I always felt that the failure of this movie and Green Lantern in the same year is why a year later the Green Arrow show had to be called Arrow because some executives thought, “Well we can’t have a hero with Green in the name people don’t like that.”
@@alexanderguerrero347a better name for a trash show. Should've stuck with green in that case. But at least the casuals won't make the correlation with the CW when there is a green arrow movie/series.
I for some reason was extremely excited for this as a kid. I had a green hornet ring and counted down to seeing the movie, I have still never seen the movie.
I used to love watching the original Green Hornet show just for Bruce Lee alone. When they filmed it, he was actually _too fast_ for the cameras to properly capture his moves so he had to work on significantly slowing down his choreography for television. When he was later discovered by Hong Kong studio Golden Harvest, they would shoot action scenes at a much higher frame rate which did a far better job at really showcasing his amazing skill. I still own all of his HK movies on Blu Ray, and in high definition it looks even more impressive. Perhaps it’s because of this that I’ve always jokingly referred to the 2011 Green Hornet movie as “Blu Harvest” which is coincidentally very similar to the working title of the 1977 film Star Wars.
I remember when this movie came out, I was in 8th grade and me and my buds all went and saw it and being 8th grade boys we definitely thought it was the coolest movie in the world. It’s definitely made for 8th grade boys…UNLIKE SKY HIGH WHICH IS MADE FOR ANY AND ALL PEOPLE!!!!
I love how right after they switch back to naming the trivia section, a movie comes along that arguably is one of three movies where “Green Trivia” would work 😂 love this episode guys!
All of these films you mentioned are part of a genre known as "pulp fiction" or "pulp heroes". These movies were inspired by the popular comic strips and pulp magazines from the early 20th century. While each character has their own unique story and world, they all share certain similarities. One common thread among these characters is their status as crime-fighting heroes. Dick Tracy, The Rocketeer, The Shadow, The Phantom, and The Green Hornet are all dedicated to protecting their respective cities from evildoers. They often rely on their intelligence, physical abilities, and a range of gadgets to maintain justice. Another link between these films is their nostalgic and retro aesthetic. They transport us back to a bygone era, capturing the charm and style of the early to mid-20th century. Whether it's Dick Tracy's colorful comic strip world, The Rocketeer's thrilling adventures, or The Shadow's mysterious persona, these films tap into a sense of nostalgia and adventure. Furthermore, many of these characters have become iconic within popular culture. They have inspired a variety of adaptations, reboots, and even further expansions in various forms of media. This demonstrates their enduring popularity and the impact they've had on the world of storytelling. Overall, while each film stands on its own, they all share a connection through their pulp fiction roots, their crime-fighting heroes, and their ability to capture our imaginations with their timeless stories.
They're connected by what Wittgenstein called a family resemblance; no one single attribute is common among them all, but certain features are shared by different intersecting portions of the class of movie
Yes, but also the Sam J Jones "The Spirit" TV movie. It's also quite bad but mostly true to the mythology and I am a big fan of Will Eisner's The Spirit so I appreciate that at least
Fun Fact: during the production of this film Seth Rogen was experimenting with growing his own cannabis at scale, hoping to turn his hobby into a possible business venture in the rapidly expanding US legal cannabis industry. Because this was still very much a pilot project, he was growing stuff for himself and his friends and, thus, growing and crossing his particular favorite strains. Most notably- Blue Dream, from which we get The Green Hornet’s working/stealth title: Blue Harvest.
In keeping the theme of pulp heroes on the big screen, these guys should cover the Mask of Zorro (1998). For one, it’s a legitimately good movie that’s an easy watch. For two, Zorro is a hardline inspiration for Batman. In multiple versions of Batman’s origin, the Wayne’s are shown leaving a showing of the Mark of Zorro. Watching the 98 version, you can totally see how much the Dark Knight drew from “ the Fox.”
@@Thyyyyyyyyme I hope they cover Zorro someday. Incidentally, did you know that in preproduction for that movie, they experimented with swapping Zorro's iconic black mask for a dark navy blue? The movie would have included a scene where Zorro harvests the mask from a fallen foe. This lead to the original working title of the movie, Blue Harvest, which is coincidentally also the original working title of Star Wars (1977)
Gondry's career was never the same after this movie… Also I mostly remember it because after we left the theater some friends and I took a cab home and in that cab one of them lost their phone and then for some reason decided to not get another one for the next 3 years, communication with him was a hassle for that time.
The idea of a superhero hiding behind a dork front man as a form of secret identity is next level Dread Pirate Roberts action. I love this conceit. Front man gets taken out? Minor setback, the real muscle just finds a new one. So goooood.
It's interesting how much the 60s show broke this franchise. That show lasted for one season but totally changed the dynamic between Kato and the Green Hornet completely by accident. It's really amazing.
@@walterhoward5512 yea the show actually had Reid fight too. Except when they were pretending for the crime boss angle. The movie angle was so bad because it's like they were doing a worst iron man.
@@mistermatix8241 Yeah? You do realize that the Caravan of Garbage show isn't just about highlighting bad movies but also good films. Have you even watched this show before?
There was a bit of a kafuffle on set as the director was very tempted, in an attempt to make the movie darker and grittier, to make the Green Hornet's costume a dark azure colour instead. Eventually, faithfulness to the source material won out, and the azure costume was thrown out as part of a general cleanup by the designers, the working title for which was Blue Harvest.
I swear we gave this movie to my grandfather as a birthday gift once and now I'm even sadder that he's gone because I DESPERATELY want to know what he thought of it. I need to hear his quips so badly.
I'm stunned you guys didn't mention the fact that Mythbusters of all shows had an episode dedicated to promoting this movie by testing several things that happen in it. Likely the only thing people remember this movie for.
The failure of The Green Hornet can be summed up in one single sentence: They took a series that had the greatest martial artist of all time in it and ruined the martial arts scenes with gratuitous CGI. The villain is the only thing that makes it even remotely watchable.
I used to enjoy his films/performances in stuff like Pineapple Express, Superbad and Knocked Up, but pretty much everything he did from the early 2010s to the present was the same character he puts no effort into and his schtick just felt so tired. His best work in the last 10 years was playing Steve Wozniak in the Jobs movie and producing the boys and invincible than for any of his comedy films. His voice acting especially is very lazy and he doesn't even try to change his voice.
@@OneArmedRetroGamerSandler can be a good actor when he wants to be in stuff like Uncut Gems, Punch Drunk Love, and the Meyerowitz Stories. He just chooses to do a bunch of lazy comedy movies so he can hang out with his friends. The same cannot be said for Rogen who is just a one trick pony of "Weed, ha ha"
I grew up watching reruns of Batman ‘66 and The Green Hornet so when this came out I was super excited for it. It’s honestly one of my guilty pleasures. That being said, it’s weird that at that time we were getting serious Batman movies and a comedic Green Hornet movie when the Batman ‘66 show was the comedic one and The Green Hornet was the serious one. The thing the movie suffers from the most is this pop culture misunderstanding that Kato did all the work (mostly down to Bruce Lee and his popularity.) In the show they actually had a good dynamic where Reid is the detective who solves the clues and Kato was the fighter. The Green Hornet and Kato are basically Batman split into two people.
Kato doing all the work /could/ work, but it needs more of a sense of purpose I think. It felt like they were reaching for a "Big Trouble in Little China" thing, where they wanted to subvert the trope of the Asian sidekick by putting the white guy on the back foot and make them less effective. I think the difference in Big Trouble in Little China that's like a central conceit of the script and Kurt Russel's character is enjoyable to watch. Seth Rogen's character getting sympathetic backstory in the beginning doesn't play with this well for example. It feels more like the producers were worried that it would come off as racist to have an Asian companion at all and were trying to lampshade it, without realizing that putting an Asian character in a servant/butler type role is not the same as a British butler for Batman (so maybe that's what you wanna rework instead)?
Yeah, the ideal image they'd want to have is that Kato is the enforcer. The Green Hornet is masquerading as a rogue mob boss, and what self respecting mod boss doesn't have enforcers? Reid is a detective, and is the figurehead for the double life they're running, but he's also a capable fighter/helps with the inventions. Kato is the inventor, is a better fighter but lacks Reid's acting chops and analytical skills. Like you said, it's like the creator of Batman saw the Green Hornet/Kato dynamic and just combined the characters, since the Hornet and Kato have been around longer than Batman or Superman.
For the upcoming Napoleon movie, should do the Scott triple of Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven and Robin Hood. You could do the Last Duel as well, but I feel it’s a different fit to the others.
Or watch Hannibal. Horny Gary Oldman returns in an even worse way than Dracula. But this time he's great, but the rest of the movie sucks (besides the music).
I wouldn't be surprised if the idea to use greasepaint and a hood instead of a domino mask and Robin Hood hat came from this flopping. Eventually he did get the mask though.
Thanks Ben and Laurence for that split second clip of 'A Drum and Two Cymbals Fall Off a Cliff', Matt Gray and Tom Scott are my next favourite duo alongside the Aussie boys 💕
You made me realize something interesting about this otherwise not interesting movie: Rogen wrote and plays Britt Reid as the worst possible version of the idle-rich crimefighter archetype. He's an unstable incompetent egomaniac who just decides to "take up the mantle" because it seems fun. It's like if the vapid Bruce Wayne persona was out there in a mask instead of the focused and driven Batman. No code, all utility belt. See also Observe and Report, where he basically plays the opposite character: Bruce if he were Batman 24/7 and also a driven, intense, draconian, paranoid, mentally unstable, poor mall security guard. All code, can't afford a utility belt. I feel like Seth Rogen really wants this character study to work.
Since its the spookiest time of the year (tax time) Y'all should review every attempt to begin the Dark Universe: Van Helsing, Dracula Untold, da mummy, Renfield
Renfield wasn't an attempt at that, but I'm totally for this idea. Plus I, Frankenstein which isn't Universal but carries the spirit of these projects.
This movie has a soft spot in my heart, despite me never seeing it, as they added his gun to a game that was basically Worms but with other animals, as a piece of cross promotion, and it was such a fun gun to use
@@oontgrad No, he only disregarded and belittled a TH-camr who had his car broken into in LA, claiming it not to be a big deal. Questioning a man worth 80 million telling you that you shouldn't worry about your car that much and that LA is "fine" shouldn't be political statement, it's just common sense to trash him. - From a guy who works in LA
@@FrankLeeYoung”a youtuber” lmao it was casey neistat and he complained that the only reason his film equipment kept on his car seat in clear view was stolen was the fact police don’t have infinite money. anybody with a brain keeps their film equipment in the trunk at least
While I would of preferred a movie serious Green Hornet movie, I feel Green Hornet stumbled so The Boys and Invincible could walk… that’s a good silver lining
Turns out, all four movies made use of Bennett Sperber construction company. He's listed as the foreman or construction crew depending on the movie. I had to run the entire cast and crew listing for each movie through caradasi-style spreadsheet and he was the only one who popped up. I suppose he must have just been working for a long time.
Fun fact, the green in Seth Rogen's mask wasn't showing up on camera properly, so they ended up going for a shade of blue, trying to find a shade of blue that would harvest the light properly to appear green would lead to the working title of the movie being blue harvest I'm typing this half-asleep, please boo accordingly
My friend took me to see this film when it came out, and I'd just returned home from being overseas for almost a month and it was about 30 minutes in when I realised I wasn't watching The Green Lantern 😆 I was extremely confused because I'd never heard of The Green Hornet before but I remember mildly enjoying it
There's a spoof of Sherlock Holmes where Sherlock is actually a bumbling idiot and Watson does all the real detective work. I wonder if that inspired this movie?
I feel like there is a specific type of action movie that is "you know it when you see it". The rock, Armageddon, con air etc. Stuff thats ridiculous but still very earnest and not self aware at all
I wanna see you guys cover either the Tremors movie series or Anaconda, Lake Placid & Piranha 3DD as a trilogy, for no reason other than i like them 😉. Plus i really feel like watching the Zorro movies now after watching this
This remains the only movie I ever walked out of... not by choice. I was young and my parents were really big fans of the original T.V show, halfway through they said nope this is garbage and we went home. Couple of years later I rewatched it on my own... yeah, it's terrible, glad my parents got me out the first time
Heh, my Grandpa and I did the same thing (also the only time we've walked out of a movie, funnily enough). My dad was a big fan of the TV show, so we grew up with that.
It's crazy that the movie made as much money as it did. I always thought it made much less, but that's way more. Honestly, they just needed a reduced budget. Focus more on the fights than expensive car stuff and 3D.
The talent both behind and in front of the camera is incredible. The cast is great, Michel Gondry is an fantastic director but I think this is absolutely one of the biggest case of Studio Meddling. To Be Honest I thought the movie was okay but It could have been better considering who is involved
you think Seth Rogen is incredible. The guy that plays the same lazy character in everything. The guy that protected James Franco for being a rapist. The guy who thought it was funny to tell a late night show story about how he knew James Franco was an experienced pedophile & catfished him as a teenage girl Ok good for u
Putting Seth Rogen and Michel Gondry together is unbelievably strange. Gondry's style is very earnest and innocent and whimsical, whereas Rogen likes subversion and "dude what if this beloved old character swore and did drugs lol". Their sensibilities do not mesh at all, and the combination brings out the worst in both of them.
Huge fan of the Green Hornet and Kato in other media. This movie was a travesty. My grandpa brought me up on the old Green Hornet show as a kid. When he saw that this movie was coming out, he was really excited. We went to the theater, he paid for the tickets, and then we had to watch this shit. We were disappointed as fans but at least we got to spend some time together.
My dad took me to see this in theaters, I was about 13. We both liked it a lot. At the time I thought we had discovered a banger of a movie, as an adult I just don't know if my dad ever moved past being 13.
Rodney! Also movies to cover: •Last Action Hero •Spy Kids •The 1950s Jules Verne movies •Wallace and Grommit: Curse of the Wererabbit •Chicken Run •Adventures Elmo in Grouchland (A real gem, Mandy Patinkin hams it up so hard as the villian and its only slightly over one hour) •Splice( its just a really stupid movie) •Parent Trap (both original and remake to compare how bad the original actually is and the premise itself)
I feel like we have this movie to thank for The Boys, Invincible, Mutant Mayhem, etc. Because maybe if Seth didn't have this learning experience on the production side, those wouldn't be as good.
I maintain Rogen's best work in the last 10 years has been as a producer than as an Actor, considering how he just plays the same character in every movie and his whole weed ah-ha-ha schtick has long worn thin. He rivals Dwayne Johnson as one of the laziest actors in Hollywood. Genuinely, the only good performance I've seen him give in the last decade was as Steve Wozniak in the Steve Jobs movie. However his work as a producer is great
I don't care what anybody says. I like this movie. It's not great. It's not even that good. But I think it's entertaining and funny enough that I can overlook the less funny parts. I just miss standalone superhero movies. I miss different superhero movies. A lot of things didn't work here but some of it did and I admire the risk taking
Before landing on the idea of The Green Hornet, the creators of the 1930s radio show, George W. Trendle and Fran Striker initially thought that due to the fact that it would be debuting on The Blue Network (previously known as the NBC Blue Network) which was the on-air name of a now defunct American radio network, which broadcast from 1927 through 1945; they should have called it The Blue Hornet. However, due to the idea that it could be perceived by audiences as a mascot character for The Blue Network, they decided to make it The Green Hornet instead. During the filming of the movie, Michel Gondry had the idea of harvesting a hornets nest for a scene that would be later deleted due to studio interference from Sony Pictures. Due to these two pieces of history surrounding the character's creation and the making of the film, it had the working title 'Blue Harvest' which was coincidentally the working title of the original Star Wars (1977)
You mention that Kevin Smith was originally going to direct but had to drop out but you didn’t mention that he wrote a comic following the story he would have done had he made the film
@@titusmccarthy lol look we were all swept up in Episode 1 fever when it came out. it was the first new Star Wars movie in 16 years! we had spent the year leading up to its release excitedly discussing all the fan theories and "things we heard". We were too excited to realize it was a horrible movie lolol
Mr Sunday Movies or should I say Mr Scumbag Movies. My friend won one your Lootbox prizes over 5 years ago and still hasn't received it. Give this man his Lootbox. Sincerely, Vengeance.
Saw this in theater. Kind of like it tbh. Gondry's visual techniques and action staging are pretty much a blast and carry it through its narrative and character issues for me, especially when it's not really all that serious of a movie. It's a movie where a guy has a double gun and an identity crisis over what his villain hook should be. Mostly fun nonsense I think. Rogan's comments are weird talking about how Gondry probably wasn't ready to tackle a big budget action movie because the way Gondry handles that stuff is clearly the best thing about the film. The things that were supposedly under great scrutiny (dialog, narrative, character) are the film's main weaknesses. Would have loved to see what Stephen Chow could have done with it though. Incredibly fun action comedy filmmaker and I think the rumor was that he would also play Kato. Would have been great.
The link is that during the production they all had used a blue screen background instead of green, and, funny enough, every single one of these movies had the working title Blue Harvest because of it
We remember The Green Hornet, when we were young. Seth Rogan, managed to turn the Green Hornet into a coward, and someone with a mental disorder. No reason whatsoever to watch/get this movie.
Random fun fact, the green hornet set that was featured in Once Upon in Hollywood was filmed at Excelsior high School in Norwalk, CA. It's actually about a mile from where I grew up, it's an adult school now
There was a roleplaying game from the early 2000s called "Adventure", which was aimed at playing in the Pulp Adventure genre. In the Storytellers' guide section, it elaborated on what Pulp Adventure is and isn't. Pulp Adventure is a genre originating and generally taking place in the first half of the 20th century, especially in the inter-war and WWII periods. The horrors and difficulties of the day made escapism popular. It features stalwart heroes and over-the-top villains. Common elements include: Gangsters, international cartels, mysterious "unexplored" regions of the world, the novelty of air travel, thrilling chases, races against time, vigilantism, science fiction gadgetry, and mysterious, magical, or paranormal abilities. Pulp Adventure can be contrasted with three other forms that emerged in the same general period of time. Pulp Adventure is not Noir. While pulp heroes are not morally black-and-white, noir protagonists are not even heroes. The characters in noir are fundamentally broken, in a pessimistic world where good does not really triumph over evil, or if it does, it leaves scars. A pulp climax will have a large brawl, a thrilling chase, a big shootout, etc. Whereas a noir climax ends with one regrettable gunshot on a dark waterfront. Pulp Adventure is not Camp. Camp stories have deliberately simplistic, over-the-top heroes and villains. While Pulp Adventure can be lurid, sexy, violent, with a focus on seedy underworlds, secret cults, or mad science, Camp takes these elements to the extreme, aiming for shock value that would alienate and offend a general audience. Pulp stories are usually a bit fanciful, but generally take their own premise seriously, whereas Camp is deliberately funny. Pulp Adventure is not Four-Color Superheroics. Although many pulp heroes have featured in the comic book medium, the genre is most clearly distinguished by the scale. Superman can lift a battleship out of the sea, whereas a pulp strongman might be able to lift the back end of a car with effort. Pulp adventure is generally more violent, sexier, and less child-friendly than 4CSH. Superheroes generally win in the final climax via a creative application of their powers, whereas pulp heroes usually win by their wits and gumption. Of these four strains, I think Pulp Adventure is probably the hardest to nail without accidentally landing in one of the other three. Further difficulties arise when one attempts to change the setting from early 20th century. But you can have pulp westerns (the Lone Ranger, Jonah Hex), space pulp (Buck Rogers, Star Wars), or pulp adventure in the 1980s (Buckaroo Bonzai), or even cyber-pulp (The Matrix). You could look at these as a Venn diagram of four circles overlapping. The borders aren't perfectly clear. But as you have said in all these videos "you know it when you see it".
Back in 1936 when they were designing the character, the original idea as to have him be called the Blue Hornet. To keep that a secret, the project was called "Blue Harvest"
I can’t even explain how much time I spend during the week with episodes of this playing in the background. Have probably watched the opening 10 minutes to the fantastic four video 50 times and I love it. Keep up the good work 😉
I would love to see a Caravan of Garbage series on the Spy Kids movies. Those things are insane
Pretty sure those movies would make Mason quit.
Yes
Yessssssss
The first one is pretty alright
The first spy kids I watched when I was a kid and loved it, watched it recently and it's still a great movie
That single Rodney gave me enough energy to sustain my existence for just a little longer.
Rodney is eternal
Spoilers 👺
Rodney will always be in our hearts.
I got my fix
12:34 is too good
Can't believe they teased us with the return of Guy yelling Rodney, got my hopes up for a second there
I feel like a parent who just heard their kidnapped child cry for help over the phone
I'll take my one "Rodney" and I'll savour it like it's the last TimTam in the packet, or the final scoop of Milo from the tin!
did that leave you feeling blue harvest?
Guy Yelling Rodney will rise again.
Rodney is in new Frasier.
Hearing “guy who yells Rodney” made my heart glad if even only for a second.
RODNEY
These movies have all been linked by two great guys. Your editors.
That's TWO through lines, no thousand dollars.
gottem
That Phantom segment was great. Respect.
I always felt that the failure of this movie and Green Lantern in the same year is why a year later the Green Arrow show had to be called Arrow because some executives thought, “Well we can’t have a hero with Green in the name people don’t like that.”
Also arrow is just a better name for a tv show
@@alexanderguerrero347a better name for a trash show. Should've stuck with green in that case. But at least the casuals won't make the correlation with the CW when there is a green arrow movie/series.
I for some reason was extremely excited for this as a kid. I had a green hornet ring and counted down to seeing the movie, I have still never seen the movie.
Thats hilarious
Same, watched it on TV years later
Me to! I didn’t have the ring but I was obsessed with the car ever since I saw the trailer in theaters as a kid. Never seen the movie
LMFAOOOO that's gold 😂
You're not missing anything
I used to love watching the original Green Hornet show just for Bruce Lee alone. When they filmed it, he was actually _too fast_ for the cameras to properly capture his moves so he had to work on significantly slowing down his choreography for television.
When he was later discovered by Hong Kong studio Golden Harvest, they would shoot action scenes at a much higher frame rate which did a far better job at really showcasing his amazing skill. I still own all of his HK movies on Blu Ray, and in high definition it looks even more impressive.
Perhaps it’s because of this that I’ve always jokingly referred to the 2011 Green Hornet movie as “Blu Harvest” which is coincidentally very similar to the working title of the 1977 film Star Wars.
Bravo.
There it is
I remember when this movie came out, I was in 8th grade and me and my buds all went and saw it and being 8th grade boys we definitely thought it was the coolest movie in the world. It’s definitely made for 8th grade boys…UNLIKE SKY HIGH WHICH IS MADE FOR ANY AND ALL PEOPLE!!!!
Amen brother
Dude you so based for this comment.. Sky High was made for this series
Kurt Russell!
Yeah I was in 6th grade maybe 5th when this came out and I remember going with my mom to see it and thinking it was awesome lmao
i like the movie sky high mary elizabeth winstead is in that movie i think and there is a guy who has fire powers i think
I love how right after they switch back to naming the trivia section, a movie comes along that arguably is one of three movies where “Green Trivia” would work 😂 love this episode guys!
I think I've finally worked out the theme: Movies covered by Caravan of Garbage between September and October of 2023
Bang on, M8, you've cracked the code!
Congrats on your 1,000 Australian dollars!
th-cam.com/video/7i-KkRqZRDU/w-d-xo.html May I ask what name of the movie in video What year is
@@InconsequentialVoiceintheCrowd that's like 12 real dollars
@@InconsequentialVoiceintheCrowdabout 12 USD
All of these films you mentioned are part of a genre known as "pulp fiction" or "pulp heroes". These movies were inspired by the popular comic strips and pulp magazines from the early 20th century. While each character has their own unique story and world, they all share certain similarities.
One common thread among these characters is their status as crime-fighting heroes. Dick Tracy, The Rocketeer, The Shadow, The Phantom, and The Green Hornet are all dedicated to protecting their respective cities from evildoers. They often rely on their intelligence, physical abilities, and a range of gadgets to maintain justice.
Another link between these films is their nostalgic and retro aesthetic. They transport us back to a bygone era, capturing the charm and style of the early to mid-20th century. Whether it's Dick Tracy's colorful comic strip world, The Rocketeer's thrilling adventures, or The Shadow's mysterious persona, these films tap into a sense of nostalgia and adventure.
Furthermore, many of these characters have become iconic within popular culture. They have inspired a variety of adaptations, reboots, and even further expansions in various forms of media. This demonstrates their enduring popularity and the impact they've had on the world of storytelling.
Overall, while each film stands on its own, they all share a connection through their pulp fiction roots, their crime-fighting heroes, and their ability to capture our imaginations with their timeless stories.
Give this man $1000
Faaaairly certain this is a chatgpt response
He's not wrong though
@@Gueebster
They're connected by what Wittgenstein called a family resemblance; no one single attribute is common among them all, but certain features are shared by different intersecting portions of the class of movie
Pulp Fiction is a movie
I think Frank Miller's "The Spirit" would make a great addition to this weird series vaguely connected movies
Yes, but also the Sam J Jones "The Spirit" TV movie. It's also quite bad but mostly true to the mythology and I am a big fan of Will Eisner's The Spirit so I appreciate that at least
The Mask Of Zorro would fit too. One of my favorite superhero movies
The connection is that it's a series of pulp revival movies obviously
@@hezekiahramirez6965the mask of Zorro is so great!!
One of the most insane movies ever made.
Fun Fact: during the production of this film Seth Rogen was experimenting with growing his own cannabis at scale, hoping to turn his hobby into a possible business venture in the rapidly expanding US legal cannabis industry. Because this was still very much a pilot project, he was growing stuff for himself and his friends and, thus, growing and crossing his particular favorite strains. Most notably- Blue Dream, from which we get The Green Hornet’s working/stealth title: Blue Harvest.
GODDAMMIT! They did it again!
In keeping the theme of pulp heroes on the big screen, these guys should cover the Mask of Zorro (1998). For one, it’s a legitimately good movie that’s an easy watch. For two, Zorro is a hardline inspiration for Batman. In multiple versions of Batman’s origin, the Wayne’s are shown leaving a showing of the Mark of Zorro. Watching the 98 version, you can totally see how much the Dark Knight drew from “ the Fox.”
Considering how much James loves Zorro, I have a feeling we're getting them eventually
I seriously thought you were doing a blue harvest bit.
@@Thyyyyyyyyme I hope they cover Zorro someday. Incidentally, did you know that in preproduction for that movie, they experimented with swapping Zorro's iconic black mask for a dark navy blue? The movie would have included a scene where Zorro harvests the mask from a fallen foe. This lead to the original working title of the movie, Blue Harvest, which is coincidentally also the original working title of Star Wars (1977)
James fucking loves Zorro. There will inevitably be a Zorro CoG.
I'm surprised they haven't covered Zorro yet. Absolutely - the 98 version and the terrible sequel.
Gondry's career was never the same after this movie…
Also I mostly remember it because after we left the theater some friends and I took a cab home and in that cab one of them lost their phone and then for some reason decided to not get another one for the next 3 years, communication with him was a hassle for that time.
I was hoping Ben would interject again to tell us why this movie is actually good but... no
I'd like to see a vote on what people think about his commentary.
I doubt he liked it
Even Ben doesn't like this one.
I wish @BenFromCanada did more Video Essays. His one on 2 Fast 2 Furious is perfection.
The through-line is that all of them are riffs on 30s pulp.
Also, you can also add Sky Captain (with Law and Paltrow) to the lineup.
And the spirit
The idea of a superhero hiding behind a dork front man as a form of secret identity is next level Dread Pirate Roberts action. I love this conceit. Front man gets taken out? Minor setback, the real muscle just finds a new one. So goooood.
There's not much point to that
@@DSan-kl2yc Thank you for your thoughtful response.
It's interesting how much the 60s show broke this franchise. That show lasted for one season but totally changed the dynamic between Kato and the Green Hornet completely by accident. It's really amazing.
@@wetterschneider you're welcomed
@@walterhoward5512 yea the show actually had Reid fight too. Except when they were pretending for the crime boss angle.
The movie angle was so bad because it's like they were doing a worst iron man.
There should be a series of videos along the theme of "Oh hey, David Harbor is in this".
You definitely should do the Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai across the 8th dimension on caravan of garbage.
That isn't garbage, it's awesome. Jeff Goldblum, Clancy Brown and Peter Weller cement it as beyond amazing
@@mistermatix8241 Yeah? You do realize that the Caravan of Garbage show isn't just about highlighting bad movies but also good films. Have you even watched this show before?
@@tappajavittu only just started, I get that now, sorry
@@mistermatix8241 No probs mate!
@@tappajavittu 🤜🤛
There was a bit of a kafuffle on set as the director was very tempted, in an attempt to make the movie darker and grittier, to make the Green Hornet's costume a dark azure colour instead. Eventually, faithfulness to the source material won out, and the azure costume was thrown out as part of a general cleanup by the designers, the working title for which was Blue Harvest.
PULP HEROES! THEY'RE ALL PULP HEROES!
This has been driving me insane for a month now.
The kids don't know what pulp is. They might not even know what paper is.
@@danielnugent6545 I'm 21!
As someone who’s local to the Detroit area I had no idea we had a history of creating 1930’s radio serials. Loved hearing a local shoutout!
I swear we gave this movie to my grandfather as a birthday gift once and now I'm even sadder that he's gone because I DESPERATELY want to know what he thought of it. I need to hear his quips so badly.
Plot twist: he tossed it straight into the bin when he got home and never watched it, dying happy
I'm stunned you guys didn't mention the fact that Mythbusters of all shows had an episode dedicated to promoting this movie by testing several things that happen in it. Likely the only thing people remember this movie for.
Literally the only time I had heard of this movie prior to today
I literally would not know this movie existed if it weren't for that Mythbusters episode.
Is that the one where they cut the car in half using the elevator?
I hear Seth Rogan’s laugh
when I read this comment.
Bravo 👏
The failure of The Green Hornet can be summed up in one single sentence:
They took a series that had the greatest martial artist of all time in it and ruined the martial arts scenes with gratuitous CGI.
The villain is the only thing that makes it even remotely watchable.
I don't think I've ever found Seth Rogan funny or likeable so his character in this didn't seem any worse than usual to me
Watch An American Pickle
I used to enjoy his films/performances in stuff like Pineapple Express, Superbad and Knocked Up, but pretty much everything he did from the early 2010s to the present was the same character he puts no effort into and his schtick just felt so tired. His best work in the last 10 years was playing Steve Wozniak in the Jobs movie and producing the boys and invincible than for any of his comedy films. His voice acting especially is very lazy and he doesn't even try to change his voice.
I like Funny People. The rare occurrence where I like Sandler as well
@@rorylynch7775what, you didn't like Santa Inc lol?
@@OneArmedRetroGamerSandler can be a good actor when he wants to be in stuff like Uncut Gems, Punch Drunk Love, and the Meyerowitz Stories. He just chooses to do a bunch of lazy comedy movies so he can hang out with his friends. The same cannot be said for Rogen who is just a one trick pony of "Weed, ha ha"
I grew up watching reruns of Batman ‘66 and The Green Hornet so when this came out I was super excited for it. It’s honestly one of my guilty pleasures.
That being said, it’s weird that at that time we were getting serious Batman movies and a comedic Green Hornet movie when the Batman ‘66 show was the comedic one and The Green Hornet was the serious one.
The thing the movie suffers from the most is this pop culture misunderstanding that Kato did all the work (mostly down to Bruce Lee and his popularity.) In the show they actually had a good dynamic where Reid is the detective who solves the clues and Kato was the fighter. The Green Hornet and Kato are basically Batman split into two people.
Kato doing all the work /could/ work, but it needs more of a sense of purpose I think. It felt like they were reaching for a "Big Trouble in Little China" thing, where they wanted to subvert the trope of the Asian sidekick by putting the white guy on the back foot and make them less effective. I think the difference in Big Trouble in Little China that's like a central conceit of the script and Kurt Russel's character is enjoyable to watch.
Seth Rogen's character getting sympathetic backstory in the beginning doesn't play with this well for example. It feels more like the producers were worried that it would come off as racist to have an Asian companion at all and were trying to lampshade it, without realizing that putting an Asian character in a servant/butler type role is not the same as a British butler for Batman (so maybe that's what you wanna rework instead)?
Yeah, the ideal image they'd want to have is that Kato is the enforcer. The Green Hornet is masquerading as a rogue mob boss, and what self respecting mod boss doesn't have enforcers?
Reid is a detective, and is the figurehead for the double life they're running, but he's also a capable fighter/helps with the inventions. Kato is the inventor, is a better fighter but lacks Reid's acting chops and analytical skills.
Like you said, it's like the creator of Batman saw the Green Hornet/Kato dynamic and just combined the characters, since the Hornet and Kato have been around longer than Batman or Superman.
Please do Scott Pilgrim vs. the World before the new Netflix series! You could also do the video game for Never Go Back!
That quick “Rodney” is perfect lolol
For the upcoming Napoleon movie, should do the Scott triple of Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven and Robin Hood. You could do the Last Duel as well, but I feel it’s a different fit to the others.
Dude for a second my heart dropped in disgust & I thought there was going to be a Napoleon Dynamite remake, but then I remembered the TH-cam adds
I also should have read the rest of your comment lol
Or watch Hannibal. Horny Gary Oldman returns in an even worse way than Dracula. But this time he's great, but the rest of the movie sucks (besides the music).
You're right, The Last Duel is a much different movie from the others. No tommy guns in that one.
I feel like The Last Duel is a significantly better movie than Robin Hood. Though definitely not as good as Kingdom of Heaven and Gladiator.
You nailed it. Rogan’s portrayal of the Hornet made it so hard to root for him.
Arrow (2012) learned an important green lesson from 2011.
I wouldn't be surprised if the idea to use greasepaint and a hood instead of a domino mask and Robin Hood hat came from this flopping. Eventually he did get the mask though.
To fight Chad Coleman?
Let’s just say that one lesson was learned, and over years of diminishing returns many lessons were lost.
As someone that has had a brain tumour removed recently I can confirm I used to see exactly like Kato
Thanks Ben and Laurence for that split second clip of 'A Drum and Two Cymbals Fall Off a Cliff', Matt Gray and Tom Scott are my next favourite duo alongside the Aussie boys 💕
You made me realize something interesting about this otherwise not interesting movie: Rogen wrote and plays Britt Reid as the worst possible version of the idle-rich crimefighter archetype. He's an unstable incompetent egomaniac who just decides to "take up the mantle" because it seems fun. It's like if the vapid Bruce Wayne persona was out there in a mask instead of the focused and driven Batman. No code, all utility belt.
See also Observe and Report, where he basically plays the opposite character: Bruce if he were Batman 24/7 and also a driven, intense, draconian, paranoid, mentally unstable, poor mall security guard. All code, can't afford a utility belt.
I feel like Seth Rogen really wants this character study to work.
I haven’t watched this, but it scans like, “We need him to be an irresponsible playboy, because Iron Man, so let’s do that.”
I inexplicably love the spirit, would love too see you guys cover it.
Since its the spookiest time of the year (tax time) Y'all should review every attempt to begin the Dark Universe: Van Helsing, Dracula Untold, da mummy, Renfield
You did it wrong. He’s not JUST talking about tax time
Renfield wasn't an attempt at that, but I'm totally for this idea. Plus I, Frankenstein which isn't Universal but carries the spirit of these projects.
Do "The Sasquatch Dumpling Gang". You boys will love it.
This movie has a soft spot in my heart, despite me never seeing it, as they added his gun to a game that was basically Worms but with other animals, as a piece of cross promotion, and it was such a fun gun to use
Cameron Diaz is in this and she was in The Mask, and that had a Tommy Gun. That is your connection.
The most unbelievable thing about this movie is the idea that Seth Rogen would be concerned about crime in a big city.
Is this a political thing? Ew
@@oontgradThe OP is referencing some extremely out of touch things that Seth has said in the past.
@@oontgrad No, he only disregarded and belittled a TH-camr who had his car broken into in LA, claiming it not to be a big deal. Questioning a man worth 80 million telling you that you shouldn't worry about your car that much and that LA is "fine" shouldn't be political statement, it's just common sense to trash him. - From a guy who works in LA
@@oontgrad Rogan actively goes out of his way to wind people up and comes across as a douche in general. It's hard to separate.
@@FrankLeeYoung”a youtuber” lmao it was casey neistat and he complained that the only reason his film equipment kept on his car seat in clear view was stolen was the fact police don’t have infinite money. anybody with a brain keeps their film equipment in the trunk at least
Some say Kevin Smith did direct a version of this movie, but the film negatives were damaged when Smith cried all over them.
While I would of preferred a movie serious Green Hornet movie, I feel Green Hornet stumbled so The Boys and Invincible could walk… that’s a good silver lining
Seth Rogan acted like a two year old in the Green Hornet movie.
I humbly re-suggest...
EMMERICH-GEDDON
Stargate, Independence Day, The Day After Tomorrow, 2012.
It’s crazy to me they still haven’t done Independence Day. It’s my favourite movie 😂
Came straight from the Green Lantern Caravan of Garbage and I'm glad that we have seen "Green Trivia" blossom into "Horny Green Trivia."
Turns out, all four movies made use of Bennett Sperber construction company. He's listed as the foreman or construction crew depending on the movie.
I had to run the entire cast and crew listing for each movie through caradasi-style spreadsheet and he was the only one who popped up.
I suppose he must have just been working for a long time.
Fun fact, the green in Seth Rogen's mask wasn't showing up on camera properly, so they ended up going for a shade of blue, trying to find a shade of blue that would harvest the light properly to appear green would lead to the working title of the movie being blue harvest
I'm typing this half-asleep, please boo accordingly
My friend took me to see this film when it came out, and I'd just returned home from being overseas for almost a month and it was about 30 minutes in when I realised I wasn't watching The Green Lantern 😆
I was extremely confused because I'd never heard of The Green Hornet before but I remember mildly enjoying it
There's a spoof of Sherlock Holmes where Sherlock is actually a bumbling idiot and Watson does all the real detective work. I wonder if that inspired this movie?
I feel like there is a specific type of action movie that is "you know it when you see it". The rock, Armageddon, con air etc. Stuff thats ridiculous but still very earnest and not self aware at all
We need a series of "You know it when you see it" serieses on Caravan of Garbage
its the 90s
@@DeanS946 not all 90s tho, stuff like speed seems like it should be part of the genre, but is too ridiculous and silly
All these movies are connected by their throwbacks to the Golden Age hero.
Having no connection with the source material I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, it has some really over the top and funny scenes.
MASSIVE PROPS once again to the editors; that somehow manage to encapsulate everything we are feeling whilst making Maso and James shine. Loving it!
I keep telling you: The common thread is "Pulp hero adaptations"
The connection is there’s always a bunch of blokes in suits with funny moustaches
This movie was the most disrespect the Green Hornet mythos got since Robin bested Kato in the Green Hornet x Batman crossover episodes in 1967.
I wanna see you guys cover either the Tremors movie series or Anaconda, Lake Placid & Piranha 3DD as a trilogy, for no reason other than i like them 😉. Plus i really feel like watching the Zorro movies now after watching this
I pirated this in 480p on my 11 inch laptop with no left speaker while drunk on vodka and also watching football, and I thought it was pretty good 😅
This remains the only movie I ever walked out of... not by choice. I was young and my parents were really big fans of the original T.V show, halfway through they said nope this is garbage and we went home. Couple of years later I rewatched it on my own... yeah, it's terrible, glad my parents got me out the first time
Heh, my Grandpa and I did the same thing (also the only time we've walked out of a movie, funnily enough). My dad was a big fan of the TV show, so we grew up with that.
It's crazy that the movie made as much money as it did. I always thought it made much less, but that's way more. Honestly, they just needed a reduced budget. Focus more on the fights than expensive car stuff and 3D.
The talent both behind and in front of the camera is incredible. The cast is great, Michel Gondry is an fantastic director but I think this is absolutely one of the biggest case of Studio Meddling. To Be Honest I thought the movie was okay but It could have been better considering who is involved
you think Seth Rogen is incredible. The guy that plays the same lazy character in everything. The guy that protected James Franco for being a rapist. The guy who thought it was funny to tell a late night show story about how he knew James Franco was an experienced pedophile & catfished him as a teenage girl
Ok good for u
Putting Seth Rogen and Michel Gondry together is unbelievably strange. Gondry's style is very earnest and innocent and whimsical, whereas Rogen likes subversion and "dude what if this beloved old character swore and did drugs lol". Their sensibilities do not mesh at all, and the combination brings out the worst in both of them.
Masterful Rodney edit, took me by surprise and I had to pause the video until I finished laughing
Huge fan of the Green Hornet and Kato in other media. This movie was a travesty. My grandpa brought me up on the old Green Hornet show as a kid. When he saw that this movie was coming out, he was really excited. We went to the theater, he paid for the tickets, and then we had to watch this shit. We were disappointed as fans but at least we got to spend some time together.
After watching the boys and preacher. I would love for him Seth to get another crack at the green hornet
My dad took me to see this in theaters, I was about 13. We both liked it a lot. At the time I thought we had discovered a banger of a movie, as an adult I just don't know if my dad ever moved past being 13.
Oh my god I was so happy to see The Guy Who Shouts Rodney- even for such a brief moment! Genuinely made my day better.
Oh so that's why it's called Blue Harvest.
I saw this movie in the theaters with my wife. Every few minutes we would look at each other and ask if we should leave.
Rodney!
Also movies to cover:
•Last Action Hero
•Spy Kids
•The 1950s Jules Verne movies
•Wallace and Grommit: Curse of the Wererabbit
•Chicken Run
•Adventures Elmo in Grouchland (A real gem, Mandy Patinkin hams it up so hard as the villian and its only slightly over one hour)
•Splice( its just a really stupid movie)
•Parent Trap (both original and remake to compare how bad the original actually is and the premise itself)
I feel like we have this movie to thank for The Boys, Invincible, Mutant Mayhem, etc. Because maybe if Seth didn't have this learning experience on the production side, those wouldn't be as good.
I maintain Rogen's best work in the last 10 years has been as a producer than as an Actor, considering how he just plays the same character in every movie and his whole weed ah-ha-ha schtick has long worn thin. He rivals Dwayne Johnson as one of the laziest actors in Hollywood. Genuinely, the only good performance I've seen him give in the last decade was as Steve Wozniak in the Steve Jobs movie. However his work as a producer is great
I watched this movie all the time as a kid and honestly I still really enjoy watching it. It's great fun.
Funny enough this was the movie that introduced me to Christoph Waltz. So that is one positive thing I got from this movie.
I don't care what anybody says. I like this movie. It's not great. It's not even that good. But I think it's entertaining and funny enough that I can overlook the less funny parts. I just miss standalone superhero movies. I miss different superhero movies. A lot of things didn't work here but some of it did and I admire the risk taking
The final part where they solve the mystery was incredible in 3D
Before landing on the idea of The Green Hornet, the creators of the 1930s radio show, George W. Trendle and Fran Striker initially thought that due to the fact that it would be debuting on The Blue Network (previously known as the NBC Blue Network) which was the on-air name of a now defunct American radio network, which broadcast from 1927 through 1945; they should have called it The Blue Hornet. However, due to the idea that it could be perceived by audiences as a mascot character for The Blue Network, they decided to make it The Green Hornet instead. During the filming of the movie, Michel Gondry had the idea of harvesting a hornets nest for a scene that would be later deleted due to studio interference from Sony Pictures. Due to these two pieces of history surrounding the character's creation and the making of the film, it had the working title 'Blue Harvest' which was coincidentally the working title of the original Star Wars (1977)
You mention that Kevin Smith was originally going to direct but had to drop out but you didn’t mention that he wrote a comic following the story he would have done had he made the film
They went through almost 30 Black Beauty cars making this movie. RIP cars.
I cannot believe that as a 13 year old, I saw this this movie in theaters. More than once. What was wrong with me.
i saw The Phantom Menace NINE TIMES in the theatre and i was 17. i ABSOLUTELY should have known better.
@@fionasnapple SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@titusmccarthy lol look we were all swept up in Episode 1 fever when it came out. it was the first new Star Wars movie in 16 years! we had spent the year leading up to its release excitedly discussing all the fan theories and "things we heard". We were too excited to realize it was a horrible movie lolol
You enjoyed true cinema back then..
Mr Sunday Movies or should I say Mr Scumbag Movies. My friend won one your Lootbox prizes over 5 years ago and still hasn't received it. Give this man his Lootbox. Sincerely, Vengeance.
Rodney tried to reappear but he was eaten by swamp thing
Saw this in theater. Kind of like it tbh. Gondry's visual techniques and action staging are pretty much a blast and carry it through its narrative and character issues for me, especially when it's not really all that serious of a movie. It's a movie where a guy has a double gun and an identity crisis over what his villain hook should be. Mostly fun nonsense I think. Rogan's comments are weird talking about how Gondry probably wasn't ready to tackle a big budget action movie because the way Gondry handles that stuff is clearly the best thing about the film. The things that were supposedly under great scrutiny (dialog, narrative, character) are the film's main weaknesses.
Would have loved to see what Stephen Chow could have done with it though. Incredibly fun action comedy filmmaker and I think the rumor was that he would also play Kato. Would have been great.
The link is that during the production they all had used a blue screen background instead of green, and, funny enough, every single one of these movies had the working title Blue Harvest because of it
We remember The Green Hornet, when we were young. Seth Rogan, managed to turn the Green Hornet into a coward, and someone with a mental disorder. No reason whatsoever to watch/get this movie.
I suggest weird Ralph Bakshi animated films from the 70s for Caravan of Garbage
Love that we got an ephemeral glimpse of The Guy Who Shouts Rodney. Good times/never forget.
Random fun fact, the green hornet set that was featured in Once Upon in Hollywood was filmed at Excelsior high School in Norwalk, CA. It's actually about a mile from where I grew up, it's an adult school now
That Rodney call back just gave me so much serotonin, you have no idea.
There was a roleplaying game from the early 2000s called "Adventure", which was aimed at playing in the Pulp Adventure genre. In the Storytellers' guide section, it elaborated on what Pulp Adventure is and isn't.
Pulp Adventure is a genre originating and generally taking place in the first half of the 20th century, especially in the inter-war and WWII periods. The horrors and difficulties of the day made escapism popular. It features stalwart heroes and over-the-top villains. Common elements include: Gangsters, international cartels, mysterious "unexplored" regions of the world, the novelty of air travel, thrilling chases, races against time, vigilantism, science fiction gadgetry, and mysterious, magical, or paranormal abilities.
Pulp Adventure can be contrasted with three other forms that emerged in the same general period of time.
Pulp Adventure is not Noir. While pulp heroes are not morally black-and-white, noir protagonists are not even heroes. The characters in noir are fundamentally broken, in a pessimistic world where good does not really triumph over evil, or if it does, it leaves scars. A pulp climax will have a large brawl, a thrilling chase, a big shootout, etc. Whereas a noir climax ends with one regrettable gunshot on a dark waterfront.
Pulp Adventure is not Camp. Camp stories have deliberately simplistic, over-the-top heroes and villains. While Pulp Adventure can be lurid, sexy, violent, with a focus on seedy underworlds, secret cults, or mad science, Camp takes these elements to the extreme, aiming for shock value that would alienate and offend a general audience. Pulp stories are usually a bit fanciful, but generally take their own premise seriously, whereas Camp is deliberately funny.
Pulp Adventure is not Four-Color Superheroics. Although many pulp heroes have featured in the comic book medium, the genre is most clearly distinguished by the scale. Superman can lift a battleship out of the sea, whereas a pulp strongman might be able to lift the back end of a car with effort. Pulp adventure is generally more violent, sexier, and less child-friendly than 4CSH. Superheroes generally win in the final climax via a creative application of their powers, whereas pulp heroes usually win by their wits and gumption.
Of these four strains, I think Pulp Adventure is probably the hardest to nail without accidentally landing in one of the other three. Further difficulties arise when one attempts to change the setting from early 20th century. But you can have pulp westerns (the Lone Ranger, Jonah Hex), space pulp (Buck Rogers, Star Wars), or pulp adventure in the 1980s (Buckaroo Bonzai), or even cyber-pulp (The Matrix).
You could look at these as a Venn diagram of four circles overlapping. The borders aren't perfectly clear. But as you have said in all these videos "you know it when you see it".
Now give me my $1000!
I recommend the toxic avenger it’s a wholesome experience for the whole family
Well the green hornet is a bit of a combo breaker. The first four were all set in 38 but green hornet is 36.
Back in 1936 when they were designing the character, the original idea as to have him be called the Blue Hornet. To keep that a secret, the project was called "Blue Harvest"
The brief return of “the guy who shouts Rodney!!” Such a tease
I remember watching this movie as a kid and realizing movies can be bad.
5:30 Or maybe...
The Blue Morpho?!
I can’t even explain how much time I spend during the week with episodes of this playing in the background. Have probably watched the opening 10 minutes to the fantastic four video 50 times and I love it. Keep up the good work 😉
OMFG! OMFG! I heard that RODNEY TEASE! THANK YOU!
RIP Rodney. You served us all well and I will forever cherish our memories together.
As a 20 year old, I loved this and so do all my friends