds are on cloned cars?
@@markg7030 The Max Wedge intakes were quite different. They didn’t have long runners.
I believe that the only differences between the long and short runner intake manifolds were internal. Externally, they were the same.
Correct. @@MrJohnnyDistortion
@bobkonradi1027
And of course, one manifold was for low-end street torque, and the other was for the high bank oval.
Absolutely incredible. That is Efficiency at its finest right there.
nick's team did a beautiful job on restoring this advanced engine. 550 ft/lbs shows the Chrysler engineers back in the day really knew their stuff. You are going to have to put 4 tires on the real axle to use it unless you don't mind changing out tires every 50 miles. That really is amazing Nick. , you created a beautiful monster. Your show is a master class in engine rebuilding.
We can't take the credit.. this engine was not built at Nick's. It came in for testing.
The Ramchargers drag team was Factory Engineers during the week.
Spending the tires will be an easy and fun task hehehe
Some of the readers here might enjoy knowing about THE SILVER BULLET- THE BEAST OF WOODWARD AVENUE. Type that into the search engine. It'll take you to the Plymouth GTX that Ford and GM like to pretend never existed. Yes, the Chrysler engineers really knew their stuff. They liked to play too. Hardball. Makes me laugh.
@@NicksGarage I know what you are saying because I can remember, the 1970 Cadillac Eldorado's 500cu made a whopping 400hp@4000rpm's and an even more impressive 560lbft @ 2700rpm's!!
Yeah, I know the brochure says 400hp@4400 and 550lbft@3000rpm's but 40yrs ago, my uncle told me that according to engine-test data-sheets and with that engine's extremely high torque curve so early, they could possibly reach 550lbft as early as 2300rpm and be over 560+lbft@2700rpm.
Pickup truck and C-body guys should all use these intakes. Wow. I'd sure like to see what would happen with a 540 stroker with this setup.
It would break his dyno!
Broken axles, u joints, twisted driveshaft, etc.
Imagine with a set of dual Holley Sniper EFI throttle body injection or Dominator EFI sequential multiport port fuel injection with twin 4bbl throttle bodies on a huge stroker.
This concept would be interesting on a small block road racing engine.
@@hendo337 that would be the way to go with this type of intake manifold. You could see in the beginning how they had to spend extra time getting the engine warmed up as the shape of the manifolds and lack of heat to the carburetor plenums made it difficult to get the fuel atomization stabilized. Fuel injection would solve that issue and is why you see long-branch tuned intake manifolds on all modern EFI engines.
The engineers knew what they needed to do to get a heavy axxed car moving! It was the ultimate design for performance to rapidly move a 5,000+lb car!! And then they built the ultimate balance between vehicle weight and engine performance....."the 426 Hemi"!!!
Maybe not really understanding at the time, but what a memory to have to have lived through that time period! Yep...I am old. (But I am blessed!!) I've forgotten more than I remember!
Thanks for the memories Nick!!
There is nothing better than a Mopar that has the expertise of Nick's Garage to get dialed in. Canada 🍁 has a real gem! This engine looks like a boxer in a three piece suit.
Thanks George! I noticed the lights!! It's nice to have options! Just got here and ready to see the dyno results on this 440! So cool!
Haha! Glad you caught that.🌈
I'm digging these cross Rams
Same here!
Wait till you have to work on it, changing spark plugs, etc. Also these things MUST be run with heat risers. I'm a 60 Plymouth guy and this was the OE option for the 60, yet I don't like it.
Loving them but changing valve cover gaskets will be a pain
Me too awesome 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎😎😎
@@NicksGarage I would love to see one of these with a Mr. Gasket pro scoop on each one!
A long ram and Corinthian leather! Great combo! It is great to see folks are now giving Cordoba's some love!👍
Thank you Nick! The 440 line is legendary. This is a perfect example of why a stock 440 can always blow minds. With nothing else than a carb mod , you got everything from a tractor to a rocket. It's no wonder Chrysler had space program contracts back in the day.
May need a Tractor or Truck Dyno for this application.
They operate at lower RPM.
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Nice job Nick.
Thanks for sharing.
Take care, Ed.
Just goes to show you, Chrysler Engineer's had an awesome idea! Torque is king, horsepower is only a "top end" thing. I maybe a Ford person, but Mopar still is the bomb!
What a lot of people don’t realize is that horsepower is the derivative (calculus) of torque. So, engine configuration to optimize torque somewhere on the RPM range obviously influences horsepower, but horsepower is not its own separate thing.
It’s like the confusion of centripetal force and centrifugal force (the latter is just inertia restrained by centripetal force).
So the more effective way to describe engine performance is to compare the torque curve and consider horsepower less as a unique number, but a measure of how rapidly torque increases or decreases over the RPM range.
Im a ford person, i will never turn my back on the brand i trust, but i can say i like all muscle cars, i just have a preference that's all
What a lot of people don’t realize is that torque is just a rotational force. Horsepower is literally work done over time.
Torque breaks parts like driveshafts, and transmission, as well as traction; horsepower is one of the variables you need in a quarter mile calculator.
This is why everyone with a fast car (myself included) fears the guy in an EG civic with a turbo. That’s because 550lb-ft at 3000rpm is still just 317hp, and in the Civic 300lb ft at 8000 rpm’s is 450hp.
The Civix wins this because it makes nearly 400hp per ton and the Cordoba would only be making 220hp per ton.
The fact that the Cordoba makes 350lb-ft per ton and the civic makes 250lb-ft per ton had nothing to do with it.
Gotta tell you Nick, this episode was SUPER interesting, thanks.
Mopar engineers weren't afraid of pushing the limits of understanding and building off of what they learned to make some outstanding pieces of mechanical genius and art!
We all love different manufacturers but we all love horsepower! Great video!
Mopar or no car.
That engine is a tire shredder no matter what car it goes into. WOW! Very cool Nick, Manny and George. Thanks for sharing this beast with us. Stay safe all, God Bless.
Great show Nick, really enjoyed this one. I built a 440 in a 1975 New Yorker again the 440 was a torgue monster. Spent my mechanical youth money on the Direct Connection Catalogue.
Man oh man!!!!! Nearly 600 lb-ft of torque around 3000-ish, this’ll give the 455 Buick fits!!!! These long ram manifolds could become a hot trend among the classic Mopar crowd if this keeps up: wonder how many other guys still work with them. George, if you would, ask Nick and Manny if they could give a short explanation of how a dyno does what it does. Thanks for another fantastic video session at Nick’s garage!!!!
Basically a water brake. To know power, you need to know the load, so it's just a water pump that measures volumetric flow.
Don't forget, that torque number is "net" not "gross" and working backwards from 3000 rpm, the dyno graph was climbing back towards 575 lbs / ft torque at 27-2800 rpm. Absolutely incredible. Do we realize that this engine, in the man's Cordoba (with its Corinthian leather seats) in a 60-80 or 6-0-85 mph car passing race with a Corvette , the Corinthian leather would get there first.
Really. I don't think Buicks had long ram manifold and 2! Carbs to make beastly torque
@mistersecret88
The Buick & Pontiac 455 engines were underrated at 525 ft/lb of torque. Buick heads had great flow, were known Hemi Killers and the Buick 455 is only 50lbs heavier than a Chevrolet 350.
@@MrJohnnyDistortionthere he is, the one who understands em, yes Buick 455s where what? 50 pounds lighter than a 454? And they made close to 520 pound feet, from factory, now tune, better carb, but still factory you can get close to 540, now all the parts, to bad they don’t make these long things for em, if a 455 had a long intake like this, diesel boys would throw a fit, rpm isn’t an answer to speed, rpm just gives you more top speed, but stuff like this, my god, you’ll move, maybe I should make some engineering friends and maybe get someone to make one for a 455 Buick, ya know, little bore over but not to much, but better compression, cam etc, -crank, etc, probably make 700 NA if not more, depending on how much you spend..
Props to Nick for going the extra mile and making a period-correct Mopar commercial with himself as the star.
Brings back memories… I put a cross ram induction system with twin four barrel carbs on my ‘69 Charger back in the day… I could drop to 2nd gear at 55 mph and lay a streak of rubber on the interstate.
Nick says, I did it with a small block, the Dyno tech says Nick, Nick, this is a STUMP puller. Lol. 😅😅😅
The LONG intake needs to be explained. The Germans accomplished super HI TORQU with there VW Bug by using the LONG TRACK manifolds. The Carburetor was mounted very high above the motor on the VW giving the motor a VERY long intake manifold ( about 2 feet) similar as the 440 Long ram motor you are working on. When air is sucked through the carburetor down the VERY long intake manifold the air comes at high velocity to get through the intake valve then the intake valve closes but the air does not just stop in keeps coming and piles up a high pressure boost momentarily at the valve and before this boost of air can bounce off of the valve and travel back out the intake the intake valve TO THE CARB THEVALVE will open and the EXTRA boost of air goes into the motor then repeat. This kind of LONG intake gives both the VW and the 440 Long Ram an incredible torque boost without a turbo charger. Another way to think of this is a 100 people run as fast as they can to go through a LONG hallway and can go through the doorway BUT the door closes and non of these people can just stop they keep coming and all pile up at the the door at high speed WITH HIGH PRESURE. Then the door opens again and now so many people go flying through the now open door. This is how the extra long intake manifold gives these naturally asperated motors so much boost AND TORQUE. THE TRICK IS TO MAKE THE MANIFOLD NOT TOO LONG SO THE HIGHER AIR PRESSURE BUILT UP AT THE INTAKE VALVE WILL NOT BOUNCE BACK TO THE CARBURATOR. THIS IS ONLY USING SIMPLE TECK TO ACCOMPLISH HIGH TORQUE FOR A MOTOR. THIS TYPE OF MANIFOLD ALSO HELPED THE SLANT 6 TO HAVE HIGHER TORQUEON THE OUTSIDE CYLINDERS ( THOSE TRACKS WERE LONGER THAN THIS INSIDE MANIFOLD TRACKS) FOR LOW RPM AND THE SHORTER TRACK ON CENTRE CYLINDERS TO HAVE LOWER TORQUE BUT HIGHER HORSPOWER . i JUST LOVE THESE VIDEOS SO MUCH TO LEARN.
10:00 Your Dyno is different than our SuperFlow, we have a separate ball valve besides the absorber adjuster valve, which you can use to put additional water into the absorber. I've had a few lower RPM big blocks over the years that I needed to open that valve to "capture" the engine for lower RPM tests. Most common are the 502/540 BBC's for marine applications.
Would love to have a set up like this in a earlyy 70's power wagon tow rig
That thing is gorgeous. The old school 440 with that exotic long ram dual 4 set up is magic. Then the full modern accessory package is the the perfect combination for the Cordoba to be the ultimate luxury look, nightmare.👏👏👏👍
When I saw the thumbnail for this video I immediately checked the runners to see if they were the long "long" ram manifolds like Nick said on the short long rams. Just like he said they were. I love these dyno vids, 569 lbs torque at 3, grand?! Talk about being able to pass school buses quickly!
Amazing, all that torque without a stroker, the long ram is awesome and all without nitrous, supercharger, blower. Naturally aspirated
And at low RPM!
Just imagine a 100shot or a blower on this! Anyone know of a project like that that's even been tackled?
I mean, it’s still a gigantic displacement. Even without any mods, it should make great torque.
The infamous Helmholtz effect. It actually works and works well. German four and six cylinder engines started doing this in the 1960's to great effect.
What is happening is that the charge rushes through the long tube, gaining speed. When it hits the closed intake valve, it bounces back and hits the charge coming from the carburetor, then bounces back again toward the intake valve. It hits the now open valve at exactly the right time at low RPM, essentially supercharging the engine. Volumetric efficiency can reach nearly 100 percent when this is done right. Long narrow tubes are good for low RPM cylinder filling, while short fat ones are good for high RPM.
Applied in the slant six manifold
@@brownwrench Perfect example.
Great knowledge to know. Thanks.
this is what i call an engine with class. it does just what it is supposed to do . good work Nick your the best.
Some of the best classic vehicle engines known from Chrysler and they are always at Nick's Garage.😊
Gotta love Manny he's Nick right hand man..
Getting in there to choke the carbs by hand to get the thing warmed up is some dedication. That thing is a BEAST
Thanks Nick! Super fun build. Got to love these torque monsters. I had a 1970 eldorado convertible with the 500cid. Same thing. 535 ft lbs of torque. Could get a little wild with the front wheel drive.
The 500 in the 70 Eldo was rated at 550 lb. ft. torque to go with 400 HP. Those are gross figures.
Awesome! Dads 1964 plymouth fury, borg t-10, 5.13 gears cheater slicks. 1959 413 with long rams, big cam. Broke a bellhousing at 7500 rpm. Took trophy home hp/ci class at bunker hill dragstrip in Indiana in the 60's against 427s 426s all in the class. Fast forward to the 1990"s my green 1970 newport named "Marge" 8.2:1 440, 4:10 gears experimental cam 7 in of vacuum. front wheels up high leaving in 2nd on full manual 727! Blew thru the 6500 rev limiter. Now on a 400 in a 1968 monaco 4.56 gears More to come with a 413 long ram in a dragster.... I can't complement you enough, Nick!
Anyone need any old stumps pulling out? 😁 Thanks Nick, George and Manny!! What a monster with long rams it is.
I tried exactly what you"re trying to do; install a RB w/long ram into the last b-body generation. I bought a 28K mile loaded 1979 Chrysler Cordoba Brougham back in 85. It had the anemic 318 lean burn, 904 & 8 ¼ rear. Took me 9 months to built her the Right way. 512 cu based off a 440. 12.5:1 comp, I also hogged out & ported a set of 906 heads on my homemade flow bench (built from a 3 part article in Car Craft back then, along with a 727 HEMI trans, Fairbanks reverse man trans, 3200 stall, 8 ¾ w. 4.10, adjus.....you know where this is going. The list of parts was long but the car looked bone stock. She put out 585 HP to the rear wheels and 471 lb/ft of torque.
Suffice it to say that the original power booster, master cyl. & fender braces had to get gone. We installed an Wilwood reverse throw brake set-up off my buddy's dirt track car under the dash to take her out for her maiden run. She screamed and got loose going into 3rd. With all that GO the Wilwood set-up was too weak; which really surprised me. I ended up getting my money back on the long ram; luckily the guy was nice enough to undo the sale; which was only 3 days old. Ended up going with a 1000cfm ThermoQuad on a shaved Team G intake. She had quite a short life but for the year I had her; it was awesome.
When I was a kid our neighbor had a Dodge. He would tape a $5 to the dash and say, "When I hit the gas...if you can grab that, it's yours to keep". I don't think anyone ever got that five spot. My early introduction to torque.
This Long Ram induction really is a work of art and this engine would literally pull houses down with its massive tyre frying torque!
Great video of an epic Mopar big block 👍
Another build that I've been wanting to see. A 440 with ram induction system!
Thanks for waiting!
Somebody, somewhere who has access to mold makers and casting facilities needs to make up some more of these manifolds. Both the standard version (as this one is) and the hi-po version as per the 300-J that he's also working on.
@@bobkonradi1027, a guy with a tubing bender could weld up a set.
@@bobstitzenberger1834 2" x .125 Aluminum round tube for the runners would work. Put that intake s.ystem on a 500+ inch Chrysler Big Block.
@@hk45c62 yep 572ci and 12:1!
Very interesting design, I remember when my dad had his 1962 - 300-H convertible, what a great car
The 1970 Buick for 455 stage one had about 500 foot pound torque a little over 400 hp. It was the ultimate sleeper with the right wheels you got that car in the high 12s that’s what this reminds me off.
Back in 1978 I had a 71 Swinger with a 440 and these manifolds. I used two AFBs 500s and hooker fenderwells. Had to remove the casting for the water heating to fit over the shock towers. Incredible watching you guys drooling over the torque. Yep torque was king and no RPM needed. Actually at 4500 RPM it would start to lean out. I worked for a Chrysler dealer and another older mechanic had a '63 Chrysler 300J with the original crossram on a 413. That 6000 lb car would cruise and pass anything. I sure wish I had my Dart back again. Drove it winters and summers up here in Canada and ran the AC in the summer.
That engine is a BEAST! Thanks for sharing it with us!!
Nick, I just wanted to say I love your videos. I dont restore cars anymore but man I love when you fix / teardown /dyno engines. FYI...In 1978 I was 18 years old and my second car ever was a 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T with the 383 Magnum. Slapstick automatic. LOVED that car. Please keep making these videos !!!
I'm a long time Mopar guy, but I sure learn a lot on Nick's videos. I never knew the difference between the two long rams, the 413, and the 440 ram seen here.
Thanks! We are learning too.
Hi Nick, John from the U.K. are all your dyno runs done in SAE net? I’m wondering if you could explain the difference between gross and net HP please?
@@johnchurch4705 He explained early in the video that he normally tests gross HP with no accessories, no air filter and an electric motor driving the water pump so the engine is not even doing that. This engine came with all the accessories in place, so this test is net HP as installed in the car with accessories.
@@johnchurch4705 SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) Gross HP is the engine running without the accessories dragging down the engine. Note that Nick normally runs his engines with an electric motor on the water pump and with no accessories such as PS, alternator, air conditioner, etc.. With the accessories hooked up and dragging down the engine, it is DIN (Deutsche Industrie Norm) Net.
the ram shown here was also 413 never on a 426 or 440
I love it! My brother had that on a 440 in a short bed 73 D 100. It was awesome!!😊
Gotta love Nick's garage! Real old school knowledge 👌
My dad's friend had a very similar setup, long rams, 440... in an A body (70 dart swinger). Even better is he smoothed out the long rams and had them chromed which looked amazing. Definitely one of the coolest looking intakes ever on a car.
In my mind with modern hotrodding tricks I'd like to see someday someone weld bungs for port fuel injection, 4bbl throttle bodys with 90* hats being feed by some twin turbos in the bay. Would look awesome.
That's why in the '60s when I grew up my dad went out and started the car half hour before we left anywhere in the winter here in Michigan
Those were the days.
Jet boat pumps are very similar to dyno’s, there’s a jet boater that put a Cummins in and had to add a transmission. He added the transmission to get his shaft speed up. I wonder if adding a manual transmission to let the motor eat and get more shaft speed to make the dyno happy would make more measurable results
My late dad owned a 60 Chrysler New Yorker, it lasted 2 weeks, got totalled in the middle of a intersection, got hit on the driver's side, drunk driver ran the red light but the police charged my dad and said it was his fault (because of his black skin color), I remember my mom was real angry about that as well as my dad. He had to wait till the insurance company get their end together and then my dad bought a used 61 Chrysler Windsor (spinnaker white, baby blue interior), then in 1970 he traded her in for a 66 Chrysler 300 2 door. In 1975, the transmission went out on her when he was on his way home. He traded her in for a 71 Chrysler Newport custom 4 door. Had the same options the 71 New Yorker. He ended up selling to his cousin and bought a 77 Chevrolet Caprice from his brother. After that he bought a brand new 77 Chrysler Newport base model 2 door. I was raised up on Mopars. I dont have one but I want a 73 Newport custom with all options and a 77 New Yorker Brougham. I still want my dream car, a 61 Chrysler Windsor or Newport or 300G. She was the prettiest weirdest looking one. My 2nd choice is the 71 Newport Custom or a 70 Chrysler 300. The first car I learned to drive in was the 77 Newport base model. It was my favorite and I washed her twice a week, waxed her every month !!
My parents had a '76 Cordoba with the 360 2-barrel. I was looking up the biggest engine option which was the 400 4-barrel, and it "only" had ~320 ft-lb!!! While the Cordoba was fairly heavy, the Imperial could really have used this setup given it was 1500 lbs heavier.
Had a '72 Chrysler New Yorker Sleeper with this intake setup... 4-6 MPG City 11MPG Highway on 98 leaded octane.
it used to eat corvettes for breakfast! Never forget the sound of the 2 carbs @WOT
The torque at these low RPM's is amazing. The difference between the 4 barrel and the dual long ram is also amazing at the differenced in amount of torque and at what RPM. I never knew they made the two different long rams with a different RPM at which they worked best. They knew how to make those big cars get away from a stop for sure.
What a beast of a motor💪. As usual Nick and crew always bring the best content. Best show on utube.
It's unfortunate that we can't see the true peak number, but this guy has the ultimate bragging rights being able to say that his engine made so much torque it literally couldn't be measured... and you can give him the paperwork to prove it!
That 440 has so much torque, probably the only tires that won't spin would be the proper size slicks. The only thing is you wouldn't be able to drive in on the street. What a BEAST!
i have heard of ball breaking but this takes it to a whole new meaning
You've done well setting up the carbs so there is virtually zero bog. 👌👌👌👌
My dad used to have a 67 Charger that had a 440 Magnum. It didn't have this kind of intake (he's always called it a cross-ram intake), but he did have a Holley 700 and a purple stripe cam, and managed to beat a Corvette going uphill with it.
Look at Nick getting excited, he's seen so much in his life time that it takes a lot to excite him and that excites me. At our age he and i together have seen MORE than most yet not as much as others. It does do the old SOULS JUSTICE to receive comprehension at this level. Thanks too all the above.
Great video Nick! I am amazed at the torque numbers coming from that 440 long ram induction. I've never seen # like those at such a low RPM. See you next 🕙
I've toyed with the thought of simply putting a 5.9 Magnum into an early 80's Cordoba along with the A518 and the 3.55 axle from a Ram. My folks had a 1980 and I loved that car.
My project car was a 1979 Chrysler Cordoba, with a 440 bored 30 over and balanced to zero. Slapped a Holley 4 barrel 1000 cfm throttle body fuel injection on it, back in the early 90's. Car frame rotted out from the inside and didn't have the funds to replace it. Wanted to go full frame from the unibody to keep it from twisting the car in half. It was running a dual plane intake, which matched the cam rpm range, theoretical numbers were 401 hp at 5200 and 450flbstq at around 3800, theoretical as I've never got a chance to get it dyno'd. The numbers were from a cam profile software based on cam specs and a 4 bbl carb on a dual plane manifold. I miss driving "The Beast", still have it but it's just rotting away in the driveway, don't have funding to do what I want, but glad I made a video of it when it was driving, from time to time I'll look at the video, it always puts a smile on my face.
This video brings me back to when I was working on it. I can't work on cars anymore as it does take a toll on my back and I end up walking beside myself, literally. "The Beast" was temperamental as it didn't like to start when someone other than myself or my brother tried to start it, which made it difficult for our service station guys to do inspections on it, lol, "The Beast" as we called it had a personality, it loved being showed off at car shows. It's been 27 years since it last ran.
Amazing numbers! Oh my goodness I remember it was the 70s Ricardo Montalban came on TV advertising Cordoba with its Corinthian leather my mom and dad both fell in love 1976 there was a brand new one in the yard the old man just had to have it Mom just loved it what a childhood memory right there⛽️🇺🇸
"Rich, Corinthian leather."
That's cool! Another cross flow just as you finished the other. Crash course on these motors I guess! Rare intakes !! Thanks Nick from Cape Cod 😁🙏they should have used that setup in trucks 👍
We could hardly believe it ourselves.
Love that dancing clamp roaming around
Gives new meaning to the word 'serpentine.' What a cool looking engine.
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Great show today Nick and George, and I always love Manny’s input! 🚗 💨
In automotives class, way back in the early 1970's, we only ever saw these engines in manuals. Great to finally see examples of Chryslers hard work
Nick great job but when you do dyno runs can you please show the Vacuum readings of the whole run. Also cam specs would be nice Lsa/Lca, duration @ 0.050 and lift. While you have the other Long Ram manifold in the shop you should compare the two manifolds on the dyno. When will you ever have the chance again? Keep up the good work.
Buddy in high school had a 72 D100 1/2 ton in the factory yellow. Just a touch of natural patina, but no rust other than surface. He had a built 440 with header mufflers and an A727 with a decent shift kit and a high stall converter, something like 2500rpm. I think he had an 850 or 900 cfm Holley on it. The torque that thing made... It turned the earth beneath the truck. He couldn't keep tires on that bastard. In the summer it was absurdly hot due to those header mufflers. It would clear the leaves out of the gutter if he parked it on the street. What a fantastic truck, and a fantastic motor.
Hi Nick, Manny & George that is one sweet sounding and looking 440 with some truly impressive numbers down real low, way cool and like you Nick sure hope the client has a sure grip in the rear.
Thanks Blinkie.
Its gotta have around 500 lbs / ft at around 1700 rpms (+/-) or maybe at 2000 revs at the most. That would put max torque just at cruising speed on the interstate hwy.
Smokey Yunick: Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.
Since the engine is not a period correct engine in the first place, why not use throttle body injection systems that can get the mixture right even when the engine is cold?
I had a 1975 Chrysler Cordoba in high school. It was all black and had a 360 with a 2-barrel. Lots of fun memories in that car.
A great way to start my evening.
Hope you have a great one, Mooseman.
Nissan did this in the late 80's with the x flow intake on the Z32 300zx to gain low end torque, a lot of trials was done on the VG30 engine with long runners and variable valve timing.
Dr. Nick, that 440 Long Ram is just awesome, I wonder what transmission Mark will have in the Cordoba that has Rich Corinthian Leather lol, and thank you for the stickers, cheers.
What a nice setup for the street !!, LOADS of torque at low rpm and a great sound. And when you open the hood, you see the majestic Chrysler technology of the sixties, what could be better ??
“Rich Corinthian leather..” ‘75 Cordoba with that engine I like Mark’s thinking.
That’s impressive. My dad used to have a 58 Chrysler with a set up just like that except it was on that 62 Chrysler you got in there it was a 58 Chrysler it had loads and loads of torque. He had a hard time keeping tires on that car, my mother used to get speeding tickets in that car out in California. It was crazy for my dad died before he got sick. We were talking about that car and he was telling me about how much fun it was to drive that car and had the same set up that you got on that 440 in your shop, except his was an old school I think is a 361 big block
my old 1975 Cordoba had the 400 4b , but ya it was just enough to pass and go fast but she took her time lol , these cars are tanks , the old insurance reports from the 1970's list the 1975 to late 70's Cordoba's as one of the worst cars to get hit by in a accident they do alot of damage to most other cars = TANK but they are good looking stylish tanks ! with Corinthian leather seats and opera lights where very cool
Style and power.
Nick's Garage, Worlds headquarters for Chrysler long ram induction!
Another great show you guys made my monday thank you
Greetings Nick: There’s just one thing to do- Get both of long/short owners together and have them trade intakes complete with carbs..!
That is the best you could have with the respective engines! Regards, Jim Dawson (Patron)