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The Pista wasn’t fitted with the lighter carbon wheels which Ferrari say are worth at least a tenth on track. Both cars are awesome competition is fun but with so much restrictions to performance cars these days we should celebrate manufacturers are still making cars like this. Long live the combustion engine!!
Both of these vehicles are unreal. It's incredible what McLaren has been able to accomplish in barely a decade since re-entering the production/ consumer market with the 12C.
@@annemio7525 He felt fade, but it is not the same as if anyone who is not a world class racing driver would. Also it would't have done a great lap if the brakes were already fading after just 3.
@@annemio7525 I have never heard complaints about Ferrari brakes fading. At least not in a way that it requires stopping to cool down. I know how fading brakes feel, what I meant is that brake fade is perhaps small or faint. What supports this idea? The fast time he managed and that the racing driver opened the statement about the brakes were unbelievable and that there was a a hint of fade "towards the end".
@@annemio7525 When McLaren's brake start fading you're not only lose the brake and also you lose the rear diff. to help the car turn and it also happens in few laps time when you really pushing hard so I am not sure which is worse.
Ahnaf Bin Zakir it’s a shame these two are being compared against each other when in reality they’re in a different class, like you say when the LT comes out then you could do a fair comparison
@@SuperThe86 Yeah of course. The 918 is some kind of a transition for Porsche and the hybrid range. Not the most focused car for laptimes despite all the technology inside.
Exactly...it should be either 488 gtb vs 720s or the pista vs the 765LT. I'm a huge pista fan but sorry Ferrari can't win in a fair comparison to McLaren
It’s real rival would’ve been the 675LT. You seem to forget that McLaren released the MP4-12C to compete with the 458 Italia. Since then, both have released two successors to those models. McLaren released the 650S in 2014 and Ferrari released the 488 GTB in 2015. Those two compete. Now, the 720S competes against the F8 Tributo. And both have lapped Assen, and the F8 Tributo set a quicker lap time. The 765LT would compete against the track version of the F8 Tributo.
@@projectr2451 This makes partial sense. Unfortunately you can only compare what's out. Then its the closest chronological order that matters not which nominal generation for a particular manufacturer. Wasn't Ferrari's fault that the 12C was rather quickly replaced, nor McLaren's that they had a faster product cycle at the time. Given Ferrari and McLaren have kind of alternated chronologically, the 765lt is just as legit comparison with a pista as the 675lt. And then when the F8 track focused version comes out, assuming it's within the next couple of years, that will be just as legit a rival to the 765lt.
I picked up my pista in march 2019.....i owned and drove so many cars let me tell you pista the best car in world....but saying that for fun and excitement tge tdf is king
@@villaverdeeggs i can understand what you mean by that. I got a tesla about 2 years ago and even though its quick as ill ever need a car to be on the road, you feel like its missing something because you cant hear the noise of the engine. Im guessing its similar to what youre talking about about from a Pista vs a F12. The v12 sound is just something else
@@supaahflyy I have both a McLaren spider and Lamborghini performante spider. the Lamborghini is more fun to drive because of the noise and sound even though it is slower in a straight line. I actually loved my Lamborghini V12 Super Volace. I have never driven a Ferrari I kind of have a bias against them I think they overpriced that car is kind of like Richard Mille. Audemars piguet reminds me of Lamborghini. And Ferrari remind me of Richard Mille they put a premium on the price when they shouldn't
Without telling us what tires were on both cars the review makes ZERO sense. The 720s can come with a Corsa or a Trofeo R, and the Pista with a Cup2 and Cup2R which makes a huge a different. Also the difference is 850ms between the two cars, which is not half a second.
Nürburgring lap times, even the old Aventador SV beats it, the SVJ DESTROYS it, it’s really nothing special, Ferrari hasn’t upped its games since the Laferrari came out
Josue Lopez @ dude you know the pista already beat the performance around the ring? And destroyed the svj around Hockenheim GP? The magazine Sport Auto has al the laptimes
DragTimes Pista beats the 720s in 9 times in different tracks the 720s beat the pista only 1 time So 720s doesn’t have a chance in track There is no comparison in the track between pista and 720s
@@the-Boss-rs you can only really compare same day, same driver testing.... and in this case they are very close, even with better tires on the Pista......
DragTimes Pista made for the track not for straight line So i dont think so 720s have a chance even if it has the same tires pista still 1 second quckier
@@DragTimes Hi, a big fan here. I personally think you are the best car youtuber around. And a Big Thank you for all the great videos you have already posted online.About this track test, please don't forget that Ollie said clearly that he drove the 720S on this track several times before in the past. He said he knows the 720S very well. Instead he only drove the Pista for 3 laps on this circuit. He dosn't said how much experience he had with the pista in the past.His familarization with the 720S clearly it gives it to it a big advantage, how much it is not easy to say, but I would say at least another half second on this small circuit. It is the same when you drag race your 720S, you are ready to extract the best times from the car immediately. When you drive another car for the first few times you are trying to learn. understand the car. And your are not getting the best times. Also we need to consider that a 0.85 sec difference in a small twisty circuit like this one, is actually a huge difference, expecially when the driver is a pro. Also we need to remember always that the 720S is at least 70/90 hp more powerful than the Pista, and also over 100kg lighter, due to his carbon fiber frame. The 720S straight line performance is incredible, but compared to the Pista, Performante, considering the differences in weight and power, is not so amazing. Imagine the Pista or the Performante with a carbon fiber tub. How much faster they could be? the reason Ferrari and Lambo still keep using aluminium frames, is too keep cost down, due to the low production volumes of this models. Mclaren instead produce 2/3 times more 720S than a Pista or Performante. And it still use evolutions of the carbon fiber tubes since the realise of the MP4-12c. And I am only considering the mechanical aspect of the cars. Also people forgot that the tires used by the manufactures are choose considering a lot of aspects, not just performance, like wheels inertia, wheels camber, tire noise, tire wheight, ride. Using a faster tire (on paper) not always translate in better performance. Apologies in advance for any speeling mistake. Bye from London. Ciao
F1 has spoiled these things for me because you learn just how much a track can favor one design type over another. With that said though, this is also one of the few videos that makes all that irrelevant because Oliver's analysis is spot on and very detailed. He's also blisteringly fast so it's fun to watch him through these things around. You know for a fact that the assessment of both cars is dead accurate. Thanks for the vid.
Love the Pista, but i think the winner is the 720s. 0.8s aprox for a road version vs the track focused Ferrari is insane! Great driving and review from the driver.
The track focus 720s is already out and its called the Senna. Honestly what is McLaren going to do. They are going to have the 720s LT and the Senna which are going to be so close together. If i was a senna owner I would be pissed.
John Mitchell the F8 is just a Pista with more comfort it won’t be as fast. The SF90 is the near 1000hp one but that’s not a rival for this it’s the next model up.
Damn that was a good race! I’m taking the McLaren 720S. I like its design, creativity and innovation. Like with the head lights how they are air intakes as well, the cool air vents on the side of the doors that are in between the doors, the cool doors when their up, the McLaren is more Me. The interior also! I love how the driver screen folds up and down like that depending on what mode your in. I think I’ll take the McLaren 720S.
Wow Pista sounds a lot more angry and frenetic than the 720S .....that being said how can anyone not say the 720 is the real winner here?! It came within a half second of the Ferrari without the advantage of its much less aggressive tires, that’s insane. Mclaren 720 really is the best 👍🏻
Excuses excuses.... the 720s was treated on track tyres by Motorsport Magazine and came in 2 seconds slower than the Pista at Magny Cours. Cut the crap!
Great video guys really appreciate you guys taking the time to make such a fantastic video but 🙈 you forgot the most important thing here and that is tires 🤦🏽♂️ both cars should be on the same tire to make this a fair race 👍🏽 and I can see the Ferraris on cups yet the McLaren is on normal road tires 👎🏽
The highest technological level is expressed in formula 1, same specifications, same tires, same weight. The numbers tell us that the only car manufacturer capable of staying ahead of a Ferrari is Mercedes. In formula 1 Mclaren is not able to build an engine while ferrari has the most powerful. Honestly, Ferrari is on another level.
It's not because you can built the best V8 twin turbo that you are able to build the best aspirated V6 for example. What you say is not really true. A simple change of rules in F1 can totally change the whole hierarchy between constructors, doesn't mean that the regular cars made from those constructors have changed herarchy. Not even mentioning that the hierarchy can change depending on the track (Ferrari can be faster in Monza, slower in Monaco....). You want to extremely simplify something much more complex. The gt2 rs destroys both those cars on track while having less horse power, doesn't mean Porsche would be better than Ferrari in F1.
If this was drag times, the 720s would have won by 3 seconds. He just wouldn’t have told you that the Ferrari had a normal driver while the Mclaren had a veteran.
U can’t compare 2 cars only on the straight. If a car win on the straight it doesn’t mean that this car is good in the circuits. You have to look at other things, and not only drag race time
The less number of years that took McLaren to get to this level and give car manufacturers like ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche hard times makes it a little bit superior and majestic for me. But I love all Japanese and European supercars.
Alex Alsted-Mahl no.. because the regular 488 was compared to the 650s. So the pista is really the 675lt competitor. The 720s makes the same power and weighs less so is a fair comparison. To compare it to a 750lt or whatever it is will be stupid
That doesn’t matter because the 488 GTB competed with the 650S...these are the successors of the MP4-12C and 458 Italia that competed against each other... The logical competitor for the 488 Pista would actually be the 675LT. But McLaren released it too early. The 720S competes with the F8 Tributo. Their track versions will compete too.
@@projectr2451 The fact is that MCLaren has released a new model when Ferrari was making a hardcore version of the 488. Same happened when Ferrari came with the 488, MCLaren was focused on the 675 LT. These cars are being released on different intervals of time. Same happened with Lamborghini with Gallardo Superlegerra and Ferrari 430, then Gallardo LP560-4 with 430 Scuderia. So we'll probably see a McLaren 750LT vs Ferrari Tributo comparison, which is stupid I admit, same as Pista against 720S (base model vs hardcore one).
Lionel Dherine That’s my point. McLaren are releasing cars too quick. Porsche, Lamborghini and Ferrari seem to be in line with each other. The 2008 Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 competes with the 2009 Ferrari 458 Italia and Porsche 911 Turbo (997), the 2014 Lamborghini Huracán LP610-4 competes with the 2015 Ferrari 488 GTB and Porsche 911 Turbo S (991), and the 2019 Lamborghini Huracán LP640-4 Evo competes with the 2019 Ferrari F8 Tributo and will compete with the 911 Turbo (992). If we look at their track versions, we can see that Lamborghini, Ferrari and Porsche have managed to release their track versions before one releases their next. Example, the 2012 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997.2) and 2013 Ferrari 458 Speciale came before Lamborghini released the 2014 Lamborghini Huracán LP610-4. Just like how the 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2) and 2018 Ferrari 488 Pista released before Lamborghini released their 2019 Huracán LP640-4 Evo. Same way their track versions are released after all road versions are released. The 911 Turbo S (991.1 & 991.2) and 488 GTB released before the Huracán LP640-4 Performante released. The 911 Turbo S (997) and 458 Italia released before the Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera released. You see my point?
@@projectr2451 Yeah sure. But the fact is that people use power as comparison, and that's all. They just miss the fact that both cars can have the same amount of horsepower, but being designed for different purposes. For example the 720S isn't meant to be track focused, compared to the 488 Pista. Same power but different paths. This is the mistake journalists usually make during car comparisons. But Lamborghini started with the Performante on the Ring, so Porsche had to find something quickly and they simply jumped into the GT2 RS instead of the regular GT2. So I assume this is purely competitive and not planned from Porsche. The Evo on the other hand is a street version, they'll probably build a more focused one in a few years and McLaren will probably have replaced the 570S, which will go against that Lambo because they have a comparable amount of power. You see my point ?
Lionel Dherine I see your point definitely, and it’s true. Because a lot of people did compare the 458 Italia to the Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera rather than the Gallardo LP560-4, because both had 570hp and 398lb-ft of torque, and also because the 458 Italia was just a much better all round performance car than the Gallardo LP560-4.
The fact that you need a track-focused, special-edition Ferrari to barely beat the McLaren proves that McLaren is way ahead. The Pista also costs $70k more. This win goes to McLaren.
dragonlock12345 well technically the 488 Pista is a platform rival for the 675 LT as the base 488 was a 650s rival. The 720 is a new generation platform so this comparison is more than fair.
TD Immanuel Exactly. But since he wanted to make the comment, he should go check the laps of the 720S and F8 Tributo at Assen. The Ferrari is so far winning.
svtrader Better power to weight ratio. Just to correct and make the point that it’s not just power. But you are right. And the Pista has more downforce too. But just had to make that point because the Aventador LP770-4 Superveloce Jota has more power than the 911 GT2 RS (991.2) and 488 Pista, and will still get beat by both.
We already know that Pista is fast. My question is, what tires were used on the vehicles? If you don't have the Trofeo R in the 720s, this is a great lap time. Because Pista has a Cup 2 R.
It's hilarious that people are so mad that ferrari 488 pista is fast and find excuses for the 720s which was the best McLaren in their mind and they can't accept it. tHe 720 is not even track focused bla bla come on its a damn supercar with crazy technology and stop pretending comparison wasnt fair
Demshiro San the only reason it wasn’t fair is because of the tires. 720s can be specced with track focused Trofeo Rs. This car was running on street tire corsas. The Trofeo Rs are not even as grippy as the Cup2 Rs. But even if you just went with the optional Trofeo Rs the 720s would be 1-2 seconds faster.
I just want to know 2 things. 1, was the ferrari a press car? 2, were they on comparable tires? Doesn't the Fcar come on R-comps vs the 720's summer tires?
hassi1975 @ they both have Corsas , watch the other video from motorsport magazine, where the pista had track tyres, wrecked the McLaren with 4 sec😂 only 2s slower then the senna
Cup2 tyres are just slightly better and they both are track tyres. Mclaren has a partnership with Pirellivm and it has perfected the cars to fit Pirelli tires, not Michelin. So a Mclaren is not meant to have Michelin tires
Supervid chaps. However unless the cars are on the same tyres ( were they? ) the results are at best ambiguous. In the real world the time difference is a blink of the eye.
I'm really surprised the 720S is that close. I didn't think it was really supposed to put down that fast of lap times. Everything I've heard says it's so much more comfortable and a much better daily driver.
Nice video but if you used the best track available tires optioned from the factory on both cars i believe the 720s would be faster! But considering its not the 750lt I'm still impressed what a 9 year old car company has accomplished vs. a 60 year old company!!
@@matzepizzaheld8541 really? where did get this info because i own a 720s spider and to double check I'm on the McLaren 720s configurator now and you can only option the Perelli P zero and P zero corsa for the 720s. So it sounds like you're LYING??
The 720S should be compared with the regular 488... The Pista is the hardcore version of the Ferrari, wait for the 750 LT and then we will see a fair comparison
Truly speaking, the 750LT of whatever that's about to come from the Mclaren Stable is the true competitor to the 488 Pista. But how Ferrari have got rid of that turbo lag is the 8th wonder of the ICE world.
@@matzepizzaheld8541 becuz it's cost more and it is the track version of normal 488 Proper comparison will be 720s vs 488gtb............. Which 720s wins drag or track
Would like to know what kind of tires on both cars. Also the Ferrari is actually named Pista so...but well done by Oliver and enjoyed his explanation of lap
We don't know the tires of the Mc, it could have trofeo R just like the Senna and the Ferrari could have simple cup2 tyres... So stop making assumptions
Except you can see that the 720s is on corsas. Cup2Rs are way stickier than even the Trofeo Rs. Put both cars on the same tires and the 720s would win. Love both cars but the truth is the truth.
It isn’t the Senna but I think the Senna is why they haven’t made one yet. There still making the final Senna’s and 600LT but the people who are buying a LT version of the 720s will probably already have a deposit paid. I would expect it to release next year
Given that the 720S still putting out comparable numbers with those new track focused cars it makes Mclaren a bit afraid that the LT version will beat or perform at par with their own Senna. Maybe thats the reason they are still holding back so that their Senna customers can show off for a year or two more.
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Let's have a rematch when the Pista's direct rival, the 765LT is available for testing, or a SCD member buys one...
That's why track comparison tests should be conducted by the same driver
Hell yeah!
And the same tires
@@scoobydoo5164
True that. And I've also added that part under other track comparison videos...just did not do it here.
@@scd with same tires
@@nico2006t
Yup. It think the difference here came down to tires. The ones on the Pista provide better grip.
The Pista wasn’t fitted with the lighter carbon wheels which Ferrari say are worth at least a tenth on track. Both cars are awesome competition is fun but with so much restrictions to performance cars these days we should celebrate manufacturers are still making cars like this. Long live the combustion engine!!
I think it should be compared with 600lt not 720s
They should make more hybrids
@@YS9-9 Autocar did a video on the same circuit with the pista and the 600lt and the pista was still faster
@@andrewlewis2671 so they are biased coz there is no way pista is faster than 600lt on a track
@@YS9-9 well it was so how'd you figure that one
God bless for a track test and not a fking 1/4 mile
@obs1dian exactly😂. I love ferrari but it happens everytime against a 720s
We all know the 720s is the king of the 1/4 mile. But being beaten by 8/10ths of a second round a track puts some perspective on its performance
@@vernonyo271 and by over 8 seconds on nurburgring
@@vernonyo271 actually a 911 turbo s is faster
@@yibambe4ever74 actually a 765lt is faster
Both of these vehicles are unreal.
It's incredible what McLaren has been able to accomplish in barely a decade since re-entering the production/ consumer market with the 12C.
The Ferrari 488 Pista is perfect!!
@@annemio7525 He felt fade, but it is not the same as if anyone who is not a world class racing driver would. Also it would't have done a great lap if the brakes were already fading after just 3.
@@annemio7525 I have never heard complaints about Ferrari brakes fading. At least not in a way that it requires stopping to cool down. I know how fading brakes feel, what I meant is that brake fade is perhaps small or faint. What supports this idea? The fast time he managed and that the racing driver opened the statement about the brakes were unbelievable and that there was a a hint of fade "towards the end".
@@annemio7525 ferrari way better
Yep the 720s is just overpriced.
@@annemio7525 When McLaren's brake start fading you're not only lose the brake and also you lose the rear diff. to help the car turn and it also happens in few laps time when you really pushing hard so I am not sure which is worse.
The Ferrari sounds so good!!
@Smogger911 458 definitely sounds miles better
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Before watching this I had to give this a thumbs up and say: YES!!! FINALLY A TRACK BATTLE!! Thank you.
Prefer this to the normal drag racing.
Pista is so hot...❤️❤️
720 is hotter
Aun Mohammad actually not...compared to the Pista the 720s looks like a basic super sports car. And I would still pick the 720 tbh
720s was at a disadvantage of carrying an air freshner
Wait till the LT version of the 720 s comes out. That thing is going to be out of this world
For sure, even the Senna wil collapse...
Ahnaf Bin Zakir it’s a shame these two are being compared against each other when in reality they’re in a different class, like you say when the LT comes out then you could do a fair comparison
@@lioneldherine6230 Porsche 911 GT2 RS is faster on track than 918 Spyder
@@SuperThe86 Yeah of course. The 918 is some kind of a transition for Porsche and the hybrid range. Not the most focused car for laptimes despite all the technology inside.
2021 750 Longtail i cant wait
Pista all the day
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Just keep in mind that's the track focus version of the 488. Love them both and can't wait until the track focused version of the 720s is released!!
Oh yeah definitely - the 720S has track firmly in its DNA thought too
@@scd Agreed
By that time the F8 tributo hardcore version will be out !!!!
Boi Senna is already 720s track focus stop thinking that McLaren will release 720lt or 750Lt anymore :'))
@@gamingcambo1260 of course they're going to make one, just closer the the end of the model's lifespan.
Love the look of these Bronze rims on the 488 - Great Video, thanks ;D
488 pista is a beast!
I want to see comparison with its real rival now, the 765LT.
CrimsonRider i think its gonna be the quickest super car on a track and in a straight line
Exactly...it should be either 488 gtb vs 720s or the pista vs the 765LT. I'm a huge pista fan but sorry Ferrari can't win in a fair comparison to McLaren
It’s real rival would’ve been the 675LT. You seem to forget that McLaren released the MP4-12C to compete with the 458 Italia. Since then, both have released two successors to those models.
McLaren released the 650S in 2014 and Ferrari released the 488 GTB in 2015. Those two compete. Now, the 720S competes against the F8 Tributo. And both have lapped Assen, and the F8 Tributo set a quicker lap time.
The 765LT would compete against the track version of the F8 Tributo.
Charles Asius
It’s even over 780hp.
@@projectr2451 This makes partial sense. Unfortunately you can only compare what's out. Then its the closest chronological order that matters not which nominal generation for a particular manufacturer. Wasn't Ferrari's fault that the 12C was rather quickly replaced, nor McLaren's that they had a faster product cycle at the time. Given Ferrari and McLaren have kind of alternated chronologically, the 765lt is just as legit comparison with a pista as the 675lt. And then when the F8 track focused version comes out, assuming it's within the next couple of years, that will be just as legit a rival to the 765lt.
Pista, 😍
720S fast 1/4 mile.
488 Pista fast lap time.
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I picked up my pista in march 2019.....i owned and drove so many cars let me tell you pista the best car in world....but saying that for fun and excitement tge tdf is king
coz of the v12?
@@supaahflyy correct..the tdf engine is alive ....sometimes feeling is better then the stopwatch
@@villaverdeeggs i can understand what you mean by that. I got a tesla about 2 years ago and even though its quick as ill ever need a car to be on the road, you feel like its missing something because you cant hear the noise of the engine. Im guessing its similar to what youre talking about about from a Pista vs a F12. The v12 sound is just something else
Should have gotten a Fiat Panda.
@@supaahflyy I have both a McLaren spider and Lamborghini performante spider. the Lamborghini is more fun to drive because of the noise and sound even though it is slower in a straight line. I actually loved my Lamborghini V12 Super Volace. I have never driven a Ferrari I kind of have a bias against them I think they overpriced that car is kind of like Richard Mille. Audemars piguet reminds me of Lamborghini. And Ferrari remind me of Richard Mille they put a premium on the price when they shouldn't
Gearbox in Pista is INSANE !!!
Without telling us what tires were on both cars the review makes ZERO sense. The 720s can come with a Corsa or a Trofeo R, and the Pista with a Cup2 and Cup2R which makes a huge a different.
Also the difference is 850ms between the two cars, which is not half a second.
I completely agree. I was not able to tell if the 720S was on the Trofeo R with the few shots on the tires. Same for the pista...
despite that, both are great cars, cant go wrong with any. would love to own a pista later on. currently own 720s spider. and i freaking love it.
And to think that Ferrari charge what they do for this car and they are selling for what they are as well 🤣
your right.. you they always going to put that ferrari on top.
And fuel amount should be the same on both
Wow, both cars are phenomenal, brilliant driving machines.
But because of my self preference I'd say Pista!🔥
0.8 sec per lap difference between Ferrari and Mclaren. Just like in Formula 1.
Damn right!
renault engine
Nürburgring lap times, even the old Aventador SV beats it, the SVJ DESTROYS it, it’s really nothing special, Ferrari hasn’t upped its games since the Laferrari came out
Josue Lopez Bring the damn lambo in F1 and see how it goes.
Josue Lopez @ dude you know the pista already beat the performance around the ring? And destroyed the svj around Hockenheim GP? The magazine Sport Auto has al the laptimes
Great to see these two go head to head!! Thanks for the video!!
Our pleasure Jessica! Thanks for watching
Very professional comparison by a pro with great comments and info about the cars > the best type of review I know!
Ferrari 👑
Such a good video!! I am in absolute awe of Ollie... Pista for me but fair play to Adey for lending the '20S!
Thanks Rob! Oli was unreal
Fair play to both owners letting oli lose in their pride and joy!!! Always driven safely even at the limit though!!
so Michelin Cup sport 2 tires on the Pista and Pirelli Pzero on the 720s? If so, the 720S did great with the much slower tire... great video!!
DragTimes
Pista beats the 720s in 9 times in different tracks the 720s beat the pista only 1 time
So 720s doesn’t have a chance in track There is no comparison in the track between pista and 720s
@@the-Boss-rs you can only really compare same day, same driver testing.... and in this case they are very close, even with better tires on the Pista......
DragTimes
Pista made for the track not for straight line
So i dont think so 720s have a chance even if it has the same tires pista still 1 second quckier
@OneAboveAll it's not, I've been on both tires....
@@DragTimes Hi, a big fan here. I personally think you are the best car youtuber around. And a Big Thank you for all the great videos you have already posted online.About this track test, please don't forget that Ollie said clearly that he drove the 720S on this track several times before in the past. He said he knows the 720S very well. Instead he only drove the Pista for 3 laps on this circuit. He dosn't said how much experience he had with the pista in the past.His familarization with the 720S clearly it gives it to it a big advantage, how much it is not easy to say, but I would say at least another half second on this small circuit. It is the same when you drag race your 720S, you are ready to extract the best times from the car immediately. When you drive another car for the first few times you are trying to learn. understand the car. And your are not getting the best times. Also we need to consider that a 0.85 sec difference in a small twisty circuit like this one, is actually a huge difference, expecially when the driver is a pro. Also we need to remember always that the 720S is at least 70/90 hp more powerful than the Pista, and also over 100kg lighter, due to his carbon fiber frame. The 720S straight line performance is incredible, but compared to the Pista, Performante, considering the differences in weight and power, is not so amazing. Imagine the Pista or the Performante with a carbon fiber tub. How much faster they could be? the reason Ferrari and Lambo still keep using aluminium frames, is too keep cost down, due to the low production volumes of this models. Mclaren instead produce 2/3 times more 720S than a Pista or Performante. And it still use evolutions of the carbon fiber tubes since the realise of the MP4-12c. And I am only considering the mechanical aspect of the cars. Also people forgot that the tires used by the manufactures are choose considering a lot of aspects, not just performance, like wheels inertia, wheels camber, tire noise, tire wheight, ride. Using a faster tire (on paper) not always translate in better performance. Apologies in advance for any speeling mistake. Bye from London. Ciao
really loved the music at the beginning....and of course great track comparison
F1 has spoiled these things for me because you learn just how much a track can favor one design type over another. With that said though, this is also one of the few videos that makes all that irrelevant because Oliver's analysis is spot on and very detailed. He's also blisteringly fast so it's fun to watch him through these things around. You know for a fact that the assessment of both cars is dead accurate.
Thanks for the vid.
Fantastic Video guys, and bravo to the owners for making this video possible ;)
Thanks Kev!
The Ferrari is 8/10th of a second faster. Very impressive to nearly beat a 720s by nearly 1 second. I didn't expect the gap to be so wide.
FERRARI 488 Pista. Love it!
👍👍👍
Love the Pista, but i think the winner is the 720s. 0.8s aprox for a road version vs the track focused Ferrari is insane! Great driving and review from the driver.
Just wait until Mclaren's track focused version of the 720S is released.. 750LT... Great driving from Ollie, thanks for the video guys.
stubones just wait until Ferrari track focused version of the F8 Tributo
Michael Joseph not even vaguely relevant because the Senna GTR exists but just wait for it to be slower than the 750LT 😂
@@stubones F8 Tributo is the 488 replacement so it IS relevant
The track focus 720s is already out and its called the Senna. Honestly what is McLaren going to do. They are going to have the 720s LT and the Senna which are going to be so close together. If i was a senna owner I would be pissed.
Exciting prospect!
Damn pista is a beauty and Crazy fast born for the track
A track focused Ferrari and only 0.5s in it on a road focused McLaren. The 750LT tack variant of that will absolutely murder around a track 😍
John Mitchell the F8 is just a Pista with more comfort it won’t be as fast. The SF90 is the near 1000hp one but that’s not a rival for this it’s the next model up.
John Mitchell well that’s definitely not a compatible car to these. That’s Senna and above level. The 720 is a 488 rival.
Motor Recon don’t forget top gear track it killed the 720s and other tracks it went a lot faster . 750LT vs F8 tributo track version , won’t matter.
Lol stop thinking that some 720 lt will come out senna is already de track focused version
Neverrr Obey62 no it isn’t the Senna is an ultimate series and the 720 or it’s faster version when it comes which it is coming is the super series.
Damn that was a good race! I’m taking the McLaren 720S. I like its design, creativity and innovation. Like with the head lights how they are air intakes as well, the cool air vents on the side of the doors that are in between the doors, the cool doors when their up, the McLaren is more Me. The interior also! I love how the driver screen folds up and down like that depending on what mode your in. I think I’ll take the McLaren 720S.
Wow Pista sounds a lot more angry and frenetic than the 720S .....that being said how can anyone not say the 720 is the real winner here?! It came within a half second of the Ferrari without the advantage of its much less aggressive tires, that’s insane. Mclaren 720 really is the best 👍🏻
Don't forget the 720s is 2 years older and not really meant for the track.
@@ShadowGodOfDarkness There is no McLaren that is not given track treatment not even the McLaren GT
@@kushcactushouse3821 not to the extent of the pista. But you have a point.
Excuses excuses.... the 720s was treated on track tyres by Motorsport Magazine and came in 2 seconds slower than the Pista at Magny Cours. Cut the crap!
Calm down lady, 720 lost. Not a big deal. Stop making excuses.
Honestly an awesome video, there's nothing more I want to know about these cars. Well done TheSUPERCARDRIVER.. :)
Great video guys really appreciate you guys taking the time to make such a fantastic video but 🙈 you forgot the most important thing here and that is tires 🤦🏽♂️ both cars should be on the same tire to make this a fair race 👍🏽 and I can see the Ferraris on cups yet the McLaren is on normal road tires 👎🏽
The highest technological level is expressed in formula 1, same specifications, same tires, same weight. The numbers tell us that the only car manufacturer capable of staying ahead of a Ferrari is Mercedes.
In formula 1 Mclaren is not able to build an engine while ferrari has the most powerful. Honestly, Ferrari is on another level.
It's not because you can built the best V8 twin turbo that you are able to build the best aspirated V6 for example.
What you say is not really true. A simple change of rules in F1 can totally change the whole hierarchy between constructors, doesn't mean that the regular cars made from those constructors have changed herarchy.
Not even mentioning that the hierarchy can change depending on the track (Ferrari can be faster in Monza, slower in Monaco....).
You want to extremely simplify something much more complex.
The gt2 rs destroys both those cars on track while having less horse power, doesn't mean Porsche would be better than Ferrari in F1.
Ferrari all the way💪💪👍
Tank god a good track test and not drag racing
...they are both insanely fast,and i love this track
If this was drag times, the 720s would have won by 3 seconds. He just wouldn’t have told you that the Ferrari had a normal driver while the Mclaren had a veteran.
U can’t compare 2 cars only on the straight. If a car win on the straight it doesn’t mean that this car is good in the circuits. You have to look at other things, and not only drag race time
Saivohx I agree 100%.
Z28Gaming 👍
True story... he’s a typical McLaren fanboy.
"just over half second", actually is 0.7s, seven tenths...it's a big difference
The less number of years that took McLaren to get to this level and give car manufacturers like ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche hard times makes it a little bit superior and majestic for me. But I love all Japanese and European supercars.
Really great driver ! nice track with the sea all around . Bravi !!!!
Shouldn’t the Pista (being the track version) be compared to the LT version of the 720 when it comes out?
Alex Alsted-Mahl no.. because the regular 488 was compared to the 650s. So the pista is really the 675lt competitor. The 720s makes the same power and weighs less so is a fair comparison. To compare it to a 750lt or whatever it is will be stupid
@@Marcusb338
750LT vs what then?
Lionel Rex f8 tributo track version?
Considering the f8 and 720s both have 710hp it seems fair.. the track versions will both have 750-760hp too
@@Marcusb338
F8 Pista?
Lionel Rex could be anything, possibly f8 gto
The Pista is the most beautiful modern day Ferrari.
Nope the p50 is
Can't wait to see what the 750LT does. Keep in mind lads the posts is Ferrari's track specced 488gtb. The 720s' track specced car is coming next yr
That doesn’t matter because the 488 GTB competed with the 650S...these are the successors of the MP4-12C and 458 Italia that competed against each other...
The logical competitor for the 488 Pista would actually be the 675LT. But McLaren released it too early. The 720S competes with the F8 Tributo. Their track versions will compete too.
@@projectr2451 The fact is that MCLaren has released a new model when Ferrari was making a hardcore version of the 488. Same happened when Ferrari came with the 488, MCLaren was focused on the 675 LT. These cars are being released on different intervals of time. Same happened with Lamborghini with Gallardo Superlegerra and Ferrari 430, then Gallardo LP560-4 with 430 Scuderia. So we'll probably see a McLaren 750LT vs Ferrari Tributo comparison, which is stupid I admit, same as Pista against 720S (base model vs hardcore one).
Lionel Dherine
That’s my point. McLaren are releasing cars too quick. Porsche, Lamborghini and Ferrari seem to be in line with each other.
The 2008 Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 competes with the 2009 Ferrari 458 Italia and Porsche 911 Turbo (997), the 2014 Lamborghini Huracán LP610-4 competes with the 2015 Ferrari 488 GTB and Porsche 911 Turbo S (991), and the 2019 Lamborghini Huracán LP640-4 Evo competes with the 2019 Ferrari F8 Tributo and will compete with the 911 Turbo (992).
If we look at their track versions, we can see that Lamborghini, Ferrari and Porsche have managed to release their track versions before one releases their next. Example, the 2012 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997.2) and 2013 Ferrari 458 Speciale came before Lamborghini released the 2014 Lamborghini Huracán LP610-4. Just like how the 2018 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2) and 2018 Ferrari 488 Pista released before Lamborghini released their 2019 Huracán LP640-4 Evo.
Same way their track versions are released after all road versions are released. The 911 Turbo S (991.1 & 991.2) and 488 GTB released before the Huracán LP640-4 Performante released. The 911 Turbo S (997) and 458 Italia released before the Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera released.
You see my point?
@@projectr2451 Yeah sure. But the fact is that people use power as comparison, and that's all. They just miss the fact that both cars can have the same amount of horsepower, but being designed for different purposes. For example the 720S isn't meant to be track focused, compared to the 488 Pista. Same power but different paths. This is the mistake journalists usually make during car comparisons. But Lamborghini started with the Performante on the Ring, so Porsche had to find something quickly and they simply jumped into the GT2 RS instead of the regular GT2. So I assume this is purely competitive and not planned from Porsche. The Evo on the other hand is a street version, they'll probably build a more focused one in a few years and McLaren will probably have replaced the 570S, which will go against that Lambo because they have a comparable amount of power. You see my point ?
Lionel Dherine
I see your point definitely, and it’s true. Because a lot of people did compare the 458 Italia to the Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera rather than the Gallardo LP560-4, because both had 570hp and 398lb-ft of torque, and also because the 458 Italia was just a much better all round performance car than the Gallardo LP560-4.
The fact that you need a track-focused, special-edition Ferrari to barely beat the McLaren proves that McLaren is way ahead. The Pista also costs $70k more. This win goes to McLaren.
dragonlock12345 well technically the 488 Pista is a platform rival for the 675 LT as the base 488 was a 650s rival. The 720 is a new generation platform so this comparison is more than fair.
TD Immanuel
Exactly. But since he wanted to make the comment, he should go check the laps of the 720S and F8 Tributo at Assen. The Ferrari is so far winning.
And the 720S isn't even track focused. can't wait to see what the LT is going to do
But, with 800 actual hp it still lost.
maarten : not to mention the 488 generation actually competes with 650s and 675LT. 720s can get an LT it’ll just have to beat F8 track version
@@svtrader doesn't matter because Ferrari is way lighter. Mclaren murders pista in acceleration
@@eventusvantos2770 because, as I said, it has more power.
svtrader
Better power to weight ratio. Just to correct and make the point that it’s not just power. But you are right. And the Pista has more downforce too.
But just had to make that point because the Aventador LP770-4 Superveloce Jota has more power than the 911 GT2 RS (991.2) and 488 Pista, and will still get beat by both.
We already know that Pista is fast. My question is, what tires were used on the vehicles? If you don't have the Trofeo R in the 720s, this is a great lap time. Because Pista has a Cup 2 R.
How do you know about the Cup2 R? Isn't it just a Cup 2?
The Standard pista is on cup2 which are maybe 2 tenth quicker then the corsas/ for comparison the gt2rs uses the same tyres like the pista
@@waltertroger8232 michelin has description on the web.Special tire for Pista , cup 2 R
Phenomenal video! Many thanks!!
Thanks for watching Tim!
I don't usually like red ferraris, I'm always for blue/yellow, but the pista looks awesome in this orange-ish red with bronze wheels and that stripe..
It's insane that a standard 720S can compete against a track focust, more expensive car. INSANE
Mr Hamilton @ the 720s competes with the f8 not the pista
It's hilarious that people are so mad that ferrari 488 pista is fast and find excuses for the 720s which was the best McLaren in their mind and they can't accept it. tHe 720 is not even track focused bla bla come on its a damn supercar with crazy technology and stop pretending comparison wasnt fair
Demshiro San the only reason it wasn’t fair is because of the tires. 720s can be specced with track focused Trofeo Rs. This car was running on street tire corsas. The Trofeo Rs are not even as grippy as the Cup2 Rs. But even if you just went with the optional Trofeo Rs the 720s would be 1-2 seconds faster.
I just want to know 2 things. 1, was the ferrari a press car? 2, were they on comparable tires? Doesn't the Fcar come on R-comps vs the 720's summer tires?
both were SCD members cars on their factory fit tyres.
I wait for this duel for a looooong long time.............
Looks like the 720s would have smashed the Pista lap-time if it had track tyres like the Pista
hassi1975 @ they both have Corsas , watch the other video from motorsport magazine, where the pista had track tyres, wrecked the McLaren with 4 sec😂 only 2s slower then the senna
@@matzepizzaheld8541 In this video the 720s has road tyre's, which has been confirmed further down in the comments thread by SCD. I do love the Pista.
hassi1975 @ yes my mistake I thought the pista was on Corsas sry, it’s on cup2
Matze Pizzaheld way to embarrass yourself
Cup2 tyres are just slightly better and they both are track tyres. Mclaren has a partnership with Pirellivm and it has perfected the cars to fit Pirelli tires, not Michelin. So a Mclaren is not meant to have Michelin tires
Magnificent video. Great fun to watch over and over again!
Pleasure to get to work with such great machines and team on this one!! Such a close call on lap times too!! 👌👌👌
That 720S patterning and colour is unbelievable.
I just love the pista, it has such lovely curves. The front end is beautiful.
Very detailed analysis of the differences 👍
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!
Great video but not fair... Pista has Cup2 semislicks while the 720s has its normal pirelli tire instead of the optional trofeo R semislicks
They are both on their factory road tyres - can't help that Michelin make the better tyre :)
TheSUPERCARDRIVER I know but mclaren has an optional factory tire that is semislick (trofeo R) which is also much better than the cup2
AAlmohannad
The Ferrari wasn’t on its best tires either. It used the Cup 2 and not the Cup 2 R.
j n21t4 cup2R is not a factory option or even size is available for the pista... only gt2rs
Yet they still used the cup 2 r in every test done in Europe
That's one of the ultimate comparison....you cant go wrong with either....
Supervid chaps. However unless the cars are on the same tyres ( were they? ) the results are at best ambiguous. In the real world the time difference is a blink of the eye.
Agreed - real world there is no difference
Of course the pista
I'm really surprised the 720S is that close. I didn't think it was really supposed to put down that fast of lap times. Everything I've heard says it's so much more comfortable and a much better daily driver.
Got my subscription with this epic shootout 👍
Nice video but if you used the best track available tires optioned from the factory on both cars i believe the 720s would be faster! But considering its not the 750lt I'm still impressed what a 9 year old car company has accomplished vs. a 60 year old company!!
Gq a @ the Ferrari wasn’t on it best track available tyres aswell, watch motorsport magazine where it had cup2 r and got only beat by 2 s by the senna
@@matzepizzaheld8541i said factory option. Is the cup 2 R a tire you can option when you order a pista?
Gq a @ yes like the tropheo r are for the 720s
@@matzepizzaheld8541 really? where did get this info because i own a 720s spider and to double check I'm on the McLaren 720s configurator now and you can only option the Perelli P zero and P zero corsa for the 720s. So it sounds like you're LYING??
Gq a @ maybe ask dragtimes if you don’t believe me
488 Pista should be compared with 675 LT
That 720s vinyl is SICK!!
This was a lot of fun to watch
Now we want to see Pista vs 720s in straight line ☝🏻
Dragtimes did it on the autobahn. Close but 720s is a bit faster
@@dandylion1987 dragtimes is a fake channel
@@algebralineare1 no it's definitely a real channel. Has videos on it and everything
Officerd00fy @ yes but I want to see a standing 1/4 mile, should be very close due to the vbox data of the video
Can’t wait until the LT Version of the 720s
488 is much more intense
You lot are forgetting that the pista is track focused and the 720s isn’t wait until the 765lt is out and in production
Given that the 720 is ‘old’ and the pista is new and track focused - maclaren should be happy with that
That's a cool comparison. Now I know which car I will buy when i have the money, the Lambo Huracan.
Am assuming 720S is on P Zero Corsa and Pista on Cup 2?
Yes they were both on their factory fit tyres
@@scd Which means the Pista had approx a one second advantage with superior tyres.
@@almillin3207 Nope, those are the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R
@@tonygomezma On the Pista? Are you sure?
@@almillin3207 No, no, I´ve said that the second advance is with the Sport Cup 2 R
Dang ...Look At That Super 720 Mane ...Great
488 for me
These two and a 992 Turbo S would be a great video
Piiiistaaa😍😍😍😍😍😍
The 720S should be compared with the regular 488... The Pista is the hardcore version of the Ferrari, wait for the 750 LT and then we will see a fair comparison
458 vs mp14... 650 s vs 488 .. pista vs 675 lt ... 720 s vs f8tributo
Forza Ferrari !
Truly speaking, the 750LT of whatever that's about to come from the Mclaren Stable is the true competitor to the 488 Pista. But how Ferrari have got rid of that turbo lag is the 8th wonder of the ICE world.
I bet the Pista is on sticker rubber than the 720S and thus the difference in lap time.
B Li @ both have corsas from factory, just accept the pista is faster
@@matzepizzaheld8541 becuz it's cost more and it is the track version of normal 488
Proper comparison will be 720s vs 488gtb.............
Which 720s wins drag or track
Correct the Pista is on bespoke Cup2's while the 720S is on Corsa's. Put them on the same tyres and there'd be nothing in it...
@@MonicaHolly143 the 488 was a competitor for the 650s... The 458 speciale for the mp412c...
Get the facts straight!
@@icydelight3693 lol compare them by their price hahaha
Why are u so scared of 720s???? Becuz it can beat Ferraris while only being a 300k car???
Would like to know what kind of tires on both cars. Also the Ferrari is actually named Pista so...but well done by Oliver and enjoyed his explanation of lap
I call bs the 720’s needed the track tires like the 488.
shh let the ferrari fans be happy lol
Was it offered like that? No so that solves that
Totenblok @ McLaren fans mad ?
We don't know the tires of the Mc, it could have trofeo R just like the Senna and the Ferrari could have simple cup2 tyres... So stop making assumptions
Except you can see that the 720s is on corsas. Cup2Rs are way stickier than even the Trofeo Rs. Put both cars on the same tires and the 720s would win. Love both cars but the truth is the truth.
I figured the Pista had the advantage with the shorter gear ratios, both are truly badass.
If the Pista didn't win I would've been shocked. The 720s is a GT lol
I just noticed the 720s transmission is set to sport mode and not track mode?? Isn't that a clear disadvantage if the Pista is in race mode??
LT will smash the tributo... if McLaren ever make one.. or is that the senna?
It isn’t the Senna but I think the Senna is why they haven’t made one yet. There still making the final Senna’s and 600LT but the people who are buying a LT version of the 720s will probably already have a deposit paid. I would expect it to release next year
Given that the 720S still putting out comparable numbers with those new track focused cars it makes Mclaren a bit afraid that the LT version will beat or perform at par with their own Senna. Maybe thats the reason they are still holding back so that their Senna customers can show off for a year or two more.
The forthcoming ZR1 mid-engine Corvette is going to make things very interesting! It won’t replace a Ferrari, but it might beat it on the track