Yeah but the engine in the McLaren designed around an old Nissan engine McLaren bought the blueprints to. They then gave those blueprints to Ricardo to refine the engine for the McLaren. Nothing F1 about the mechanicals in the McLaren. That’s where Ferrari is still a better bespoke car. You are getting F1 tech and mechanicals from F1 and Race cars!
Beard Mechanix firstly that engine is not just a Nissan engine it’s from a bloody Le Mans race car! Also, besides of the bore of the original engine McLaren and Ricardo redeveloped the whole thing so calling it a Nissan engine is simply not right. Also, which team was it that for example introduced a carbon fibre tub in their F1 race car for the first time in 1981 which set the standard for any F1 car to follow ever since and is using this tech in every road car they are producing? Let me tell you it’s not Ferrari so would probably reconsider your point about transfer of F1 tech into road cars here. Don’t get me wrong I love Ferrari but you gotta acknowledge what McLaren has achieved in just 10 years of building road cars
75KoDe I’m talking engine mechanicals not carbon fibre tubs. Redesigned the whole thing? Not really. The engine has bore and port work and some modern day twin scroll turbos but other than that, it’s still a Nissan engine. The engine is built for purpose. It’s built to make you go fast where as in the Ferrari, it showcases what real F1 components can do for a road car. The engine becomes apart of the driving experience. It’s a masterpiece of an engine. This coming from a 720S owner and McLaren fan boy! McLaren may have the carbon tub but the overall build quality is atrocious.
I do agree with you, especially the 458 Speciale. Clarkson and Hammond may mocked May when they talked about the 488 during the news section from an episode of either S20 or S21 of Top Gear, but personally speaking, I'd rather have the 458 instead of the 488. The 488 may be faster, but the turbo is a big turn off for me. And before you mention F40, let's just be clear that there is no predecessor to F40 as far as I know.
the 720s is the best looking car McLaren has made yet. In that blue, with those wheels, it just looks perfect. No aero kits, no giant wing, no excess vents and scoops. Just a sculpted and beautiful body. Also the headlights look much better than the usual ones they make
100% In that final shot overlooking the valley: they both look amazing but the Mclaren (as you say) out-exotics the Ferrari... The Huracan which I also adore matches it but in a different fashion. Space ship vs Wedgeblade?
The pista is beautiful and an amazing car without a doubt. Supposedly created for the track and good at it too. Still, I would pick the 720s. The 720s is the best supercar in the world at the moment and it's just barely behind hypercars, that says it all. And it's also a beautiful car.
@@Chris-nn2fx It is a machine and all machines break no matter what brand. You know how many 720s are there running around perfectly? More than the ones you see in TH-cam breaking down, way more. People always criticize of what others say, specially if coming from TH-cam or social media. Only because you see TH-camrs financing these cars (any brand not just McLaren) and many of them misusing them to the point that they break, doesn't mean the car is bad. There are many rich people that have these cars and they don't break. What would you think would happen to a "reliable" car let's say a Toyota Corolla. Or whatever car you think its reliable. What would you think would happen if you stepped on the gas all the time and accelerate it all the time and track it all the time and many other things...? It would break obviously, something would give in. The fact that supercars are somewhat made for track performance doesn't mean you're going to kill the car doing so. And even some do it and they are reliable still. Ferrari's break, Lamborghini's break, Porsche's break, Mercedes break, BMW's break, Koenigsegg's break (why do you think owners don't risk their cars on certain tests with their koenigsegg, because they're afraid of them braking), Bugattis break... They all break man, sorry but that's how it is.
Its the best supercar FOR YOU, it's subjective, depends on your idea of supercar... for example I prefer more elegant and practical supercar Gt, like 812 superfast or Aston Martin Dbs superleggera
Great video guys, & I'm so glad you didn't choose the heavily overused stereotype of fake reviewer rivalry - good to see the honest discussion of the merits of each at the end.
I like Matt's style, down-to-business and straight talk. I don't need to hear someone acting like a clown and "woo-hooing" every 5 seconds. He's the thinking man's car reviewer.
What a really wonderfully executed car comparison between two benchmarks of the modern era. There are so many car reviews now where at the end I feel like I have no idea how the car actually drives, but you both nailed it. Well done, more of this!
I think more important is the feel and engagement it provides the driver. It still may lean Pista, but likely that is dependent on driver preference and perception of enjoyment.
Yeah I think McLaren might have boxed themselves into a corner with how fast the 720 is... Add dedicated track kit to it, and it's (the 750LT?) going to be VERY close to the Senna...
Objectively speaking the Mac would have to be the better car on the road. But this is a bit of a mismatch - that being said all of us have been comparing these two anyway so 🤷🏾♂️
It is why I always find these comparison videos pointless. The premise of the film was what is the better road car. Through out their comparison they complain about how bad the Ferrari is on the road (probably because is was designed for the track gents) and how good the McLaren is on the road (again because it was designed for the road) Then summing up their final thoughts, because the McLaren is compromised on the track ((wait wtf! I thought this video is about the road ok then change the premise of the film lads I’ll stick it out) again because the McLaren was designed for the road) where the Ferrari isn’t compromised on the track (😤because it has been designed for a track) and the presenters prefer the track like feel to the chassis of the Ferrari (🤬that’s because it was designed as a track car and the McLaren is a road car so they didn’t need to design it in) the Ferrari wins. 😡🧠💥 So if it is the track like quality that you find the most appealing thing in a car then the Ferrari that was designed for the track was always going to win wasn’t it. But wait the Ferrari had fancy seatbelts that made feel special 🤣 what a pillock
If I had it (the Ferrari), it would drop at least 1/2 in value, because I’d drive the bejesus out of it, rebuild the engine, then drive it into the ground again...I’d never get this car with the thought of reselling it.
@@ibrahimsher7868 there are none luckily, the whole route takes around 2 hours and it's ace. It's a good idea to use a speed camera app though, on the short 10 minute links between the three roads there are one or two cameras. I think the link to the road is in the description of one of my reviews 👍
Great review but slightly misleading in so far as the Pista is the sporty version of the 488 and the 720 is just the "standard" version. Should have at least made a reference to that.
I agree and I would also say that they are comparing the wrong model, it should be the 675LT which was why this came out. They are comparing a GT against a track originated car 🤷🏻♂️
Then what are they supposed to do? Make no video until somewhen the LT version comes out? Compare it to the old 675lt? Lmao mclaren would never give them a 675lt for that and the whole test would be irrelevant. The 720s is anyways so capable that it will probably be just as quick on track and still have the benefit of more everyday comfort. Of course it doesn’t feel as special as a track version
Why would it be irrelevant? Is it because it took 3 years to better the 675? You are missing the point like Autocar no one has pointed out how great the Pista maybe it still took Ferrari 3 years to better it. We all know the 720s was Mclaren’s original GT car for every day use with super car qualities. They should be comparing to the 675Lt to show us how far the 488 has come since the introduction of the 675lt. Let’s compare apples with apples
coachp4rker yeah I get that, but that’s not how car journalism works. They always compare the newest versions because they, and the manufacturers of course, see these tests as consumer buying advise and advertisement. Even if in the supercar segment 3% of the viewers are maybe actually considering getting either of these cars.
No matter how much faster and better the 720 is. The Pista just makes its driver feel like they are in something special. And the the way the driver feels is what matters
I hear a lot of good things about the "trick suspension", but it cannot possibly be anywhere near the creature comfort an S-Class or the likes offer, just seeing it bounce around on these roads while you were just cruising along, there certainly is a ton of other cars that have better comfort... Also: It is the "Pista", 4 point harness and radio delete are sort of mandatory, no?
McLaren as said by you was better in nearly every comparison?? I'm confused.. I think Ferrari has had its day McLaren is on point with all their cars now
Scott Granger No bias, because the 911 GT3 RS (991.2) and 600LT are quite a bit lighter. Either way, the 488 Pista still set a quicker lap time than the 911 GT2 RS (991.2) and 720S that had already lapped the track.
Get in Lane 54 " Ferrari had it's day and mclaren is on point now" ??? Lol, Ferrari sells much more and still grow up faster than McLaren, even if its a bigger company than Mclare ... and if you compare model vs model, the normal 488 gtb sold literally triple than 720, in 2018, so Ferrari is still the king of Supercar market...
Honestly, for road use, anything over about 400 hp will always be mostly annoying. You can never put your foot down (unless you live near an Autobahn), you end up spinning tires when you don't intend to, but you will still pay disproportionaly - in every single way - for power you can't use. I really wished McLaren and Ferrari would consider making cars that are a bit slower - but with much more soul. Screw turbocharged V8s (these belong solely in AMGs imho, where they actually fit quite nicely) and give it a high-revving naturally aspirated V6, F6, I6 or I5 - maybe a V10 for power-obsessed perverts -, and then add carbon fiber lightness. Alfa and Porsche have come close to this recipe with the 4C and Boxster/Cayman, but there is still room out there to built the perfect modern sports car.
I hear you. The Lotus Evora 400/GT 410 almost fits your basic description - 400 or so HP, light, excellent and entertaining handling even at non-ballistic speeds. It just needs to be finessed that little bit more inside and out and it'd be close.
Yeah... but then it doesn't really compete against the Pista. The 488 and the 650s entered production around the same time. McLaren just unveiled the 675LT quite early in the 650's life. Ferrari took longer to develop the Pista (as Lamborghini did with the Performante). But, at the end of the day, the Pista and Performante compete against the 675LT. The only reason that the 720 happens to be relevant is because the 488 successor (and 720 competitor) hasn't entered production yet.
Mr Mallkmus actually the 488 GTB was released and competed with the 650S. Mclaren dropped the 675LT so fast then dropped a new generation . The F8 tributo is the direct competitor to the 720S. So whatever LT brings to the table it will have to deal with the F8 Tributo special edition.
12.52 When these guys mention those humbler cars as waypoints you know that the Ferrari has something the McLaren has not when it comes to immersive driver involvement and playful engagement which is not easy in 700bhp supercars. Time and time again the open diff on the Mc seems to compromise the driver involvement/confidence in the car. Saying that, the 720 is styled like a starship from another galaxy, it's a visual showstopper . Thanks for the upload, pure escapism for me and my budget.😆
So when are you Euro's going to test the C8? Waiting for the Z06 and then perhaps the ZR1? Now there's going to be two models to support the easy going, arguable power, especially at a 100 and below of the maiden ship C8. It's already proven itself 0-60 and even 0-100.Would it keep up with these supercars? I doubt it very much, BUT, until you folks on the other side of the pond critique it as fairly as you all treated this comparison, I would trust your input but will wait for that to happen...
Gabe Moser F1 steering wheels are attached to a way quicker steering rack and don’t have to turn hand over hand. Paddles on the column will always be better.
@@jamescavalleri3282no its not peddles attached to steering wheel are better and safer option, when u r in mid long fast corner you dont want to remove hand from steering wheel to shift. Both cars have very direct steering, when u r in garage, traffic etc use auto gearbox.
Matt D there isn't a direct comparison, but both cars have been tested on the same track ( magny corsa ) and the pista was a few seconds ahead. Makes sense when they've very similar in power but the pista has better aero and electronics
@@14KShadow Vairano, Magny Cours, Anglesey Coastal, Anneau De Ring (or something like that), Corvette National Museum Track... Just check the comparisons on fastestlaps, Ferrari has actually been faster than the Mc in every track
@@silviubahnovei 12c's go for 108k and up. Not 90k but yeah depreciation hits hard due to McLaren constantly innovating in order to expand their brand.
Lol theres about 40k between the two models of similar age and mileage, not anywhere near 60-110k. Its better to not make up BS to make a point! Also the 12c was mclarens first real attempt and things have moved on a long way! Sure the ferrari badge still demands that bit extra on resale but the car definitely doesnt
GazRwood the car doesn’t? Really? At least be objective the limited edition F cars have consistent been outstanding cars holding their value by merit going back 4 generations now. McLaren don’t have the brand lustre (yet), reliability and their cars are consistently accused of lacking emotion and too clinical despite being technically the most advanced in their class. Don’t let your hate for Ferrari make you look like a fool they have been making imperious cars for 70 years
@@milanista966 hahaahaha i say that all the time non stop and anyone dont listen! 720s have more than 710 horses, actualy it have almost 800 on the crank!(dyno tests) over 750 on the wheels! That is a hypercar numbers! Sorry for bad english. And then that 790bhp hypercar drag vs little 602 horses Huracane😂 haha cool stuf
Hey guys. Great video but could you possibly tell us on each video where you film these wonderful scenes. Would be great to have for a holiday drive-trip list!
This was filmed in south Wales, on a string of roads I like to call the 'Ponty Triangle' - I film all my reviews there too, I think the link to the location is in the description of one of my videos 👍
@@pherron7471 yeah why not. I mean instead of having to look carefully for road sign board clues and etc. Also, thankfully this team isnt top gear! People wont just flock to these roads.
Man - I'd take the much better looking Pista any day, plus you would avoid the potential nightmare of reliability and depreciation that McLaren owners face.
These are my best two cars... They have pretty much the Same performance... The mclaren has the edge on straight line speed and the ferrari has it on track
The ferrari has only used the R compound mpsc2 in track tests which makes comparisons pointless! As people will not be using that tyre on the road! As with the gt2 rs everytime its faced the 720s without the r compound its lost on track! Several tests done by german mags. The pista would be no different!
@@WeirdBrick "Ferrari has only used the R compound" that is false, Ferrari has used regular Cup 2 tires also (However, GT2 RS has used the Cup 2 R way more excessively). Lap times where 488 Pista used regular Cup 2: 488 Pista 720S GT2 RS NCM Motorsport Park 1:27.39 1:29.92 1:24.22 (Cup 2 R) Anglesey Coastal 1:11.40 1:11.50 1:12.01 Anneau du Rhin Short 0:56.93 0:58.60 - Also laptimes where 488 Pista used Cup 2 R and 720S used Trofeo R tires (both using R compound tires): 488 Pista 720S Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours GP 1:44.90 1:47.05 Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:16.06 1:16.80
The 720s spider version blows the pista spider away! 1 piece folding hard top that opens or closes in 11 secs and up to 31 mph. Self tinting glass roof. Glass buttresses = better visibility. And a carbon fiber monocoque frame so no lose in rigidity like an aluminum frame.
Heh... Lamborghini? I mean it is pretty obvious that Lamborghini is making way prettier car in the last 10 years. Ferrari really needs to step up their game. But the Pista is really good adition, though. But the Tributo is pretty ugly...
No it’s not obvious that Lamborghini are making nicer cars, I said I prefer Ferrari so to me there nicer, Lamborghini are too in your face for me , the Ferrari le ferrari is a masterpiece
Lol the McLaren weighs less, has a better interior, better steering, is probably faster, and most importantly has a far superior ride comfort while simultaneously having a near-equivalently flat and balanced handling character. I like them both, but for the price disparity, the 720s is the overall best car to come along in 20+ years, and there's a lot to be said for that.
WRT the turn signals being located on the Ferrari steering wheel, in general, it's best to signal before you turn the wheel, not after. So there should not be an issue with the switches being on the wrong side when the wheel is turned.
honestly, why are we even picking between these 2 cars? You should be getting both. Keep the Pista in the garage/home on display and only drive on special occasions. Mileage will hurt the value, but if you can keep that low, the car will literally pay for itself AND for the 720s. Take the 720s, drive it daily, track it. It's hypercar fast, more comfortable than many family cars.
Yes, access to various settings might be more difficult in the McLaren, but familiarity would solve that problem where it's always going to confuse one-off road testers. Delighted no-one mentioned cupholders.
For your first super car,the pista has it all,looks,performance and that badge However Buy a lightly used 720s and you have the Ferrari covered by most performance measures ,while (colour dependant) almost going under the radar. I guess it depends " how bright one would like their suit sir".
UK media are not shy about showering Ferrari with praise. It has even been suggested that they know they must to avoid the big F blacklist (see Chris Harris a few years back). Of the big UK automotive TH-camrs one is a clear Ferrari fan and another has Lambo as his stated preference. I think part of the meme was just general butthurt from the competition but even given that, would you complain about Italian media preferring F/L over McL? Maybe we should all defer to the Dutch. Kind regards.
@autocar You have to put the 720S in track/track to turn ESC off. I believe this is ensuring that the car is most responsive when ESC is off which is what you need.
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Italy, England. Ferrari, McLaren. Two different visions, two amazing supercars. 🇮🇹🇬🇧 .
MEOVEX F1 experience and heritage >>>> other brands
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Yeah but the engine in the McLaren designed around an old Nissan engine McLaren bought the blueprints to. They then gave those blueprints to Ricardo to refine the engine for the McLaren. Nothing F1 about the mechanicals in the McLaren. That’s where Ferrari is still a better bespoke car. You are getting F1 tech and mechanicals from F1 and Race cars!
Beard Mechanix firstly that engine is not just a Nissan engine it’s from a bloody Le Mans race car! Also, besides of the bore of the original engine McLaren and Ricardo redeveloped the whole thing so calling it a Nissan engine is simply not right. Also, which team was it that for example introduced a carbon fibre tub in their F1 race car for the first time in 1981 which set the standard for any F1 car to follow ever since and is using this tech in every road car they are producing? Let me tell you it’s not Ferrari so would probably reconsider your point about transfer of F1 tech into road cars here. Don’t get me wrong I love Ferrari but you gotta acknowledge what McLaren has achieved in just 10 years of building road cars
75KoDe I’m talking engine mechanicals not carbon fibre tubs. Redesigned the whole thing? Not really. The engine has bore and port work and some modern day twin scroll turbos but other than that, it’s still a Nissan engine. The engine is built for purpose. It’s built to make you go fast where as in the Ferrari, it showcases what real F1 components can do for a road car. The engine becomes apart of the driving experience. It’s a masterpiece of an engine. This coming from a 720S owner and McLaren fan boy! McLaren may have the carbon tub but the overall build quality is atrocious.
Coming from a non-ferrari fanboy: You've got to admit, there's just something great about a special edition Ferrari
Agreed. It's also crazy to see how a little bit of added kit can make it look so much better than the standard gtb
I do agree with you, especially the 458 Speciale. Clarkson and Hammond may mocked May when they talked about the 488 during the news section from an episode of either S20 or S21 of Top Gear, but personally speaking, I'd rather have the 458 instead of the 488. The 488 may be faster, but the turbo is a big turn off for me. And before you mention F40, let's just be clear that there is no predecessor to F40 as far as I know.
The Speciale in particular is quite something. That N/A V8 sounds so epic!
@@FAT8893 288 GTO is the predecessor of the F40 and the 250 GTO is the predecessor of the 288 GTO.
Sean Quinn u mean literally adding Ferrari 488 challenge race car parts in to pista engine. It isn’t just body kit
Supercars are so refined these days, unless you actually track them hard, the only key difference is the brand/heritage that comes with it
The Racing Monkey probably a driver with normal skills like us, can not tell the difference between the two cars, even in track
I did not expect to see you here
the 720s is the best looking car McLaren has made yet. In that blue, with those wheels, it just looks perfect. No aero kits, no giant wing, no excess vents and scoops. Just a sculpted and beautiful body. Also the headlights look much better than the usual ones they make
So we acting like the P1 doesn't exist?
“Best looking under 1 million”
Zir S
I think the 675LT and P1 look the best.
P1 is their 2nd best looking car imo. I like the muscular look of it.
James Crain
Certain angles I prefer the P1, certain angles I prefer the LaFerrari.
making up new words is always a bit of a dilemina
Cheeky ref to the church of Wittertainment?
Hahaha which words?
Sean Quinn "Dilemina"
Paddy Downey 😆
And hearing them can be disorientating
Would happily take the 488 pista
Love the 720,but have to agree,much more engaging and emotion
720 front is ugly
@Rich 91 to me its not
As awesome as the 720S may be, how can you say no to that beautiful Ferrari?
@@petemorbius3936 Agreed. It's as if the designers forgot all about it.
The Pista is actually the most perfect design I've ever seen
720S: Holy god its awesome!
488 Pista: OH mommy YASSSSS
Just how gorgeous does that 720 look in that spec 😳😍
I love that the McLaren looks like a spaceship or some type of UFO compared to other exotics.
100%
In that final shot overlooking the valley: they both look amazing but the Mclaren (as you say) out-exotics the Ferrari... The Huracan which I also adore matches it but in a different fashion.
Space ship vs Wedgeblade?
looks generic
@@TheMrMerudin its like the least generic supercar. Its unconventional and that's why some don't like its look
Ferrari for me please!
Without question I'll take the Ferrari as well.
Mclaren all day every day
I really like it but the price proposition of the McLaren is unbeatable.
Pista
You Taking the Pista ...
colintraveller of course my friend its a Ferrari gorgeous sound and gorgeous exterior fast enjoyable the best
@@turbos7780 pistachios hahahaha
I ll take Almond or Cashews
Salman Patel wtf
The pista is beautiful and an amazing car without a doubt. Supposedly created for the track and good at it too.
Still, I would pick the 720s. The 720s is the best supercar in the world at the moment and it's just barely behind hypercars, that says it all. And it's also a beautiful car.
FACTS
720s breaks down every week. 720s is far from the best supercar
@@Chris-nn2fx It is a machine and all machines break no matter what brand. You know how many 720s are there running around perfectly? More than the ones you see in TH-cam breaking down, way more.
People always criticize of what others say, specially if coming from TH-cam or social media. Only because you see TH-camrs financing these cars (any brand not just McLaren) and many of them misusing them to the point that they break, doesn't mean the car is bad. There are many rich people that have these cars and they don't break.
What would you think would happen to a "reliable" car let's say a Toyota Corolla. Or whatever car you think its reliable. What would you think would happen if you stepped on the gas all the time and accelerate it all the time and track it all the time and many other things...? It would break obviously, something would give in.
The fact that supercars are somewhat made for track performance doesn't mean you're going to kill the car doing so. And even some do it and they are reliable still.
Ferrari's break, Lamborghini's break, Porsche's break, Mercedes break, BMW's break, Koenigsegg's break (why do you think owners don't risk their cars on certain tests with their koenigsegg, because they're afraid of them braking), Bugattis break...
They all break man, sorry but that's how it is.
Its the best supercar FOR YOU, it's subjective, depends on your idea of supercar... for example I prefer more elegant and practical supercar Gt, like 812 superfast or Aston Martin Dbs superleggera
@@stefanor6579 Yes, FOR ME!
(Duh)
Both of you deserve a speeding ticket. Great job and awesome cars.
MCLAREN AWESOME
Great video guys, & I'm so glad you didn't choose the heavily overused stereotype of fake reviewer rivalry - good to see the honest discussion of the merits of each at the end.
I like Matt's style, down-to-business and straight talk. I don't need to hear someone acting like a clown and "woo-hooing" every 5 seconds. He's the thinking man's car reviewer.
What a really wonderfully executed car comparison between two benchmarks of the modern era. There are so many car reviews now where at the end I feel like I have no idea how the car actually drives, but you both nailed it. Well done, more of this!
But that’s the standard version of the 720 so not directly comparable. The LT is going to be an animal!
720s is so beautiful ❤️
Yes its damm true 😁😁😁
The Pista is nice, but the 720S is the best looking sub $1 million car thus far in the history of cars.
And powerful
@Lambullshitini lol you mad someone likes a car you don't keep your dumb ass opinions to yourself
That harness in the Ferrari looks absolutely ridiculous.
@Coza King It's yellow, and it looks weird having the shoulder straps not meet in the middle.
Well, don't buy one then, continue to drive your 12 year old Mondeo in protest.
Mark Mark 11 year old Mondeo*
It's track car
If ur going 300kph with those normal straps ur brain would be crushed
The Ferrari 488 Pista has been faster on all the circuits tested so far, I do not know in the street comparison. But for is Pista easy!
I think more important is the feel and engagement it provides the driver. It still may lean Pista, but likely that is dependent on driver preference and perception of enjoyment.
Thats not actually true
Can't wait for the Mclaren's LT version of the 720s
I am kinda irritated that it's taking so long. Cars almost 3 years old and they haven't even started testing yet from what I have seen.
Senna
@@oscardominguez1680 The Senna is too extreme but I see what you mean.
Yeah I think McLaren might have boxed themselves into a corner with how fast the 720 is... Add dedicated track kit to it, and it's (the 750LT?) going to be VERY close to the Senna...
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 720 came out in March 2017
The latest generation of cars has to be my favourite yet. Pista, 720s and the gt2rs have to be the ultimate trio of road going super cars.
I believe you have to turn the power train control to track mode before turning the esc off in the Mclaren
kiddo need to change the handling to sport then press ESC
McLaren Is An Absolute Masterpiece
Objectively speaking the Mac would have to be the better car on the road. But this is a bit of a mismatch - that being said all of us have been comparing these two anyway so 🤷🏾♂️
It is why I always find these comparison videos pointless.
The premise of the film was what is the better road car.
Through out their comparison they complain about how bad the Ferrari is on the road (probably because is was designed for the track gents) and how good the McLaren is on the road (again because it was designed for the road)
Then summing up their final thoughts, because the McLaren is compromised on the track ((wait wtf! I thought this video is about the road ok then change the premise of the film lads I’ll stick it out) again because the McLaren was designed for the road) where the Ferrari isn’t compromised on the track (😤because it has been designed for a track) and the presenters prefer the track like feel to the chassis of the Ferrari (🤬that’s because it was designed as a track car and the McLaren is a road car so they didn’t need to design it in) the Ferrari wins. 😡🧠💥
So if it is the track like quality that you find the most appealing thing in a car then the Ferrari that was designed for the track was always going to win wasn’t it.
But wait the Ferrari had fancy seatbelts that made feel special 🤣 what a pillock
Mini Mead3 Well said 👏🏾 ..... or “Written” Rather 👏🏾👏🏾
Pista, like 458, from 2010. 720S, amazing modern and power full spirit.....
Prefer the Mac but Ferrari will be depreciation proof.
joe fattal actually the dilemma is Ferrari F8 vs 720s
If I had it (the Ferrari), it would drop at least 1/2 in value, because I’d drive the bejesus out of it, rebuild the engine, then drive it into the ground again...I’d never get this car with the thought of reselling it.
The lowish angle from across the dash really highlights how much glass the McLaren has. The amount of light coming into the cabin is incredible
Interesting comparison. This was filmed on the 'Ponty Triangle', where I filmed my review of my 1972 Alfa Giulia - cracking bit of road!
Are there any speed cameras on that road ?
@@ibrahimsher7868 there are none luckily, the whole route takes around 2 hours and it's ace. It's a good idea to use a speed camera app though, on the short 10 minute links between the three roads there are one or two cameras. I think the link to the road is in the description of one of my reviews 👍
@@AshrafonCars good reply
Great review but slightly misleading in so far as the Pista is the sporty version of the 488 and the 720 is just the "standard" version. Should have at least made a reference to that.
Doesn't really matter, the F8 Tributo is 95% of the 488 Pista.
I agree and I would also say that they are comparing the wrong model, it should be the 675LT which was why this came out. They are comparing a GT against a track originated car 🤷🏻♂️
Then what are they supposed to do? Make no video until somewhen the LT version comes out? Compare it to the old 675lt? Lmao mclaren would never give them a 675lt for that and the whole test would be irrelevant. The 720s is anyways so capable that it will probably be just as quick on track and still have the benefit of more everyday comfort. Of course it doesn’t feel as special as a track version
Why would it be irrelevant? Is it because it took 3 years to better the 675? You are missing the point like Autocar no one has pointed out how great the Pista maybe it still took Ferrari 3 years to better it. We all know the 720s was Mclaren’s original GT car for every day use with super car qualities. They should be comparing to the 675Lt to show us how far the 488 has come since the introduction of the 675lt. Let’s compare apples with apples
coachp4rker yeah I get that, but that’s not how car journalism works. They always compare the newest versions because they, and the manufacturers of course, see these tests as consumer buying advise and advertisement. Even if in the supercar segment 3% of the viewers are maybe actually considering getting either of these cars.
Do a drag race and track battle video please!!
Andrew Lewis, yes I’m telling you 720s is the obvious winner
Eeeeerrr ... Ferrari does not like to engage in such activities .
Benjamin don’t be a stupid Ferrari fanboy we’re talking here just about numbers and considering that fact 720s is the winner
David Ivan pista is faster around any track it’s been proved
@@davidivan4108 Lmao on a track the Pista completely whipes the floor with the McLaren.
No matter how much faster and better the 720 is. The Pista just makes its driver feel like they are in something special. And the the way the driver feels is what matters
luckily its not faster or better, Pista is better in all aspects
..and unlike the Mclaren, the Ferrari won't break down every other day. That is a huge bonus.
I'll show you the remains of well maintained 458 engine... fragile as hell
I hear a lot of good things about the "trick suspension", but it cannot possibly be anywhere near the creature comfort an S-Class or the likes offer, just seeing it bounce around on these roads while you were just cruising along, there certainly is a ton of other cars that have better comfort...
Also: It is the "Pista", 4 point harness and radio delete are sort of mandatory, no?
Agreed. From experience, the reviewer definitely missed the mark with this comment.
McLaren as said by you was better in nearly every comparison?? I'm confused.. I think Ferrari has had its day McLaren is on point with all their cars now
@@swg_fpv good point
Scott Granger
No bias, because the 911 GT3 RS (991.2) and 600LT are quite a bit lighter. Either way, the 488 Pista still set a quicker lap time than the 911 GT2 RS (991.2) and 720S that had already lapped the track.
@@projectr2451 the 720s is a road car not a track car.. the senna will smash any Ferrari
Scott Granger
The 488 GTB competes with the 650S. So the 488 Pista is definitely not a competitor to the track version of the 720S.
Get in Lane 54 " Ferrari had it's day and mclaren is on point now" ??? Lol, Ferrari sells much more and still grow up faster than McLaren, even if its a bigger company than Mclare ... and if you compare model vs model, the normal 488 gtb sold literally triple than 720, in 2018, so Ferrari is still the king of Supercar market...
Mclaren wins hands down, the Pista is great but its really just an updated 458 which means its basic architecture is nearly a decade old.
MrTimeless101 it has a new engine as well as a new chassis.
Ehm Mclaren use the same Ricardo engine from the 12c, and same chassis just modified...
Mclaren 12c has m38T engine whereas the 720s has a m840t engine.
Honestly, for road use, anything over about 400 hp will always be mostly annoying. You can never put your foot down (unless you live near an Autobahn), you end up spinning tires when you don't intend to, but you will still pay disproportionaly - in every single way - for power you can't use.
I really wished McLaren and Ferrari would consider making cars that are a bit slower - but with much more soul. Screw turbocharged V8s (these belong solely in AMGs imho, where they actually fit quite nicely) and give it a high-revving naturally aspirated V6, F6, I6 or I5 - maybe a V10 for power-obsessed perverts -, and then add carbon fiber lightness. Alfa and Porsche have come close to this recipe with the 4C and Boxster/Cayman, but there is still room out there to built the perfect modern sports car.
Bingo.
or just n/a v8s, v10s and v12
Interesting point, they’d probably never do it though. Not enough money to be made and exclusivity goes out the window.
I hear you. The Lotus Evora 400/GT 410 almost fits your basic description - 400 or so HP, light, excellent and entertaining handling even at non-ballistic speeds. It just needs to be finessed that little bit more inside and out and it'd be close.
A mid engine small car with an NA V6 would be spectacular
@12:30 brings up a good point regarding the McLaren that most will never get to feel to understand.
the design of Ferrari Pista is very cool
and I like when the door of Mclaren 720s is open up it's really like supercar
Wait for the 720lt to come out then compare it to the pista? That thing would smash the ferrari!
Yeah... but then it doesn't really compete against the Pista. The 488 and the 650s entered production around the same time. McLaren just unveiled the 675LT quite early in the 650's life. Ferrari took longer to develop the Pista (as Lamborghini did with the Performante). But, at the end of the day, the Pista and Performante compete against the 675LT. The only reason that the 720 happens to be relevant is because the 488 successor (and 720 competitor) hasn't entered production yet.
The Pista is something else...
Absolutely no way Ferrari were gonna let them both lap a track. Shame really
The little fella is the same colour as the seats 😂😂😂😂
LT version is gonna kill it....
By the time the LT version comes out. The pista would be 3 to 4 years old. So there no comparison.
Mr Mallkmus actually the 488 GTB was released and competed with the 650S. Mclaren dropped the 675LT so fast then dropped a new generation . The F8 tributo is the direct competitor to the 720S. So whatever LT brings to the table it will have to deal with the F8 Tributo special edition.
True, the LT isnt far away and Ferrari wont be able too keep up.
@@bigjdm5460 that special edition wont even be a match for the LT..
Nice to see Mauro again. Matty and Mauro is a nice double act.
McClaren
British car
In British weather
On British road
Driven by a British guy with so strong British accent, can't understand some of the words
12.52 When these guys mention those humbler cars as waypoints you know that the Ferrari has something the McLaren has not when it comes to immersive driver involvement and playful engagement which is not easy in 700bhp supercars. Time and time again the open diff on the Mc seems to compromise the driver involvement/confidence in the car. Saying that, the 720 is styled like a starship from another galaxy, it's a visual showstopper . Thanks for the upload, pure escapism for me and my budget.😆
Top marks to Matt and the geezer dressed as a midlife crisis 👍🏻
Lmaoooo I was thinking that too
The LT version of the 720 is going to be mega!
So when are you Euro's going to test the C8? Waiting for the Z06 and then perhaps the ZR1? Now there's going to be two models to support the easy going, arguable power, especially at a 100 and below of the maiden ship C8. It's already proven itself 0-60 and even 0-100.Would it keep up with these supercars? I doubt it very much, BUT, until you folks on the other side of the pond critique it as fairly as you all treated this comparison, I would trust your input but will wait for that to happen...
Always good to see Dean Windass.....
Why do people say that 720s have 710 horses when there are almost 800 on the crankshaft ???
The paddles should be on the steering weal. There is a reason F1 does it that way
Gabe Moser F1 steering wheels are attached to a way quicker steering rack and don’t have to turn hand over hand. Paddles on the column will always be better.
@@jamescavalleri3282no its not peddles attached to steering wheel are better and safer option, when u r in mid long fast corner you dont want to remove hand from steering wheel to shift. Both cars have very direct steering, when u r in garage, traffic etc use auto gearbox.
I wouldn't be surprised the reason why there isn't drag or track comparison is because Ferrari wouldn't allow it
Matt D umm there's already been track comparisons, the pista won
@@russellcoight1718 Share please. I'd like to see
Matt D there isn't a direct comparison, but both cars have been tested on the same track ( magny corsa ) and the pista was a few seconds ahead. Makes sense when they've very similar in power but the pista has better aero and electronics
@@14KShadow Vairano, Magny Cours, Anglesey Coastal, Anneau De Ring (or something like that), Corvette National Museum Track... Just check the comparisons on fastestlaps, Ferrari has actually been faster than the Mc in every track
@@russellcoight1718 Being faster by a few seconds is impressive! Both on similar tyres?
Rosso Corsa Pista AND McLaren Yellow 720S Spider would be perfect 👌🏼
The Pista will be sure to gain in value, the mac, i dont know.
allan kelvin lado
I know ! The Mclaren is worth 100k less once you drive it off the lot for sure ! Horrible !!
“14. 458s second hand 150-200k
“14 12cs -90ish k
That says everything.
@@silviubahnovei 12c's go for 108k and up. Not 90k but yeah depreciation hits hard due to McLaren constantly innovating in order to expand their brand.
Lol theres about 40k between the two models of similar age and mileage, not anywhere near 60-110k. Its better to not make up BS to make a point! Also the 12c was mclarens first real attempt and things have moved on a long way! Sure the ferrari badge still demands that bit extra on resale but the car definitely doesnt
GazRwood the car doesn’t? Really? At least be objective the limited edition F cars have consistent been outstanding cars holding their value by merit going back 4 generations now. McLaren don’t have the brand lustre (yet), reliability and their cars are consistently accused of lacking emotion and too clinical despite being technically the most advanced in their class. Don’t let your hate for Ferrari make you look like a fool they have been making imperious cars for 70 years
Would have liked to see a Huracan Performante in this comparison
knife at a gun fight
McLaren is faster, yes, but Ferrari is passion. I take Ferrari ❤️❤️❤️
it's only faster on a drag.. pista rules the track..
Pista is slower because it has more downforce, that's the consequence of track focus car, more stable but it hurts the high speed.
novra hadi the McLaren is Faster because is way more powerful than anyone imagined 😀
@@milanista966 hahaahaha i say that all the time non stop and anyone dont listen!
720s have more than 710 horses, actualy it have almost 800 on the crank!(dyno tests) over 750 on the wheels!
That is a hypercar numbers!
Sorry for bad english.
And then that 790bhp hypercar drag vs little 602 horses Huracane😂 haha cool stuf
Patty Mills the McLaren have 786hp to the engine and 700 to the wheel while the pista have 721 to the engine and 660 to the wheel 😀
Hey guys. Great video but could you possibly tell us on each video where you film these wonderful scenes. Would be great to have for a holiday drive-trip list!
Yes that would be class. They do go to Wales 🏴 a lot and around Snowden. Some class roads round there.
This was filmed in south Wales, on a string of roads I like to call the 'Ponty Triangle' - I film all my reviews there too, I think the link to the location is in the description of one of my videos 👍
You really want everyone to know?
@@pherron7471 yeah why not. I mean instead of having to look carefully for road sign board clues and etc. Also, thankfully this team isnt top gear! People wont just flock to these roads.
@@mohammadrasoulfard-habibi3066 cheers man. Great giulia by the way!! Building a '76 one at home ourselves!
Man - I'd take the much better looking Pista any day, plus you would avoid the potential nightmare of reliability and depreciation that McLaren owners face.
McLaren only for the truly rich lol
Do they both have retro calculator watches on lol??
12:01 that tyre related discussion i didnt understood. Can someone explain me what they were actually discussing from that moment??
I wonder if the Mclaren not allowing ESC was a case of RTFM or another mclaren electronic gremlin?
This was class. Thanks.
MasyaAllah 😍 semoga nanti bisa punya satu yang seperti inii
These are my best two cars... They have pretty much the Same performance... The mclaren has the edge on straight line speed and the ferrari has it on track
The ferrari has only used the R compound mpsc2 in track tests which makes comparisons pointless! As people will not be using that tyre on the road! As with the gt2 rs everytime its faced the 720s without the r compound its lost on track! Several tests done by german mags. The pista would be no different!
@@WeirdBrick "Ferrari has only used the R compound" that is false, Ferrari has used regular Cup 2 tires also (However, GT2 RS has used the Cup 2 R way more excessively). Lap times where 488 Pista used regular Cup 2:
488 Pista 720S GT2 RS
NCM Motorsport Park 1:27.39 1:29.92 1:24.22 (Cup 2 R)
Anglesey Coastal 1:11.40 1:11.50 1:12.01
Anneau du Rhin Short 0:56.93 0:58.60 -
Also laptimes where 488 Pista used Cup 2 R and 720S used Trofeo R tires (both using R compound tires):
488 Pista 720S
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours GP 1:44.90 1:47.05
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:16.06 1:16.80
Gotta say id still prefer the McLaren
Criminal driving those cars in the rain
Better with you both in the same car, that's when this review got interesting
Can not wait for the LT magic.
The test I always wanted..can you do it again with spider versions please!! if possible
The 720s spider version blows the pista spider away! 1 piece folding hard top that opens or closes in 11 secs and up to 31 mph. Self tinting glass roof. Glass buttresses = better visibility. And a carbon fiber monocoque frame so no lose in rigidity like an aluminum frame.
I want that Ferrari but ill take a 720 s Spyder thanks.
I know Mclaren and Lamborghini and great and fast cars, but nobody makes a more beautiful car than a Ferrari...
Heh... Lamborghini? I mean it is pretty obvious that Lamborghini is making way prettier car in the last 10 years. Ferrari really needs to step up their game. But the Pista is really good adition, though. But the Tributo is pretty ugly...
No it’s not obvious that Lamborghini are making nicer cars, I said I prefer Ferrari so to me there nicer, Lamborghini are too in your face for me , the Ferrari le ferrari is a masterpiece
Lol the McLaren weighs less, has a better interior, better steering, is probably faster, and most importantly has a far superior ride comfort while simultaneously having a near-equivalently flat and balanced handling character. I like them both, but for the price disparity, the 720s is the overall best car to come along in 20+ years, and there's a lot to be said for that.
Well said, why are others so blind...
Did you use the same mic in both cars? Because the 488 seems to be way louder than the 720s
For a second I thought it's Chris Harris😂
WRT the turn signals being located on the Ferrari steering wheel, in general, it's best to signal before you turn the wheel, not after. So there should not be an issue with the switches being on the wrong side when the wheel is turned.
I absolutely love these videos
honestly, why are we even picking between these 2 cars? You should be getting both. Keep the Pista in the garage/home on display and only drive on special occasions. Mileage will hurt the value, but if you can keep that low, the car will literally pay for itself AND for the 720s. Take the 720s, drive it daily, track it. It's hypercar fast, more comfortable than many family cars.
Yes, access to various settings might be more difficult in the McLaren, but familiarity would solve that problem where it's always going to confuse one-off road testers. Delighted no-one mentioned cupholders.
Liking Mauro's vibe, I think he'll be good for this channel
For your first super car,the pista has it all,looks,performance and that badge
However
Buy a lightly used 720s and you have the Ferrari covered by most performance measures ,while (colour dependant) almost going under the radar.
I guess it depends " how bright one would like their suit sir".
its crazy how beautiful the 720s is
The way these cars are heading, we might not be needing jets anymore 😯🤣
i think this video is a tribute to james hunt and niki lauda who ironically raced for mclaren and ferrari respectively🤔
Didn’t Lauda race for both teams?
Is the Pista’s waist harness on him backwards? I can’t see the release and I believe the straps should be facing down.
Lets wait for the McLaren 720s LT
UK production that didn't make the McLaren a winner?
UK media are not shy about showering Ferrari with praise. It has even been suggested that they know they must to avoid the big F blacklist (see Chris Harris a few years back). Of the big UK automotive TH-camrs one is a clear Ferrari fan and another has Lambo as his stated preference. I think part of the meme was just general butthurt from the competition but even given that, would you complain about Italian media preferring F/L over McL? Maybe we should all defer to the Dutch. Kind regards.
Nice dynamic between Matt and Mauro and a good solid real-world video. Cheers all.
The scenery is spectacular btw. Where was this filmed?
It's in south Wales, a string of roads I like to call the 'Ponty Triangle' - I film all my reviews there too 👍
Two fantastic cars but I’d be tempted to get an R8 Performance, save 100K and they wouldn’t see which way it had gone in the wet.....
The r8 4wd system ain’t that good watch Harris vid vs nsx and 911 turbo
Doughnuts I’ve seen that video, The R8 was beautifuly balanced and had the best engine...
Who drives super car speeds in the wet? .... oh that’s it, dumb ass Audi drivers . Good one ☝️
Reviews like this, makes no sense to me? Because you’re winning either way, driving either one 🙌
Damn. That yellow Pista is hot! 🔥
F8 vs McLaren 720s please ~
I think I want both cars!
This feels like Snoop Dogg smoked an ounce of bud and made a car video.
@autocar You have to put the 720S in track/track to turn ESC off. I believe this is ensuring that the car is most responsive when ESC is off which is what you need.
Nice review.both great cars..
9:20 The quality of the aluminum is Chinese Taobao quality