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Are you in the market for an all-British off-roader? Then let’s face it, you’re going to choose a Land Rover Defender, aren’t you?
It’s fair to say the all-new Defender has come in for a bit of criticism since it was unveiled. So we want to know whether all the negative comments are justified, or if the all-new edition is a worthy replacement to its predecessor. And what better way to find out then with a series of off-road challenges!
When it comes to power, the new Defender has a clear advantage, with its 2-litre turbocharged Diesel engine pumping out 240hp. That's far more than the old generation can muster from its 2.2-litre turbocharged diesel, which only produces 122hp. Not only that but as we saw earlier in the year, the new Defender is packed full of all-new tech and electronics to help find the perfect settings for these off-road obstacles.
So what do you think - can the old Defender hang in there throughout this off-road battle?! There’s only one way to find out… Stick with Mat to see what happens!
Thanks to Nene Overland for lending us the Defender - bit.ly/NeneOverland
Thanks to Protrax for hosting the use of their off-road course - www.protrax.co.uk/
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The old Defender just looks so much more in its element!
What I said in another video
the new one is a SUV stuffed with electronics, i want to see when it fail, what happens
And I guarantee when the next defender comes out (if there will be one). This one will look more in its element.
The old defender looks and feels like it can take on some extreme situation
Thats right
good...now do that against the Fiat Panda 4X4, and then we talk again
you've got a point
or a jimny lmao
Getting famous off of comments day 144, so I can live the dream, live life to the fullest .🤙🤙🤙
@Aaron Lhungdim ahahahah so happy about this comment!!!! i like this channel 🥰😂
do ittttttttttt
To be honest, off-roading is not about speed but it’s about how far it can go. Old defender is gonna last wayyyy longer then this new one. Especially as water and electricity don’t mix and if you go through floods with snorkel it’s easy with old.
Edit: Old defender is easy fix as it has bearly any electronic stuff so it can be fixed with a hammer, spanner and screwdriver!
Plus let's not forget the most crucial element. The old defender looks like an actual off-roader.
You mean oldoldold Defender. Already due to current norms, the lst "old" Defender had enough electronics to make a well-equipped repair shop mandatory.
@Bass Corp I am fairly certain the "full" Range Rover can wade up to 900mm as well. OK, the question is - who would take a £90k+ car off-roading / through a deep river, but that's another story :p
Really ...yeah the old defender is known for its reability hh
Bruh did you not know the new defender has a wading depth ( how deep it can go on water) is 0.9 meters but the old one only have 0.5 meters and the new one has a higher snorkel and it's electronics is water proof
Might have been fairer to compare against the short wheelbase old Defender. Also, would have liked to see at least one water obstacle, especially with that snorkel on the old Defender - all of those electronic advantages could evaporate in an instant!
Yep, modern cars in general have way too much computer bs in them.. even as a tech guy, i would always prefer the old boy, cuz they are built simple and strong.
Still love the old one, a true icon.
New one look odd for me atleast
Both are🤮
Best comment so far, not about better or worse, just about how much we like them. I love them both, but unless I was starting an off-roading company in some remote part, I would take the new one. I just hope that they can get it reliable.
I feel the same about the ex-wife.
@@MorningNapalm With all those electronics, find an old defender with little or no electronics.
Let’s be honest, people respect the old Defender more.
Well ofc. It’s been proven. The new one has to go through the ringer in order to be respected.
I will never sell mine❤
new one is a fat panda
@@dularar8934 lol
You respect it because the farmer that’s driving it
I think the old Defender would fair better in long-term ownership and possible modifications. The new Defender has lots of electronics that could be expensive to fix later on.
there is way too much electronics, they just break at some random point and give ya a headache combined with a large repair bill.. modern cars in general should start to chill out with all the electronic crap and go back to just being "simple but sturdy".
The Old Defender has solid axles, manual transfer case shift, little computer input, and is built to last. Not only that but it looks a hell of a lot better. I'll take the ol' Defender any time of the day.
40+ years difference in technology and let's be honest most people would still prefer the old one
This man is spitting fax
It's true I prefer the old defender 😁😊
No chance, they're HORRIBLE cars for anything other than going over rough ground. They're cramped inside, handle awfully and are incredibly slow. I don't get the love for them
@@thecremeegg if u love Defender u don't care about those things 😒
@@thecremeegg you are right.... But people still love them
Personal opinion: the old one looks way better! Can't shake the impression new one is just baby Range Rover...
It is, same platform and chassis, suspension etc just a new body and some specific changes.
totally agree, the old looks so much cooler!
Of course. It’s only similarity to the old one is it’s name. If I wanted to go off road I’d rather have a new Jimny than the new defender. 🤷♂️
Truee
True !
99.9% of owners of that new Defender will sadly never utilize all those cool off-road features it has. Being able to set the speed for going downhill is pretty cool, never seen that before.
The Toyota Land Cruiser is even better
So sk8punk318 knows all 100% of the owners of the new Defender and ask them ALL personaly ! great work 👍👍👍
@@yorrickcorreia1655 I would agree. I actually do own a Brand New Land cruiser. It is a great rig
Mat: worried about damaging the car
Also mat: resting feet on the dash and seat 🤡
"Land Rover turning owners into mechanics since 1948"
So true👌
Oh, very clever. Never heard that one before...
Nice one.
But are the old ones also unreliable?
@@atarvhegde5210 especially the old ones
@@dagger8355
Thanks for the info
Considering the age difference and the price, the old defender still does well
The old defender is worth more then the new
Come back after 100000 miles and tell us which one broke down most!
If they would take the anti roll bar off the old one and let the axles flex it would do a lot better.
Or unplug the wheel sensor on the new one. That would shut off the traction control and hill decent.
@@johnlatsch9720 My Landy doesn't even have anti roll bars (Its a 1988). Kind of sketchy when going around those roundabouts... Almost as if I'm in a rollercoaster! an old... rickety rollercoaster...
@@brycepaoli8531 that's surely scary lol
Land Rover turned the Defender into a Discovery, the Discovery into a Range Rover and the Range Rover into a Bentley.
The new defender is a better off road vehicle than the disco. Full stop.
With front and rear diff locks fitted (which are common accessories), the ‘old’ land rover would not have had ended up stuck with‘cross axels’!
I thought the same
Well land Rover didn't want that in the old one and fitted it to the new one to make it better than the old
Ja but has traction control and the guy has it off.
Should be on to see what can do cause TC helps the vehicle extremely well!
the old Defender is still as cool as Steve Mqueen.
Yes, i prefer the old one
old defender is cool yeh but nothing on the coolness (if that's a word) of the latest one in my opinion
The new defender is the same as discovery it has no links to the old beast
Nothing cool about driving a out of date old tin can thats so uncomfortable to drive 😂
@@Zahoodo yes cus it looks sooooo different to the old one, is rubbish off-road & only got 2 seats. The new one is much better in my opinion
20 years from now the old Defender is still running, while the new one is crushed and recycled with failed electronics and no factory support.
Exactly my thoughts. Old series especially 1,2,3, etc is owner fixable in the field, this new SUV is just a competent modern car needing serious support network. You’re not comparing like for like and the target audience/buyer are completely different types.
Steam locomotives are still running today :)
Exactly my view. They won't sell well second hand because nobody will want to touch all the electrics whereas LR owners traditionally have always worked on theirs so the new ones will sell to the country gents/gamekeepers/caravan pullers but those who spend their weekend doing mud runs at various courses around the U.K. the true LR enthusiasts who love going off-road, they may look at the new ones but they'll never get rid of their OG Defenders for a new 1.
@@catalinstavaru5355 Only a few...
The future... foretold 😂
It might be more appropriate and informative to see how far each one travels from new before (expensively) breaking down.
They're both shit let's be honest. The difference is the old one can be fixed.
considering one has warranty then it won't be a fair comparison :')
I own a ‘96 110 and I can tell you here, it’s an absolute joy. It is so far from perfect, which makes it even more perfect. I call mine “Herman”. I personally don’t like the new defender, they’ve made a proper off roader into a family SUV, full of electricity when landys were always supposed to be basic. It also shows how much bigger cars have got over the years.
I'd still choose the old defender any day, anywhere.
Yes
Yea of course The short version of the old is so cute too !!! But which one is the more comfy ?
same
This man is not like to old defender
@@Kassiusday with the interior done properly, the old defender is still my preferable choice for comfort. It's both practical and comfy.
Don't get me wrong. The new defender is amazing at off road, but 1 thing that everyone keeps missing is parts. My 110 TD5 defender has had numerous new parts on it, and they're cheap as chips, AND i can fix it in my driveway.
Defenders are utilitarian, the new defender is (in my opinion) a more off road orientated Range Rover
Well , due to the luxury their other SUVs provide , Land Rover has become more of a luxury car than off road car. Don't get me wrong though, all I am saying is people expect Land Rovers to the luxurious and comfy , not utilitarian.
The situation was different back in the 70s and 80s though
Reshelled disco sport
Form or function - a Defender was always function first. If this bloke could drive off-road, the old defender would be towing out the new one from a ditch
Can you imagine if they brought out a 2020 car and it looked, felt and drove like a military vehicle? No one would buy it... The new Defender has to offer a sprinkling of premium, while still being roughty-toughly. I think they’ve done an a decent job, I wished it just it looked a touch more like it’s predecessors, just a little. The only thing that’s familiar is the rear...
@@magnustan841 a person in the comments who actually has common sense!!! Fuck my life!!!
Well done on basing the review on only about 1/3 of the reasons we own/use (original) Defenders/Series.
The rest of the time we want to know that they are cheap and easy to fix, with quick to bolt on/off parts and plenty of access. We then also want to know that we can chuck stuff in it like hay, feed bags, and mucky kit, and be happy rinsing it out with a hose rather than have to do a full valet. And then, last bit definitely not least: ANYONE who’s owned a modern Land Rover know that their electrics and computers are APPALLING! All those screens and soft touch buttons are great to look at, but I don’t know a single owner of a modern era Range Rover or Discovery who has had to return their car to the dealer multiple times for such issues. I loved my Rangey when it worked, but it averaged 3 or 4 service visits a year for electrics/loom etc.
So, for the job my 90 does, you’ll never catch me buying one of the new versions.
i love the looks of the new defender for sure, but the old one looks equally great have been i serious admirer of the 110 defender, i dont actually mind owning both for different reasons but if i have to choose one i will go with the old
Moral of the story - if you can't drive don't buy the old one.
Totally agree
They just tried to look the old one like a rubbish. I think the gap is a bit shorter.
@@trocpoc7563 The old one could have made that final course. I have driven sedans off-road in more difficult terrain. I don't agree with the outcome of this video. To get a better right turn radius, he could have moved to the left a bit to create enough space for the turn. I think these guys could have done a better job with the old defender.
Agreed!
LOL...LR is working OVERTIME to convince people that this is a better 4x4 and for whats its worth, YES, it can be. Especially with someone who doesn't know how to drive off-road. With all the driver aids etc, helping one get unstuck or preventing one from getting...the new Defender has its merits... given. If you're a clueless weekend warrior...go nuts! But that is the last thing you need when out in the middle of nowhere! I can do the same with a Range Rover...doesn't make it a good choice for the purpose no matter how awesome it looks splashing through the water.
First thing would be... don't take anything you can't fix yourself on the fly. (That includes one's vehicle and the first mistake with the new Defender).
Second... If you can't drive, don't go! Ability, reliability and adaptability is crucial when far from help.( Anyone who thinks they will tackle Africa in this thing is going to be sorely mistaken. There are only two vehicles you'll find out here in the sun and in the outback of Australia etc... Land Cruisers, (the odd Patrol)and old Defenders... anything else is a death wish other side of a weekend away).
No guesses who's gonna need a tow or a lift to the nearest village. If it'll let you get towed..wont be your choice either way.
This is just Bloody Lousy Driving.
Take both cars to africa for a year and give them a set of tools in case of repairs. Lets see which survives.
Very odd use case for the normal consumer
Why not just buy a Toyota Land Cruiser and leave your tool at home ad you won’t need them
How many people take their defender to africa? Answer: no fucking one. Worst they ll see is a muddy field somewehre in europe and thats it. Like 99.9 % of all "off roaders
@@worldwidehiphop8843 Most of our safaris here in Botswana use the land rover defender. So I am not sure what your talking about.
@@ragingmill8088 I am from Botswana and most of the safaris here use defenders. The defender even managed to cross an empty river which was deep and full of sand.
For real remote offroad Expedition the old one is the Choice, the older the better, the less electronics the better
Have you tried doing a multiple line pull at the back so it’s a 3-4 line, like a block and tackle would be ?
The new defender takes all the fun out of off roading
The whole point of off roading is to have fun and hone your skills
Fair play: lets wait 40 years to find out how good is the new "defender"
In 40 years the 'new' Defender will have been recycled into beer cans.
@@indlovubill7100 And people will still be riding in and restoring the old Land Rovers LOL
All the electronics will fail in some years, good when you are out in the bush.
40?! Try 70.
@@NJ-pt3oz means old model not old age
Old one is still the father and king. Because at this age competition like this is just 🔥🔥
Love your videos - so much fun. And love your accent - feels like doing holiday in UK ;-). Thanks a lot! Liked!
the old one is just a lot cooler isn’t it...
100%
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And if they would have turned the bloody diff lock on it would also have gotten through those holes with ease. It's not a fair comparison. If they want to compare it the way people drive it they should have used diff lock on the old one. Anyone that does serious off-roading with an old Defender will have Diff lock on.
Same as with the new one people will probably not turn diff lock on.
This comparison is just so far from real world scenarios..
To me it seems Landrover sponsored the video to get more sales on the new Defender.
No. Its a garbage
Nope- I much prefer the new one
an old Defender drove me across the Sahara in Mauritania and did things that should’ve been impossible when I was young. There’ll never be anything greater imo
Wow!!..I envy that experience.. I'm keeping my old trusty defender.
Yeah... A TOYOTA is going to be much better in almost every area.
@@MD-uu5nt I agree but my experience was with Defenders the year I was there and the year I was in Mali. Toyota’s were all over too but that Defender we used never broke down that I remember and that was two decades ago lol. But the engineering abilities of the locals to repair stuff efficiently without a steady influx of parts was amazing.
I still prefer the old one, it looks way better even if it isn't as capable,. It will also be more reliable. The old defender looks like it's ready to go off road, which is of course is. The new one looks more like a mother's shopping cart ready to pick up the groceries.
There are tricks to get through cross axel situations in a open diff. One being applying brake and acceleration at the same time. Transfers more power to the wheels that have traction. Basically manual traction control.
Which truck is better depends how and where you plan to take it. Old defender hands down for remote locations. Around town and some off road new model.
Personally classic defender for me.
Spoiler: the Defender won in all of the challenges.
New defender: I have got more tech to help off roading be safe and easy
Meanwhile Richard Hammond: Still manages to crash it
“Hammond you idiot”
which defender?
@@judeairy8485
HAMMOND!! YOU BLITHERING IDIOT!!!
CLARKSON!!!
Was anybody else angry when he kept his dirty foot on the seats and on the dashboard.
Well we would if it was the old one, who cares about the new one
Aditya kumar +1
@@harryluteshi7487 agreed the new one can go to hell
@@ensoelmeri3288 what??
🤯
It's nice to have something that can go anywhere with ease, but there's no thrill in that! Part of the enjoyment of off-roading is the adrenaline of "am I gonna make it through this obstacle", and the stories that come from failure or success. There's also the 'skills' vs 'computer' part of the enjoyment too.
this should be called: "new discovery VS real defender"
The new defender beats the old one in every category, except for the most important one - Desirability.
🙌
And durability. If you drive across sahara in the new defender it won't stand a chance . Even tho the old one is 20+ years I still respect it
not quite - axle articulation is crucial off-road, not displayed by the new def
Desirability .. modability, coolness, price, accessory range, roadside fixability, less junk to go wrong, community ...
@Seamus McShamish I didn't see anything make believe about the tests in this video. You sound like a salty fanboy for the old Defender who can't accept that the new one is better in virtually every way off-road. If you can't believe that, feel free to watch the video again for empirical evidence that this is the case, lol
it's incredible the new Defender managed to do half an hour of off-road driving without a check engine light popping out on the dashboard!
i wouldn't call that offroading
Really? Any road test -from anywhere in the world - so far suggest that there are issues with the engine lights popping out on the dashboard?
The TFL defender had a check emgine light after offroading.
The new thing broke down on the first day out!!!
Check out TFLnow to see how their new Defender is going in Colorado....you won't be surprised.😅
My mate recently had one at a hot air balloon show. The plastic cheq plate thats supposed to support a person standing on it cracked when he put his body weight on his hand, he snapped the plastic trim off the roof where a roof rack mounts, snapped a bunch of interior parts and clips, broke the ash tray, pushed on the rear lights and heard plastic cracking......he said the whole thing is made of cheap brittle plastic. Its all creaky.
The defender is my dream car, wasn't sure about the new design and seeing them side by side, Id still take the old one. Its a true landrover.
The old defender is still a good-looking car. I like it a lot, however; the new defender is amazing. I wasn't sure if there was one pilot of each vehicle, or did you drive both? I am just mesmerized by the power of the new defender and even more surprised of its price.
Considering there's around 70 years between the designs, it shows how incredible the old LandRover/Defender actually (still) is.
It was average 70 years ago, and slowly declined with age. That's what happens when you have a company unwilling to spend any money on R&D.
and way cooler
The old is 70 years old design only in looks. It has been technically completely revamped at least once and minor updates done countless times. Basically / technically / underpinnings wise the old defender is the is same car as Range Rover Classic, with a modern engine.
For example suspension, which is very important in off foading, was originally leaf springs based. After about 80's it has been coil springs and supported like in the first RR. Engines are modern ford, and land rover, etc.
Aesthetics: New Defender - 0 points. Old Defender - 10 points.
Rly? Why? (Just curious)
Yeah he can have all of the points with the new one. Why are all the girls hanging around the old one?
@@georgedowns4034 My eyes, they burn.
@@georhodiumgeo9827 Because they are most often driven my handsome men, women or Vera.
@@heathm5151 I own a 94 D90 so you have made me smile so big you can see all 3 of my teeth. LOL
The old Defender is actually a really sturdy and solid car
I have a 2009 Defender...it has traction control! It has been driven in every state and territory in Australia on and off-road. Love it but I will be buying the new one.
I’d still have the old defender it just looks incredible
Yep. There's also the benefit of simplicity. In an out-of-the way place like the Australian outback or the African bundu, I'd feel a lot more confident trying to keep an old Defender running (with a hammer and spanner) than trying to cope with the new one and a blinking light on the dashboard above the diagnostic port:
'Unspecified System Failure: Return to Main Dealer For Encryption Code Reset.'
Huh? 🤔
When your new one breaks down, you tow it with an old one.
awesome!
when the old one breaks down, you tow it with a toyota land cruiser
@@naufalkeandrerizqulloh3343 I also like the old Land Cruisers. Good cars.
That aint no shit. TFL tested one... they have been through 3 now all of them breaking down with electrical issues.
This is the subject skirted over by this review: when you do get a breakdown with the old one in the middle of nowhere, you can get out and fix it there without having to have a degree in electrical engineering!
An addendum: spoke with my brother this weekend and were discussing this very topic (he works for Jag/LR) and apparently the testing for reliability is incredibly rigorous, finding and solving any issues it might have had, making it as reliable as the old one! That said, if something does happen it will still be more difficult to fix in the middle of nowhere!
This challenge but with ROCK CRAWLING.
Thing is, what modifications can you make to the new defender? I kinda wanna install a ham radio to an old one and I dont see place to put it in the back of the new. Just worried about it, especially with a budget
The old Defender looks like the James Bond baddies arrive, the new one looks like a soccer mom's new Dacia..
I thought it u said it
You hit the nail on the head with that one
I had to stop halfway through. I live in the Amazon Forest, 70 to 95% of humidity, you don't want that electronic to fail big time in those harsh conditions when you're 200kms of muddy roads away from the first mechanic. The og Defender was meant to overcome that. The soul is lost.
Matt considered old one like as it was an Asian vehicle 😂
Come on, on uphill and the last one the old car should've had both diffs locked, that's why they're there.
Still the new one is very capable and honestly, off-road ground clearance and A/D/B angles are far superior to crossover angle. And also anyone experienced will agree that the tires make the biggest difference.
Agreed. And If the electronics in Land Rovers are reliable enough the new one should be a game changer ......... but its a Land Rover. If I buy one with the intention to do mud off-roading, I will visit a tire shop to bought a new set of off road tires ..... at least for the new Defender.
Be interesting to see how many new defenders are still on the road in 20yrs time. Because most of the old ones will be.
Anyway this looked like a show trying to promote the new defender by making the old defender look bad on purpose.
It was so obvious... They actually stuck an automatic driver in a manual car
Agree, you could easily devise some tests the old one could win involving more ground clearance and tow a trailer with at lest two tons on it - and some sheep in the back.
Then the price difference.. not going to appeal to the old core market who want a working vehicle to throw mucky stuff in the back.
Exactly
The driver aids are brilliant in a pinch when off-roading, but far from necessary when over-landing through Africa. It just gives more clueless wannabe's the motivation they need to get themselves and others into a lot of trouble.
@Martin Svensson does having the centre diff locked not mean that all four wheels should rotate at the same speed?
considering all the electronical helpers and sensors and double the HP, the old one still might be the one I would choose to drive through the jungle:D it just is more reliable. since we all know how reliable it is.
It might win today with all the electronics in perfect conditions, but as a mechanic friend was use to say : "The Def might not be the best 4 wheel drive in the world, but if something happens in the middle of a forest or a desert with a hammer, a screwdriver and a pair of pliers you can make a old DEF continue his journey, do the same with a new generation electronic 4x4 if you can"
the real defender is obviously better off road in the real world!
Hey Kevin Talbot I watch your videos!
Umm no. Did you watch the video?
As opposed to the simulation it was driven in in this video?
Tyres make a BIG difference
For off-roading you've got to expect the occasional knock which would you prefer to take off road
If Mat could actually drive the results may be different for the older vehicle. Plus, I think Mat is slightly bias towards the newer vehicle. Just saying ...
His driving is a joke! And his bias was obvious.
Old one wasn't allowed to lock the diffs.
Mat is a joke. Errrrr, I mean plonker! Just saying. 😋
@mrmarcus ! I can see where new technology can definitely help in traction and sensing wheel spin. However, when in a not very technical and you are in low range?? That sealed it.
If he didn't make the new defender look good, landrover wouldn't have paid him
But you can’t make the new one less ugly. It is just a new discovery.
Sense of beauty is a very subjective matter. Which simply means what you think matters NOTHING to other people.
Difference is that the old one will keep on going and the new one will break down after a couple of months 😂
The new defender is school run junk. Old defender every time.
You have found the truth.
Take off your nostalgia glasses and realise that its evolution and the defender needed it
@@killianhaugh3819 The defender is supposed to be farm utility vehicle, update it by all means. The new model is just a grocery getter and there are already dozens of those available so what's the point of producing another.
@@killianhaugh3819 People Just dont like the look of the new defender and how unreliable it is. If Land Rover pulled the Gwagen card and made the new generation identical to the old one no one would complain
Yes! some one understands!
Mat is like: It's not my car who cares if it breaks.
second test was unfair as the modern one has grooves in its downhill slowing it down, older had a normal decline down and less problems going down.
I bet the old Defender has and time and again proven what the new Defender doesn’t have…RELIABILITY!
Let's face it 99% of new defenders sold will never see off the road. So it will be a status symbol on the school run. 99% of owners will have no idea how to engage half of those features.
New defender: more technologically advanced, old defender: absolutely no advanced technology but way cooler and fun. I'd take the old one without doubt
me too, less things to go wrong too
Better looking too.
Mat doing his best Total Recall impression driving round the tree.
Here is a suggestion see which defender out of the old one or the new defender is better at controlling a trailer on the roads or off road or reversing into a carpark
The old Land Rover was 10 seconds slower cos Matt was the driver.
Exactly
I agree.. The Old Defender is and always will be The best
the car with the biggest turning circle lost its that simple and the old defender has bigger turning circle.
Where the old one wins: Reliability and value.
And if maintained properly it’ll still be running after 50 years.
That is the best looking old Defender I've ever seen. That was very well taken care of by a wealthy owner because older Defenders are hard to find parts for...in the US anyway....And they are expensive to maintain. In the US there is only a handful of specialists that can fix and get parts for old Defenders. I imagine it's much easier in the UK.
Parts and servicing are everywhere in the UK .
when you've bought a landrover defender the ONLY REAL TOOL is YOU.
That's not a proper offroad test. Offroading is about passing obstacles, not a race. Take them to mud, water and rocks and then we'll see.
And then stacked for new.
1) need to run visa versa also.
2) new some slots, clearly not as smooth as old's road.
3) know turning circle, so make sure tree circle need to be small to allow new to win.
4) 5)................
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@@gc2234 much better but I'm expecting a harder test.
Falls test , next time arrange somebody who's got terrain driving skills.
Yeah, this driver reminds me of the guy that gets stuck in a blanket on the Snuggie commercial, LOL I love it.
I don’t know anybody that wheels any Defender with the sway bars still engaged. I’m a Defender owner and I can tell you any time you mention wheeling there is a 20min conversation about wheel articulation headed your way.
I just hope they got paid for this.
It would only be fair if they got some people that know what they are doing
Agreed...
He was so biased. Even the wheel travel thing he tried to make it a draw 🤣
Which means, the old one takes a lot of skills and sweat of the driver whereas the new one does the job itself. Am I wrong?
The Old school vs The New school, which one is the best school??
Me: Hmmmm I’m off roadingggg right now.. L🤣L!!!
Hello, and you can please take the test Range Rover in the back of the L460 &L405&322. It's exciting to see how opportunities and technologies have changed.
This is not a test. Go off road, but this time for real.
Yeah... this course was pretty specifically designed to fail the old Defender and play to the strengths of the new one. LR probably had a hand in producing the video. There are plenty of videos out already of the new Defender getting stuck or not performing quite as well under real-world offroad conditions.
@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg have you driven it yet before you complain?
@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg if the old defender is a they say very capable. I’m sure it would go over everything. Just say that you hate how the new one looks.
Exactly. I have been competing across Salisbury Plain in a Series One against all sorts of such modern all wheel drives and the Series One just keeps going but over the course the electronics never survived.
@@Keoponloeu The new one is quite good at what it was built for, but it's just not going to be as good as the original in many ways. Nothing is going to 'go over everything' and both vehicles have strengths and weaknesses. It's just that this particular course was designed to make the new version look good, under the guise of a 'fair' test.
And as I said, there are already quite a few videos out already showing the new one having difficulty in places that older Defenders were getting through more easily. And there are some showing the new traction control system doing things an older vehicle couldn't do.
But you cannot say that the new Defender is as rugged and versatile as the old one, and those are qualities which count above all to many people.
How are all those fancy electronics going to do while fording water up to it's window line? In a few years when the warranty disappears, is your local mechanic going to be able to pull it apart and fix it no problem for reasonable money? And for that matter, what if you need to repair something in the field? Are you going to be able to get home with a basic tool kit?
The new Defender is a fine vehicle for people who want a fun offroad toy to play around with for a few years -- and that's fine. The old one is an investment that will continue to pay dividends well into the future. We can't pretend one is actually replacing the other though.
It's about long term ability, reliability and ruggedness not driving the latest iPhone, which WILL electronically fail.
Check out TFLnow to see how their new Defender is going in Colorado....you won't be surprised.😅
Respect to the yougin!!👍
Purist! Bury me in my 1987 90!!😁
You were having fun - and I definitely would have had fun as well - but I am not exactly sure flooring the pedal in quite easy conditions (and letting the new ones' electronics sort out the unelegant driving style) was the right thing to do an honest comparisson!
What makes offroading intresting is that you must use your head to come thru obstacles but with the new defender the car does it al for you and then what is so intresting about owning a new defender
I prefer the old defender and i own a old defender and will never get rid of it it is the best off road vechicle ever
I'd still take the old one against the new one, all day long.
Its instantly recognisable, quintessentially British and the best 4 x4 , not by far, but ever. In my opinion of course.
Everyone stay safe.
And yet everyone would still have the old one.
It's only u👍
@@saatviktyagi4800 yeah the like ratio proves your point!
And proof that the old Defender lovers can't be swayed and don't really care about the capabilities. Change is good.
@@charlesdickerson1858 this was light off roading... take both to some trails in australia and see which does better
@@nissanpatrol8950 Statistically speaking, If the new Defender did better in the "light off road" it will still do better in Australia. If the old Defender cannot handle the light off road setting then it won't do much better in tougher conditions (Without major upgrades of course).
I prefer my old defender, wonder whether he has ever driven one before. Looks like the new defender drives itself. I can also fill mine with horse feed etc and not worry. Cant say the same about the new fancy one with the big price.
Mine is 14 years old now so plenty life left in it.
Both are great and have their place, but the old one would be just as capable with lockers added to serve in place of the traction control on the new one.
The old looks like a military vehicle,and the new like barbie' s new toy!
I would want to see independent professional offroad drivers compare these two for a fair assessment i.e. the new at its best and the old at its best. What we are watching is technically a race where the new defender copied all its capabilities & lessons from the old defender and then automated them with the "gizmos" vs. the old defender with the raw un-automated tech - whose excellence/lack off depends on who is driving the machine.
true that. As far as reliability is concerned, I would pick the old defender any time. My old man had one and after 15 years it was working as new. It never once required any kind of repair, aside from basic maintenance (change of filters and such)
EXACTLY!
Great video. Thanks!
This helped me make my mind up
Demonstrating that the driver who can't drive looses.
I think what it shows is that the new Defender can still perform better than the old model without needing to be driven by an expert.
@@matthewp9015 instead, it requires on complex electronics, which is failing on brand new Defenders already, let alone ageing ones. Traction control is useless when it stops working, which it will.
agreed
exactly. I've had my licence literally a year and my clutch control is better than his. he's purposefully driving like a tool
@@fabianm2819 I have only drive like 10 times and my clutch control is better then him too 😂
new defender is too digital and posh for it's own good..a more "jimmy" approach would fit it it better. They completely missed the point why old defender was a legend.
Exactly- they tried to make it the most capable off roader, but that was never the whole point of a Defender even though it was very capable. The new one is too similar to a Disco in purpose.
Why do all the writers say, "something remotely close to what made the classic Defender great simply could not float in today's market. There are just too many restrictions and constraints in place regarding emissions and safety, with some of them responsible for taking the old Defender out of the picture in the first place"? This can't be true, at least in the US. I see brand new Jeep Wranglers of all types all over the place here, both as private and rental vehicles. They look more like my Series IIA than the latest Defender and don't appear to have any more in the way of "safety" than the original Defenders. Surely it's a specious argument, right?
@@kaliko70 The old Defender became illegal in the US in 1997 due to its poor safety- you don't want to be in a crash involving one, whether you're in the Defender or being hit by one. Most of the safety kit on the new one is mandatory in at least 1 of its major markets (I'm assuming Europe and US). As for all the other electronics, they can presumably mostly be turned off. That said, it could be more rugged (i.e. less luxurious) and manual...I suspect what most of us really wanted was a big brother to the new Jimny.
@@kaliko70 The simple truth is that Land Rover know they can make more money out of soccer mums than adventurers. Nothing to do with restrictions and constraints, that's just a convenient excuse.
@ Not entirely untrue...I don't want to get hit by any car. Old Defenders really don't do well in crashes though- they're fine if they just roll slowly while off road but if you're hitting a barrier at speed you're safer in a Smart car (but look stupid).
People smile when they see an old Defender.
No one smiles at the new one. They only laugh.
Interesting how the TD5 disco would compare as it has traction control but no central diff lock (well mine has)
The problem here is Mat trying to belittle Manuals and not going wild with offroaders.
The problem here is that any broadcaster that relies on the manufacturers to supply them with vehicles to test is never going to be in the least bit critical of their latest machine.
No, the problem here is Mat is a PILLOCK!
@@koitorob He’s probably just a normal guy trying to make a buck but everyone thinks they have to be ‘funny’ and ‘entertaining’. Top Gear has a lot to answer for.
Let’s all be honest, the old one is much nicer looking.
Yes
Tbh it looks like a train with wheels
No hate guys just my opinion
the old Defender looks like it means business.
When the electrical gremlins begin, those who need a defender will choose the defender. There's only one defender, the other is a different car.