"Batmans Friend Commissioner Gordon" is priceless. My niece once referred to the deathstar as "Darth Vaders Apartment Building" and I feel you have reached the same quality of joke as my 8 year old niece
This was by far the best of the movies in terms of pacing, budget, and effects. My favorite part of this is actually the arena entrance. Fun fact, all of the arena scenes were filmed in IMAX and when Katniss goes from the black tunnel to the arena it’s a seamless transition from wide screen to full screen IMAX. As an audience member, most people didn’t even pick it up.
That elevator moment with the transition and the rising music is one of my favourite pieces of cinema, it's so flawless and builds the suspense so well
The book does alot to explain stuff to explain why the areana was so advanced, basically the stuff you see in the hunger games is essentially just the declassified tech they already had, they also specifically wanted to kill all the previous Victor's that had public support
The point of Katniss not making any hard choices is an interesting one and touches on something in the books that I don’t think translated well to the movies. Katniss is a tool to all the political leaders around her and they rob her of agency repeatedly, they infact destroy her life for their political gain, resulting in the deaths of many people close to Katniss, leaving her shattered and barely able to function. Peeta also. The end of the book is actually really depressing, with her trying to piece together a life with Peeta, whom she doesnt really love but trauma bonded with, knowing she led a pointless rogue mission to try to kill Snow that accomplished nothing but the deaths of her friends and sister… It also ties into commentaries on using individuals as tools or symbols of rebellions.
@@septemberstarlight9362 thanks!! I actually hated the first movie but was convinced to try the books and actually found them surprisingly good. I think it can be easy to shit on the ending as dour but it fits the themes well. Surprisingly strong showing even if the third book goes off the rails abit.
@@jonsmith5058Despite me not liking the third book that much (from what I remember at least), I’ve always LOVED that ending twist with Coin. Makes complete sense thematically, especially with how much the rebellion cost her
@@jonsmith5058 of all the YA dystopia books that came out at the time, I think they're unquestionably the best. The characters are better, the love triangle is honestly not as annoying in book as it is in the movie, and the movies just do not get into the nuance there where a lot of it is what she's forced to do and her reactionary emotions. The politics are well done, the rebellion is well done. The "good guys" are flawed as hell. It isn't a clean, simple narrative. Katniss is forced into being a megaphone and doesn't have a lot of agency until she makes some of the HARDEST choices in book three, and she makes them hesitantly at first, some of them arguably very wrongly, and then that last one very definitively. She's an interesting character. So are Peeta and Gale in their own ways. In that genre, the characters and the books are totally working above average.
I think the rating system is a double edged sword for the tributes. Cause you want a high score for sponsers so you can live, but a high score also puts a target on your back so others will go for you right away - like they did Katniss
It's just for gambling right? Would be the same as having rankings on college football or basketball teams. Low ranked players have higher odds than high ranked players. With the way that gambling is going we all know that if they had a 80th Hunger Games it would have been sponsored by FanDuel.
@@Rougarou99 Yeah, when James and Mason suggested intentionally getting a low score I was like "That's literally what Johanna Mason did for her game" Her approach in hers was to pretend to be shy and meek and then when the game actually started she dropped it and just tore through the rest of the unsuspecting tributes. And part of what makes her interesting in this book/movie specifically is that approach only works once. So she has to actually do things like form alliances and stuff, because no one is underestimating her now.
@@iout No one predicted that the victors would forced to fight in another Game, though. Not to mention that her fighting ability likely wouldn't be effective against some of the Career Victors, who had spent decades training. That, along with her known animosity towards the Games and the Capitol, probably opened a window for the Rebellion to convince her to join their cause, if only for her survival.
Catching Fire was always my favorite book and movie of the series, mainly because I liked how a good portion of it is exploring the world and characters. Also because when we read through the books as teens, my favorite moment involving this franchise in general was when my sister burst into my room crying "THEY KILLED PEETA?!!" when she got to the part where he got fucked up by the forcefield. I straight up asked her if she even finished reading the page. She left and came back a few moments later saying "nevermind."
I was 14 so it very well could've gone right over my head but the ending on this one just confused me to the point of not enjoying the following movie then not ever seeing the 4th
I remember when I read the book, I was so excited and really wanted Haymitch to get drafted along with Katniss, instead of Peeta cause I found him kinda boring. I get why it had to be Peeta but still wonder at what could've been.
As a yoyoer I appreciate the idea of showing toy proficiency for a death game. They were originally weapons for hunting so it makes sense. Also that first clip is Zach Gormley, one of the best technical yoyoers on the planet and a good friend.
just found this channel a couple of days ago and i love your guys’ work. you’re both hilarious without being cheesy, i love the editing, i love green trivia, i love blue harvest, i love everything.
I appreciate you guys calling out the Susan Boyle hypocrisy. I distinctly recall getting shouted down for pointing out people were obsessing about her looks while saying “See?! You shouldn’t judge people by their looks!”
This is my favourite one, the premise is great to see a bunch of past champions and the twist with PSH and Jeffery Wright's characters was well executed with a great cliffhanger. I didn't expect that level of escalation and tension for this , maybe it was the difference in expectations but not even any of Harry Potter movies ever did it this well for me. I can't help but think PSH's character in this is kinda proto Stellan Skarsgard in Andor
honestly when i read the books as they came out i started noticing a big dip in quality after catching fire. the writing seemed like susan collins, no, i mean, susan boyle kinda cashed in the last two sequels after getting her payday. in fact, despite how poor i saw mockingjay novel, i thought the movie did a good job in adapting the half-ass attempt that was made with writing the book
I called my parole officer's parole officer and he said that currently, no where in the world is it still Tuesday, in any of the 24 time zones. And this video dropped local time at 10.30pm THURS, in Melbourne Australia, where James and Mason live. Making it Already Thurs is most of the world, except for some few islands in the pacific that were in the last hour or so, of Wed.
@@Dan_d00d The video seems to go live here on TH-cam (via link) for Big Sandwich subscribers early. So some comments (like mine) are from Weekly Wackadadoos who have watched it early. Can’t recommend Big Sandwich enough, heaps of good stuff there.
it's interesting James takes the position that there's not enough murder. That is sort of the idea; Snow knows that he can't continue the Hunger Games as is because the districts are fed up with killing each other. So the 75th Games were meant to be a reminder that the Capital is still in charge and can kill or control whoever they want, regardless of how many alliances they form and how much they fight. The only mistake Snow made was to think that he could keep the rebellion OUTside the Capital, when Plutarch was right under his nose. All that to say, James doesn't care about the story he just wants to watch kids violently murder each other because he's a sick bloke am I right
It just wasn't that good of a plan, like, the original 'you will betray and kill each other because we say so' is a much scarier and relevant concept than 'we'll make a big wave and release the cyber apes'.
He’s not a sick bloke, he’s a manly man from the manosphere, get it right. He’s probably screwing your gf and your Mum right now cause he’s taller than you.
@@boheyothis is the correct take. It’s weaker conceptually because it starts the trend, completely greatly by the following movies, of the main character having basically no agency and being on a special protected track the entire time. I mean yes, she’s still a cool and tough bow girl, but she’s not involved at all in this massive conspiracy that also happens to revolve entirely around her. But then when the apparently super important objective of her involvement is secured… she films some advertisements and isn’t allowed to actually be involved in anything important. She doesn’t get to make a single choice until literally like the very end of the final movie. In the other hand, all the arena machinations are fun, more fun than watching her figure out how to start a fire or whatever, so the good part of the series, the fun and horrifying battle royale action, is better than ever. Which is what’s more important since it’s what’s good about the movies anyway.
@boheyo I would agree but this doesn’t make much since since the supposed scarier “you will betray and kill each other” failed when katniss and peeta refused to do so, proving the capital wasn’t as powerful. “We’re going to act like you can win this but actually you’re all going to die” is much scarier. Not to mention, all of it was a ruse from Plutarch because he rigged it
@@adamseidel9780 Katniss being robbed of her agency is the point. Both sides in the story are happy to use her as a tool for their own agendas and basically ruining her entire life. Jennifer Lawrence couldn't really represent this, but Katniss is 16 in the first Games and 17 in the second. She is at most 18 by the time the revolution ends. She is a child being used as a pawn by all the adults around her only to lose the people closest to her repeatedly. This deliberately isn't a story about a "chosen one" doing all the big plot action because that's not how revolutions work in real life. It is always collective, and THG is one of the few series that actually shows that. Just Write did a great video on this topic.
Gale is definitely more interesting in the books, he's calculating and pragmatic and sees himself as the patriarch of Katniss' family since her father died. As the books go on, he becomes more ruthless and cold, which results in his plan of using bombs hidden inside Sponsor packages dropped on children in an evacuation zone, and then detonate a 2nd explosive to kill the medics and people who rush in to provide aid after the first explosions and make it look like the Capitol had launched the attack, which gets Prim killed. Instead they just made him a bland love triangle prettyboy to gaslight Katniss all movie long for her trauma
But minus knowing about his family history with his father, doesn’t all that happen in the movies as well? With him becoming more ruthless and the bombs?
It’s been super interesting watching this video series evolve over the years from Never Go Back to Caravan of Garbage to 2 Cool Guys Who Like Movies to Manosphere Guys. Can’t wait to see what they become next!
The flames that engulf Katniss and Peta as part of their display in the pre-games promotion were originally portrayed as a much hotter, and thus more azure hue of flame; whilst the idea sounded good on paper, in execution it blended a little too much into their costumes, and so the digital artists had to shift the flames down a few kelvins - the next VFX pitch for this sequence hence had the working title of Blue Harvest.
There was also a scene where the characters’ clothes catch fire for real. In their desperation they recall the safe word that they were taught by the organisers to say in an emergency: “Rodney” (the name of one of the first Hunger Games champions). So the sequence involved both Katniss and Peeta repeatedly yelling “Rodney” before expiring. The studios decided that audiences weren’t ready for that yet, and cut the scene.
Originally the fire in the logo was going to be blue to indicate that it’s the hottest part of the fire. But executives were worried that people would be confused by that and think it was water. This led to them dropping the code name Blue Harvest in favor of Orange Harvest.
Catching Fire is actually one of my favorite movies ever. It's brilliant on so many levels and one of my favorite layers to this is how people who enjoyed the first movie are more or less turned into the capitol consumerists by their love of watching people die.
This movie was so in line with the books, I remember watching it and going omg that’s exactly how I pictured the arena. By far the best out of them all. I feel that the last movie didn’t really drive home what katnis had been through, without the narration of katnis it gets lost.
I think the most insightful comment I can make about this book (and I still feel kinda about this despite the fact the authour made a lot of money and I genuinely like the first book) is that I very quickly figured they had a strong idea for book one and a vague idea for sequels.
Oh no, I've watched more of the video and reached the bit where they make this exact point. I'm not sure if this increases or decreases the validity of this comment.
I disagree that Katniss didn't make difficult choices. She struggles with splitting up early from her allies to survive with Peeta several times. She almost runs away, but then realizes everyone in District 12 and other Districts are still in danger. She regrets not running away when she learns she has to go back to the games. She gives a heartfelt speech about Rue when tensions are high and shes told to follow the script. Everyone around her lying makes her seem like a less active character though
Met big Warrick on the GC when the fam and I were out fishing in our tinnie about 15 years ago. His jetski died about 30 metres away from us, he called out for a bit of a hand, so we motored over to him and helped get his jetski back to the jetty. We hung around and had a good yarn with him for a half an hour or so while he waited for whoever had the trailer, by the end of the convo it felt like wed known him for years. Was really down to earth and super appreciative for the help. He's a champion of a bloke
16:16 Well the Quarter Quell isnt usually composed of previous winners, you're right it was a ploy. But they did have something special. If I recall correctly, the 50th HG had TWICE as many tributes per district. Which makes Haymitch's victory even more impressive because he had a 1 in 48 chance of winning instead of the usual 24. Edit: Dang I wrote that before I continued with the video and you did mention it LMAO
There are a lot of good actors in this series, but they really struck gold with Jennifer Lawrence. If Catniss were played by a more restrained actress it just wouldn't be the same.
I'm from the U.S. and I used to watch Beyond 2000 when I was a kid on Discovery Channel. They had a car that could turn into the door for your house. Outrageous!!!
This is my favorite hunger games movie I think, emotionally and suspense wise this one gets it all right I connected with this one, the most as a film growing up
I'm happy the editor finally admits that he has to google all of the random Australian shit that nobody understands other than James, Mason and anybody from Australia
Loved these books and movies back in the day. I had a teacher in middle school that made everyone read the first book and we all loved it so I read the other two and loved them as well. Then the movies were announced. The first movie came out during my freshman year of high school and since there were 4 and each one came out one year apart and there are 4 years pc high school that meant I had a yearly tradition in high school. I still love the whole of the last movie and book (the second to last movie is good but not much happens because they split a story in two). Really love the part right after they fight the zombies. I love the idea of fighting an unspeakable horror, escaping, and then ending up having to fight something more normal (peacekeepers). It’s like that section of half life two right after you escape ravenholm and you have to defeat the snipers posted there to contain the zombies
McDonald's does that orange drink thing in the US too. They'd give them to schools, the teachers would water them down and call it "orange juice" and I'd hate it every time.
That Woody/Liam moment ist priceless! When I did my review on my German channel, I literally compared CATCHING FIRE to EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. I am not taking it back. This movie is fucking amazing. The book is way better, more fleshed out and, Jesus, is it brutal.
Big props to Ben and Laurence for maintaining the IMAX footage as well as editing in the IMAX transition shot in the part with Lenny Kravitz. Great attention to detail.
10:25 Weirdly, I saw Beyond 2000 when I was growing up in Jordan in the 90s, it was a real nostalgia shock seeing the robot push the girl on the swing just now!
I have listened and followed and loved these gentlemen for going on...five years? Six, maybe? Regardless, 14:52 is the hardest I've laughed in a long, LONG time. Superb work James and Maso and Lawrence, who I assume edited this episode. It's just got that Lawrence stank all over it. Gorgeous.
Ya know, I don't even like Hunger Games very much, but if really bugs me when people who hate it use the complaint of "They barely even do any hunger games!" Like, it's clearly not the entire point of the series. It was the catalyst that started everything off and most important in the first book, abs so after the term became the name of the franchise. How many Halo games have nothing to do with the Halo? I don't hear people bitch about that.
Catching Fire almost has no business being as good as it is - it's everything I think the first movie should have been, and none of the other movies come close to reaching its heights. In a series of mostly 5 to 6/10 movies, Catching Fire is an honest 9 or a 10 from me.
"A lot about the movie doesn't make sense but it's still pretty well executed...oh this reminds me of this local Australian thing" makes me wonder a lot about how Australia works.
god I had such a pavlovian response to seeing Warrick Capper. I shouted "CAPPA"!!! at 1am alone in my appointment and afterwards hoped to hell that my neighbours didn't hear me. 2000s Australian media did this to me.
"Batmans Friend Commissioner Gordon" is priceless. My niece once referred to the deathstar as "Darth Vaders Apartment Building" and I feel you have reached the same quality of joke as my 8 year old niece
Bro just imagine her comedic powers when she turns 9
Reminds me of that mobile game Tiny Deathstar that essentially was this.
Imagine Vader calling maintenance because his sink is broken.
This was by far the best of the movies in terms of pacing, budget, and effects. My favorite part of this is actually the arena entrance. Fun fact, all of the arena scenes were filmed in IMAX and when Katniss goes from the black tunnel to the arena it’s a seamless transition from wide screen to full screen IMAX. As an audience member, most people didn’t even pick it up.
That elevator moment with the transition and the rising music is one of my favourite pieces of cinema, it's so flawless and builds the suspense so well
It's also the best book of the series
I love when the aspect ratio in movies changes mid scene. And it’s so effective in this one it’s amazing
So glad you picked that up too!! I'll never forget that, such an amazing transition.
The impact of Katniss watching Cinna beaten and taken off to his death, and then having to immediately compose herself for the games was crazy
James knows everything about hair and wigs, and Mason knows everything about clothes. Together, they can join forces to become one stylist.
You're giving me flashbacks to Maso's james bond suit rants
Just one
Like, two guys in a trenchcoat?
Very “metro” men 🕺🏻
They're the style benders, we need two more and then an Avatar
The book does alot to explain stuff to explain why the areana was so advanced, basically the stuff you see in the hunger games is essentially just the declassified tech they already had, they also specifically wanted to kill all the previous Victor's that had public support
Source?
@@calebford6318 the books
@@calebford6318 the source is named in the first two words of the comment lmao
@@boccciLiterally, it's right there! 😂
@@calebford6318Can't even read this marvel fan
"I'm loving Jenna Malone as this naked weirdo freak" is a quality quote in review of the Catching Fire movie
The point of Katniss not making any hard choices is an interesting one and touches on something in the books that I don’t think translated well to the movies.
Katniss is a tool to all the political leaders around her and they rob her of agency repeatedly, they infact destroy her life for their political gain, resulting in the deaths of many people close to Katniss, leaving her shattered and barely able to function. Peeta also.
The end of the book is actually really depressing, with her trying to piece together a life with Peeta, whom she doesnt really love but trauma bonded with, knowing she led a pointless rogue mission to try to kill Snow that accomplished nothing but the deaths of her friends and sister…
It also ties into commentaries on using individuals as tools or symbols of rebellions.
amazing comment, been so many years since i've read them that i honestly kinda forgot about the trauma bond relationship with peeta.
@@septemberstarlight9362 thanks!!
I actually hated the first movie but was convinced to try the books and actually found them surprisingly good.
I think it can be easy to shit on the ending as dour but it fits the themes well. Surprisingly strong showing even if the third book goes off the rails abit.
@@jonsmith5058Despite me not liking the third book that much (from what I remember at least), I’ve always LOVED that ending twist with Coin. Makes complete sense thematically, especially with how much the rebellion cost her
"doesn't really love"
Okay. Sounds like a distinction without a difference.
@@jonsmith5058 of all the YA dystopia books that came out at the time, I think they're unquestionably the best. The characters are better, the love triangle is honestly not as annoying in book as it is in the movie, and the movies just do not get into the nuance there where a lot of it is what she's forced to do and her reactionary emotions. The politics are well done, the rebellion is well done. The "good guys" are flawed as hell. It isn't a clean, simple narrative. Katniss is forced into being a megaphone and doesn't have a lot of agency until she makes some of the HARDEST choices in book three, and she makes them hesitantly at first, some of them arguably very wrongly, and then that last one very definitively. She's an interesting character. So are Peeta and Gale in their own ways. In that genre, the characters and the books are totally working above average.
I think the rating system is a double edged sword for the tributes. Cause you want a high score for sponsers so you can live, but a high score also puts a target on your back so others will go for you right away - like they did Katniss
It's just for gambling right? Would be the same as having rankings on college football or basketball teams. Low ranked players have higher odds than high ranked players. With the way that gambling is going we all know that if they had a 80th Hunger Games it would have been sponsored by FanDuel.
And I think the district 7 girl in this one originally used the strategy of doing nothing to get a low rating to avoid putting a target on her back.
@@Rougarou99
Yeah, when James and Mason suggested intentionally getting a low score I was like "That's literally what Johanna Mason did for her game"
Her approach in hers was to pretend to be shy and meek and then when the game actually started she dropped it and just tore through the rest of the unsuspecting tributes.
And part of what makes her interesting in this book/movie specifically is that approach only works once. So she has to actually do things like form alliances and stuff, because no one is underestimating her now.
@@iout No one predicted that the victors would forced to fight in another Game, though. Not to mention that her fighting ability likely wouldn't be effective against some of the Career Victors, who had spent decades training.
That, along with her known animosity towards the Games and the Capitol, probably opened a window for the Rebellion to convince her to join their cause, if only for her survival.
Catching Fire was always my favorite book and movie of the series, mainly because I liked how a good portion of it is exploring the world and characters. Also because when we read through the books as teens, my favorite moment involving this franchise in general was when my sister burst into my room crying "THEY KILLED PEETA?!!" when she got to the part where he got fucked up by the forcefield. I straight up asked her if she even finished reading the page. She left and came back a few moments later saying "nevermind."
Actually very surprised y’all like this one less than the original. Catching fire was always the peak to me
Yeah weird, I feel like this is the best one
Same. I think this one is far and away the best of the franchise.
I also like this one the most
I was 14 so it very well could've gone right over my head but the ending on this one just confused me to the point of not enjoying the following movie then not ever seeing the 4th
Idk I just wasnt sold on turning a big ol game of stabby stab punch on into a political story, very prequel energy it has.
If I was in this universe I would be so hyped for the 75th Hunger Games. I mean all these absolute legends returning.
I remember when I read the book, I was so excited and really wanted Haymitch to get drafted along with Katniss, instead of Peeta cause I found him kinda boring. I get why it had to be Peeta but still wonder at what could've been.
Fan service with all the Cameos from former champions, nostalgia bait😂😂
The hunger Games: No Way Home
@@MetaKnight911I felt the same.
The capitol definitely thought the 75h was the best season
As a yoyoer I appreciate the idea of showing toy proficiency for a death game. They were originally weapons for hunting so it makes sense. Also that first clip is Zach Gormley, one of the best technical yoyoers on the planet and a good friend.
But he just kept yoing
Weird flex but ok
I love that even James and Mason couldn't say anything bad about Philip Seymour Hoffman cause he's just so good in the film. Such a terrific actor.
just found this channel a couple of days ago and i love your guys’ work. you’re both hilarious without being cheesy, i love the editing, i love green trivia, i love blue harvest, i love everything.
Welcome
Welcome aboard!
I appreciate you guys calling out the Susan Boyle hypocrisy. I distinctly recall getting shouted down for pointing out people were obsessing about her looks while saying “See?! You shouldn’t judge people by their looks!”
Susan Boyle got a rough hand in the news for sure. Every article was just "Wow this woman is UGLY! but listen to that voice!"
This is my favourite one, the premise is great to see a bunch of past champions and the twist with PSH and Jeffery Wright's characters was well executed with a great cliffhanger.
I didn't expect that level of escalation and tension for this , maybe it was the difference in expectations but not even any of Harry Potter movies ever did it this well for me.
I can't help but think PSH's character in this is kinda proto Stellan Skarsgard in Andor
honestly when i read the books as they came out i started noticing a big dip in quality after catching fire. the writing seemed like susan collins, no, i mean, susan boyle kinda cashed in the last two sequels after getting her payday. in fact, despite how poor i saw mockingjay novel, i thought the movie did a good job in adapting the half-ass attempt that was made with writing the book
PSH’s death is such a huge loss for movies. He was so great
An early release on a TUESDAY? This is insane. I just spoke to my family about it and they’re excited too.
I called my parole officer and he’s pretty stoked about it too.
I called my parole officer's parole officer and he said that currently, no where in the world is it still Tuesday, in any of the 24 time zones.
And this video dropped local time at 10.30pm THURS, in Melbourne Australia, where James and Mason live.
Making it Already Thurs is most of the world, except for some few islands in the pacific that were in the last hour or so, of Wed.
@@Dan_d00d may I interest you in a Big Sandwich?
@@jaraket ok thats fair. But isnt that on a platform that isnt here on youtube?
@@Dan_d00d The video seems to go live here on TH-cam (via link) for Big Sandwich subscribers early. So some comments (like mine) are from Weekly Wackadadoos who have watched it early. Can’t recommend Big Sandwich enough, heaps of good stuff there.
Just dying at the thought of Mason yelling at Katniss "FILLING YOUR POCKETS WITH GRAIN YOU BOUGIE PRICK!"
it's interesting James takes the position that there's not enough murder. That is sort of the idea; Snow knows that he can't continue the Hunger Games as is because the districts are fed up with killing each other. So the 75th Games were meant to be a reminder that the Capital is still in charge and can kill or control whoever they want, regardless of how many alliances they form and how much they fight. The only mistake Snow made was to think that he could keep the rebellion OUTside the Capital, when Plutarch was right under his nose.
All that to say, James doesn't care about the story he just wants to watch kids violently murder each other because he's a sick bloke am I right
It just wasn't that good of a plan, like, the original 'you will betray and kill each other because we say so' is a much scarier and relevant concept than 'we'll make a big wave and release the cyber apes'.
He’s not a sick bloke, he’s a manly man from the manosphere, get it right.
He’s probably screwing your gf and your Mum right now cause he’s taller than you.
@@boheyothis is the correct take.
It’s weaker conceptually because it starts the trend, completely greatly by the following movies, of the main character having basically no agency and being on a special protected track the entire time. I mean yes, she’s still a cool and tough bow girl, but she’s not involved at all in this massive conspiracy that also happens to revolve entirely around her. But then when the apparently super important objective of her involvement is secured… she films some advertisements and isn’t allowed to actually be involved in anything important. She doesn’t get to make a single choice until literally like the very end of the final movie.
In the other hand, all the arena machinations are fun, more fun than watching her figure out how to start a fire or whatever, so the good part of the series, the fun and horrifying battle royale action, is better than ever. Which is what’s more important since it’s what’s good about the movies anyway.
@boheyo I would agree but this doesn’t make much since since the supposed scarier “you will betray and kill each other” failed when katniss and peeta refused to do so, proving the capital wasn’t as powerful. “We’re going to act like you can win this but actually you’re all going to die” is much scarier. Not to mention, all of it was a ruse from Plutarch because he rigged it
@@adamseidel9780 Katniss being robbed of her agency is the point. Both sides in the story are happy to use her as a tool for their own agendas and basically ruining her entire life. Jennifer Lawrence couldn't really represent this, but Katniss is 16 in the first Games and 17 in the second. She is at most 18 by the time the revolution ends. She is a child being used as a pawn by all the adults around her only to lose the people closest to her repeatedly. This deliberately isn't a story about a "chosen one" doing all the big plot action because that's not how revolutions work in real life. It is always collective, and THG is one of the few series that actually shows that. Just Write did a great video on this topic.
10:23 I'm so old, I remember when 'Beyond 2000' was called 'Towards 2000' on the ABC. Loved that show.
Looking forward to the Big Sandwich Guide to Drop Shipping to accompany the manosphere rebrand.
Drop Shipping, is this a play in the stupid Drop Bears prank... ugh
"That's a local reference!" "Maybe leave him alone" "We're cool guys" So much gold.
"I don't think anybody should get paid anything"
as a melbourne fan of these 2 cool guys who love movies/manosphere guys, the local references are so fucking funny
The studio left money on the table by not calling the movie Hunger Games: Second Helping
Gale is definitely more interesting in the books, he's calculating and pragmatic and sees himself as the patriarch of Katniss' family since her father died. As the books go on, he becomes more ruthless and cold, which results in his plan of using bombs hidden inside Sponsor packages dropped on children in an evacuation zone, and then detonate a 2nd explosive to kill the medics and people who rush in to provide aid after the first explosions and make it look like the Capitol had launched the attack, which gets Prim killed.
Instead they just made him a bland love triangle prettyboy to gaslight Katniss all movie long for her trauma
But minus knowing about his family history with his father, doesn’t all that happen in the movies as well? With him becoming more ruthless and the bombs?
It’s been super interesting watching this video series evolve over the years from Never Go Back to Caravan of Garbage to 2 Cool Guys Who Like Movies to Manosphere Guys. Can’t wait to see what they become next!
The flames that engulf Katniss and Peta as part of their display in the pre-games promotion were originally portrayed as a much hotter, and thus more azure hue of flame; whilst the idea sounded good on paper, in execution it blended a little too much into their costumes, and so the digital artists had to shift the flames down a few kelvins - the next VFX pitch for this sequence hence had the working title of Blue Harvest.
I will pay the science based creativity
I usually catch these around halfway through the comment
Not this time, well done
There was also a scene where the characters’ clothes catch fire for real. In their desperation they recall the safe word that they were taught by the organisers to say in an emergency: “Rodney” (the name of one of the first Hunger Games champions). So the sequence involved both Katniss and Peeta repeatedly yelling “Rodney” before expiring. The studios decided that audiences weren’t ready for that yet, and cut the scene.
funnily enough this was actually the working title for the first star wars movie ! just a lil fun fact that people don't know :)
Originally the fire in the logo was going to be blue to indicate that it’s the hottest part of the fire. But executives were worried that people would be confused by that and think it was water.
This led to them dropping the code name Blue Harvest in favor of Orange Harvest.
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Bloody gotem
Ya got me with that one
You mothafucka I love you
Thank you both for bringing light and laughter into our lives every week🩵
I read the books pretty young and i always found haymitchs story so sad he had too witness double the amount of death everyone else had to 😢
I loved the sheer volume of Australian references in this video.
Catching Fire is actually one of my favorite movies ever. It's brilliant on so many levels and one of my favorite layers to this is how people who enjoyed the first movie are more or less turned into the capitol consumerists by their love of watching people die.
I'm actually shocked you guys like this one less than the original. This is the peak of the series IMO in both movie and book form
Some of my favourite moments from this series are the lads speaking so joyfully about some of the absurdness of Australian culture 😂
Man I'm feeling SEEN with these local references! Sensational!! (Big respect to Laurence!)
These two (along w ben and lawrence ofc), have gotten me thru a lot just by posting to this channel. Means the world, thanks for another upload.
The editing for this video is superb as always
Woody was so baked during that interview lmfao.
This is my favorite Hunger Games movie, great action and suspense
This movie was so in line with the books, I remember watching it and going omg that’s exactly how I pictured the arena.
By far the best out of them all. I feel that the last movie didn’t really drive home what katnis had been through, without the narration of katnis it gets lost.
I think the most insightful comment I can make about this book (and I still feel kinda about this despite the fact the authour made a lot of money and I genuinely like the first book) is that I very quickly figured they had a strong idea for book one and a vague idea for sequels.
Oh no, I've watched more of the video and reached the bit where they make this exact point. I'm not sure if this increases or decreases the validity of this comment.
It’s too late to backpedal, I’m mad you thought the thing that we thought
@@mrsundaymovies is this the point where we nod dramatically at other and turn away?
YES
@@mattball8622 *Linkin Park’s What I’ve Done starts playing over the credits*
Came for the Caravan of Garbage but stayed for The two cool guys who love movies.
And left with Manosphere guys
I disagree that Katniss didn't make difficult choices. She struggles with splitting up early from her allies to survive with Peeta several times. She almost runs away, but then realizes everyone in District 12 and other Districts are still in danger. She regrets not running away when she learns she has to go back to the games. She gives a heartfelt speech about Rue when tensions are high and shes told to follow the script. Everyone around her lying makes her seem like a less active character though
10:45 That "Right?!" deserved a zoom cut.
BEN AND LAURENCE FLASHING ON AT 18:30 KILLED ME HAHAHA
Met big Warrick on the GC when the fam and I were out fishing in our tinnie about 15 years ago. His jetski died about 30 metres away from us, he called out for a bit of a hand, so we motored over to him and helped get his jetski back to the jetty. We hung around and had a good yarn with him for a half an hour or so while he waited for whoever had the trailer, by the end of the convo it felt like wed known him for years. Was really down to earth and super appreciative for the help. He's a champion of a bloke
That Warwick Capper mention is platinum level, much like his flowing mane when taking a screamer. Chefs Kiss fellas.
These 2 guys are so cool and I love when they talk about movies.
I gotta say, as someone who is not an Australian local I enjoyed all of the references for local Australians .
This one is the only one I've seen aaaaand I don't remember anything about it, but of all the 4 this one is definitely one of them
I maintain this is the best Hunger Games movie by far
100% if falls off a cliff for the last two movies
The quality of the movies actually match their respective books. This is the best one in both mediums
Absolutely
16:16 Well the Quarter Quell isnt usually composed of previous winners, you're right it was a ploy. But they did have something special. If I recall correctly, the 50th HG had TWICE as many tributes per district. Which makes Haymitch's victory even more impressive because he had a 1 in 48 chance of winning instead of the usual 24.
Edit: Dang I wrote that before I continued with the video and you did mention it LMAO
My Thursday ritual has become get off work, cash my check, grab some breakfast and watch the new caravan of garbage. Nothing wrong with that
I love that you guys kept the blood curdling screams of death in haha. With you guys bantering being interrupted by them, it's hilarious
There are a lot of good actors in this series, but they really struck gold with Jennifer Lawrence. If Catniss were played by a more restrained actress it just wouldn't be the same.
I never thought I’d be exposed to so much local Australian culture in a video commentary about the 2nd Hunger games
The Helmsworths are Australian treasures who you should cherish !
Catniss kills in this flick. Phillip Seymour Hoffman was a
Legend.
I honestly love all these films, the mockingjay 2 parter us honestly underrated to me, hope y'all enjoy them!
Yaa, I loved the books and movies as the came out cause I was the target audience, but I'm loving it even more on my recent watch for these videos
I'm from the U.S. and I used to watch Beyond 2000 when I was a kid on Discovery Channel. They had a car that could turn into the door for your house. Outrageous!!!
This is the best one of the four, change my mind
18:32 caught me off guard. it's nice that ben & laurence are doing the edit just for the exposure.
Really looking forward to The Hunger Games: Dirty Pigeon part 1.
3:58 cackling at that unexpected "Nonce!" well played
This is my favorite hunger games movie I think, emotionally and suspense wise this one gets it all right I connected with this one, the most as a film growing up
This movie would've been better if katniss was weighed down by all the grains she stuffed in her pocket while swimming
Just listened to the mug off episode with Mason and it was fantastic. Love you boys keep up the good work.
18:31 Made me chortle out loud at work! Great work editors, ya'll deserve all of James' money
This has gotta be one of the most Australian reviews of Hunger Games 2 I’ve ever seen
I'm happy the editor finally admits that he has to google all of the random Australian shit that nobody understands other than James, Mason and anybody from Australia
The trivia is WHAT? 😳😳😳 15:18
Loved these books and movies back in the day. I had a teacher in middle school that made everyone read the first book and we all loved it so I read the other two and loved them as well. Then the movies were announced. The first movie came out during my freshman year of high school and since there were 4 and each one came out one year apart and there are 4 years pc high school that meant I had a yearly tradition in high school. I still love the whole of the last movie and book (the second to last movie is good but not much happens because they split a story in two). Really love the part right after they fight the zombies. I love the idea of fighting an unspeakable horror, escaping, and then ending up having to fight something more normal (peacekeepers). It’s like that section of half life two right after you escape ravenholm and you have to defeat the snipers posted there to contain the zombies
Trapped in an battle arena with Josh Hutcherson
Jenny Nicholson flashbacks
McDonald's does that orange drink thing in the US too. They'd give them to schools, the teachers would water them down and call it "orange juice" and I'd hate it every time.
Welcome to Two dudes reviewing movies, one looks like a goat and the other one like a pig falling down a hill, the show, it's good
That Woody/Liam moment ist priceless!
When I did my review on my German channel, I literally compared CATCHING FIRE to EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. I am not taking it back. This movie is fucking amazing. The book is way better, more fleshed out and, Jesus, is it brutal.
Big props to Ben and Laurence for maintaining the IMAX footage as well as editing in the IMAX transition shot in the part with Lenny Kravitz.
Great attention to detail.
10:25 Weirdly, I saw Beyond 2000 when I was growing up in Jordan in the 90s, it was a real nostalgia shock seeing the robot push the girl on the swing just now!
I have listened and followed and loved these gentlemen for going on...five years? Six, maybe? Regardless, 14:52 is the hardest I've laughed in a long, LONG time.
Superb work James and Maso and Lawrence, who I assume edited this episode.
It's just got that Lawrence stank all over it. Gorgeous.
Oop, I take it back, 18:30. What a masterclass of editing.
Very much appreciate it mate! The editing certainly does a lot of the heavy lifting
HELLO PEOPLE WHO ARE BIG SANDWICHES
I just made some sick-ass chopped cheesi over the weekend. I think this is where I belong...
yes me i am big sandwich whats up boss
It is I, big sandwich
Big hello, fellow sandwich
HELLO!!!
Ya know, I don't even like Hunger Games very much, but if really bugs me when people who hate it use the complaint of "They barely even do any hunger games!" Like, it's clearly not the entire point of the series. It was the catalyst that started everything off and most important in the first book, abs so after the term became the name of the franchise.
How many Halo games have nothing to do with the Halo? I don't hear people bitch about that.
“Apologize for party rocking tour.” What a reference
Ikr! That took me back a decade
Best Of The Franchise with the best story and pace. Lawrence deserved a Oscar nomination
Catching Fire almost has no business being as good as it is - it's everything I think the first movie should have been, and none of the other movies come close to reaching its heights. In a series of mostly 5 to 6/10 movies, Catching Fire is an honest 9 or a 10 from me.
Yep
This is making me remember the hunger games/ doctor who eps on the end of the year 🥹
Happy 10 years of pod boys! 😊🎉
I searched "Caravan Catching Fire" but I guess this is ok too.
Is it funnier if you made that up, or funnier if it’s true? I can’t decide
the manosphericality was so unexpected but it's also so on brand
Catching Fire was obviously the best of all four films and the books too!
man this new series is great. hope “2 cool guys talk about movies” makes it past the pilot stage 🙏
Love when the editors put their photos in the videos ❤
I thought I was the last person to use 'party-rock' as a verb unironically!
Damn, this needed to be longer...
It was over so quick
"A lot about the movie doesn't make sense but it's still pretty well executed...oh this reminds me of this local Australian thing" makes me wonder a lot about how Australia works.
Don't think I've ever seen this channel before but I'm loving it.
these guys are like Australian Game Grumps for movies
god I had such a pavlovian response to seeing Warrick Capper. I shouted "CAPPA"!!! at 1am alone in my appointment and afterwards hoped to hell that my neighbours didn't hear me. 2000s Australian media did this to me.
this might be my favourite episode of COG of all time
"Great. I'm taking my shoes off and I'm getting drunk for the next 25 years" 😂
My favorite reference: Beyond 2000 is all boat cars… I am in US and this show was my jam… and it was so true!!
I was 'Hungry' for a rebranding. So thanks and let the 'Games' begin.
Wooooo, im Catching Fire
Flashing a picture of the editor's when James says no one should get paid was an incredibly funny bit.
18:18 god dammm thats a payrise 😅 love ben and Laurence showing up, petition for the boys to get paid
This video was 🔥 from start to finish