Farewell ID.4 - The TRUTH About The VW ID.4 After 1 Year and 16k Miles
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- The time has come... for a 1 year review of my 2021 VW ID.4 Pro S w/ Gradient RWD and to replace it! Join me as I share the pros and cons after a year living with it.
00:00 Intro and my EV background
01:12 Exterior Walk-around and Condition
03:11 Interior Tour and Condition
06:20 Ownership Experience
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These genuine customer reviews and comments are so helpful for determining such a major purchase. Thank you all 🎈
Thanks for the great input on the VW ID.4. Always great to hear long term reviews of EV's.
My wife just picked hers up today in Tampa. A 2022 Pro S RWD. It has software version 3.1 I know the lagging software speed has been fixed but am not sure if other annoying features have or not. This is our first EV. We took the 100k miles/10 year full extended warranty. We own Toyotas that have gone 160k miles without anything except battery, brake pads and tire changes. Nothing happens to them but the German engineering stuff I am not so sure about except they want to charge you a lot to fix.
had no idea vw has sent 0 updates. agree, sell and move on!
I've watched multiple reviews for the Id4 and 5 because I opted for an ID.5 GTX. They all talk how multiple updates improved the car, one pedal driving was one of the features added.
It seems that you only get OTA updates after version 3.0 so with earlier software you have to go to the dealer.
@@realredfox I've read there have been no updates in the US, that is all EU.
Very helpful information right here!!! Thanks!!
Great review Branden, comprehensive, well observed...
not sure why i just watched this, but thanks for the content!
I'm with you 100% on piano black..
I learned that the fan speed for the app climate control is based on the last setting you had the last time you drove the car.
So if the fan speed was low while driving , when you activate through the app, regardless of if it’s 110° outside, the fan will generate a low temp/low fan speed. It doesn’t consider outside temp then modify AC fan speed to get a quick cool down. Just totally dependent on your last setting while you were driving.
I always used auto
Thank you for the great detailed review. It helped me cancel my order which actually just arrived at the dealer today. 😊
If it was a 2022, I think you made the right choice. If anything, get a 2023
Have had mine since February (ID.4 AWD) and love it! And I completely agree with every point you've made, both the good and the bad. So far I haven't really been annoyed by the quirks, but I have this synergistic feeling of annoyance in support of everyone who is :-) The quirks just aren't applicable to my every-day experience.
I don't need to schedule charging, for example, because I almost universally can plug it in around noon and peak doesn't start until 4pm. I do leave the climate control on when leaving the vehicle quite often, but I live in a more moderate climate so running at half power isn't so noticeable. I've had a few minor software faults (and the same bad coolant pump that so many others reported, which the dealer replaced very quickly). The car sometimes stops suddenly when backing up on uneven ground or gravel because it thinks I'm going to hit something when I'm not.
I learned very quickly to turn off the multi-button press features that roll all the windows down and start the climate control (after finding the vehicle in the driveway with all the windows rolled down on two occasions when I thought it was off and secure), and to turn off the mode that unlocks the car as you approach. I have the climate control set to start when the car is unlocked and the car is only unlocked proactively... either by hitting the unlock on the Fob or pulling on the door.
The app is unusable so... I just don't use it. Stuff like that... all minor annoyances.
My 'favorite' annoyance is that the car instantly decides you are leaving and wants to turn itself off if you are sitting there in park and just shift your weight a bit on the seat :-). Its kindergarten software programming at best.
I am a bit disappointed that VW can't seem to get its act together on software updates and yah... it would be so amazing if they would just make the utterly trivial software fixes to all of the little niggling quirks. I'm just gobsmacked that a company like VW can't make even the simplest fixes to their software. But even with all my griping, none of these reach the level where it causes me to dislike the vehicle. I'm happy with it.... just wish VW would make a bit more of an effort on the software's QOL issues.
I love mine too.
Im selling mine tomorrow, 18 months and 61k miles. I will echo pretty much every sentiment here. I love the car it’s been a blast and my first EV but VW (and I loved my Jetta) really let us down. It’s December and we are finally getting a dealer update - I won’t though. The “sit to start” seems like a great idea, until you have to get out the car and then wait a year for it to reboot - and yeah the app is garbage
@japanwatchconnection I got an Ioniq 5 Ltd
Great honest review Branden! Yes, it's the niggly things but they add up and contribute to the ownership experience. Looking forward to more videos.
Great video.. I have the identical 1st edition as yours... also just now has 17000 miles. If I was to make a video review it would have been just about identical. Same annoyances but still a good car. That SW 3.1 could definitely resolve most of them. My #1 update would be auto hold or 1 pedal driving.. #2 would be plug and charge and it looks like neither are on the update. I'll welcome an updated less glitchy interface though. I paid 45k.. and got 10k IRS and Oregon tax rebates. Still ahead of the game when it comes to resale.. pretty happy with that considering typically losing 20 percent driving a car off the lot is typical. I kinda want to take advantage of that and maybe pre order an AWD '23 which would likely take care of most of my issues and also would reset the warranty... but don't want to go through the hassle either.
Great video. All the stuff that normal sales reviews (sales men in reviewer clothes) don’t tell you.
We‘ve had ours since mid-December 2021. Done approx. 11000 miles since. Been to to the UK, France and Denmark. We charge on the street.
There‘s been the occasional glitch at Ionity chargers.
Otherwise we‘re really happy with the vehicle. The best value new car I‘ve ever had.
It looks like VW is starting to roll out the software update here in Germany which I‘m looking forward to.
BTW the app and AC has worked perfectly.
I’ve had my ID 4 since May 2021 and have about 11,300 miles on it. Although I do like the car, the annoyances mentioned here esp the charging unreliability is what I share too. I’d like to sell mine, great car but just that my circumstances have changed. Any suggestions on where / how to sell this privateer?
Just a clarification on software updates, they are available in Europe, version 2.4 done at the dealer with some hardware improvements and required to ota version 3.0 that fixes most issues you mentioned like scheduled charging, infotainment issues, etc, it also increases the charging from 125kw to 135kw. The last info I got was that software updates for the US and Canada will go online once the cars are built in the US at the end of summer or in the fall at the latest.
They’ve been saying it’s coming for months
Yah... in Europe. Not in the U.S. In California and I'm still on 2.3 (which is what my ID.4 AWD shipped with). No updates on the horizon other than an email from VW every once in a while promising that the dealer appointments will be coming soon. So far nothing though.
Very fair and balanced review. While I love how the car drives I totally agree that the SW is the most disappointing part of it and it is incredible that VW can not get their act together here in the US to role the updates. In the EU they did that months ago. Despite all the marketing words VW does not seem to care at all about the US market. The other rather disappointing thing is how much the AC or heating impact the millage (this car can not get past 200 miles in cold or hot weather). Not sure if a heat pump option would actually help much.
VW fired their CEO due to software problems. They have a separate software division is apparently a mess and a year late delivering..... Interestingly, my 7 year old BMW i3 only loses a few miles of range with AC on.
Great review, thanks for posting! I appreciate the honesty (I have a 2023 on order and am paying close attention to past issues!). Question - when you got the drivetrain issue, was the car moving/being driven? Or was it when you got in to start it? If the former, I would be very concerned; if the latter, I think I could live with that happening occasionally, although annoying.
Drivetrain warning was the latter. Glad you found it helpful - I’d recommend paying close attention to the tax credit situation.
@@brandenflasch Can you expand of the tax credit situation? thanks
@@mariozamora9684 it is immensely complicated and not my area of expertise. I’ll defer to others for that
@@mariozamora9684 They changed the rules to exclude EVs above a certain price, people that make upper-middle class incomes (IRC $125k or more) and vehicles without a high percentage of US parts. That's just a summary, the devil is in the details.
I have had my ID.4 almost 1 year - I agree with Brandon - My biggest complaint is no infotainment updates. Trash VW app almost useless. Love driving the car! It's supper hot in Phoenix AZ and seams that charging in the heat is not working very well and the sensors for cruise control and lane assist all seam to quit working at about 110F degrees. Auto temp does not work, I set it at 75, but never actually keeps it there while driving.
I totally forgot to mention that the lane keeping stuff pops up as not available when it sits in the sun and gets too hot
Just sold mine too. Great car generally, but like you said, it's the little things... death by a thousand cuts or something like that.
Death by a thousand software bugs
Fantastic review. May I ask what % tint for the front windows to match the rear? Car looks sharp.
I believe it was 30%
So glad I'm not an early adopter. 2 month after picking ours up and still in love with it. And I still have hope for actually receiving an software update since the 2022s already got them installed.
Yes, there are things to dislike, like the annoying 30 minutes AC duration. Took our dogs for a road trip to Key West, and I had to pay close attention to my phone and make sure I activate the AC once every 30 minutes is really annoying. The dumbbell drill doesn't work if you are not inside the car. And when using the dumbbell and seatbelt clip, I cannot lock the car from the outside. It seems dumbbell only works if you are sleeping inside the vehicle, and you can lock it from the inside and have AC running. And luckily the app was working good every time I need it to remote start the car.
I have never had the AC not cooling issue. I have kept the dogs in the car for over an hour on several occasions, and the car is as cool as I set it to. Only one time I had an issue was at the Daytona charger. I had the car charging and after about 30 minutes, I sit back inside with the dogs. And all in a sudden the AC stopped cooling, and it starts to blow hot air. So I had to stop charging and take it to interstate. After 5 minutes driving the AC is back. I suppose that's either because the battery was overheating, or there's some glitch because I did used the delayed AC function when getting out of the vehicle, and it was very hot and humid just after a rain. Too bad that the Car Scanner app took away most of the monitoring from the free version the day before my trip, so I cannot check.
Just like you said, the ID4 is such a great vehicle from all physical aspects, driving, NVH, etc. But the software is just its Achilles heel.
What's different about being an early adopter vs buying a 2021 now? Either way you wouldn't have the update yet.
@@brandenflasch difference is I'm not getting tired of waiting 😆
Fair enough 😂
I think your statement about MME's DCFC charging speed being worse is mistaken. I've seen consisent power delivery of around 120-135 kW or even a little more up to where the curve begins to fall off. When I first got the car it pretty much fell off a cliff at 80% SoC but Ford pushed an update that extended the faster part of the curve up to ~90% and made the ramp down a lot more gradual after that, down to maybe 30-35 kW at 95% SoC. If I'm remembering correctly (I've only fast charged our cars maybe 7 times since we got the first one in July 2021 so my recollection might be a little off) the car will charge 10-80% SoC in about a half hour, maybe a little longer, on a 150 kW DCFC.
I've got the Škoda, almost identical car. But the infotainment isn't laggy like the vw, the app shows the kW charging speed and it has never crashed. The car has proper switches not haptic ones. Mine is July 21 too and it came with auto hold. It's much better than the tesla model 3 I had before. Your review matches the feeling I had when I tested an id4 for a weekend. Good luck with your next car. 👍
I have also chosen the Enyaq, but it will be another 5 month before I receive it.
Wish Enyaq was available in North America 🤷♂️
@@brandenflasch I suspect VW would not like the competition! 🤣
Nah, Skoda has handful with orders in Europe meaning factory is already pushed to limit.
Fair review, I have come to same conclusion with ours. Saying goodbye as well. It's been "death by 1,000 software cuts" with this car. Really comfortable and nice to drive, but I had one software glitch that caused the AC to go out and on the way to the dealer to get it fixed I hit debris in the road, towed to the dealer, took three days to get a tire. They discover the rim is damaged when they removed the tire, another day to get a rim in the meantime a hail storm hits while it is at the dealer and $3000 later I get it back. It's a cursed car.
Eek. That’s quite the storm of problems (literally)
buy a tire plan from a dealer no out of pocket and most plans cost under 2K and give up to $5000 of tires in addition to rim replacement
I generally agree with you. I had most of the same experiences you had. kept mine for almost two years and sold it back to the dealer. had issues that VW could not fix! EVs need to charge faster and have more range before I will ever own one again. have had a Hyundai Sonata for ten months with not an issue and two software updates I downloaded.
I just got my ID.4 which I ordered back in September. I really love this car. Much better than the Bolt I had. Now about the updates via the software. Version 3.1 has many impressive changes. 135 kW peaks, but my first plug in I actually got 145 kW for about 5 minutes. And had over 100 kW till around 60%. At 80% it was down to 60 kW. I am in Florida and it was very hot outside. Navigation is a good improvement. But I just got it so I'm still learning about it.
I still think Tesla is wayyyy better
@@yatinkheti2427 I got a skoda enyaq sportline 80x. Where I live, a tesla model Y costs 20k more than what I paid for the enyaq. I find the model Y looks ugly in comparison (both interior and exterior) and I can't see how wayyy better it can be to justify a 20k difference. The advantage for tesla is you wait less to get it.
@@inebium Fair points
When you say ordered do you mean reserved and if so when did you lock in your reservation? I reserved mine in November with a lock in date of March. Pushing me to Nov-Jan delivery date when it was scheduled to be Aug.
@@crispyonion reserved 2021 September and locked in January 2022.
Regarding your 110Amp charger, I plan to charge mine at home. How long would it take to charge ? I plan to charge it 8hours every day at night. How many miles would I get on a 8 hour charge ?
120V - it would take a few days from empty to full. 8 hours would give you about 30 miles of range.
@@brandenflasch I drive 60 miles round trip to work. So pretty much that means I would run out eventually every week even if I’m charging it .
@@eduardoe4200 I think it’s quite likely your car is sitting more than 8 hours per day.
After you leased/rented the 2021 VW ID4 for a year, you gave a very fair review. Any plans on purchasing an EV that you like?
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We are keeping ours for now. Yes the app is annoying. But its one of the more affordable EVs out there. And you still get the tax break. And the resale value is good because of the shortage. So no regrets here.
I don’t regret picking it either, but I would’ve gotten Ioniq 5 if it had been available when I got my ID.4.
There is a150 day supply as of July 29th. Hardly a shortage.
@@tommac5411 they’re held at port for updates
Thanks ❤
Thank you for the honest review. Helped me in my consideration, which did include the ID.4 despite knowing it’s heavy and less efficient. Had no idea it could be a
I’d take my efficiency numbers with a bit of a grain of salt - I use the right pedal pretty liberally. However, it is a heavy SUV with a pretty flat front end. Glad you found it helpful. What are you considering instead?
Thanks for the overview and summary of ownership! I know it's not all bad but man does this car seem way behind in terms of basic EV offerings.
I love my ID4 only comfort and smooth ride,but worse in this car is breaks,I feel like driving semi truck with heavy weight and hard to stop a vehicle,and always put on B mode to keep my breaks in better position.And of course one pedal driving complete B.S. pedal driving My honest opinion
Good review validating why I canceled our reservation for this car 2 times !! I wonder if you EVER buy another VW EV after your experience?!
You cancelled twice?! I wouldn’t rule out buying a VW EV ever again
@@brandenflasch Ya two times and every time after discovering how far behind VW is compared to Tesla when it comes to Battery, Battery Electronics and software! Compared to Tesla ID4 is a marginal improvement over an ICE car and that's not what EV buyers want. That's why according to the last AutoLine Daily, VW has more than 153 days of ID4 inventory and plans to offer massive promotions to dump the inventory!!
I think all the vehicle makers are having a tough time trying to catch up to Tesla. VW isn't going to be any better or worse than any other car maker not named Tesla. So unless your next car is gonna be a Tesla...
In a sense, I understand the struggle the car makers are having. Their software and firmware practices are stone-age, but it just didn't matter until Tesla came around and started using modern operating systems and the ability to fix software bugs in literally one or two days.
But now it does matter, and yet the traditional vehicle makers still have no idea just how important their software and firmware programmers have become. And probably won't figure it out until they get dragged through the mud for another year or two with falling sales and poor reviews. The question is whether they can make the transition before otherwise going bankrupt or getting steamrolled by Tesla, or Chinese brands for that matter.
in europe its offerd with a pivotable pull tow and we got the GTX model to, with 299 horsepower, and 460 neuton meter torke it can tow, op to, 1400 kg. ( sory its in metric)
Ordered a 2023 today. I see 30 min charging on EA is free. Would you let me know how many miles or % range you get in 30 minutes.
Likely 80%. Lots of variables.
I want to add several things I personally think VW should do to make it a better car after owning it for 3 months. I think the following are likely easy/cheap things to address (just a guess) and would make it a more successful car (at least to me).
1) Front doors sound hollow/cheap: Every time I close the door it remind me of cheapness. I can't imagine it would cost much to fix.
2) The interior door grabs feel cheap/awkward.
3) I would get rid of the black piano plastic (feels cheap and smudges easily) from high touch areas. It smudges easily and sounds/feels like cheap plastic.
4) Add a true rear license plate holder (they literally drill holes in plastic bumper to attach license (seems cheap)
5) In Pro S- add a front camera like the back camera (for the prices of pro-s I think it should have front camera).
6) All driver side (door) controls should be re-worked. Most complain about the window controls. I can live with that..but hate the door lock controls and most of their controls on the right side. The door lock I think is a liability. I think when light is on it is locked and when not it is unlocked. It seems slow to respond and hard to do without looking at. I would just say these 2 things: (a) be consistent and allow a driver to be able to feel and tell/control rather than have to look at a light to see what stats of control is (b) and/or have a blind person (or just blind fold a person) sit in the car and try to use the controls. I am not advocating the blind drive, but there is a certain touch aspect to controls. Be consistent and have some ability to feel the controls. Most drivers will adapt to a car... but the VW fights the ability to do this with how they did the controls. I would fire whoever approved these controls (especially all the right side ones including headlamps).
7) I actually am fine with the center controls (I can adapt to most)... but at night... at least in my ID.4... I could not see where volume and temp controls were. If there is no light on them at least put a better feel on them so I know what I am controlling.
I love the drive of the car. It is peppy and fun to drive. I prefer it in parking lots to the mach-e (likely due to the better turning radius, etc)... but the touch/feel of controls and the sound of the door closing kills my sense of it being a good car. It drives well but so many things feel/sound cheap inside.
That's funny, front doors are one of the best. They can take a 150 Kg load and that sound you hear is quality!
To each their own. Ours sounded cheap and hollow like a thin soda can. If shopping for one just open/close doors and if doesn't bother you then don't worry about it. We sold ours and moved on.
I bought a seat belt clip insert just so I can keep the climate on in my ID.4
What is seat belt clip? I thought you needed to trick it with ~10 kg weight on the driver seat.
Another reviewer reported many problems with the software in the ID.4 that VW was unable to correct.
omg I have scheduled charging in my 2017 Leaf.
VW needs to get all of these issues cleaned up ASAP or it will poison new buyers for ANY VW.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the frustrations charging on road trips.
Until recently, charging has been mostly issue-free. I have a whole series from last fall doing a 4500 mile road trip and I didn’t have any issues on EA.
4:38 matte screen film, good idea. I wish it was standard.
Easy to install. I have a video about it.
yeah it sucks that they haven't done any updates for early adopters. I get mine in 3 weeks, and it will have 3.1 installed which fixes a few of the things that you mentioned as annoyances. Can't wait to see the next car.
I'm driving my 1st Edition still and crossing my fingers that we actually do get the OTA updates in August as was said most recently by VW.
@@RonRattie I'm convinced that once the current batch of ID.4 are released from ports VW will start to push all the updates.
@@Demobot1 well they need to get them out then lol. I'm ready to see what's new and try it out.
@@RonRattie I agree. VW needs to stop embarrassing themselves and release those updates.
@@RonRattie did they release it?
Did you sell it to take profit perchance?
I didn’t run detailed numbers but I essentially drove it for free
I had an ID3 for 2 years, 19k miles. No piano black scratches, I don’t find a problem with it tbh just wipe it.
I find the VW brakes sub par and they drive ‘heavy’.
Software wise not many issues after v2.1. Overplayed issue.
They all have auto hold so don’t understand that!
Main plus is how quiet and sophisticated the drive is.
I have heard that they updated the software now? Is that the case?
Not on existing vehicles in North America
@@brandenflasch thanks for such a fast answer👌 getting mine next month, i see its only live in europe. Cant wait. Nice video my man!
I hear you and some of the things I'll agree with you on and some not. When you took delivery of your car and I ordered mine the pool of Ev's to choose from was minimal. The ID4 was the best equipped at the best price, nowadays we do have choices, we can choose faster charging speed, larger screens, better apps, more technology and makers that offer more OTA updates. I really love my ID4 and we currently have another on order to replace our ICE, with that being said, if Kia would have taken orders we would have ordered the EV6 instead for the reasons I stated earlier. We'll just have to wait for when it arrives to make this decision, if it remains the ID4 we'll still be happy. I want to thank you for helping in our decision to order our 2021 ProS last year, your EV knowledge was quite helpful. I look forward to seeing your new EV.
I passed on Kia for exactly that reason....
Will you please kindly spell out what ICE is? I have been watching for iBuzz. But for now I will keep my TDI for a while. I have had several VW buses in the past. Thank you for sharing the pluses and minuses. Thank you all!
ICE=internal combustion engine, aka any vehicle powered by gasoline, diesel, etc
I'm definitely waiting for the Chevrolet Equinox EV. Much cheaper and 300 miles of range.
2:38 & 2:53 a few rock chips & the original windshield after 16k would break a record here in AZ 😂
Oh I know… went through 2 windshields in my Model S in 7 months of living in AZ
Assume the resale market is still high enough to cover a lease buyout? Selling it outright or trading it in?
Very much high enough. My buy out is much less than market value. I haven’t done all the math, but I’ll come out essentially even.
@@brandenflasch Does the ID.4 have active cooling similar to the Tesla? Where if you're parked in a parking lot and it's too hot, the coolant will continue to circulate while the car is "off" so the battery is comfortable? I live in Phoenix, and I don't think I'd want a car that doesn't do that.
Yes
Beautiful SUV
I've had my RWD since fall of 21 and have gotten 3.4 miles per kWh. Mixed driving, some road trips. Yes, agree no updates yet, but I was notified about bringing it to dealer soon. I love the car however. Good price, very comfortable on trips and safety features work well.
Very inefficient IMO. My Tesla Model S (2022) has been averaging 279 WH/Mile over the past approximately 11K miles since August 2022. Other big deal breakers for me are 1/ Charging infrastructure and 2/ Bad software.
I heard a review that says about 40 percent of owners have terrible software problems.
Nice overview, bummer about the lack of software updates. I’d just assumed they’d been rolling out.
Just 3 Yeats ago...a lease would be less than 1 percent interest and half the price so half the payment....insane the days we are in now
The exterior is absolutely beautiful!
Definitely not beautiful
It does have Auto hold. It does tell charging speed.
It didn’t at time of review
What EV do you recommend?
Really depends on your needs
How much are you going to ask for your car? Or are you going to trade it in?
Already sold it
Updates were sent:)
What range did you get?
What do you mean?
You selling vw to buy a shishi unknown crupp ? need a head test
What?
Good review. We seem to be at the point where Tesla, and pretty much Tesla alone, has charging and software totally nailed. That's their secret sauce, for now at least, but, the German's (and others) design great cars (hello, e-tron GT). Give me an EV with Tesla-quality software & charging, and Audi quality everything else, and I'd buy it. But everything in this review smacks of 'old-school OEM trying to make an EV'. OEM's have always had awful UI's - just let Apple or Google make it for you.
FWIW, our Rivian is our daily driver right now, not sure if it's the novelty factor, but it's as close as you'll get to a 'normal' truck (albeit EV) with Tesla DNA, no doubt because they trade staff all the time. And it's better put-together than any of the Tesla's we've owned (aside from the tonneau cover, which was DOA, and will be until they redesign it).
I agree, especially now having a Polestar 2. Polestar let Google handle the UI, route planning, etc and it works really well. Route planning is as good, if not better than Tesla - extremely accurate predictions, great Google routing, etc. Yet it also has Volvo build quality.
Looking forward to getting my Rivian hopefully later this year (latest I've heard is Oct-Nov delivery window), but some of the things I've been seeing/hearing with charging / cooling performance makes me tempted to switch my order to Max Pack in hopes of 800V battery and better thermal performance (and more range certainly doesn't hurt). Really doesn't take much to be built better than a Tesla.
@@brandenflasch Yeah. If we're taking a road trip (which is your entire life!) then we're taking a Tesla, I don't want to go back to 2013, messing around with CCS charging, and limited intelligent route planning. That really is the jewel in Tesla's crown, if they start opening up Supercharging to anyone, that's like Apple allow iMessage with Windows and Android..there's a reason Apple doesn't do that!
@@AbstractOcean I've been taking a lot less road trips lately, but CCS infrastructure really isn't as much of an issue as many make it out to be. Tesla Superchargers aren't perfect either and often have degraded performance or just slow charging when sharing power on V2.
Open Superchargers are coming to North America soon - I've seen how they'll be doing it and it's slick.
How do you sell a lease car???
Residual + remaining payments = payoff. If your payoff if less than what you sell it for, you even get a check for the difference (like I did).
Great vehicle if this was 30k like it should be. Being 47k it's simply not good enough
I CANNOT believe they still haven't released a single software update in North America. Meanwhile, Europe has had several (ver3.x I think) and this is just bizarre and frustrating that they can't get it together. What is the hold up??? More regulations in the US to worry about? All 50 states have to sign off on a software update???
No, problems with the software division, the CEO was fired over it.
Thanks for this review. These types of issues made it much easier for me to decide to pass on the ID.4 and buy a Jeep Wrangler 4xe to replace my totaled Honda Clarity. The UConnect system is superior, I have reliable scheduled charging, and road trips take no planning with a 17.3 gal fuel tank. On nice days, reach up and pop open the Sunrider top. Almost endless modification possibilities.
You are dead to me Branden!!
Just kidding, I'm not some crazy Tesla bro. I'm excited to hear about the next EV you get. I'm still going to be driving my ID.4 at least until the free charging runs out.
Thanks for the insights. I would not touch a VW ID.4 with a barge pole. It's a well known software nightmare.
Is a barge pole a thing? lol
@@brandenflasch it is in Venice!
You have to tell us your next EV.
You’ll all know soon :)
The software update situation and the terrible app made it easier for me to decide a while back to cancel my ID4 reservation and reserve a Fisker Ocean. I was also not looking forward to having to interact with a dealer when my ID4 finally arrived.
When I first made my ID4 reservation I didn’t know that I needed to shop around for a dealer that would sell it to me at sticker before it got there. When I called them back they refused to commit to the sale price so I had to go through the hassle of cancelling my first reservation and making a new one for a dealer that would actually sell it to me without marking it up after it arrived with no warning.
@@dearbulls Thanks. Good luck in all your endeavors too. It’s always nice to interact with such delightful people on the internet.
Same here. Pick up my Ocean One hopefully early1st Q 2023. Longtime VW owner and I tried, really tried to like the ID4 but the lack of AWD, the Hearst like acceleration and the crappy range could not be overcome.
You've owned a lot of Ev's in a short space of time?
Yes?
so, kyle ordered his Rivian before you, right?
Nope
@@brandenflasch I didn't think so.
I’m guessing the ‘cinco’ is on the horizon.
Know of any at MSRP?
@@brandenflasch I haven’t had any luck. I thought I found a dealer in Oklahoma City area that did, so I was on the road for an hour and the sales manager calls me and said the salesman forgot to tell me there was 10k added to it.
Yikes. No thanks.
I have had nothing but trouble with my ID4 and am looking for a fool to sell it to.
I was waiting to hear how much it cost to charge up and maintenance costs lol
Free charging and free maintenance
I’m very distracted by how handsome this guy is.
I would imagine that all those annoyances should be easy to fix with software updates. Sounds like VW just doesn't care and that is really bad!! I certainly would not be recommending this car to a friend who wants to step into the EV world.
Let me buy it
I got a MY 22 and I am so glad I didn’t get the 21. The software (3.1) now has auto hold, and shows you charge rate (kw). The software updates are minor, but it is annoying and I feel bad for anyone with a 21.
100%
I know that it was a long time ago, but after my ownership experience of a 1977 Rabbit 🐇 and comparing it with the quality of my 1982 Honda Accord 2nd generation, I’ll never go back to VW!
Oof I aint going for Honda. Never again terrible quality..
Vw has always been a hard sell in the us and is still a hard sell if the 153 days of inventory of the id4 and the very poor sales numbers for the first half of the year in the us is anything to go by. Honda used to be a great brand but also loosing market share fast due to poor engineering decisions. 50% down yoy for honda over the first half of the year is unsustainable.
@@dadman9492 Thank you DadMan for your insights.
@@mitchellbarnow1709 The 82 Honda Accord was a great car. In New Zealand, they also had the Honda Prelude, a 2 door version around the early 80’s, also a great car. Those were the days.
@@dadman9492 I had the 5 speed manual and loved it until I moved to San Francisco. Driving up and down steep hills with traffic is no fun.
Great review, crazy how far it’s behind the Koreans but not that surprising as software woes are the reason the q4 is delayed indefinitely
VW is making a lot of mistake on the ID series, foremost is the haptic switches and stupid windows switches. The software hardware really sucks and caused Diess to be fired. The upcoming ID Buzz should have rear seat armrest to reduce fatigue but Diess gave the go signal for production, big mistake!
How much are you selling it for?
I sold it to VW South Charlotte… they have it listed for $52450.
@@brandenflasch how's polestar experience compared to id4
Quite a bit different, I’ll have a video soon
@@brandenflasch thank you । Also if you can please do a review on fisker ocean
If I can get my hands on a Fisker Ocean I certainly will, but it’s not a vehicle I’ve ordered myself
This vehicle could be great if it was a little faster, little cheaper, and removed the quirks.
It's so close.
I live in SWEDEN .I bought ID.4 GTX 3th December 2021 and After 2 month 2th Feb 2022 it was broken and have system problem .so i returned almost 6 month and its not working still . so this month they wanna pay back my money . So i heat EV car and i wanna buying Plugin car because when you buying EV car you have to think about charging station ,,, you have Stress always . please do not buying electric car ....
Sweden has some of the best EV infrastructure and that’s too stressful for you? Sounds like you got a lemon (happens) and now you’re just angry at all EVs… take a step back and reconsider a different vehicle.
Blur your plates. Thank you for your review.
Absolutely no reason to blur license plates
Why? Anyone anywhere can see them and photograph them
These electric cars and trucks are a environmental disaster in the making ! They endanger people and property at a very high level .
Not at all true.
tesla is 7 years ahead?
I suspect he's headed towards a Hyundai. Personally as sexy as they present themselves, I have NO trust in that company. My ID.4 lease is up in 2025, the year there are to be a ton of new EV's released by nearly everyone. Can't wait to see the options then. For now however the ID.4 has been excellent.
I hope you still able to sell your car.
It’s been gone for a few weeks
Not being an owner but a reader of many reviews, it appears that VW has basically abandoned the US market. One owner had a motor fail and it had been over six months and still no new motor. VW told him that any replacement motor had to be built specifically for his car and no other motor would work in it. This is outrageous! Each motor has to be built for one and only one car? This is a system that cannot succeed in the future. It's like going back to the early days of the automobile where everything was hand-built and nothing would fit another car. Dealer/builder support on EVs is a must since there aren't that many yet and if they don't support their own products who will?
Oh my god ! What a shame ! ONE owner in the US !! And you are not even a VW user yourself! So you just repost comments. Well, let me tell you that not being a Tesla owner, I have a friend whose neighbor’s friend had a problem with a Tesla. It caught fire . And you know what : he says Elon has decided to give up Tesla to concentrate on Twitter. Surely there is no smoke without fire eh?
What?
@@domanibell8361 If you had any reading skills you would have gotten the message that VW makes each motor for one specific vehicle and that system is not going to work with any huge recall or motor failures. You don't know that it is only one failure but that was the one I read about. It may be hundreds or thousands but it is a system that will fail. I wouldn't own an EV personally. However, many do but you can't fix stupid.
This car looks a letter better then the melted jellybean look of Tesla but this is new to VW where Tesla was working on this for a lot more years than VW for a first try this is not a bad vehicle and VW did admit they need to improve SW.
All these annoying issues will be fixed with software update.
When? The ID.4 has been out ~18 months now and the 2021s still haven’t had a single update.
I had a reservation for a 1st edition last year and gave it up, got the Model Y standard range instead for about the same price (limited availability just like the 1st edition ID.4). Model Y is superior in so many ways except maybe ride comfort. Otherwise hands down Model Y is better.
Can you give your VW account to the new owner so they can get the 2 years left of free fast charging at Electrify America? I think that would be possible.
2023 models don’t get full free charging now
@@tommytfaa he is selling a 2021 model
@@chopsueykungfu I know just making a general comment