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The Perfect Cruelty of the Hunger Games

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  • these books and movies actually move me to tears
    immeasurable thank you to the people who helped me get this out after a long inadvertent hiatus. especially HUGE thanks to shaianne and bee for proofreading/watching and talking through multiple drafts. thank u also rachael, joe, and winnie for encouragement and support
    the anti-lord of the flies-the tongan castaways www.desertislandsurvival.com/...
    patreon / fivebyfivetakes
    0:00 intro
    3:00 THE DISTRICTS
    6:11 volunteer system
    8:42 spectacle
    11:18 victors
    14:30 careers
    16:27 THE CAPITOL
    22:42 sponsorships and ownership
    24:15 the love story
    26:00 HOW IT FALLS APART
    28:52 the dandelion in the spring
    30:40 CONCLUSION: gaul and human nature
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  • @5x5Takes
    @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +5509

    *note:
    I'm aware I misspoke saying the number of children--it is 23, two from each district minus one victor. oops!

    • @ashermack2543
      @ashermack2543 หลายเดือนก่อน +124

      Its cool! :) I am really impressed by how well thought out and written this is, as someone who wants to make videos similar to this in the future do you mind me asking how you write for such a long and analytical video?

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +73

      @@ashermack2543 it really depends. do you have a specific question i can answer for you? :)

    • @ashermack2543
      @ashermack2543 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      @@5x5Takes Thank you! I suppose I don't have a shortage of ideas but I was wondering if there's a certain process you have in terms of the organization of information. I know what I want to say, but I suppose I'm not sure how to place the information?

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +108

      this sounds so basic, but genuinely. make an outline. it's very easy for ideas to just balloon out of scope if you write off the cuff. have a thesis statement for every paragraph, and an overall thesis statement for your essay/script. aka, if someone asked you "what's your video about?" be able to answer it clearly and directly in 1-2 sentences. and then always keep that in mind as you write, drawing the ideas Back to that thesis. also, decide how you want to go about organizing your analysis. thematically? chronologically? etc. label everything. sections and sections within sections. organization will save you a headache bc genuinely As You Write and think you'll think of more things and the last thing you want is to have word salad at the end of a google doc that you don't know what to do with.
      if you have another question I will answer as best I can. also, I am One person with One style of thinking/analysis/organization--everyone has their own little flair and that's what's fun.
      something I in particular like to do is, at the end of any essay, make sure I have a "so what" in the conclusion. meaning, not just summing up what I already said (youve read the script/watched the video, you don't need me to repeat myself) but make sure that I am connecting these ideas to something bigger. the "why even write this" of it all. usually some larger idea/theme/emotion/concept that brings it all together. maybe something meta. blah blah blah. anyway!

    • @ashermack2543
      @ashermack2543 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      @@5x5Takes thank you so much! I think I more than often have significant ideas and interesting things to say but I find myself rambling endlessly. If I end up making a few videos I will give that a try. Thanks again for taking time out of your day to give some advice to some dude! :)

  • @hercules1476
    @hercules1476 หลายเดือนก่อน +16395

    I don't remember where I read it, but someone said " The Hunger Games showed an entire generation that the most revolutionary thing they could do was to to be compasionate."

    • @luless666
      @luless666 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Apparently lefties on tweeter didn't get the memo. Or misread it to be compassionate to their own, but not the the "others".

    • @trevnti
      @trevnti หลายเดือนก่อน +423

      Problem is that ppl are compassionate towards those they relate to or are similar to (whether appearance or ideological) or for their own benefit (missionaries) vs universally compassionate. It will largely remain that way as humans to their core are tribalist.
      It’s easy to be universally compassionate when things are good. When things start crumbling we go into self preservation

    • @berilsevvalbekret772
      @berilsevvalbekret772 หลายเดือนก่อน +306

      ​@@trevntiand yet time and time again humans in worst of situations decided to be universally compassionate.

    • @ceterisparibus8966
      @ceterisparibus8966 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      @@trevnti ''It’s easy to be universally compassionate when things are good. When things start crumbling we go into self preservation.'' What is your answer to that?

    • @tylerdarlington4269
      @tylerdarlington4269 หลายเดือนก่อน +178

      ​@@ceterisparibus8966 my response comes from Terry Pratchett (excerpt from a longer quote which i hope you'll go find and read) "Then turn selfishness into a weapon! Make all things yours!" I am safest when i have a community and a world that is structured around protecting everyone, and because i am a part of my community and the world I have a responsibility to that protection as well, not just for myself but for everyone.

  • @Jeremy_theGent
    @Jeremy_theGent หลายเดือนก่อน +26769

    The moment on the tour in Catching Fire when the little girl says to Katniss "One day, I'm gonna volunteer just like you did" is fucking terrifying.

    • @taylorparis7228
      @taylorparis7228 หลายเดือนก่อน +1995

      I could never figure out if Katniss was having a nightmare about that possibility happening, or if she was having a nightmare about what that girl said to her.
      Basically I never knew if it was a real moment or not?

    • @madamehoefyre1808
      @madamehoefyre1808 หลายเดือนก่อน +1633

      @@taylorparis7228 It was definitely a real moment, she was just having nightmares relating to her PTSD.

    • @sarahlandis289
      @sarahlandis289 หลายเดือนก่อน +173

      I don't remember that moment being part of the book

    • @Jeremy_theGent
      @Jeremy_theGent หลายเดือนก่อน +205

      @@sarahlandis289 It's been a while since I've read it, but I don't think it was.

    • @nightsaresosstarry
      @nightsaresosstarry หลายเดือนก่อน +93

      @@sarahlandis289it isn’t!

  • @prettypic444
    @prettypic444 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1009

    I really don’t think people pay enough attention to Katniss’ class at the beginning of the book. She’s in the lowest class of the worst district. She’s been her family’s primary protector and provider since she was 11, and knows what it feels like to starve. She’s had PTSD and attachment issues even before the games from her father’s deaths and mother’s depression (honestly, katniss’ relationship with her mother is one of the themes that I really wish could have been explored in more depths. Going from being a child to being a provider because your primary caregiver has just shut down and then having to go back to being a child due to a sudden windfall is a novel all in its own). If she was in the real world, she wouldn’t be an average suburban teen, she’d be a poor dropout in a poor area with a record as long as your arm doing 3 different semi illegal jobs to make sure her sister doesn’t have to. She’s not a middle class Everyman, she’s an EXTREMELY troubled youth who was doomed by the system even before she stepped into the arena. There are MILLIONS of Katnisses out there in the world that we’ve been conditioned not to empathize with. If the readers met someone like her in real life, they’d wrinkle their nose and hold their phones in a death grip.

    • @mariposa9506
      @mariposa9506 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

      I think you're close but not bang on. Katniss kept going to school. A kid today may work 3 jobs and continue school in order to be educated to support her family. Also as far as semi illegal it depends, katniss never broke a law that would hurt anyone. She didn't shoplift from rich businesses, didnt prostitute herself,didn't get to selling white liquor or morphling she only dumpster dove and sold her own things. Hunting was illegal but had no sound reason other than tyranny so she did break that law. If by semi illegal you mean run an unlicensed daycare sure I'll buy that.

    • @QueenyBunny
      @QueenyBunny 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +76

      "If the readers met someone like her in real life, they’d wrinkle their nose and hold their phones in a death grip." That was painful to read, but so true. Holy shit.

    • @user-wh2bs9tp4y
      @user-wh2bs9tp4y 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      I was a Katniss and read the series while getting ready to deploy into combat. I came back, ended up homeless. I found that every person who offered help was like the people of the capitol with their nose in the air, using my desperation to manipulate me for mere amusement. People hate a victim and love to help kick them while they are down. People love the victimizers and will rally to support them. Than once you get back up and try again people demand you should just shut up, stay small and be grateful. MJ said it best "... All I really want to say is they don't care about us..."

    • @Hellayia
      @Hellayia 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I am Katniss and I can confirm, people run away from us because we look like troubles to them when we're just trying to survive from the very start.

    • @kylepangilinan9075
      @kylepangilinan9075 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@mariposa9506 The thing is that Katniss was fortunate enough to have the skill of hunting in her back pocket to use when push came to shove; she outright admits that she likely would have turned to prostitution with the Head Peacekeeper had she been older and if her father had not had the opportunity to teach her what he knew. The only reason she didn't do worse was because she wasn't in a position to steel herself to do so, and she found a lifeline before needing to. Every day, people break the law and hurt others, not out of malice or evil, but out of desperation to survive; when you're hungry, you'll find a way to eat, no matter how reprehensible.

  • @memelord7567
    @memelord7567 หลายเดือนก่อน +2198

    I've always thought Effie's detachment and uncomfortable cheerfulness is, at least in part, a defence mechanism of sorts. I don't know how long she's had this job for, but surely meeting these kids every year, introducing them, guiding them in some way, and then watching them die has to affect her at least a little bit. So where Haymitch became an alcoholic and cynical to numb himself, maybe she dissociates and detaches herself, hides behind a bubbly and cheerful mask to make it less real.

    • @protatype7487
      @protatype7487 หลายเดือนก่อน +199

      I totally agree. I got the same impression for most of the capitol crew closest to the games. We see it most brilliantly in Cinna, of course, but I see it a bit in Stanley Tucci’s acting. I always wished we could see these people undressed of their shields, what are they like at home? What thoughts go through their heads as they try to sleep?
      EDIT ADDENDUM
      And one more thing! That’s always what makes me appreciate the character writing for Seneca so much, even though we get so little of him. He’s new blood, he doesn’t understand the true amorality yet.

    • @bindabizy7256
      @bindabizy7256 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

      Effie was Capitol, Haymitch was district, their conditioning was very much different. As well, Haymitch was a Victor and harmed by participation in the arena, Effie did not experience such things...

    • @elodiebeylie3438
      @elodiebeylie3438 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      Wasn't it her first year? That was why she was excited and also in charge of the lowest district, right? I might be wrong but that's how I remember it.

    • @NotPrincessButLeia
      @NotPrincessButLeia 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      I think you are absolutely right, because if you see her and Hamich say goodbye to each other at the end, gone is the face facade completely. She became a normal human being.

    • @The_OwO_Shogun
      @The_OwO_Shogun 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@protatype7487why did you say EDIT ADDENDUM LIKE it’s an scp article

  • @upsetstudios1819
    @upsetstudios1819 หลายเดือนก่อน +26467

    I will NEVER forgive the media for portraying these movies as "a love triangle for teens" instead of this complex and *real* look at empathy and politics

    • @JC_Cali
      @JC_Cali หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doesn't fit their pro-war/pro-Capitalist agenda so of course they had to reduce it to a c-plot

    • @bakedpotato1717
      @bakedpotato1717 หลายเดือนก่อน +2434

      It just further shows that women/girl-centered media isn’t taken as seriously :/

    • @Lonovavir
      @Lonovavir หลายเดือนก่อน +721

      There's a reason Mockingjay isn't the popular book/films.

    • @MrMusicKid87
      @MrMusicKid87 หลายเดือนก่อน +1026

      If the media portrayed it as it was, it would have been critiquing itself. It never would have been green-lit if it was self-aware enough to show the nuance and criticism of the media itself demonstrated in the books.

    • @thatfuzzypotato1877
      @thatfuzzypotato1877 หลายเดือนก่อน +754

      Wasn't Collins also purposely making the triangle to call out the trope? Its why Gale does what he foes in book 3 and Katniss has no ACTUAL chemistry with either and settles just because its what life is supposed to be, I got the heavy impression there is no actual love between her and Peeta just companionship

  • @Rosie-yt8nd
    @Rosie-yt8nd หลายเดือนก่อน +11069

    I like how also the empathy/care escalates. It's easier to care the closer we are to someone. Katniss does not volunteer for a stranger, she does it for her sister. Immediate family. When she becomes allies with Rue and mourns her, it is because she reminds her ofher sister. one step removed, but still somewhat tied to familiarity. at first she cares for the vulnerable, like Maggs and Wiress etc. then later she learns to empathize with people like Joanna too. there is a natural progression to it, from the most familiar to more and more abstract.

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +617

      exactly!!!!

    • @book-hoarder5664
      @book-hoarder5664 หลายเดือนก่อน +975

      To further that point, in the last book, Katniss even begins to have understanding for the citizens of the capital. While it still feels alien to her, she can still view them as people who are scared and who have been wronged by the same system as her. They may not have faced daily poverty like her or subjected to the horrors that were The Games, but they were still trained to see the world a certain way

    • @Me-vn3gz
      @Me-vn3gz หลายเดือนก่อน +409

      @@book-hoarder5664which is why she takes a stand against the grey haired woman (i forgot her name) that was the leader of district 13, because she realized that they also deserve empathy

    • @user-fx1vc6cy8f
      @user-fx1vc6cy8f หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Me-vn3gzPresident Coin?

    • @AL-di1fo
      @AL-di1fo หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Me-vn3gz President Coin

  • @InvaderHog
    @InvaderHog หลายเดือนก่อน +636

    My still favorite scene in the entire series is when Peeta takes the victor out to the water and tells her to look at the sky so she can focus on the colors while she is dying- he was already such an empathetic person to begin with but that scene was so well done because he gave her a last moment of true joy and peace before she died.

    • @dream_walker9726
      @dream_walker9726 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT THAT AND IT KILLS ME

    • @maddyharvey7414
      @maddyharvey7414 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I loved Peeta. I thought he was such an interesting and well rounded character. Privileged yet damaged in his own way. Observant and cunning, but without the same hardness that gets revealed in Gail later on.

  • @lalaj5831
    @lalaj5831 หลายเดือนก่อน +1653

    The Hunger Games was in the school reading curriculum when my daughter was in the 6th grade. I was mortified. I read it first. Then we read it together, taking turns reading aloud. We discussed it thoroughly after each reading session including researching the author, political history and psychology of oppressive regimes. Other parents got the book removed to a higher grade level but, in the end, my daughter and I learned a lot. Now as an adult, she is a deeply critical thinker and social activist.

    • @eveangelyne2478
      @eveangelyne2478 หลายเดือนก่อน +173

      The Hunger Games is a really hard series for a reason, and if not read and discussed correctly can go over some heads. My parents were furious after seeing the first movie because, unlike the book, it lacked a lot of Katniss' internal monologue, and they didn't understand the story as much as I tried to explain. When later movies came out is when it clicked for them. I'm happy I was a preteen when this series was a sensation. I just reread it as an adult, and realized how much my current worldview is still affected by it. And I am so grateful. I think, growing up in the US, I could have fallen into the trap of being naive about conflicts and wars and how it sacrifices youth to keep the powers that be in place, had this book not stuck with me from such a young age. Thank you for doing the scary thing of confronting the story together. I am sure your daughter will continue to be an incredibly empathetic and critical thinker as she grows.

    • @A_r_i_._G_
      @A_r_i_._G_ หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      Props to you for taking the time to read it with your daughter 👏🏼❤️‍🩹

    • @ramsa01Yt
      @ramsa01Yt 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@eveangelyne2478by some miracle the empathy does not manifest in the topic of Ukraine

    • @eveangelyne2478
      @eveangelyne2478 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      @@ramsa01Yt ? you may have to clarify what you mean by this. It appears that you assume this comment lacks empathy for Ukraine and its youth? When they are clearly victims of a war that has also robbed their youth of their lives, safety, and beautiful country. This also goes for Russian youth that are drafted in a conflict that shouldn't have been. But that goes for all wars, even though I cannot possibly list each and every one in a singular youtube comment. Those in power don't take the fall as the young people at the bottom are sacrificed for the egos of old men

    • @irenedf9325
      @irenedf9325 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I compliment you
      Respect👍

  • @bananamanchester4156
    @bananamanchester4156 หลายเดือนก่อน +7872

    There's a moment in The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes that really stuck with me. In the arena, the main antagonist is Coral, one of the tributes from district 4. By all accounts, Coral is in the best position to win. She's strong, she's ruthless, we see her ending tributes mercilessley, even ones she has an alliance with. She seems completely devoid of empathy.
    UNTIL. It's only her and Lucy Gray left, being chased by the snakes and climbing the rubble. Of course the snakes won't attack Lucy Gray, but Coral doesn't know that, and Lucy is just a few steps ahead of her and the snakes. As the snakes are swarming her and biting her, she cries out in a high-pitched, childlike voice, begging for her life. She says, "It's not fair. It's not. It can't have all been for nothing."
    This literal child sacrificed her own empathy and humanity and turned herself into a monster, just as the Capitol demanded of her, because all she wanted was to survive. And at the end, she realises that everything she did was ultimately meaningless and she is going to be disposed of anyway, just because Lucy Gray was able to climb a pile of rubble just a little bit faster. She strangled her own soul for the Capitol, and the Capitol fed her to the snakes.

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +951

      god. that moment has so much power. yea

    • @XanderMatthews-nv9zf
      @XanderMatthews-nv9zf หลายเดือนก่อน +198

      It’s such a weird ending compared to the book, like all of a sudden Gaul doesn’t care about having a satisfying conclusion to the Hunger Games which is yknow THE ENTIRE GODDAMN POINT

    • @bananamanchester4156
      @bananamanchester4156 หลายเดือนก่อน +502

      @@XanderMatthews-nv9zf I might be wrong here but I believe that it's very heavily implied that Gaul knew about the handkerchief. She was grooming Snow to be her successor, and she wanted to encourage him to do anything, by any means, to succeed. Even his banishment from the Capitol wasn't a punishment, but a test. She wanted to see if he could find a way to get back to the Capitol. In addition, she wanted him to lose all sympathy for the Districts- what better way than to send him there, so that his experience would traumatise him and leave him bitter? I believe the snakes were also a test. She deliberately told him about them, to see if he could neutralise them as a threat. And also, it gave her the opportunity to send him to the Districts.

    • @GH-fb9dh
      @GH-fb9dh หลายเดือนก่อน +174

      @@XanderMatthews-nv9zfthe point of the hunger games for the capitol is to make the districts submissive and afraid. It doesn’t care that it doesn’t have a satisfying end, only that the district people are fearing for their lives

    • @alexandratamarblack8880
      @alexandratamarblack8880 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

      You see but this defeats the entire point of the books. Given the choice between predator and prey everyone runs and hides. There is no blood bath because this is the first time there doesn’t have to be one with the arena being blown up a day before they go in. There were no cameras in the tunnels. Sure they made allies and eventually went after each other but that wasn’t until they really had to. And that dismisses the point that Repear who was actually in the best position to win the games, he was strong and fast and the capital wanted him to be violent. But instead he harms no one. He simply drags his axe around the center of arena, actually helping Lamina, and then hiding the bodies from the capital in a respect of the dead, talking away the spectacle the capital so desperately wanted. And when Reaper finally dies at the hand of Lucy and her rat poison, the last one, we have this moment with Lucy where she simply sits down, tilts her head to the sun, and waits to be collected.

  • @taylorparis7228
    @taylorparis7228 หลายเดือนก่อน +9683

    Got chills near the end when you were talking about compassion and love in the games being its own downfall. I read somewhere:
    "at the start of The Hunger Games, Katniss was terrified of Prim dying young and Peeta was terrified of the capital changing him. By the end, Prim died anyway and they changed Peeta in all the ways he was scared of"
    In the end nothing mattered. But it all did. Nothing was changed. Everything was changed.

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +993

      man.

    • @nope19568
      @nope19568 หลายเดือนก่อน +1826

      when i reread the books i realized pretty quick that every single character loses what they wanted, haymitch just wanted to be drunk and left to die but couldn't, katniss just wanted prim to live and she didnt, peeta didnt want to change and he did, joanna makes an offhand comment about not wanting to fry and thats exactly how they torture her, finnick wanted annie and a life outside the game and he lost it all, gale wanted katniss and lost her, snow wanted the games to continue and they didnt, coin wanted power and lost it all in the end, hell effie even just wanted to be famous and get into higher ranks in the capitol before katniss and peeta show up, nobody "won" in these books, they survived

    • @RoSizzle
      @RoSizzle หลายเดือนก่อน +232

      @@nope19568 well except maybe Plutarch

    • @nope19568
      @nope19568 หลายเดือนก่อน +377

      @@RoSizzle true plutarch was mostly alright at the end lol

    • @TheOtherBoobJustDropped
      @TheOtherBoobJustDropped หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      And Cinna, he just wanted to make sure the Capitol remembered Katniss. He may have died, but he sure did achieve his goal

  • @i-understood-that-referenc3355
    @i-understood-that-referenc3355 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +346

    Some food for thought: in the TBOSAS book, when the bell went off and the games started, there was no instant death, instant action like we saw in the movie; in fact, most of the tributes ran away. But of course, no violence is boring to watch, right? So that’s not the way it was translated into film. Oddly disturbing when you think about it.

    • @TheVulcanBard
      @TheVulcanBard 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

      I don't remember if it was said in the books or not, but that scene made me think that that is why they introduced the cornucopia. With it, the games get that instant burst of action and the first few deaths to start off the show.

    • @Howlzffffdd
      @Howlzffffdd 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Sorta off topic but I always think about how in catching fire (I think it was), the capital people have a drug that allows them to get sick after being full and move room for more food. Knowing that the capital controls how much food the districts get and ignorantly indulge in more food then they can stomach is so disturbing to me. Especially since we have drugs similar to that today that really are only accessible to people who can afford it.

    • @carmenerechile
      @carmenerechile 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Howlzffffdd the only thing I want to say is that why do people spend money on some "medicine" to vomit when there are very easy two fingers in the mouth.
      Do not recommend any method, if anything

    • @naviro6672
      @naviro6672 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Well in the book much more tributes died before they even entered the actual arena...
      In the movie all but 5 were still alive and they - that sounds so cruel now - had to get ridd of 6 more tributes on screen at the beginning of the arena

  • @edenglass3098
    @edenglass3098 หลายเดือนก่อน +360

    The beautiful irony that gaul is right: the games did reveal humanity's true nature. And it revealed that, no matter how horrific the circumstances, empathy always wins.

    • @tiffanywyatt5137
      @tiffanywyatt5137 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It's a fictional book. Empathy doesn't won

    • @dream_walker9726
      @dream_walker9726 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tiffanywyatt5137*win

    • @llanfairpwlgwyngyll7331
      @llanfairpwlgwyngyll7331 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      @@tiffanywyatt5137 meybe yoir empathy doesn't won bur my empthy just won me thirdy dolers

    • @Kayla_Sandoval
      @Kayla_Sandoval 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's so true.

    • @tiffanywyatt5137
      @tiffanywyatt5137 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@llanfairpwlgwyngyll7331 name me an empathetic rich person who donated their wealth to charity

  • @nawarb.4226
    @nawarb.4226 หลายเดือนก่อน +5334

    For me, the trafficking of Victors really drives home the fact that they didn't win at all- they just lived to see another day of being owned completely by the Capitol. (Also, it's definitely a tactic to keep the most popular Victors under control)

    • @ToaCody1
      @ToaCody1 หลายเดือนก่อน +249

      As the saying goes: "Out of the frying pan and into the fire!"

    • @somethingclever8916
      @somethingclever8916 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's a choice between being a slave doing hard labor or a slave in a harem. Most of us would rather be in a harem having sex all day and our beauty pampered than working 16 hours days, every day until you are worked to death

    • @maxrichards3881
      @maxrichards3881 หลายเดือนก่อน +213

      Finnick said it himself: The moment you leave, you're a slave.

    • @BouncingTribbles
      @BouncingTribbles หลายเดือนก่อน +190

      This is kind of just what it means to be the plaything of the rich and powerful. How do you leave somewhere when they flew you there on their private plane? How do you ask for something they've said you can't have when they pay all the staff? How do you refuse a request when they just casually gave you some spending money the equivalent of half a years work at your old job? The trap for the winners is so obvious in hindsight.

    • @moustik31
      @moustik31 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Yes, this!

  • @tamatojam9305
    @tamatojam9305 หลายเดือนก่อน +6203

    There’s also an interesting part of the books that explains that the ENTIRE district gets food parcels for a YEAR if one of their tributes wins to “reward them” for producing a victor.
    I think this is such an interesting detail because even if you’re entirely against the games, even if it’s someone you know or love in that arena, you can’t look away. You can’t help but root for them, because if they win, you win too.
    It’s such an interesting way to make those in the districts still want the winnings of the games, even if it comes at the expense of incredible violence.
    Because there’s always that chance that feeds on their desperation. That possibly creates resentment to those who weren’t “good enough” to win, and also that intense alienating idolization to those who DO win.

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +472

      TOTALLY.

    • @jamescanjuggle
      @jamescanjuggle หลายเดือนก่อน +398

      just wanted to tack on that its about food
      literally food, daily nutrition sustenance and survival
      not luxury, not a single crumb beyond the idea, just another years worth to keep doing the same thing that both partys know they'll claw for

    • @matichagak548
      @matichagak548 หลายเดือนก่อน +308

      @@jamescanjuggle i think that is mentioned multiple times, and it's such a symbolic detail! Panem is Bread in latin. each district has its typical bread. the games are called the Hunger Games, not only because tributes may starve and are hungry for victory, but because the reason they are hungry for victory is that they are phisically straving where they come from. they starve every day they are not in the Capitol and everyone back home starves too. and if you win you won't starve any longer. your family won't either. for a year, your distric won't starve. a lot of attention is placed on food. something so basic but that not everyone has. collins really went for the most baseline theme and turned into a masterpiece. the amount of passages where katniss comments on the amount of food the capitol people consume or have at their disposition is incredibly big. and that's precisely one of the things that makes her angrier: that these people don't know how lucky they are to have food.

    • @CorwinFound
      @CorwinFound หลายเดือนก่อน +302

      It also serves to make the district people feel morally complicit. "Look, you wanted your people to win, and when they do you benefit as much as anyone! You are not fundamentally different than Capitol folk." It's very similar to when someone complains about capitalism the response is, "Well if you feel that way, quit spending money!" These are systems that 99% of people cannot opt out of and yet that system works actively to make compulsory involvement feel like complicity.

    • @alis49281
      @alis49281 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      And then there is the capital who has more food than they can eat.

  • @nicestpancake
    @nicestpancake หลายเดือนก่อน +437

    I think the things that fuck me up every single time are the scenes where people make the handsign at Katniss during the victor tour. Those people know they're going to die- they know that they're sending a message that will get them executed. You can see it in their face.
    But also in their face is "I don't want to live having not said this. I would rather die letting them know that _we aren't giving up either_ than live hoping they Just Know."
    And it shows during the rebellion sequences. Sure, they intended to take down the dam with 13- but singing The Hanging Tree? The lumberjacks using the trees as cover as they blew up the peacekeepers?
    It was a unified front with little to no proper back and forth not because they all hated the Capitol- though that was certainly part of it- but because they _all loved eachother._
    Fucks me up man.

    • @jebb7054
      @jebb7054 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      I hate that these books and movies were put into the “teen dystopian ” bracket. The example you gave with this comment proves why the Hunger Games is so powerful and why the books/movies should be taken more seriously by the general public.

  • @paco-bp1dp
    @paco-bp1dp หลายเดือนก่อน +172

    The clip of the boy with a sword stabbing his sister is honestly sad because even as children they view the hunger games as a fun game that they want to recreate like I wouldn't doubt if they played school games about the hunger games which forms a fondness for it even before they can comprehend it

    • @dream_walker9726
      @dream_walker9726 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      it’s like little kids playing war with nerf guns, it’s horrific

  • @jade4623
    @jade4623 หลายเดือนก่อน +2396

    Another way the dehumanize the tributes in the later games is that they wear a uniform. Lucy really stands out in her dress and it shows her personality. Also when they die the picture in the sky states only the number of their district and not their name.

    • @bradleyadams5252
      @bradleyadams5252 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

      Not a person anymore, just another number...

    • @wobblsobble
      @wobblsobble 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      They're only a statistic to the capitol, a demonstration to their power

  • @colechapman6976
    @colechapman6976 หลายเดือนก่อน +3814

    What always mystified me was how Capitol citizens could see children being murdered by each other as sport and entertainment but the moment Peeta announced Katniss was pregnant, that is where they suddenly grew a moral conscious and saw the deaths as inhumane.

    • @shaliquebrown800
      @shaliquebrown800 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think that’s exactly how Americans view pregnancy. They will make legislation on women’s bodies and within the medical community to “protect” the baby but when that baby is born they don’t really care anymore.

    • @zer0w0lf94
      @zer0w0lf94 หลายเดือนก่อน +1642

      Reminds me of the anti-abortion crowd. The idea of a child's life is more valuable to them than an actual child's life. Saddening, really.

    • @Grey_3438
      @Grey_3438 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@zer0w0lf94💯

    • @darkmatter9643
      @darkmatter9643 หลายเดือนก่อน +817

      Because it shatters the illusion of choice, before then the tributes “chose” to enter their names additional times, they “chose” to survive, they “chose” to win.
      But with the introduction of an unborn child who had no say in the matter in the eyes of the capital, the illusion is shattered.

    • @user-fm4qb7br7o
      @user-fm4qb7br7o หลายเดือนก่อน +252

      @@zer0w0lf94basically that.They dont even care about the orphans

  • @HoopsAndDinoMan
    @HoopsAndDinoMan 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

    Cato is particularly tragic because he's essentially punished for doing his job too well.
    He trained himself to the point he was the strongest, most ruthless, and most likely to win. But this, paradoxically, made him less likely to win, because audiences like to root for the underdog. The Capitol understood this, and rigged the game in Katniss and Peeta's favor by letting them team up, putting them at an advantage. To win a fight to the death, you have to become cruel, but being cruel makes the audience like you less, and the audience can sponsor your competition, which is exactly what happened.
    The system turned against Cato because he did exactly what it told him to do, and he seemed to have realized that just before he died. Heartbreaking.

  • @Ferdinand_VonAegir
    @Ferdinand_VonAegir หลายเดือนก่อน +213

    When you talked about the capitol turning the residents of the districts against each other, you reminded me one something. For the first quarter quell, the capitol made the residents of the districts pick their own tributes. Which not only meant that if you were picked, you felt incredibly betrayed by your own people, but also that you knew who or how many wanted you gone. This was a genius move by the capitol because it's the **first** quarter quell, making its twist feel deeper and have a bigger impact. Dividing the districts' communities ensured another uprising wouldn't come for a long time.

    • @probablycrimson
      @probablycrimson 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      i want a book and movie about the first quarter quell so bad

    • @naviro6672
      @naviro6672 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      That was a genius move on multiple fronts...
      25 years... Thats a periode of time were a completely new generation is born so that all the participants have nothing to do with the original inted why the hunger games are hold...
      By deciding who will fight at the capitol turns the people of each district against his neighbours...
      By doubbleing the tributes the greive is more than doubbled because noone stands alone and this way the districts will hate each other even more because they kill one another...
      But the third one was a big mistake... The victors are idols to both their districts AND the capitol... The victors know each other and they know what each individual was going through... Victors so to speak are their own district... Kinda... And sending them to fight each other was doomed from the beginning... Even without Katniss...

  • @bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594
    @bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594 หลายเดือนก่อน +4228

    The scene where Katniss says “Panem today. Panem tomorrow. Panem forever,” while everyone in the district she’s talking to is screaming at them is so haunting.

    • @bendackins7211
      @bendackins7211 หลายเดือนก่อน +462

      (Maybe a not so) fun fact, thats a rewording of a part of an unfortunately very real speech made by an anti civil rights politician during the Jim Crow era south, where the infamous hook of the speech was “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.”

    • @watching7721
      @watching7721 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

      The person above me is talking about George Wallace

    • @darceyconway3061
      @darceyconway3061 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      accurate representation of celebrities on twitter

    • @thatoneguy9582
      @thatoneguy9582 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

      @@darceyconway3061
      no way “twitter bad amirite” is the main takeaway you got from this piece

    • @alfredfreedomjones5105
      @alfredfreedomjones5105 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@watching7721yep, Governor of Alabama

  • @RO53M4RY
    @RO53M4RY หลายเดือนก่อน +4070

    Cato’s death in the books is so sad. He ends up at the hand of the capitol’s mutts ripping him apart for HOURS only stopping when Katniss mercy kills him

    • @fangsabre
      @fangsabre หลายเดือนก่อน +689

      They weren't even tearing him, he was wearing body armor that protected him ankle to neck. So likely he lost his hands and feet and then beyond that they were effectively bludgeoning him to death

    • @Balrog-tf3bg
      @Balrog-tf3bg หลายเดือนก่อน +421

      ⁠@@fangsabrei can remember why hunger games gave me an existential crisis about death back in middle school after reading all the comments recapping the book

    • @4niasomnia573
      @4niasomnia573 หลายเดือนก่อน +686

      And let’s not forget that the mutts attacking looked LIKE THE OTHER TRIBUTES. So he’s being attacked by (things that look like) the people he murdered for HOURS. It’s a special kind of horror that the movies didn’t touch on, either for the rating or the fact that they wanted to maintain the illusion of the spectacle for some meta commentary.

    • @questioningespecialy9107
      @questioningespecialy9107 หลายเดือนก่อน +256

      ​@@fangsabre iirc they were moreso dissecting his body while avoiding vital organs and, by time Katniss aims for the head, he looked like a meat with a face

    • @mal7182
      @mal7182 หลายเดือนก่อน +255

      @@4niasomnia573no they WERE the tributes, the bodies were mutated into the mutts, I almost cried when I read that Katina’s found Rue’s mutt.

  • @PsRohrbaugh
    @PsRohrbaugh หลายเดือนก่อน +146

    As a depressed teen, I actually fantasized about being a tribute. Being forced into a situation where I have no choice, and I'll either end up rich and famous, or dead. No mediocre in-between.
    I think you did a great analysis of the series, and brought up a lot of deeper meanings I was only partially aware of.
    But I think there's also a perverse appeal to something like the hunger games for people in dark places mentally.

    • @ms.x1669
      @ms.x1669 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      I was a depressed teen but I'm 30 now. I know exactly how you feel because I went through it. Hopefully you'll get better.❤ Good luck.

    • @pinkturtle2016
      @pinkturtle2016 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      i feel called out

    • @songofthesea6353
      @songofthesea6353 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It’s the human desire for purpose, to do something big even if it’s deadly.

  • @miremiro_
    @miremiro_ หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    What differentiates The Hunger Games from all the other book-turned-movie dystopian stories is how CLOSELY it hits home and how justifiable the societal systems in place are. Using the reality TV format and exploitative celebrity culture that we are so used to and then pushing it as far as it can go to create this... such a genius idea.
    A lot of other books just relied on a gimmick that didn't really have a logical explanation or added supernatural uncontrollable elements to justify why society had become the way it did. But The Hunger Games is just our reality amplified. In a similar way to the early seasons of Black Mirror, seeing the elements of our current society reflected in the story is what makes the movie so fascinating (and scary) to watch.

  • @dawesome_sauce
    @dawesome_sauce หลายเดือนก่อน +3649

    I always found it a little unnerving watching the TV promos for the last two movies in the mid-2010s. It almost felt like a parody of the spectacle critically examined in the books, but turned real on the screen in my bedroom. As if the advertisers were blissfully unaware of how much they were missing the point.

    • @susanasabino
      @susanasabino หลายเดือนก่อน +392

      oh, you didn't like the CoverGirl Hunger Games Makeup Collection? why not???

    • @TFBPDK
      @TFBPDK หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      That may of been there idea, I doubt it but they could of been like imitating the capital in a way

    • @mariamrtnz9889
      @mariamrtnz9889 หลายเดือนก่อน +147

      Life imitates fiction, especially in our world slowly turning into the capital itself, but take into consideration that maybe this type of advertisement and presentation might be necessary to survive in the a capitalist society we live in today. This film would never have reached the many eyes it has today if not for the flashy love triangle crap. But luckily for us now, we all enjoyed the films for what they presented us back then, not realizing now that we see in between the lines of their ignorance and once again we realize that capitalism will produce its own downfall.

    • @amadarobles6415
      @amadarobles6415 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

      THANK YOU omg I’m not the only one who is weirded out by it. Like the thirst to watch haymitch’s games and finnick’s games. Like the point isn’t the hunger games. The point is the events leading up to the perceived necessity of the games

    • @matteoromanova4582
      @matteoromanova4582 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

      @@susanasabino Capitol collection, specifically. And a subway add that was equally as tone deaf in its own way, it was so jarring seeing those ads air.

  • @Butterfly-ql4pg
    @Butterfly-ql4pg หลายเดือนก่อน +2872

    Honestly goes to show why The Hunger Games is one of the few YA dystopias to have stood the test of time. Suzanne Collins took the time to craft a story and world that are genuinely complex and actually have something to say, as opposed to what most of the knockoffs did, which was essentially, "Hey, let's throw a bunch of cool and edgy teenagers--preferably straight and white and in a love triangle--into a scenario where they have to overthrow an oppressive government and hope it sells"

    • @giftedfox1
      @giftedfox1 หลายเดือนก่อน +99

      Like "Maze runner" 😂😂

    • @GETitRIGHTSHANON
      @GETitRIGHTSHANON หลายเดือนก่อน +226

      *cough* divergent

    • @Mara_Jade-Skywalker
      @Mara_Jade-Skywalker หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      Just wanted to say I love your pfp. Also, yes, Hunger Games is actually insanely good. I almost cried, I *never* cry over books. I almost cried at Rue's death.

    • @bennelong8451
      @bennelong8451 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Straight and white cus that’s like 90% of readers lol

    • @Butterfly-ql4pg
      @Butterfly-ql4pg หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@Mara_Jade-SkywalkerThanks! ❤

  • @Gee_lostintheprescriptions
    @Gee_lostintheprescriptions หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    I think that's why characters such as Effie and especially her assistants were so important. Because even Katniss, despite it all, could see how genuine they were as they "cared" for her. I think it's so smart to make those kind of characters not perfect and unlikable antagonists, but just people who, just as katniss, grew to be who they are because of their environment. I feel like every character in the hunger games had this thing that you've perfectly explained, that in different circumstances, they could've been each other.

  • @ellanorevannin4147
    @ellanorevannin4147 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    Katniss valunteering is remarkable as she is the first volunteer in her district. That means that all those other kids were never rescued by a family memeber. Imagen the guilt, grief, relief and self hatred the siblings of the reeped felt. They could sacrifice themselves for their sibling. But they don't. Just like Peeta's older brother doesn't volunteer in his brother's place.
    This also turns them against eachother. In the reeping it is every man for himself. But Katniss defies that. She does what no one ever dared to do before.

  • @melodyashwin4643
    @melodyashwin4643 หลายเดือนก่อน +2402

    My favourite character is Cinna. Who humanised someone the other stylists see as a living corpse that they need to make pretty, when he walked in he resurrected her from the make over 'slab'.

    • @h0taru139
      @h0taru139 หลายเดือนก่อน +245

      Cinna was such a gem, I wish more people analyzing HG turned their eyes toward him

    • @abbiejo6822
      @abbiejo6822 หลายเดือนก่อน +377

      He really was wonderful and the actor portrayed his character beautifully - a quiet compassionate genius. I don’t think anyone who just sees the films realizes how much work he put into curating Katniss’ image as a starstruck young girl to keep her alive. With all the designs he’d made ahead of time for the rebellion and the mockingjay dress, he had to have known he was likely signing his own death warrant.

    • @Pa5an1
      @Pa5an1 หลายเดือนก่อน +254

      Cinna deserves so much love. He’s pretty much the only person who shows Katniss actual humanity in the Capitol. He doesn’t sugarcoat or pretend to be able to save her, but he does everything he can to give her some dignity back

    • @animeotaku307
      @animeotaku307 หลายเดือนก่อน +175

      Also underrated is that he works in fashion. Not only is it an area that men get mocked for working in, but it tends to get poo-pooed compared to other arts. And yet here it’s shown that, like the other arts, it can make a political statement.

    • @GH-fb9dh
      @GH-fb9dh หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      It’s been a while since I last read it. Is that how they describe Katniss? Because she was starving?

  • @EVER_PRINCE
    @EVER_PRINCE หลายเดือนก่อน +2848

    One more major thing - the glamorization of the tributes actively causes the Capital citizens to view the poorer districts, 11 and 12 particularly, as more well off and put together than they actually are. Basically sweeping the harsh reality of the truth under the rug. While simultaneously turning the district against their own representative, literally seeing this child you watched grow up in your community, maybe you even know their parents, work with them even, and suddenly they’re on TV everywhere. Dressed in elaborate, exaggerated, and eccentric clothes, getting chumming with all the people who belittle and oppress you. I wouldn’t be shocked if the parents of Tributes were subject to harassment and even assault due to this.

    • @MrsNgabire
      @MrsNgabire หลายเดือนก่อน +284

      Your first point about downplaying the struggle in the districts is a good idea, I never thought of that!
      But the folks in the districts knew what was going on and if I remember correctly from the books, families of the (poor) tributes were actually given more care and comfort during and immediately after the games. I could've sworn I remember there being a line about those who could would bring food.

    • @dazey8706
      @dazey8706 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

      @@MrsNgabire oh also i remember a line that said the entire district is rewarded when its tribute wins! it didnt go into full detail im super curious now! i think they just got more food and resources, maybe funds, idk

    • @fangsabre
      @fangsabre หลายเดือนก่อน +100

      ​@@dazey8706from what I remember the victor district basically gets a feast and extra rations for the one year.

    • @questioningespecialy9107
      @questioningespecialy9107 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      so it's real life then

    • @perkl1234
      @perkl1234 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@fangsabre Art imitates life: the relatives of Russian KIA in Ukraine get a sack of potatoes.

  • @SpicyYamz
    @SpicyYamz 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    "I make a list in my head of all the good things I’ve seen someone do. Every little thing I can remember. It’s like a game. I do it over and over. Gets a little tedious after all these years, but there are much worse games to play." ― Katniss Everdeen

    • @TheBridget272
      @TheBridget272 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I sob every time. My family probably thinks there's something wrong with me. We watch the movies about once a year and I'm surprised they don't all leave the room before the last line to avoid seeing me break down.

  • @LocalAceAJ
    @LocalAceAJ หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    I thought about another aspect of the dehumanization or disconnection of the tributes. The fact that they call each other by their district numbers instead of their names. If I recall correctly (it’s been a while since I’ve seen the movies), Katniss was initially just referred to as “Twelve,” ofc aside from Peeta.

    • @herlocksholmes-uv5qw
      @herlocksholmes-uv5qw หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      She was! I remember Thresh calling her 12 when he tells her he'll spare her for Rue's sake. I do not remember the others, unfortunately, but I do remember Thresh

  • @quillmcconnell8452
    @quillmcconnell8452 หลายเดือนก่อน +3060

    The 3rd quarter quell bringing the winners together was the greatest act of arrogance the capital ever made, and this video explains perfectly why that is

    • @gregoryherman1044
      @gregoryherman1044 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it was partially organized by a game master working to bring down the system. It failed intentionally

    • @Balrog-tf3bg
      @Balrog-tf3bg หลายเดือนก่อน +161

      Messed up as the games are forcing them to do it all AGAIN is pure evil

    • @darkcreatureinadarkroom1617
      @darkcreatureinadarkroom1617 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Balrog-tf3bgand stupid as well. So far they had gotten away with manipulating poor, inexperienced _children_ . The tributes of the 3rd Quarter Quell are nothing like that, they are adults, they are "privileged" (perks of being a so-called "victor"), and above all they are SURVIVORS. They know the ropes, they probably have inside contacts in the Capitol, but most importantly they have *so much ANGER* that it should have been so obvious from the beginning why it was such a bad idea... Arrogance, cruelty and stupidity are not a great combo, yeah.

    • @skittybug6937
      @skittybug6937 หลายเดือนก่อน +292

      The best part is, the Capital didn't even make that move. At least in the films, it's shown Plutarch retrieving the third Quarter Quell paper, reading it, and then burning it.
      The implication being that Plutarch wrote down the whole "bring previous tributes back" thing for this express purpose. And I think that's masterful, and also adds to the idea that certain tributes are chosen for drama value. Like, what are the odds that every tribute in on the plan for rebellion is thrown into the arena? In fact, Haymitch initially intended to go in because he was aware of the plan...Peeta, who didn't know about the plan, fucked that up by volunteering.

    • @mavenproductions7554
      @mavenproductions7554 หลายเดือนก่อน +164

      It was definitely a bad idea. Like she said, they made a separate culture of the victors and expected them to do it all over again. But that culture, as small as it was, was unified by very similar experiences of abuse and oppression. That unity was their downfall.

  • @stephenwillis6937
    @stephenwillis6937 หลายเดือนก่อน +4407

    I always loved that Susan made a Male Victor a victim of Sex Slavery. Sure they could have done that to a Female Victor but in a Dystopian society that would have almost been expected but we rarely if ever see Men put in that position.

    • @dazey8706
      @dazey8706 หลายเดือนก่อน +762

      yeah actually i cant name any other media with a character that was sex trafficked as an underage boy, despite that being a more common occurance than people might think

    • @lisa_wistfulone7957
      @lisa_wistfulone7957 หลายเดือนก่อน +823

      Sex trafficking of underage males is actually a huge issue. A 2008 study found that 50% of sexually exploited children in NYC were boys. Western culture and media continue to promote the idea that only females are victims, that guys are “strong, empowered, etc.” Unfortunately, this means that boys who need help are often overlooked. And apparently it’s a global problem as well. It would be helpful if more movies and media helped call attention to this.

    • @KaiTheMemeKing
      @KaiTheMemeKing หลายเดือนก่อน +589

      Reading Finnick's account of his sexual abuse in Mockingjay is always super powerful. I wish that the movies had gone into more depth with Finnick because he loses a lot of likeability in the transition. He's still great, but nothing like Book Finnick

    • @maddinar6727
      @maddinar6727 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

      I never read the books (which I plan on changing) but I don't remember me picking up on that aspect at all. So I think you're totally correct there.

    • @leila9194
      @leila9194 หลายเดือนก่อน +144

      ​@KaiTheMemeKing I agree. When I watched the movies I felt finnick was a side character. I didnt care as much about him. But reading the books I absolutely loved his character

  • @yourlocalbi9811
    @yourlocalbi9811 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    This is an aside, but can we talk about how Stanley Tucci NAILED Cesar Flickerman? Every time he was onscreen, I was both amused and repulsed. Truly the most slappable man in the entire Capitol.

    • @TheBridget272
      @TheBridget272 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      He was BRILLIANT. I can't get over it. I never watch these movies without thinking about how he absolutely NAILED that role.

    • @naviro6672
      @naviro6672 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Apart from Snow himself

  • @BagOCheetos
    @BagOCheetos หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    I am a disabled combat veteran. This video essay is fantastic. I have personally experienced and witnessed firsthand what conditioning can do, and the brutal outcomes of acting on such violent conditioning. I have also personally experienced and witnessed our innate desire for solidarity and cooperation amid even the most absurdly inhuman conditions. I have also seen what trauma can turn people into. That trauma forced me to exercise that empathy muscle, if I hadn't I would have disappeared myself a long time ago. I discovered along the way that violence is unnecessary, we are just conditioned to believe that it is.

  • @atleyf3500
    @atleyf3500 หลายเดือนก่อน +2094

    If cruelty is human nature, why are most examples of it artificial?
    In most situations, even incredibly desperate ones, collaboration is the best strategy even just from a strategic position. Humans are herd animals; we can't do a lot on our own and need a large support structure to survive. So a situation where betraying someone else is actually beneficial is very rare unless specifically created.
    You know what usually happens during natural disasters? People band together to support one another. To help the young and elderly, to save neighbors and make sure everyone survives. You can see that during basically every natural disaster. Even countries that are bitter enemies sent aid in situations like these.
    People only turn on each other during unnatural disasters. Where people starve while the shelves are full of food. Where everyone could make it but only a few are allowed to because of arbitrary rules. These kinds of disasters are always really strange to think about. What actually happens during a financial collapse? The amount of food, housing and other necessities is still the same but access to it has been made more difficult. It's a weird effect where the more I learn about the economy and how it functions on both macro and micro levels, the less it seems real. Knowing how inflation works doesn't make a situation where people starve because they can't afford the food that is still there any less stupid.
    Cruelty isn't human nature because in nature it's almost never beneficial. It only appears when the powerful create a world where only a few can win and unity is dispelled with violence.

    • @eatatjoes6751
      @eatatjoes6751 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

      I’m probably too cynical because of current events, *BUT WHAT IDEAL WORLD ARE YOU LIVING IN?!*

    • @atleyf3500
      @atleyf3500 หลายเดือนก่อน +320

      @@eatatjoes6751 Trust me I know how fucked things are currently. Our world is horrible and it makes the people that inhabit it do horrible things. But it's not “natural” and it's not the only way things can be. And yes positive change is possible. It feels ridiculous to say it isn't while living in a society with the advancements we take for granted. Every civil right be it social or worker focussed was fought for by people who came before us.

    • @mariabelen03
      @mariabelen03 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      Yes, I recommend u the book Humankind. It talks about the goodness of human nature

    • @Argenta_Rosa
      @Argenta_Rosa หลายเดือนก่อน +98

      Good and evil isn't something intrinsic to nature, it is a concept invented by humanity and the ideals of it are constantly shaped over time.
      In the end, we are all animals trying to survive, cooperation and violence are both avenues that can lead to that survival.
      In a situation where cooperation is punished, violence reigns
      In a situation where violence is punished, cooperation reigns.

    • @crairdin
      @crairdin หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      The very examples you cite of cruelty are *not* artificial and they subvert your point. It's true that collaboration is the best strategy, but it's the best strategy precisely *because* evil and cruelty are natural. Even in herd animals, the strongest don't attack the predators to protect the weak; they out-run the weak to protect themselves. "Collaboration" in this context is banding together with the other strong and fast animals to abandon the weak and survive by sacrificing a few. That's cruelty manifesting as collaboration.
      One of my favorite quotes on this subject is that, if they could, a 2-year-old would kill you for a cookie. We don't teach children to be evil, we have to teach them to suppress their evil, self-interested nature. We do this not because we want what is best for them, but we do it out of self-preservation. We don't want to raise generations of psychopaths. We want some cookies, too.

  • @thepeopleslast2579
    @thepeopleslast2579 หลายเดือนก่อน +1175

    I had to take a second and compose myself after you said, "some people seeing the games as risky - but doable - escape from poverty" because it's just like the military. I come from a place that is mostly in poverty, I think the rate a couple years ago was 80% of families where I lived were under poverty, and I saw it play out everyday. Areas like mine are targeted by the military with tactics that focus on "saving your family".They show up to your school and they ask you if you want to take care of your mom, or siblings, or if you want to go to college. They show you all the ways you could escape, if you only lay down your life and risk yourself. You too can be a hero for the low low cost of your sanity and life.
    Edit: Even careers are a perfect depiction of the other side of the coin to army recruting.
    All of this sealed by the fact that you're no longer allowed to join the military once you're a full adult. I know the reasoning but its just very curious that most places stop wanting you after your brain is probably fully developed.

    • @KazKindred613
      @KazKindred613 หลายเดือนก่อน +177

      Anecdote: I went to an underfunded Philadelphia public high school, majority black and otherwise not white students. We had an "Army day" that was so surreal I felt nauseous the entire time. It was clearly recruitment nonsense, but dressed up in "do these fun exercises with your friends. If you like it you should sign up for the military!!!". There was so much about free college and employment benefits, and absolutely nothing about how it's... you know. The goddamn US MILITARY. Everyone who went through 1. Had to sign up and give their contact info to the military recruiters. 2. Got DOG TAGS at the end of the obstacle course. Genuinely one of the most disgusting things I've ever witnessed, I was so viscerally angry. And it was so so clear they were targeting a population that couldn't know any better. They were targeting 15-18 year olds with poverty and dysfunctional families. Preying on peoples' desperation is especially disgusting.

    • @bellaroo5508
      @bellaroo5508 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

      winter's bone (2010) also has jennifer lawrence trying to escape generational poverty in a rural area (plot point was considering the military). very interesting parallel between these two movies

    • @t.k.griffin1315
      @t.k.griffin1315 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @ bellaroo5508
      Daniel Woodrell was born and now lives in the Missouri Ozarks. He left school and enlisted in the Marines the week he turned seventeen.
      Some of the events in Winter’s Bone happened in his life according to an article I briefly perused.

    • @TheFiown
      @TheFiown 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Something they played upon during the horrible fake Vietnam war where they shipped in thousands of poor and black kids to be canon fodder knowing that they would not survive as they didn't have the drive to survive and were probably too empathic given that they were all in the same situation. This way the military used their death numbers to scare other more 'valuable' soldiers to go in a fight and leave behind any of their own empathy when taking revenge.

    • @rapperx9820
      @rapperx9820 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Where are you from?

  • @raghar3546
    @raghar3546 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    "We can make you pretend to enjoy it " wow what a fantastic description..pretty much sums up social media

  • @MeLMeLMox
    @MeLMeLMox หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    at 24:15 "star crossed lovers" means love will end tragically,this implies that they predict that they'll both die anyways further glorifying their death for the capital's intertainment

  • @bigj1905
    @bigj1905 หลายเดือนก่อน +1549

    I like how the Third Quarter Quell, in Snow’s arrogance and need to eliminate Katniss, violates a lot of these rules:
    1. It showed the victors were still only slaves to the capital, despite their better status within their districts.
    2. The extra ‘rewards’ are now gone. The only thing they have to gain is their lives, but they all know that even if they win, their lives still won’t be their own, so what’s the point?
    3. They can all relate to each other much more easily. Their from different districts, but they have all suffered and been punished by the Capital, so their is a more natural unity between them.
    4. They have, in many ways, become masters of manipulating the Capital, and by putting them all in the same place, it made it so much so that it made creating and planning a rebellion that much easier.

    • @Landis963
      @Landis963 หลายเดือนก่อน +219

      Put that way, I'm reminded that the Quarter Quell gimmick of having returning champions might have been Heavensbee's idea - a subtle, sneaky nod to his ulterior motive.

    • @evaroovers4871
      @evaroovers4871 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

      Heavensbee was a master for suggesting the idea to Snow.

    • @IMU23588
      @IMU23588 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      They did not give the capitol much of a choice. The capitol could not allow people to see that it's power can be defied again. As for snow, he saw Lucy in Katniss and that haunted him. He just wanted her dead

    • @ariel6574
      @ariel6574 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      great points! and i can't help but think that after years of being victors and mentors, they all knew each other and some of them were friends!! so they were much more likely to care for the others, even in the arena

    • @IMU23588
      @IMU23588 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@ariel6574 And that's why the capitol had to show people, that even victors can't afford to be kind, can't afford to do whatever they want

  • @aria5614
    @aria5614 หลายเดือนก่อน +1124

    If you dump a bunch of random strangers in the woods with a book of survival techniques, they'll pull together and help each other survive. It would'nt be a utopia, people are still people, but they wouldn't start mercilessly killing each other either.

    • @jauxro
      @jauxro หลายเดือนก่อน +225

      that's why the Capitol kills those who refuse to fight, and offer rewards

    • @annistar9693
      @annistar9693 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Have you read lord of the flies

    • @papillondumonde7887
      @papillondumonde7887 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      I come from a country where there was genocide. Neighbors killing each other. So I disagree. We're all evil to some degree.

    • @yourshoulderdevil5229
      @yourshoulderdevil5229 หลายเดือนก่อน +200

      ​@@annistar9693 Lord of the Flies is fictional and wasn't meant to be a critique of human nature in the way people usually use it. It was actually about the meaninglessness of war, and the man who wrote it made almost everything up and it wasn't really based on any real situations.
      Additionally, a situation similar to Lord of the Flies happened in real life and all the people apart of it worked together and survived.

    • @elisebrown5157
      @elisebrown5157 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

      @@yourshoulderdevil5229 I was just going to say this. It was even kids who all pulled together and survived. We aren't inherently evil, there are just ways the evil side can win in certain circumstances.

  • @SamI_Am
    @SamI_Am หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    One thing I love about this book series is its complexities in just about everything my favorite example is Finnick Odair.
    A character that a lot of people seen to adore, they always say his death was pointles and had no purpose.
    Exactly, but by his death being pointless it did serve a purpose.
    Finnick serves as the ultimate example that war is ruthless and does not care how good you were, how hard you fought, how much you endured, that you were so close to the end, it doesn't care if you helped create a victory and you want to see it, you just got married, you had a child on the way...
    It doesn't care. He was so close to the end and yet he died anyway, to show that death is ultimately unforgiving and often without reason.
    74 (not including the 3rd quarter quell since they were existing victors) hunger games with 75 victors but only 7 survived.
    75 PEOPLE. 75 lives, just for only 7 to make it out.
    I love how brutal and complex Susan wrote these books and truly showed that the world is complicated.

    • @mariposa9506
      @mariposa9506 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What 75 are you talking about? What math is this?

    • @runyinggao
      @runyinggao 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      one victor per year, 75 victors for 75 years. some of the early ones likely died to old age but the point still stands.​@@mariposa9506

    • @aimee0-1
      @aimee0-1 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mariposa9506they’re talking about the number of victors since there are 74 games.

    • @naviro6672
      @naviro6672 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      And on top of that... How many of these 7 victors are broken in one way or an other...
      Katniss feels hollow
      Peeta is brainwashed
      Haymitch is an alcoholic
      Anni mentally broken
      Beete sits in a wheelchair
      Johanna is scared
      Enobaria idk
      Thats the second tragedy

  • @lauriensnijers2322
    @lauriensnijers2322 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    the horiffic thing is that in this current world you have to put aside your empathy to survive yourself. Nobody wants to exploid workers in china by buying from shein, but they can't afford good clothing, nobody wants to put others down but sometimes you have to just to survive

    • @Daniela-ov9dw
      @Daniela-ov9dw 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think it's the opposite actually. Buying from Shein makes you complicit for the cruelty to the workers. Amplified by how most clothes from shein are just temporarily in trend and terrible quality. People buy from Shein to mostly stay in trend, and turn a blind eye to the cruelty of doing so. And then justify it by talking about how hard it is to buy clothes even though you could easily spend the same amount of money of multiple, soon to be out of fashion, terrible quality plastic clothes, for one or two high quality pieces that are timeless and last years. But no, People prioritze shein for the sake of feeling beautiful over the livelihood of the workers and uyghurs, a ethnicity going through a genocide. People who buy from Shein are the capitol in this scenario, make no mistake.

  • @excessivelyfangirlingbookw3339
    @excessivelyfangirlingbookw3339 หลายเดือนก่อน +1037

    I just realised watching your part about mentors: Haymitch could have been at most 17 yo when he participated and won.
    I mean, I already felt sympathy and grief for this grown man who is clearly suffering but to imagine that a *17* year old had to immediately begin coaching the year after nearly dying is…. Unimaginable.

    • @spider-woman9482
      @spider-woman9482 หลายเดือนก่อน +203

      It makes me feel bad for previously laughing at his alcoholism. But to be fair, the movies def wrote it through a comedic lense :/ I should know better, that when a person has good comedic wit, they are also good at masking their pain with the same ability.
      Plus, I remember how people said he always smelled bad, and him insisting that he bathes. Stress hormones make your natural odor smell very unpleasant.

    • @Pa5an1
      @Pa5an1 หลายเดือนก่อน +220

      Exactly, and until Katniss and Peeta there weren’t any other victors from district 12. So he just watched two people he had to mentor die year after year. And as he grew older, those kids looked younger and younger to him. When I was a teen, 18-year-olds were full adults to me. Now I’m in my 30s and they’re so young.
      Trying to be the distant a…hole was probably his way of protecting himself. If the tributes don’t like him and he doesn’t like them, he won’t suffer as much once they inevitably die.
      On the other hand it might be even harder to deny those kids the only support they have. Of course they cling to him like they’re drowning cause they pretty much are.
      I think I’d be drinking too

    • @chanbang378
      @chanbang378 หลายเดือนก่อน +111

      I think Haymitch was 16, I could be wrong on that but i remember it being said in the book but that could’ve been Katniss speculating I don’t remember.
      It’s worse too because not only did he almost die and experience that trauma, his whole family was killed 2 weeks after because he won in a rebellious way so he had to mentor other kids with so much trauma and losing his family… like I can’t imagine how he managed to go on, I don’t blame him for becoming an alcoholic it’s the only way he could stand to be alive. He definitely would’ve tried his best to help the other kids but it would be so difficult to witness kids you’ve mentored die year after year, especially being from district 12, the odds are not in your favour at all. No wonder he basically gave up.

    • @chanbang378
      @chanbang378 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

      @@spider-woman9482also yeah, the movies are amazing but I don’t think the movies showed how bad Haymitch’s alcoholism is. It was more comedic and he seemed more put together movie wise. Whereas book wise people think he isn’t as likeable because he could be very mean a lot of the time, and his withdrawals are bad. You could feel how much of a struggle it is for him, and even after the war he never stops his drinking either

    • @marieroberts5664
      @marieroberts5664 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      IIRC, Haymitch was 14, one of, if not the youngest Victor of the games. Because he used the containment barrier against his opponent, allowing the girl to kill herself accidentally, the game makers needed to punish him for using their set against them, it made too much of a statement. So then they killed his family and his 'girl' friend to keep him in line, friendless and alone.
      And now with ABOSBAS out, it's even clearer that Snow wanted revenge against District 12... Nothing good (for him) could come from 12. Every other District had multiple winners, even the other poor districts like 11... But Haymitch had no one to prepare him, and from then on, he was the only one to be able to help out, but with the raw material he would have most years, it would be a losing proposition. And one that I bet Snow fostered against 12 as a whole, even before Katniss arrived to upend the rule he'd so carefully created and maintained.
      EDIT - I was wrong about Haymitch's age; he was 16 - thanks to the commenter who corrected me.

  • @charmainen8475
    @charmainen8475 หลายเดือนก่อน +1245

    i never noticed the chain of kindness weaving through the story. it makes absolute sense that it was Snow's downfall. It is something he could never envision especially after Gaul groomed him and it became a threat he couldn't prevent or stop.
    Also Gaul and her personal trolley problems is such a good way to explain it. She does the same thing when grooming Coryo; she put him in trolley problems over and over again, and gets insanely good at getting the outcome she wants, then attributes his actions, the outcome she engineered as a "characteristic of humanity undressed".
    Suzanne Collin's work on Nickelodeon and in the entertainement industry, the way she writes about the treatment of children in media, which she must have seen with her own eyes is.....when the nick docuseries came out, and rereading catching fire, the links between what we read about Finnick and the other victims and what we see on tv right now, i wonder how long it's going to take us and the entertainement industry to stop exploiting these poor children. Man, Suzanne Collins, the author that you are!
    Thanks for putting into words why I love these books so much. This is an incredible essay. Well done!

    • @UmbraKrameri
      @UmbraKrameri หลายเดือนก่อน +111

      I feel like Finnick's storyline is so underrated, because prostitution is a really hard topic to talk about, especially to a younger audience. I never considered the Nickelodeon connection, but in light of the recent developments it can very well be an inspiration.

    • @VesperOfRoses
      @VesperOfRoses หลายเดือนก่อน +98

      I had no idea Collins worked for Nickelodeon but... wow that contextualizes so much

  • @StrawberrySauce64
    @StrawberrySauce64 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    The Hunger Games kind of remind me of something my Drama teacher told me a few years ago “To be an actor you have to act like your audience to be relatable. To be famous in the eyes of perfect you have to sacrifice others and most of always yourself. One day the role you play the most, will eventually be you.”

  • @0denku0
    @0denku0 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I didn't see you touch on this but I thought to mention that the capitol owns you even after you *die*. In the books it is described how all of the arenas are preserved in perfect condition. How it is all staged to show the tributes' deaths. That's why their bodies get taken away - to be embalmed and showcased for tours to the people of the capitol.
    Theres also the obvious lack of consent you'd expect but the way as a tribute and victor you lack autonomy over everything down to your death is exhausting. The makeover scenes always rubbed me as wrong. How the tributes are seen as nothing but product to be stripped and cleaned and viewed and made perfecr. Katniss was 16 laying on a surgical table makes being fussed over with tweezers by strange adults. And she couldn't even complain because she didn't want to jeopardise her chances at victory. After the 74 game where they are airlifted out she's put in a medical coma. They fix her ear and I believe Haymich has to stop them from giving her unconscious body a goddamn BOOB JOB.

    • @renzaluski1385
      @renzaluski1385 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The bodies are actually sent back to their parents, but your explanation fits disturbingly well.

    • @0denku0
      @0denku0 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@renzaluski1385 yes sorry I misremembered what actually happens is that the game grounds get preserved as they were and tourists get to take part in re-enactments of the deaths

  • @DS-wp2dj
    @DS-wp2dj หลายเดือนก่อน +1006

    Just as you said "if you honor your own humanity, you doom yourself", an ad came on of a teenage-looking influencer twirling and smiling in a red fast-fashion dress and it just fit that moment perfectly

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +220

      horrific frankly

    • @connor5268
      @connor5268 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

      Sometimes, I absolutely love the TH-cam algorithm. Sometimes, I abhor how much it has deduced.

    • @RED-my9hl
      @RED-my9hl หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      it's just a clothing ad 😂 "im 14 and this is deep" 💀

    • @Grey_3438
      @Grey_3438 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

      ​@@RED-my9hlbegging you to use what few brain cells you have floating around in your head and think critically about the world around you

    • @RED-my9hl
      @RED-my9hl หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Grey_3438 omg im a yty 14 year old and this is so deeeeeeeeeeep bro

  • @AlumAssocHunter
    @AlumAssocHunter หลายเดือนก่อน +666

    This is a brilliant analysis of the story. The movies did an excellent job of translating the books to the screen, but I always regret one of the small things they left out: that after Rue's death, Rue's district sent Katnis BREAD. In the book Katnis figures out it's from District 11 because of the type of bread it is: what it's made of and how each district has different. 'signature' bread if you will, due to what they have available to them to make bread from. The idea that a district of extremely poor people pooled their resources to they could send the girl who survived an attack that killed one of their own children is a HUGE step at the idea that people are starting to see other districts as not their enemy. It's a show of solidarity among people who are expected to view each other as rivals, as enemies. It was one of the most powerful moments in the books, for me, and I was so sad they didn't put it in the film. I understand why they did it, since it would have been hard to translate Katnis's point of view narrative that gives most of the information about that event, so the screen where we can't hear her thoughts. It's a logical thing to leave out. But I'm sad nonetheless.

    • @DavidMadrigalHernandez
      @DavidMadrigalHernandez หลายเดือนก่อน +98

      What’s also interesting about that bread scene: the only reason Katniss even KNEW what each district’s “signature bread” was is because she was taught about them by Peeta. In a way, its also a sign that she was willing to actually listen and learn from Peeta (and could have also alluded to her liking him enough to be interested in learning something from him)

    • @Pirates.27
      @Pirates.27 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Yes thank you for making me remember this! Such a powerfull moment. They made other scenes from different points of view in the movies, so I don't understand why not to include this tho.

    • @dandelionwitch3155
      @dandelionwitch3155 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      ​@@Pirates.27it's mostly time screen sadly. because for the bread scene to happen you need an introduction to the types of bread and Peeta needs to talk about it. Or have a way of showing the viewer this. Because of a simple rule: "do not assume other people are on the same page" so they can't just go and show them a piece of bread to Katniss and say "Rue's family sent it to you" because also, that makes it lose meaning. The idea that she paid attention to Peeta. To other districts. To all that. Needs screen time. And sometimes it's better to cut off things. 😢

    • @Pirates.27
      @Pirates.27 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@dandelionwitch3155 makes sense to me. There was not much time to even introduce the other districts apart from one liners in the carriage scene so most people who didn't read the book would not even remember the significance of the d11 and that they are agricultural.

    • @YouveBeenMegged
      @YouveBeenMegged 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Also, the fact that she is able to figure out which district it came from, due to seeing it in the Capitol, and specifically says “my thanks to *the people of District 11”* to the camera. Not just “Rue’s family.” The *people.* They could see that she saw them, acknowledged them, _remembered them,_ and that probably meant a lot.

  • @anagramm9242
    @anagramm9242 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Especially in the context of "kindness is innate and human and we can suppress it but it can't be killed", Katniss is a great protagonist. Because, in the beginning, she doesn't think about staying human. From the beginning on, Peeta cares. Peeta wants not to lose himself. Peeta has a kind of moral compass he wants to keep. Katniss doesn't care about this kind of thing. She herself says that she'll do everything it takes to survive. And /yet she is kind/. She cares for Rue. She worries about Peeta even after before it is announced there can be two victors. And in the end, she is the one who makes the decision to end Cato's sufferings and the one who is /more able to empathize with and grieve for Thrash than Peeta/.
    And this is something that goes well through the entire series. She tries to be selfish. She tries only to care about herself and the ones closest to her. But she /can't/. She can't play the Capitol's games, even though she /actively tries/. She can't leave behind who she is, and no matter how broken and bruised she is and how helpless she feels and how much she /doesn't want to be kind/, she still is. She is the one who refuses to ally with career tributes in th 75th games. She is the one who demands Beetee and Wiress and even Maggs (who very clearly has no really "useful" skills that will ensure her survival) while Peeta manages to be more pragmatic.
    Katniss is not nice or friendly or soft. But she is /kind/.

    • @obehiikhigbonoaremen1241
      @obehiikhigbonoaremen1241 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Would you also say that despite being soft and friendly, Peeta is very pragmatic and tactical??? Because I certainly believe so.

  • @ctdaniels7049
    @ctdaniels7049 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    In a vast and indifferent universe,
    you can choose
    to be kind.

  • @omaimaf9963
    @omaimaf9963 หลายเดือนก่อน +748

    It’s ironic how I thought that the hunger games was pure fantasy, that no human being would be able to justify innocent especially children’s deaths while watching it live, the last seven months proved me wrong.

    • @sarasamaletdin4574
      @sarasamaletdin4574 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      If you mean war, that’s not same as reality tv. There has been plenty to others wars, like Syria and Yemen have had wars since Arab spring in 2011 and those don’t get much attention anymore.

    • @LineOfThy
      @LineOfThy หลายเดือนก่อน +122

      @@sarasamaletdin4574 war is reality tv. that's the point.

    • @gijskramer1702
      @gijskramer1702 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@LineOfThy with the way its covered yes. Ukrain is starving for attention because they know once europe and us lose interrest they lose acces to weapons. That is why, only when there is nothing happening in the world you hear of the civil war in myanmar, sudan, yemen etc.

    • @Lesbianlichen
      @Lesbianlichen หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@sarasamaletdin4574
      The Palestinian genocide that's currently going on is being treated like reality TV by many people. I've seen many horrendous comments that are downright gleeful talking about the death of innocent children.

    • @RED-my9hl
      @RED-my9hl หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      really? only the last 7 months? are you 15 years old?

  • @nora2870
    @nora2870 หลายเดือนก่อน +769

    i loved the part where you talked about compassion and empathy rippling outward and that being the downfall of the games. snow tries to discredit katniss and the rebellion by describing katniss as just "another face plucked from the masses"... but he doesn't understand that that's exactly what gives her power. katniss is from the poorest part of the poorest district. she is another child, just like the many children of the districts, faced with misfortune and poverty. and the district people see themselves in her. one of my favorite parts in the books was when district 11, struggling and poor, sent katniss a roll of bread after she mourned and humanized rue in the games.
    i also appreciate you touching on how effie is sincere in believing that the games are a symbol of the capitol's generosity, and how capitol citizens, while to a much lesser extent, are oppressed as well. in the books, katniss genuinely cares for her stylists, as morbid as they are, because she sees them as naive and weak, and recognizes how while they are complicit in the games, they are desensitized to all the violence. the district people and the capitol citizens are oppressed in two different ways. capitol citizens have to yield their power to snow in exchange for their "bread and entertainment" or "panem et circenses" and if they step out of line, they can be executed just like seneca or cinna.

    • @megancastle5573
      @megancastle5573 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

      Oh you reminded me of the scene in catching fire where katniss' styling team has to leave the room one by one because they can't stop crying. Even THEY see it as cruel to send someone they thought was safe to care about back in, but still have to do their job.

    • @jessieornot6121
      @jessieornot6121 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      i believe katniss describes them as something along the lines of colorful, odd pets or birds or something like that, which describes them pretty well

  • @meeblemoo565
    @meeblemoo565 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    It makes me think about growing up middle class, and my dad carefully teaching me how to not give money to people asking for it on the street. All the rehearsed lies, fed to me and other people of my class in order to reduce that instinctive empathy. Versus now, all my many friends who are poor demonstrate so, so much more compassion.
    Being wealthy requires a lack of empathy. Because if you were empathetic, you wouldn't be wealthy anymore, you'd have shared it all with others who need it.

    • @mariposa9506
      @mariposa9506 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you saying no one uses that money for drugs? Why do you think it's lies?

    • @TheHypnosBunny
      @TheHypnosBunny 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mariposa9506 Man, you have things to say about everything don't you? Pro Tip: shut the fuck up once in a while.

  • @Elizabeth-hc3mi
    @Elizabeth-hc3mi หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Katniss had an incredible ability to see past societal and circumstancal pressure to always treat others with dignity. From the way she refused to kill Peeta and Rue, to how she took care of her prep team in district 13.
    Katniss brought down the games twice. Once with the berries, and the second by killing Coin in part to prevent a capital Hunger Games.
    She was amazingly empathetic and shockingly peaceful.

    • @TheBridget272
      @TheBridget272 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      She wasn't just preventing another Hunger Games. She could see that Coin was yet another tyrant and that the tyranny wouldn't stop after that "final" Capitol Hunger Games.

  • @Zxykary
    @Zxykary หลายเดือนก่อน +585

    I wish Suzanne would write more books about the other games, but she said she only ever writes them when she has commentary on philosophy, etc. I also unfortunately think the response to Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes will make Lionsgate less likely to blindly accept a movie deal like they did when the prequel was announced. This series has so much MORE potential that I doubt we’ll ever get to see because everyone’s so worried about it not being “as good” as the original trilogy, which is an impossible bar and we should just move on and explore what else there is that can be told about the world of Panem.

    • @Garage-Catto
      @Garage-Catto หลายเดือนก่อน +108

      I never got the hate both the film and the book got. They are both extremely well written in their own right. When both the book and film were announced the fans were furious because Snow, the villain who we all hate, was the protagonist and not someone more loved like Haymitch. The film especially received hate because people thought it was just another cash-grab poorly written attempt at reviving the franchise like many other studios have done recently, completely forgetting about the book. Now people want a Haymitch film to be made, I can see it happening because Haymitch was the prequel protagonist a lot of the fans wanted.

    • @Zxykary
      @Zxykary หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      @@Garage-Catto Honestly I wish we’d get an anthology Show where each Season is a different Games and the audience has no way to know who wins. Maybe start it with the 11th, hop forward to the 25th, 30-and-40-somethings, and have it lead into the Haymitch Film. Plus, those are early enough where they won’t disrupt Canon too much. You could even bring in the same Actors for cameos, I can’t remember when the Epilogue said Snow got rid of Gaul, but they could feature that and the breakdown of his and Tigris’ relationship, etc.
      The only thing I hate about THG Films is how they got rid of Madge and the Undersee/Donner families, it hurts any future story about the Second Quell.

    • @ididitoutofspite986
      @ididitoutofspite986 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      I'm happy un was about Snow
      I mean, sure, Haymitch is cool and all, but I love that we got to take a look at what was brewing in Snow's mind
      It's one of the few books/movies where we get to know the villain without them being washed clean (looking at you, Disney)
      I did empathize with Snow somewhat but at the end of the day despite me UNDERATANDING this point of view there was no doubt he's I'm the wrong

    • @bennelong8451
      @bennelong8451 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Honestly after the Star Wars sequel trilogy we should just be happy they aren’t making sequels

    • @ididitoutofspite986
      @ididitoutofspite986 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @bennelong8451 yes!
      The sequels ruined the franchise for me

  • @sugarsunshineandcarbs
    @sugarsunshineandcarbs หลายเดือนก่อน +353

    I think that The Hunger Games is a perfect analogy of the soullessness of how celebrities are created, they are turned into a spectacle, chewed up then spat out, no matter what cruelty they're put through or what cruelty they themselves are guilty of they're expected to put on a show and become dehumanised

    • @maryv5815
      @maryv5815 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I think this is something a lot of people don't get about Taylor Swift. Whether you enjoy her music or not, her grip on sanity and empathy is insanely good considering what she's been through. Her documentary "Miss Americana" is a really, really good watch.

  • @sunningdale3478
    @sunningdale3478 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I think a key point of the tesserae/food ticket system is that it splits up the rich and poor within the districts even more than they actually are. Richer people (even though they are not that well off) feel like they could have it worse, and are incentivized to stay complacent as to not be sent into poverty or worse. Poor people have to rely on the tesserae, sending their kids into a yearly drawing with increased odds that could end in their likely death. In the books this is a much bigger issue, with Gale being bitter towards the mayor's daughter for not having to take out tesserae. It stops the 'rich' and poor in each district from realizing that they have a lot more in common with each other and working together to end the system. This message could also be extended to our own society as well.

  • @CamJames
    @CamJames 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    top-notch analysis. a lot of commenters on our videos dive into the topic or their personal stories but your script deserves praise in and of itself.

  • @liliaeth
    @liliaeth หลายเดือนก่อน +355

    When you were talking about Cesar Flickerman, I couldn't help think of something in the books. Where Katniss thought back on how Cesar would during his interviews get the tributes to tell personal things about themselves. Like how one girl told him about playing piano. And then the capitol put piano strings in the cornucopia as a weapon. Allowing another tribute to kill the girl in question with said piano strings. Another way to dehumanize the tributes, and making any personal thing about them as something that can be used against them.
    Especially when you then think about how victors were supposed to have an 'interest' that was then focused on in their victory tour, as a part of turning them into celebrities, another form of dehumanizing them.

  • @lunchbrush
    @lunchbrush หลายเดือนก่อน +361

    Another thing, exchanging goods for more odds of getting reaped is an incentive for districts to keep having children and not a district suddenly dissapear. People need children to exchange goods because there is an age limit.

    • @Marialla.
      @Marialla. หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      OH wow I never thought of that! All through the books Katniss keeps saying she never wants to marry or have children because she'd never watch one go through that. I always wondered why everyone didn't have her same attitude. But then again, tesserae weren't a generous portion. I don't think it would offset the cost of having children to feed all year.

    • @blueberry_lemon
      @blueberry_lemon หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      @@Marialla. I looked at the Hunger Games wiki page on tessera to refresh a bit. Katniss' family struggled a lot, she took a tessera for herself, her mother, and her sister every year since she was 12. You could only take one per family member, and the yearly entries carried over into each year. I remember part of the shock of Primrose being reaped was because she never took a tessera.
      Maybe the stress over the years of being her family's caretaker, risking her life for grain and illegal hunting, is what made her not want kids, not wanting them to have to take the same risks to feed her.
      I realized, the year Katniss volunteered, neither of the chosen tributes ever took a tessera - Primrose had Katniss, and Peeta had the bakery. Even though Katniss had 20 entries that year, Gale had 42 (he was the oldest of 4, and had his mother), and other children with more family members could have had even more entries than them.
      I wonder how other families in District 12 were. If most children end up taking tessera for their whole family, I think that would put less pressure on each individual child.

    • @Moocow2003
      @Moocow2003 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      That's so interesting to think about.. I think it also gives the Capitol, and the tributes, an illusion of personal responsibility. The tributes chose to take out tesserae, knowing this could happen to them. It absolves the Capitol of part of the responsibility for the Reapings.
      of course, if they have tesserae to give out then they have the resources to supply the Districts with more food than they actually do. this is just another form of population control.

  • @MaidMirawyn
    @MaidMirawyn หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The Hunger Games represent the best of dystopian fiction… and it’s written for a YA audience.
    In my opinion, the best dystopian fiction combines the grim reality of their present day with real hope. It can’t be easy, but it has be possible.
    And Katniss is perfect for it, because she is imperfect. She is, at heart, a good and caring person. But she has been beaten and brutalized by the world she lives in. Despite it all, that seed is in her. Even when she’s broken and her soul has been torn apart, that goodness and mercy is in her heart. She can be rude; she can be selfish; she can be impatient. But she is a good person, despite it all.
    That’s the beauty in the dark-that in the darkest of times, human love, compassion, intelligence, and determination can make a real and lasting difference. It can change everything.
    Incidentally, I think that’s the same thing that makes the original Star Wars so brilliant.

  • @Eileeleedon
    @Eileeleedon หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The Hunger Games is one of the few series where the main character having a child at the end actually means something extremely significant. Even in our real world, I feel uncomfortable forcing a child into it. So imagine, after all that trauma, still knowing that the world was finally safe enough to have a child, means something real.

    • @janelleg597
      @janelleg597 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Have you read history?? It has never been easier to raise children. We are surrounded by food and shelter

    • @TheHypnosBunny
      @TheHypnosBunny 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@janelleg597 there are children dying in schools, and you say this is easy?

  • @naiaddore1797
    @naiaddore1797 หลายเดือนก่อน +406

    These books and movies remind me that terrible things can befall a society if two conditions are allowed to persist; apathy and nihilism. When people are inundated with horrible things on a daily basis, eventually empathy becomes exhausted and people become more apathetic. Then that apathy can be used as a tool to whittle down people's hope for the future to a point that nihilism sets in and when the majority of a society is filled with both, that's when evil can take over. As the saying goes: "All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing."
    Now I'm not saying that this will happen to everyone, there's always going to be some who have the mental fortitude to stand against it, but it makes it harder to fight when the majority is overwhelmed with those two factors.

    • @beneesodeinde5170
      @beneesodeinde5170 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

      I truly believe that’s exactly what’s happening right now Palestine, Congo, Myanmar, the Uighur Muslim concentration camps in China, Sudan etc these wars are all ongoing and when you research why it’s just as pointless as the games and we all watch a lot of the evil and violence in the world go on and even if you do care there is a feeling of hopelessness because once you start caring where can you stop? So for many it feels like apathy is the only way to survive.

    • @johannageisel5390
      @johannageisel5390 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@beneesodeinde5170 Very true.
      There is so much horror going on in the world, and the world itself is being destroyed along with the future of humanity. But you have to deal with your own problems too and there is only a tiny bit of energy left to maybe do something, but you exactly that this tiny bit will change exactly nothing. Because the governments already don't care about you, so how would you try and convince them to do anything?

    • @tiffanywyatt5137
      @tiffanywyatt5137 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Y'all complain and do nothing to help lol

  • @angrycrab5501
    @angrycrab5501 หลายเดือนก่อน +327

    Something I noticed about the "love story" aspect of the games is how it's portrayed in the movies. When peeta and katniss aren't truly in love their surroundings and clothes are dull and grey and dark and when they are in love or when someone is like finicky and Annie they are in bright light and clothes

    • @janelleg597
      @janelleg597 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes. Completely on purpose.

  • @savvyhowe1646
    @savvyhowe1646 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

    I got an ad encouraging me to donate to Gaza and I can't help but see parallels to what's happening in the world and what happens in this story

    • @mariposa9506
      @mariposa9506 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Like when snow took all the capitols own children, wouldn't let them evacuate somewhere safe from the coming onslaught the rebels were bringing and used them as human shields?

    • @savvyhowe1646
      @savvyhowe1646 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mariposa9506 Like when people in power use conflict among their people for their own political gain. Like when governments desensitize people to violence so we're indifferent to the suffering of innocent people. Like when people try to justify oppression by saying "both sides are bad" when, sure, violence shouldn't ever the first choice, but one side is clearly worse than the other, and the other side has been suffering for decades at the hands of their oppressors. It's scary how much fiction imitates reality in the case of Hunger Games.

  • @jurassiccraft883
    @jurassiccraft883 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    honestly the way the hunger games mimics reality so unfathomably closely while still being so far removed fascinates me. like I don't think we would do this as a society today but I could see an approximation of it where the stakes are not so high.

  • @poenpotzu2865
    @poenpotzu2865 หลายเดือนก่อน +732

    As much as people have been critical of the love triangle I do appreciate the Hunger Games portraying the politics of media ans performance reinforcing the social norms and economic status quo.

    • @tjardmeyer9209
      @tjardmeyer9209 หลายเดือนก่อน +136

      I think the love triangle in hunger games is actually really well done. Mostly because it doesn’t really exist in the same way most do, there is no question of who will be picked or some dumb will they or won’t they dance. At no point in the story does Katniss have any romantic feelings about Gale all of the tension in it comes from Gales side of things. It’s actually a pretty good subversion of the typical love triangle you see in YA. It’s also worth noting that she really doesn’t develop much in the way of feelings for Peter (or at least doesn’t realize she has) until they are out of the games. It’s not until the cameras are off and they both are trying to heal and forget that any real relationship begins to form.

    • @upsetstudios1819
      @upsetstudios1819 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

      I personally never saw it as a love triangle. Gale represented home and peace and forests and hunting, a quiet future where Katniss could one day braid Prim's hair for her wedding day.
      Peeta cared deeply for Katniss, and her for him. But for most of the book, she's a traumatized teenager. Romantic love isn't a priority when she's so busy trying not to die or trying to prevent her loved ones from dying.

    • @Ahoyyy_apri
      @Ahoyyy_apri หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      I think the live triangle works well as a metaphor,partly because Katniss doesn’t seem to ever actually have romantic feelings for either throughout the book; with Peeta it was a show she put on to survive and with Gale it was basically her trying to do what she thinks he wanted bc she’s scared of loosing him, and outright rejection may do that. But as a metaphor, they represent the two reactions she could ace: Gale is angry, vengeful, and doesn’t care that in order to make them pay he has to sink down on their level. Peeta represents peace and hope, because he is kind and diplomatic. I think the fact it’s a metaphor and the fact that, even though she does care for both in some capacity, she didn’t like either of them romantically for the majority of the books makes it sets it apart from a typical love triangle trope

    • @sarahlandis289
      @sarahlandis289 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      Yeah it's interesting because Katniss is in survival mode for nearly the whole trilogy so feeling romantic towards anybody is out of the question, there's no room in her brain for it because she's too busy just trying to survive

    • @plaplaks
      @plaplaks หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Was it ever even a love triangle. Katniss didn’t even like gale like that and he barely had screentime anyway

  • @Kangakool
    @Kangakool หลายเดือนก่อน +217

    I encountered a fascinating phenomenon. When watching the original Hunger Games (the 74th), we the audience for the most part only really empathize with Katniss and Peeta, the characters we have followed and know best. The only real exception is Rue, because Katniss cares about her. The other characters are for the most part are unknown, and so we don’t feel for them quite as much.
    But when i saw the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, that all change. The movie put us behind the scenes with them. We saw kids with disabilities. We got to see and hear their fears and complaints. My boyfriend sobbed for the girl with Down Syndrome.
    Humanizing makes death hurt. Sensationalizing it makes you numb to it.

    • @lary_uwu6027
      @lary_uwu6027 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah i feel like the Ballad of Songbirds ajd Serpents showed way more how cruel the games are than the THG trilogy (IN THE MOVIES, the book was fine), which makes sense on how the main thg games was focused on the love triangle, meanwhile in tbosas you're just "GIRL HE'S BAD GET OUT OF THIS RELATIONSHIP" the whole way and it let's you focus on the actual worldbuilding
      However I will say as a child I always sympathized with foxface too, but Katniss also does in some moments so it could've helped, another thing is that Katniss herself doesn't focus a lot on the others as much as herself, she's more introvert than Lucy Gray so she doesn't notice other people as much.
      Its just so interesting on how different both books are ciskhakcj

  • @penelopelandon
    @penelopelandon หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Our society is so good at take empathy already, this is basically where we're headed minutes the pomp and people don't even care. Met gala this year was going on in direct timing with atrocities beyond imagining.

    • @runyinggao
      @runyinggao 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yes!! the met gala was a chilling parallel to the hunger games. beautiful, perfect people with their perfect little lives parading around in extravegant costumes while the intertet fawned and obsessed over them, while their very own governments are commiting atrocities across the water.

  • @beesbrownies
    @beesbrownies หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The parallel of Thresh saving Katniss because she saved Rue vs. Thresh killing Clove because she helped kill/ mocked the death of Rue, and that's why Cato killed Thresh, and then Katniss kills Cato, and Clove tried to kill Katniss... real, actual empathy versus forced violence, and the very real effects of both...

  • @freddytang2128
    @freddytang2128 หลายเดือนก่อน +206

    As a big survivor fan, I can't help but notice some parallels between survivor and hunger games. At one point in a reunion show, a survivor player said that the show might be entertaining to the viewers, but there's real people involved and real relationships ruined. And the audience booed her and she had to leave.

    • @XanderMatthews-nv9zf
      @XanderMatthews-nv9zf หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Jerri Manthey, god forbid she tell Keith he can’t cook rice.
      That shit looked like wallapaper paste

  • @edra2005
    @edra2005 หลายเดือนก่อน +219

    Snow: "Im the true villain of the hunger games"
    Coin: "no i am"
    Dr. Gaul: *laughs in evil*

    • @bradleyadams5252
      @bradleyadams5252 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yeah, my personal headcanon for Gaul's fate is that one of her mutts managed to get out of containment, demonstrating it's enhanced hunting methods on its creator...

  • @bladudemovies
    @bladudemovies 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The lyric regarding “meeting” someone at the hanging tree still gives chills. It’s such image powerful solidarity and shared struggle.

  • @outlast_the_night7727
    @outlast_the_night7727 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I'm rewatching rn and at the chapter about the volunteer system, and I find this small detail so haunting - Peeta has *just* watched Katniss, the girl he is so in love with, volunteer not only for "games" that mean almost certain death, but he has watched her volunteer to take the place of her sister to protect her from that same fate. Yet when Peeta is chosen, he is even more alone in that crowd because despite the fact that they *could* , his own brothers will not volunteer for him like Katniss just did for her sister.
    To think that so many children have been reaped, yet have also been plucked from siblings and putting the moral dilemma of volunteering on *them* , other children, probably forever cursing them with surivivors guilt as they watch their sibling enter the game because they *could have* volunteered if they wanted to, adds an entirely new level of cruelty and mental torture to this system.
    edit: formatting

  • @branddransnothingbuthands599
    @branddransnothingbuthands599 หลายเดือนก่อน +421

    I feel like the scariest part after realising how fucked up this, in some way, we are also capitol people as well.
    I found myself cheering with them when my favourite character in the movie is winning, I found myself liking the girl who had “fake empathy” towards the district 12 kids. I enjoyed the commentary lucky fisherman gave. It’s sick because of how perfectly balanced the horrifying truth of kids killing each other in the game but they are advertised to be “I am quirky/strong/shy/proud, vote for me!”
    AND I FOUND MYSELF ROUTING FOR CATNIS through the commentary, through the games.
    It’s some sick type of comedy or irony. That we ourselves indulge in this. We can go so deep into this because “It’s just a movie” “it’s just entertainment”, desensitising us with this horrible dystopian.

    • @mariaxeldridge
      @mariaxeldridge หลายเดือนก่อน +66

      every time people ask for a TV show or more movies of each year of the games i’m in stunned horror that this seems to fly over so many people’s heads

    • @DarthRayj
      @DarthRayj หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      This is the part that I think makes this into a masterpiece of fiction. It forces the reader/watcher to recognize our place and the fact that we are not immune to propaganda, if we actually analyze the content even a little. At least in the first book, we are absolutely doing exactly what everyone else in the capitol is - cheering for our favorite (which is probably katniss because we've been primed with her life story and relatability, so it's almost like we're from her district), and being happy when she manages to "win" even with the cost.
      The further entries explore this a lot more clearly, especially once she's turned into a propaganda hero for the rebellion, suddenly we're buying into their propaganda! We're happy when she "wins" again, despite the pretty brutally shown cost to her and so many others. There's even a certain sense of disappointment when she doesn't do the expected thing at the end of the series, but I see it as her being true to herself and refusing to be a pawn again, whether for her own survival, the cause she was never really fighting for, or the entertainment of the reader/watcher.
      Tearing others down for the entertainment of the masses is what the Games were all about, and if you get too wrapped up in that mindset, the overall story feels like it didn't fulfill that. But that's because the actual story is about the much less flashy and entertaining rebellion that comes from not only refusing to participate in that way of thinking, but fighting it wherever it shows up, even (or especially) if it's in people or places you love. We must recognize the humanity of others, even those in horrible circumstances or doing things we can't imagine doing ourselves, or we can so, so easily be convinced to not only justify but even support horrific acts.

    • @RED-my9hl
      @RED-my9hl หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      you are just the viewers, nothing important

    • @mariaxeldridge
      @mariaxeldridge หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@RED-my9hl most ridiculous take i’ve ever heard lmfao

    • @RED-my9hl
      @RED-my9hl หลายเดือนก่อน

      @mariaxeldridge we get it, you're a 14 year old American white woman who thinks you're important, the narcissism from you is not lost on me 💀

  • @murderofcrows5089
    @murderofcrows5089 หลายเดือนก่อน +223

    One of my favorite scenes in the first movie was when Haymitch was hanging out in the capital and saw a family with the boy play stabbing his sister and he just watches them with this look of disgusted hate

  • @Pandozzi
    @Pandozzi หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    This is such a brilliant essay.
    In todays climate i cant help but see the mirror it hold to our society. How we interact with, and almost consume, wars for example. completely dehuminise the side we view as evil, infantilse the side we view as virtuous, all for our own sake, how we perceive ourselves, and in a way, entertainment.
    We use the tragedy of others to make ourselves feel human.
    Just like the false empathy the capital feels towards the tributes, and the sense of charity they feel towards the districts.

  • @turquoisesnowflake4613
    @turquoisesnowflake4613 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Studies have been done to suggest that human nature is that we want to help and care for one another. Our empathy is a survival technique.

  • @charlottezoller1579
    @charlottezoller1579 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

    "If empathy is a muscle, then every day is a chance to exercise it"
    Beautifully true.

  • @nicoleg2544
    @nicoleg2544 หลายเดือนก่อน +170

    I can’t remember where I read this, but allegedly during the very first hunger games, the tributes refused to kill each other until the peacekeeper started shooting at them. That’s not a reflection on human nature, that’s a reflection on what happens when you, quite literally and in every sense of the word, hold a gun to somebody’s head.
    It’s also widely speculated that the reason why career districts very often volunteer is because their youth receives training for the arena, and they would rather go into the arena trained and armed with the skills to survive than let an untrained, starving 12-year-old walk up on stage, which is a noble cause that inadvertently makes them widely disliked by the rest of the nation because they have an unfair advantage over everybody else. In an effort to protect their weakest, they kill other people’s weakest.
    Additionally, the theory about the games being rigged to reap specific names is not just a fan theory. It’s something that Gail openly speculates about. He mentioned how the family members of past victors go into the games a few too many times for it to be pure coincidence.
    There’s another theory, not one that I’ve actually seen anybody talk about yet, regarding how Dr. Gaul manufactures the games in such a way as to affirm her own believes about human nature. I really don’t think that it were the rebels who caused the bombing of the arena in the lead up to the 10th hunger games. People were starting to get sick of the games. They didn’t want to watch children’s slaughter one other on live television. The citizens of the capital were slowly forgetting how bad the war actually was, and moving on, and Dr. Gaul could not let that happen. But up until the day of the reaping, nobody knew that children would be mentoring the district kids, so were the rebels just trying to bomb their own? I don’t think so. I think Dr. was responsible for the bombing of the arena, in order to remind people that the rebels are still a “threat”. This would serve to further dehumanize the districts, to further so the seeds of the belief that they are just wild animals in need of a cage and a tight leash, as opposed to innocent children forced to kill one another under pain of being shot in the back. In a bid to Confirm that her worldview is the only correct one, she manufactures and rigs every single possible opportunity to prove her point in her favor.
    However, the fact remains that Snow had more than enough opportunity to believe Lucy instead. Time and time again he was shown deliberately that Dr. Gaul’s worldview is not the only one, nor is it the correct one. And he ignored every single demonstration that he was given of the innate goodness of some people. It really goes to show that despite human nature not being this horrible, evil thing, some people really ARE born rotten, and no amount of goodness is going to convince them that the world is kind, that people are decent. Even his cousin, who was shaped by the same circumstances that he was shaped by, who is also herself an orphan and a victim of the dark days, sees the humaneness of the tributes end of the districts. The time after time he chooses to ignore it.

    • @DarthRayj
      @DarthRayj หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      This is an *excellent* point as well. Some people, whether through upbringing or nature, really do see the world this way. The thing is, they're also an absolutely tiny fraction of the population; they aren't present in any one specific nation or culture (although some cultures might be easier for them to take advantage of); and as the video touched on a bit, the very wealthy and powerful are much more likely to see the world this way. They also just so happen to be the people with enough influence on the world around them that they can orchestrate their own proof.

    • @lary_uwu6027
      @lary_uwu6027 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      I dont think he was *born* rotten, he just chose to be so because it would benefit him PERSONALLY the most.
      Being Gaul's favorite student, and having the ideas he did would guarantee him a good job. In the books he didn't tell his best friend's parents that he was essentially the one who killed him, so their fortune went to him.
      He didn't start of as that bad, it was his choice to be cruel so he could have a benefit, so he liked what Gaul said, he wanted, at first, to believe that it was not him, everyone was like that given the circumstances, so he pushed those circumstances on others
      Though he did have less empathy as a whole since the start, that didnt make him be born cruel, it just aided his choices

    • @nicoleg2544
      @nicoleg2544 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I think the only reason he wasn’t cruel for the get go was because he wasn’t in a position of power to do so at the time. Narcissists gravitate towards positions of power, but they can’t actually DO anything until they get there. I disagree with the phrase the power corrupts. I think it’s much more appropriate to the power reveals corruption. And the more powerful snow becomes, the more comfortable he feels committing cruelty and evil, his narcissism insisting that he is nevertheless the hero of his story, that what he does is infallibly righteous and correct.

    • @lary_uwu6027
      @lary_uwu6027 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@nicoleg2544 i dont think power corrupted him, i just think he had enough humanity at the beggining to not be cruel, but time and time again chose the wrong thing. It was more his choices corrupting him in his search of power

  • @itsalexcolorburst
    @itsalexcolorburst หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Another aspect of the Careers that I find disturbing is that they are being raised as weapons. They're being trained and prepared for the slim chanve that they may fight in the games. If they do end up Victors, they are left with nothing. Their whole lives were built for that game and now along with the PTSD, they have to rethink their purpose in a seprate way from the other districts.

  • @BJ_Freeplay
    @BJ_Freeplay หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    careers have been deeply groomed into a culture where they don't even see themselves as human, these are kids raised to see themselves as blind prideful tools to a system that has murdered them and othered them away from all the other victims stuck in the same trap they are. The class dynamic within the districts is such an important part of what disrupts their ability to unite. There're so many other ways the system disrupts the districts communal suffering from being a unifier too, it's wild.

  • @aria5614
    @aria5614 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    It was truly something when the rebellion reached the capitol and not only did the citizens not know how to handle it, but they were disposable to the military. Like a fancy pet kept by Snow.
    Everyone was caged. Even those who thought they were at the top.

  • @taylorplummer9185
    @taylorplummer9185 หลายเดือนก่อน +143

    Suzanne Collins is such a genius in my opinion, the depth of insight into modern culture and the intricacies of her metaphor only hit closer and closer to home the deeper you look. Gregor the Overlander is also an amazing series of hers that does not get as much attention because there isn’t a movie- if you're a fan of the Hunger Games you should also read those.

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      i read those in elementary school!!! MAN i had forgotten

    • @DarthRayj
      @DarthRayj หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@5x5Takes I had completely forgotten that those books were also her, but now I absolutely can see it. And I feel like they put a lot of focus on the faults in hero worship, glamorizing war, etc, etc.
      Damn, I might have to find and reread those soon.

    • @idontneedaname318
      @idontneedaname318 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I read Gregor the overlander and reread it a couple years ago bc I read that when I was 9 and yet the final sequences of the last book HAUNTED ME for YEARS after the fact

    • @DarthRayj
      @DarthRayj หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@idontneedaname318 I don't even remember how it ended tbh, either I never finished the series or I just forgot. It's possible the final book hadn't come out when I was reading through it and then I missed when it came out.

  • @TheHumanitarian23
    @TheHumanitarian23 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    We are living on the Hunger Games. Imagine going to the movies to watch this with your friends on a night out...while Congo, Gaza, Ethopia, Haiti are living this life daily....which we watch on maintream and sociap media from the comfort of our homes...and our government suppress and sensor any public demonstrations frowning upon Gaza genocide. What a disgusting time this is.

    • @mariposa9506
      @mariposa9506 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The way Palestine holds their children up as human shields and trains child soldiers reminds me so much of the capital

    • @TheHypnosBunny
      @TheHypnosBunny 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mariposa9506 Israeli soldiers do the same. That's war.

    • @charutha6335
      @charutha6335 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      This. It is sad to see people get so close to the point but look away. This isn't just about the capitol or the districts. It is about us. About imperialism and capitalism. And this IS real life.

  • @laurenr4768
    @laurenr4768 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Towards the 30 minute mark you talk about how the circumstances are engineered and that the Gamemakers observation about human nature may not match reality - made me think about how many draw conclusions from things like Lord of the Flies or the Stanford Prisoner Experiment where it is less a matter of innate human nature for violence and more a matter of specific groups of people in specific circumstances.

  • @sunkissedking
    @sunkissedking หลายเดือนก่อน +344

    Girl, this was good asf. Lmao! I was like, "who this? I need to sub," and I was already subbed. I'm cackling.

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      i didn’t post for so long that i lost my brand recognition 😩

    • @sunkissedking
      @sunkissedking หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@5x5Takes Lol, fr. The Netlfix ATLA already dropped and everything. You better get on it.

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      enough people have dunked on it. i am good :)

    • @sunkissedking
      @sunkissedking หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@5x5Takes Lmao, that sucks. I saw your other video mentioning it, so I didn't know if you'd follow up. I thought it was a lot of fun. I hate that everyone had such grand expectations.

    • @5x5Takes
      @5x5Takes  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@sunkissedking i’m going to make a patreon video on my thoughts. but overall, it was just a rehash of what is a wonderfully written show, while misunderstanding the elements (haha) of what made it great. it’s not the worst thing ever made, but when the original exists, there’s no comparison in which tells the more compelling story. the netflix version also flattened many characters in a way that i found truly just sad

  • @HeliosMij
    @HeliosMij หลายเดือนก่อน +133

    I remember when I argued with my 7th grade english teacher 5 years ago, about how this was not just a love story( which she insisted it was and deemed it unnecessary to read) but how it shows the different victims of manipulations and the consequences of empathy and compassion.
    What I always found terrifying is the aesthetic depiction of violence and abuse of the 'victors', especially after I realized how close it is to some games my friends played. This rather easily established glorification of violence honestly scares me and will never not do so.
    But really great video essay, i LOVED it !!

    • @SamRMoyer
      @SamRMoyer หลายเดือนก่อน

      What sort of games do you mean?

    • @SylvainJoseGautier-
      @SylvainJoseGautier- หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@SamRMoyerjust violent games in general? I.e. Mortal Kombat, or GTA?

    • @RiceCubeTech
      @RiceCubeTech 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      The fact your 7th grade teacher couldn’t read into the lines is really… off-putting and very concerning. This is someone who is supposed to be teaching our children to be critical thinkers. Instead we have someone who can’t critically think themselves.
      Good on you for being able to look into a story more than surface level

    • @TheHypnosBunny
      @TheHypnosBunny 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RiceCubeTech off putting for society, the teacher was just conditioned by how the media was portraying the story.

  • @lavendermarshmallowplant3229
    @lavendermarshmallowplant3229 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Basically, the victims of the game are made to be the characters of a story. Just like how the viewers express an attachment towards the tributes but ultimately not enough to see the injustice--we view the characters of often-times fictional stories with fondness and care, but ultimately, we're willingly listening to or watching or reading the story where they suffer in.

  • @niceuser2face611
    @niceuser2face611 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I played this video so I could go to bed, but it was so interesting it kept me up the whole time.
    If that’s not a sign of a great video essay I don’t know what is.

  • @doll_dress_swap1269
    @doll_dress_swap1269 หลายเดือนก่อน +121

    The point about how the tributes go from being showcased as individuals right before the games to being one and the same in their uniforms once the games start is such a subtle manipulation. It means that people will only care about you if you managed to participate enthusiastically enough in the pre game pageantry to become their favorite so that they’ll be actively looking to follow what happens to you in the arena. It’s another way to force desperate compliance from the tributes to make the pageantry successful since the attention and love of the audience often means the difference between life and death.

  • @Kibui
    @Kibui หลายเดือนก่อน +149

    So The Hunger Games often get grouped together with a lot of the other dystopian YA works and in a way it fullfills or even created a lot of that "genre's" clichees. The love triangle. The "teen overthrows government". The "getting to wear pretty dresses". Etc.
    I never liked these stories for how badly they were written in a lot of cases but for some reason I never felt like that about the Hunger Games. Even when I revisited the series, I still loved it as much as before. I thought that perhaps the Hunger Games were an exception because of nostalgia.
    But the longer I thought about it, the more I could see the reasons why this story isn't as superficial and badly thought out like so many others. The author truly had a message they wanted to convey. A thene to explore. The love triangle is less a situation where the main character struggles to choose one partner whilst lusting over them the entire time and more of a journey to learn to genuinely love a person and appreciate their qualities (or see their flaws). Katniss isn't actually the one doing the most in the rebellion. She's the face and the spark, but not the one holding the strings. You could even make an argument that District 13's use of her mirrors that of the Capitol in a way. And the pretty dresses? They all serve one or multiple functions.
    Then of course, there's also the whole political and societal angle which this video analyzes so amazingly. Really, this series has so many facetts and angles to look at and all this hasn't even accouted for the artistic angles yet, like paranoid, uneasy and dreary atmosphere you get from especially the first book/movie

  • @jacobragonese2367
    @jacobragonese2367 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    what i also find interesting about the changes Snow made - he experienced first hand how being a mentor to the tributes affects people, he saw his peers grow to care for these children that were going to die. he knows how horrible a position it is to be in, so it’s perfect cruelty to make the victors the mentors

  • @erdbeerbrom
    @erdbeerbrom 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    one of the most beautiful video essays i have ever watched 😭

  • @valgardener7656
    @valgardener7656 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

    I was very struck by how grateful Katniss was towards Ceasar Flickerman, just because he stepped in to help her out at a difficult part in her interview.
    The most interesting part of Mockingjay was the conflict between Gale and Katniss, because she felt loyalty to her "team". She saw them as friends who truly cared about her, while Gale saw them as her oppressors.

    • @zvezdoblyat
      @zvezdoblyat หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      I don't blame Katniss. It's obvious that they're completely clueless to the reality of life in the districts. In many countries, even first world countries, there are homeless and starving people everywhere. I seriously doubt a lot of people know what that really feels like, what it looks like. The prep team are not the ones contributing to the suffering of the districts. They are just consumers. Gale just not understand that because he's angry, but he's too cowardly to be angry at the right people. If he understood, he would have recognised Coin's hypocrisy, and Prim would not have died.
      If you disagree with the Capitol citizens being innocent, think back to the outcry at Katniss being pregnant. And please think of yourself. Do you think you're innocent? Every time you eat a chocolate bar or use your phone, remember that thousands if not millions of people and children have died for them. Sold into slavery go bring you a moment of gratification. They have no idea what your life is like, and if they were to live your life for 1 week it would seem as utopic as the tribute centre, filled with comfort, food, and relaxation.

    • @nicolovespanda
      @nicolovespanda หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@zvezdoblyatyou're real asf and i keep thinking about this fact as i crave chocolate

    • @carmenerechile
      @carmenerechile 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@zvezdoblyatI think it's because she was so scared and unsure of everything that any help, even the one that cost nothing to that person, was perceived by Katniss as something very important and formed a positive feeling in her. Although of course we know that that asshole was just playing for the audience and trying not to ruin the vibe of the show. And the same for the team that helped her. How come they have nothing to do with suffering? They are specifically and directly involved in this. How can you not notice the annual murder of a bunch of people when you work in the same field? And again, when you are in such a vulnerable position as Katniss, any manifestation of care (paid in their case) formed some kind of emotional connection. Gale, on the other hand, could not feel it because he was an observer. and from both their perspectives they are right.
      Did I not understand correctly or what - in the end is this a call to always feel guilty for just about everything?

  • @cedarmay4245
    @cedarmay4245 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

    There was a podcast I was listening to (I’ve forgotten the name) that mused about what life is like during the hunger games, are there streaming sites where you can rewatch the games and if so are there recap podcasts, are there fanfic sites that write about Katniss and peeta’s love story. The lumber district, how do they feel knowing that out of the 24 coffins they make every year two of them will most likely house their own. Ect

    • @mahnoorkhan3350
      @mahnoorkhan3350 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hi if you ever remember the name of the podcast I'd really like to listen to it too

  • @rizzlerrickio
    @rizzlerrickio หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Dude as a kid when i watched this movie, i remember thinking, oh how I'd love to participate in the games if it was real... like WHAT. Now that i'm an ADULT I now see it how it is, and love the concept because it's scary how close our society is to it. Loved the video!!!